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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on August 22, 2017, 09:49:20 PM
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Nice!
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Another 4 goals,things are looking up and hopefully it has done hogans confidence the world of good as well. UTV
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Brilliant. I am happy with this Steve "actually my teams can play good football" Bruce. I am just not sure where he came from but its welcome!
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I have been locked in my study working and had completely forgotten about this game. Fucking hell!
Do I have to support the tuberous one now?
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I have been locked in my study working and had completely forgotten about this game. Fucking hell!
Do I have to support the tuberous one now?
Fraid so. Here have some of my Crow pie.
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Energy, skill and some great goals, well done lads.
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Well played. Any links to the goals?
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No negativity intended, but what the fuck is our starting eleven. I'm struggling.
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8 - 3 over 2 games, this is more like it!
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Sheffield Wednesday away end of Feb will need to be rearranged.
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Hopefully the first few games were just the kick up the arse we needed. Onwards and upwards.
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Looking forward to the draw.
*sets alarm clock*
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Another enjoyable game at Villa park. What's going on? Some good performances. I'd pick out Doyle-Hayes and Bjarnasson. Great goal from Adomah and set up Hogan with a precision pass for his first. Hogan's second was a bit special too. Good times.
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Right, nobody fuck this up, okay?
cd starts Cup pre-match threads.
Legion's back on League duty*.
Agreed?
*unless someone's got a good enough memory to remember who last started a 4-goal-scoring victorious League away thread, I think we can chance it.
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Where was Samba? Just a thought. Great result that I don't think too many saw when the team was released.
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Tough team selection on Friday. I'd keep the same starting 11 minus Hutton.
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How many were there tonight?
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Big fucking test on Friday now, we've been ok at home under Bruce with just a few goals missing, we seem to have rectified that in the past few days. We have been wretched away from home under him, sort that out and we are in business. Please don't revert to type now that we have a bit of attacking confidence.
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How many were there tonight?
18,108
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This was 2 teams playing a vast majority of bench warmers, young'uns and shitties. I think he won't change a lot for the week apart from De Laet getting another run out and possibly getting the look in over Hutts and chancing Hogan up top with Davis.
I think Adomah, O'Hare etc will find a place on the bench.
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Well played. Any links to the goals?
See my Twitter links on the match thread
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Looking forward to the draw.
*sets alarm clock*
What's the craic with the draw? I'm on nights, so I'm up anyway.
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How many were there tonight?
18,108
Highest attendance of all the cup ties tonight apoarently
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But....but.....we don't care about the cup! Or do we, now?
😉😁
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Highlights here:
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11001083/aston-villa-4-1-wigan
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Can you change your username here, for security reasons as this one makes up my email address?
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Even Ross got on the pitch
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Some great goals there, looks like they enjoyed it. Happy for them - and us!
(* in small font *) well done brucie...
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Not the side I would have put out but it was fairly comfortable. Fair play boys and fair play Bruce.
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As I said at half time, we have spent years watching our squad prima donnas struggle to motivate themselves against lower league opposition. Tonight was an absolute breath of fresh air. All of the kids did themselves proud but for me, Doyle Hayes had a blinder. In centre mid he looked completely at ease. Comfortable on the ball, making the right decisions, and reading the game really well.
I think he only gave the ball away 2 or 3 times until he eventually went off.
Another one with (hopefully) a big future.
Let's hope this new batch of players breaking through speed up the demise of the wastrels like Gabby, Richards, and to a lesser extent, Huttton.
Without getting carried away by a couple of games, the future could be quite bright.
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Well done again Villa.
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Thoroughly enjoyed that. Glad I bothered to go as I had been in two minds. The young lads all did very well and they played with a lot of confidence.
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Impressed by all players this evening.
Hogan, with a bit of luck, could have had half a dozen.
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Looks like we are stuck with Gardner ...if that was a chance to impress in the shop window nobody will be interested ...... afraid I thought he was our worst performer on the night
Credit to all the kids involved and I don't recall Elphick making a mistake .........
