Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 26, 2017, 03:03:50 PM
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One of my favs.
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Mrs Tayls thought he was divs. She got quite giddy when he was introduced to the crowd at halftime against Liverpool. Even from 50yds she could see he was a dish. She also used to holler for Ginola's introduction when he was a perpetual bench warmer. Silly old bat.
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I loved that bloke. Despite huge and obvious competition, I'd go so far to say he's probably my favourite Villa striker.
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When he scored the 3rd vs Cov from 2-0 down.....oh baby.
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When he scored the 3rd vs Cov from 2-0 down.....oh baby.
Yeah. That was Merson.
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By the time Lerner and O'Neill came in Angel was over 30 and had lost a step for this level, by the time we had started challenging for things he was long gone. It's often been thought during the Lerner/O'Neill regime that we was one top striker away from definitely breaking into that top 4 and beyond. If only Juan-Pablo Angel had been a few years younger when they did arrive in convinced we would have achieved the targets and things would be a lot different now. Angel in his prime in a good team would have been special.
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When my son was working in New York he went to a Red Bulls game. He started a one man "One Pablo Angel" chant. JPA came to the touchline, pointed to my lad and saluted him. Loved him to bits.
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When he scored the 3rd vs Cov from 2-0 down.....oh baby.
Yeah. That was Merson.
He didn't say our third. 😉
JPA - I loved him.
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When did we go from players like Angel, Mellberg and Laursen absolutely loving the club to bits and clearly doing so long after they've left, to having a bunch of absolute wasters who couldn't give a toss?
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Had some well publicised issues settling here and struggled at times, but he had a few spells when he was very good. Had it all really, mobile, good in the air, could hold the ball up and scored goals.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C9TFZzMJXCs
The Chelsea goal.
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I'm trying to think of another striker that almost always surgically put the ball in the corner of the net. Great skill and technique.
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Love JPA.
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We've had better strikers but very few had that connection with the crowd JPA did probably due to the circumstances in which he was signed.
Mind you some of the threads we had about him on here in the early days. Very few players since that divided people like Angel did.
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Nail on head Riss. How did we go from JPA to Ireland and Gueye?
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Memories of happier times. Top bloke
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Loved JPA too, just for the extra bit of flair and class he had as well as his genuine respect for us. He took a bit of stick for his Ryu champion on here and the double bogey of missing two penos at Fulham and scoring an OG and taking a weird corner against Spurs but when a combo of him, Merse, and later Nobby Solano and Henders were on the same wavelength, we looked the dog's doughnuts.
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Nail on head Riss. How did we go from JPA to Ireland and Gueye?
Stephen fucking Ireland! You could put two defibrillator paddles on a a breezeblock and get more life out of it than we ever got from Ireland.
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Love JPA. Never understood Martin O'Neill methods. I would have Angel playing with Carew upfront and Ashley Young and the Weazel Downing feeding them crosses with Merson as playmaker. It is a heaven. Ditto for Paul Lambert for not developing Benteke and Bent Partnership.
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Nail on head Riss. How did we go from JPA to Ireland and Gueye?
Not quite right. Didn't we go from JPA to Baros and then to Carew?
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Loved him as a player and was sad to see him leave however all that changed when I met him.
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I felt exactly the same about Charlie Aitken.
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Loved him as a player and was sad to see him leave however all that changed when I met him.
Sounds intriguing olaftab. Do tell.
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I like the way JPA says "this is a great opportunity to all come together and rebuild with a plan" - hmmmm.
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When he scored the 3rd vs Cov from 2-0 down.....oh baby.
Yeah. That was Merson.
He didn't say our third. 😉
JPA - I loved him.
Thanks Percy ;-)
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By the time Lerner and O'Neill came in Angel was over 30 and had lost a step for this level, by the time we had started challenging for things he was long gone. It's often been thought during the Lerner/O'Neill regime that we was one top striker away from definitely breaking into that top 4 and beyond. If only Juan-Pablo Angel had been a few years younger when they did arrive in convinced we would have achieved the targets and things would be a lot different now. Angel in his prime in a good team would have been special.
He'd have never been an O'Neill player
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I felt exactly the same about Charlie Aitken.
I've met him, I thought he was smashing.
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I always felt it was a shame that his time here never really came along with Big John Carew. They could have been a very good pairing. I also felt we never quite had the manager that could get the best out of certain flair players we had. Gregory's style became turgid. O Leary lacked ideas and O Neill was pure counter attack. SGT, I suppose like O Neill favoured a direct big man little man combo, and so JPA didn't really gel with his side. I mean when Sir Graham came back here, he didn't take long to drop our top scorer and big Dion was the main man the following season.
