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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on December 26, 2016, 04:56:14 PM
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Winning is getting old hat
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Never in doubt.
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Played shite and won.
Sign of a good team that.
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Above Norwich and SHA 😁
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Marvellous. Merry Xmas boys and girls!
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Didn't sound great, but another win which is really important. We need to start playing well as well.
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Apparently the first time in over 20 years we've won 5 in a row at home.
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Winning without a midfield, good manager Bruce
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What was their chance at the end- free kick or penalty?
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My winning record streak on match threads lives on!!
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What was their chance at the end- free kick or penalty?
Free kick stupidly given away by Ayew.
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Even ugly wins are worth 3 points.
We go again.
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Ugly fuckers fucked.
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We're so awful we're good.
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What was their chance at the end- free kick or penalty?
Free kick stupidly given away by Ayew.
thanks. Sounds like we made hard work of it again, but just had enough to shade it.
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Correct the spelling of thread in the title Mr Shin
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Up to 10th right now.
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41,337 incredible.
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I don't care how the points come as long as they do (mind you I don't have to watch it that often!).
Any criticism from me of Bruce, his tactics and the way we play can wait until he starts bringing his own players in and can play them in a way he wants them to play.
Oh, and can I yet again congratulate Russon for an excellent couple of hours of outstanding music on Mearns FM.
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Good win. Had a nagging feeling we'd make a meal of it. The pre match predictions were too positive!
I've been saying for sometime that we need to get to January and buy some midfielders. That we're staying within striking distance of the play offs is a credit to Bruce.
There's much to work on, no doubt, but 7 win in 12 games is a brilliant return.
Villa Park is an actual fortress too for the first time in 15 years.
Beat Leeds by any means necessary and into January we go.
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Played shite and won.
Sign of a good team that.
This is the only positive I can take after watching that.
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Before the game I was having a couple of hours feeling very depressed (I don't know why). Villa proceeded to do everything to keep me feeling that way. And then we won. WTF?
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Fortunately it's the only positive that ultimately matters. This is a results business.
No more would have, could have, should have, it's come to the Villa and you will see... us actual beat the shite we're playing. No fooling.
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3?points off 6th but 7 points off 5th after the run we've had.
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41,337 incredible.
Where were you when we were shit?
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3?points off 6th but 7 points off 5th after the run we've had.
With no real midfield and giving everyone else an 11 game start it's pretty impressive we're were we are.
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Another consecutive home win, happy days!
Kodjia needs to work on his aerial prowess, thought he was very poor today.
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Surreal, 41,000 against Burton in the second tier, I thought we were fucking awful throughout but grinded the result out again.
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That was dreadful. Leeds will beat us fairly comfortably.
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Five, I said five home wins on the trot, I said FIVE !
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Justin watched the highlights
Hutton back to his normal self I see
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6 of our 8 wins have come against the bottom 6 teams
Sounded nasty today but a win is a win I guess
There was very little in the game v Leeds at Elland Road, a real drudge fest but who to partner with Jedinak?
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Whimper as some might about Bruce's team, we're 3 points off the playoffs and 14 off relegation. Compare and contrast to when he took over someone else's team.
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http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10708549/aston-villa-2-1-burton
Highlights and such
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Positives: Happy with 3 points, pleased that Bruce finally realize that Bacuna has value. VP sold out ! Westwood only allowed on the grass during warmup and halftime! RMC finally scored!
Negatives: Outplayed by Burton! at VP. 6-11 attempts. 44-56 Possession.
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We seemed to have mastered playing really badly but still winning.
Earlier on in the season we were playing quite well but not winning.
I'll take the former over the latter for now.
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Good win. Had a nagging feeling we'd make a meal of it. The pre match predictions were too positive!
I've been saying for sometime that we need to get to January and buy some midfielders. That we're staying within striking distance of the play offs is a credit to Bruce.
There's much to work on, no doubt, but 7 win in 12 games is a brilliant return.
Villa Park is an actual fortress too for the first time in 15 years.
Beat Leeds by any means necessary and into January we go.
Yeah I agree winning so many games at home is a real treat. We need to start playing better, but winning games allows time to develop.
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It's ugly but it's effective. I'm loving it.
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Happy with the three points I really like this winning feeling.
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Hutton was garbage...why oh why do we still start him?
Grealish should've started. No one played well today.
