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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on April 29, 2017, 04:58:44 PM
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Utter shit
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All the shit about we have to turn up for the 8,000 fans and they put in a performance like that.
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Garbage. But it always is with Gardner and Bacuna in the team. I can't say I'll miss this after next week concludes the season. And can't say I'd miss Bruce and his shit archaic brand of football.
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So if fans can work out the outcome of playing Bacuna and Gardener, then why the fcuk can a supposedly experienced manager not ?
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Garbage. But it always is with Gardner and Bacuna in the team. I can't say I'll miss this after next week concludes the season. And can't say I'd miss Bruce and his shit archaic brand of football if he was given his marching orders.
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Lansbury on the wing..? You might as well play me there.
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Utter, utter bollocks. Will this fucking nightmare never end?
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That was a fucking abomination of a 'performance'.
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What happened to Kodjia?
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Fuck off Spud and your stupid, sleep inducing tactics.
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I'm so fed up of Bruce's shiteball, that I can't modify a post correctly.
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We're finishing off the season just like how we started it, garbage!
No chance of promotion next season, this lot won't even be in the top ten.
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Lansbury on the wing..? You might as well play me there.
With his turn of pace, I would have thought it was like watching Tony Daley all over again.
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My final radio show track was by The Horrors which seemed apt. I feel ashamed that I wanted us to lose given the BCFC result so all in all a shameful day on and off the pitch. Villa are killing me bit by bit.
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Woeful. We looked totally disinterested & clueless.
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Well done losing lads. 20 points off the playoffs, Boo.
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Unacceptable.
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We may be able to grind out some 1-0 wins, but feck me we look a disjointed mess going forward. We just look like a team of 11 individuals that have never met each other before. What the smeg do they do in training all week?
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Please, swap him fo Redknapp asap. Bruce plays more boring and hopeless than McLeish.
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Disappointing
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My final radio show track was by The Horrors which seemed apt. I feel ashamed that I wanted us to lose given the BCFC result so all in all a shameful day on and off the pitch. Villa are killing me bit by bit.
My thoughts too.
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I managed to avoid any soccerball nonsense until 10 minutes ago - & I'm bloody glad I did. I take it we were every bit as piss-poor as I expected us to be? I can't wait for Bruce's post-crap excuse-fest... ::)
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Dire. Too many poor players, being badly coached and poorly organised.
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Play-offs in a couple of seasons then, on that showing,aybe?
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absolute rubbish
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Pants.
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Back in the car with the small consolation that I'll be home in 20 minutes. Embarrassment of a performance. We're in dreamland if we think this group of players are going to be winning promotion in 12 months time. And as for those so-called Villa supporters who were actively encouraging a Blackburn victory, including cheering the goal: it's both parochial and pathetic.
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Why oh why does he keep changing from a formation that has been getting results, albeit far from convincing performances? Hourihane was out wide a few weeks ago and it was Lansbury's turn today by the sounds of it. Kodjia and Hogan together isn't working either.
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Calling most of that kick and rush would be overselling it. The bits that weren't were the sorts of unconvincing attempts at football I thought I'd left behind in the Warley Sunday League.
Shite with a capital crap.
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4 away wins all season is a joke.
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So it's fair to say that Bruce isn't exactly an ambitious manager for us to have at the moment, either in style or in what we can achieve with him. Yes, under him we might bore our way into the Premier League, but I'm not sure I'm all that excited about becoming the new Hull - and, to be honest, I have exactly 0% confidence in Bruce's ability to lay the groundwork for some exciting or modern style which would make us relevant again.
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Very tempting to write this off as an end of the season 'beach' performance. If only it were that simple. A good manager would have got a good performance today. The summer clear out should include Bruce - but it won't and yet another season will be wasted.
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According to our magical manager 'we are not good enough.'I wish I got paid as much as that to come up with ingenious stuff like that.
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Very tempting to write this off as an end of the season 'beach' performance. If only it were that simple. A good manager would have got a good performance today. The summer clear out should include Bruce - but it won't and yet another season will be wasted.
Indeed. Happy fecking days. :o
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According to our magical manager 'we are not good enough.'I wish I got paid as much as that to come up with ingenious stuff like that.
We are not good enough?
The fact is, with the financial backing he has been given, the support staff he has appointed and the time time he has had, we should be showing real signs of improvement and showing the rest of the division that we will be a force next season.
Not a fucking chance with this dinosaur in charge. Even with 2,3 or 4 additions we will be no where near the top 6 next season.
A change is needed.
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Nothing today felt right. The midfield was completely unbalanced. Gardener is nowhere near good enough, nor is Bacuna, and Lansbury isn't a winger. Hourihane was desperately poor, and so with no reliable outlets the defence kept hoofing it forward, mostly in the vague direction of the isolated Kodjia and the anonymous Hogan.
Absolute rubbish from start to finish. I'm sure BRuce will be retained, but don't expect anything better in terms of football next season if he is.
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I'm so uninterested in this team and manager that's I couldn't even be bothered to drive up and watch the match.
I don't know how anybody can back Bruce, given the pathetic performances and way he doesn't even get them to pass the ball.
Despite Bruce's shortcomings, once they are over the line, players should be able to grab a game by the scruff of the neck and do something. The fact they can't and continually churn out the same old shite says an awful lot of their motivation and application.
Promotion next year, hahahahahah
<places head in hand>
Nick
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Well done losing lads. 20 points off the playoffs, Boo.
