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Title: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Ivo Stas on March 16, 2017, 10:21:42 PM
Gareth Southgate obviously.

And I remember Steve Staunton managing the Republic of Ireland.

There must have been others..?
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 16, 2017, 10:29:28 PM
Peter Withe managed Thailand and Indonesia.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: TopDeck113 on March 16, 2017, 10:30:25 PM
Peter Withe managed the Thai and Indonesian national teams.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: TopDeck113 on March 16, 2017, 10:31:14 PM
As told to you first by the great man's shin.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 16, 2017, 10:33:14 PM
Sir Brian and Jersey. Does that count?
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: TopDeck113 on March 16, 2017, 10:36:59 PM
Chris Nicholl was assistant manager of Northern Ireland.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Ivo Stas on March 16, 2017, 10:52:35 PM
Chris Nicholl was assistant manager of Northern Ireland.

Talking of Northern Ireland, Danny Blanchflower managed them in the 70s (specifically, Wikipedia says, for 16 games between 1976 and 1979, winning 4 and drawing another 4). I'm thinking he must be the first ex-Villa player to try his hand at international management..?
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: adrenachrome on March 16, 2017, 10:53:12 PM
George Graham made Arse great again.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Ivo Stas on March 16, 2017, 10:58:31 PM
Sir Brian and Jersey. Does that count?
I was going to say "no" because he was Director of Football but, upon conducting some further research, it transpires that sir Brian did actually step into the dugout himself (to great success, obviously).

So says Wikipedia:

Little was appointed as the Jersey FA's Director of Football in November 2014, overseeing the work of first team manager Jimmy Reilly. Reilly went on to lead the islanders to their first Muratti Vase Final victory in four years the following May. Months later, Jersey announced their intention to join UEFA, and when Reilly stepped aside in early 2016 Little was appointed to replace him. Little won the Muratti in May 2016, but stepped down as manager the following month and reverted to his position as Director of Football; allowing him to concentrate on his commitments at Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: DeKuip on March 16, 2017, 11:06:45 PM
Didier Six has managed both Togo and Mauritius
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: adrenachrome on March 16, 2017, 11:08:39 PM
Ron Atkinson was on our books as a player, though he didn't play in the first team.

Noel Blake managed Exeter. I well remember his debut at VP; there was a gasp from the crowd each time he went near an opponent. Of course, it went rapidly downhill from there on several fronts.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 16, 2017, 11:09:55 PM
Which continent is the country of Exeter in? :P
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: TopDeck113 on March 16, 2017, 11:17:34 PM
I had a vague recollection that Dwight Yorke had briefly managed Trinidad and Tobago, but Wikipedia says he was Assistant Manager.  Nonetheless, I'm sure that will be sufficient for him to talk himself up as a possible candidate the next time Brazil are in the market for a new manager.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Louzie0 on March 16, 2017, 11:23:12 PM
Just looked up Big Ron, Alan Curbishley and Big Jim Cumbes.
I was convinced one of them had been an international manager; BJC could have been in cricket, as well.
Sadly, no.

I 'm now left wondering why not Big Alan?
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Ivo Stas on March 16, 2017, 11:24:13 PM
Savo Milosevic is assistant manager of Montenegro.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Ivo Stas on March 16, 2017, 11:26:52 PM
Just looked up Big Ron, Alan Curbishley and Big Jim Cumbes.
I was convinced one of them had been an international manager; BJC could have been in cricket, as well.
Sadly, no.

I 'm now left wondering why not Big Alan?

Similarly, I was sure that I'd find that John Gregory had managed somewhere like Kuwait or one of the Stans, but, no, he has confined his career to ever more obscure club management.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Louzie0 on March 16, 2017, 11:34:43 PM
Ooooh!
Dr Jo!

He's managed Czechoslovakia, Australia, Slovakia, Oman and Malaysia!

But he never played for Villa. Darn it.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 16, 2017, 11:35:31 PM
He didn't play for us though.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: adrenachrome on March 16, 2017, 11:50:44 PM
I did not realise how many clubs Dean Saunders had managed.