Burton played well.
Good performance from a village team.
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We seemed to have mastered playing really badly but still winning.
Earlier on in the season we were playing quite well but not winning.
I'll take the former over the latter for now.
Yep and that's it. You can develop to playing well if you're winning.
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Struggling to beat the likes of Burton at home is not good.
It's all well and good playing poorly and scraping a win every now and again, but this is becoming the norm.
I wish we could win a game or two convincingly.
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We're in a rut with our fluency and have been for five games now. We've taken 9 points from these games where we've been shit.
Clueless Bruce, clueless.
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Struggling to beat the likes of Burton at home is not good.
It's all well and good playing poorly and scraping a win every now and again, but this is becoming the norm.
I wish we could win a game or two convincingly.
Scraping a win every now and then is a bit harsh.
We've won six of our last ten games, lost only four of our last twenty, won our last five home games and haven't lost a single match at home this season.
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Hopefully McCormack will go on a scoring frenzy from now until May.
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Struggling to beat the likes of Burton at home is not good.
It's all well and good playing poorly and scraping a win every now and again, but this is becoming the norm.
I wish we could win a game or two convincingly.
Scraping a win every now and then is a bit harsh.
We've won six of our last ten games, lost only four of our last twenty, won our last five home games and haven't lost a single match at home this season.
Makes a change reading stats like that compared to 4 in 51 or working out how many thousands of miles had been travelled since our last win.
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Justin watched the highlights
Hutton back to his normal self I see
Do you trust Justin's opinion?
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We seemed to have mastered playing really badly but still winning.
Earlier on in the season we were playing quite well but not winning.
I'll take the former over the latter for now.
We all would but these performances are only scraping us wins against the worst sides in the division. It doesn't seem sustainable to me without significant surgery in terms of personnel and tactics. Bruce has complained about the lack of balance in the squad and he does have a point particularly in midfield. However it really does seem a lucky dip selection as to the front 4 with little or no cohesion between whatever 4 are on the pitch at any one time. Bruce has been at the club long enough to at least improve that.
From viewing the highlights, there appeared to be a number of chances squandered at both ends today. That really shouldn't be happening v Burton although fair play to Jamie Ward for a cracking goal. Fine goal from Bacuna too, one of our best this season from a much maligned player.
Bruce may be tempted to see if that goal kick-starts some form from McCormack and play him again v Leeds. I'd be tempted to rest him until Cardiff.
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Struggling to beat the likes of Burton at home is not good.
It's all well and good playing poorly and scraping a win every now and again, but this is becoming the norm.
I wish we could win a game or two convincingly.
Agree and look what happens when we play badly against half decent teams like Norwich and Leeds.
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I can't be a villa fan, I'm not as miserable as you lot.
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Struggling to beat the likes of Burton at home is not good.
It's all well and good playing poorly and scraping a win every now and again, but this is becoming the norm.
I wish we could win a game or two convincingly.
Agree and look what happens when we play badly against half decent teams like Norwich and Leeds.
Or alternatively, just focus on the three points and enjoy the rest of Christmas?
The transfer window opens next week. I'm quite happy to be within reach of the play offs by the time we get there.
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Justin watched the highlights
Hutton back to his normal self I see
Do you trust Justin's opinion?
titter
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Struggling to beat the likes of Burton at home is not good.
It's all well and good playing poorly and scraping a win every now and again, but this is becoming the norm.
I wish we could win a game or two convincingly.
Agree and look what happens when we play badly against half decent teams like Norwich and Leeds.
Or alternatively, just focus on the three points and enjoy the rest of Christmas?
The transfer window opens next week. I'm quite happy to be within reach of the play offs by the time we get there.
You are right, and a happy new year.
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Their goal was outstanding technique.
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After years of shit and us rightly moaning about rarely winning, we've won 7 of the last 11, won 5 in a row at home for the time in over 20 years and it's still not good enough. To put it into context, only once in the last 5 seasons have we won more home games in a season than Bruce has won in his first 6. Beat Leeds and we match that season as well after 7 Bruce home games.
Personally, while i'd like us to be playing better, i'm loving us winning more often than not after us being shite for so long.
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That was dreadful. Leeds will beat us fairly comfortably.
No chance. Villa will play better on Thursday. We were terrible today. The ball retention and passing throughout was awful. Kodjia was poor.