Absolutely shocking
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How much exactly have we spent to finish mid table?
Wow about pissing money down the drain yet again
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Bruce is shot at this level. He will end up like Dave Jones, Brian McDermott, Mark Robins, Tony Mobray and all those other fancied managers who reached their glass ceiling and will never touch it again. This squad looks like it cost about three quid to put together under his crappy tactics. I'm not looking forward to yet another rude awakening in August when we get slaughtered by Sheffield United. Or Bradford. Yeah, it'll be Bradford, won't it?
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In my opinion the best January signing has been Bree and he never gets played. At the moment Bruce appears to have no idea how to use the players available to him.
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Villa fans supporting the opposition is pretty small time as well.
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I think today was far worse than anything under Lambert, Mcleish, Tim or Remi. That's how bad. Bye bye Bruce.
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I hope Dr Tone is a ruthless ****** of a boss, it's what's needed now, right now.
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Wretched. I don't see Bruce taking us up. He's a dinosaur. I'm also pissed off with these players. I know we're not the only team who can't be fucked once their season ends early, but fuck me, given how woeful we've been for years, and how often we wholesale change our asshole squad around, you'd think that players would actually think about playing for a place next season. Yeah we're in mid-table nothingness, just waiting for the season to end, but bloody hell, a little bit of pride wouldn't go amiss. No one seems to give a toss whether they're here getting paid, or get shipped somewhere else. Bunch of twats.
Get rid of Bruce. Get rid of at least a dozen of those players. Get in a decent, passionate young manager with some kind of idea about building some kind of footballing identity. Buy 4-5 solid players tops who all fit together.
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I've said before that I really wanted SB to work out but, like many others, I can see that he's not the one for our Club. Too old fashioned, no clue as to how to pick or setup a ream. If he's still in charge next season, we won't finish higher than mid table. Club need to set their sights on a good modern football Manager now and, get him in during the close season. Will then have time to get to know who he wants to keep etc. If we leave it until October/November it will be too late.
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Went today, it was shit. No more to be said really.
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Honestly, I think there is a bigger problem skulking somewhere around Bodymoor Heath.
During the last year of mismanagement, alot of coaches and training staff been "grandfathered" in and while the people responsible for putting them there might be long gone now there have to be some of their entourage hanging around and still lifting paychecks yet never have a clue on how to do the job. Bet there is lots of staff between the AM to the Tea Lady thats total fuckups but never gets reviewed of their job performance..
Bruce hinted something about that around Christmastime when he was appalled that Aston Villas first team wasn't fit to last 45 min. If the starters in one of England and Europe's biggest clubs cant last 45 min with half the season gone then someone on the training staff isn't doing their job.
Add in that players who was loaned out for the season regains brilliant form and fitness. CS and JV for example.
Meanwhile we buy good and proven players who immediately starts under-performing. There is a pattern here...but its unclear what causing this. Doubt its Steve Bruce. For all his strange tactics and odd subs, we have one of the best Squads at this level and horrible play, passing and possession. Not even Westwood is around for me to blame for that...
When Dr Tony bought this club it was evident that he wanted to build a new strong fanbase for a new Villa glory era but after watching this game like so many others this season I ask you this? How can the young generations starting to follow the game, grow to love Villa and decide to support them for life like most of us did so many years ago? What is there to rejoice about? Its not this loss, it hardly matters in the big picture, but it hasn't been much better in the games that did matter.
As an already committed fan you can be happy for every win, no matter how bad. But how can anything we seen this year win us the support of the coming generations? And with an owner in the far East...does he think what we see here today will help him sell Villa merchandise in China?
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I think Frank Lampard could do a better job than Bruce. In fact I think Frankie goes to Hollywood could do a better job than Bruce.
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When Dr Tony bought this club it was evident that he wanted to build a new strong fanbase for a new Villa glory era but after watching this game like so many others this season I ask you this? How can the young generations starting to follow the game, grow to love Villa and decide to support them for life like most of us did so many years ago? What is there to rejoice about? Its not this loss, it hardly matters in the big picture, but it hasn't been much better in the games that did matter.
As an already committed fan you can be happy for every win, no matter how bad. But how can anything we seen this year win us the support of the coming generations? And with an owner in the far East...does he think what we see here today will help him sell Villa merchandise in China?
I meant to post something about this a few weeks ago. My family are Villa through and through, however I was recently informed that my 2 nephews are too embarrassed to wear Villa colours at school and now turn up for football training wearing Bayern Munich kits. I joke about blaming the parents but it's not as if they haven't had Villa drilled into their brains since they were born, so if this is happening to my nephews then I can only presume that it's happening in many other Villa supporting families.
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Ordinarily I would have been disappointed about the result but after that showing I am fucking angry - That was every bit as bad as the performance at Preston earlier in the season. We are still going backwards and I fear the slide will continue next year - I appreciate that the fans wanted a laugh at Small Heaths` expense but like a few posters have noted already, some of the stuff today was small time - how ironic that our fans slate the SHA fans as being pathetic, thick, moronic and obsessed with the Villa - please lets not stoop any lower guys.... potentially they may see a turn around under Rednapp next season and just look how he will rub our noses in it - he has started already.
OK today was a nothing game in respect of our season but at least the players and coaches/manage could have put in a passionate display for those turning up in big numbers - I am currently out of work and today was an expense I could have spared but after the lift last week I thought me and VCTM jnr could have a great Dad and Lad day out - as per the last few years the day out was marred only by the game itself.
