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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on February 20, 2017, 09:50:02 PM
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We're fucked, aren't we?
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The co-commentator is speaking sense. Keeps talking about the difference between us and them being continuity. Their players know their formation and they know the players because they play the same all the time. We need to do that.
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We're fucked, aren't we?
At what stage do I start offering tips on pubs near Bristol Rovers?
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Unacceptable again. We look a completely disorganised rabble and it's just not good enough, but frankly I'm at a loss because I just see no light at the end of the tunnel.
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How are we expected to score goals with one centre forward and players 500 yards behind him?
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id like to say I saw some promising things tonight.
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Just when will it end?
I thought the championship was meant to be fun?! This is more dismal than the premier league imo.
Same as ever.....we played fine at 0-0 but offered little after going behind.
I'm at a loss really as to what to do. As much as I don't want another sacking, Bruce is done here if he doesn't beat Rotherham away let's be honest. The two home games beforehand are very crucial aswell particularly the Bristol game.
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I actually thought that we were the better team for the first 40 minutes controlling the game without creating any chances of note but yet again the defence ballsed it up and from then on we capitulated at the back, both goals conceded were rank shit.
Looked like we were going to concede more than we did in the second half, Bjarnasson was poo pity he wasn’t subbed before he was, and to cap it all off Hogan looks like he has a bad injury and Kodjia limping off. Can’t see where the goals are going to come from for the rest of the season.
Just glad we weren’t playing Sutton in the cup tonight.
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No strikers fit now then? Green and Davis up top? Buggered.
We are the most consistently unlucky team i have ever witnessed.
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We're fucked, aren't we?
Yep. Hogan likely to miss the rest of the season, Kodjia injured? hopefully not serious, Gabby injured, Kozak injured. Is RHM fit?
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Its not like the kids could do a worse job? Single digit shots on target and no goals.
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We're fucked, aren't we?
At what stage do I start offering tips on pubs near Bristol Rovers?
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You just stole my line.
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We're fucked, aren't we?
Yep. Hogan likely to miss the rest of the season, Kodjia injured? hopefully not serious, Gabby injured, Kozak injured. Is RHM fit?
Any idea what happened to Hogan?
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It a well known fact that the championship is a physical league and our best centre back isn't even six foot. Then we want to know why we continue to concede from set peices.
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No strikers fit now then? Green and Davis up top? Buggered.
We are the most consistently unlucky team i have ever witnessed.
Luck really doesn't come into it. We're just shit. As for strikers, we didn't have to sell Gestede the second the window opened, and he could have tried actually getting McCormack fit and integrated.
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Bruce out. Negative set up, negative football. He needs to fuck off
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Shelvey can sod off to Deliverance and play a banjo.
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id like to say I saw some promising things tonight.
But presumably you didn't. Unless we were watching a different game!!
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Same old same old. Nearly 7 years. 7 managers. 70 playets A. Load of bollocks all underachieved since part time pube head cretin ducked off.
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How are we expected to score goals with one centre forward and players 500 yards behind him?
Thats just it, our only gameplan is to sit deep and wack the fucking ball to Hogan, theres never anybody within 20 yards of him.
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That's it for me. No more money or time invested in this til next season. That second half was abysmal. Utterly shit. The new signings are, to a man, massively unimpressive.
Hogan's injury is typical of the uninterrupted kick in the nuts we've endured since o'Neill left. And only because of the price tag, because he has been shite since he came, along with the other new signings aside from 10 ins here and there.
No point in changing the manager either. He, along with the players are easy good enough for this shockingly bad league. I have no clue what we need to do but won't be watching any more car crashes till after the summer.
Shit.
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Great idea to sell Ayew, Gestede and McCormack
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Keep Bruce, sack Bruce. Don't matter. I think we are going down.
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We're fucked, aren't we?
Yep. Hogan likely to miss the rest of the season, Kodjia injured? hopefully not serious, Gabby injured, Kozak injured. Is RHM fit?
Any idea what happened to Hogan?
Looks like ankle ligament damage..
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6 points above relegation, What is the fucking point. Aston Villa the team you want to play to build your confidence.
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This lot are now not only stealing a living but not even pretending to hide it. They simply couldn't give a toss.
New signings are awful, every one of them. Can't think of a single one of them that brings anything to the squad.
Far too many wage thieves at our club.
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Great idea to sell Ayew, Gestede and McCormack
We didn't sell McCormack.
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No strikers fit now then? Green and Davis up top? Buggered.
We are the most consistently unlucky team i have ever witnessed.
Luck really doesn't come into it. We're just shit. As for strikers, we didn't have to sell Gestede the second the window opened, and he could have tried actually getting McCormack fit and integrated.
Agree about the sales of those 2 Risso. We just seem to never catch a break. We are truly fucked now though. Derby will piss on us.
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Right. The walking dead is on now. Add your own punchline.
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It's the old cliche but we have to stick together and fight our way out of this. The difference between the two sides was that the winning one benefitted from being well-drilled and settled for the best part of a year now.
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Same old, same old. Didn't look too bad despite not having a midfield, then concede a daft goal and we melt.
We need some young energetic players in the team, this lot are all so slow and ponderous. Just like the team they replaced last month were all too slow and ponderous. What an utter waste of money.
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We hardly ever score when we are on top, we always concede under the slightest pressure.
We have no fight and are effectively out of a game once we've gone behind.
We appointed Bruce on the basis that he's good in promotion battles. Unfortunately, his record in relegation battles is abysmal, and that's what we are in now.
He has to go, before it's too late.
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Didn't think we were too terrible overall without creating a fat lot but absolutely lousy goals to give away again. It's hard enough going to places like that without gifting them goals.
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id like to say I saw some promising things tonight.
But presumably you didn't. Unless we were watching a different game!!
the ref wasn't to bad.
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Right. The walking dead is on now. Add your own punchline.
Just watched them at St James Park
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We were adequate in the first 40 minutes. Slow, pedestrian, cautious which is ok when you are tight at the back. Which we aren't. As soon as a goal goes in we are beaten. No fight, no taking the game to the opposition. As they were tapping it around after 70 minutes, 2-0 up, compare us to Preston at Villa Park a couple of weeks ago. The were snapping into us, pushing us back, wanting to win. None of that from us.
Then our distribution... no pressure, give the ball away time, after time, after time... criminal. Embarrassing. How can we be so poor.
Substitutions - might change the game - no let's wait until the second (or third) goal goes in. Idiotic.
Finally, for the second time in six months we buy the top performing striker in the division. Another player who needs clever balls played through to him, to his feet. What do we do? Play him as a target man and thump balls towards him. Fucking stupid beyond belief. And now he is out for the season. Brilliant.
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We had a decent first 40 minutes, didn't create anything but were definitely the better of the two sides. Hourihane looked pretty good I thought and our defence looked pretty comfortable.
But even before our usual meltdown, our shape wasn't great. I think we look much better when Kodja is playing more centrally, we never got any kind of service to Hogan who we wont see again this season. Bjarnason shouldn't have come out for the second half. In a generally decent performance he was way below par. We were a goal behind and there was nothing to suggest we'd get back into it. And so it proved. We all knew we wouldn't, it seems Bruce was just hoping despite the evidence that we could nick something. Which is a massive worry. Ironic that Bjarneson had the best/only chance in the second half cos he was no better after the break.
SHQ's observation about none of the Villa players going over to check on Hogan after he broke his ankle or tore ligaments was a bit of a revelation. Surely if a stranger broke his ankle in front of you in the street you'd check if they were ok? Doesn't say a lot for our team spirit that's for sure.
We haven't won in 9 games and if one of the bottom 3 starts to grind out a few wins I can genuinely see us going down.
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Positivity.......it was only 2-0.
Many contributors were thinking a real stuffing but we were causing them enough to worry them up to the goal ( as usual ) If only......we could have got a goal, but we didn't, so SB and Co now have to write that one off ( written off well before now, I guess anyway ) and work on the next one. Kodjia will be OK, he's just a bit of a fragile one, isn't he ?
And I guess Bakes will be back for Derby. We can do it. We will do it.
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Lets just hope Sky don't put us on tv again on the grounds we get just enough points to scrape a 16th place finish.
It is truely desperate. So many players making individual errors which stems from a lack of confidence. It's time they got a fucking grip and got back to basics we need 12-14 points to stay in this league with the same amount of games. That should be the only focus now.
They should have double sessions and be working on positional sense, working in pairs, defending from frigging corners. No more hard luck stories don't let luck effect the game.
We are in real trouble and are sleepwalking to defeat after defeat.
