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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: jwarry on August 20, 2017, 11:52:46 AM
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Thought they deserve a thread if their own. There is no doubt this latest crop are giving us our only bit of optimism but does everybody think they are the best crop we've had for years? Davis, RHM and and Green look the real deal up top, O,Hare, Doyle-Hayes and Lyden look able midfielders, and a few defenders starting to come through such as Bree, Toner and Suliman though they always take longer, and of course not forgetting Jack making 10.
You never win anything with kids was debunked by Sir Alex years ago, I say throw them in and give us something to shout about
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Would like to see O'Hare on the bench and I think RHM has real potential, if he can just stay fit.
Assume Bree will start instead of Hutton for our next league game.
With Davis doing so well, you wonder what will happen when Kodija is available again.
Haven't seen Doyle-Hayes or Sulieman, or much of Toner and Lyden.
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On the few occasions I've watch the youth on avtv, Doyle-Hales has looked a very tidy player.
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Kodjia and Davis could be an exceptional combo
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It certainly looks promising, on the basis of yesterday.
Fingers crossed we get a good few through asap, as it looks like we're currently limited with spending.
Yet to be convinced that Bruce is that man to take this 'next generation' forward, if that's what they are, but I'm happy to be proved wrong.
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Thought the lads Houllier brought through were all quite decent, to varying degrees (or at least they all eventually kicked on after they left us) - Albrighton, Clark, Bannan, Hogg.
Like what we've seen so far from the current lot though - we'll see if Bruce is bold enough to keep them involved even when he doesn't necessarily have to.
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Thought the lads Houllier brought through were all quite decent, to varying degrees (or at least they all eventually kicked on after they left us) - Albrighton, Clark, Bannan, Hogg.
Like what we've seen so far from the current lot though - we'll see if Bruce is bold enough to keep them involved even when he doesn't necessarily have to.
I agree and at times they played some nice football, but this crop seem a cut above. Will have to go some to beat the crop of 1972 though (Jake Findlay, John Gidman, Bobby McDonald, Alan Little, Jimmy Brown, Tony Betts, and Sir Brian Little)
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Kodjia and Davis could be an exceptional combo
Agreed. Could be the most exciting forward line in the league.
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Kodjia and Davis could be an exceptional combo
Agreed. Could be the most exciting forward line in the league.
Thirded. I suggested this yesterday and if we sign Gallagher then that gives us further combo options with Hogan too.
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Thought the lads Houllier brought through were all quite decent, to varying degrees (or at least they all eventually kicked on after they left us) - Albrighton, Clark, Bannan, Hogg.
Like what we've seen so far from the current lot though - we'll see if Bruce is bold enough to keep them involved even when he doesn't necessarily have to.
This was probably the best 'batch' and before that Cahill, Davis, Gardner
Way too early to call for me. Though interesting that they're mostly 18-19 year olds. Only really Grealish and Lyden have come through and been retained at the 21-22 bracket. Though I think we should have kept Robinson
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And Johnson.
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Can we nip the whole "he's one of our own" nonsense for Davis in the bud though please - he grew up in London and has spent less than 18 months in our youth team. It makes us sound ridiculous.
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Can add Sarkic to the list above, I've been very impressed by him.
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Can we nip the whole "he's one of our own" nonsense for Davis in the bud though please - he grew up in London and has spent less than 18 months in our youth team. It makes us sound ridiculous.
I wasn't really referring to our academy as much as having a crop of young players. Not bothered whether they've been K Mac'd it's just that we suddenly seem to have found a seam
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Can we nip the whole "he's one of our own" nonsense for Davis in the bud though please - he grew up in London and has spent less than 18 months in our youth team. It makes us sound ridiculous.
I wasn't really referring to our academy as much as having a crop of young players. Not bothered whether they've been K Mac'd it's just that we suddenly seem to have found a seam
Sorry, it was more in response to the chant at Villa Park on Saturday rather than this thread.
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I think if a player is plucked from obscurity before the age of 18 you can call him one of your own in that respect. Davis would not likely have made it had we not found him and given him a shot after being turned away by Stevenage. It gives the fans something to hold on too as well.
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There wasn't one. It's was Keinan, Keinan, Keinan in a Shreaer type way.
Andre Green is the one of our own song.
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The one of our own discussion re Keinan and Kel reminds me of Gregory's quote about Brightons chairman not being able to recognise Gareth Barry and Michael Standing if they were stood on their heads on Brighton beach.
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There wasn't one. It's was Keinan, Keinan, Keinan in a Shreaer type way.
Andre Green is the one of our own song.
I was sitting Lower Holte and when Davis hit the bar it was very clearly heard.
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There wasn't one. It's was Keinan, Keinan, Keinan in a Shreaer type way.
Andre Green is the one of our own song.
I was sitting Lower Holte and when Davis hit the bar it was very clearly heard.
Heard it from P8 in the DE too, just after the header. Then the same to AG after he scored. Only heard the "KEINAN! KEINAN!" after that though - I thought they were shouting "KEEGAN!" for a second! :D
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The "one of our own" chant was heard for Davis and Green on Saturday. I tried to get the chant started for Elmohamady, but nobody joined in.
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Thought the lads Houllier brought through were all quite decent, to varying degrees (or at least they all eventually kicked on after they left us) - Albrighton, Clark, Bannan, Hogg.