Given that the first was Wrexham taking over from Sir Brian, he must have been odds on to manage Wales later in his career at that point.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Gareth on March 17, 2017, 12:10:33 AM
Without taking the thread down the 'which Henrik Larsen' route the blond Danish that we had briefly in the squad but didn't play was also mgr of Faroes at one point
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 17, 2017, 12:48:30 AM
I think Noel Blake and Kenny Swain have both managed young England teams and Allback has been involved with coaching the Swedes.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 17, 2017, 07:24:24 AM
Danny Blanchflower managed Northern Ireland in the 1970s.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: peter w on March 17, 2017, 09:27:18 AM
Eric Houghton

EDIT - didn't manage England. I was thinking of Joe Mercer as manager.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: mattjpa on March 17, 2017, 10:14:10 AM
Marcus Allback has been assistant coach of Sweden. ooosh!
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 17, 2017, 10:41:42 AM
Did I dream it or was Jimmy Rimmer once the coach of the Peoples' Republic of China.

Googling's cheating   
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: adrenachrome on March 17, 2017, 11:25:29 AM
Did I dream it or was Jimmy Rimmer once the coach of the Peoples' Republic of China.

Googling's cheating   

Duckagogo is where it's at using Firefox and preferably TOR if you value your privacy. 

Now you've googled "jimmy" and "rimmer" you might be getting some interesting recommendations from Google Maps while you are out and about. Not only will they suggest you might like to pop in to an establishment near your location, they will also ask you kindly to take a photograph to help other users.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on March 17, 2017, 11:36:38 AM
I thought Jimmy Hogan, but he only managed us, rather than playing for us.

Also disappointed that Jackie Sewell captained Zambia, but didn't manage them.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on March 17, 2017, 11:38:17 AM
Ooo, Freddie Mwila managed Zambia and played once for Villa
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: adrenachrome on March 17, 2017, 11:45:35 AM
Ooo, Freddie Mwila managed Zambia and played once for Villa

Ah, the memories.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/Aston_Villa_players_before_a_training_session_in_the_1969-1970_season_%28left_to_right%29_-_Chico_Hamilton%2C_Freddie_Mwila%2C_Neil_Rioch%2C_Emment_Kapengwe_and_coach_Vic_Crowe.jpg)
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Exeter 77 on March 17, 2017, 12:03:08 PM
Phil Woosnam probably doesn't count but he ran the entire NASL for a while.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on March 17, 2017, 01:53:06 PM
McLeish ;)
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Drummond on March 17, 2017, 02:10:50 PM
It's in typical H+V style that the vast majority of 'answers' on this thread aren't correct but that the posters concerned are 'helpfully' sharing their knowledge...

It's interesting!
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Villa Lew on March 17, 2017, 03:19:36 PM
I think Alf Ramsey once played at Villa Park for Spurs. Does that count?
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Virgil Caine on March 17, 2017, 07:21:10 PM
Platt managed the England Under 17's for a while didn't he?
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: MorrisNielson on March 17, 2017, 07:37:11 PM
Peter McParland - Hong Kong
Phil Woosnam - USA

Some obscure ones:
Joe Mercer (played in a few end of season tour matches) – England (temporary charge)
Tord Grip (played one youth game in the Midland Intermediate League) – Norway
Henrik Larsen (on trial, played first team friendlies) - Faroe Islands
Oscar Arce (played for the stiffs in the Central League) - Burkina Faso
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on March 17, 2017, 10:18:41 PM
Thought I'd found one.

Ron Burgess managed Wales and played youth football for Villa; Cwn Villa....
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 18, 2017, 07:58:00 PM
Ooo, Freddie Mwila managed Zambia and played once for Villa

Freddie Mwila also managed Botswana.
Brian Tiler was also manager of Zambia 1978-80.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Ivo Stas on March 31, 2017, 06:46:18 AM
Just spotted that Noberto Solano is assistant manager of Peru (who just beat Uruguay).
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 01, 2017, 08:48:27 PM
Simon Stainrod was Manager of Iceland.


The Doncaster store.

Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 01, 2017, 09:01:37 PM
Danny Blanchflower - Northern Ireland.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: Grande Pablo on April 01, 2017, 09:55:32 PM
Mustapha Hadji is the current assistant manager of Morocco.  Thanks Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: olaftab on April 02, 2017, 12:18:35 AM
He didn't play for us though.
As didn't Joe Mercer and SGT but both managed us and England.
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 02, 2017, 12:27:40 AM
Not much use in an ex-players thread though  :P
Title: Re: Ivo's question #2: How many ex-Villa players have managed national teams?
Post by: olaftab on April 02, 2017, 12:47:34 AM
It's always of some use to repeat good stuff even out of place 8)
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