There are far too many at the club just taking the money ... I appreciate that Hogan is new to the club but he has shown me nothing to suggest he will turn the corner and start hitting the back of the net. Again today, pre game, I watched him lumber about half heartedly warming up - he looks totally disinterested - as for his shots on goal 1:1 with the keeper - fucking abysmal. If he is the future for 2017/2018 we have no future.
Finally if the owner has any sense he will look to bring in a replacement for Bruce asap, however, I fear if that is the case his "football experts" will have a ready replacement lined up - step forward Mr Moyes - his mate is already at the club
I am not a betting man but if I was I would lump on that as the next managerial appointment.
Its tough being a Villa fan - Having followed the club since the early 1960`s this current side is certainly up there as one of the poorest - and I have seen some shit
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I think Frank Lampard could do a better job than Bruce. In fact I think Frankie goes to Hollywood could do a better job than Bruce.
Not sure about that. THe last thing we need is for our players to relax any more than they already do.
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First things first: the fans were great - I really thought the party atmosphere and willingness to just enjoy the occasion was great ...
... then we kicked off the game.
Gardner, Bacuna and Ange were absolute garbage throughout.
Baker's inept passing created the only goal of the game.
Hogan is not going to work out well in this set-up.
During the game, I had a real problem with the fans' focus on the Bluenoses - small-time, in my opinion. Cheering on Blackburn and celebrating the goal really grated for me: I never like when the Villa lose, and this was no exception.
SB is a very limited manager, along with the last few we've had. when you consider how Fulham, Leeds, Reading and 'udders have pushed on this season with limited resources, it puts into sharp relief the limited nature of the Villa set-up.
I can't wait for the end of the season ...
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Finally if the owner has any sense he will look to bring in a replacement for Bruce asap, however, I fear if that is the case his "football experts" will have a ready replacement lined up - step forward Mr Moyes - his mate is already at the club
I am not a betting man but if I was I would lump on that as the next managerial appointment.
That's my fear too.
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https://twitter.com/amyfentonNWEM/status/858361236727136256
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Moyes won't come to Villa. The trend at this level now is for foreign coaches and I don't expect we'll buck that trend.
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Threat should be retitled "It's Been ANOTHER Horrible One". Nice to see we cheered for the home side, partially makes up for the times we've caused carnage to the gents toilets at Ewood's away end (fixture and fittings-related rather than bodily-function although I imagine that too may have been included in a two-for-one offer).
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Moyles? Good grief no, but I do believe Bruce should go and should not be allowed any say in summer comings and goings. So the sooner he goes the better.
As a starting point, any of the managers of the clubs that don't go up from the play offs could be considered.
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My family are Villa through and through, however I was recently informed that my 2 nephews are too embarrassed to wear Villa colours at school and now turn up for football training wearing Bayern Munich kits. I joke about blaming the parents but it's not as if they haven't had Villa drilled into their brains since they were born, so if this is happening to my nephews then I can only presume that it's happening in many other Villa supporting families.
Not this family, my son always wears his Villa shirt to training.
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I thought this game was an 'acceptable' loser? For the neighbours?
I thought we weren't bothered?
Fans in Blackburn shirts?
All I can tell you is, I don't think any game is acceptable if The Villa lose.
But I am not after SB.
I want Keith W and the rest of the team to back or sack.
I hope, back and support SB.
He has made what he can of what was there. Now, he has to build a promotion team.
Go, Steve!
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Bruce should go now, even if we did scrape back to the premiership he is not good enough to keep us there. Tone needs to be looking now and give the next manager as much time as possible.
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Moyes won't come to Villa. The trend at this level now is for foreign coaches and I don't expect we'll buck that trend.
And I really don't want him.
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Dr Tony should dock the players a week's wage for that performance and the coaching staff should also suffer.
The small time attitude was a combination of the team only giving 50% effort and party time on the terraces. The players were given an excuse not to perform and they took it. I would actually prefer playing the shit rather than the likes of Forest or Blackburn - we are more likely to get something from the derby.
As for change of manager. Wait and see but right now I would send a private plane for Moyes if it meant no Bruce. I hope and I am proved to be wrong and spud can change this around at the start of next season.
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Bruce should go now, even if we did scrape back to the premiership he is not good enough to keep us there. Tone needs to be looking now and give the next manager as much time as possible.
When was the last time we attracted a top class manager? If we couldn't in the PL why would we now?
Bruce being somewhat of a promotion specialist is is as good as we'll get for the situation we're in.
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The football really isn't any better than the type played by Pulis and Allardyce, only they're better at it.
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First time I've been at a Villa game where I was ashamed of the team and the fans.
Embarrassing to have sunk as low and small time as our neighbours.
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Bruce should go now, even if we did scrape back to the premiership he is not good enough to keep us there. Tone needs to be looking now and give the next manager as much time as possible.
On balance I'm still happy enough to start next season with SB. Can you imagine this football and tactics in the prem though? We'd struggle to get 17 points.
However he can remember how he got 4 promotions during the summer and do it next season but we can't really start our next prem campaign with him in charge, it would be a waste of time.
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That's the point no manager getting promotion would be sacked and with what we've seen this season it's a given we would be relegated again with his brand of football.
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First time I've been at a Villa game where I was ashamed of the team and the fans.
Embarrassing to have sunk as low and small time as our neighbours.
I felt the same today.
Around me were lots of fans cheering the Blackburn goal and then to cap it all, once they knew Blues would win, they were the most vociferous ones in slating the players.