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It was nice to see Ross actually used properly in the second half and I was really happy for him to get the winner. I felt first half was a microcosm of how we've not used him right all year - playing as a central striker in a rigid, long-ball 4-4-2 - that's why I think a lot (not all) of the criticism he gets is unfair. He's got bags of talent, great vision and a good brain - that ball he brought down out the sky in the first half was testament to that. But like many of those types of players who have come before him (Gil being the most recent example) we haven't really known where to put him and how to get the best out of him - it was clear as soon as Grealish came on and he was moved out of the centre to a bit more space on the left inside channel they started to combine really well, and cut through their defence (in a way that not many can in this league). First time they did led to Kodj's disallowed goal - he also released Bacuna for the first goal, too.
He grew in confidence and had a pretty good second half, and his goal was a fitting reward. Yes he won't chase down every lost cause and he's not a physical presence, but I'd like to see him be allowed to combine more with Grealish and let them both release the pace and physicality of Kodjia/Albert/Ayew. May have to do more when some of those go to the AFCON too.
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I know we've not been great for a number of games under Bruce, but we've been shit for years and years. He can't change it in 11 games. Let him bring in 2/3/4 new players and see what's happening mid-March/April (and that doesn't mean sack him if we're doing shit). It's easy to forget we've had shit players for a long time.
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That was dire, outplayed by Burton Albion at home, who showed pride and passion in their play, total opposite to us, still we won and got three points!
Can't wait till January when we can get a couple of mobile midfielders who can actually show some dynamism and pass a ball (preferably to one of our players)!
One of the worse games I have seen from Amavi but quite a few weren't far behind him! Grealish definitely made the difference when he came on.
Not looking forward to the Leeds game!
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After years of shit and us rightly moaning about rarely winning, we've won 7 of the last 11, won 5 in a row at home for the time in over 20 years and it's still not good enough. To put it into context, only once in the last 5 seasons have we won more home games in a season than Bruce has won in his first 6. Beat Leeds and we match that season as well after 7 Bruce home games.
Personally, while i'd like us to be playing better, i'm loving us winning more often than not after us being shite for so long.
We're playing at a lower level now though so it's not a like for like comparison and we're unconvincing in most of our wins. People "moaning" have a point.
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Burton weren't anything like as bad as I expected them to be.
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When are we actually going to start playing well? Can't keep grinding out these wins playing poorly, it will end eventually.
Have to say aswell the extra 10,000 added nothing to the atmosphere which was flatter than a witch's tit. It will have to be a lot better against Leeds or their fans will take the piss for 90 minutes.
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We're in a rut with our fluency and have been for five games now. We've taken 9 points from these games where we've been shit.
Clueless Bruce, clueless.
If we have to stay down this year....we will walk the league next year with what's likely to come down from the prem.
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Their goal was outstanding technique.
Ward's from Hodge Hill. A good friend's Dad used to coach him and Ikeme I think for a Chemsley Wood youth team in the 90s.
Good player at this level.
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Their goal was outstanding technique.
Yes it was but awful defending from Hutton.
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Their goal was outstanding technique.
Yes it was but awful defending from Hutton.
That has to be the first time I have read that about Hutton...
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After years of shit and us rightly moaning about rarely winning, we've won 7 of the last 11, won 5 in a row at home for the time in over 20 years and it's still not good enough. To put it into context, only once in the last 5 seasons have we won more home games in a season than Bruce has won in his first 6. Beat Leeds and we match that season as well after 7 Bruce home games.
Personally, while i'd like us to be playing better, i'm loving us winning more often than not after us being shite for so long.
We're playing at a lower level now though so it's not a like for like comparison and we're unconvincing in most of our wins. People "moaning" have a point.
We were even more unconvincing for the first 11 games at this lower level when we went game after game without a win. If people don't want to enjoy winning most games after 5+ years of utter shit then that's up to them but I find it weird.
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Bruce is drossing his way to play off's. Yes the football is awful but it's a wonderful feeling to come away from your seat with 3 points in the bag.
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When are we actually going to start playing well? Can't keep grinding out these wins playing poorly, it will end eventually.
Have to say aswell the extra 10,000 added nothing to the atmosphere which was flatter than a witch's tit. It will have to be a lot better against Leeds or their fans will take the piss for 90 minutes.
Did you go? The team did nothing to lift the fans and atmosphere.
