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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2017, 04:49:12 PM
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Not too early as I'm not expecting miracles. I'll kick it off.
Utter, utter bollocks. Bruce is massively out of his depth and we look like we are headed for the cliffs yet again. So before we crash against them and kiss yet another season goodbye get rid of this useless manager and fucking start again.
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Same shit different season
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Bought footballers and plays hit n hope. Fucking useless.
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Load of fucking woeful wank. Bruce can fucking collect his cards.
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Actually even worse by one first half goal than my doom and gloom prediction yesterday. We're not going up are we?
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Don't get it. Shot shy, pedestrian team still looks shot shy and pedestrian after all our great business in the summer.
Bruce must be struggling, as even regular 9/10 performers like Hutton and Gabby are letting him down now. Hard for him though, as they have never done that under any other manager. What is the poor guy meant to do with freak occurrences of that nature.
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My problem in the past was our really bad midfield...bought a new midfield, it's really bad.
Hutton has made 123 appearances for Villa...just let that sink in for a second.
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For 'optics' (I hate myself) it is probably too early to fire him, but it's fair to say there are exactly no signs of improvement whatsoever.
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Hutton - SHIT
Gabby - SHIT
Lansbury - SHIT
Adomah - SHIT
Only Chester, Onomah, O Hare looked like professional footballers out there.
Favourites to win the league? You're having a fucking laugh.
Can't Pass, Can't Attack, Can't Cross.
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It's a beautiful day. Cnuts
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It was probably Bacuna's fault. He seems to get the blame for most things, so he might as well get it for this as well.
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FUCK "OPTICS"
Fuck him off, RIGHT NOW.
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i was chatting to a friend about us last night who is a rugby fan first and foremost. He said - you're shit despite numerous changes of owner manager coach players etc. etc. Why? I couldn't give him an answer.
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We've bought in shit footballers, we look unimaginative and undrilled. We don't have a good enough squad - even after all the money spent. We're being consistently outplayed and outclassed by teams who have spent a fraction of what we have. I'm questioning our coaching, our transfer tactics, our game tactics - nothing we do seems right.
Bruce needs to muster us, or go. ASAP.
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Just fuck off ...Bruce, Round and Wyness. Just fuck off.
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Been out all afternoon, so don't know the ins and outs of the game, but comes as no surprise. SB is carrying on the form of last season, no creativity, he makes good players in this league look poor. Stuck in the past, should have never been appointed, we all know this, unfortunately the man who matters doesn't seem to know this.
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What's optics?
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Two games in lad. Time for a measured response.
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How long is this going to continue? It's a disgrace.
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What's optics?
More fucking Yank shite that is making its fucking way into normal fucking speech.
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We was shite last season and what's he done bought a few oaps we was never going to go up and Bruce should never have been appointed in first place. It's a fucking shambles already after 2 games
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FUCK "OPTICS"
Fuck him off, RIGHT NOW.
What's optics?
What's optics?
More fucking Yank shite that is making its fucking way into normal fucking speech.
I deserve this.
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So glad I invested in AVTV.
So sorry for anyone that spent a fortune on actually going to that shitfest.
So fucking infuriatingly mad at the ineptitude of the manager. Fuck him off now.
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Two games in lad. Time for a measured response.
Measured is what you are reading on here. Firing him would be logical and rational.
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The fact Hutton and Agbonlahor are starters should be reason enough to sack him. Signing John Terry should also be a sackable offence.
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FUCK "OPTICS"
Fuck him off, RIGHT NOW.
What's optics?
What's optics?
More fucking Yank shite that is making its fucking way into normal fucking speech.
I deserve this.
You'll always be in good grace for uploading all that 70's Villa stuff to Youtube.
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FUCK "OPTICS"
Fuck him off, RIGHT NOW.
What's optics?
What's optics?
More fucking Yank shite that is making its fucking way into normal fucking speech.
I deserve this.
Sorry Monty.
I'm not in a good mood.
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So we have to build 3 teams in the next few years. I take it the second team we build will be to get us promoted from division 1.
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Never underestimate the potential of this buffoon to find further ways to plumb new depths.
Ghastly beyond words.
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Why did we take off Onomah who was easily our best player today? It was just bizzare
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2am, I really wish i didn't give a shit.
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Come in Mr Spud, your time's up. Unless something really radical happens with the club then I feel we're doomed for a long, long spell in this division. I don't have any solutions I only wish I did. We seem to be totally derelict in the coaching department and that includes the manager. I know it's early days but get rid and get rid tonight.
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What's optics?
Isn't it what they use to measure spirits out in the pub, off which you need shitloads to watch our dire attempts at football.
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FUCK "OPTICS"
Fuck him off, RIGHT NOW.
What's optics?
What's optics?
More fucking Yank shite that is making its fucking way into normal fucking speech.
I deserve this.
Sorry Monty.
I'm not in a good mood.
Nah I agree with you, I probably only said it from masochism.
Anyway, yes, fuck optics.
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I'm so glad I avoided the Aston Villa depression accelerator and went to the refurbed Hen & Chickens for a massive mixed grill instead. It was excellent.
As for the Villa, there comes a time when a manager's career becomes untenable, but the departure usually occurs two or three games after that. Unless we go on a winning streak (most unlikely), I expect Bruce will be gone in three matches. Sooner if he resigns.
But don't expect immediate results with the new bloke, whoever that might be. We need to learn how to be a football club again, but if there's anything Villa doesn't do it's learn.
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Just fuck off ...Bruce, Round and Wyness. Just fuck off.
Fuck 'em all; the long and the short and the tall. Fuckers.
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I predicted 7th-14th and I'm sticking with it. Cardiff were everything we're not and taught us a footballing lesson. It easily could of been 5 or 6-0.
We are fortunate the scoreline was only that, anyone watching knows we took a complete hammering.
No tactics
No desire
No hunger
No fight
No bottle
No skill
No strength
No goals
No points
etc etc...
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The BBC said it could have been double and that wouldn't have looked harsh on Villa.
How have we fallen this low?
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Of course our defence was meant to be rock solid this season!
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What's optics?
Optimistic's is my guess but looks like Cardiff will be lit tonight.
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It did sound like that Eric. Johnson made at least three excellent saves. Genuinely could have been 6.
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Just waiting for my train home, left at 3-0, sorry but I never leave early but today there was nothing to suggest any fight back.
No hunger, no desire, nothing.
Bruce needs to go and take his shite signings with him.
Today was easily one of the worst performances I have ever seen in my whole time following my club.
Fuck off Bruce and your crap backroom staff.
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Of course our defence was meant to be rock solid this season!
But it was a complete shambles in front of them and included Hutton who was useless again.
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Another wasted pre season.
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Sack the twat. Not a single thing has changed in nigh on a season with him in charge and a bucket load of cash spent.