The players deserved the criticism from start to finish, but the hypocrisy and small-mindedness of some of the fans was mind-boggling.
Ending up with a midfield of Gardner, Bacuna and Grealish with Gabby as well, said it all in terms of the lack of quality.
Lansbury, Hourihane and Hogan in particular, continue to be underwhelming and our earlier good run was based solely around Kodjia and resolute defending.
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Bruce should go now, even if we did scrape back to the premiership he is not good enough to keep us there. Tone needs to be looking now and give the next manager as much time as possible.
On balance I'm still happy enough to start next season with SB. Can you imagine this football and tactics in the prem though? We'd struggle to get 17 points.
However he can remember how he got 4 promotions during the summer and do it next season but we can't really start our next prem campaign with him in charge, it would be a waste of time.
I think it will be a fecking long time before we need to worry about our next prem campaign.
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First time I've been at a Villa game where I was ashamed of the team and the fans.
Embarrassing to have sunk as low and small time as our neighbours.
I felt the same today.
Around me were lots of fans cheering the Blackburn goal and then to cap it all, once they knew Blues would win, they were the most vociferous ones in slating the players.
The players deserved the criticism from start to finish, but the hypocrisy and small-mindedness of some of the fans was mind-boggling.
Ending up with a midfield of Gardner, Bacuna and Grealish with Gabby as well, said it all in terms of the lack of quality.
Lansbury, Hourihane and Hogan in particular, continue to be underwhelming and our earlier good run was based solely around Kodjia and resolute defending.
You must have been by me. Really pi**ed me off.
There were 4 guys in front of me and they all constantly kept checking the blues score on their phones. They weren't bothered with our game. We obviously have our own obsessive lot!!
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First time I've been at a Villa game where I was ashamed of the team and the fans.
Embarrassing to have sunk as low and small time as our neighbours.
Oh for fuck sake, I'd say any other club's fans in the land would have done the same as Villa supporters did today. A meaningless end of season game where if we lost could go a long way to relegating our hated neighbours. Big deal. All this "I'm ashamed of us" nonsense is just that, nonsense. So over the top.
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Considering we always bang on about them being obsessed with us, we've done a pretty good this week of behaving the same way.
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I was surprised how pissed off I was with the result but I still would have been cheered up considerably if Blues had have screwed up. There's no such thing as a healthy rivalry, you should want every opponent to be humiliated. They wouldn't give us the steam off their piss, so why should we take the moral high ground?
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Considering we always bang on about them being obsessed with us, we've done a pretty good this week of behaving the same way.
Since when has it ever been any different? They don't like us and we don't like them and I'd bet my last penny fans from any club up and down the land would like to see their team lose a meaningless end of season match to see their local rivals relegated (wether they admit it or not). Let's not pretend we're any different.
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I was surprised how pissed off I was with the result but I still would have been cheered up considerably if Blues had have screwed up. There's no such thing as a healthy rivalry, you should want every opponent to be humiliated. They wouldn't give us the steam off their piss, so why should we take the moral high ground?
Exactly.
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Hourihane, lauded as one of the brightest prospects in the division. (Okay, just Peter Beagrie). Apart from a few dead piece deliveries and a goal has done nothing to get excited about. In his defence, not played in his best position.
Hogan, banginging in goals for his former club every week. One goal for us since he's been here and a decent assist for Kodja is the sum total of his contribution. In his defence, we're not playing to his strengths.
Lansbury, Forest's most influential and consistent performer. Has done little of note. I assume this is due to not being played in his best position. I also am beginning to think we've got yet another dud as he looks slow in pace and reaction.
These are all Bruce signings meant to improve us. They haven't. They won't either until we play a system that gets the most out of them. Can Bruce change to such a system? No he can't is the answer. If we carry on as we are we'll be nowhere near promotion come Christmas. We could be if we got someone with a bit of nous.
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Considering we always bang on about them being obsessed with us, we've done a pretty good this week of behaving the same way.
Since when has it ever been any different? They don't like us and we don't like them and I'd bet my last penny fans from any club up and down the land would like to see their team lose a meaningless end of season match to see their local rivals relegated (wether they admit it or not). Let's not pretend we're any different.
I may laugh at them for being shit, enjoy them being shit and hope they go down, but i'm massively fucked off with that 'performance' today and that we lost.
I said in the quandary thread before the game that I wanted us to win, and I still feel the same way.
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There was nothing on the game but a defeat could mean another nail in the Small Heath coffin, and I don't give a toss if some fans would rather we lost. So what? All this "I'm ashamed with the fans" is so over the top it's laughable. It's a bit of fun, nothing more nothing less.
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I have to say Bruce is damning himself with those comments. I hope he sees that.
That side has some of the most talented players in this league as Bren'd has said but they seem to be utterly straighjacketed by the manager at the moment.
I have been very much in the giving the manager a full season to continue stabilising the club but he really needs to release the shackles and let the team play more expansively. Six months down the line and he seems to have no idea how to set up the front six still.
I think Wyness and Xia must be pretty worried about next season at the moment.
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Considering we always bang on about them being obsessed with us, we've done a pretty good this week of behaving the same way.
Since when has it ever been any different? They don't like us and we don't like them and I'd bet my last penny fans from any club up and down the land would like to see their team lose a meaningless end of season match to see their local rivals relegated (wether they admit it or not). Let's not pretend we're any different.
I may laugh at them for being shit, enjoy them being shit and hope they go down, but i'm massively fucked off with that 'performance' today and that we lost.