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No strikers fit now then? Green and Davis up top? Buggered.
We are the most consistently unlucky team i have ever witnessed.
Luck really doesn't come into it. We're just shit. As for strikers, we didn't have to sell Gestede the second the window opened, and he could have tried actually getting McCormack fit and integrated.
McCormack was given chances by Bruce but was awful.
Any player with any self respect should be fit enough to be play, McCormack was a slob on and off the pitch
Gestede the same, though I agree we shouldnt have sold him until the end of the transfer window if at all
Ayew can have no real complaints either but getting rid of three senior strikers in Jan was too much change perhaps
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We hardly ever score when we are on top, we always concede under the slightest pressure.
We have no fight and are effectively out of a game once we've gone behind.
We appointed Bruce on the basis that he's good in promotion battles. Unfortunately, his record in relegation battles is abysmal, and that's what we are in now.
He has to go, before it's too late.
this
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Hogan totally isolated as were Bjarnasson and Kodjia. It wouldn't be too bad if our forward roaming dynamic pair of Lansbury and Hourahane got forward to support but they don't, in fact they were fucking shite. Bjarnnason looks like a load of bollocks anyway, although he still deserves time. Bacuna in next match though if we play the same way. Get Green on the left and Kodjia down the middle.
I thought Taylor and Jedinak largely did well tonight. The centre backs not too bad apart from the total panic for the 2 goals. Hutton wasn't as bad as he can be.
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Great idea to sell Ayew, Gestede and McCormack
We didn't sell McCormack.
You're right. All's ok
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just look at our results
at least we got that stability everyone was going on about
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Right. The walking dead is on now. Add your own punchline.
Just watched them at St James Park
Sleep-walking to League 1
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I said after Forest I thought we could genuinely go down and got slaughtered for it.
All these "Captains and leaders of men" we signed seem to have vanished. I looked around after Jack was sent off at Forest, there was nothing. No leadership from anyone.
This team has no heart, and if it's not careful, will be completely reshaped again to cope with the rigours of the third division.
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We looked ok until we conceded our first soft goal, then there was always going to be only one winner, and a matter of time until the next.
We are in a catch 22 where we lack confidence until we win a game, and we can't win a game because we lack confidence and keep making mistakes.
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Keep Bruce, sack Bruce. Don't matter. I think we are going down.
As we have to go away to Rotherham, Wigan, Blackburn & Burton it doesn't look good
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There are a few ' the worst of it' things when it comes to villa.
The worst of it (1) is that if we go a goal down, whoever the opposition, then it's game over. The team has no fucking balls.
The worst of it (2) is that this is shaping up like last season. Can't buy a goal, can't buy a win, can't buy a fucking performance. And all the time we are being sucked further and further down the table.
The worst of it (3) is that I'm starting to not give a shit anymore.
They need to realise they are now in a relegation battle, fuck, I can't believe I'm even thinking about that.
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Fingers crossed hogans not badly hurt but never a good sign when a player can't walk off
It's remarkable we sign some of the leagues best players who then play exactly as their predecessors did
If we go down does the good dr pull the plug?
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Two soft goals again, as someone pointed out we are too small in defence and will always struggle with high balls into the box. One thing I noticed was that Kodja just refuses to pass to Hogan the one cross he put in was for Adomah coming in from the wing.
Bruce looks as though he has run out of ideas, we have no game plan that I can see and a loss to Derby may see the end of him. Credit to Hutton who gave his all and tried to support the forwards he may be limited but is up to this division, Taylor did okay but Hourihan who I really wanted us to get has up til now been disappointing. We have some good players at Villa but I am thinking that Bruce just doesn't know how to use them.
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Elphick beaten by his man twice at corners for the goals. How many times can we keep giving this guy a go. He is shit
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We had a decent first 40 minutes, didn't create anything but were definitely the better of the two sides. Hourihane looked pretty good I thought and our defence looked pretty comfortable.
But even before our usual meltdown, our shape wasn't great. I think we look much better when Kodja is playing more centrally, we never got any kind of service to Hogan who we wont see again this season. Bjarnason shouldn't have come out for the second half. In a generally decent performance he was way below par. We were a goal behind and there was nothing to suggest we'd get back into it. And so it proved. We all knew we wouldn't, it seems Bruce was just hoping despite the evidence that we could nick something. Which is a massive worry. Ironic that Bjarneson had the best/only chance in the second half cos he was no better after the break.
SHQ's observation about none of the Villa players going over to check on Hogan after he broke his ankle or tore ligaments was a bit of a revelation. Surely if a stranger broke his ankle in front of you in the street you'd check if they were ok? Doesn't say a lot for our team spirit that's for sure.
We haven't won in 9 games and if one of the bottom 3 starts to grind out a few wins I can genuinely see us going down.
Garry Thompson and Regan on WM mentioned it...eventually Hutton walked over after 2 minutes to check.
It's disgusting and doesn't indicate the team spirit with all the new players is going to be any better than last season.
What the hell happens when they walk through the doors at Bodymoor?
Chester who is imo one of the few who does have the right attitude was saying it in an interview....start of the season he was giving constructive criticism to a couple of players and they weren't having it.
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We cause our own problems...
A professional first 40 minutes but then we concede from a scramble - you just know if there was a scramble at the other end that we wouldn't get it over the line.
It was game over after that to be honest. The own goal sums up our season. Lansbury was in the right place but didn't do the job required.
Bjarnasson had the type of chance that you just know would have gone in had it been against us.
There were shoots of encouragement throughout the game, particularly in the first half but we don't string enough of these moments together or offer any sort of consistency.
Hogan looks lively but we haven't given him the right service yet and an unfortunate injury looks like we won't have the chance to build on his running for the rest of the season.
We've been a work in progress for too long. I'm running out of patience.
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Brontë. Gestede was a slob on and off the pitch? I can't allow that to go unchallenged.
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We need to start playing two up front every game to build a partnership. But now that Hogan is injured we're totally screwed. We need to recall Mccormack. Even if he plays crap for us, at least he won't be scoring for Forest. The downward spiral continues....
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Can't give enough praise to those who travelled tonight. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
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He's just said 'they were two horrible goals to give away' Wor this, wor that'
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Finally, for the second time in six months we buy the top performing striker in the division. Another player who needs clever balls played through to him, to his feet. What do we do? Play him as a target man and thump balls towards him. Fucking stupid beyond belief. And now he is out for the season. Brilliant.
Its fucking ridiculous, we buy the best players without giving a thought on how to play them. Any fucker could see that Hogan is a clever player with good movement that works with a functioning midfield and clever passing. We brought him, as we did with McCormack and Kodjia, purely because he scores goals, but we play the absolute opposite of what he's used to, Bruce hasn't got a clue how to get the best out of him. He looks absolutely shite in this system, which is unfair on the lad.
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Fat mac back from forest? We are fucked
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He's just said 'they were two horrible goals to give away' Wor this, wor that'
And he's right, they were two horrible goals to give away.
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I hate to say it, as I usually preach patience, but Bruce now seems like he's done. Promising start but quickly turned to shit. Fucking hell villa. Where does it end?
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Not one showed desire or passion tonight, FUCK OFF Bruce.
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Elphick beaten by his man twice at corners for the goals. How many times can we keep giving this guy a go. He is shit
For someone so poor with the ball at his feet and his lack of pace, if he's going to get bullied at corners you wonder what qualities he brings.
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I honestly can't give a shit. We will be lucky not to drop this year. We will walk league one......
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I honestly can't give a shit. We will be lucky not to drop this year. We will walk league one......
I like this 8)
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Is it possible to get McCormack back from Forest?
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Elphick beaten by his man twice at corners for the goals. How many times can we keep giving this guy a go. He is shit
For someone so poor with the ball at his feet and his lack of pace, if he's going to get bullied at corners you wonder what qualities he brings.
No fucker kicks a goal post like Tommy!!
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We are now well and truly in the potting shed and Rogers footsteps are getting louder.
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What a bunch of flaccid spunktrumpets.
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Definitely ligaments for Hogan. He went right over on it. At least 3 months I would think so that would be it for this season.
Considering it was from our corner and he was clearly in distress, it really was appalling that no-one went to him. Just a group of players thrown together with no identity and no togetherness. We are in serious trouble.
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Elphick beaten by his man twice at corners for the goals. How many times can we keep giving this guy a go. He is shit
For someone so poor with the ball at his feet and his lack of pace, if he's going to get bullied at corners you wonder what qualities he brings.
No fucker kicks a goal post like Tommy!!
I think Lansbury managed to "make it his own" today.
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Keep Bruce, sack Bruce. Don't matter. I think we are going down.
