Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on April 21, 2017, 11:00:28 PM
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In addition to the minutes applause before kick-off, when the clock shows the 16th minute let's all have a sustained 60 seconds of "Ugo!" as an additional tribute.
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Nice idea but remember who we are playing.
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I know this makes me old fashioned but I would have preferred a minute's silence to applause. It is more respectful and in the absence of noise the reality of the collective loss we suffer from the person's departure fills the space .
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I know this makes me old fashioned but I would have preferred a minute's silence to applause. It is more respectful and in the absence of noise the reality of the collective loss we suffer from the person's departure fills the space .
I agree but it's not a good idea versus the filth.
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They will sabotage a Ugo chant. They would without a doubt sabotage a minute's silence. Club has got it right.
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They will sabotage a Ugo chant. They would without a doubt sabotage a minute's silence. Club has got it right.
All I've seen from them is respect. But let's ignore that, keep on calling them scum and filth, and complain about the inconvenience that surrounds this fixture.
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They will sabotage a Ugo chant. They would without a doubt sabotage a minute's silence. Club has got it right.
All I've seen from them is respect. But let's ignore that, keep on calling them scum and filth, and complain about the inconvenience that surrounds this fixture.
Let's see what happens at the game.
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They will sabotage a Ugo chant. They would without a doubt sabotage a minute's silence. Club has got it right.
All I've seen from them is respect. But let's ignore that, keep on calling them scum and filth, and complain about the inconvenience that surrounds this fixture.
I have to say that's all I've seen so far, it's actually been quite uplifting, like there is hope for humanity after all.
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Like any club, they've got their fair share of twats (the football arrest statistics would actually suggest they've got more than their fair share).
Given the animosity between the two clubs the risk of some idiots messing up a minutes silence is definitely higher so whilst I'd prefer a silence, a minutes applause is probably the right answer.
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Most of the posts I've seen on SHA are respectful and also make the point about a minutes silence being more appropriate.
There was one idiot who suggested they start a spontaneous outburst of KRO during the tribute but he was quickly put in his place by subsequent posters.
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I think it under estimates people to think they couldn't or wouldn't observe a minutes silence for someone who has passed away.
Actually think there is more danger that they'll sing keep right on through the applause in a misguided show of respect that will antagonise more.
If we choose to applaud in 16th minute then that's what WE should do, at that point they will be watching a game and can do what they want, chances are they wouldn't even recognise any significance to the minute. As we used to see with the Petrov applause each week some completely missed the point, they were more focused on whether the opposing fans showed respect than using that minute to reflect on why they were applauding.
For me for that one minute I'll focus on the fact a guy in the prime of his life with a family who loved him has been taken prematurely - selfishly I will probably also think about how lucky we were back in the 90's to watch a team who would defend.
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The people who brought in a banner to celebrate somebody being run over. Trust them in their cup final?
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The knuckledraggers sang their boring dirge during the tribute for the pub bombings families at their place. This time we will have to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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There is a big difference between showing respect on a fan forum and at a game when the less literate of their fan base is full of alcohol.
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I know this makes me old fashioned but I would have preferred a minute's silence to applause. It is more respectful and in the absence of noise the reality of the collective loss we suffer from the person's departure fills the space .
Yes I agree it allows for reflection and thinking. Always been a bit miffed at applause idea.
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There is a big difference between showing respect on a fan forum and at a game when the less literate of their fan base is full of alcohol.
Agreed. Their supporters that I know have treated it with huge dignity to a person so far however 4 hours of prior drinking and we know what some football fans are like including our own.
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I know this makes me old fashioned but I would have preferred a minute's silence to applause. It is more respectful and in the absence of noise the reality of the collective loss we suffer from the person's departure fills the space .
Majority in the stadium would respect the silence but when there's quiet it only takes 1 or 2 to disrupt and you hear everything and that sets off some who are quiet. From my experience it tends to be the people coming in late to the ground from the pub who don't realise there's a silence that disrupts it and that would be a big issue tomorrow.
I think applause is sensible. One that surprises me is there is now applause for the Hillsborough disaster.
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Agree Aftab. It cuts both ways. There is nobody on Heroes and Villains who would sing the Tracey Andrews song but there will be those tomorrow who do or try to.
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Agree with you Brian Green. I know a couple of lads who sing that song when they have had a few and think its funny when I ask them to stop. Rest of the time you could not have two nicer blokes to have a drink with. Like you say cuts both ways
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There is a big difference between showing respect on a fan forum and at a game when the less literate of their fan base is full of alcohol.
"less literate" is there a blues fan who has a CSE to his/her name?
Its okay on a fans forum moderation but on the day their hatred for us (okay jealousy) is without boundaries.
If possible a minutes applause but a minute of silence will be interrupted.
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While I prefer the silence I agree with the applause for this game. With higher security etc you know there will probably be more late arrivals than usual so there's a high chance of unintended disruption. There may be the odd dick in their support who'd say something deliberately but I think it's unlikely. I also think while they won't disrupt it, a lot more won't applaud than would observe the silence impeccably. And I don't have a problem with that, if it was for say, Paul Tait, I don't think i'd applaud but I would observe the silence.
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At football matches, I think that applause if more appropriate than silence.
There's often people who accidentally interrupt a silence because they're still in the concourse or making their way to their seats. This then leads to people in the crowd making shushing noises, which is more of an interruption than the original noise.
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I remember being at St Andrews shortly after their player, Cisse(?), lost a number of his family in a ferry disaster in his home country.
A Villa fan near the front started doing a front crawl action and singing 'Can't swim, Can't swim'. Other Villa fans quickly shouted him down and called him a sick idiot - but yes, we all have our idiots.
A minutes silence would be what we wanted, but it only takes one idiot amongst their number, and the hostility I'd ratcheted up because 'they' have no respect. Most of them have, just like most of us, but there is no way all have.
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I've dug out my 96 AST home shirt and, remarkably, it still fits. I'll be wearing it in tribute tomorrow.
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I think there will be loads of Ugo chants tomorrow. Probably more than most in the 16th minute.
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I thin a minutes Ugo chants of 40,000 or even half of that will drown out the odd few noses who want to make a point. I agree entirely with Dave Woodall on this, the Blues fans have shown nothing but respect and rightly so, I am sure we would do the same.
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I think a glance over to the away end during the applause will confirm the vast majority of their fans joining in.
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I think a glance over to the away end during the applause will confirm the vast majority of their fans joining in.
Therein lies the problem. For a minutes silence to work you need everyone to join in, not just the vast majority.
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I like the new trend of applauding. It drones out any idiots. I'm sure the majority of Blues supporters will be respectful, but there are at least a few idiots at every club. Am looking forward to what should be a special tribute.
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People feel sad and want to think of Ugo in quiet reflection. Everyone has a duty to observe a minute's silence. Applause doesn't give the same reverence and is arguably less respectful - not clapping is easier to do than not staying quiet.