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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on February 11, 2017, 04:54:28 PM
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I can't see us winning the league this season.
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*Sigh*
Decent first half. but 5 at the back at home to a shit side, defensive fullbacks and Elphick.
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Ipswich decided they could beat us, and did. So it seemed.
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what the feck does Bruce and clemence and Calderwood do all week.
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Happy birthday to me!
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I can't see us winning the league this season.
you are so negative
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Worm your way out of that one Bruce, you feckless twat.
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Happy birthday to me!
Are your birthdays always this Pinteresque?
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Tony Morley sounds as if he can't believe what he's been seeing
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I'm still backing the manager. Everyone wants to stuff us. We now need to officially look over our shoulders however. It could be fun in League 1. We're going to give someone a good thrashing soon.....
You have to laugh.
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For the first time I'm worried about us staying in this division. Steve Bruce don't know what he's doing
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Same old Villa. The club is an absolute mess, and all self inflicted as well.
Personally I'd stick with Bruce. Give him a pre-season with the squad and let him have a crack next season, only because of his track record.
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Happy birthday to me!
Are your birthdays always this Pinteresque?
My life is, sadly.
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For the first time I'm worried about us staying in this division. Steve Bruce don't know what he's doing
I said this last week after Forest and people laughed. If there's a way to lose, we will find it, guarenteed.
We have great attacking options which now produce nothing. We rally do need to look over our shoulders, we're only going one way.
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I never thought Bruce was up to much but I did think he was better than this.
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******.
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Same old Villa. The club team is an absolute mess, and all self inflicted as well.
Fixed.
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Happy birthday to me!
Are your birthdays always this Pinteresque?
My life is, sadly.
*Very long pause.*
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Never left a game early. The free kick on 90 did it for me.
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totally fed up of football :'(
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I doubt we'll catch Newcastle now.
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I'm looking forward to walking League One -
Biggest ground in the div
Most expensive squad ever in div
V Walsall in a competitive game
Dean Smith as manager
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Happy birthday to me!
Are your birthdays always this Pinteresque?
My life is, sadly.
*Very long pause.*
My pauses. My fucking pauses. They take a long fucking time.
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For the first time I'm worried about us staying in this division. Steve Bruce don't know what he's doing
Of course he doesn't, that has been blatantly obvious for weeks now but when you call it as it is you get accused of knee jerk reactions and not giving him time. Jesus imagine what type of clusterfuck he could create if given time. Aaaagh well atleast he talks a good game.
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Sometimes that is just the way it goes.
Elphick has been a rock for us all season, so never seen that one coming. ::)
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Turgid clueless dog shit
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Utterly fucking atrocious
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Turgid clueless dog shit
Great album.
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7 points above the relegation zone. Just incredible for a club as big as Aston Villa. It's beyond farcical what's happened to this club.
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Same old Villa. The club is an absolute mess, and all self inflicted as well.
Personally I'd stick with Bruce. Give him a pre-season with the squad and let him have a crack next season, only because of his track record.
Don't think Villa can risk keeping Bruce for pre season unless he's got the club at least near the play off places by the end of this season. A new manager will want a pre season to assess the players.
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This is Martin O'Neil's fault.
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Has Bruce lost the plot already? 3-5-2 is all well and good if you've got width. So he leaves Amavi, Green and Adomah out and plays two full backs and 3 centre backs....it's just plain weird.
Including the FA Cup game we are; LLLDLLLD. Scored 4 from last 8. 7 Points above relegation with one of the best squads in this league.
He hasn't a clue how to set us up with all these attacking players.
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Same old Villa. The club is an absolute mess, and all self inflicted as well.
Personally I'd stick with Bruce. Give him a pre-season with the squad and let him have a crack next season, only because of his track record.
Don't think Villa can risk keeping Bruce for pre season unless he's got the club at least near the play off places by the end of this season. A new manager will want a pre season to assess the players.
Then we start all over again with a new manager who'd want another overhaul, and would Xia bankroll another one of those? Na, I think we have to stick with Bruce.
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This is Martin O'Neil's fault.
Ha!
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Happy Birthday, Sexual Ealing.
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A fucking embarrassment of a club. Relegation fight to contend with now in our form. Over to you Steve
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Same old Villa. The club is an absolute mess, and all self inflicted as well.
Personally I'd stick with Bruce. Give him a pre-season with the squad and let him have a crack next season, only because of his track record.
Don't think Villa can risk keeping Bruce for pre season unless he's got the club at least near the play off places by the end of this season. A new manager will want a pre season to assess the players.
If we carry on like anything like we have been the last couple of months he should be gone long before we think about next season.
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Only listened to the game but it sounded like we again completely lost our way. So many players barely mentioned. I would like to see what people who went made of the likes of hourihane, bjarnsson and Hogan as they were barely mentioned on the radio.
All we seem to do now is kick and run. 3-5-2 for me isn't going to work at all as we are just trying to shoehorn players into positions. Its truly desperate with the team we have that we barely look like scoring.
We only have one aim left - staying in this league - so so depressing.
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Same old Villa. The club is an absolute mess, and all self inflicted as well.
Personally I'd stick with Bruce. Give him a pre-season with the squad and let him have a crack next season, only because of his track record.
Don't think Villa can risk keeping Bruce for pre season unless he's got the club at least near the play off places by the end of this season. A new manager will want a pre season to assess the players.
and to think we've bought like 6 captains..
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We go again
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I don't think I care anymore
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Happy Birthday, Sexual Ealing.
Thank you mate.
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Same old Villa. The club is an absolute mess, and all self inflicted as well.
Personally I'd stick with Bruce. Give him a pre-season with the squad and let him have a crack next season, only because of his track record.
Don't think Villa can risk keeping Bruce for pre season unless he's got the club at least near the play off places by the end of this season. A new manager will want a pre season to assess the players.
If we carry on like anything like we have been the last couple of months he should be gone long before we think about next season.
I just think its too early to be thinking of sacking the manager. The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).
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Me too
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Same old Villa. The club is an absolute mess, and all self inflicted as well.
Personally I'd stick with Bruce. Give him a pre-season with the squad and let him have a crack next season, only because of his track record.
Don't think Villa can risk keeping Bruce for pre season unless he's got the club at least near the play off places by the end of this season. A new manager will want a pre season to assess the players.
Then we start all over again with a new manager who'd want another overhaul, and would Xia bankroll another one of those? Na, I think we have to stick with Bruce.
Not many Championship managers get bankrolled though. Even in cost cutting mode -say £10-15 million spent in total this summer, that would still be more than the vast majority of the division.
A manager now cowed by the expectation but positively tries to embrace it should still get plenty out of this side.
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Same old Villa. The club is an absolute mess, and all self inflicted as well.
Personally I'd stick with Bruce. Give him a pre-season with the squad and let him have a crack next season, only because of his track record.
Don't think Villa can risk keeping Bruce for pre season unless he's got the club at least near the play off places by the end of this season. A new manager will want a pre season to assess the players.
Then we start all over again with a new manager who'd want another overhaul, and would Xia bankroll another one of those? Na, I think we have to stick with Bruce.
If we were just going to keep a manager because we prioritize stability over everything else, even though he keeps losing matches and doesn't have any idea of how to set up a team we might as well have stuck with Di Matteo.
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Same old Villa. The club is an absolute mess, and all self inflicted as well.
Personally I'd stick with Bruce. Give him a pre-season with the squad and let him have a crack next season, only because of his track record.
Don't think Villa can risk keeping Bruce for pre season unless he's got the club at least near the play off places by the end of this season. A new manager will want a pre season to assess the players.
Then we start all over again with a new manager who'd want another overhaul, and would Xia bankroll another one of those? Na, I think we have to stick with Bruce.
I understand we can't keep changing managers, but if Bruce has Villa just avoiding relegation this season with the money and opportunities he's had, how can you expect things to magically change next season?
They need to think outside the old so called safe pair of hands manager syndrome.
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Just on the train at Aston...
Hopefully that's the end of 352..
To play that you need wingbacks whom are capable of committing people, central defenders comfortable on the ball,and a midfield able to get beyond the front two...Guess what Stevie?
Mistakes... That's the main reason we are unable to challenge for a playoffs space..I predicted at HT that it would be decided by one of those..
Taylor never looked dynamic enough.. Hutton is Huttonesque..Turninsidenowheretogiesque sorry.. Johnstone unconvincing..Baker ended up with a lot of time in the ball because they wanted him to have it..
On the plus Hourniharne came it a lot in the second.. Lansbury was competitive and Hogan always worked the line..If only we were capable of threading the ball through..
Nightshift tonight..In at 1830.. It's ferkin freezing and we seem to be as far now from where we want to be as may 16th last year..
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Stunningly, we are getting worse. At least with RDM we played decent football and were pretty unlucky. This is just beyond belief.
I'd get him gone, it's not going to get that much better with him if he picks sides like that week in and week out. We've had that many managers one more won't hurt.
What's Rowett up to? :-)
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There's a difference though to a transitional period and being hit and miss and looking one of the worst sides in division 2 which we currently do. I see no indication that we're heading forwards and for me that's a big problem.
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Kodjia and Hogan had no real service. Poor set-up by Bruce
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Bruce and Villa don't go together. Something about it is destined for it not to work.
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The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).
Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.
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Well we're in a relegation battle now, no doubt. How did it ever come to this, eh?
