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Title: The very final Press-ing
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2017, 10:02:31 PM
http://thebirminghampress.com/2017/05/trying-not-to-look-back-in-anger/
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: Whiney MacWhineface on May 14, 2017, 10:12:44 PM
Yup
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 14, 2017, 10:27:09 PM
No arguments with that.  Our away form just woeful.
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Post by: clash city rocker on May 14, 2017, 10:31:17 PM
Totally agree about Taylor Dave.  A bloody bargain compared with the others.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 14, 2017, 11:23:43 PM
As I've said before about your articles Dave, I hope the people who run our football club, read them. Another balanced piece and I agree with every word. Amavi, if only.
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: DeKuip on May 14, 2017, 11:39:14 PM
A good read and is pretty much in line with my own feelings on the season.
I don't know about the rest of you but I'm just looking forward to a summer where I can shut off from the Villa, and give my head a break from football.
When was the last time we faced a summer not having to constantly be checking for updates on who the new manager would be, or even the next owner - and no Euros or World Cup either!
Marvellous.
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: The Edge on May 15, 2017, 08:23:13 AM
Good read and I can't disagree with any of it. The point about players careers seeming to end once they arrive at Villa Park is very true and very puzzling. What causes it? Size of the club? Bloated salaries? The coaching staff? Who knows. But if I was Tony Xia and it was my money being pissed down the drain I'd be demanding answers from all those responsible including the players themselves. First thing he should consider is a more reward based contract for players and coaching staff alike.
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2017, 09:06:09 AM
Totally agree about Taylor Dave.  A bloody bargain compared with the others.
I just don't get what people see in Amavi. From what I've seen of both Taylor and Amavi, I would say Taylor has more ability.

Amavi would  be one I'd be looking to cash in on ASAP, use the money to rebuild.

I feel Bruce has until October. If we're not in the top 2 (or very close) I can see Tony pulling the trigger.
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: DB on May 15, 2017, 10:51:52 AM
Spot on Dave
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Post by: ldavfc4eva on May 15, 2017, 07:02:43 PM
In a season of inconsistency this column has been consistently accurate and a good read. Thanks for the reading material Dave.
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Post by: frank on May 15, 2017, 09:17:55 PM
Good article, Dave - another very perceptive analysis.
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Post by: Pete3206 on May 15, 2017, 09:33:48 PM
Perfect summary of the wretchedness.
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: Diablo on May 16, 2017, 01:39:29 AM
Thanks once again for the informative, insightful and balanced articles throughout the season Dave. Essential (public service care in the community type) shizzle!
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: DB on May 16, 2017, 08:48:33 AM
Lowest position since 1974. That really does hammer it home
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: Nelson Lodge on May 16, 2017, 10:50:06 AM
As an old timer now the reference to 1974 is interesting. In came Ron Saunders in the summer, funds were limited, he bought just 2 players, Frank Carrodus and Leighton Phillips. Drilled the squad relentlessly, and by late November things really started to click, with Keith Leonard and Bobby McDonald coming into the team in December. In essence a previously under performing set of players had been transformed into a formaidlsble team by good management and coaching. Achieved without chucking money at the problem. Shows how things can be turned around quite quickly if the right people are in the right places.

A Promotion and League Cup double followed that same season.
Wouldn't mind the same again next season.
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 16, 2017, 12:26:38 PM
As an old timer now the reference to 1974 is interesting. In came Ron Saunders in the summer, funds were limited, he bought just 2 players, Frank Carrodus and Leighton Phillips. Drilled the squad relentlessly, and by late November things really started to click, with Keith Leonard and Bobby McDonald coming into the team in December. In essence a previously under performing set of players had been transformed into a formaidlsble team by good management and coaching. Achieved without chucking money at the problem. Shows how things can be turned around quite quickly if the right people are in the right places.

A Promotion and League Cup double followed that same season.
Wouldn't mind the same again next season.
Except we have Steve Bruce not Ron Saunders.
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: old man villa fan on May 16, 2017, 12:53:54 PM
Good read and I can't disagree with any of it. The point about players careers seeming to end once they arrive at Villa Park is very true and very puzzling. What causes it? Size of the club? Bloated salaries? The coaching staff? Who knows. But if I was Tony Xia and it was my money being pissed down the drain I'd be demanding answers from all those responsible including the players themselves. First thing he should consider is a more reward based contract for players and coaching staff alike.

No clear ambition and direction has filtered through all levels of the Club. There appears to be a lack of enthusiasm to do anything other than continuing doing the same and sailing on hopefully.

We have a broken football club but lack bold decisions to give us a fighting chance of getting back to top 8 in the PL within 5 years.
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 16, 2017, 01:25:25 PM
Good read and I can't disagree with any of it. The point about players careers seeming to end once they arrive at Villa Park is very true and very puzzling. What causes it? Size of the club? Bloated salaries? The coaching staff? Who knows. But if I was Tony Xia and it was my money being pissed down the drain I'd be demanding answers from all those responsible including the players themselves. First thing he should consider is a more reward based contract for players and coaching staff alike.

No clear ambition and direction has filtered through all levels of the Club. There appears to be a lack of enthusiasm to do anything other than continuing doing the same and sailing on hopefully.

We have a broken football club but lack bold decisions to give us a fighting chance of getting back to top 8 in the PL within 5 years.
The Lerner hangover is going to take some shifting.
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: Diablo on May 16, 2017, 02:46:40 PM
Good read and I can't disagree with any of it. The point about players careers seeming to end once they arrive at Villa Park is very true and very puzzling. What causes it? Size of the club? Bloated salaries? The coaching staff? Who knows. But if I was Tony Xia and it was my money being pissed down the drain I'd be demanding answers from all those responsible including the players themselves. First thing he should consider is a more reward based contract for players and coaching staff alike.

No clear ambition and direction has filtered through all levels of the Club. There appears to be a lack of enthusiasm to do anything other than continuing doing the same and sailing on hopefully.

We have a broken football club but lack bold decisions to give us a fighting chance of getting back to top 8 in the PL within 5 years.
The Lerner hangover is going to take some shifting.

The air of malaise is pungent.
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on May 27, 2017, 09:29:56 PM
This bunch of players is far better than 1974. Bruce has a summer to mould them into a team. Dr Tone won't get rid of him quickly though. Too much upheaval has gone before. He will be allowed the season.
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: brian green on May 28, 2017, 07:22:34 AM
But are they a "better" squad than 1974?  They cost a lot of money and they came with big reputations but price tags and reputations don't win games or top tables.  A player is what he does on the field of play.  Our players have to deliver.  They have to want to win and to win to be considered better players.
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 29, 2017, 04:34:27 PM
To be better players they have to be used better by the manager and not used as auxiliary defenders for most of the game.

Hope you're okay, Brian. I was shocked to read your article in the last fanzine of the season.
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: brian green on May 29, 2017, 07:36:42 PM
I am fine Dave, thanks for asking.
Title: Re: The very final Press-ing
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 31, 2017, 09:15:04 PM
No Probs, Brian.

Perhaps it was all the excitement of Brucie Football that tipped you over the edge...
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