As we have to go away to Rotherham, Wigan, Blackburn & Burton it doesn't look good
Never mind about now I can't stop looking at 2 of the last 3 fixtures when we're fighting for points .....blues and Brighton !... buggered now and in the run in. It's going to come down to not about points we can get, more like can teams below us get enough to drop us in
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Despite not getting thoroughly gubbed tonight, I honestly can't see where the next point is coming from. If Bruce stays: we're fucked. We might well be fucked with a replacement now, but I have no confidence in the current Manager's ability to turn this utter shitefest around. Give Rowett the gig & see if he can get this bunch of confused & criminally-underachieving players organised and believing in themselves. We are totally leaderless on and off the park; & heading for L1. Change it now Tony FFS!!
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Definitely ligaments for Hogan. He went right over on it. At least 3 months I would think so that would be it for this season.
Considering it was from our corner and he was clearly in distress, it really was appalling that no-one went to him. Just a group of players thrown together with no identity and no togetherness. We are in serious trouble.
Spot on .
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Our record in live TV games this season:
P17
W1
We're a fucking national laughing stock.
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Sack Bruce and who do you get?
But just before you all answer I was called perposterous for suggesting Nigel Pearson in the summer. Wouldn't mind a bit of that fight right now
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No matter how shit this is surely we can't keep getting managers in for 14 or 15 games and keep changing !?
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The problem is confidence, and Bruce can't offer it. Rowett, regardless of the football his Blues side played, made them more than the sum of their parts somehow. I don't want him back in a month of Sundays, but at least Tim Sherwood was the only manager in the last half decade who made us look like a fucking team. Get rid of Bruce, who is a busted flush, and get someone in who can give us a bit of bloody backbone.
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were battling it out on Twitter trending at numbers 2 and 3 with Wayne Shaw of Sutton eating a massive pie in the dugout
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Rowett. You have to be fucking kidding me
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Despite not getting thoroughly gubbed tonight, I honestly can't see where the next point is coming from. If Bruce stays: we're fucked. We might well be fucked with a replacement now, but I have no confidence in the current Manager's ability to turn this utter shitefest around. Give Rowett the gig & see if he can get this bunch of confused & criminally-underachieving players organised and believing in themselves. We are totally leaderless on and off the park; & heading for L1. Change it now Tony FFS!!
You are right, but even though it was 2-0 it might have well been a drubbing.
After 40 mins, and the first goal, the game was over.
No fight, no passion no belief.
The second half was another sterile, non descript, non eventful waste of 45 minutes that we have seen far too often.
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Our record in live TV games this season:
P17
W1
We're a fucking national laughing stock.
Jesus really? The QPR game and that's it.
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Poor is the best I can say.
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The problem is confidence, and Bruce can't offer it. Rowett, regardless of the football his Blues side played, made them more than the sum of their parts somehow. I don't want him back in a month of Sundays, but at least Tim Sherwood was the only manager in the last half decade who made us look like a fucking team. Get rid of Bruce, who is a busted flush, and get someone in who can give us a bit of bloody backbone.
Hear, hear!
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It's truly depressing to note that the last truly good half of football we played wasn't even on our own ground. Beating the Scousers at Wembley isn't going to keep us from dropping like a stone into Division Three again.
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I love The Villa, always will.
But I really couldn't give a shit about any of the tossers in recent years who have played for us, managed us, or anybody else who has had any direct input into our sorrowful and pathetic demise.
They have successfully alienated me and I now get absolutely zero pleasure from following us.
But these chancers and greedy underperforming fuckers who have tried to destroy my spirit can never take away my memories of days gone by.
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Most of them were crap, but special mention to Elphick (again), Barney and Kodjia. I suspect Elphick shaded it as Newcastle Man of the Match.
What summed it up for me was when both Hutton and Taylor moved forward with the ball with nobody offering any support so they ended up having to dribble. Surprisingly they beat a couple of players and there's still no support so they kicked the ball out of play or back to Newcastle.
Shouldn't really call this a team, they are a bunch of over-rated, expensive individuals. Thank God I'm old enough to have seen a real Villa team.
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I love The Villa, always will.
But I really couldn't give a shit about any of the tossers in recent years who have played for us, managed us, or anybody else who has had any direct input into our sorrowful and pathetic demise.
They have successfully alienated me and I now get absolutely zero pleasure from following us.
But these chancers and greedy underperforming fuckers who have tried to destroy my spirit can never take away my memories of days gone by.
Same here.
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Rowett. You have to be fucking kidding me
Well who else is available who could come in & turn this horror show around? I'll be jiggered if I can come up with any other realistic alternatives now.
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Most of them were crap, but special mention to Elphick (again), Barney and Kodjia. I suspect Elphick shaded it as Newcastle Man of the Match.
What summed it up for me was when both Hutton and Taylor moved forward with the ball with nobody offering any support so they ended up having to dribble. Surprisingly they beat a couple of players and there's still no support so they kicked the ball out of play or back to Newcastle.
Shouldn't really call this a team, they are a bunch of over-rated, expensive individuals. Thank God I'm old enough to have seen a real Villa team.
your last paragraph is the real killer for me
My 9 year old came into the room took a look at the score then moaned at why he had to support such a shit team, as that's what they have been all his life
he's football mad but not Villa mad
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Rowett. You have to be fucking kidding me
Well who else is available who could come in & turn this horror show around? I'll be jiggered if I can come up with any other realistic alternatives now.
There aren't any. We've got to keep Steve Bruce
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Brontë. Gestede was a slob on and off the pitch? I can't allow that to go unchallenged.
Don't think I said that, certainly didn't mean it as Gestede seemed to give his all
But he was truly awful for us under multiple managers, he didn't resemble a footballer a lot of the time
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Rowett. You have to be fucking kidding me
Well who else is available who could come in & turn this horror show around? I'll be jiggered if I can come up with any other realistic alternatives now.
There aren't any. We've got to keep Steve Bruce
I don't want Bruce sacked, but if it does happen I can't be taking another ex Bluenose as manager. No more, please!
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Too many players walking, not enough closing down, easily beaten at corners, lack of movement, lack of concentration. Three wise monkeys on the side with not a clue how to change it. Lack of motivation, lack of organization, lack of marking. Only one shot on goal all game, the opposition yet again, score with their first shot on target. When does it all end? Shambles.
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Rowett. You have to be fucking kidding me
Well who else is available who could come in & turn this horror show around? I'll be jiggered if I can come up with any other realistic alternatives now.
There aren't any. We've got to keep Steve Bruce
Fair enough. L1 here we come then.
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Rowett. You have to be fucking kidding me
Well who else is available who could come in & turn this horror show around? I'll be jiggered if I can come up with any other realistic alternatives now.
There aren't any. We've got to keep Steve Bruce
Weren't you just spouting for Pearson again?
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Considering the level opposition, and it really is shit in this division, this has to be worst run of results for 46 years.
I'm not convinced we have to stick with the manager responsible.
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Elphick beaten by his man twice at corners for the goals. How many times can we keep giving this guy a go. He is shit
For someone so poor with the ball at his feet and his lack of pace, if he's going to get bullied at corners you wonder what qualities he brings.
No fucker kicks a goal post like Tommy!!
I think Lansbury managed to "make it his own" today.
Great work Dave.
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I'm not personally fussed about Rowett, but there's something impressive about taking a Blues squad which was divested of any last bit of known talent - for what it was worth - and making them a viable bet for the play-offs. If we had a manager who could make just one of our players look capable of turning a game in our favour, I'd sign my life savings over to him right now,
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Rowett. You have to be fucking kidding me
Well who else is available who could come in & turn this horror show around? I'll be jiggered if I can come up with any other realistic alternatives now.
There aren't any. We've got to keep Steve Bruce
Weren't you just spouting for Pearson again?
No. I said I was called perposterous for suggesting it and inferred I wouldn't mind that kind of fight. Got to stick with Steve Bruce. Can't keep chopping and changing, should have had Pearson in summer, we wouldn't be in fucking 17th place
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Rowett. You have to be fucking kidding me
Well who else is available who could come in & turn this horror show around? I'll be jiggered if I can come up with any other realistic alternatives now.
There aren't any. We've got to keep Steve Bruce
I don't want Bruce sacked, but if it does happen I can't be taking another ex Bluenose as manager. No more, please!
I know it's all academic now, but I'd have taken Hughton or Rowett over Bruce any day (and still would). I loath that Sty-dwelling mob as much as anybody, but we need somebody who can actually sort out this shite that our last 2 managers have wasted many millions on 'achieving'.