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Said the other day we need to stick with him but he is very close to making it impossible. We absolutely have to get a result midweek as I think we will get crucified at Newcastle. By the time that is over there could be enough dissent to force the doctors hand. This formation is dog shit
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So fed up, you just don't start that team at home. Imagine if we didn't have the promotion expert as our manager. Just stop it Steve, just stop it
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The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).
Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.
I agree and there's nothing wrong with the players either....the reasons are narrowing...
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The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).
Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.
We were run like a pantomime for 6 years and the new chairman is trying to sort things out. It's gone take time, but yeah, the club is a mess whether you like it or not.
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It doesnt even hurt when we lose any more. I sense more pain to come until it gets better.
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Think Mr.Bruce must take some flack for that set up, performance and result.
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Come friendly bombs and land on Brum.
It isn't fit for football now.
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Lose on Tuesday and we're in a relegation battle. Embarrassing.
We don't score goals & we never win away. Not a recipe for success. We're in trouble.
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Said the other day we need to stick with him but he is very close to making it impossible. We absolutely have to get a result midweek as I think we will get crucified at Newcastle. By the time that is over there could be enough dissent to force the doctors hand. This formation is dog shit
It's the sort of thing you'd try out in pre-season, not half way through one. I'm a fan of 5 at the back but only if you play with 2 wingbacks.
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This carries on until early March and I don't see how anyone can make an argument for continuity for continuity's sake.
The issue is now that once a fair few of the support base come to the conclusion that the manager isn't up to it, even if he somehow pulls out a few results it feels more like buying time and merely delaying the inevitable. As opposed to positive forward progression. Once the seed is planted etc.
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The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).
Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.
We were run like a pantomime for 6 years and the new chairman is trying to sort things out. It's gone take time, but yeah, the club is a mess whether you like it or not.
Yes, I know you didn't like Lerner but what is the mess with the club right now other than the team?
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The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).
Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.
We were run like a pantomime for 6 years and the new chairman is trying to sort things out. It's gone take time, but yeah, the club is a mess whether you like it or not.
We've had too many managers who have been unable to manage at the club for things to be hunky dory and all down to them. As with Randy when he bowled up a lot of blind faith from supporters until the penny finally dropped.
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The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).
Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.
We were run like a pantomime for 6 years and the new chairman is trying to sort things out. It's gone take time, but yeah, the club is a mess whether you like it or not.
It's not the club really now, with the new owner. He just chose the wrong type of manager
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Give Bruce the summer, let him sort out the defence, goalkeeper etc. and we'll be fighting for promotion. Surely it's got to be time for patience and looking at the bigger picture? Hiring and firing, rebuild after rebuild, that's the kind of instability that destroys clubs.
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The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).
Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.
We were run like a pantomime for 6 years and the new chairman is trying to sort things out. It's gone take time, but yeah, the club is a mess whether you like it or not.
Yes, I know you didn't like Lerner but what is the mess with the club right now other than the team?
Erm, the mess he left the club in perhaps? Or do you think it's all been sorted now then?
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Give Bruce the summer, let him sort out the defence, goalkeeper etc. and we'll be fighting for promotion. Surely it's got to be time for patience and looking at the bigger picture? Hiring and firing, rebuild after rebuild, that's the kind of instability that destroys clubs.
Yeah I agree with this.
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We have a new owner, new board, new manager, new coaches, and nearly a completely new team. The last 5 years of shite has little, if anything, to do with how crap we currently are.
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We have a new owner, new board, new manager, new coaches, and nearly a completely new team. The last 5 years of shite has little, if anything, to do with how crap we currently are.
Horse shit. You don't turn around 6 years of sabotage overnight. The club is still a mess and it'll take time to turn it around.
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After the initial bounce Bruce's results are now as bad as RDM's, and getting worse, and the football is less attacking and less attractive. I'd agree we could do with a period of stability and some patience, but for that to happen you'd expect at the very least for the manager to demonstrate he can motivate and organise a bunch of relatively expensive players, and can identify which ones are a total liability/waste of space. Bruce isn't exactly inspiring loyalty in that respect. Huddersfield and Reading manage to unearth decent coaches, we seem to persistently attract duds and dinosaurs, or manage to turn them into that.
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I really want to do the sensible thing and back Bruce. But the football, and the bollock-kicking losses we seem to have made our new favourite habit, are making it very difficult not to look enviously at those teams who seem to waltz to victory with nowhere near the talent we have spent millions on.
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Those 3 new midfielders don't work together in those positions, Elphick is a disaster, the system is too defensive.
Change those 3 things for a start.
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to have taken over the club appointed two managers in the first season and presided over the club sinking to the bottom of the Championship is hardly an auspicious start.
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I really want to do the sensible thing and back Bruce. But the football, and the bollock-kicking losses we seem to have made our new favourite habit, are making it very difficult not to look enviously at those teams who seem to waltz to victory with nowhere near the talent we have spent millions on.
Yes but how long have those clubs had to work on getting things right? None of it was overnight stuff. I'd wager they've all had hammerings and spells of horrible form along the way.
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We have a new owner, new board, new manager, new coaches, and nearly a completely new team. The last 5 years of shite has little, if anything, to do with how crap we currently are.
Horse shit. You don't turn around 6 years of sabotage overnight. The club is still a mess and it'll take time to turn it around.
Apart from everything I said is true. Hardly anyone of note still at the club was involved in the shit of the last 5 years, we're spending massive money, and we're still shit. For everything he fucked up, it's not Lerner's fault Brentford schooled us or we just lost at home to Ipswich playing 5 at the back. It's his fault we're playing them, not his fault we're losing to them.
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Those 3 new midfielders don't work together in those positions, Elphick is a disaster, the system is too defensive.
Change those 3 things for a start.
I think we just threw too many new players in at the same time, both recently and the start of last season. Then again what choice did we have considering the shit we were left in last summer?
Whatever it is it isn't pretty.
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For the new owner and new board to have taken over the club appointed two managers in the first season and presided over the club sinking to the bottom of the Championship is hardly an auspicious start.
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The football is as bad as under McLeish and Lambert. Against lesser opposition in a lower league.
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We have a new owner, new board, new manager, new coaches, and nearly a completely new team. The last 5 years of shite has little, if anything, to do with how crap we currently are.
Horse shit. You don't turn around 6 years of sabotage overnight. The club is still a mess and it'll take time to turn it around.
Apart from everything I said is true. Hardly anyone of note still at the club was involved in the shit of the last 5 years, we're spending massive money, and we're still shit. For everything he fucked up, it's not Lerner's fault Brentford schooled us, we just lost at home to Ipswich playing 5 at the back. It's his fault we're playing them, not his fault we're losing to them.
It's Lerner's fault we're playing Brentford though isn't it, and the state of this club is all his doing? His legacy is there for everyone to see, and we're desperately trying to rid the club of it, but it still stinks.
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It is, which is why I said "It's his fault we're playing them, not his fault we're losing to them."
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Same old Villa. The club is an absolute mess, and all self inflicted as well.
Personally I'd stick with Bruce. Give him a pre-season with the squad and let him have a crack next season, only because of his track record.
At League 1?
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We have a new owner, new board, new manager, new coaches, and nearly a completely new team. The last 5 years of shite has little, if anything, to do with how crap we currently are.
Correct, there are no doubt background problems to resolve, but performances on the pitch given the personnel changes should not be impacted by the recent history. Keep Bruce until the end of season unless we're in the bottom three and if performances haven't improved, I'm afraid it's time for another manager
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Bored.
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Same old Villa. The club is an absolute mess, and all self inflicted as well.
Personally I'd stick with Bruce. Give him a pre-season with the squad and let him have a crack next season, only because of his track record.
At League 1?
Well I don't think we'll go down for a start.
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FFS I've said before I don't rate Bruce and I see little point in continuing with him until the end of the season. Let someone have the rest of this season and pre-season to get the best out of the players we have. Someone who has not passed their sell by date, Rowett, Alexander for example.
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I realy think we need to stick with Bruce just to give some form of stability and continuity. We need to let him have time to get the team to gel. This is not a one season fix after all the stuff that has gone before
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The football is as bad as under McLeish and Lambert. Against lesser opposition in a lower league.
It really is quite something.
If it was happening to any other club it would be hilarious.
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My observations having been there:-
Bakers distribution from the left side is woeful. All that midfield talent and we kept hitting it 50 yards up the pitch.
Excellent first fifteen and could/should have been two up.
Lost our way either side of half time again. Ipswich passed the ball much better than we did without really threatening.
Kodija must be very frustrating to play with - he plays looking at the grass too often. Hogan was seriously hacked off with his inability to spot his runs.
Taylor doesn't look to be an upgrade on Amavi but Hutton had a good game.
We need to stick with Bruce. There have been a lot of changes and we need to give his team time to settled down. The seasons a right off but I'm sure it will turn round.
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We are a team without any cohesive way of of playing other than fucking whack it up field and hop Kodjia can make something happen.
Wimbledon were playing like this 20 years ago, and a damn site fucking better than we are at it.
We have assembled probably the most expensive team in second division history and we're up shit like that!
3 defeats on the spin, to teams below us when we played them.
It's not even upsetting anymore.
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At least we know it was definitely Westwood who was the weak link and holding us back.
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Give Bruce the summer, let him sort out the defence, goalkeeper etc. and we'll be fighting for promotion. Surely it's got to be time for patience and looking at the bigger picture? Hiring and firing, rebuild after rebuild, that's the kind of instability that destroys clubs.