Cheltenham have a lad up front this season they signed for a song after a couple of excellent seasons playing for Greenwich. He is knocking them in for fun. What do we sign?
Old fuckers on huge wages because they played in the top flight for a long time. Or liberally hurling cash at the best players on this league with no thought as to how we use them.
Gabby and Hutton need dropping pronto.
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What's optics?
Meet me down the pub and I'll show you old boy
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We badly missed Bacuna.
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What is it that makes players, coaches, managers with hitherto solid and in some cases exciting reputations, curl up and die as soon as they come to our great club? It's not as if ''it's the fans lofty expectations at Villa Park''. Our away form, freed from most of us demanding supporters, is a scandal.
There can't be any other club in the world that has had such a wretched decade as us.
I feel sorry for anyone on here who's had babbies in the last seven years and been repeatedly embarassed in attempts to cajole their offspring into following us. A whole new generation of Villa fans being wiped-out.
Maybe our vision will be 2020 in three years time and the club will finally be able to see clearly.
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I was another one of those who hoped SB would be sacked after the final match of last season. We could have had all pre-season to get a more forward thinking manager in and, he would have had the time then to have a good look at the players and sort out a game plan. I saw nothing in the pre-season friendlies or against Hull to convince me anything had changed. Same dour stuff.
Sadly now, even if we get someone else, choices are restricted. Things should always be changed before a season starts as, otherwise, you appoint someone new who then needs time to bed in etc.etc.ad infinitum and, probably another wasted season!!
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Guess the after match comments?
'It's been a horrible one. They had that little bit of quality we were lacking. We've lost Jack, Mile and Jonathan and they're big players. I've now lost Elmo whose picked up a bad one. I thought it was a nothing game until the first one went in. We'll br bang at it on Tuesday for sure.'
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The club is rotten from the ground up and has been for some time now. We have changed, managers, assistant managers, owners, players and executives and it remains the same.
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Why did we take off Onomah who was easily our best player today? It was just bizzare
Because bruce hasn't a bloody clue.
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Guess the after match comments?
'It's been a horrible one. They had that little bit of quality we were lacking. We've lost Jack, Mile and Jonathan and they're big players. I've now lost Elmo whose picked up a bad one. I thought it was a nothing game until the first one went in. We'll br bang at it on Tuesday for sure.'
puke.
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Guess the after match comments?
'It's been a horrible one. They had that little bit of quality we were lacking. We've lost Jack, Mile and Jonathan and they're big players. I've now lost Elmo whose picked up a bad one. I thought it was a nothing game until the first one went in. We'll br bang at it on Tuesday for sure.'
'It's not my fault, all of our best players were injured and the ones I've signed are shit. What do you expect?'
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The BBC said it could have been double and that wouldn't have looked harsh on Villa.
How have we fallen this low?
Years of employing very average managers.
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Sorry I should've clarified that was me guessing what they will be.
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Guess the after match comments?
'It's been a horrible one. They had that little bit of quality we were lacking. We've lost Jack, Mile and Jonathan and they're big players. I've now lost Elmo whose picked up a bad one. I thought it was a nothing game until the first one went in. We'll br bang at it on Tuesday for sure.'
'It's not my fault, all of our best players were injured and the ones I've signed are shit. What do you expect?'
What B.S. One player he was looking to replace and one player he couldn't get a tune out of, and probably wouldn't start anyway.
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Sorry I should've clarified that was me guessing what they will be.
FAKE NEWS!!
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What is it that makes players, coaches, managers with hitherto solid and in some cases exciting reputations, curl up and die as soon as they come to our great club? It's not as if ''it's the fans lofty expectations at Villa Park''. Our away form, freed from most of us demanding supporters, is a scandal.
There can't be any other club in the world that has had such a wretched decade as us.
I feel sorry for anyone on here who's had babbies in the last seven years and been repeatedly embarassed in attempts to cajole their offspring into following us. A whole new generation of Villa fans being wiped-out.
Maybe our vision will be 2020 in three years time and the club will finally be able to see clearly.
How many did we have at Cardiff today, 5k? Certainly very few clubs that would take that sort of following when we continue to be diabolical away.
Newcastle take thousands away but they're not as bad as us as they always get promoted out of this division at the first time of asking.
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Wow. I didn't think it would be THAT bad.
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The Cardiff lad who scored two of their goals is a Villa fan, apparently. Funny fucking way of showing it.
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The BBC said it could have been double and that wouldn't have looked harsh on Villa.
How have we fallen this low?
Years of employing very average managers.
exactly
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Aston Villa are still yet to win a single league game without Mile Jedinak in the lineup since he signed in August, 2016. #avfc pic.twitter.com/I2v5…
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Warnock took over Cardiff in the same week that Bruce came to us. Bruce has spent more, but which one of the two has made more progress?
Today was awful. We were bullied, out-thought, out- witted from start to finish.
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The Cardiff lad who scored two of their goals is a Villa fan, apparently. Funny fucking way of showing it.
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The club is rotten from the ground up and has been for some time now. We have changed, managers, assistant managers, owners, players and executives and it remains the same.
It might help if we stopped appointing shit managers. Just a thought.
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Aston Villa are still yet to win a single league game without Mile Jedinak in the lineup since he signed in August, 2016. #avfc pic.twitter.com/I2v5…
It's his fault is it, Aussie bastard
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Guess the after match comments?
'It's been a horrible one. They had that little bit of quality we were lacking. We've lost Jack, Mile and Jonathan and they're big players. I've now lost Elmo whose picked up a bad one. I thought it was a nothing game until the first one went in. We'll br bang at it on Tuesday for sure.'
I think that that will be bang on. 'A horrible one', 'it's been like that since I joined', and 'little bit of quality' will all feature in Steve Bruce cliche bingo.
All I'd really like to hear is a brutally honest Kevin Keegan style "I've tried my best, it isn't working, I resign, goodbye.'
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Shockingly abysmal yet again.
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The BBC said it could have been double and that wouldn't have looked harsh on Villa.
How have we fallen this low?
Years of employing very average managers.
And weak, limited players
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I am very much on the way to 'sack him' camp, in fact I'd be quite happy if it happens tonight.
Have a real bug bear with managers who are soooo negative that with 7 substitutes available he is sooo scared of trying to win that he doesn't pick a striker amongst them. To not have 1 or more of Davis, RHM or McCormack (we are still paying him) sat there is negligent!
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Warnock is a fucking football dinosaur.
I guess that makes Bruce primordial slime?
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Sorry I should've clarified that was me guessing what they will be.
You knew full well you rascal, you and your old inventing quotes routine.
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Aston Villa are still yet to win a single league game without Mile Jedinak in the lineup since he signed in August, 2016. #avfc pic.twitter.com/I2v5…
Blimey, that's quite a stat.
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The club is rotten from the ground up and has been for some time now. We have changed, managers, assistant managers, owners, players and executives and it remains the same.
