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Title: How to Fix This
Post by: remy on February 15, 2017, 02:57:25 PM
How to fix this

1) Make Lansbury Captain
2) Drop Kodija and Johnstone to the bench next game
3) Play 4-4-1-1
Thats Jack behind Hogan, Amavi on the  left and Adomah on the right. Hourihane and Lansbury in the middle.

Back 4 of Cafu, (Bree is out injured), Chester, Baker and Taylor

Dont sack Bruce....yet.

Let him keep trying until the end of the season.

If Calederwood and Clemence ARE the prob then they will have been carefully "taken off" duties with Bruce doing their roles hands on by Monday's game.

I would tell the players (if the pressure of the expectation is too much) then to start enjoying themselves on the field. No pressure just enjoy playing as a team, no hassle from fans, just go onto the field and express themselves.

Playoffs are gone now so we might aswell bed this team in for the remaining games ready for a push next season - with no expectation, well other than try and string 2 passes together, cross into the box and generally look for runs by a team-mate.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: LeeB on February 15, 2017, 03:21:52 PM
Your solution to fixing things is to drop the one signing that's actually delivered what he was bought for?
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 15, 2017, 03:23:07 PM
We've only scored two goals in the last four games, and you want to drop the bloke that scored them?
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: spangley1812 on February 15, 2017, 03:29:11 PM
Grealish............really
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: CT Villan on February 15, 2017, 03:38:36 PM
Lansbury and Hourihane need to be further up the field, so we need a DM in behind them.

4-3-3

Hutton   Chessy   Baker   Taylor
               Jedinak/other
        Lansbury    Hourihane
    Adomah     Hogan     Kodjia
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: richtheholtender on February 15, 2017, 03:39:28 PM
Drop the only goal threat we have? I don't blame for going alone when he either has nobody of any class next to him or nobody at all.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 15, 2017, 03:47:28 PM
Drop the only goal threat we have? I don't blame for going alone when he either has nobody of any class next to him or nobody at all.
What level of " class " do you want next to him ? For goodness sake, we just spent another billion on " 2nd Division Top Class Midfielders  " and a Striker destined for West Ham.
I honestly believe he is on a Kodjia-move-on mission and will ignore his team mates - no passes given.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: AV82EC on February 15, 2017, 03:53:48 PM
I think Kodjia needs to calm down and realise he can't do it all on his own. He's in danger of wanting to succeed for us so much he's over thinking it and if this makes sense trying too hard hence poor decision making on shots or passing. I love him but he needs to think a bit more.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on February 15, 2017, 04:45:38 PM
How to fix this

1) Make Lansbury Captain
2) Drop Kodija and Johnstone to the bench next game
3) Play 4-4-1-1
Thats Jack behind Hogan, Amavi on the  left and Adomah on the right. Hourihane and Lansbury in the middle.

Back 4 of Cafu, (Bree is out injured), Chester, Baker and Taylor

Dont sack Bruce....yet.

Let him keep trying until the end of the season.

If Calederwood and Clemence ARE the prob then they will have been carefully "taken off" duties with Bruce doing their roles hands on by Monday's game.

I would tell the players (if the pressure of the expectation is too much) then to start enjoying themselves on the field. No pressure just enjoy playing as a team, no hassle from fans, just go onto the field and express themselves.

Playoffs are gone now so we might aswell bed this team in for the remaining games ready for a push next season - with no expectation, well other than try and string 2 passes together, cross into the box and generally look for runs by a team-mate.


I don't even know where to begin with this ...

You'd start Jack and Amavi and drop Kodjia ...

WOW
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on February 15, 2017, 04:55:48 PM


HOW TO FIX THIS

1. Free the ground from all the instant moaners. The ones that always threaten 'i'm not going again' but sadly always do. It's not helping at the moment so have a day off
2. Bruce has got to completely IGNORE the press/fans/anyone else and just go with WHAT HE BELIEVES and stick with it. Not for one game, for a sustained period whatever the flak he may get. HE'S THE MANAGER
3. Put Alan Hutton out to graze
4. Maybe do some extra training split into groups, Bruce taking the defenders, and someone equally experienced taking the midfielders and forwards aside to work on their roles respectively
5. Get the prayer mats out


Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: JB1811 on February 15, 2017, 05:03:30 PM
1. Find a goalkeeper who can actually use his hands, and hold on to a shot
2. Realize that Nathan Baker is NOT a ball playing Center half
3. Alan Hutton is NOT the cause of all of our problems
4. Jedinak or similar as a defensive Midfielder.
5. Get Albert, Amavi, Hutton and Green to practice crossing.
6. Teach JK and Hogan to play as a partnership
7. Drop Jack 'Big Bollocks' Grielish.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 15, 2017, 05:10:55 PM
1. Find a goalkeeper who can actually use his hands, and hold on to a shot
2. Realize that Nathan Baker is NOT a ball playing Center half
3. Alan Hutton is NOT the cause of all of our problems
4. Jedinak or similar as a defensive Midfielder.
5. Get Albert, Amavi, Hutton and Green to practice crossing.
6. Teach JK and Hogan to play as a partnership
7. Drop Jack 'Big Bollocks' Grealish.