Even if we are in League 1 by then?
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We are going to give someone a thrashing soon.
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We are going to give someone a thrashing soon.Rafa Benitez,12/02/17.
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My word, that was some fucking shit, wasn't it. No width, no drive, no imagination, no penetration.
Still, I was anticipating much worse weather, so not all bad.
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Chesterfield sometime in 2018 would be my bet.
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We are going to give someone a thrashing soon.
We've been saying that since November. We have still only played well once under Bruce, at Brighton. It is worse than under RDM.
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The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).
Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.
Nothing wrong with the club?
We are making the same mistakes as we did under Lerner with MoN in charge, the only differences being we are shit on the pitch and in free fall a division lower than we were.
We need to stop trying to 'buy' everything!
That is what is causing our demise, we throw money at every single problem. The problem with money is it corrupts. We may well have bought the best this division had to offer, but if they were that good, they'd be being snapped up by Premier League teams...
The players we have bought and put on big contracts think they have made it, as we will most probably be the biggest club they will ever play for.
Rotten to the core.
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We are going to give someone a thrashing soon.
You can file that with "we're going to piss the league" and "we're gonna smash this league next season"
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What's Ron Saunders up to these days
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I've only just seen the result after deciding to avoid the frustration of following the match. It seems to have worked - as I generally expect us to lose these days. God knows what Bruce was doing before to have such a successful record of getting teams promoted. I guess his latest failure is a step closer to Dr X making a decision about his (SB's) future. Or lack of one...
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Debacle (http://www.skysports.com/iframe/widget/video/gwM29tOTE6ztdZFBLFJnAlwSQgN_eLKQ#ooid=gwM29tOTE6ztdZFBLFJnAlwSQgN_eLKQ)
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The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).
Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.
Nothing wrong with the club?
We are making the same mistakes as we did under Lerner with MoN in charge, the only differences being we are shit on the pitch and in free fall a division lower than we were.
We need to stop trying to 'buy' everything!
That is what is causing our demise, we throw money at every single problem. The problem with money is it corrupts. We many we'll have bought the best this division had to offer, but if they were that good, they'd be being snapped up by Premier League teams...
The players we have bought and put on big contracts think they have made it, as we will most probably be the biggest club they will ever play for.
Rotten to the core.
what does rotten to the core even mean? We've have stripped every aspect of the Lerner regime from the club unless you think we need to go as far as the canteen staff and laundry service too? The new chairman has spent a fortune, we have executives who have been around the game for a long time and a manager who has a solid track record who is simply underperforming. Everything outside of the playing and coaching staff is different and top down we are significantly better than at the end of last season. I'd understand if the investment hadn't been made but it has and faster than I ever expected it would have been done. I didn't expect us to be Barcelona this season, but with the investment and changes made certainly much, much better than we are at the moment. But not for a second am I blaming the owner for this. He's been let down badly by those he has appointed.
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At least Holloways pre season prediction looks spot on.
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At least Holloways pre season prediction looks spot on.
You're not helping, Kippax.
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The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).
Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.
Nothing wrong with the club?
We are making the same mistakes as we did under Lerner with MoN in charge, the only differences being we are shit on the pitch and in free fall a division lower than we were.
We need to stop trying to 'buy' everything!
That is what is causing our demise, we throw money at every single problem. The problem with money is it corrupts. We many we'll have bought the best this division had to offer, but if they were that good, they'd be being snapped up by Premier League teams...
The players we have bought and put on big contracts think they have made it, as we will most probably be the biggest club they will ever play for.
Rotten to the core.
what does rotten to the core even mean? We've have stripped every aspect of the Lerner regime from the club unless you think we need to go as far as the canteen staff and laundry service too? The new chairman has spent a fortune, we have executives who have been around the game for a long time and a manager who has a solid track record who is simply underperforming. Everything outside of the playing and coaching staff is different and top down we are significantly better than at the end of last season. I'd understand if the investment hadn't been made but it has and faster than I ever expected it would have been done. I didn't expect us to be Barcelona this season, but with the investment and changes made certainly much, much better than we are at the moment. But not for a second am I blaming the owner for this. He's been let down badly by those he has appointed.
Good point on the speed of change, walk before you can run and all that?
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The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).
Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.
Nothing wrong with the club?
We are making the same mistakes as we did under Lerner with MoN in charge, the only differences being we are shit on the pitch and in free fall a division lower than we were.
We need to stop trying to 'buy' everything!
That is what is causing our demise, we throw money at every single problem. The problem with money is it corrupts. We many we'll have bought the best this division had to offer, but if they were that good, they'd be being snapped up by Premier League teams...
The players we have bought and put on big contracts think they have made it, as we will most probably be the biggest club they will ever play for.
Rotten to the core.
what does rotten to the core even mean? We've have stripped every aspect of the Lerner regime from the club unless you think we need to go as far as the canteen staff and laundry service too? The new chairman has spent a fortune, we have executives who have been around the game for a long time and a manager who has a solid track record who is simply underperforming. Everything outside of the playing and coaching staff is different and top down we are significantly better than at the end of last season. I'd understand if the investment hadn't been made but it has and faster than I ever expected it would have been done. I didn't expect us to be Barcelona this season, but with the investment and changes made certainly much, much better than we are at the moment. But not for a second am I blaming the owner for this. He's been let down badly by those he has appointed.
Sigh.
Did you even read my post?
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The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).
Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.
Nothing wrong with the club?
We are making the same mistakes as we did under Lerner with MoN in charge, the only differences being we are shit on the pitch and in free fall a division lower than we were.
We need to stop trying to 'buy' everything!
That is what is causing our demise, we throw money at every single problem. The problem with money is it corrupts. We many we'll have bought the best this division had to offer, but if they were that good, they'd be being snapped up by Premier League teams...
The players we have bought and put on big contracts think they have made it, as we will most probably be the biggest club they will ever play for.
Rotten to the core.
what does rotten to the core even mean? We've have stripped every aspect of the Lerner regime from the club unless you think we need to go as far as the canteen staff and laundry service too? The new chairman has spent a fortune, we have executives who have been around the game for a long time and a manager who has a solid track record who is simply underperforming. Everything outside of the playing and coaching staff is different and top down we are significantly better than at the end of last season. I'd understand if the investment hadn't been made but it has and faster than I ever expected it would have been done. I didn't expect us to be Barcelona this season, but with the investment and changes made certainly much, much better than we are at the moment. But not for a second am I blaming the owner for this. He's been let down badly by those he has appointed.
Sigh.
Did you even read my post?
Yes I did. Rotten to the core made no sense whatsoever and in most cases entirely contradicts the points you were trying to make. The fact that our owner went out and appointed football executives and bought players to change our fortunes as quickly as possible suggests the club isn't rotten to the core at all.
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we certainly aint a team at the moment, training ground tomorrow me thinks, because we are a team of individuals, I thought the problem was the midfield when we had westy and gard but theres no steel Lansbury has a great eye for a pass and I hope the other new players can over the coming weeks give performances like him.
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People were correct when they said SB was the man that would get us out of this division. I'm definately a convert now so have started to look up who our local derbies will be against next season. Walsall and Shrewsbury look good for starters!!!
Still looking for that elusive team we are going to give a hammering to soon!!
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When we are top five in Europe we will look back at these days and laugh.
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When we are top five in Europe we will look back at these days and laugh.
The agony being that comment seem so facile.
So pissed off today. I want to be objective. I think Bruce needs time and support. We chop and change far too often. We supposedly have quality players but we are continually mugged by shite opposition. We have no recognisable playing style because we just throw players together under a revolving door of new managers and demand performances. That's why team like fucking Brentford make u look like twats. Having said that, sooner rather than later the bloody prima donnas we seem to attract need to grow some balls. If there isn't a ruck in our changing room this evening then it isn't right. They don't need tummy tickiling, they need a bloody rocket to see who'll stand up.
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Fucking cold and fucking fed up with what's masquerading as football at Villa Park. Bruce got the line up wrong today - setting aside the rights and wrongs of 3 CB's + wing backs, if he plays that system surely Bacuna and Amavi are better options than Hutton and Taylor, then when it's clear it isn't working he does nothing to change it until it's too late. Of course it doesn't help that you've got 10 individual players who only meet up in the tunnel on matchdays, they sure as shit don't look like they're coached as anything like a team in between times. Before the season I said I was looking forward to walking across Aston Park in expectation of seeing us play decent football against poorer teams and actually winning games; now it's exactly the same as it felt last season - a trudge expecting nothing worth watching. There's something really rotten at Villa and I don't know what it is - new owner, new board, new structure, new manager, new coaching staff, money for the manager to buy players - but we seem to buy the best midfielders/strikers in the division and turn them to shit. We're nearer the drop than reaching the play-offs now, and although I don't think either will happen, I'm really pissed off with it all right now
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Not good, I am wondering what Dr Tony thinking about now. Stick with him or change manager.
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We're shit. Bruce has made no difference now the bounce is over. We could easily go down now,
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Wharburton or Rowett? Both out of a job no compensation, short term contract until the end of the season. At the very least we'd get a ded cat bounce which might be enough to keep us up
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The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).
Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.
Nothing wrong with the club?
We are making the same mistakes as we did under Lerner with MoN in charge, the only differences being we are shit on the pitch and in free fall a division lower than we were.
We need to stop trying to 'buy' everything!
That is what is causing our demise, we throw money at every single problem. The problem with money is it corrupts. We many we'll have bought the best this division had to offer, but if they were that good, they'd be being snapped up by Premier League teams...