I said in the quandary thread before the game that I wanted us to win, and I still feel the same way.
So do I
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Considering we always bang on about them being obsessed with us, we've done a pretty good this week of behaving the same way.
Since when has it ever been any different? They don't like us and we don't like them and I'd bet my last penny fans from any club up and down the land would like to see their team lose a meaningless end of season match to see their local rivals relegated (wether they admit it or not). Let's not pretend we're any different.
Some fans maybe, others only care about 1 team and couldn't give a shit about anyone else. I want to see a Villa team that wins games and plays football befitting of one of the biggest clubs in the country, that means beating teams like Blackburn and it definitely doesn't mean cheering a goal against us. I'm not embarrassed by people that do that, I just don't understand them.
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I was surprised how pissed off I was with the result but I still would have been cheered up considerably if Blues had have screwed up. There's no such thing as a healthy rivalry, you should want every opponent to be humiliated. They wouldn't give us the steam off their piss, so why should we take the moral high ground?
Exactly.
Our opponents today though were Blackburn.
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So it's fair to say that Bruce isn't exactly an ambitious manager for us to have at the moment, either in style or in what we can achieve with him. Yes, under him we might bore our way into the Premier League, but I'm not sure I'm all that excited about becoming the new Hull - and, to be honest, I have exactly 0% confidence in Bruce's ability to lay the groundwork for some exciting or modern style which would make us relevant again.
We will hopefully get promoted next season. Presumably Blackburn wanted or needed it more. But Bruce is not the man for the Premier League.
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Dr Tony should dock the players a week's wage for that performance and the coaching staff should also suffer.
The small time attitude was a combination of the team only giving 50% effort and party time on the terraces. The players were given an excuse not to perform and they took it. I would actually prefer playing the shit rather than the likes of Forest or Blackburn - we are more likely to get something from the derby.
As for change of manager. Wait and see but right now I would send a private plane for Moyes if it meant no Bruce. I hope and I am proved to be wrong and spud can change this around at the start of next season.
Moyes has done little better this season than Remi Garde did last season.
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We need to lead from the start next year. Sunderland will do a Villa but Middlesbrough, Swansea and/or Hull will be decent. As will all the playoff teams who don't make it + Leeds will be a potential threat. We're not the kind of outfit who'll relish the battle. We need to be imperious or we'll be shite again.
If not the lad from Hull then Dean Smith is worth a look in my opinion.
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What's funny is Small Heath trying to take the moral high ground. This from the tramps who wouldn't know what morals were if they bit them on the arse. You're telling me if it was roles reversed they wouldn't have wanted to lose to try and send us down? Of course they would. They might have even taken more than 2500 fans away aswell to cheer our potential demise.
As for our players, I said on here when we signed them all that we'd turn them to shit and I got slated for it. We've signed some of the best players in this league and now they look like they've never seen a football before. Hogan looks like he's been pulled from the crowd to play, but you can guarantee if he went somewhere like Fulham he'd be scoring for fun. You can only blame the coaching and the tactics. Our midfield look clueless and create virtually nothing yet they've clearly got talent so what's stopping them?
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I have to say Bruce is damning himself with those comments. I hope he sees that.
That side has some of the most talented players in this league as Bren'd has said but they seem to be utterly straighjacketed by the manager at the moment.
I have been very much in the giving the manager a full season to continue stabilising the club but he really needs to release the shackles and let the team play more expansively. Six months down the line and he seems to have no idea how to set up the front six still.
I think Wyness and Xia must be pretty worried about next season at the moment.
Wyness seems a bit pissed off on Twitter. And rightly so. Regarding recruitment of players, the board have delivered.
I feel his tweet is aimed more at the players than Bruce, however. Which I think is a bit unfair considering they're not being played in their correct positions. Though we all know that, so I apologise for stating the obvious.
Agbonlahor, Bacuna and Gardner should never be anywhere near the team. I hate how Bruce sees Gardner as the sort of playmaker. Everything has to start with him. It just doesn't work.
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Dr Tony should dock the players a week's wage for that performance and the coaching staff should also suffer.
The small time attitude was a combination of the team only giving 50% effort and party time on the terraces. The players were given an excuse not to perform and they took it. I would actually prefer playing the shit rather than the likes of Forest or Blackburn - we are more likely to get something from the derby.
As for change of manager. Wait and see but right now I would send a private plane for Moyes if it meant no Bruce. I hope and I am proved to be wrong and spud can change this around at the start of next season.
Moyes has done little better this season than Remi Garde did last season.
Accurate. But we're edging into tallest dwarf territory if we need to make those comparisons.
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We dodged a bullet not getting Moyes. Terrible terrible manager. Bruce may or may not be the right solution for us but he is vastly superior to the doomsayer Moyes.
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I listened to the game on the radio and Gary Thompson summed it up, the players do not know how to play together, if this was just the one occasion then maybe you give them a pass, but sorry this has been the standard and level for most of Bruces tenure, even when we were winning , we never looked liked a cohesive unit that was going to destroy n opponent.
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There was nothing on the game but a defeat could mean another nail in the Small Heath coffin, and I don't give a toss if some fans would rather we lost. So what? All this "I'm ashamed with the fans" is so over the top it's laughable. It's a bit of fun, nothing more nothing less.
I'm sorry, but (1) "fans" who rather we lost have no right as being described as fans; and (2) as for it being "a bit of fun", when I fork out my £27 for a ticket, the bit of fun I want is a half decent performance from my team and hopefully a win - "nothing more nothing less".