It might help if we stopped appointing shit managers. Just a thought.
Yea I'm afraid I'm laying this one firmly at the feet of the manager as well....the football has been awful from day one. Our last 8 league games, we've won one and scored 6 goals. RDM went for similar..
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Aston Villa are still yet to win a single league game without Mile Jedinak in the lineup since he signed in August, 2016. #avfc pic.twitter.com/I2v5…
It's his fault is it, Aussie bastard
Made me laugh. Thanks.
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Warnock took over Cardiff in the same week that Bruce came to us. Bruce has spent more, but which one of the two has made more progress?
Today was awful. We were bullied, out-thought, out- witted from start to finish.
No-one on here would have wanted Warnock but the proof''s in the pudding. He has improved them, Bruce hasn't done the same.
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The Cardiff lad who scored two of their goals is a Villa fan, apparently. Funny fucking way of showing it.
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Lad who scored last week for Hull is from Hereford. Ran to the away end to embrace his Dad who according to ITV central is a Villa fan.
Probably what happens when the club dishes up the nonsense they have since 2010.Even Villa fans playing against us want to punish us!
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I don't get this anti Warnock thing. He's been consistently good at this level. He would be short term but then I wouldn't expect Bruce to stay either if we went up.
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The BBC said it could have been double and that wouldn't have looked harsh on Villa.
How have we fallen this low?
Where have you been since 2010??
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I just think we need much more profound changes at the club than what Warnock would bring. I'll give him this though, he does at least do the thing he's meant to do - it's limited, but he does it. Bruce doesn't even do that.
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Stuff it, I'm getting blotto.
Anyone care to join me?
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Stuff it, I'm getting blotto.
Anyone care to join me?
Yay! Optics!!
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Why is anyone still surprised when we lose? It's the norm for me and I'm more surprised when we win.
This job is way too big for Bruce, he hasn't got a clue. We're not Small Heath or Hull.
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Bruce is going to make us retreat into our shell even more now ( if that is possible ). It doesn't bode well.
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No we aren't they can both win at this level.
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Stuff it, I'm getting blotto.
Anyone care to join me?
Yay! Optics!!
Optics!
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After a loss like that, another game in short order can be your chance to draw a line under it. For Villa, it's a chance to achieve 1 point from 9.
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I just think we need much more profound changes at the club than what Warnock would bring. I'll give him this though, he does at least do the thing he's meant to do - it's limited, but he does it. Bruce doesn't even do that.
He wouldn't if he came to us though. Managers crumble when they get this job.You can guarantee hed be as clueless as Bruce with us
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This job is way too big for Bruce, he hasn't got a clue. We're not Small Heath or Hull.
Sorry but how does that make any difference?
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This job is way too big for Bruce, he hasn't got a clue. We're not Small Heath or Hull.
Sorry but how does that make any difference?
The pressure is a whole new ball game. He says all the right things but football wise he's clueless. Nearly a year in and we still haven't got any kind of pattern of play or style despite it being his squad.
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This job is way too big for Bruce, he hasn't got a clue. We're not Small Heath or Hull.
Sorry but how does that make any difference?
Lower expectations at those clubs?
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Worst European Tour. EVER.
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I just think we need much more profound changes at the club than what Warnock would bring. I'll give him this though, he does at least do the thing he's meant to do - it's limited, but he does it. Bruce doesn't even do that.
He wouldn't if he came to us though. Managers crumble when they get this job.You can guarantee hed be as clueless as Bruce with us
Yeah quite possibly. Perhaps it's just that bog-standard, meat-and-two-veg football can't work at a club with this purchasing power (relative to the division) and these expectations.
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Our only hope is to get rid of him quickly. We won't. We will faff about and hope for a miracle turn around that might get us into the play offs. Wyness and Round are as incompetent as Bruce.
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Getting schooled by a Neil Warnock side should be a sackable offence. We really are utter garbage without Kod.
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Give him until end of month and if we havent improved results And perdormance fuck him off
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Give him until end of month and if we havent improved results And perdormance fuck him off
This is where I am.
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Why is anyone still surprised when we lose? It's the norm for me and I'm more surprised when we win.
This job is way too big for Bruce, he hasn't got a clue. We're not Small Heath or Hull.
Nobody is surprised, they probably just get even more pissed off with forever being shit.
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This job is way too big for Bruce, he hasn't got a clue. We're not Small Heath or Hull.
Sorry but how does that make any difference?
Lower expectations at those clubs?
Yes but still the task is to build a decent team regardless of where you are. If anything it should be easier at Villa as more resources are available.
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In terms of coaching Bruce has been left behind by the likes of Neil Warnock. Yep thats right....Neil Warnock...unbelievable.
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http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10985592/cardiff-3-0-aston-villa
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Our only hope is to get rid of him quickly. We won't. We will faff about and hope for a miracle turn around that might get us into the play offs. Wyness and Round are as incompetent as Bruce.
They're the two that appointed Bruce. They're the two that Xia has put his trust in based on their footballing knowledge. They're the two that will cover their own arses and defend against sacking the manager. They're the two that probably wish Xia wasn't so active on twitter as I imagine the fans will be giving him lots of advise.
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Not that it matters, but I haven't seen a single cautious tweet by a Villa fan on Twitter this evening. Even that Dan Bardell bloke seems pissed off and he's always smiling.
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The pressure is a whole new ball game. He says all the right things but football wise he's clueless. Nearly a year in and we still haven't got any kind of pattern of play or style despite it being his squad.
So he is flapping about like a fish out of water? Is that what you are saying is I agree.
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There are 3 more games in August, why wait till we have played them, and then bin him.
Frankly, even if he got 9 points out those games, I'd get rid.
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http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10985592/cardiff-3-0-aston-villa
We look like a team of mime artists pretending to do football.
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Anyone know when Kodija is expected back? We miss him badly.
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Anyone know when Kodija is expected back? We miss him badly.
Bruce says after the international break.
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There are 3 more games in August, why wait till we have played them, and then bin him.
Frankly, even if he got 9 points out those games, I'd get rid.
Is where I'm at
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Give him until end of month and if we havent improved results And perdormance fuck him off
Need to start looking before then and have someone ready to go if that is the case. We can't have a number of games with someone like Calderwood or Clemenceau in charge.
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No matter how good owner, coaches, manager, midfield, defence are.... without a couple of decent strikers scoring their majority of chances, we won't win games. We've only 1 said striker without back up . It's as simple as that really
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http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10985592/cardiff-3-0-aston-villa
We look like a team of mime artists pretending to do football.
Hopefully someone can install an imaginary glass door in front on Steve's office before Monday.
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We need to be working on his replacement now.
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We need to be working on his replacement now.
Whilst simultaneously working on his P45.
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We need to be working on his replacement now.
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I would like Tony to step up and show his full support for the manager. For example: "To end speculation once and for all, the Aston Villa Board feel it necessary to announce that we have 100 per cent faith in Steve Bruce's ability to lead Aston Villa Football Club."