The players we have bought and put on big contracts think they have made it, as we will most probably be the biggest club they will ever play for.
Rotten to the core.
what does rotten to the core even mean? We've have stripped every aspect of the Lerner regime from the club unless you think we need to go as far as the canteen staff and laundry service too? The new chairman has spent a fortune, we have executives who have been around the game for a long time and a manager who has a solid track record who is simply underperforming. Everything outside of the playing and coaching staff is different and top down we are significantly better than at the end of last season. I'd understand if the investment hadn't been made but it has and faster than I ever expected it would have been done. I didn't expect us to be Barcelona this season, but with the investment and changes made certainly much, much better than we are at the moment. But not for a second am I blaming the owner for this. He's been let down badly by those he has appointed.
Sigh.
Did you even read my post?
Yes I did. Rotten to the core made no sense whatsoever and in most cases entirely contradicts the points you were trying to make. The fact that our owner went out and appointed football executives and bought players to change our fortunes as quickly as possible suggests the club isn't rotten to the core at all.
I will admit that my comment of rotten to the core was a little direction-less.
I was not aiming that at the club, it was aimed at money corrupting the players we have 'invested' in to get us out of this mess.
We need to develop what we have rather than spunking money at every player we see. What has happened to our academy? Where are our youth players?
The likes of Clark and Bannan are proof we can develop successful players at this level, who will never get a chance.
Our turnover of players in the last twelve months coupled with the frequent manager merry go round means Aston Villa has lost its identity.
I hope we find it soon. As soon there will be no more money to spunk.
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Puzzling afternoon again at Villa Park.
We're a million miles away from being a coherent team. The performances haven't been much better than the team away, so it's no real surprise that the results are now following.
Few observations, 3 at the back is pointless if you play two full backs who don't play 20 yards further forward and stretch the game.
Essentially it was a flat back 5 first half and with Lansbury almost on top of Elphick we had 6 players deep in our own half when trying to build attacks. Invariably we went long too often and gave it away.
Why make it difficult for the players and play them in positions they've never played before.
We need to either coach our wider players to become wingbacks or get back to playing a flat back four and getting the best out of the midfield and forward players.
Taylor had a mare and Bjarnason has now played three different positions all badly.
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Just give the job to Dean Smith
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Understood AvFc4eVeR. I think the players are fine. The manager isn't getting remotely what is needed out of them. That they all wanted to play for us is still a testament to the drawing power we have. And yes money played a role in that. But Bruce isn't giving them the license to play with freedom and he is becoming more and more conservative in his approach. I truly hope that is the last we see of 5-3-2 or whatever it is meant to be with 3 CB's.
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Spending the weekend in Paris, and villa even manage to ruin that. I was following the h&v thread today, I really don't have any clue to what's happened to our club. speechless.
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Five across the back at home.
The first indication of a manager running out of ideas. Did Matteo started doing it, as did Sherwood.
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Understood AvFc4eVeR. I think the players are fine. The manager isn't getting remotely what is needed out of them. That they all wanted to play for us is still a testament to the drawing power we have. And yes money played a role in that. But Bruce isn't giving them the license to play with freedom and he is becoming more and more conservative in his approach. I truly hope that is the last we see of 5-3-2 or whatever it is meant to be with 3 CB's.
I see the 5-3-2 as a knee jerk reaction from Bruce to our performance at Brentford where we strongly criticised him for no midfield, even though he played 3 new midfielders.
We need to go back to basics. Bruce has always been a 4-4-2 manager yet he has never started a game like that with us.
I am not advocating removing Bruce either, we do need stability, as much as we need to be at the right end of the table.
But one will not come without the other!
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It's been said already but with 3 5 2 you need to have some proper width and pace.
The launching of Baker's so-called passes does not lend itself to that formation although he wasn't the only one.
Hogan did nothing of note but on numerous occasions he was on the shoulder of the defender waiting for a ball which usually went high towards the corner. Also, Bjarnason and Hourihane have to be better than they are showing, don't they? Link up play was largely non-existent.
It was bad enough failing to win, but losing the game was inexcusable, gifted through another defensive calamity, although my nephew said a minute before the goal that it had 1-0 to them written all over it. They worked hard but are largely a bunch of loanees , cast offs or youngsters. They lost 2 defenders in the first half but still coped with our limited threats and had a good keeper.
Kodjia always has a threat but needs to be harnessed properly; he seemed to be playing on his own and wherever he fancied today.
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Reading previous posts, I honestly believe that some people in this thread have more idea about tactics than Bruce does.
I wonder if he'd get a better perspective watching the game from high up in the stands.
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The launching of Baker's so-called passes does not lend itself to that formation although he wasn't the only one.
I'll start moaning about him when he starts having any other options. The problem again today was nobody wants the ball. See our throw-ins too. No movement, nobody making themselves available for the ball, they all run around like musical chairs looking for an opposition player to mark them. What they do at Bodymoor Heath I have no idea.
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Would anyone here have started that team and formation, at home. I'm baffled
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Would anyone here have started that team and formation, at home. I'm baffled
I keep going on about it, but I just don't get the logic of 5 3 2 considering the resources he has.
Once he has decided that, then the problems just pile up.
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After the disaster of today we need to put 3-5-2 to bed and get back to a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3.
Against Barnsley Id go with
Johnstone - no other option
Bree (if fit), Chester, Baker, Taylor
Gardner
Lansbury Hourihane
Adomah Green
Hogan
We need to play as a team and play to our strengths. Kodija is not a team player and we need a win desperately so Id go with Hogan with Adomah and Green off the flanks. Gardner would just sit for me and id tell him to graft and graft and graft and protect the defense allowing Lansbury to be more creative.
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I can't see us winning the league this season.
You can get us at 1500/1 now.
Would you bet against us ?
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Couldn't make the game today ( thankfully). Watched the rugby. Could do with Eddie Jones to instill some confidence and never say die attitude into villa. Plus he seems to make substitutions at the right time
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Taylor had a mare and Bjarnason has now played three different positions all badly.
Jack of no trades.
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Taylor had a mare and Bjarnason has now played three different positions all badly.
Jack of no trades.
I thought Viking was easily our best player today. Good link-up and dropped into space nicely.
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I can't see us winning the league this season.
You can get us at 1500/1 now.
Would you bet against us ?
Er, yeah.
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Lansbury looked good in the clips. Did he run out of steam? Elphick comical defending
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Taylor had a mare and Bjarnason has now played three different positions all badly.
Jack of no trades.
I thought Viking was easily our best player today. Good link-up and dropped into space nicely.
Don't agree, caught the wrong side of the player on numerous occasions and hasn't the pace, needs time to adjust to the speed of the English game.
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After the disaster of today we need to put 3-5-2 to bed and get back to a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3.
Against Barnsley Id go with
Johnstone - no other option
Bree (if fit), Chester, Baker, Taylor
Gardner
Lansbury Hourihane
Adomah Green
Hogan
We need to play as a team and play to our strengths. Kodija is not a team player and we need a win desperately so Id go with Hogan with Adomah and Green off the flanks. Gardner would just sit for me and id tell him to graft and graft and graft and protect the defense allowing Lansbury to be more creative.
I think that is the way I would go now, although it would be hard to drop Kodjia as he is our most dangerous player but ultimately the team comes first and he most definitely is not a team player as he runs with his head down, plays purely on instinct.
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The whole club is a mess which he walked into. I think we were all a little bit deluded into thinking we'd bounce back from 6 years of sabotage overnight (me included).
Again, there's nothing wrong with the club. We have everything in place, superb facilities, good people, strong investment, the problem is the team.
Nothing wrong with the club?
We are making the same mistakes as we did under Lerner with MoN in charge, the only differences being we are shit on the pitch and in free fall a division lower than we were.
We need to stop trying to 'buy' everything!
That is what is causing our demise, we throw money at every single problem. The problem with money is it corrupts. We may well have bought the best this division had to offer, but if they were that good, they'd be being snapped up by Premier League teams...
The players we have bought and put on big contracts think they have made it, as we will most probably be the biggest club they will ever play for.
Rotten to the core.
I agree with the thrust of this. We've got to stop wasting cash on managers and players. I agree with some of the points collymore has made about naivety in spending 50m when the playoffs were a longshot. Just hope it's Xia money and not attaching debt against the club. Could be even more scary in a few years time if so and we're stuck in ECL or league 1.
15 teams above us most if which haven't spent anything like us last two windows
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I thought Elphick would be a really good player for us. A leader, knows this division, proper defender. How wrong I was, he's absolute horseshit.
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Reading previous posts, I honestly believe that some people in this thread have more idea about tactics than Bruce does.
I wonder if he'd get a better perspective watching the game from high up in the stands.
I think he would
At another ground with his back to the pitch
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I thought Elphick would be a really good player for us. A leader, knows this division, proper defender. How wrong I was, he's absolute horseshit.
Same here. I compared his performance at Sheff Wed with Olly Mellberg. A leader of men. A fearless captain.
I'm not sure who I'd compare him to now.
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I thought Elphick would be a really good player for us. A leader, knows this division, proper defender. How wrong I was, he's absolute horseshit.
Same here. I compared his performance at Sheff Wed with Olly Mellberg. A leader of men. A fearless captain.
I'm not sure who I'd compare him to now.