Where was Richards tonite?
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Looks like we are stuck with Gardner ...if that was a chance to impress in the shop window nobody will be interested ...... afraid I thought he was our worst performer on the night
Credit to all the kids involved and I don't recall Elphick making a mistake .........
Where was Richards tonite?
There were no poor performers this evening. He linked up very well with the players around him.
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Biggest gate this eve.
Considering there were only around 20 from Wigan that's good going,
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I was shocked to see a scoreline of 3-1 at HT. I'm really hoping we've turned a corner and this new found form sees us really push on. 8 goals (lots of crackers) in two games is the stuff of dreams.
Hopefully they'll stop calling Hogan a dud now. The guy has been making unbelievable runs since he came, if it wasn't for the upright or they played the ball to him quicker he would of scored more.
Adomah is looking pretty tidy as well.
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Thoroughly enjoyable evening at Villa Park - and to be honest much better than I expected when I saw the line up. That's two games on the trot where we seem to have thrown the shackles off and played with more energy and tempo - in no small part due to the involvement of some quality young players coming through. Maybe, just maybe, Bruce has dropped biffball and we can look forward to a more entertaining offering from hereon in this season
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I'm turning down a ticket from Bren'd every time from now on. P2 W2.
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Yeah tescos at home.
It will be classed as a cup shock when we do them in 1 nilage with a full strength team in front of 38k.
Who would care? They would
In the bag for the next round
Stuff em Villa
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Looks like we are stuck with Gardner ...if that was a chance to impress in the shop window nobody will be interested ...... afraid I thought he was our worst performer on the night
Credit to all the kids involved and I don't recall Elphick making a mistake .........
Where was Richards tonite?
[There were no poor performers this evening. He linked up very well with the players around him.
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Sorry he was dismal ....never made a forward run ..... no pace ..... everything was sideways or backwards and thats against Divi One opponents
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Bristol won tonight, Reid scored again, 5 goals already. Whelan will be important Friday.
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Looks like we are stuck with Gardner ...if that was a chance to impress in the shop window nobody will be interested ...... afraid I thought he was our worst performer on the night
Credit to all the kids involved and I don't recall Elphick making a mistake .........
Where was Richards tonite?
Fair play to the kids , but Elphick almost f"cked up trying to take a high ball on his chest and play it out.I remember thinking that would have cost us a goal in a league game.
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Looks like we are stuck with Gardner ...if that was a chance to impress in the shop window nobody will be interested ...... afraid I thought he was our worst performer on the night
Credit to all the kids involved and I don't recall Elphick making a mistake .........
Where was Richards tonite?
[There were no poor performers this evening. He linked up very well with the players around him.
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Sorry he was dismal ....never made a forward run ..... no pace ..... everything was sideways or backwards and thats against Divi One opponents
He wasn't there to make forward runs. You only had to look at how he lined up to fathom that one out!
His play was neat and tidy. Give him credit where it's due.
Then again, I suppose we have to find a scapegoat in every positive performance!!
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Biggest gate this eve.
Considering there were only around 20 from Wigan that's good going,
I doubt anyone else gave 17000+ free entry. I wonder if we counted all ST holders or only those that turned up and if we had to pay Wigan for the ST holders?
Fair play still though to everyone that turned up tonight, Lower Holte looked pretty full.
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Thoroughly enjoyable visit to VP again. Played with intent, played with kids, scored four goals, again! Just need to continue in the same way against aBristol on Friday.
Was it me or did anyone else notice that Scott Hogan didn't "celebrate with the crowd" when he scored ?
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Right, nobody fuck this up, okay?
cd starts Cup pre-match threads.
Legion's back on League duty*.
Agreed?
*unless someone's got a good enough memory to remember who last started a 4-goal-scoring victorious League away thread, I think we can chance it.
It was Dave.
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=53808.0
If anyone else starts the Brizzle City Thread I reserve the right to call them a big pooey smell bum.