Ah, you can't do that. Several thousand fans only come to watch his sublime, breathtaking talent paint pictures on the pitch.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: john e on February 15, 2017, 06:03:22 PM
get the right manager, that's it

everything else falls into place when you have got the right man in charge,
conversely nothing works very well when you haven't
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: Lobsterboy on February 15, 2017, 06:12:00 PM
There are no simple solutions unfortunately but you can start by dropping the error prone Johnstone and Amavi, get a holding midfielder in the team (Jedinak if fit and if not Gardner) and stick with 4-1-3-2 for the rest of the season.

Failure to do anything other than this will in all likelihood see SB binned off before the end of the season and us relegated - we are absolute gash at present 
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: aj2k77 on February 15, 2017, 06:24:54 PM
Kodjia is possibly the one shining light of another fucking crap season, yeah lets blame him for our scoring problems.

Oh and Super Jack, the saviour, playing behind the Striker, news flash, he's guff, completely one paced and goes hiding more than Anne Frank.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: DeKuip on February 15, 2017, 06:49:19 PM
Kodjia is possibly the one shining light of another fucking crap season, yeah lets blame him for our scoring problems.
There's no doubting his ability, or the quality of his goals, but we'd have scored a lot more if he had any awareness of his team-mates when he's on the ball.
I'd have fallen out with if he'd been in my team.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 15, 2017, 06:56:41 PM
It's possibly like the Darren Bent conundrum. He'll score plenty, but will it be to the detriment of the team as a whole. He's scored our only 2 goals in the last 4 games, with a player passing more would we have scored more than 2 goals?
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on February 15, 2017, 07:07:19 PM
I would do this

Bring in Sarkic for Goalkeeper and drop Johnstone. 


Play 4-1-3-2 formation passing game.

              Sarkic

Bree Chester     Baker Amavi
                  Jedinak
 Lansbury    Hourihane Grealish
                Hogan  Kodija

I will make sure Hogan and Kodija are room mate and make sure they are great friend and get them to look at video of Dean And Dalian and make sure them understanding it is better to hunt together.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: nigel on February 15, 2017, 07:20:00 PM
We seem to be really missing Jedinak in his DM role, so, going to get slated here, until Jedi is back I would have Gardner in the defence midfield role.
He played there really well, by all accounts, for Forest.
It's the one position that isn't covered by a like for like.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: Richard on February 15, 2017, 07:32:03 PM
No slating from me nigel - Gardner deserves another chance
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 15, 2017, 08:04:24 PM
I would do this

Bring in Sarkic for Goalkeeper and drop Johnstone. 


Play 4-1-3-2 formation passing game.

              Sarkic

Bree Chester     Baker Amavi
                  Jedinak
 Lansbury    Hourihane Grealish
                Hogan  Kodija

I will make sure Hogan and Kodija are room mate and make sure they are great friend and get them to look at video of Dean And Dalian and make sure them understanding it is better to hunt together.
Sarkic is only 18 ! And totally in-tried and you want him to face Newcastle ?
It's going to be a dour defensive team he puts out, I bet. So no place for Grealish, in my team and I would only go with Hogan up front and Kodjia to bring on when he will naturally get the better of Ciaran Clark late on.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: ktvillan on February 15, 2017, 08:16:42 PM
Kodjia is possibly the one shining light of another fucking crap season, yeah lets blame him for our scoring problems.
There's no doubting his ability, or the quality of his goals, but we'd have scored a lot more if he had any awareness of his team-mates when he's on the ball.
I'd have fallen out with if he'd been in my team.

