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Title: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: Ivo Stas on May 05, 2017, 09:51:05 PM
Clearing out the attic, I came across a box of 90s books including one by a certain Mr Andy Gray...

Flat Back Four: The Tactical Game

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/cka/Flat-Back-Four-Tactics-Football-Andy-Gray/0752211943 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/cka/Flat-Back-Four-Tactics-Football-Andy-Gray/0752211943)

...as I recall (I read it once, almost 20 years ago) it was a good read. I do remember that I was playing right-back weekly in an 11-a-side workplace team at the time and it did improve my positioning and taught me what the four or five passing options I should be choosing from were, etc.
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: nigel on May 05, 2017, 09:58:42 PM
Would have been interesting had he decided to stay on, with BFR, as our assistant manager instead of going to Sky.
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: Ivo Stas on May 05, 2017, 10:09:57 PM
I was given Inverting the Pyramid: The History of Football Tactics (by Jonathan Wilson) as a Christmas present some years back but it is still gathering dust on my bookshelf unread.

https://www.amazon.com/Inverting-Pyramid-History-Soccer-Tactics/dp/1568587384/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1494018506&sr=1-1&keywords=inverting+the+pyramid+the+history+of+football+tactics (https://www.amazon.com/Inverting-Pyramid-History-Soccer-Tactics/dp/1568587384/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1494018506&sr=1-1&keywords=inverting+the+pyramid+the+history+of+football+tactics)
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: curiousorange on May 05, 2017, 10:12:07 PM
I used to have a talking book called 'An Insight to the Villa' read by Gray. The only things I remember are that Gray told Big Ron to start Steve Froggat in the '92 FA Cup quarter final and was shouted down, and it sounded like he was in the middle of eating while he recorded it.
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: Ivo Stas on May 05, 2017, 10:14:30 PM
Would have been interesting had he decided to stay on, with BFR, as our assistant manager instead of going to Sky.

Andy Gray almost became Everton manager in 1997, and - according to the Independent at the time - wanted to buy Dwight Yorke off us.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-gray-shocks-everton-by-rejecting-job-1257731.html
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: eamonn on May 06, 2017, 01:55:28 AM
Yorkie to plucky but crap Everton in 1997?! On yer bike.
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: martin o`who?? on May 09, 2017, 07:47:24 AM
Dont care - still the best header of a football i`ve ever seen.
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: sid1964 on May 09, 2017, 08:39:35 AM
Fantastic centre forward - better than Withe for me.

We could do with him now, although even he would struggle with the crosses that we put in the box.
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: class-of-82 on May 09, 2017, 07:24:08 PM
Best number 9 for us in my lifetime
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: in exile on May 09, 2017, 10:29:55 PM
And mine
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 09, 2017, 10:43:37 PM
Greatest centre forward in my lifetime at the villa   Could head like a bullet
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: West Derby Villan on May 10, 2017, 10:28:44 AM
Most exciting, committed and most prolific number 9 in my Villa lifetime
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: john e on May 10, 2017, 10:55:42 AM
agree with all the above
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: class-of-82 on May 10, 2017, 06:50:03 PM
also the mind boggles at what he would be worth in his prime in todays premiership era
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: adrenachrome on May 11, 2017, 03:14:42 PM
Most exciting, committed and most prolific number 9 in my Villa lifetime

Add fearless to that list and we are approaching the truth.
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 21, 2017, 12:08:30 PM
Absolutely.

I recall a game for Everton -against Stoke, I think- where Andy already had a couple of goals and the Toffees were easing to victory. A ball went loose in the six-yard box and Gray headed it in for the hat-trick, paying no heed to the fact that he was very close to losing his head.

The goal was all that mattered to him!
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: brentastonb6 on May 22, 2017, 01:07:54 AM
In relation to trophies won with us he's totally in the shadow of Peter Withe, however as a youth in the seventies it was
" oh Andy, oh Andy, you're the greatest the Holte End say" 🎤
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 22, 2017, 06:26:35 PM
Apart from joining Villa first time round and later on Everton he made a couple of  poor  career decisions.  He could have been leading the line in Rotterdam, rather than playing away at Rotherham with Wolves
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: Pat McMahon on May 24, 2017, 02:47:59 PM
Absolutely.

I recall a game for Everton -against Stoke, I think- where Andy already had a couple of goals and the Toffees were easing to victory. A ball went loose in the six-yard box and Gray headed it in for the hat-trick, paying no heed to the fact that he was very close to losing his head.

The goal was all that mattered to him!

I loved that goal too, even though not scored for us. IIRC it was against Sunderland in the 2nd season that team won the league - from a cross by Sheedy i think.
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: Damo70 on June 11, 2017, 02:06:57 PM
I remember that goal for Everton against Sunderland on their way to the title. I also remember him scoring in what I think was an FA cup quarter final away to Notts County, again for Everton. I have never seen anyone throw their head in with a diving header so close to the ground. I'm sure his nose left an imprint on the turf. I think 'favourite player' is an age thing. At my age it was/is Peter Withe over Andy Gray.
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: wittonwarrior on June 17, 2017, 03:03:44 AM
Any chance in the crazy window that we can go out and put a bid in for Andy.
Title: Re: Andy Gray, legendary centre-forward, broadcaster and er... author
Post by: Damo70 on June 17, 2017, 02:51:06 PM
Any chance in the crazy window that we can go out and put a bid in for Andy.

I will have a word with my wife. In the course of her work she has sold him a car in the past. Although am I right in saying he has a place somewhere around the Midlands but is based in Dubai?
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