Like what we've seen so far from the current lot though - we'll see if Bruce is bold enough to keep them involved even when he doesn't necessarily have to.
I agree and at times they played some nice football, but this crop seem a cut above. Will have to go some to beat the crop of 1972 though (Jake Findlay, John Gidman, Bobby McDonald, Alan Little, Jimmy Brown, Tony Betts, and Sir Brian Little)
And another batch in the early 80s - Cowans, Shaw, Williams, Gibson.
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The "one of our own" chant was heard for Davis and Green on Saturday. I tried to get the chant started for Elmohamady, but nobody joined in.
Maybe try it with JT :)
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Thought the lads Houllier brought through were all quite decent, to varying degrees (or at least they all eventually kicked on after they left us) - Albrighton, Clark, Bannan, Hogg.
Like what we've seen so far from the current lot though - we'll see if Bruce is bold enough to keep them involved even when he doesn't necessarily have to.
This was probably the best 'batch' and before that Cahill, Davis, Gardner
Way too early to call for me. Though interesting that they're mostly 18-19 year olds. Only really Grealish and Lyden have come through and been retained at the 21-22 bracket. Though I think we should have kept Robinson
Good stuff. Only issue I see is that Grealish, O'Hare and RHM pretty much all play in the same position which might limit their chances. I like what I have seen of O'Hare so far - looks decent on the ball and works hard. Might have a look at some of the U23 games this season.
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If we're going to play with four attacking midfielders there'll be plenty of opportunities for grealish and a good few for O'Hare
Think RHM may need to go on loan
Don't think Bjarnason will be here this time next year
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The "one of our own" chant was heard for Davis and Green on Saturday. I tried to get the chant started for Elmohamady, but nobody joined in.
Maybe try it with JT :)
He'll be too busy playing to sing
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Where I was sitting in the lower Holte I could hear the one of our own chant for both Keinan and Andre.
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If we're going to play with four attacking midfielders there'll be plenty of opportunities for grealish and a good few for O'Hare
Think RHM may need to go on loan
Don't think Bjarnason will be here this time next year
Not sure where Grealish would fit in to the system used on Saturday, other than on the left wing. I'd be interested to see if O'Hare could develop into a player capable of playing in one of he two more advanced central midfield roles.
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I thought the lad who played left back had a great game, great tenacity and a couple of great through balls.nGot caught in possession a couple of times but recovered well...
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I thought the lad who played left back had a great game, great tenacity and a couple of great through balls.nGot caught in possession a couple of times but recovered well...
Agreed, very right footed though.
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Given what we learned from last night's game, should the club make any more acquisitions before the end of the month?
Should we now not integrate the two squads from Saturday and last night and maximise the chances of some of the kids actually coming through to become regular first-teamers?
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Given what we learned from last night's game, should the club make any more acquisitions before the end of the month?
Should we now not integrate the two squads from Saturday and last night and maximise the chances of some of the kids actually coming through to become regular first-teamers?
Absolutely we should. There's some real young talented players coming through who should be given their chance. Young hungry and eager over mercenaries any time for me. Even Mcormack seems to have had a bit of a wake up call. He looked leaner and sharper last night.
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If we're going to play with four attacking midfielders there'll be plenty of opportunities for grealish and a good few for O'Hare
Think RHM may need to go on loan
Don't think Bjarnason will be here this time next year
Maybe. But he looked much improved last night.
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Given what we learned from last night's game, should the club make any more acquisitions before the end of the month?
Should we now not integrate the two squads from Saturday and last night and maximise the chances of some of the kids actually coming through to become regular first-teamers?
I am not sure if we can make a call based on playing Wigan reserves however I agree with your sentiment.
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Mitch Clark played well I thought. Personally I didn't even notice he was right footed until the second half. Went on few decent runs too.
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Doyle-Hayes caught my eye much more than the other two. Classy passer
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Bruce saying none of them will be let go this window, I should bloody hope not, there are a bunch of wasters that need to go not the up and coming talent!
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Mitch Clark should be right-footed, as he is a right-back.
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Mitch Clark should be right-footed, as he is a right-back.
That's not how it works these days. Once it was the key skill of a full back to force a wide player outside and then use their best foot to make the tackle/block to stop the cross.
Now, they are more inclined to let them cut inside because the centre is packed, in which case tackling with the good foot is reversed.
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Mitch Clark should be right-footed, as he is a right-back.
That's not how it works these days. Once it was the key skill of a full back to force a wide player outside and then use their best foot to make the tackle/block to stop the cross.
Now, they are more inclined to let them cut inside because the centre is packed, in which case tackling with the good foot is reversed.
I was having this conversation at the game on Saturday.
The issue with the latter option is that teams are more frequently putting wingers on the "wrong" side so that they can cut in and ping the top corner, a la Andre Green on Saturday.
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Mitch Clark should be right-footed, as he is a right-back.
That's not how it works these days. Once it was the key skill of a full back to force a wide player outside and then use their best foot to make the tackle/block to stop the cross.
Now, they are more inclined to let them cut inside because the centre is packed, in which case tackling with the good foot is reversed.
I was having this conversation at the game on Saturday.
The issue with the latter option is that teams are more frequently putting wingers on the "wrong" side so that they can cut in and ping the top corner, a la Andre Green on Saturday.
And Ashley Young