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Too many players walking, not enough closing down, easily beaten at corners, lack of movement, lack of concentration. Three wise monkeys on the side with not a clue how to change it. Lack of motivation, lack of organization, lack of marking. Only one shot on goal all game, the opposition yet again, score with their first shot on target. When does it all end? Shambles.
The tempo of the side is all wrong. We are lethargic, one paced and passive. I get that there is a lack of confidence but you only turn things round by working harder, and for each other. I just don't see it within this group of players.
They are as far away from being a team as can be at the moment - and that is down to the manager.
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The most damning thing for me is we are now worse than we were the day RDM was sacked.
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The word is preposterous.
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Lets just hope Sky don't put us on tv again on the grounds we get just enough points to scrape a 16th place finish.
It is truely desperate. So many players making individual errors which stems from a lack of confidence. It's time they got a fucking grip and got back to basics we need 12-14 points to stay in this league with the same amount of games. That should be the only focus now.
They should have double sessions and be working on positional sense, working in pairs, defending from frigging corners. No more hard luck stories don't let luck effect the game.
We are in real trouble and are sleepwalking to defeat after defeat.
I can't see us getting 2-4 points let alone those optimistic numbers
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The most damning thing for me is we are now worse than we were the day RDM was sacked.
It's remarkable. For all this talk of a curse (and exactly how was this curse placed, incidentally?), how we have managed to get worse over the course of seven seasons while still spending a fuckton of money is staggering.
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Definitely ligaments for Hogan. He went right over on it. At least 3 months I would think so that would be it for this season.
Considering it was from our corner and he was clearly in distress, it really was appalling that no-one went to him. Just a group of players thrown together with no identity and no togetherness. We are in serious trouble.
It's a very interesting point about no one seeing if Hogan was okay until Hutton came over. Gary Thompson was raging about it on the radio. The team spirit appears non existent.
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The most damning thing for me is we are now worse than we were the day RDM was sacked.
Depressing (and mind boggling), but true.
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yep i would have quite happily given RDM the time to turn it around because we looked good on occassions, but that was back in the days of "we must get back up this season, no matter what" and so the 'promotion specialist' was brought in. I dread to think what will happen if we give Bruce the time RDM should have got.
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Definitely ligaments for Hogan. He went right over on it. At least 3 months I would think so that would be it for this season.
Considering it was from our corner and he was clearly in distress, it really was appalling that no-one went to him. Just a group of players thrown together with no identity and no togetherness. We are in serious trouble.
It's a very interesting point about no one seeing if Hogan was okay until Hutton came over. Gary Thompson was raging about it on the radio. The team spirit appears non existent.
utterly depressing
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Huge no to Rowett, he's another backs to the wall hoofball merchant that can talk a bunch of tinpot nobodies up but would be totally out of his depth at a club where there was any meaningful level of expectation. If he'd been at any other club in the championship playing the way he has no one would mention him but managing 6 miles down the road seems to be enough for some people to see him as an option.
As for Pearson I call bollocks on that, he took on a Derby side who were well placed for a run at the play offs without any of the baggage we had or the rebuilding needed and he completely fucked them up. Shit manager, complete wanker and the 1 person we could employ that would make me walk away from the sport.
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Definitely ligaments for Hogan. He went right over on it. At least 3 months I would think so that would be it for this season.
Considering it was from our corner and he was clearly in distress, it really was appalling that no-one went to him. Just a group of players thrown together with no identity and no togetherness. We are in serious trouble.
It's a very interesting point about no one seeing if Hogan was okay until Hutton came over. Gary Thompson was raging about it on the radio. The team spirit appears non existent.
utterly depressing
You can tell we're in trouble from that alone. Eleven individuals with nobody taking the lead.
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Thankfully I was working. But I can just imagine how it went down. As it is burnt on to my retinas from previous games.
Without having read the thread (but knowing the score) we had most of the ball for about 30 minutes without doing anything of note. Then it got comical.
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Increasingly I am finding that the best way to handle this is just to care less.
I checked on the score twice this evening. It's all become so predictable. We go a goal down and you just know we're straight to trying to limit it to 2 or 3.
I just don't care that much anymore.
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That performance had relegation written all over it!
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We're going down.
Newcastle are crap and are top of this league which shows how poor it is.
The two goals were two of the most Villa goals you'll ever see.
Newcastle the quietest fans this season along with Ipswich. Heard more noise at Bescot.
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I actually thought that we were the better team for the first 40 minutes controlling the game without creating any chances of note but yet again the defence ballsed it up and from then on we capitulated at the back, both goals conceded were rank shit.
Looked like we were going to concede more than we did in the second half, Bjarnasson was poo pity he wasn’t subbed before he was, and to cap it all off Hogan looks like he has a bad injury and Kodjia limping off. Can’t see where the goals are going to come from for the rest of the season.
Just glad we weren’t playing Sutton in the cup tonight.
We were the better team until the goal. Two of the most comedy of errors goals you will ever see. What about the penalty that wasn't? Was he offside? The rule changes every season.
Kodjia plays plays for himself and contributes little to the team although that has become more noticeable since the bad run started / he came back from Africa.
The defence can't defend and the forwards can't score goals. Other than that we look a good side.
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I actually thought that we were the better team for the first 40 minutes controlling the game without creating any chances of note but yet again the defence ballsed it up and from then on we capitulated at the back, both goals conceded were rank shit.
Looked like we were going to concede more than we did in the second half, Bjarnasson was poo pity he wasn’t subbed before he was, and to cap it all off Hogan looks like he has a bad injury and Kodjia limping off. Can’t see where the goals are going to come from for the rest of the season.
Just glad we weren’t playing Sutton in the cup tonight.
We were the better team until the goal. Two of the most comedy of errors goals you will ever see. What about the penalty that wasn't? Was he offside? The rule changes every season.
Kodjia plays plays for himself and contributes little to the team although that has become more noticeable since the bad run started / he came back from Africa.
The defence can't defend and the forwards can't score goals. Other than that we look a good side.
This:
We were the better team until the goal.
Really should replace Prepared, it's the case so fucking often.
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Increasingly I am finding that the best way to handle this is just to care less.
I checked on the score twice this evening. It's all become so predictable. We go a goal down and you just know we're straight to trying to limit it to 2 or 3.
I just don't care that much anymore.
You do. You absolutely do.
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The most damning thing for me is we are now worse than we were the day RDM was sacked.
It's remarkable. For all this talk of a curse (and exactly how was this curse placed, incidentally?), how we have managed to get worse over the course of seven seasons while still spending a fuckton of money is staggering.
I have a confession to make....
I made it a ritual of mine never to leave early, even being hammered 4-1 by Coventry at home one miserable afternoon I stayed to the bitter end.
Some years later....
Aston Villa 2-0 Stoke City 87 minutes played, having sung "are you watching Arsenal" for 20 odd minutes as we powered 10 points ahead in the race for 4th, I was persuaded to leave early by some mates.
It was 2-2 by the time I had reached bottom of Holte steps.
I broke my own ritual and thus triggered the biggest clusterfuck football curse ever to reign down on any club.
Some more years later....
Please footballing gods, let this torment end, I am not worthy of forgiveness, but just make it end.
Sorry to everyone concerned.
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Tonight I saw an improvement of sorts in the first half, especially given our away performances, against the best side in this division.
The team as a whole look more composed in open play defensively with Jedinak in too. I'm not sure why Baker wasn't in the 11 today as I think his aerial ability might well have helped us out with the set pieces, which were atrocious.
As for the strikers, our good run just after Bruce took over was with Kodjia up top alone. Hogan hasn't had enough time for me to form any lasting opinion and his injury I imagine will mean that continues to be the case, but I think it's fair to say he's struggled so far.
Get back to an out and out 4-3-3, Grealish/Green and Adomah wide, JK central, the midfield three tonight and Baker at the back, we'll have enough to be safe. Hopefully we'll start to look like more of a team for next season.
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I love The Villa, always will.
But I really couldn't give a shit about any of the tossers in recent years who have played for us, managed us, or anybody else who has had any direct input into our sorrowful and pathetic demise.
They have successfully alienated me and I now get absolutely zero pleasure from following us.
But these chancers and greedy underperforming fuckers who have tried to destroy my spirit can never take away my memories of days gone by.
Same here, Andy Lochhead.
Like you, I followed the club down to Division 3 and even in those 2 relegation years there was fight and spirit in the team. In fact, wearing claret and blue blinkers, I thought we were unlucky to go down on both occasions.
What we have now is a very expensively assembled collection of fanny danglers, poltroons, thimble riggers and Nancy Boys who should take to pitch wearing frilly cuffs and ruffs.