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We need to be working on his replacement now.
Whilst simultaneously working on his P45.
If only we still had the deal with Quickbooks we could have sorted that with one touch of a button.
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Well there goes my "hey it could break either way" nonsense.
Here we are again. Dr.X. Sorry man, but you know what needs to be done.
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The only positive I can take from today is we only suffered 3 goals. It could have been so much more.
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Shocked there's only 8 pages. Suppose we're all accustomed to this now
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How can we buy decent footballers and turn them to complete shite? Its a talent you have to admit.
Gabby and hutton. Why?
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On the way back to Bournemouth in the minibus. Another utterly depressing performance. It could get very messy at Reading for Bruce if we play like today. I'm going in hope but absolutely no expectations. We seem cursed!
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Only saw first half and a bit of the second as we had a mouse shaped visitor i've been trying and failing to catch all afternoon
Things I knew at 1-0
Hutton, Lansbury and Gabby are all fucking shit.
Things I know at full time
Hutton, Lansbury and Gabby are all fucking shit.
Not all their fault of course, but when three of the eleven are THAT bad it doesn't take a genius to work out what will happen
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Shocked there's only 8 pages. Suppose we're all accustomed to this now
we're all on the Bruce out thread mate
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Whilst i'm not 100% Bruce is 'the man' for the job. People have got to start asking questions of the players. It's no good keep claiming Bruce has ruined them, that's just ridiculous. Where's their effort, pride, professionalism ?
And we also need to ask questions of the board/owner. Do they really think this squad with it's Dads Army recruits is going to walk the league ?
I know it's only two games in, and i'm in no way calling for anyone's head. But it is already looking a tad shambolic
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We aren't cursed. We are just poorly managed.
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After our last Championship game away last season - Blackburn - Keith Wyness said he had never been so angry about a performance from a team he works with. Steve Bruce described it as "unacceptable" and yet in our very next Championship away game we produce a performance that SB says is "on the edge of embarrassing" and goes on "Arguably that's the biggest doing I can remember having in the Championship". I'm not sure where you go from there. 2 straight away games separated by a close season and a number of new signings producing 2 totally inept yet similar performances.
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Bollocks - get rid
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to lose ok, well no not ok with the faith being shown in Bruce, if anything like today happens Tuesday, then severe reprimand something in the lines of.
This is not acceptable and tell me we will now go unbeaten for the rest of August.
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After our last Championship game away last season - Blackburn - Keith Wyness said he had never been so angry about a performance from a team he works with. Steve Bruce described it as "unacceptable" and yet in our very next Championship away game we produce a performance that SB says is "on the edge of embarrassing" and goes on "Arguably that's the biggest doing I can remember having in the Championship". I'm not sure where you go from there. 2 straight away games separated by a close season and a number of new signings producing 2 totally inept yet similar performances.
Insightful. Good reminder. Even with the best will to the guy this isnt a blip. Its just a continuation of a downward trend for Bruce. Its not getting better.
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to lose ok, well no not ok with the faith being shown in Bruce, if anything like today happens Tuesday, then severe reprimand something in the lines of.
This is not acceptable and tell me we will now go unbeaten for the rest of August.
Fulham managed to pick up a point at Reading today whilst playing over 90 minutes with only 10 men. It should be a walk in the park.
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We aren't cursed. We are just poorly managed.
Has anyone said we're cursed, though?
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After our last Championship game away last season - Blackburn - Keith Wyness said he had never been so angry about a performance from a team he works with. Steve Bruce described it as "unacceptable" and yet in our very next Championship away game we produce a performance that SB says is "on the edge of embarrassing" and goes on "Arguably that's the biggest doing I can remember having in the Championship". I'm not sure where you go from there. 2 straight away games separated by a close season and a number of new signings producing 2 totally inept yet similar performances.
Insightful. Good reminder. Even with the best will to the guy this isnt a blip. Its just a continuation of a downward trend for Bruce. Its not getting better.
I have to admit up till now I have been an SB believer but the lack of real progress since he took over is worrying. We have added to the squad considerably but results and tactics seem to be still all over the place.
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to lose ok, well no not ok with the faith being shown in Bruce, if anything like today happens Tuesday, then severe reprimand something in the lines of.
This is not acceptable and tell me we will now go unbeaten for the rest of August.
Fulham managed to pick up a point at Reading today whilst playing over 90 minutes with only 10 men. It should be a walk in the park.
You can only imagine how Bruce will set us up on Tuesday.
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That Fulham boss would be my choice.
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and the player who scored two goals was a loanee from Rochdale which means hes not good enough for Rochdales first team, Rochdale fucking Rochdale ffs
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to lose ok, well no not ok with the faith being shown in Bruce, if anything like today happens Tuesday, then severe reprimand something in the lines of.
This is not acceptable and tell me we will now go unbeaten for the rest of August.
Fulham managed to pick up a point at Reading today whilst playing over 90 minutes with only 10 men. It should be a walk in the park.
Reading played us off at VP 4 months ago.
That said we do have a good record at that stadium winning 2-1.
We need a win sooner or later anyway.
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to lose ok, well no not ok with the faith being shown in Bruce, if anything like today happens Tuesday, then severe reprimand something in the lines of.
This is not acceptable and tell me we will now go unbeaten for the rest of August.
Fulham managed to pick up a point at Reading today whilst playing over 90 minutes with only 10 men. It should be a walk in the park.
Reading played us off at VP 4 months ago.
That said we do have a good record at that stadium winning 2-1.
We need a win sooner or later anyway.
So do they.
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We haven't half spent a lot of money making a terrible team even worse. It would be very funny if it were any other team.
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We're due to get a real thrashing soon.
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We haven't half spent a lot of money making a terrible team even worse. It would be very funny if it were any other team.
I'm not sure we're worse than we were 12 months ago, but we certainly seem to take a few steps forward followed by several steps back followed by several forward and a few back again. And that's how you end up no where. I'd say we're a nats bollock hair better than we were 12 months ago.
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Up until today I was happy to give Bruce a chance but despite the players signed and having a pre-season with them Villa have gone backwards. Unfortunately I think we are stuck with him unless something drastic happens in the next three weeks.
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IMO he has the Reading game to get a tune out of Villa. Lose it and he's toast.
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We're due to get a real thrashing soon.
Without Johnstone we'd have got that today. Cardiff could have scored 6
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Having spent well over £100 being at the game today can I say how refreshing it is that Bruce described it as "a difficult afternoon".
Mind you I suppose he's not allowed to say "drilled with no lube and no reach round" on telly is he?
Clueless, bit part in Toy story wanker.
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IMO he has the Reading game to get a tune out of Villa. Lose it and he's toast.
Works for me.
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to lose ok, well no not ok with the faith being shown in Bruce, if anything like today happens Tuesday, then severe reprimand something in the lines of.