There were times though, when Angel played some absolutely lovely stuff with the likes of Merson, Hendrie and Solano. More cultured managers might have had us playing more consistently great stuff. But then again, nothing has changed in that regard. Our managers in many ways have fit into a couple of types really. You've got the O Neill, McLeish, Bruce type, then the Dolly, Lambert, Timmeh type. Then there was Houllier and Remi who were different. In the first, it didn't quite work, even though some seedlings were put in place, and in the latter it was the absolute worst time, and someone without the required character to take on the task.
On his day though JPA was a lovely player to watch. When we played to his strengths. When Vassell was up alongside him it helped too as Darius would use his pace in the channels and allow Japes a bit more space. Pablo missed him when we sold him to City. But yeah, I do often wonder how he and Carew would have played together, and would there have been as crowd pleasing a twosome up front? Both had such a wonderful affinity with the fans. Probably my two favourites post Deano/Dalo (Dwight was better but his departure soils things a bit).
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By the time Lerner and O'Neill came in Angel was over 30 and had lost a step for this level, by the time we had started challenging for things he was long gone. It's often been thought during the Lerner/O'Neill regime that we was one top striker away from definitely breaking into that top 4 and beyond. If only Juan-Pablo Angel had been a few years younger when they did arrive in convinced we would have achieved the targets and things would be a lot different now. Angel in his prime in a good team would have been special.
He'd have never been an O'Neill player
Ironically I think he was playing well for O Neill as the centre of a 3 man attack with Gabby and Luke either side. It was when Luke got injured and we went 4-4-FUCKING-2 that JPA then became surplus, and Sutton then became the stop gap until O Neill could get Big John. When O Leary had left it felt like JPA's time was done, but he started O Neill's season quite promisingly. We played okay football too initially. When we went from 3 in midfield to the flat 4, things become a lot more "O Neill" and we struggling in the middle of that season before the Jan window refresh.
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Knee and ankle injuries put the kybosh on his chances of building on that outstanding 03/04 season.
Never looked the same player, always a yard or two off the pace after that. The JPA of 03/04 playing alongside Carew could have been interesting. The JPA of 06/07 wouldn't have been a whole pile of use, in all honesty.
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http://youtu.be/XhXzD9VB1o0
Free flowing football remembered
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Loved him as a player and was sad to see him leave however all that changed when I met him.
Sounds intriguing olaftab. Do tell.
C'mon olaftab, what happened?
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Like father like son- little Geronimo Angel
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Loved him as a player and was sad to see him leave however all that changed when I met him.
Sounds intriguing olaftab. Do tell.
C'mon olaftab, what happened?
Some years ago I was staying at the Radisson hotel in Liverpool. It was a night of Chanpions League match Liverpool v Galatasaray. At about 10.30 pm I noticed Galatasaray team coach arrive as they were staying at the hotel and players etc started drifting into the reception area. And there stood Angel laughing and joking with their players. Apparently their goal keeper, a fellow Colombian, was his best friend. A few minutes later I noticed Angel on his own and went up to say a word. So I said being a Villa fan I was very pleased to see him and stuck my hand out. He listened to me with a state of shock on his face and refused to shake my hand and turned away to join a huddle with some other people. I stood there like a lemon😥
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One good season aside I thought he was poor overall. I doubt he would do much in the Championship team.
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One good season aside I thought he was poor overall. I doubt he would do much in the Championship team.
Agree on that.
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As I said at the time some of the posters who joined this board less than 10 years ago wouldn't believe some of the debates we used to have about him.
Can't think of too many Villa players since who've divided this forum like he did.
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One good season aside I thought he was poor overall. I doubt he would do much in the Championship team.
Agree on that.
Agreed, he had a cracking season when he needed a new contract or a move (he got the new contract). Needless to say he was pretty average after signing. Seems like a nice chap but not a Villa legend
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Even if you didn't rate him, surely you'd have to concede he had two good seasons - his first full one when he scored 16 goals or so and in O'Dreary's first when he got 23.
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Even if you didn't rate him, surely you'd have to concede he had two good seasons - his first full one when he scored 16 goals or so and in O'Dreary's first when he got 23.
He did, but for me that second season was bitter sweet. Peter Crouch was beginning to find his feet when he came from Norwich on loan, but was struggling for opportunities due to Angel's form.
We ended up selling a player on the rise, and keeping Angel who subsequently did fuck all again.
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One good season aside I thought he was poor overall. I doubt he would do much in the Championship team.
Agree on that.
Agreed, he had a cracking season when he needed a new contract or a move (he got the new contract). Needless to say he was pretty average after signing. Seems like a nice chap but not a Villa legend
Spot on, not quite right for the English league, where to become a success you have to possess incredible pace, outstanding ball skills or work your balls off, JPA didn't quite tick those boxes.
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He was always a favourite of mine, had he truly played in a good team i think he would have risen with it, instead he played in mostly pretty poor teams tbf.
I used to enjoy watching highlights of his games in the MLS when he moved to America and he absolutely tore that league apart. Which is to be expected I suppose.