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There seems to be a gap developing between the players and Bruce. He doesn't single out players but he does blame the team for awful performances..The team do need to carry the can for poor performances but Bruce needs to admit his part in our failings. Once a manager alienates his players there is only going to be one winner. That's how football is these days.
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The stark truth highlighted by every game since Burton is that we are no better than the team that was relegated. If Lambert, Sherwood or Garde had been left in charge and the squad unchanged we would have sunk to 20 points off the play offs in the Championship.
We, the supporters, have endured the engagement and sacking of four managers and the squandering of colossal sums of money to achieve absolutely nothing.
Next season will be no different. Bruce will be given more time and he will persist in the playing of Agbonlahor, Gardner, Bacuna, Richards, Elphick, Baker, plus a few equally technically inept old players like Samba while our young players get the odd quarter of an hour off the bench if they are lucky.
The institutionalised incompetence of Bodymoor Heath, earlier referred to, will probably deliver a half cooked, half coached, half arsed team that includes the usual suspects next August and next season will be no better than the last one.
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Our possession and ability to keep the ball is embarrassing, even against the worst teams in this poxy league we're unable to control or dominate a game. 4 away wins in this league is pathetic. The standard in this league is dreadful yet you can count our good performances this season on one hand and still have fingers spare.
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I think you flatter them QV. Perhaps I missed it but I cannot recall a single game other than the surrender of Rotherham at VP and the last half hour against Brighton in which we dominated the game. Not one.
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I reached the stage years ago where I couldn't give a toss about our neighbours due to the awful decline of our own club.
Someone is going to have to be brave enough to let Bruce go after the Brighton game or we are destined for another struggle next season.
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One word sums yesterday up from 3pm until 4.52pm unprofessional on and off the pitch
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There was nothing on the game but a defeat could mean another nail in the Small Heath coffin, and I don't give a toss if some fans would rather we lost. So what? All this "I'm ashamed with the fans" is so over the top it's laughable. It's a bit of fun, nothing more nothing less.
I'm sorry, but (1) "fans" who rather we lost have no right as being described as fans; and (2) as for it being "a bit of fun", when I fork out my £27 for a ticket, the bit of fun I want is a half decent performance from my team and hopefully a win - "nothing more nothing less".
That's my stance. I don't get to many games these days, so an away game is a bit of a treat. I want Villa to win, end of.
My closest friends are noses, and one or two do have a bit of an obsession disorder, but, they're decent guys, so it doesn't bother me if they stay up.
To be fair I can understand the 'Bit of fun' by cheering Blackburn, but, for me it was when blues scored it was as if a child had had their favourite toy taken away. It suddenly wasn't fun anymore. They just sat there sulking and checking their phones.
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The stark truth highlighted by every game since Burton is that we are no better than the team that was relegated. If Lambert, Sherwood or Garde had been left in charge and the squad unchanged we would have sunk to 20 points off the play offs in the Championship.
We, the supporters, have endured the engagement and sacking of four managers and the squandering of colossal sums of money to achieve absolutely nothing.
Next season will be no different. Bruce will be given more time and he will persist in the playing of Agbonlahor, Gardner, Bacuna, Richards, Elphick, Baker, plus a few equally technically inept old players like Samba while our young players get the odd quarter of an hour off the bench if they are lucky.
The institutionalised incompetence of Bodymoor Heath, earlier referred to, will probably deliver a half cooked, half coached, half arsed team that includes the usual suspects next August and next season will be no better than the last one.
The third paragraph, can't highlight from my kindle, highlights absolutely why Bruce is a dinosaur. These are the players who greatly assisted with our demise. Other than Gardner maybe, they are the don't give a fuck, yesterday's players who will never be able to take the club forward. If Bruce doesn't see this, then he deserves to go because this list would be my bomb squad, out at all costs. I appreciate it hasn't happened yet, but if it does, I genuinely hope the likes of Keith and Tony understand why we moan about them.
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The stark truth highlighted by every game since Burton is that we are no better than the team that was relegated.
This is my take on it as well Brian. 20 points from play offs in a mediocre second division is no better than we did in the first division last season.
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The stark truth highlighted by every game since Burton is that we are no better than the team that was relegated.
This is my take on it as well Brian. 20 points from play offs in a mediocre second division is no better than we did in the first division last season.
I'm not so sure. We were in danger of dropping into the third division. At least this time around we found the resilience to drag ourselves to safety.
As soon as the prospect of the playoffs died, then so did our desire to win games, except against Small Heath. I'm more pissed off about that than yesterday's performance, which was merely more of the same lack of discipline and application against a team that really needed the points. The Villa disease still needs stamping out.
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There was nothing on the game but a defeat could mean another nail in the Small Heath coffin, and I don't give a toss if some fans would rather we lost. So what? All this "I'm ashamed with the fans" is so over the top it's laughable. It's a bit of fun, nothing more nothing less.
I'm sorry, but (1) "fans" who rather we lost have no right as being described as fans; and (2) as for it being "a bit of fun", when I fork out my £27 for a ticket, the bit of fun I want is a half decent performance from my team and hopefully a win - "nothing more nothing less".
maybe fans are only having a bit of fun because the team is so dull to watch .
If we were actually good and great to watch no one would be bothered by that poo down the road and just enjoy our teams great football.
just dont think sB is going to sort this crap out.
He has the players but has no idea how to play them.