This is not acceptable and tell me we will now go unbeaten for the rest of August.
Fulham managed to pick up a point at Reading today whilst playing over 90 minutes with only 10 men. It should be a walk in the park.
Yes, Central Park at 1am in the 1970s.
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We could copy and paste comments from any away match last year and it would read the same
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IMO he has the Reading game to get a tune out of Villa. Lose it and he's toast.
Fucking hell, 2 games in and I'm already pissed off about having to go down to watch the usual load of shite on Tuesday.
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IMO he has the Reading game to get a tune out of Villa. Lose it and he's toast.
Fucking hell, 2 games in and I'm already pissed off about having to go down to watch the usual load of shite on Tuesday.
I'm already pining for the summer pre season days.
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IMO he has the Reading game to get a tune out of Villa. Lose it and he's toast.
Fucking hell, 2 games in and I'm already pissed off about having to go down to watch the usual load of shite on Tuesday.
I'm already pining for the summer pre season days.
They can never take the Cup of Traditions from us. #pride #fightlikelions
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Outfought, outplayed and outthought by Colin Wanker's cobbled together bunch of misfits. We are good at finding new lows, that's for sure.
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IMO he has the Reading game to get a tune out of Villa. Lose it and he's toast.
Fucking hell, 2 games in and I'm already pissed off about having to go down to watch the usual load of shite on Tuesday.
I'm already pining for the summer pre season days.
They can never take the Cup of Traditions from us. #pride #fightlikelions
It's the fake Snapchats that I miss.
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to lose ok, well no not ok with the faith being shown in Bruce, if anything like today happens Tuesday, then severe reprimand something in the lines of.
This is not acceptable and tell me we will now go unbeaten for the rest of August.
Fulham managed to pick up a point at Reading today whilst playing over 90 minutes with only 10 men. It should be a walk in the park.
You can only imagine how Bruce will set us up on Tuesday.
It requires no imagination though.
Johnstone
Hutton
Chester
Terry
Taylor
Adomah
Whelan
Lansbury
Gabby
Onomah
Hogan
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"So, lads, you know what you're doing. That intricate and incisive passing we practiced all day Sunday and Monday - bin that as soon as you can, and that'll give me more time to think of something to blame."
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I think even the coaches must have left early as we didn't catch up with a lot of them until the M50 and we were smart leaving at the end.
The performance was shocking and the lack of pace all over the pitch was startling. They had one or two pacy players and knew how to expose us.
Just as at Colchester our keeper prevented further embarrassment.
The team was utterly bereft of skill, pace, application and ideas.
Warnock has cobbled together a team of freebies and they played us off the park.
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Watching how Leicester played last night (despite losing) but it was full of energy and running... I wish we played somewhere near that tempo.
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while the average age of the side hovers around 80, it's never going to happen.
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There's something of the John Gregory in Steve Bruce. Millions on players who may play out of their skin every once in a while.
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5 away wins in 44 games. Pitiful.
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5 away wins in 44 games. Pitiful.
Spanned across 3 seasons. So bad it's actually quite impressive.
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There's something of the John Gregory in Steve Bruce. Millions on players who may play out of their skin every once in a while.
Do you mean play out of their skins for clubs other than Aston Villa?
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There's something of the John Gregory in Steve Bruce. Millions on players who may play out of their skin every once in a while.
Do you mean play out of their skins for clubs other than Aston Villa?
Naturellement.
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To be this consistently shit for so long is some achievement. The law of averages says you'll fluke a decent season now and again.
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We can only dream of fluking a decent season.
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The worrying thing is that while we are talking about plumbing new depths we actually sink a little further. We seem to be aiming for the seabed and not the surface.
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We struggle to fluke a decent result never mind a season.
How depressing seeing Huddersfield win 3-0 away from home in the Premier League while we get pumped by Neil Warnock's Cardiff. When did we last score 3 away from home?
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Sunderland under Sherwood. Before that I think it was the 3-2 win at Southampton in 2013.
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As bloody incompetent as Tactics was, there were some fun times. Although you could say that about Lamberk too.
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Shameful.
Bruce hasn't got a 90 minute performance out of his team for 10 months. Best performance was arguably Brighton away just a few weeks into the job. This is his team and squad and we still have no identity or style of play.
When we went 1-0 down we all knew we'd lost and that isn't right. You should still have hope and belief at only 1-0 down, my only thought was we'll lose this 2 or 3 nil. Not for a second did I think we'd get back into the game. When we go 1-0 up we're thinking 'we'll sit back and they'll score'. That is the only pattern to our games, concede first and lose or score first and then sit back and try and win 1-0. Predictable, boring and simply not good enough.
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We aren't cursed. We are just poorly managed.
Has anyone said we're cursed, though?
Dorset villan above .
We are not cursed but we do have players who seem unable to cope with the expectations at Villa Park
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Surely to fuck Wyness and Xia can see we are not improving under Bruce?
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The whole of the championship can see we are not improving and that's why we are becoming easy pickings.
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We have lost every away game under Bruce in which we have conceeded first, the total is 11 games, there hasn't been a single time in any of those games when we have even got the scores back level at any point.
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Shameful.
Bruce hasn't got a 90 minute performance out of his team for 10 months. Best performance was arguably Brighton away just a few weeks into the job. This is his team and squad and we still have no identity or style of play.
When we went 1-0 down we all knew we'd lost and that isn't right. You should still have hope and belief at only 1-0 down, my only thought was we'll lose this 2 or 3 nil. Not for a second did I think we'd get back into the game. When we go 1-0 up we're thinking 'we'll sit back and they'll score'. That is the only pattern to our games, concede first and lose or score first and then sit back and try and win 1-0. Predictable, boring and simply not good enough.
Speaking of patterns, ours is as follows: start off lively, if limited, fail to convert chances/take a slender lead, tire, fade, let in goals. I would say this is us over the last five years or so!
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Warnock took over Cardiff in the same week that Bruce came to us. Bruce has spent more, but which one of the two has made more progress?
Today was awful. We were bullied, out-thought, out- witted from start to finish.
No-one on here would have wanted Warnock but the proof''s in the pudding. He has improved them, Bruce hasn't done the same.
This is Warnock's level, he knows the league inside out. The same Warnock that turned around bloody Rotherham's fortunes when they were rooted at the bottom of the league and not a penny to spend a couple of years ago.
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We have lost every away game under Bruce in which we have conceeded first, the total is 11 games, there hasn't been a single time in any of those games when we have even got the scores back level at any point.
Have we even scored in any of those games? I'm not sure we have?
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What is really shocking is how out of shape and unfit we look. There's no excuse for that.
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What is really shocking is how out of shape and unfit we look. There's no excuse for that.
Feels like we've been saying that for years.
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What is really shocking is how out of shape and unfit we look. There's no excuse for that.