They can go and take a flying fuck at the moon.
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I am normally the most logical person you could meet. I've been an atheist since before I knew what that meant. I am aware nothing I can do will influence how Aston Villa play. That doesn't stop me wondering if I should take a Villa shirt into the nearest church and dunking it in the font.
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What is the point in playing just Hogan up front. He is not going to hold the ball up or mix it with the opposition central defenders. We do not looking like scoring and for Bruce to say that we had 3 or 4 good chances, I must have been asleep as I only saw one.
With Kodjia going off, I thought he should have brought Amavi on and played him in midfield but no, Bruce brings on another right footed players to make us totally unbalanced.
When I saw the team, I thought he would go 4-1-3-2 and take the game to them. Totally fed up with the negative tactics week after week. If he was going to play this way, why didn't he bring in a strong left sided central defender.
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The most damning thing for me is we are now worse than we were the day RDM was sacked.
It's remarkable. For all this talk of a curse (and exactly how was this curse placed, incidentally?), how we have managed to get worse over the course of seven seasons while still spending a fuckton of money is staggering.
I have a confession to make....
I made it a ritual of mine never to leave early, even being hammered 4-1 by Coventry at home one miserable afternoon I stayed to the bitter end.
Some years later....
Aston Villa 2-0 Stoke City 87 minutes played, having sung "are you watching Arsenal" for 20 odd minutes as we powered 10 points ahead in the race for 4th, I was persuaded to leave early by some mates.
It was 2-2 by the time I had reached bottom of Holte steps.
I broke my own ritual and thus triggered the biggest clusterfuck football curse ever to reign down on any club.
Some more years later....
Please footballing gods, let this torment end, I am not worthy of forgiveness, but just make it end.
Sorry to everyone concerned.
To break the curse you need to come into a game in the 88th minute when we are 2-0 down.
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Rowett. You have to be fucking kidding me
Well who else is available who could come in & turn this horror show around? I'll be jiggered if I can come up with any other realistic alternatives now.
There aren't any. We've got to keep Steve Bruce
Weren't you just spouting for Pearson again?
No. I said I was called perposterous for suggesting it and inferred I wouldn't mind that kind of fight. Got to stick with Steve Bruce. Can't keep chopping and changing, should have had Pearson in summer, we wouldn't be in fucking 17th place
I'm not sure on what logic that's based on. Derby were 20th when he got sacked by them, just as he often seems to get sacked for being an arsehole.
I'm all for a bit of fight. But it needs to go hand in hand with tactical nous, intelligence and innovation.
If we just want someone who is going to shout and swear and ramble on about ostriches, then any of the regulars at my local could do the job for far less money.
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The most damning thing for me is we are now worse than we were the day RDM was sacked.
It's remarkable. For all this talk of a curse (and exactly how was this curse placed, incidentally?), how we have managed to get worse over the course of seven seasons while still spending a fuckton of money is staggering.
I have a confession to make....
I made it a ritual of mine never to leave early, even being hammered 4-1 by Coventry at home one miserable afternoon I stayed to the bitter end.
Some years later....
Aston Villa 2-0 Stoke City 87 minutes played, having sung "are you watching Arsenal" for 20 odd minutes as we powered 10 points ahead in the race for 4th, I was persuaded to leave early by some mates.
It was 2-2 by the time I had reached bottom of Holte steps.
I broke my own ritual and thus triggered the biggest clusterfuck football curse ever to reign down on any club.
Some more years later....
Please footballing gods, let this torment end, I am not worthy of forgiveness, but just make it end.
Sorry to everyone concerned.
To break the curse you need to come into a game in the 88th minute when we are 2-0 down.
I will get to VP for 5:43pm on Saturday then
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Definitely ligaments for Hogan. He went right over on it. At least 3 months I would think so that would be it for this season.
Considering it was from our corner and he was clearly in distress, it really was appalling that no-one went to him. Just a group of players thrown together with no identity and no togetherness. We are in serious trouble.
It's a very interesting point about no one seeing if Hogan was okay until Hutton came over. Gary Thompson was raging about it on the radio. The team spirit appears non existent.
utterly depressing
Truly shocking. By far and away the worst part of the night for me.
Newcastle players called on the physio didn't they?
That's it. That's your team spirit right there. And f there's no team spirit its over.
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I will get to VP for 5:43pm on Saturday then
Just in time to see our first substitution.
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What is the point in playing just Hogan up front. He is not going to hold the ball up or mix it with the opposition central defenders. We do not looking like scoring and for Bruce to say that we had 3 or 4 good chances, I must have been asleep as I only saw one.
With Kodjia going off, I thought he should have brought Amavi on and played him in midfield but no, Bruce brings on another right footed players to make us totally unbalanced.
When I saw the team, I thought he would go 4-1-3-2 and take the game to them. Totally fed up with the negative tactics week after week. If he was going to play this way, why didn't he bring in a strong left sided central defender.
Was Bjarnason really on the right wing tonight? He seemed to be a lot more narrow than Kodjia. Certainly gave us no width.
The two times Bjarnason got close to Hogan, he had two great chances. Granted benefiting from poor Newcastle defending.
Hourihane and Lansbury were far too deep in the second half. One of them should have been playing off Hogan. But Bruce erred badly by not replacing a flagging Jedinak much earlier, that meant we retreated further. Lansbury is painfully slow and has an appalling attitude. Hourihane disappeared without trace in the second half too.
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Kodjia needs to listen to ac dc. A touch too much. We are in relegation form and sooner we ditch Bruce the better. Today and for a while we have had relegation Bruce....i have we backed him for a while but now......no, he is not for us
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Bruce has been in since October now and I'm still struggling to work out what our style of play is? Are we a counter attacking team? Are we a team who wants a lot of possession? I just don't see anything. To me it's like he's just signed a lot of the best players in the league (and turned them to shit), stuck them on the pitch and hoped for the best every game.
It says everything that the first half was probably our best away performance since Brighton in November. It also says a lot when Alan Hutton is your best player.
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When you bring Bacuna on in the last couple of minutes for no apparent reason you know the game is up.
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Definitely ligaments for Hogan. He went right over on it. At least 3 months I would think so that would be it for this season.
Considering it was from our corner and he was clearly in distress, it really was appalling that no-one went to him. Just a group of players thrown together with no identity and no togetherness. We are in serious trouble.
It's a very interesting point about no one seeing if Hogan was okay until Hutton came over. Gary Thompson was raging about it on the radio. The team spirit appears non existent.
utterly depressing
Truly shocking. By far and away the worst part of the night for me.
Newcastle players called on the physio didn't they?
That's it. That's your team spirit right there. And f there's no team spirit its over.
Here is a shocking comparison for you.
Do you you remember when Luke Moore was injured in a bad tackle and David O'Leary ran onto the pitch risking the wrath of the officials to see if he was OK?
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Definitely ligaments for Hogan. He went right over on it. At least 3 months I would think so that would be it for this season.
Considering it was from our corner and he was clearly in distress, it really was appalling that no-one went to him. Just a group of players thrown together with no identity and no togetherness. We are in serious trouble.
It's a very interesting point about no one seeing if Hogan was okay until Hutton came over. Gary Thompson was raging about it on the radio. The team spirit appears non existent.
utterly depressing
Truly shocking. By far and away the worst part of the night for me.
Newcastle players called on the physio didn't they?
That's it. That's your team spirit right there. And f there's no team spirit its over.
I said exactly the same thing when watching it, I think Hutton only came over to get a drink.
Either they don't like Hogan or these guys just don't give a shit.
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To a man, the players should be ashamed. Not just a fellow pro possibly seriously injured but one of their own team mates. Not one of them interested.
Thats Aston Villa 2017 right there.
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To a man, the players should be ashamed. Not just a fellow pro possibly seriously injured but one of their own team mates. Not one of them interested.
Thats Aston Villa 2017 right there.
What you probably wouldn't have seen on tele was that even Steve Bruce didn't turn to the stretcher to acknowledge Hogan when was carried behind him down the tunnel either.
Hutton when to see how he was though and I think another Villa player did as well, but can't be sure. It was a long drive ago - and diverted - as is the norm for traveling back from night matches. A1 closed this time, hopefully they closed the A19 as well by the time the team coach left.
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Watching the first half it seemed like Newcastle like their crowd were a bit flat.
You could only really hear our 2000 singing for large parts of the half.
Newcastle weren't really up for it seemed. As the half was drawing to a close I thought one of two things might happen.
They would eventually wake up and put us under pressure or we would help them out by making a defensive error.