Lescott
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Fucking fuck. Sick and tired of this shit. When's it going to end? Ipswich scored with their only shot on target. 5-3-2 at home is defeatest shit.
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I said earlier as soon as you start with formations like that at home you're fucked. Bruce has lost the plot and will go the way of every other recent Villa manager.
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I thought Elphick would be a really good player for us. A leader, knows this division, proper defender. How wrong I was, he's absolute horseshit.
Same here. I compared his performance at Sheff Wed with Olly Mellberg. A leader of men. A fearless captain.
I'm not sure who I'd compare him to now.
Titus Bramble.
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I'm at a point now where I'd prefer to see Micah in the team ahead of Mad Tom. He really is terrible
How can the coaching staff have mapped out a plan for attacking corners that had McCafu as the man positioned centrally just outside of the Ipswich box ?
If you're going to play wingbacks, play fecking wingbacks as wingbacks. You couldnt find two players more suited to that role in this division than Bacuna and Amavi. Instead Bruce starts McCafu (who played ok) and Taylor (who was poor)
Hourihane played better today and at least Kod did attempt to pass to Hogan a couple of times.
Good tactic by Mick to just let Baker have the ball. He's great at heading and blocking but when it comes to kicking a football he makes James Collins look like Ronaldo.
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I thought Elphick would be a really good player for us. A leader, knows this division, proper defender. How wrong I was, he's absolute horseshit.
Same here. I compared his performance at Sheff Wed with Olly Mellberg. A leader of men. A fearless captain.
I'm not sure who I'd compare him to now.
Titus Bramble.
Harsh on Titus.
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I thought Elphick would be a really good player for us. A leader, knows this division, proper defender. How wrong I was, he's absolute horseshit.
Same here. I compared his performance at Sheff Wed with Olly Mellberg. A leader of men. A fearless captain.
I'm not sure who I'd compare him to now.
Titus Bramble.
Who if I recall correctly, Steve Bruce turned into a decent centre half for a bit.
I was at the game for about 1 minute today, and it sounds like it was the best minute. We can't go on losing for much longer, but Bruce still is the best option for us at present. There are too many new players in the team at once, and that is what is doing us in. With an inferior but slightly more settled bunch Bruce had us playing ta auto-promotion level. Auto-promotion is what we will achieve next season under Bruce.
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I thought Elphick would be a really good player for us. A leader, knows this division, proper defender. How wrong I was, he's absolute horseshit.
Same here. I compared his performance at Sheff Wed with Olly Mellberg. A leader of men. A fearless captain.
I'm not sure who I'd compare him to now.
Titus Bramble.
Roger Johnson
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I say stick with him, give him until xmas but who would you want to replace him with?
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I thought Elphick would be a really good player for us. A leader, knows this division, proper defender. How wrong I was, he's absolute horseshit.
Same here. I compared his performance at Sheff Wed with Olly Mellberg. A leader of men. A fearless captain.
I'm not sure who I'd compare him to now.
Titus Bramble.
Roger Johnson
Ugo Ehiogu's debut.
*Prepares hard hat*
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The darkest hour is before the dawn.
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I thought Elphick would be a really good player for us. A leader, knows this division, proper defender. How wrong I was, he's absolute horseshit.
Same here. I compared his performance at Sheff Wed with Olly Mellberg. A leader of men. A fearless captain.
I'm not sure who I'd compare him to now.
Titus Bramble.
Roger Johnson
Ugo Ehiogu's debut.
*Prepares hard hat*
you'll need it, I once referred to his shocker v Norwich and was shot down in flames. Can't remember why now? Either that game wasn't his debut as I had claimed or it was his debut but wasn't as bad as I'd made out. Either way I took pelters. Good luck!
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I say stick with him, give him until xmas but who would you want to replace him with?
Dean Smith
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BMH would devour Dean Smith within six months.
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The darkest hour is before the dawn.
It feels like we're 100kms inside the Artic Circle and it's still only December.
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I'm saddened, frustrated, puzzled.
But let's support our owner and our team. The best thing we can do currently is to be patient and give all we can for our team.
Let's be supporters, literally. It's easy to break, more difficult to create.
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I'm just thawing out after watching the most turgid performance in 55 years supporting Villa.
What I'm worried about is that Bruce has completely lost the plot, his decisions have been poor, tactically and strategically.
When we needed experience between the sticks he borrowed a promising rookie, who frankly is no better than the rookie we already had. Poor decision.
He's purchased Swansea's reserve left back who for the life of me looks like he may be able to be Amavi's back up on a good day. Poor decision.
The Icelander is way too slow for English football, especially the Championship. Poor decision.
And don't start me on 3-5-2...every manager's tactic when they simply haven't a clue what to do next.
To play 3-5-2 and to stop it being 5-3-2 you have to have brave, attacking wing backs with attacking and crossing ability.
A bit like , er...Bacuna and Amavi. Bruce you lost us this game today with your failure to do what you're supposed to do, pick a system to suit the players and ice versa. Poor decision.
Plus point for me was Hourihane, worked his socks off and a last a player who can cross the ball to where it's supposed to go.
The most expensively assembled team to go into the third tier?
It's happened before.
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Only going occasionally but having been there today, I can only say I'm left bewildered that there seems to be a lack of cohesion in the team, with too much hopeful kicking upfield, poor passing and very little constructive attacking. The formation and team selection with which we started certainly did not work. As I said I'm bewildered as to what the answer may be, I'll have to leave that to those who manage to go on a regular basis. I'm still waiting to see my first win of the 21st Century, come on lads look at my age.
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I miss the heady days of Westwood in midfield.
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Clueless!
Why does a team who are unbeaten at home all season suddenly revert to 5 at the back?
Hutton and Taylor are not wing backs!
In effect because Lansbury was playing as the holding midfielder we were playing with 6 at the back. The return of Jedi will only ensure this even more if we persist with 5 at the back, because he's been playing as an extra centre half anyway. Why do we play with a holding midfielder if we've got 3 centre backs? It's a contradictory tactic and reduces our attacking intent by 1.
On 60 minutes today, Ipswich were taking a throw-in just to the left of the Villa bench. We had 9 outfield players including Kodjia in and around our 18yard box, leaving only Hogan up front. Ridiculous!!!
What were those substitutions about? Having started the game with 5 at the back we ended up with just 2 (Chester and Baker) with Adomah and Green playing wing backs (I think?!?!) and bacuna being bacuna. This was a shambles of a formation today and only served to neutralise our attacking intent. Little wonder we lost! Incidentally when I told my wife that we played with 5 at the back today, she said "isn't that defensive?" For someone who knows little about football she hit the nail on the head!
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Incidentally when I told my wife that we played with 5 at the back today, she said "isn't that defensive?"
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Can we just fast forward to May now? The rest of this season is going to be depressing, starting Tuesday night. After that today the crowd on Tuesday will be very very low against lesser opposition and being on Valentines Day.
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just fucking burn it down already
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Taylor had a mare and Bjarnason has now played three different positions all badly.
Jack of no trades.
I thought Viking was easily our best player today. Good link-up and dropped into space nicely.
Really?
I thought he was absolute garbage, no influence on the game when we had the ball and too slow to close down when we hadn't. How he stayed on the pitch all game I will never know. Hourihan much the same although his dead ball taking gave him a slight edge.
Only Lansbury had a good game, Kodja tried hard but made very bad choices in possession.
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I could have accepted the 3-5-2, but not with Hutton. That decision was mystifying. As for the left, I like Amavi going forward and would have thought that system would suit him. I will say again that Kodjia needs to learn to pass to players in better positions at times. I am really worried that Bruce may be struggling, his biggest club before was Sunderland and he struggled there.
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Evening all. I'm just home - pissed - via a Freddie Mercury tribute act - so you can guess that it hasn't been my greatest day. I haven't read the thread so these thoughts are my own.
Elphick is an absolute bomb scare and needs dropping/selling/burning with fire
Hutton is not a wing back. Bacuna is the obvious choice at right wing back
If we persist with 3 at the back - even at home - then play Hutton in there - he really can't do worse than Elphick. He simply can't.
Lansbury is not a holding midfielder. He just isn't
Kodjia needs to understand how team play works. It's not all about him. Looking up and passing to Hogan now and then will benefit us all.
Taylor couldn't cross the road right now, but it's his first game so I'll give him time.
Bruce needs to sort this uttter shit and quick.
Night all.
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We've now won 11 of our last 68 first team games. A 16.1 percent win rate. When will it end.
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Just got in. First 45 mins OK, we just couldn't score, second 45 was poor, no one wanted to take responsibility, only players making through passes were the centre backs. Elphick culpable for their goal but other than that looked solid, Hogan works hard but barely had a sniff, Kodjia needs to keep it simple and taking off both full backs seemed strange.Ipswich were V V V average but once again we've lost a game we really shouldn't have. And our keeper couldn't catch a cold. We don't want to accept we could be drawn into a relegation battle but couple more bad results and we will be.
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I thought Elphick would be a really good player for us. A leader, knows this division, proper defender. How wrong I was, he's absolute horseshit.
Same here. I compared his performance at Sheff Wed with Olly Mellberg. A leader of men. A fearless captain.
I'm not sure who I'd compare him to now.
Titus Bramble.
Roger Johnson
Ugo Ehiogu's debut.
*Prepares hard hat*
Lol, I remember Ugo having a mare, giving the ball away every touch.
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1. Elphick is shit and shouldn't start for us again, comedy defender who seems to have never recovered from a bad injury.