That's not because players are unfit as individuals it's due to poor formation, noddy tactics and generally being overrun by "superior" opposition coaching styles.
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Do we have a helpline number for people who have been mentally traumatized by this thread?
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What is really shocking is how out of shape and unfit we look. There's no excuse for that.
That's not because players are unfit as individuals it's due to poor formation, noddy tactics and generally being overrun by "superior" opposition coaching styles.
Yep, the midfield is just a mess defensively and offensively,someone explain what they are trying to do, we surrender territory and then have to run all over the place to plug gaps, we give up the ball so easily we are always having to chase space.
In the end you get pretty knackered.
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With the players we have, we should not be losing 3-0 to anyone in this division, its as simple as that. Anyone who is in charge of this Villa team and suffering a defeat like that, should not be in a job anymore.
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Colin Calderwood, we are coached by this has-been?.
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What is really shocking is how out of shape and unfit we look. There's no excuse for that.
Feels like we've been saying that for years.
Up there with
"Why cant we improve our midfield?"
"Oh god the new manager thinks Gabby is the answer."
"Do we even practise throw ins?"
"Out for the season, he got injured at BodyMoor."
"Baker head injury."
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We started brightly enough but it turned to shit not long after. It was awful.
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We sarted brightly enough but it turned to shit not long after. It was awful.
If Hogan had of put that early chance away we may have won the bloody game because we started really well. There's no excuse really though because after that we were quite frankly a disgrace. The only bright spot was Onomah who looks a cut above. Why Bruce took him off is anyone's guess.
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With the players we have, we should not be losing 3-0 to anyone in this division, its as simple as that. Anyone who is in charge of this Villa team and suffering a defeat like that, should not be in a job anymore.
I find it hard to disagree with a single word of that. He has had time and money, the two things managers ask for. Last season to weigh up his squad and a pre season to strengthen the squad.
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We sarted brightly enough but it turned to shit not long after. It was awful.
If Hogan had of put that early chance away we may have won the bloody game because we started really well. There's no excuse really though because after that we were quite frankly a disgrace. The only bright spot was Onomah who looks a cut above. Why Bruce took him off is anyone's guess.
Not even sure about that, we were a shambles formation wise, it is just a matter of time for teams to work us out.
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That's 3 games in a week where we've started brightly and been much the better team for the opening 15 minutes. Surely we don't tire after 15 minutes? Are they instructed to sit back or take a breather and then we don't regain control? I just don't get it. Who is our fitness coach?
Someone mentioned Calderwood above, have we actually played well since he joined us after we played Brighton away?
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With the players we have, we should not be losing 3-0 to anyone in this division, its as simple as that. Anyone who is in charge of this Villa team and suffering a defeat like that, should not be in a job anymore.
I find it hard to disagree with a single word of that. He has had time and money, the two things managers ask for. Last season to weigh up his squad and a pre season to strengthen the squad.
I keep saying this to those who tell me he needs time. Bottom line is it's his team, he's had money and still it's still no different.
I had to laugh last week when he was bleating about money for players as he's spent loads.
We've supposedly bought the best players from other teams and now they look ordinary. I don't know if it's them feeling comfortable or joining a bigger club which makes them underperform.
I think the addition of Colin Calderwood has done nothing for the tactics or coaching.
All a bit depressing isn't it?
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4800 Villa fans at the match today (according to the police anyway). Absolutely bloody brilliant support. The fans are doing their bit that's for sure.
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Just imagine what travelling support we'd have if we had won more than 5 away in 44. Our support really is amazing.
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What is really shocking is how out of shape and unfit we look. There's no excuse for that.
Feels like we've been saying that for years.
Up there with
"Why cant we improve our midfield?"
"Oh god the new manager thinks Gabby is the answer."
"Do we even practise throw ins?"
"Out for the season, he got injured at BodyMoor."
"Baker head injury."
Bodymoor Heath is one of the finest training facilities a professional footballer can ask for. That it produces a succession of shite footballers is a huge headscratcher.
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It was the issue for me watching the end of last season, free hit to try expansive football or different ideas as we weren't going up or down and it was just the same old shit. That's when I really wanted him gone. Then the pre-season games were the same old shit. And now the competitive games are still the same old shit. I don't see one thing better now than the day he walked in. We still look like a fragile disjointed mess that plays shit football and struggles to win without Kod and Jedi.
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I think that pre season game against Walsall was one of the worst games I've seen us play. There were loads of fans insisting it was just for fitness but those players didn't have a clue what they were doing.
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This is the point, you can not help thinking back to that article " I don't do tactics me"
And think he really is just a chancer, just like Sherwood without the charisma but just a bit more consistent.
He assembles squads, chucks players together and hopes for the best.
Maybe he got lucky before.
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Now can we stop kidding ourselves about the state of the team and some of the players involved.
Alan Hutton, terrible, given another years contract, another half a million down the drain when we have younger, better players. He puts a shift in they say...... so fucking what, if that's the only requirement now to playing for us then you can be certain we aren't going up any time soon. Way below the standard required, positionally one of the worst footballers I've seen at Villa.
Agbonlahor. Finished. Has been finished for half a decade. Dug up from his slovenly grave because Bruce is a dinosaur. Has lost most of the only asset he had, a bit of pace.
Scott Hogan. Sold down the river with this guy. He runs about a bit but has no presence up front. Hasn't finished any of the half chances he's had. Doesn't seem to have any attributes. We overpaid by about £10m if he was the £12m quoted. In the right team he might score goals but it's nothing that resembles the slow, ambling, pensioner like side we have.
Glenn Whelan. Now I'm sure he has qualities, Stoke fans love him but he's on the way down, another player signed when he's on a swansong and no doubt the desire and drive are on the wane. He's slow, he's poor on the ball, the exact two qualities we already have in abundance throughout the squad. Another player not required.
The team as a whole lacks anyone who can beat a man, lacks pace, lacks movement and drive.
It's a fucking rabble. Today was much worse than expected. How many times have we been outplayed under Bruce compared to times when we've outplayed other clubs? Bruce is on borrowed time, the transfer policy has been haphazard and yet again we find ourselves in a position where we have no idea how we are going to score against sides, or even put them under intense pressure.
This shit show of Bruce's will be over before October is out and we will have to rebuild, again, only this time we will have no money at all to do it, FFP, we're fucked because of it and will have to rely on clever signings, bringing our own players through or developing what we have off the pitch. Things we have become lazy at.
We are in massive trouble.
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Pre season worried me aswell. I agree that you can't really judge results, however the performances were exactly what we'd seen last season and nothing has changed. The football was predictable, slow, laboured and boring. That's the way Bruce plays and if you're grinding out 1-0 wins you can kind of let it slide but when you're very rarely winning games all of those things will be used as negative things to beat you with.
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I think that pre season game against Walsall was one of the worst games I've seen us play. There were loads of fans insisting it was just for fitness but those players didn't have a clue what they were doing.