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BRUCE IN! Never in doubt, obviously.
Seriously though, he does need a huge turnaround to really convince, but two wins and eight goals scored in four days certainly looks like the beginning of one. Let's hope it is.
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He got 7 straight undefeated matches last season...
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He got 7 straight undefeated matches last season...
*lucky
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Hopefully this is a sign that there is, after all, some coaching going on at Bodymoor Heath and that the scales are finally falling from the dinosaur's eyes.
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Very encouraging and well done Bruce (gritted teeth)
Quite refreshing to see so many of our kids on the pitch tonight. They all did very well with O'Hare ,for me, the best of the bunch. From the seniors I thought De Laet was very good and pleased that Hogan got a couple of goals. That should do him good. I guess Wigan making 11 changes helped us. All in all a very enjoyable at VP and long may it continue.
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Biggest gate this eve.
Considering there were only around 20 from Wigan that's good going,
22. I counted them.
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Sheffield Wednesday away end of Feb will need to be rearranged.
I have booked the Wembley Hilton for a celebration evening.
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Tough team selection on Friday. I'd keep the same starting 11 minus Hutton.
Hutton didn't play tonight ;)
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Just home through the roadworks. I too noticed that Hogan turned his back on the crowd when he scored. Doyle-Hayes was the one who impressed me. I don't think Bruce has changed his style voluntarily. I think he has been told to change it. However it came about it is welcome and long overdue.
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I wonder if we counted all ST holders or only those that turned up and if we had to pay Wigan for the ST holders?
We only counted those who turned up because if we count all ST's we have to pay Wigan more money.
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I wonder if we counted all ST holders or only those that turned up and if we had to pay Wigan for the ST holders?
We only counted those who turned up because if we count all ST's we have to pay Wigan more money.
How many ST holders have we got this season?
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Our reserves v their reserves. Our reserves much better. Hogan could have had a hatrick, Bjork looked strong and probably the stand out player overall but they all played welll, even so, Gardner as tidy as he was didn't do enough to worry squad inclusion. The only downside is that Hogan made no effort to integrate with the crowd after his goals. The ref was awful.
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I only decided to go to this one a couple of days ago. So glad I did. Some great performances and 4 goals of real quality. Hogan's second and Adomah's were especially good. Hogan looked the player we thought we had bought and Thor was much improved.
When was the last time we scored 4 goals in consecutive games?
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When was the last time we scored 4 goals in consecutive games?
2008-09
24th August beat FH Hafnarfjordur 4-1 (a)
27th August beat Man City 4-2 (h).
For any eternal optimists that think we can keep the run going, the last time we managed it three times in a row:
2007-08
5th April beat Bolton 4-0 (h)
12th April beat Derby 6-0 (a)
20th April beat Small Heath 5-1 (h)
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Ah yes, April '08, a golden era.
Re Hogan, I mean sometimes players just bask in the sweaty hugs of their teammates after scoring. Can we really take it as a snub against the people who buy the subscriptions and watch the adverts that pay his wages?
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Right good stuff let's keep scoring 4 goals each game.
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Eamonn. Yes.
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I personally don't see what the problem is with Hogan not celebrating with the crowd. Some player's do, some don't. There's more to be concerned about.
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Agreed.
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True. Score, trot back to your own half and await the restart. I don't give a toss about your wacky celebrations, headstands, tributes to your nipper/mom/injured colleague or your ability to slide on grass. Retrieve possession, get up the park and stick it in the fucking net again!
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Brian Little scored a few and never did much in the way of celebrations.
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Agree with all the sentiments above but the vibe that came from Hogan to Holte was that he was making .a point. Two goals against Wigan is a start. Long may it continue. It has been a long time coming. I can live with looking at the backs of goal scorers.
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I also thought for the short time he was on the pitch that Ross McCormack looked much fitter and genuinely interested. The times they are a changin'.