2. 5 at the back when the two ''wingbacks'' are 2 of the shittest players you've seen going forward, yeah fuck off.
3. Buy a new midfield, play them all in different positions to what they are used to, yeah fuck off again.
4. Kodija, ask him to start passing, dickhead.
Who's to blame now?
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I come home at least once year to, amongst everything else, get a few games in. I'm due back next Oct and was hoping to bring my 9 And 6 year old lads back to fulfil a father's 'right of passage' and take the boys to their first football match. I'm now thinking why f'ing bother because, to be frank, I've f'in had enough! This is beyond a joke. At least we remember when we were decent. These young lads haven't got a chance. What young lad wants to support a team that is constantly shit, week in week out. Looks like Perth Glory is the place.......and they are even worse than us!
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There was a time when a Villa defeat completely ruined my weekend. For the past five years that has graduated into not really giving a shit. Today on hearing the result, I actually smiled. Thanks Steve.
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There was a time when a Villa defeat completely ruined my weekend. For the past five years that has graduated into not really giving a shit. Today on hearing the result, I actually smiled. Thanks Steve.
You smiled? When you heard we'd lost you smiled? Why?
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Total and utter exasperation.
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I felt that too. Didn't smile though.
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I take your point Chinchilla. It's just relentless...
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Yes, it is. I appreciate that, fully.
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Steve Bruce is showing the Alan Pardew effect. great when he gets a couple of results, but when it is going wrong has not got a clue how to turn it around.
Watched via a FB live stream so not a great feed, (but thanks for the guy who streamed it) and we are continuing to make the same mistakes, not playing square pegs in square holes, playing at a pace that is pedestrian and with a manager on the sidelines that has been drained by the famous AVFC already. Continuity is fine as long as it is working, sticking with a guy just because we have changed a number of times over a short period will see continuity, it will see us continue to plummet.
Thanks Steve but next please.
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The one person not to blalme is the owner, he's given Bruce full backing, I don't blame the players either for the most part they were the best players at their previous clubs, so its down to the manager he is the one who decides who plays where and the set up of the team, I was happy with his appointment but if he cannot get the quality players to play together then he needs to go, if we lose midweek I would sack him.
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Yesterday's starting line included four players making their villa park debuts you should expect a lack of cohesion, we had enough of the ball
to have this game won well before the 80th minute, an individual mistake cost us against one the poorest championships teams I've seen at villa park this season, but this all ways going to happen if we don't score, yesterday we got well and truly mugged, with hindsight it would have been better to ease some of these players in. By chances created we should have walked the last two games, over to the team at bmh
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Let's be honest even when we were winning games under him a lot of them were more by luck than judgement, and the football was still dreadful. Even the last game we won, Burton on Boxing Day, was very harsh on them and we didn't deserve to win.
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To an extent defeat the last two weeks has been a bit harsh but we've ended up contriving a way to lose and we are now in a horribly familiar Lambertesque spiral. Wtf we do about it I don't know but we've simply got to score more. We're so goal-shy that one goal beats us more often than not. If we scored more those late defensive lapses would lead to nervy hanging on to wins rather than defeats. This last month or so has been as bad as last season against worse teams. Utter shit.
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We can all over analyse every goal that we concede and I guess if you analyse all of the goals scored in matches yesterday there will be a high percentage where it could be argued that a defending player did not do what they should have done.
For many of the goals we have shipped this season there has been an element of pantomime "behind you" faces as players fall over and there are pinball wizard (or buzzard more like) deflections and ricochet which result in a clear goal scoring opportunity for our opponents.
If this from continues we will have an even bigger problem than we have now. We are not good enough to keep clean sheets.
We did not deserve to lose but not did we deserve a win.
There are no excuses but a suspect we would all of been unhappy with a draw yesterday.
Elphick has been a liability this season.
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We didn't play well although we still should have won. Two off the line and one off the bar.
3 at the back was not necessary against a side that barely came out of their own half. There was something horribly familiar about a side that had one shot at goal and scored from it.
There was no need for Elphick to be on the pitch. A goal from a slip. A freezing cold day. A disjointed fudge in the main. Ergh.
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The one person not to blalme is the owner, he's given Bruce full backing, I don't blame the players either for the most part they were the best players at their previous clubs, so its down to the manager he is the one who decides who plays where and the set up of the team, I was happy with his appointment but if he cannot get the quality players to play together then he needs to go, if we lose midweek I would sack him.
Surely we can't sack a manager after 4 games with his own team. Tony will give him this season at least. Rightly.
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The players need to take some responsibility. Ipswich were awful, did nothing but pounce upon a mistake and had the conviction, absent in the rest of their play for 89:50 and won a game.
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Add Ipswich to a long list of Champ sides I've seen this season without a single player I'd be interested in buying. That said they looked far slicker in possession and often had midfield runners carrying the ball at our defenders. Which they then gave away.
In patches we looked good but a lack of urgency, impetus call it what you will, did for us. Again.
One thing we noticed was that after we went behind there was another break in play and our lads just stood around looking at their feet, there didn't seem to be anyone leading, anyone suggesting to the others that all was not lost.
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The players need to take some responsibility. Ipswich were awful, did nothing but pounce upon a mistake and had the conviction, absent in the rest of their play for 89:50 and won a game.
We must be the easiest team to play as the opposition don't need to try they just sit and wait for us to make a mistake.
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One slight ray of hope is that by playing Jedinak we can release Lansbury to play closer to the forwards and his eye for a pass can create chances for them. He was really excellent yesterday, everything we hoped he would be.
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Like someone said on the thread earlier, if you're going to play two wing backs then you need to them to have pace, get up and down the flank and be able to put a decent cross over. Bacuna and Amavi are the obvious two to play in that role. Jedinak will make a difference when he's back but it needs to improve from yesterday because it wasn't good enough.
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I think we a now in back in crisis mode. Don't see where the next goal or point are coming from. The MoN curse is holding strong.
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It's funny how results have been consistently awful since he left
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This clown will not see the season out.
Out thought by Mick Mccarthy ffs
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He wasn't though was he? Ipswich capitalised on an unenforced error, where as we seem incapable of taking simple chances.
We didn't create anywhere near enough and that was down to an unnecessary system against a team not interested in doing anything but contain, but we should have been two up at half time and you can guarantee if Baker player for Ipswich, then we'd have shanked the goal line clearance into our own net.
We need a holding midfielder to get Lansbury 30 yards further up the pitch. At the moment that's Gardner.
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McCarthy was always going to come here, give us a lot of the ball, defend solidly, come for the draw and hope for a mistake. I said it in the pre match thread and I know fuck all about football, so why Bruce played 5 at the back god only knows, someone tweet Mcgrath for the answer.
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Didn't go yesterday....wasn't surprised at how dull the game looked given the two teams involved but losing that just sums us up doesn't it?
All the money....all these great new players (on paper) and yet we still have the same issues we did in August.
We lost against a mid table team that have wanted their manager out for months.
I really don't know what to say anymore....just get this season over and done with and hope the hope club has a brain transplant in the summer.
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Oh the shame and dignity.
But for a bit of luck, but you make your own luck
Promotion next season* once players who get paid oodles of mula gel to a team. ::)
*back to the premiership, not back to the championship
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Steve Bruce was on TV last week (made in Birmingham, I think). His eyes said it all. You didn't need to be a psychologist to see that he currently feels that his job is beyond him. However, as I have seen many times in my working life people can recover from a lack of self belief. We have to give him time to get a grip of this club and all the new players. Another change of manager at this time could prove terminal for this club. It hasn't worked over the last six years and there is no guarantee a continuation of the management revolving door will change things. This season is effectively over and as long as we stay up, Bruce should be given the close season to bond this group of fairly talented players into a team.
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Nine points behind Preston! Fucking Preston!
Steve Bruce you have not got a clue unfortunately - 5 at the back with 3 non footballing centre halves and two wing backs who are shit at getting forward - at home. To Ipswich. Ipswich!
Someone. Please. Make. It. Stop
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Steve Bruce was on TV last week (made in Birmingham, I think). His eyes said it all. You didn't need to be a psychologist to see that he currently feels that his job is beyond him. However, as I have seen many times in my working life people can recover from a lack of self belief. We have to give him time to get a grip of this club and all the new players. Another change of manager at this time could prove terminal for this club. It hasn't worked over the last six years and there is no guarantee a continuation of the management revolving door will change things. This season is effectively over and as long as we stay up, Bruce should be given the close season to bond this group of fairly talented players into a team.
Sorry but no, if anything over the last 6 years can be pinpointed as the single worst decision in that time it was, with hindsight, not getting rid of Lambert much sooner than we did. If we'd fucked him off late in his 2nd season he'd have had no complaints and we'd not have signed the shit he picked up in that last summer or have given Gabby a new contract on the back of 2-3 half decent performances. We would've been able to bring in someone new whilst we still had Delph and Benteke and the whole tactics tim thing would never have happened.
What that should show us is that if someone looks like they have no idea what they're doing and they just making it up as they go along sticking with them in hope and for stability isn't the answer. Stibility is great if you're not heading in the wrong direction. Stability because you're scared of the alternative is a whole different story.
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In the pub after the game I said that it felt like we could sign Messi and Ronaldo and still be dreadful, and my companion said - it's worse than that, if we signed Messi and Ronaldo we'd get worse!
That's how it feels at the moment, it doesn't matter who we sign, or how good they are, we just keep getting worse.