The problem for me with this game was that i'd shut off from all things Villa since the Brighton game and had mustered up some optimism ahead of the new season over that few weeks, this was my first friendly and while i appreciate the results in friendlies are not the most important thing, I was still expecting to see some signs of progression and leave with some excitement for the season ahead, by 25 minutes I remembered why I was bored fuckless of Villa and was more interested in the aeroplanes on the approach to Birmingham airport than the game.
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It was the issue for me watching the end of last season, free it to try expansive football or different ideas as we weren't going up or down and it was just the same old shit. That's when I really wanted him gone. Then the pre-season games were the same old shit. And now the competitive games are still the same old shit. I don't see one thing better now than the day he walked in. We still look like a fragile disjointed mess that plays shit football and struggles to win without Kod and Jedi.
Absolutely. The thing I find the most frustrating though is that people who want him to stay constantly shift the goalposts. After the new manager bounce we had a shit December and it was just a case of getting new players in January, then we carried on struggling and it was about them settling, then we had a decent run and everything went quiet before the collapse towards the end of the season and then Bruce needed a pre-season to get them properly fit. As that pre-season progressed it was all about the proper games and now "it's only 2/3 games we can't judge him yet". As I've said before I'd love to know what the tipping point is for these people because most of them also said that 10 points from 11 games last year meant Bruce had an impossible job to get the playoffs last season so do we wait until it's too late for a replacement to be able to salvage things or do we accept that it's just not going to work and get on with finding a replacement?
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I try not to single out players in a shitty performance, but Hourihane played so badly at Bescot he looked like he was on the Walsall payroll. This was a player who was one of the most effective players in the league before we signed him. The common factor is Bruce - he manages through strong personalities and that's why he overpays for mediocrity. That's also why he signs over the hill players, because he doesn't have to mother them. He'll splurge what cash we're able to spend on Abel Hernandez because he knows him. Did you see that fake picture of Hugo Rodallega signing for Villa last week? I wouldn't have been remotely surprised if it had turned out to be real.
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aj2k.
I think you are right, deep shit.
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Alan Hutton, terrible, given another years contract, another half a million down the drain when we have younger, better players. He puts a shift in they say...... so fucking what, if that's the only requirement now to playing for us then you can be certain we aren't going up any time soon. Way below the standard required, positionally one of the worst footballers I've seen at Villa.
Agbonlahor. Finished. Has been finished for half a decade. Dug up from his slovenly grave because Bruce is a dinosaur. Has lost most of the only asset he had, a bit of pace.
Totally agree.
How many other clubs would be persisting with a 'striker' who had delivered 14 goals over the last five seasons?
Agbonlahor is not the only waster (see Hutton), but fuck me, if that's not a damning indictment of our pathetic acceptance of rubbish over half a decade, then I don't know what is.
How many other clubs would be starting with him up front?
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Hutton - SHIT
Gabby - SHIT
Lansbury - SHIT
Adomah - SHIT
Only Chester, Onomah, O Hare looked like professional footballers out there.
Favourites to win the league? You're having a fucking laugh.
Can't Pass, Can't Attack, Can't Cross.
If the highlights are any kind of guide, Chester looked to have an absolute horror show. Soft as shite in physical exchanges and a huge gap between himself and Terry. Probably not comfortable at right sided centre back.
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Alan Hutton, terrible, given another years contract, another half a million down the drain when we have younger, better players. He puts a shift in they say...... so fucking what, if that's the only requirement now to playing for us then you can be certain we aren't going up any time soon. Way below the standard required, positionally one of the worst footballers I've seen at Villa.
Agbonlahor. Finished. Has been finished for half a decade. Dug up from his slovenly grave because Bruce is a dinosaur. Has lost most of the only asset he had, a bit of pace.
Totally agree.
How many other clubs would be persisting with a 'striker' who had delivered 14 goals over the last five seasons?
Agbonlahor is not the only waster (see Hutton), but fuck me, if that's not a damning indictment of our pathetic acceptance of rubbish over half a decade, then I don't know what is.
How many other clubs would be starting with him up front?
Wasn't Bruce making noises about him earning a new deal last week?
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Gap? Terry is not even in the frame for their first and appears in the box as they start celebrating.
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Imagine spending how much money we have and still having Gabby as a starter up front. Embarrassing. He'll dine out on that goal against Hull now until we play Small Heath.
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Unacceptable again.
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When Bacuna signs for reading at gets in the playoffs....
Wow!
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Just got round to watching the goals and cannot quite believe how open we were. In a number of the clips Cardiff were clearing the ball and next thing were one on one with our defenders in our box. By the time the second and third went in it just looked like they had given up.
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Unless we are at least 2-up in the first 20 mins we will not win a game.
Steve Round should be on the next plane to Lille to secure our next manager.
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When Bacuna signs for reading at gets in the playoffs....
Wow!
If the deal is done in time, what odds on him scoring midweek?
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Steve Round should be on the next plane to Lille to secure our next manager.
Sadly, I fear that ship has sailed. That article Tom put up the other day is still haunting me.
Just like under Lerner when we were chasing Roberto Martinez then went and got McLeish, how the hell can you go chasing Wagner and end up with Steve Bruce? They're from different fooking planets.
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Our whole row of seats had duplicate tickets, so literally 2 people per seat. At least I couldn't see that clearly what was unfolding on the pitch!
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What is it that makes players, coaches, managers with hitherto solid and in some cases exciting reputations, curl up and die as soon as they come to our great club? It's not as if ''it's the fans lofty expectations at Villa Park''. Our away form, freed from most of us demanding supporters, is a scandal.
There can't be any other club in the world that has had such a wretched decade as us.
I feel sorry for anyone on here who's had babbies in the last seven years and been repeatedly embarassed in attempts to cajole their offspring into following us. A whole new generation of Villa fans being wiped-out.
Maybe our vision will be 2020 in three years time and the club will finally be able to see clearly.
My mates son is 12. He's had a season ticket since he was 5 The highlight of his 7 years following the Villa is a semi final win! It's such a shame.
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What is it that makes players, coaches, managers with hitherto solid and in some cases exciting reputations, curl up and die as soon as they come to our great club? It's not as if ''it's the fans lofty expectations at Villa Park''. Our away form, freed from most of us demanding supporters, is a scandal.
There can't be any other club in the world that has had such a wretched decade as us.
I feel sorry for anyone on here who's had babbies in the last seven years and been repeatedly embarassed in attempts to cajole their offspring into following us. A whole new generation of Villa fans being wiped-out.
Maybe our vision will be 2020 in three years time and the club will finally be able to see clearly.
My mates son is 12. He's had a season ticket since he was 5 The highlight of his 7 years following the Villa is a semi final win! It's such a shame.
Poor lad. One of the worst times to support the Villa probably.