Yep. a lot like Ayew except he puts the ball in the net rather than hitting the woodwork.  But he just isn't a team player at the moment, and we need to play as a team.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 15, 2017, 08:20:23 PM
Yes. But is it a language barrier ?  a coaching barrier ?  or is he just plumb determined to get himself a move in the Summer to even bigger bucks ? My money's on the latter and no-one else is going to be the beneficiary.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: mr underhill on February 15, 2017, 08:38:09 PM
absolutely he was beyond awful last night. As for Kodjia, he'll be picked up by a PL side if he gets anything like the haul he did last year. 30-40 goals in 2 seasons for two struggling Champinship sides says you're worth a punt in the big league.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: cdward on February 15, 2017, 08:39:49 PM
Bring back the round badge.
Piss on the four corner flags.
Play TBAR over the tannoy.
Get Peter Withe to throw sweat bands at fans.
Hand out "Bright Future" flags.
Have a new mosaic, everyone loves a mosaic.
Make a banner
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 15, 2017, 08:42:52 PM
....and give all the fans things to whistle and blow so they can't manage to get a "boo " out.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: Ads on February 15, 2017, 08:44:03 PM
We need to identify a system that suits and persevere through the final quarter of the season with it.

For me it's 4141.

Jedinak or Gardner need to sit and do the dirty work in that compressed space between the midfield and defence. It may stop us dropping too deep or equally getting caught ragged.

Hourihane and Lansbury would be the central two. Kodjia I'd have drifting wide. The midfield and Kodjia would need to get close to Hogan and I don't think that's possibly in a flat 2 centrally.

Adomah or Green wide for direct pace.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: four fornicholl on February 15, 2017, 08:44:21 PM
Bring back the round badge.
Piss on the four corner flags.
Play TBAR over the tannoy.
Get Peter Withe to throw sweat bands at fans.
Hand out "Bright Future" flags.
Have a new mosaic, everyone loves a mosaic.
Make a banner
Joking aside, thats exactly  the type of thing we should be doing.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: LukeJames on February 15, 2017, 08:45:55 PM
Absolutely no fucking chance will Kodjia be picked up by a premier league team, theres a reason why he's 27 and at the arse end of the championship, McCormack banged in 30/40 goals for lower championship sides aswell but no top division club would touch him.  Kodjia is all about Kodjia first and foremost, we'd be more of a team without him for sure but having said that he's the only fucker who gets us out of our seats at the minute.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 15, 2017, 08:46:49 PM
Maybe they should show a MON era match on the big screens during the game so no-one notices what's going on on the pitch and the guys won't get al tense and ooh-ahh.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: ironmaidenmania on February 15, 2017, 09:07:23 PM
Kodjia has to start as he's the only goal scroing threat we have. Hogan makes excellent runs so the midfield have got to start seeing them and play the ball on the ground. Amavi has been shocking and needs to be dropped, Grealish has been worse and needs to be sent back to the U23s. Jedi needs to sit behind the midfield duo of Hourihane & Lansbury. Jedi take the ball from the centre backs and that stops Baker hoofing the ball back the opposition. I really thought the back 3 might work with variable wingbacks. Adomah & Green at home to attack more. Hutton and Taylor away from home to bolster the defence. Hutton was arguably our man of the match against Barnsley along with Lansbury and yet both were subbed! Kodjia and Hogan need to be introduced to each other, it's obvious that hasn't happened.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: adrenachrome on February 15, 2017, 10:00:22 PM
1. Find a goalkeeper who can actually use his hands, and hold on to a shot
2. Realize that Nathan Baker is NOT a ball playing Center half
3. Alan Hutton is NOT the cause of all of our problems
4. Jedinak or similar as a defensive Midfielder.
5. Get Albert, Amavi, Hutton and Green to practice crossing.
6. Teach JK and Hogan to play as a partnership
7. Drop Jack 'Big Bollocks' Grielish.

Seems reasonable on the face of it.

Incidentally, there was a very loud cheer when Jack was substituted last night but that may just have been because SB was actually changing something.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: brontebilly on February 15, 2017, 11:04:38 PM
It's possibly like the Darren Bent conundrum. He'll score plenty, but will it be to the detriment of the team as a whole. He's scored our only 2 goals in the last 4 games, with a player passing more would we have scored more than 2 goals?

Bent is banging them in again under McClaren I see. Robinson doing well at Preston. I know there were valid reasons for both leaving but we didn't get a penny for the pair of them.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: tomd2103 on February 15, 2017, 11:48:07 PM
Lansbury and Hourihane need to be further up the field, so we need a DM in behind them.

4-3-3

Hutton   Chessy   Baker   Taylor
               Jedinak/other
        Lansbury    Hourihane
    Adomah     Hogan     Kodjia

After seeing the debacle first hand, I would agree with this.  Lansbury could do with playing further forward and Jedinak would provide a bit of stability.  I think given time, Bjarnason could fit into that formation as well when he has found his feet. 