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Their goal was outstanding technique.
Yes it was but awful defending from Hutton.
That has to be the first time I have read that about Hutton...
Yes I know it's unusual rare occurrence for a defender who always sticks to the nearest attacker like a limpet ....
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Not bothered by performance, it's all about the result. Obviously something more pleasing on the eye would be welcome from time to time but if i was sitting here now thinking 'well we played really well today, how did we not win?' i'd be a damn sight more fucked off than I currently am
This team will be playing poor until we get a midfield and a right back. Simple as that
Bruce is working borderline miracles at the moment for me
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When are we actually going to start playing well? Can't keep grinding out these wins playing poorly, it will end eventually.
Have to say aswell the extra 10,000 added nothing to the atmosphere which was flatter than a witch's tit. It will have to be a lot better against Leeds or their fans will take the piss for 90 minutes.
I am really worried about that now that you have told us. I will not turn up on Thursday and hide under a duvet. What can be worse than a team that regularly rolls in about 23K at home taking the piss out of us at VP?.
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Burton weren't anything like as bad as I expected them to be.
You are Darren Woolley and I claim my prize :)
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Their goal was outstanding technique.
Ward's from Hodge Hill. A good friend's Dad used to coach him and Ikeme I think for a Chemsley Wood youth team in the 90s.
Good player at this level.
You sure it's not Kingshurst? Everyone his age I know from there reckon he's a Kingshurst boy.
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Hopefully away teams will stop with this bullshit of winning the toss and switching ends. We'll f*ck you over whichever way you wanna play, so take your second half beating in front of the Holte like good little boys.
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Ward was in our youth team back in the early 2000s.
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We seemed to have mastered playing really badly but still winning.
Earlier on in the season we were playing quite well but not winning.
I'll take the former over the latter for now.
Yep and that's it. You can develop to playing well if you're winning.
Maybe. Not many signs of it so far though. I used to think that under Gregory and O'Neill. But the performances didn't improve and our luck started to run out
Need a good performance v leeds
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When are we actually going to start playing well? Can't keep grinding out these wins playing poorly, it will end eventually.
Have to say aswell the extra 10,000 added nothing to the atmosphere which was flatter than a witch's tit. It will have to be a lot better against Leeds or their fans will take the piss for 90 minutes.
I am really worried about that now that you have told us. I will not turn up on Thursday and hide under a duvet. What can be worse than a team that regularly rolls in about 23K at home taking the piss out of us at VP?.
God, I can't think of anything worse than Leeds fans taking the piss.
How utterly, utterly awful!
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Another valuable 3 points but fuck me we dont make it easy, fair play to bunn for that save at the death
The transfer window cant come soon enough with two cm's at the top of the list
our lack of ball retention is a major worry along with a poor shape which hopefully bruce has got a plan for
dirty leeds will be a good test
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Bruce post-match interview https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/1395586463818752/
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3 points but that was awful. ..look at us and our resources against Burton Albino. ...Burton ffs....how low have we sunk. A home win in the cup against Barton Arms reserves would be a good result !!!!!
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Ward was in our youth team back in the early 2000s.
Every single one of them?
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Is Grealish from the bench a deliberate tactic, or does he not yet trust him?
I actually think the move is probably part of the reason we are not getting beaten and equally why we rarely play well.
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Baker MOM for me today, immense!
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Well done Bacuna, good run and good play generally for his goal. I hope he can cement that midfield place, I think he's easily one of our better midfielders. I know, I know - damned with faint praise.
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To be fair to Bruce this is Bruce doing what Bruce does well. He gets results, especially in this division, but he's never going to have a stylish side in any way, shape or form. You can't argue with his record thus far. What we do need is more control over midfield, which will come with signing sufficient quality. What he really needs is a Huddles-Tonne or a Snodgrass. That bit of quality and consistency in midfield that helps you get a grip and dictate games. Jedinak does his remit well, but we're really devoid of quality in the middle otherwise.
I have to say I've been very pleased with Adomah. What's his assist record now? Must be 1 in 2. He's done well. He works hard too.
A goal will do McCormack good too. He wasn't good by any stretch, but if he nets a couple of goals before Kodjia temporarily departs, it'll be a great help for when he has to lead the line.