Sure enough, a couple of minutes before half time we gift them a goal and then you know how it will play out from there.
Most teams feeling the mood last night would probably think they had a chance to get at Newcastle but our lot were just going through the motions again giving them no problems and we ended up getting what we deserved. Nothing...again.
It's really hard to see how we will get the goals let alone the wins to stay up.
The Hogan thing just put the cherry on the s##t cake.
Not sure where we go from here.
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One goal and we collapse, no shape, no style, no tactical awareness, no team spirit, no substitutions,not looking fit, all those things mentioned are what you would call the basics of any team sport, never mind football, not having them only points at one person.
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fully expecting Bruce to be gone within a week. disgraceful, unpardonable, unacceptable - all that's left to Villa fans is to re arrange negatives into slightly different sentences with the same meaning.Shite.
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fully expecting Bruce to be gone within a week. disgraceful, unpardonable, unacceptable - all that's left to Villa fans is to re arrange negatives into slightly different sentences with the same meaning.Shite.
..to be replaced by whom?
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I don't have a fucking clue but do you really think that the worst record in the football league since the New Year is something to persevere with?
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fully expecting Bruce to be gone within a week. disgraceful, unpardonable, unacceptable - all that's left to Villa fans is to re arrange negatives into slightly different sentences with the same meaning.Shite.
..to be replaced by whom?
Prandelli
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fully expecting Bruce to be gone within a week. disgraceful, unpardonable, unacceptable - all that's left to Villa fans is to re arrange negatives into slightly different sentences with the same meaning.Shite.
..to be replaced by whom?
Prandelli
Would he come? Would de Boer, Mancini, Rodgers?
Probably not
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Prandelli is out of work, claims to support the club and would get a suit case full of money for his troubles. I think he'd do it.
We are stuck with Bruce.
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Decent first half and the better side without creating too much. Typical that we were sloppy in defence at their first foray into our box. We should have cleared the corner, didn't and looked like we lack belief we could do anything about it.
Second half was poor all round. Another sloppy piece of defending and a soft goal conceded and that was it, they managed the game and we never looked like threatening, bar the once chance from Thor, which he should have buried.
Hourihane and Lansbury didn't get close to Hogan, who spent the game isolated and starved of service. Looked a nasty injury so I doubt we will see him again.
Confidence is rock bottom at present. 7 defeats in 8 league games is terrible form to say the least.
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Felt sorry for Hogan it looked as if Villa players were bypassing him, Kodja may be our leading goal scorer but he continually slows our attacks up by trying to dribble around two or three players. As the losses climb I can imagine the dressing room atmosphere it would be as bad as it has been. I would love for Bruce turn it around and get us to safety so we can plan for next season but if we lose the next two surely he would have to go.
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I love The Villa, always will.
But I really couldn't give a shit about any of the tossers in recent years who have played for us, managed us, or anybody else who has had any direct input into our sorrowful and pathetic demise.
They have successfully alienated me and I now get absolutely zero pleasure from following us.
But these chancers and greedy underperforming fuckers who have tried to destroy my spirit can never take away my memories of days gone by.
Same here.
& me.
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Once we go 1-0 down in a game you know we've lost, which is shameful given how much money we've spent and the standard of opposition in this league. After they scored last night not one part of me thought we would get back into it and I'm sure most Villa fans thought the same.
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I wasn't expecting Bruce to dash on to see if Hogan was ok. However, watching on TV with the sound off, it was strange to see how long that it took one player to check how Hogan was.
Players shocked at their performance, collective indifference, dislike of Hogan ? Whatever it is, something is rotten in the state of Denmark
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I get the feeling that to a man the Villa player's all hate each other. The Chester interview appeared to confirm it. When this has happened in times past young players, untainted by personal animosity have helped restore a bit of team spirit. It really took hold in the dressing room when Sherwood used his favoured players to unsettle the francophones and shore up his own not-my-fault-guv position as Mr Shortlistofone.
And who do we see warming up for the Derby game? Well I never. Mr Agbonlahor and Mr Richards. Just the chaps we need to unite the dressing room.
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I get the feeling that to a man the Villa player's all hate each other. The Chester interview appeared to confirm it. When this has happened in times past young players, untainted by personal animosity have helped restore a bit of team spirit. It really took hold in the dressing room when Sherwood used his favoured players to unsettle the francophones and shore up his own not-my-fault-guv position as Mr Shortlistofone.
And who do we see warming up for the Derby game? Well I never. Mr Agbonlahor and Mr Richards. Just the chaps we need to unite the dressing room.
Very interesting comments from Chester. The obvious question is what the hell are Bruce and his management team doing to create a team atmosphere?
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Also worth noting how sad they were to announce Lansbury as having scored the second. I've never heard anybody be quite so petty.
Traditional camera phone welcome coming out the ground. It's a bit like being a famous person where the polyester clad hordes pogo, offering you out out while backing the opposite way, filming it naturally.
The police used horses to push the Villa away, so thankfully no animals were punched.
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Also worth noting how sad they were to announce Lansbury as having scored the second. I've never heard anybody be quite so petty.
Traditional camera phone welcome coming out the ground. It's a bit like being a famous person where the polyester clad hordes pogo, offering you out out while backing the opposite way, filming it naturally.
The police used horses to push the Villa away, so thankfully no animals were punched.
They bear a grudge up there don't they?
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Also worth noting how sad they were to announce Lansbury as having scored the second. I've never heard anybody be quite so petty.
Traditional camera phone welcome coming out the ground. It's a bit like being a famous person where the polyester clad hordes pogo, offering you out out while backing the opposite way, filming it naturally.
The police used horses to push the Villa away, so thankfully no animals were punched.
They bear a grudge up there don't they?
They're so sad it's beyond parody.
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In the Championship, team spirit / fight / togetherness is as important as ability. Having one without the other will get you nowhere. What we've seen all season is Villa being outfought by "lesser" teams from "smaller" clubs who simply want it more.
Look at how they all ignored a clearly badly injured Hogan - shameful.
Look at how our players casually trot over to an opposition wide player to "close him down" rather than bust a gut to prevent the cross. Hourihan did this last night and it led to the first goal. Taylor did it twice last night and others have been doing it all season.
It's painful to watch how mentally weak we are.
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We closed and pressed very well for 40 minutes. We didn't create a great deal, but then for organisation, Newcastle are obviously a cut above most.
It seems to be a confidence issue and there's downward momentum of "here we go again". The three games coming up pit us against sides on poor runs and low on confidence. 7-9 points would have to be the minimum.
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What did Chester say?
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basically that he was surrounded by precious tossers who took constructive criticism personally and went into hissy fits
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And squeamed and squeamed until they made themthelves thick. Excluding Richards who was thick to begin with.
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Could someone direct me to the James Chester interview, mentioned above.
Thanks
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Could someone direct me to the James Chester interview, mentioned above.
Thanks
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-skipper-james-chester-9854822
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Fucking rubbish and I mean rubbish. More comical defending, swiping at the wipe having it fly around at right angles in the penalty area, there is no desire to keep a clean sheet, we are second to every ball in the penalty area , very lacsidasical, second half was utter shit, again, 8 defeats in 9, this can't continue now, exceedingly poor stuff from a shell shocked manager in Bruce. Now Hogan is fucked expect that fat twat Agbonlahor returning asap. Bruce has lost the plot, Lansbury pushed to the right side, shit. Bruce can fuck off now, huge headed clown.
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He has to go, before it's too late.
How late is too late?
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Are we not reacting more to the Hogan incident due to the frustrations of what we are seeing on the pitch. The bench would have known straight away how serious it was once the trainer and doctor got on the pitch. The incident occurred at a corner and once the keeper took the ball, all of our players dropped back to defend. When they were assessing the injury and putting Hogan on the stretcher, he was in massive discomfort and having players would not have helped him in any way.
Having said the above, Chester, as captain, should have gone across as they were carrying Hogan off.
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Are we not reacting more to the Hogan incident due to the frustrations of what we are seeing on the pitch. The bench would have known straight away how serious it was once the trainer and doctor got on the pitch. The incident occurred at a corner and once the keeper took the ball, all of our players dropped back to defend. When they were assessing the injury and putting Hogan on the stretcher, he was in massive discomfort and having players would not have helped him in any way.
Having said the above, Chester, as captain, should have gone across as they were carrying Hogan off.
Basic human concern for a team mate I would have thought. He was clearly in distress and to a man, they carried on running off. Their goalkeeper kicked it out straight away.
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No, we are reacting as every team when one of their own suffers a bad injury seem to rally round him whilst we swan around not giving a fuck because yet again, somehow, we have signed a bunch of fannys who take no responsibility for anything and don't give a fuck.