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I do wonder what hogan and mccormack would do as a front two. Both clever forwards, are they too similar?
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I do wonder what hogan and mccormack would do as a front two. Both clever forwards, are they too similar?
Errr. there's certainly a pace difference.
And, I'm not aware of any problems Hogan has had with his gates.
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True. Score, trot back to your own half and await the restart. I don't give a toss about your wacky celebrations, headstands, tributes to your nipper/mom/injured colleague or your ability to slide on grass. Retrieve possession, get up the park and stick it in the fucking net again!
Sage advice and Brucie should print this and pin it to the changing room door.
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When was the last time we scored 4 goals in consecutive games?
2008-09
24th August beat FH Hafnarfjordur 4-1 (a)
27th August beat Man City 4-2 (h).
For any eternal optimists that think we can keep the run going, the last time we managed it three times in a row:
2007-08
5th April beat Bolton 4-0 (h)
12th April beat Derby 6-0 (a)
20th April beat Small Heath 5-1 (h)
That was a memorable run. Stans halfway line goal at Derby and the total humiliation of the pride of Small Heath
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Can someone who saw the game please enlighten me as to what the actual formation was?! Did De Laet play centre-back with Elphick?
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Can someone who saw the game please enlighten me as to what the actual formation was?! Did De Laet play centre-back with Elphick?
He did 1st half, Bree played right back. They swapped in the second.
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Brian Little scored a few and never did much in the way of celebrations.
Nor Gary Shaw, they were not to shabby eh?
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Agree with all the sentiments above but the vibe that came from Hogan to Holte was that he was making .a point. Two goals against Wigan is a start. Long may it continue. It has been a long time coming. I can live with looking at the backs of goal scorers.
Cheers Brian, I just thought he wasn't very enthusiastic scoring in front of the Holte for the first time and just wondered what was the cause of this, if any.
I agree with other posters, back in the day, after the centre forward scored, he shook hands with his colleagues on the way back to the centre circle and got on with it !
* jumpers for goalposts.
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Just took a look at his goals for Brentford last season. He didn't celebrate them really either. Maybe that's his way.
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It looks like we are starting to see the benefits of the club strategy of playing the same or similar system at all levels. That is two games now with totally different sets of players and yet they have looked comfortable in both. Early days of course but it bodes well. Eight goals, the team looking confident and fans with smiles on their face it. More of this, please.
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Can someone who saw the game please enlighten me as to what the actual formation was?! Did De Laet play centre-back with Elphick?
He did 1st half, Bree played right back. They swapped in the second.
Thanks mate. How did they both look in those positions?
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Perhaps he's just a modest kind of an individual. Without starting a who's the most modest celebrant thread, IIR, Darius Vassell could never be accused of going OTT.
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I do wonder what hogan and mccormack would do as a front two. Both clever forwards, are they too similar?
They are pretty different as Hogan plays on the shoulder of defenders, whereas McCormack drops off more. Might work together in that respect.
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When you're complaining about how people celebrate goals then there can't be much else to worry about. It was a quiet atmosphere and he's in the b team. He's hardly going to be doing cartwheels.
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When you're complaining about how people celebrate goals then there can't be much else to worry about. It was a quiet atmosphere and he's in the b team. He's hardly going to be doing cartwheels.
Certainly not complaining, just an observation.
Thanks Bren'd, obviously he just doesn't do goal celebrations
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I do wonder what hogan and mccormack would do as a front two. Both clever forwards, are they too similar?
They are pretty different as Hogan plays on the shoulder of defenders, whereas McCormack drops off more. Might work together in that respect.
It was more about their height and the fact the rely on a footballing team around them, rather than a more direct game. That said, I think McCormack will be off very soon.
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Anything that encourages someone to buy McCormack is good news, he's burnt his bridges here for me, been completely out of order. If we can get back half of what we paid then do it.