I don't get how Bruce said he wanted to play 442 and was looking to make a couple of signings to enable that shape, explained exactly how those players would fit the bill, and then plays some weird 531 game against Ipswich at home? It makes no sense at all - I can't think where his head has gone in such a short time, or what problem he can see that is stopping us from doing that.
Maybe it'll happen once the new players have settled a bit, maybe by signing more players than he thought he would and upset the balance more than he intended and it'll take longer than he thought to get there. I can't see it.
That said, our longest standing new signing, Lansbury, has really started to look the part, so maybe the others will start to fit around him. Also, if you put a team out that creates 16 chances in the first half alone, with 2 proven goal scorers at this level up front, and restrict your opposition to 1 shot on target, then however unpretty it looked you've got to wonder what you've got to do to come away with the points!
It actually is like a curse - I cannot make any sense of it at all.
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Nine points behind Preston! Fucking Preston!
Steve Bruce you have not got a clue unfortunately - 5 at the back with 3 non footballing centre halves and two wing backs who are shit at getting forward - at home. To Ipswich. Ipswich!
Someone. Please. Make. It. Stop
An utter funcknugget of a post. Is that because Preston don't "deserve" to be above Villa or is it that Villa are "Too big" to be in this mess? Am hoping that this great club sorts itself out and doesn't do a Leeds, Charlton etc etc , but playing the big club card is crass. Thanks for the four points. Oh and Fifty grand fifty grand Daniel Johnson....
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Oh great, now were at the stage of smaller clubs fans (yeah, yeah you're above us, took four points off us blah, blah, blah) coming on here in post match threads that have nothing to do with them and getting all offended while trying to tell us what to think and how to behave.
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Steve Bruce was on TV last week (made in Birmingham, I think). His eyes said it all. You didn't need to be a psychologist to see that he currently feels that his job is beyond him. However, as I have seen many times in my working life people can recover from a lack of self belief. We have to give him time to get a grip of this club and all the new players. Another change of manager at this time could prove terminal for this club. It hasn't worked over the last six years and there is no guarantee a continuation of the management revolving door will change things. This season is effectively over and as long as we stay up, Bruce should be given the close season to bond this group of fairly talented players into a team.
Sorry but no, if anything over the last 6 years can be pinpointed as the single worst decision in that time it was, with hindsight, not getting rid of Lambert much sooner than we did. If we'd fucked him off late in his 2nd season he'd have had no complaints and we'd not have signed the shit he picked up in that last summer or have given Gabby a new contract on the back of 2-3 half decent performances. We would've been able to bring in someone new whilst we still had Delph and Benteke and the whole tactics tim thing would never have happened.
What that should show us is that if someone looks like they have no idea what they're doing and they just making it up as they go along sticking with them in hope and for stability isn't the answer. Stibility is great if you're not heading in the wrong direction. Stability because you're scared of the alternative is a whole different story.
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We were in a different ownership situation when Lambert was here. Lambert was brought in not to produce successful football but to manage an investment at no net cost until the owner could get shut of it. Lambert who is essentially a good manager was never allowed to manage the club forward. Delph, Benteke and all other good players sold off would never have been kept at the club while Lerner was the owner, whoever was the manager. They were seen as balance sheet assets. The one principled individual in all of the last six years of calamity was O'Neill, who walked rather than carry out the sort of thing that Lambert was tasked with. We now have new and progressive ownership who I believe will see the benefit of supporting this manager by giving him time to rebuild the disastrous shambles that he has taken on.
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Why bother signing up for another teams forum?
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You stick with a manager who might not be getting results but you can see what his vision is and you can see some evidence of progress. Now the new manager bounce has gone, the only direction we are going is Division Three. Maximum 6 more games for me. Is we are still a shambles in 6 games get shot.
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Why bother signing up for another teams forum?
Especially as dropping 2 points against this Villa team is hardly an achievement to shout from the rooftops.
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To have a transfer window to bring in your own players then playing virtually 6 2 2 at home against the might of ipswich at home is quite frankly the actions of a lunatic
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I'm disappointed in myself because it doesn't hurt me as much as it used to
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Just home thanks to overhead cables on the Euston line being brought down. If I had to summarise our plight in the fewest words I would say "badly managed rabble". The Bruce honeymoon is over. Happy Birthday Sexual. You share it with Mel Brooks. "Where do you plan to go?" "Nowhere special" " Nowhere Special? That's somewhere I have always dreamed of going."
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One slight ray of hope is that by playing Jedinak we can release Lansbury to play closer to the forwards and his eye for a pass can create chances for them. He was really excellent yesterday, everything we hoped he would be.
we need Jedinak back . He will make a difference with the new midfield
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One slight ray of hope is that by playing Jedinak we can release Lansbury to play closer to the forwards and his eye for a pass can create chances for them. He was really excellent yesterday, everything we hoped he would be.
we need Jedinak back . He will make a difference with the new midfield
If after the money we have spent one player I so crucial then things are badly awry. I think playing Hutton and Taylor over Bacuna and Amavi demonstrated his Intention to play five at the back. Against Ipswich at home is outrageous. That's a big concern.
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Jediank will definitely make a difference for both Ange and Houri. The fact that SB does not see the need for another holding DMF player in the side is worrying.
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One slight ray of hope is that by playing Jedinak we can release Lansbury to play closer to the forwards and his eye for a pass can create chances for them. He was really excellent yesterday, everything we hoped he would be.
we need Jedinak back . He will make a difference with the new midfield
You only NEED Jedinak if you going to play Elphick or facing a better team that dominating the middle. So the other obvious solution is just not playing Elphick, then you can focus on playing the best productive midfield to support strikers. Jedinak is excellent at winning the ball but he cant pass and build play. Sacrificing 2 spots in the pick to shore up a defensive line against a team we should be attacking most of the time is bonkers. A back 4 without Elphick and Hutton will be good enough now that we have the tools to go forward through the middle and pose a threat. Bruce is fucking up fixing a problem that isn't there anymore and creating an even bigger mess in the process IMHO.
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I don't get how Bruce said he wanted to play 442 and was looking to make a couple of signings to enable that shape, explained exactly how those players would fit the bill, and then plays some weird 531 game against Ipswich at home? It makes no sense at all - I can't think where his head has gone in such a short time, or what problem he can see that is stopping us from doing that.
He had the stuffing knocked out of him with the Brentford debacle and lost his nerve. You can lose 3-0 away as a rags manager or Wigan manager and not much is said, lose 3-0 away as the big spending Aston Villa and you are under the microscope and the pressure is on. Bruce is struggling to handle the pressure at the moment and by default went in to an even more safety mode. I think he will come good, but this isn't a good sign at the moment.
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I don't get how Bruce said he wanted to play 442 and was looking to make a couple of signings to enable that shape, explained exactly how those players would fit the bill, and then plays some weird 531 game against Ipswich at home? It makes no sense at all - I can't think where his head has gone in such a short time, or what problem he can see that is stopping us from doing that.
He had the stuffing knocked out of him with the Brentford debacle and lost his nerve. You can lose 3-0 away as a rags manager or Wigan manager and not much is said, lose 3-0 away as the big spending Aston Villa and you are under the microscope and the pressure is on. Bruce is struggling to handle the pressure at the moment and by default went in to an even more safety mode. I think he will come good, but this isn't a good sign at the moment.
The most sensible comment I've read on this subject in a while.
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Didn't see the game yesterday, and only just reading about it today. It's interesting reading through the thread though and seeing how the initial knee jerk anger and frustration gradually becomes more reflective as the thread goes on.
First off, were we really that bad yesterday? From the sounds of the stats and various reports, we weren't brilliant, but weren't as terrible as some people make out, with good possession and attempts, It sounds as though we should have scored a few, and they scored with their only shot on target because of a mistake. So we lost 1 - 0. Should we really be looking to rip the team, system or manager up yet again? If we'd have slotted one of our chances in yesterday and not made the mistake for their goal, would we now be looking at that game with a much different perspective and see a team that is starting to work together and have potential?
What we're trying to achieve at the moment is somewhat akin to trying to change the wheels on a car... whilst still driving... on a very busy road. It can be done, but it's bloody difficult. All of the changes in the summer, and then the 9 out/9 in, in January have been massively disruptive, and alas it is going to take time.
Someone at the start of the thread said that some seem to value stability over everything else, performances, results etc, yet to me that completely misses the point, the point being that stability is required to bring performances and results in a consistent manner. Stability doesn't guarantee consistent performances and results, but you're unlikely to achieve them without it.
I think someone else mentioned that under RDM we were generally playing better football, which i agree with in the main, but then went on to say that if we're going to keep Bruce we might as well have kept RDM. I'm not sure that's a valid reason for getting rid of Bruce yet, but i do think that we'd be near the top of the table now had RDM still been here and had the time to iron out the flaws in the team. I think we've got to give Bruce that time.
It is pretty hard though when we keep seeing defeats and have moved from being in sight of potential play off places, to now being closer to the relegation zone.
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Can we just fast forward to May now? The rest of this season is going to be depressing, starting Tuesday night. After that today the crowd on Tuesday will be very very low against lesser opposition and being on Valentines Day.
Alternatively, for a relationship on its last legs, a trip to Villa Park on a grim Tuesday night might just convince her to sling her hook.
Free one for the marketing department there.
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Can we just fast forward to May now? The rest of this season is going to be depressing, starting Tuesday night. After that today the crowd on Tuesday will be very very low against lesser opposition and being on Valentines Day.
