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Title: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2017, 10:39:07 PM
http://thebirminghampress.com/2017/01/breaking-the-transfer-window/
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2017, 10:46:37 PM
Frightening.
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2017, 10:51:58 PM
Excellent piece Dave. Nail on head. So very frustrating.
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 31, 2017, 11:02:56 PM
Scary. But true. I have no idea where we go from here. We simply do not seem capable as an institution of pulling out of the dive.
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2017, 11:17:54 PM
On the button. Forest comparison b!oody terrifying.
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: Chris Smith on January 31, 2017, 11:28:21 PM
You sum it up well, Dave and the thread title reflects just how I feel. I had high hopes after the recent activity in the transfer market and although some allowance can be made due to their unfamiliarity with each other in midfield none should be offered for their seeming naivety.

As if it were needed this was the final confirmation that we aren't getting out of this division this season.
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2017, 11:29:26 PM
You sum it up well, Dave and the thread title reflects just how I feel. I had high hopes after the recent activity in the transfer market and although some allowance can be made due to their unfamiliarity with each other in midfield none should be offered for their seeming naivety.

As if it were needed this was the final confirmation that we aren't getting out of this division this season.

At least not in the direction most of us would hope.
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: Rigadon on January 31, 2017, 11:34:16 PM
Ah well. Massively annoying as it is, it's only football.
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: Villafirst on February 01, 2017, 12:14:05 AM
The club needs a period of stability and not wholesale changes every six months. The ability is there.....what happened to the team that battered Brighton in that second-half only a couple of months ago?
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: paul_e on February 01, 2017, 01:18:59 AM
The club needs a period of stability and not wholesale changes every six months. The ability is there.....what happened to the team that battered Brighton in that second-half only a couple of months ago?

I absolutely agree, that's why I thought the idea of using Bruce to get promoted and then replacing him with someone to push us on was fanciful, we should be defining a club style and working towards that rather than ripping everything down every time the latest manager fails.

If we accept that the playoffs are gone for this year I'd give him 2 months to show he can form a team and if it's still not happening I then don't know how he could continue.
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2017, 02:51:05 AM
The club needs a period of stability and not wholesale changes every six months. The ability is there.....what happened to the team that battered Brighton in that second-half only a couple of months ago?

We've got the stability, unfortunately it's the wrong type of stability.
Possibly the most depressing post from Dave to date. Something has to change.
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: ROBBO on February 01, 2017, 02:53:26 AM
I still support Bruce.....for now but he needs to get this team sorted in weeks not months, what i don't like is that we seem to be slower and not as fit as our opponents week after week, when we close down we do it at snails pace, there is no pressure applied. The way he kept the original 11 when it was obvious changes were needed was very worrying.
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on February 01, 2017, 04:40:32 AM
Been saying it for months - Every team we play against pass the ball better than we do .

It's basics - fucking clueless
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: brian green on February 01, 2017, 05:41:32 AM
Very insightful and thought provoking as always.

The two dominant thoughts this piece provokes in me are firstly the endlessly recurring periods in our games that are completely devoid of any kind of leadership.  We can field half a team of captains of previous clubs but still are incapable of inter player communication.  The most basic form of panic is allowed to run amok through our team, regardless of the personnel.  They need to be told by somebody, and they need to be told that they must obey, not to resort to leathering the ball aimlessly upfield.  They need to be told to mark tighter and to press harder.  They need a leader, at least one strong, indomitable man out there.  Chester was captain at Brentford and he was our worst player.
The second thought DW's summary provokes in me is who judges the judges?  Who at VP actually decides whose job it is to evaluate the players we recruit and play?  It can't be Bruce, the work has to be delegated.  That being the case why do we have so many players coming into the team who are ill prepared or under prepared both mentally and physically to give anywhere remotely near performances expected of them? Who assessed Elphick or McCormack or Adomah and now Bjarnason and Lansbury and Hourihane?  Why has the last six years been swamped with demands for more time.  More time for managers, more time for players, more time for this ephemeral process of gelling that never happens.  We wait for the gelling process to manifest itself while our players don't even talk to each other on the field.

This is the last chance saloon.  It is either Bruce or the abyss.  The abyss this morning looks the more attractive.
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: robbo1874 on February 01, 2017, 06:04:29 AM
I reckon next 4 or 5 games will give a fair indication of the direction we're heading. Hopefully it will be stability and then pushing up the table.

The amount of business we've done in this window leads me to think that we've started planning now for another season in the championship. I think they expect to still be in this league next season and scraping up through the playoffs as a nice bonus if it happens.

It should mean we have a largely settled squad and system by the end of the season and we'll only need to do minimal business in the summer. Hopefully we can then focus on a decent pre-season and come out of the traps next season like the barcodes did this season.
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: Malandro on February 01, 2017, 06:08:43 AM
Aston kick in the guts Villa
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: brian green on February 01, 2017, 06:14:39 AM
So much for my theory that Westwood was a Jonah.  It must be me.
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: Malandro on February 01, 2017, 06:27:42 AM
So much for my theory that Westwood was a Jonah.  It must be me.

I'm having a bonfire today, I'm going to fabricate a Randy Lerner effigy (with bright future scarf) Upload pictures later.

Dependent on wind direction, of course.

Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: brian green on February 01, 2017, 06:47:26 AM
I planned to watch Master and Commander on Film 4 tonight just to see the scene when the ship's jinx jumps overboard and say "Bye Ashley" but I can't because it wornt Ashley last night.  It was all the others.
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: AGRIPPA on February 01, 2017, 08:24:36 AM
Can't say I agree with the comment about hourihane playing well in the first 15 mins..... he was totally anonymous
Title: Re: More Press-ed off than ever before
Post by: frank on February 01, 2017, 10:36:57 AM
A  depressing read, Dave. The comparison with Forest is appropriate apart from the fact that we now seem to have an owner who is willing and able to support the manager(s) financially. Like you, I wonder how long it'll be before his patience runs out.
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