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I watched it via a stream online yesterday and we looked truly awful. I'm not sure what was worse, the performance or the fact that we let Danny Graham score past us.
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The stark truth highlighted by every game since Burton is that we are no better than the team that was relegated. If Lambert, Sherwood or Garde had been left in charge and the squad unchanged we would have sunk to 20 points off the play offs in the Championship.
We, the supporters, have endured the engagement and sacking of four managers and the squandering of colossal sums of money to achieve absolutely nothing.
Next season will be no different. Bruce will be given more time and he will persist in the playing of Agbonlahor, Gardner, Bacuna, Richards, Elphick, Baker, plus a few equally technically inept old players like Samba while our young players get the odd quarter of an hour off the bench if they are lucky.
The institutionalised incompetence of Bodymoor Heath, earlier referred to, will probably deliver a half cooked, half coached, half arsed team that includes the usual suspects next August and next season will be no better than the last one.
Good post
Burton was awful but take your pick from Cardiff, wolves, Reading, Fulham, Barnsley, Ipswich, Norwich. And is anybody truly inspired by Clemence and Calderwood as coaches
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There was nothing on the game but a defeat could mean another nail in the Small Heath coffin, and I don't give a toss if some fans would rather we lost. So what? All this "I'm ashamed with the fans" is so over the top it's laughable. It's a bit of fun, nothing more nothing less.
I'm sorry, but (1) "fans" who rather we lost have no right as being described as fans; and (2) as for it being "a bit of fun", when I fork out my £27 for a ticket, the bit of fun I want is a half decent performance from my team and hopefully a win - "nothing more nothing less".
As SH says its a bit of fun at the end of another awful season. Its a bit of fun at the expense of our neighbours. The truth of the matter is that most of us realise we arent actually much better than Blose despite having a superior squad
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The other thing that has to be taken into account is that large numbers of our fans have been radicalised by the post MON years and will react differently from past happier times. I find myself holding views and opinions about the managers, the staff and the players I would not have tolerated in myself six years ago.
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you only had to go to the derby game last week or any away game ever to realise the rivalry between to the two clubs is one of pure dislike even hatred for some, and I use the term hatred as a footballing term
its pointless trying to down play it pretending we don't really care about blues because they are small, shit and forever in our shadow,
we do care, to some of us its the one that counts the most, I know some fans see other local games as more important for their own personal reasons but you cant deny the biggest is SHA as proved at every away game you go to,
I actually love it when we go to Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal etc and the home fans think we are only there to see their great stars perform and all we are singing about is some small time toss basket club, it shows we are different from the SKY generation football fans where the whole world revolves around the biggest richest clubs
every football rivalry is the same yet different in many ways
you wont find half and half scarfs being sold outside the ground,
you wont find ex players saying nice things about the other club, even the ones who played for both come down firmly to one side
you wont get hundreds of fans bussed in from the home counties
99% of people there will be from within a radius of 50 miles apart from the ex pats who travel in, because its a true local derby, I'm not from Birmingham and that's what I love about it
I'm glad it wasn't on telly last week because its nothing to do with any one else just us, that's what makes it special
so joshing about singing for Blackburn is no big deal for me
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The stark truth highlighted by every game since Burton is that we are no better than the team that was relegated. If Lambert, Sherwood or Garde had been left in charge and the squad unchanged we would have sunk to 20 points off the play offs in the Championship.
We, the supporters, have endured the engagement and sacking of four managers and the squandering of colossal sums of money to achieve absolutely nothing.
Next season will be no different. Bruce will be given more time and he will persist in the playing of Agbonlahor, Gardner, Bacuna, Richards, Elphick, Baker, plus a few equally technically inept old players like Samba while our young players get the odd quarter of an hour off the bench if they are lucky.
The institutionalised incompetence of Bodymoor Heath, earlier referred to, will probably deliver a half cooked, half coached, half arsed team that includes the usual suspects next August and next season will be no better than the last one.
Good post
Burton was awful but take your pick from Cardiff, wolves, Reading, Fulham, Barnsley, Ipswich, Norwich. And is anybody truly inspired by Clemence and Calderwood as coaches
Brighton players have no problem with Calderwood
Bruce has to go I'm afraid, even if we got promoted next season, we would be relegated immediately playing his type of football.
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Brighton didn't seem to miss Calderwood.
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Reading haven't missed Tshibola and Fulham haven't given McCormack a second thought.
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Brentford have gone on without Hogan.
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Brentford have gone on without Hogan.
Brentford haven't missed Hogan because they have a squad packed full of skilful, tricky and quick players. We have no one of that ilk. For that reason I would pay off SB straight after next week's game and go all in for Dean Smith. He knows how to build a good team with a game plan. Do it please Dr Tony.
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The institutionalised incompetence of Bodymoor Heath, earlier referred to, will probably deliver a half cooked, half coached, half arsed team that includes the usual suspects next August and next season will be no better than the last one.
This is the issue for me. Until we eradicate all the negative influences at the club, we will never start to perform like a side capable of what we expect from a Villa team.
The player's will be drawn into a continuous spiral of negativity unless the mentality of the club recent years is drastically changed from top to bottom.
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The stark truth highlighted by every game since Burton is that we are no better than the team that was relegated. If Lambert, Sherwood or Garde had been left in charge and the squad unchanged we would have sunk to 20 points off the play offs in the Championship.
We, the supporters, have endured the engagement and sacking of four managers and the squandering of colossal sums of money to achieve absolutely nothing.