We are way too soft of them, we accept any old shit because that's all we've seen for so long, any old shit, the standards at this club are appalling. We make excuses for every fuck up they do, well enough is enough, they've done it at other clubs, we are making them rich at not even getting the basics in return from them.
Fuck them, useless ******, we need a few harsh home truths being told in this dressing room, no pussy footing around because the effort, second to every fucking ball in and around the box is abysmal.
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We did play reasonably well for 40 mins against a side who by all accounts were having an "off night". When you think that Newcastle then coasted to a regulation 2-0 home victory, it makes it even worse. I don't know what the best position is for Thor but I'm pretty sure it ain't playing wide right in front of Alan Hutton as he did first half. Maybe the idea was to protect the defence across the pitch. Like everyone else I am at a loss to work out how we are getting it so wrong. As someone said earlier we have replaced a slow, ponderous and one paced midfield with another one. Most teams in our league have a midfielder who buzzes around the pitch linking up the play. Woods at Brentford and Colback from last night spring to mind.
On a slightly ridiculous note, I read this morning that we have now spent about 80 million under Dr T. I couldn't help but amuse myself with the thought that this amount of money could perhaps buy some well placed Championship teams lock, stock and barrel. We could then play their first team in place of ours and sit comfortable mid-table. I know it's not allowed and it's me just rambling but that's how mad it is at the moment. Instead we have cherry picked the Championship to arrive at just about the most disjointed "team" imagineable. No apparent leaders, no partnerships on the pitch and a seeming lack of bottle.
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I get the feeling that to a man the Villa player's all hate each other. The Chester interview appeared to confirm it. When this has happened in times past young players, untainted by personal animosity have helped restore a bit of team spirit. It really took hold in the dressing room when Sherwood used his favoured players to unsettle the francophones and shore up his own not-my-fault-guv position as Mr Shortlistofone.
And who do we see warming up for the Derby game? Well I never. Mr Agbonlahor and Mr Richards. Just the chaps we need to unite the dressing room.
Very interesting comments from Chester. The obvious question is what the hell are Bruce and his management team doing to create a team atmosphere?
To be fair, Chester was talking in the past tense when he referred to the the toxicity within the dressing room: i.e. “... I think that will change now with the group we’ve got here. We’ve got a lot of honest people.”
I can't say it fills me with confidence about the current situation, mind.
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I agree, let's buy Sheffield Wednesday. I'm sick to the back teeth of these pricks. 6 years of almost unrelenting tripe. It's getting to the level now where we will affect our support long term, who as a kid can you imagine will want to support this losing rabble. We are boring, we are gutless, we lack effort and will to win and desire and we make every excuse under the sun for them.
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Of all of the things that frustrated me last night, the most was Bruce not reacting as soon as the second goal when in. It was startlingly obvious that we weren't going to score 2 goals with the players and personnel that we had on the pitch, so why on earth leave it another 10 minutes before making a change?
And, how on earth is Bjarnason ahead of Adomah, Grealish, Green and Bacuna in the pecking-order? This situation is 100% of Bruce's doing. Any less than 4 points in the next 2 games, and he should go, IMO.
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I get the feeling that to a man the Villa player's all hate each other. The Chester interview appeared to confirm it.
Brian, did you think that before Chester's interview or did Chester's words happen to bring it to your attention? I don't think they hate each other to a man at all, well I don't get that impression anyway. If anything, to me it just looks like a fragile disjointed team who have not played together for very long who are also lacking confidence.
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fully expecting Bruce to be gone within a week. disgraceful, unpardonable, unacceptable - all that's left to Villa fans is to re arrange negatives into slightly different sentences with the same meaning.Shite.
..to be replaced by whom?
Roger De Courcey and nookey bear
Gollocks
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Now feeling like i can give a balanced view having had some of the doom subsided. We were quite good first half, despite what some say, we couldnt be much more adventurous than that as they would have got in behind us. Saying that, we do need to get midfielders in the opposition box. its an easy, simple thing to do and was the sole reason for Sherwoods initial positive impact.Too often we gt the ball out wide and had Hogan vs 4-5 men in the box.
My other thought (im not one for scapegoats) but Elphick lost an aerial battle for the first goal and lost his man for the second goal. I think he has been personally responsible for 3-4 goals during this bad run, im sorry but he is not good enough - nowhere near
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Elphick is appalling, possibly our first, true, 3rd Division player, for a long time. The fact potato thinks he should be in the side makes me question his judgement, as well as the Gabby and Richards garbage he comes out with.
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I get the feeling that to a man the Villa player's all hate each other. The Chester interview appeared to confirm it.
Brian, did you think that before Chester's interview or did Chester's words happen to bring it to your attention? I don't think they hate each other to a man at all, well I don't get that impression anyway. If anything, to me it just looks like a fragile disjointed team who have not played together for very long who are also lacking confidence.
Maybe the majority of our signings have been "star" men at their previous clubs and are not happy now that they are just "one of the boys" ie thought about on a same level as everyone else.
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That stuff Chester says bothers me a great deal. Not necessarily because it shows us as having a toxic dressing room, but because I can't believe at this stage in their careers we have a room full of players who can't stomach the concept of constructive criticism. It's not like most of them have been at this club for their entire careers and so have grown up with this uncritical mentality - they've all come from different dressing rooms with different ways of approaching lean spells yet he's alluding to a scene where nothing is ever discussed for fear of creating a toxic dressing room. Fucking hell, get a half-decent psychologist in if that's the problem!
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Could someone direct me to the James Chester interview, mentioned above.
Thanks
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-skipper-james-chester-9854822
"we haven't had any team meetings as such" - WTF!!!
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More of the same (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/10776012/newcastle-2-0-aston-villa)
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It was a combination of Chester's interview, in which he conveyed an explosive dressing room atmosphere expressed in under stated language. Plus the Hogan incident because I thought if Chester takes team spirit seriously, as captain he should have shown solidarity with Hogan and finally what I see at games with players reluctant to encourage each other. I think hating each other is too strong a description, but they clearly do not get on.
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It was a combination of Chester's interview, in which he conveyed an explosive dressing room atmosphere expressed in under stated language. Plus the Hogan incident because I thought if Chester takes team spirit seriously, as captain he should have shown solidarity with Hogan and finally what I see at games with players reluctant to encourage each other. I think hating each other is too strong a description, but they clearly do not get on.
is there a danger we are reading into things too much at the moment?
Hogan is barely at the club a wet week, its a stretch that he could have fallen out with all players bar Hutton already
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The only positive from last night was that it had no affect on my mood. In the past i'd be in a foul mood (rather like my son, during and after the game) and would have to ignore my phone and social media to avoid piss taking Geordie mates, over recent seasons i've barely allowed any result to affect me either way.
My son asked who my favourite Villa player was last night, took me ages to think of one and even then it was by default because I couldn't think of him doing anything too wrong. So James Chester got my vote, although Hutton was close because although he's rubbish and has been for years, at least he looks like he gives a fuck.
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You are right of course Bronte but when Kodjia shot wide from an angle instead of giving Hogan the tap in against Ipswich the look Scott gave him was not "hard luck mate".
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The only positive from last night was that it had no affect on my mood. In the past i'd be in a foul mood (rather like my son, during and after the game) and would have to ignore my phone and social media to avoid piss taking Geordie mates, over recent seasons i've barely allowed any result to affect me either way.
My son asked who my favourite Villa player was last night, took me ages to think of one and even then it was by default because I couldn't think of him doing anything too wrong. So James Chester got my vote, although Hutton was close because although he's rubbish and has been for years, at least he looks like he gives a fuck.
I think Chester has looked crap in the last few games too
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The only positive from last night was that it had no affect on my mood. In the past i'd be in a foul mood (rather like my son, during and after the game) and would have to ignore my phone and social media to avoid piss taking Geordie mates, over recent seasons i've barely allowed any result to affect me either way.
My son asked who my favourite Villa player was last night, took me ages to think of one and even then it was by default because I couldn't think of him doing anything too wrong. So James Chester got my vote, although Hutton was close because although he's rubbish and has been for years, at least he looks like he gives a fuck.
I think Chester has looked crap in the last few games too
Agreed. I had Chester as a nailed on Player Of The Season but the last few games has been poor. I suppose everyone else has been so bad he's still ahead for me anyway!
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Kodjia for me, despite his faults. Without his goals thus far we'd be right down amongst the dead men.
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Kodjia for me, despite his faults. Without his goals thus far we'd be right down amongst the dead men.