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It looks like we are starting to see the benefits of the club strategy of playing the same or similar system at all levels. That is two games now with totally different sets of players and yet they have looked comfortable in both. Early days of course but it bodes well. Eight goals, the team looking confident and fans with smiles on their face it. More of this, please.
Maybe they only introduced the strategy last week. Whatever they're doing it's working. More please.
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Are we really that desperate to find things to be pissed off about that we've started criticising goal celebrations? Fucking Hell.
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I was impressed by Clark. He was tired by the end but still kept running. Hardly a foot wrong all evening.
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Sorry, meant Clarke.
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Just hope that for Friday with the right players and the right tactics it will dawn on Bruce that we can actually win at Bristol.
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Really pleased with the win another 4 goals with a different team fingers crossed this is the start of our something good for us I'm so pleased for the young lions so get more game time and win and it's nice to see the goals being shared around instead of us relying on one man.
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Are we really that desperate to find things to be pissed off about that we've started criticising goal celebrations? Fucking Hell.
I see it as an observation, not a criticism.
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Fair enough. Only skim-reading the thread while I'm meant to be working.
We have form for this sort of thing having castigated Ayew and Bacuna for not having the correct facial expressions.
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Clark/Clarke all over again?! Oh bother/brother!
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We've lost so many of these type of games over the years it was good to win comfortably.
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Just hope that for Friday with the right players and the right tactics it will dawn on Bruce that we can actually win at Bristol.
He does need to pick between Hogan and Davis though. Green and Hourihane both need to play, and a reversion to a wide 4-4-2 to accommodate the strikers wouldn't really suit anyone.
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Are we really that desperate to find things to be pissed off about that we've started criticising goal celebrations? Fucking Hell.
Agreed. I think it was just because it was a low key League Cup game that we were expected to win. If it was a league game we'd see players a little more excited after winning us the 3 points.
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Clark/Clarke all over again?! Oh bother/brother!
I thought we'd seen the last of that when Kieran left.
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Can someone who saw the game please enlighten me as to what the actual formation was?! Did De Laet play centre-back with Elphick?
He did 1st half, Bree played right back. They swapped in the second.
Thanks mate. How did they both look in those positions?
To be fair De Laet was pretty good at CB but not really pressed - really looked the part at RB and created a great run and pass for the Bjork goal.
Bree - at RB was a little out of sorts and was on the wrong side of his man a few times and was told unceremoniously by Bruce. At CB played it simple - again without much pressure to be honest.
I really hope Brice changes Hutton for De Laet but I fear it will be same old
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Agree with all the sentiments above but the vibe that came from Hogan to Holte was that he was making .a point. Two goals against Wigan is a start. Long may it continue. It has been a long time coming. I can live with looking at the backs of goal scorers.
I should hope he was making a point. I should hope he's got an attitude and an approach that says he can do it and I also hope that he gets the right opportunity from the set-up we adopt and keeps scoring every time he plays.
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If Hogan can score 20 goals for us this season I couldn't care less if he never really celebrates.
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Who pinged that ball to Albert to slot it to Hogan for the first goal? Excellent ball that.
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Who pinged that ball to Albert to slot it to Hogan for the first goal? Excellent ball that.
Someone said it was gardner on the match thread, I couldn't tell on the highlights I've seen.
Actually, just checked the clubs youtube and they've got full highlights on there:
it's definitely Gardner
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Kudos Gardner. Many people saying he didn't play well.
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From the bits of streaming and those highlights -
I like the look of Doyle-Hayes, wins the ball, plays simple passes accurately and with a bit of zip, holds his position well. He's doing pretty much everything we bought Whelan for, add in Lyden who I also rate and Jedinak and they make that signing look unnecessary, I hope he doesn't become another one on big money that we can't get rid of.
De Laet played a cross for the 4th that Hutton couldn't even imagine, yes it was poor defending but if you're crossing from that angle you have to get defenders playing facing their own goal and force the mistakes.
Hogan will score if you get the ball to him around the box with half a yard of space and his movement is good enough to make the space but we need to improve our ability to find him, his first was a good cross though and played to his strengths well.