I was born three months after Rotterdam and started supporting the club properly from around 1992, so have been lucky to live through the BFR and Little years, and to a lesser, but still poignant extent, those of Gregory and O'Neil. Which I enjoyed on the whole.
Anything after that has been a struggle, to put it lightly.
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Now can we stop kidding ourselves about the state of the team and some of the players involved.
Alan Hutton, terrible, given another years contract, another half a million down the drain when we have younger, better players. He puts a shift in they say...... so fucking what, if that's the only requirement now to playing for us then you can be certain we aren't going up any time soon. Way below the standard required, positionally one of the worst footballers I've seen at Villa.
Agbonlahor. Finished. Has been finished for half a decade. Dug up from his slovenly grave because Bruce is a dinosaur. Has lost most of the only asset he had, a bit of pace.
Scott Hogan. Sold down the river with this guy. He runs about a bit but has no presence up front. Hasn't finished any of the half chances he's had. Doesn't seem to have any attributes. We overpaid by about £10m if he was the £12m quoted. In the right team he might score goals but it's nothing that resembles the slow, ambling, pensioner like side we have.
Glenn Whelan. Now I'm sure he has qualities, Stoke fans love him but he's on the way down, another player signed when he's on a swansong and no doubt the desire and drive are on the wane. He's slow, he's poor on the ball, the exact two qualities we already have in abundance throughout the squad. Another player not required.
The team as a whole lacks anyone who can beat a man, lacks pace, lacks movement and drive.
It's a fucking rabble. Today was much worse than expected. How many times have we been outplayed under Bruce compared to times when we've outplayed other clubs? Bruce is on borrowed time, the transfer policy has been haphazard and yet again we find ourselves in a position where we have no idea how we are going to score against sides, or even put them under intense pressure.
This shit show of Bruce's will be over before October is out and we will have to rebuild, again, only this time we will have no money at all to do it, FFP, we're fucked because of it and will have to rely on clever signings, bringing our own players through or developing what we have off the pitch. Things we have become lazy at.
We are in massive trouble.
Sadly I have to agree with all of that. And we're waiting for the return of Jedinak who's a great battler but once again painfully slow.
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Warnock is a fucking football dinosaur.
I guess that makes Bruce primordial slime?
That made me laugh 😂
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What is it that makes players, coaches, managers with hitherto solid and in some cases exciting reputations, curl up and die as soon as they come to our great club? It's not as if ''it's the fans lofty expectations at Villa Park''. Our away form, freed from most of us demanding supporters, is a scandal.
There can't be any other club in the world that has had such a wretched decade as us.
I feel sorry for anyone on here who's had babbies in the last seven years and been repeatedly embarassed in attempts to cajole their offspring into following us. A whole new generation of Villa fans being wiped-out.
Maybe our vision will be 2020 in three years time and the club will finally be able to see clearly.
My mates son is 12. He's had a season ticket since he was 5 The highlight of his 7 years following the Villa is a semi final win! It's such a shame.
I've got three boys and the eldest is 9. They're downstairs watching MOTD now. A matter if time before one of them starts asking for a red shirt.
It's not really a shock to see so many gloryhunter children around Brum
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We have lost every away game under Bruce in which we have conceeded first, the total is 11 games, there hasn't been a single time in any of those games when we have even got the scores back level at any point.
Wow. That's a damning statistic.
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What is really shocking is how out of shape and unfit we look. There's no excuse for that.
Yes there is. We had the most apathetic pre season in living memory.
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First two league games and both opposition teams have just powered through our midfield for long periods exposing our ageing defence. I no longer think Bruce is going to take us up but as we are probably stuck with him I'd like to see Bree at right back, Jedi and Josh screening the defence with 3 flair players supporting the striker - Hourihane Green O Hare maybe - Kodjia is a huge miss so Hogan will have to do the lone striker role for now.
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He must go and now
When he arrived I thought he was the right man for the job but we are getting worse not better. The team still does not look cohesive and balanced. For me you have to look at who is coaching them an average centre half and an even more average centre midfielder. Perhaps Bruce's success in the past has been linked to backroom staff no longer with him?
When I watch us we seem to have one plan overlapping fullbacks and that's about it. We don't play to our strengths how can hogan go from scoring so many at Brentford to looking lost at villa. We don't have patterns of play.
Finally as many have said how the likes of gabby Hutton can stay in the team even above the kids is staggering. They are proven failures for years and cannot be anymore than squad players. Also what the hell is Micah Richards doing? It's frightening the money this club has wasted.
He has to go and we must bring in a coach who will get the best out of the players as Bruce has had enough time not perhaps to have the finished article but certainly to have is improved.
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What is it that makes players, coaches, managers with hitherto solid and in some cases exciting reputations, curl up and die as soon as they come to our great club? It's not as if ''it's the fans lofty expectations at Villa Park''. Our away form, freed from most of us demanding supporters, is a scandal.
There can't be any other club in the world that has had such a wretched decade as us.
I feel sorry for anyone on here who's had babbies in the last seven years and been repeatedly embarassed in attempts to cajole their offspring into following us. A whole new generation of Villa fans being wiped-out.
Maybe our vision will be 2020 in three years time and the club will finally be able to see clearly.
My mates son is 12. He's had a season ticket since he was 5 The highlight of his 7 years following the Villa is a semi final win! It's such a shame.
Poor lad. One of the worst times to support the Villa probably.
I was born three months after Rotterdam and started supporting the club properly from around 1992, so have been lucky to live through the BFR and Little years, and to a lesser, but still poignant extent, those of Gregory and O'Neil. Which I enjoyed on the whole.
Anything after that has been a struggle, to put it lightly.
Yes, I think SGT, BFR and Little spoilt me a bit. Open, attractive, attacking, winning football for a decent or prolonged period of time. SGT got us promoted, kept us up, and then almost won the league. BFR gave us 3 good seasons and Little gave us 2.
How often have we had periods that could be described as above since. Gregory gave us about a year when he first came, 2 half seasons botched together, O Leary (in fairness) gave us 1 season in his first and O Neill gave us about 18 months from the start of his second season to halfway through his third (although we continued to largely win afterwards but the football was dull).
So that's about 3 1/2 really pleasurable years in nearly 20.
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is Mr Potato Head still with us?
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is Mr Potato Head still with us?
Yeah. I wish he'd just Buzz off!
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Blimey, just how bad was Chester.
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is Mr Potato Head still with us?
Yeah. I wish he'd just Buzz off!
But woody though?
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The Cardiff lad who scored two of their goals is a Villa fan, apparently. Funny fucking way of showing it.
According to the Birmingham Mail he's one of theirs.
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is Mr Potato Head still with us?
Yeah. I wish he'd just Buzz off!
But woody though?
To infinity and beyond hopefully
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He's not flying with style, he's falling. Plummeting.
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They are sad, strange little team and they have my pity.
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Same shit different season
I've read that book!