I know it sounds daft as he's our leading goalscorer but his inability to pass and him continually slowing down our already painfully slow attacks really, really bugs me.
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Kodjia for me, despite his faults. Without his goals thus far we'd be right down amongst the dead men.
I know it sounds daft as he's our leading goalscorer but his inability to pass and him continually slowing down our already painfully slow attacks really, really bugs me.
His inability to get himself in the box when the ball is coming in from the other wing did my head in last night. There were times Hogan was alone in the Newcastle penalty area surrounded by six defenders plus the keeper yet Kodja stuck to the left wing like his life depended on it. And you wonder why we don't score.
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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the final post match annoyance (to put it mildly) of last night. The A1M was closed and the diversion signs were confusing to say the least . I was on coach 2 which went through narrow country lanes devoid of all human life only to come out where we started. The sat nav signals kept fading and we only got back on track thanks to an enterprising passenger who sat by the driver reading the map. It took so long that the driver was in danger of exceeding his tacho hours and we had to stop at Woodall services for 45 minutes. It was 03:50 when we reached Villa Park but we were the 'lucky' ones; the remaining coaches got back at 6. Some of the fans only had time to eat and shower before setting off to work.
It reminds you of the old slogan "is your journey really necessary?"
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The closing of trunk roads at night is a national scandal. Somebody somewhere has decided that journeys between 8pm and 6am are of no importance. It is a nightmare for people like my son who work late then are delayed interminably by road closures.
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Thing I don't get with boofer spoofer Bruce is if he is so content to boot the ball long and sees that as a legitimate and potent mode of attack in 2017 -why not sink the Hogan money on a targetman?
A cursory glance at any Hogan goals in the last 6 months would suggest that he is a player who needs to get on the end of things; usually well-worked team moves (fat chance here).
I'm not and have never been a fan of the Bruce style of football, but if he wants to persist with it in this era, and least sign the players who fit that limited straightjacket.
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I've got my new phrase : we haven't gelled yet.
Saves me typing sandpaper, eyes, forever.
I will use this a lot.
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Thing I don't get with boofer spoofer Bruce is if he is so content to boot the ball long and sees that as a legitimate and potent mode of attack in 2017 -why not sink the Hogan money on a targetman?
A cursory glance at any Hogan goals in the last 6 months would suggest that he is a player who needs to get on the end of things; usually well-worked team moves (fat chance here).
I'm not and have never been a fan of the Bruce style of football, but if he wants to persist with it in this era, and least sign the players who fit that limited straightjacket.
Exactly that, it makes no sense and looks like Hogan was brought with little research beforehand on the back of his goal record. Hogan will be a real asset for us if we utilise him right, that will never be under Bruce though.
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I'll share this here because it's as good as anywhere to do it. At about 85 minutes last night, the bloke two rows down from me stood up, as did his Villa scarf wearing son who was about 12, and they left. No big deal, apart from the fact that Dad practically carried his son down about 30 steps as he was clearly unable to do it on his own. All of a sudden, a sense of perspective. This isn't meant to dilute our frustration but it helps at times.
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The result was another kick in the sense that it continues our terrible run of form, but I think we all sort of knew this game might be a loss.
That said I thought we were far better than we have shown recently, especially in the first half and for pockets of the second. We are our own worst enemies and gifted them two goals. In open play they didn't really do us too much damage.
If we can just glean some confidence from somewhere I'm sure things will turn around. We need an audacious effort to actually go in or something of that nature.
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Definitely ligaments for Hogan. He went right over on it. At least 3 months I would think so that would be it for this season.
Considering it was from our corner and he was clearly in distress, it really was appalling that no-one went to him. Just a group of players thrown together with no identity and no togetherness. We are in serious trouble.
It's a very interesting point about no one seeing if Hogan was okay until Hutton came over. Gary Thompson was raging about it on the radio. The team spirit appears non existent.
utterly depressing
Truly shocking. By far and away the worst part of the night for me.
Newcastle players called on the physio didn't they?
That's it. That's your team spirit right there. And f there's no team spirit its over.
I said exactly the same thing when watching it, I think Hutton only came over to get a drink.
Either they don't like Hogan or these guys just don't give a shit.
This comment about Hutton was so bad, I just re-watched it. He did NOT only go for a drink. He DID actually go over to see how Hogan was, genuinely.
But nobody else did and the bench looked quite non-plussed and defeatist by it all. Sad really. Really sad.
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Of all the criticism of players I think that of Hutton is the most unfair, he's not great sure, or even good but he's my idea of a Villa player. He puts in the required amount of effort and makes the most of his limited talent.
Reading that back I'm aware that's the faintest damning with praise but I'm sticking with it. I'd pick him every game over most of the other feckless twats.
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Sorry if I got the Hutton accusation wrong.
Not a fan but agree at least he was not hiding.
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We're fucked, aren't we?
Probably.
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Of all the criticism of players I think that of Hutton is the most unfair, he's not great sure, or even good but he's my idea of a Villa player. He puts in the required amount of effort and makes the most of his limited talent.
Reading that back I'm aware that's the faintest damning with praise but I'm sticking with it. I'd pick him every game over most of the other feckless twats.
Short memories. He was regularly strolling back and forth in defence last year and not marking players, particularly in that 10 game losing streak. Part of the problem we are where we are now
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Could someone direct me to the James Chester interview, mentioned above.
Thanks
I do struggle with anything that comes from the rag that is the Mirror, aren't they part of the same stable that owns
The Meaning Evil ? When you read the piece fully ( well the already edited one ) Chester states that he believes we have the right people here at the club now ..... that seems lost by the time you read all the historical what went on guff , but hey people don't want to hear positive stuff do they ?
I agree with most of what has been said on this thread, as someone who was there I thought we actually looked like a team for 40 minutes, with us actually running and passing to players in the same shirt and even tackling and closing down . We did have three decent attempts before the now expected oops moment happened, and yes like most I hoped we would really show some fight afterwards but I knew in my heart that was more hope than expectation.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-skipper-james-chester-9854822
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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the final post match annoyance (to put it mildly) of last night. The A1M was closed and the diversion signs were confusing to say the least . I was on coach 2 which went through narrow country lanes devoid of all human life only to come out where we started. The sat nav signals kept fading and we only got back on track thanks to an enterprising passenger who sat by the driver reading the map. It took so long that the driver was in danger of exceeding his tacho hours and we had to stop at Woodall services for 45 minutes. It was 03:50 when we reached Villa Park but we were the 'lucky' ones; the remaining coaches got back at 6. Some of the fans only had time to eat and shower before setting off to work.
It reminds you of the old slogan "is your journey really necessary?"
The diversion signs I followed took us towards Middlesbrough and onto the A19, which then rejoined the A1 south of the closure. Fast roads all the way and hardly added any time to the journey really.
When I first saw signs about the closure I thought if I see one of the coaches I'll follow them as they'll know what they're doing - thankfully I didn't!
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This match sounds like a real low point of the season for lots of reasons.
Hopefully when the good times come back it will be one of those 'remember Newcastle away on the Monday night?' Moments. Everyone who went has my highest respect.
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This match sounds like a real low point of the season for lots of reasons.
Hopefully when the good times come back it will be one of those 'remember Newcastle away on the Monday night?' Moments. Everyone who went has my highest respect.
Nah, Newcastle are top and will go up. The low point for me was Barnsley last week. That was embarrassing.
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I love The Villa, always will.
But I really couldn't give a shit about any of the tossers in recent years who have played for us, managed us, or anybody else who has had any direct input into our sorrowful and pathetic demise.
They have successfully alienated me and I now get absolutely zero pleasure from following us.
But these chancers and greedy underperforming fuckers who have tried to destroy my spirit can never take away my memories of days gone by.
This sums up exactly how I feel and have felt for some time.
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Amazes me how much Hutton polarises opinion. I will say this though; Despite the BM running a story saying he needs replacing, despite being pillared for lack of talent, despite him being a scapegoat by the fifa generation of fans...there has been a case made in at least half a dozen games for him being our best player on the day. Think about the multi million pound players and the fan favourite youngsters who have come through the ranks that you definately cant say that about - Gestede, McCormack, Agbonlahor, Amavi, Grealish, Elphick, Bacuna, Golini, Gardner, Tshibola, Westwood, Ayew etc.
As far as i can see, the only players nearing any type of consistency at an acceptable level have been Hutton, Chester, Baker, Jedinak and Kodjia
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well we've got half a good side then.
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If 3 of the back 5 have been solid and acceptable this season then we'd have more than 5/6 clean sheets in 30+ games. They haven't, so we haven't.