Next season will be no different. Bruce will be given more time and he will persist in the playing of Agbonlahor, Gardner, Bacuna, Richards, Elphick, Baker, plus a few equally technically inept old players like Samba while our young players get the odd quarter of an hour off the bench if they are lucky.
The institutionalised incompetence of Bodymoor Heath, earlier referred to, will probably deliver a half cooked, half coached, half arsed team that includes the usual suspects next August and next season will be no better than the last one.
Great post.
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Truly pissed off with yet another shite showing yesterday...waste of good time and money!
The thing for me, as with a lot of us, is that I see no improvement - or prospect of it - on the pitch at all!
The squad is stronger now than in December, Bruce has brought in some of his own players - especially midfielders that we wanted - but we still consistently lose possession far too easily and when we have it create very little. The players are there (but how the f*ck do Bacuna and Gardner get in the team?) but there is no balance, no style of play, no shape, not even graft.
That's all got to come down to one reason and Bruce damns himself with his own words:
"Four wins away is nowhere near good enough...we were absolutely hopeless...not good enough and I've been here the best part of 6 months and too many times I've come away like that and thought 'Dear oh dear, that was inept' "
Does he not see the connection between the performance of the team and his responsibility for it?
Stunning!
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Really feel for all the fans who went yesterday and the support has been fantastic all season considering the circumstances.
Finally faced up to watching the highlights earlier and immediately wished I hadn't. What the hell was Baker doing for their goal? There wasn't a Villa player anywhere near the Blackburn player who he passed to.
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First time I've been at a Villa game where I was ashamed of the team and the fans.
Embarrassing to have sunk as low and small time as our neighbours.
Oh for fuck sake, I'd say any other club's fans in the land would have done the same as Villa supporters did today. A meaningless end of season game where if we lost could go a long way to relegating our hated neighbours. Big deal. All this "I'm ashamed of us" nonsense is just that, nonsense. So over the top.
Completely agree. At least the Blues/Blackburn story kept things interesting, especially when the Noses missed a penalty and had a man sent off. It put a smile on a lot of people's faces for a while yesterday, though obviously the mood changed when it was clear that Huddersfield weren't going to win. What else were we supposed to do? Watch the unwatchable shit the Villa were serving up? An abysmal performance but an enjoyable atmosphere before the game and early on.
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I actually love it when we go to Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal etc and the home fans think we are only there to see their great stars perform and all we are singing about is some small time toss basket club, it shows we are different from the SKY generation football fans where the whole world revolves around the biggest richest clubs
every football rivalry is the same yet different in many ways
you wont find half and half scarfs being sold outside the ground,
you wont find ex players saying nice things about the other club, even the ones who played for both come down firmly to one side
you wont get hundreds of fans bussed in from the home counties
99% of people there will be from within a radius of 50 miles apart from the ex pats who travel in, because its a true local derby, I'm not from Birmingham and that's what I love about it
I'm glad it wasn't on telly last week because its nothing to do with any one else just us, that's what makes it special
so joshing about singing for Blackburn is no big deal for me
Good stuff.
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Please, swap him fo Redknapp asap. Bruce plays more boring and hopeless than McLeish.
Redknapp is bitter dinosaur. He blamed Villa last week for his Blues not being able to score, against a poor team, and again blamed them this week. Talked about another team when he shouldn't. What other manager does that?
Replace Bruce if needed but not for that wide boy.
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Once again - the opposition passed the ball better than we did .
The football all season has been nothing short of appalling.
We must be the slowest team in all 4 divisions.
If we don't change the manager , I think there should be a change of coaches.
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Once again - the opposition passed the ball better than we did .
The football all season has been nothing short of appalling.
We must be the slowest team in all 4 divisions.
If we don't change the manager , I think there should be a change of coaches.
The football coaching follows what the manager dictates. Fitness and general skills coaching can be completely separate. This is why generally, a manager will come with his assistant and 1st team coach.
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Once again - the opposition passed the ball better than we did .
The football all season has been nothing short of appalling.
We must be the slowest team in all 4 divisions.
If we don't change the manager , I think there should be a change of coaches.
The football coaching follows what the manager dictates. Fitness and general skills coaching can be completely separate. This is why generally, a manager will come with his assistant and 1st team coach.
And Steve Bruce, like Tim Sherwood and Remi Garde, were unable to bring in the assistant managers they'd previously worked with and done well/ok with. No.2s came as very much 2nd/3rd/4th/5th/6th choice.
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Once again - the opposition passed the ball better than we did .
The football all season has been nothing short of appalling.
We must be the slowest team in all 4 divisions.
If we don't change the manager , I think there should be a change of coaches.
The football coaching follows what the manager dictates. Fitness and general skills coaching can be completely separate. This is why generally, a manager will come with his assistant and 1st team coach.
And Steve Bruce, like Tim Sherwood and Remi Garde, were unable to bring in the assistant managers they'd previously worked with and done well/ok with. No.2s came as very much 2nd/3rd/4th/5th/6th choice.
One of the problems of appointing a new manager during the season.
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Well Mickey Phelan is out of a job now, isn't he? Bring him in.
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Well Mickey Phelan is out of a job now, isn't he? Bring him in.
That's a good shout.
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Well Mickey Phelan is out of a job now, isn't he? Bring him in.
That's a good shout.
I'd put out an invitation to Olaf the Viking to come across in the Summer, cut his final teeth with us and take on full management if the partnership is a success, (provided Bruce has a step down clause for this provision).