Alternatively, for a relationship on its last legs, a trip to Villa Park on a grim Tuesday night might just convince her to sling her hook.
Free one for the marketing department there.
Get dumped by the Tykes and your partner might take a hike.
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Didn't think we deserved to lose, same as against Forest but we did.
I'll save my rage for games where I think we did deserve to lose.
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Can we just fast forward to May now? The rest of this season is going to be depressing, starting Tuesday night. After that today the crowd on Tuesday will be very very low against lesser opposition and being on Valentines Day.
Alternatively, for a relationship on its last legs, a trip to Villa Park on a grim Tuesday night might just convince her to sling her hook.
Free one for the marketing department there.
Get dumped by the Tykes and your partner might take a hike.
Tyke your things and go.
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Didn't see the game yesterday, and only just reading about it today. It's interesting reading through the thread though and seeing how the initial knee jerk anger and frustration gradually becomes more reflective as the thread goes on.
First off, were we really that bad yesterday? From the sounds of the stats and various reports, we weren't brilliant, but weren't as terrible as some people make out, with good possession and attempts, It sounds as though we should have scored a few, and they scored with their only shot on target because of a mistake. So we lost 1 - 0. Should we really be looking to rip the team, system or manager up yet again? If we'd have slotted one of our chances in yesterday and not made the mistake for their goal, would we now be looking at that game with a much different perspective and see a team that is starting to work together and have potential?
What we're trying to achieve at the moment is somewhat akin to trying to change the wheels on a car... whilst still driving... on a very busy road. It can be done, but it's bloody difficult. All of the changes in the summer, and then the 9 out/9 in, in January have been massively disruptive, and alas it is going to take time.
Someone at the start of the thread said that some seem to value stability over everything else, performances, results etc, yet to me that completely misses the point, the point being that stability is required to bring performances and results in a consistent manner. Stability doesn't guarantee consistent performances and results, but you're unlikely to achieve them without it.
I think someone else mentioned that under RDM we were generally playing better football, which i agree with in the main, but then went on to say that if we're going to keep Bruce we might as well have kept RDM. I'm not sure that's a valid reason for getting rid of Bruce yet, but i do think that we'd be near the top of the table now had RDM still been here and had the time to iron out the flaws in the team. I think we've got to give Bruce that time.
It is pretty hard though when we keep seeing defeats and have moved from being in sight of potential play off places, to now being closer to the relegation zone.
I'm with you Dribbler
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The football under RDM was woeful at the end.
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Didn't see the game yesterday, and only just reading about it today. It's interesting reading through the thread though and seeing how the initial knee jerk anger and frustration gradually becomes more reflective as the thread goes on.
First off, were we really that bad yesterday? From the sounds of the stats and various reports, we weren't brilliant, but weren't as terrible as some people make out, with good possession and attempts, It sounds as though we should have scored a few, and they scored with their only shot on target because of a mistake. So we lost 1 - 0. Should we really be looking to rip the team, system or manager up yet again? If we'd have slotted one of our chances in yesterday and not made the mistake for their goal, would we now be looking at that game with a much different perspective and see a team that is starting to work together and have potential?
What we're trying to achieve at the moment is somewhat akin to trying to change the wheels on a car... whilst still driving... on a very busy road. It can be done, but it's bloody difficult. All of the changes in the summer, and then the 9 out/9 in, in January have been massively disruptive, and alas it is going to take time.
Someone at the start of the thread said that some seem to value stability over everything else, performances, results etc, yet to me that completely misses the point, the point being that stability is required to bring performances and results in a consistent manner. Stability doesn't guarantee consistent performances and results, but you're unlikely to achieve them without it.
I think someone else mentioned that under RDM we were generally playing better football, which i agree with in the main, but then went on to say that if we're going to keep Bruce we might as well have kept RDM. I'm not sure that's a valid reason for getting rid of Bruce yet, but i do think that we'd be near the top of the table now had RDM still been here and had the time to iron out the flaws in the team. I think we've got to give Bruce that time.
It is pretty hard though when we keep seeing defeats and have moved from being in sight of potential play off places, to now being closer to the relegation zone.
I'm with you Dribbler
The bold bit is just silly. bouncing around between managers isn't ideal but neither is sticking with a manager who is making a pigs ear of things. I also think people have a habit of saying stability when they should be saying consistency. Once you change that word it becomes fairly clear that being consistently poor doesn't help anyone. Part of the reason for the lack of stability at the club is that the managers haven't been able to settle on a consistent style or shape to the side. The inconsistency between who we signed and how we're now playing is why people are so confused by the 532. People keep saying the team needs to gel because there's no consistency to selection or style so the players look lost. Even the way we appoint managers has been painfully inconsistent. The stability you all value so highly needs to come from the board and needs to be based on the idea that 'the villa way' isn't down to who the manager is or who our best players are, it's something we do all through the club and it defines what type of staff and players we appoint.
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Exactly Paul, it's why Lerner made such a mess of things. From Houllier to Lambert, then Sherwood and Garde, it was crazily inconsistent.
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Exactly Paul, it's why Lerner made such a mess of things. From Houllier to Lambert, then Sherwood and Garde, it was crazily inconsistent.
Yep, all the talk of him withdrawing funds, etc takes away from the real mistake he made which was to have no knowledge of the game himself and to fail to add someone to bring and knowledge and create a 'vision' for him. If the board don't know what they want or have any idea how to get there then you're never going to have any stability at the club. We have Wyness and Round now, between them they need to work out the short, mid and long term goals and start straightening Bruce out in line with those.
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Thought we played reasonably well first half with a number of chances and half chances. 352 works well in this league but you need to play attacking wingbacks. Amavi & Adomah should have started. If you play full backs you end up defending as 5 with no support for midfield. Would like to see this on Tuesday but with those two starting instead of Taylor (woeful debut) and Hutton (who tries). But away from home revert to a flat back 4 and play on the counter.
Stick with Bruce because we need stability now more than ever and another change of manager will make things worse.
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Well you can't say that with total conviction, it could result in things getting better . What strikes me though is the consistency of the top six- by and large it hasn't really changed since the first few games and as far as I am aware none of them have changed managers other than our neighbours who started well, appointed Zola and morphed into shite
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I can't see us winning the league this season.
Thank you Legion for bringing a smile to my face on this Monday afternoon. :)
Us Villans always have had the ability to face up to reality !
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I can't see us winning the league this season.
Thank you Legion for bringing a smile to my face on this Monday afternoon. :)
Us Villans always have had the ability to face up to reality !
it is still mathematically possible though !!
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I can't see us winning the league this season.
Thank you Legion for bringing a smile to my face on this Monday afternoon. :)
Us Villans always have had the ability to face up to reality !
it is still mathematically possible though !!
Unfortunately our team isn't very good at maths
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I can't see us winning the league this season.
Thank you Legion for bringing a smile to my face on this Monday afternoon. :)
Us Villans always have had the ability to face up to reality !
it is still mathematically possible though !!
Unfortunately our team isn't very good at maths
That's unfair, Gabby is at one with Pi. Richards is good at creating divisions too.
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After Steve Bruce's decent start, the new year's performances don't "add up" to me.
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After Steve Bruce's decent start, the new year's performances don't "add up" to me.
I think the good pre xmas run lulled SB into thinking he had enough to cope once Kodjia went to AFNC. It wasn't and we've lost a lot of momentum since.
Bad managerial error from someone so experienced.
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After Steve Bruce's decent start, the new year's performances don't "add up" to me.
Bad times indeed
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After Steve Bruce's decent start, the new year's performances don't "add up" to me.
I think the good pre xmas run lulled SB into thinking he had enough to cope once Kodjia went to AFNC. It wasn't and we've lost a lot of momentum since.
Bad managerial error from someone so experienced.
I personally think he knew precisely what he had pre- AFCON......almost zilch and a transfer window coming along.
But as the manager, he had to keep his thoughts to himself and pronounce big that he had faith in Agbonlahor et al even though he only had Davis to turn to. He knew by then that McCormack was a lost case.
I think it was all a matter of having to play through and hope for a little miracle or two - which didn't come along.
He's not daft, he's been there before. He knows which players are a waste of space, but they were all he had.
And the Ipswich match hasn't changed his thoughts that this squad is the one he will work hard with.
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I just remembered that during the second half we one a free kick near the Holte and Bjarni had a look at it, a handful in the Holte started to do that Icelandic clap thing, it's one thing being at the arse end of the Championship but quite another to start this nonsense. Thankfully it didn't catch on. Zero tolerance please.
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When you can't even persuade yourself to buy a ticket from Seatwave for £12 to go and watch the club you love.
That's where we're at.
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I can't see us winning the league this season.
Thank you Legion for bringing a smile to my face on this Monday afternoon. :)
Us Villans always have had the ability to face up to reality !
it is still mathematically possible though !!
Unfortunately our team isn't very good at maths
Or football.
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When you can't even persuade yourself to buy a ticket from Seatwave for £12 to go and watch the club you love.
That's where we're at.
I know where your coming from, I'm not going tonight, i just don't see any encouragement on the pitch. Lansbury is a good addition, cant comment on Hogan because he's having to scrap around and surely that's not what he was bought for. i left Saturday with 65 minutes played as i couldn't see any system in our play, and although Ipswich were poor, i thought the obvious would happen, we need a player to actually stand up and Captain the team. out of what we've got, i don't see one!