My one concern is that Hogan isn't really the kind of striker who is going to be the much needed focal point in that formation.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 16, 2017, 08:36:01 AM
The short answer is we pick the same formation, whatever that might be, between now and the end of the season. And some consistency of team selection would help plenty as well.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: Jockey Randall on February 16, 2017, 09:13:35 AM
Sorting out our issues with offensive set pieces would be a good start. We've scored 3 all season and everyone else in the league has at least 8. Hourihane should have gone some way to fixing the issue with his delivery but I suppose he can only do so much when we lack any real threat in the box? The centre halves rarely look like they have a goal in them and no one jumps out in the forward line as being great in the air either. Arguably this would have been a good time to have Gestede still around.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on February 16, 2017, 09:55:40 AM
it has all gone wrong since Elaine the receptionist walked out on the club

BRING BACK ELAINE!!!!
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 16, 2017, 10:47:51 AM
it has all gone wrong since Elaine the receptionist walked out on the club

BRING BACK ELAINE!!!!

Hello Franksy.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: Proposition Joe on February 16, 2017, 11:15:36 AM
Just nuke VP from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: LukeJames on February 16, 2017, 11:18:33 AM
That sounds like the only plausable solution, you'll take st Andrews and the Hawthorns out too so its not all bad.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 16, 2017, 11:27:12 AM
If Bruce if to stay, which I assume he is, then he needs to do a few thing. Some of which are probably already mentioned, but this is just my thoughts.
Get a way of playing - everything I've seen so far, is just rigid and very unimaginative, especially at a time where we have the ability to do a lot better.
Play a formation where the players fit in, round pegs/round holes.
Get in a solid, commanding and experienced GK.
Get rid of the real deadwood - Hutton, Richards, Agbonlahor, Bunn... and other players who he doesn't fancy - Elphick, Tshibola, McCormack etc...
Then get players in to suit a modern and effective way of playing. We can't just have Nathan Baker lumping aimless balls forward from the back.
Get more leaders in the dressing room - apparently we've got a few captains on the pitch: Hourihane, Lansbury & Chester - however, I'm not seing any real leadership qualities from them at the moment. We need players that are strong mentally, like when we had Dublin, Southgate, Ehiogu, Merson - obviously, we can't get players in of their quality, but surely there's leaders with some experience that we can attract - like Jedinak.

Maybe this start XI for half a dozen games may work

Johnstone

Bree
Chester
Baker
Taylor

Jedinak
Hourihane
Lansbury

Adomah
Hogan
Kodjia

in a 4-3-3 sort of sytem... Kodjia cutting in from the left seemed to work ok earlier in Bruce's reign.... Hogan can be the forward.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 16, 2017, 11:28:38 AM
1. Find a goalkeeper who can actually use his hands, and hold on to a shot
2. Realize that Nathan Baker is NOT a ball playing Center half
3. Alan Hutton is NOT the cause of all of our problems
4. Jedinak or similar as a defensive Midfielder.
5. Get Albert, Amavi, Hutton and Green to practice crossing.
6. Teach JK and Hogan to play as a partnership
7. Drop Jack 'Big Bollocks' Grielish.

THIS.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: Monty on February 16, 2017, 02:16:57 PM
If we're going to play two strikers we can't play Adomah and have to play Jack - but if you want to play Adomah and drop Jack, you have to also either drop one of Kodjia and Hogan or play one of them out of position. Unless you want to play 3-5-2. Or try Adomah in the number 10 position in a diamond 4-4-2.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on February 16, 2017, 02:47:19 PM
If we're going to play two strikers we can't play Adomah and have to play Jack - but if you want to play Adomah and drop Jack, you have to also either drop one of Kodjia and Hogan or play one of them out of position. Unless you want to play 3-5-2. Or try Adomah in the number 10 position in a diamond 4-4-2.

why cant you play two strikers and Adomah?
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: Monty on February 16, 2017, 02:49:10 PM
If we're going to play two strikers we can't play Adomah and have to play Jack - but if you want to play Adomah and drop Jack, you have to also either drop one of Kodjia and Hogan or play one of them out of position. Unless you want to play 3-5-2. Or try Adomah in the number 10 position in a diamond 4-4-2.

why cant you play two strikers and Adomah?

Because the flat 4-4-2 would be rubbish, the 3-5-2 has already been rubbish, the 4-4-2 diamond wouldn't suit Adomah, and the 4-3-3 means one striker either on the bench or out of position.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: auntiesledd on February 16, 2017, 04:26:47 PM
Just nuke VP from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

At last: somebody's come up with a grand idea! ;)

ps Don't have anybody employed by The Villa involved though - otherwise the missile will strike the moon.
Title: Re: How to Fix This
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 16, 2017, 08:57:36 PM
Ha ha ha..........this soooper reply made me cough up my coffee ! Funny.
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