For their goal De Laet sold himself very cheap (that was the only obvious sign he was out of position I saw) but what the fuck was Elphick doing backing off and giving him space to pick his spot? Terrible defending and something he was guilty of last season as well.
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Who pinged that ball to Albert to slot it to Hogan for the first goal? Excellent ball that.
Gardener, best thing he did in the match.
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Kudos Gardner. Many people saying he didn't play well.
He played very well.
He did the job he was out there to do.
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Agree with all the sentiments above but the vibe that came from Hogan to Holte was that he was making .a point. Two goals against Wigan is a start. Long may it continue. It has been a long time coming. I can live with looking at the backs of goal scorers.
I should hope he was making a point. I should hope he's got an attitude and an approach that says he can do it and I also hope that he gets the right opportunity from the set-up we adopt and keeps scoring every time he plays.
Stating the obvious surely. What suggests otherwise re his attitude ?
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Doyle-Hayes looked good last night. He has a change of pace about him and isn't afraid to move the game on.
That was the big difference between us and them, the extra hears we moved the ball at in the final third. Lots of movement and intent first half, could and should have had more.
There was something reassuringly straight forward about it. Very unlike us.
Shout out to the M6 north between J12-13 being closed down to 1 lane with no fucker working on it.
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Kudos Gardner. Many people saying he didn't play well.
He played very well.
He did the job he was out there to do.
He is nonetheless surplus to requirements, isn't he?
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You can watch the whole game on a tv if interested - I watched the first half doing the ironing. I'd say
Good morale boost - but Wigan made 11 changes so no more than that
Clark battled really well, but it was Doyle-Hayes' very accurate first time forward passing that really impressed me.
O'Hare was great in the first round but gave the ball away a lot here. I mean A LOT
Good Hogan goals but no way should he be in ahead of Davis at Bristol
Barny still not convincing me. There was one point where Hogan played a perfectly paced ball to put him through one on one, but his first touch went about 10 feet straight to the keeper
Notable that despite the encouraging youth, all four of our goals were really down to the established players
Overall I don't think anyone was so good they're demanding to be in the first team, but de Laet at RB (bad mistake at CB), Adomah and hogan knocking on th the door
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Kudos Gardner. Many people saying he didn't play well.
He played very well.
He did the job he was out there to do.
He is nonetheless surplus to requirements, isn't he?
That might be the case, but it's wrong that he's castigated when he's had a decent game.
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Yep, if Doyle Hayes had played that pass to Adomah people would have been saying he's the best midfielder to come through our ranks since Sid
Actually I think I have seen people saying that anyway
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You can watch the whole game on a tv if interested - I watched the first half doing the ironing.
OK I will pop around. Do I have to do the ironing whilst watching it?
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Notable that despite the encouraging youth, all four of our goals were really down to the established players
Overall I don't think anyone was so good they're demanding to be in the first team, but de Laet at RB (bad mistake at CB), Adomah and hogan knocking on th the door
Notable I agree but I think it's also worth noting that in the 2 massively improved performances we've had a much better mix of youth and experience than we had during most of the shitty run either side of the summer. That was also true in pre-season where the games with more youth players were far more encouraging than the ones with mostly first teamers. Younger players, in general, will be more positive in their play and be a bit more energetic and by retreating into picking the most experienced side he could Bruce made us look tired and unfit.
That's the real lesson he needs to learn.
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You can watch the whole game on a tv if interested - I watched the first half doing the ironing.
OK I will pop around. Do I have to do the ironing whilst watching it?
Yep. Fucking hate ironing
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Any chance of any brave soul starting Bristol City pre-match thread?
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Aftab if you have time on your hands my Land Rover needs some work on it. I will leave the keys under the door mat.
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Haha Brian😊 I have the master key for Defenders so just leave it parked I will get round to it later today. The exhaust manifold will need remachining as it's probably warped🤔