It weren't pretty but I'll take that. It will get better but lets not silly with playing expectations in this league. Reading fans call themselves Berkshire-Lona. Lets not get that fucking daft folks. We're going to grind wins. We just now need to dominate more, but the sort of football that will have you stretching the limits of your underwears crotchal elasticity is a long, long frigging way off. That's for the stage of evolution after Bruce, when we're back in the league and have consolidated our place. But lets let him lay the foundations first.
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We seemed to have mastered playing really badly but still winning.
Earlier on in the season we were playing quite well but not winning.
I'll take the former over the latter for now.
Aye. I will take that. Winners know they are better and just find a way to win against teams they should beat even when they are outplayed. Particularly at home.
I still bear the wounds of being on the receiving end of that from Bruce's old boss. I prefer being on this side of the equation.
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Their goal was outstanding technique.
Ward's from Hodge Hill. A good friend's Dad used to coach him and Ikeme I think for a Chemsley Wood youth team in the 90s.
Good player at this level.
You sure it's not Kingshurst? Everyone his age I know from there reckon he's a Kingshurst boy.
Could be...he certainly is from one of those East Birmingham s***holes anyway. ;)
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Can't we be happy with a result? I love winning personally. This could go on till the end of time as far as I'm concerned. Let Burton take the moral Mowbery victory. They can think long and hard about a plucky defeat at Villa Park when they're back in the 3rd division.
It's results that matter. It was the same the last time we used to win a few under O'Neill, who left in 2010, so you'd think people would just be grateful but apparently not. He'll get criticism when he doesn't deliver results and rightly so. Much like O'Neill who struggled to get us winning enough at home.
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Really pleased with the win.
Overall thought a draw would have been fair, we were poor and two bits of talent did the damage for us. Two great crosses from Adomah and Ayew, especially the first from Bert.
Kodj and RMC were poor. Especially RMC (sounds strange having scored the winning goal) I watched him closely and his lack of movement and effort at certain times were staggering.
Baker and Chester were excellent again. An ugly win is an ugly win. I'll take another 20 ugly wins!
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It was nice to see Ross actually used properly in the second half and I was really happy for him to get the winner. I felt first half was a microcosm of how we've not used him right all year - playing as a central striker in a rigid, long-ball 4-4-2 - that's why I think a lot (not all) of the criticism he gets is unfair. He's got bags of talent, great vision and a good brain - that ball he brought down out the sky in the first half was testament to that. But like many of those types of players who have come before him (Gil being the most recent example) we haven't really known where to put him and how to get the best out of him - it was clear as soon as Grealish came on and he was moved out of the centre to a bit more space on the left inside channel they started to combine really well, and cut through their defence (in a way that not many can in this league). First time they did led to Kodj's disallowed goal - he also released Bacuna for the first goal, too.
He grew in confidence and had a pretty good second half, and his goal was a fitting reward. Yes he won't chase down every lost cause and he's not a physical presence, but I'd like to see him be allowed to combine more with Grealish and let them both release the pace and physicality of Kodjia/Albert/Ayew. May have to do more when some of those go to the AFCON too.
good analysis- RMc and Jack were a good combo even when diM was in charge. Get a decent MF in place and they will flourish together.
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Leeds United went through the late sixties and early seventies winning ugly. I never heard many of their fans complaining too much, and I knew a fair few of them back then. Proper Yorkies btw.
I'll take a few years of that if it establishes us as a top team again.
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Always a buzz to be getting late winners rather than conceding late, spirit-crushing goals.
It's not very convincing overall though, is it? And whilst I hope that any business we do in January corrects our fairly obvious deficiencies personnel-wise, I have a nagging doubt that this is Steve Bruce, and it's just how it is going to be from now on in.
The arguments often circulating on here under O'Neill were that with more time and more money, our style would evolve. Yet it never really did. We just had players who cost increasingly larger transfer fees implementing the primary tactics of boof ball/get the ball to Ashley Young ASAP.
Harsh to say with certainty that Steve Bruce will definitely go the same route before he has even had a penny to spend, but I don't recall many of his teams that came up against us over the years being particularly easy on the eye. True, the nature of derbies (if we just look at his time at -B-lose) can have a lot to do with that. But his Sunderland, Wigan and Hull sides were never exactly ones to appeal to the neutral either. Even when he was able to afford a better quality of player.
Misgivings about the aesthetic probably needs to be parked for the foreseeable, mind. Promotion is priority 1,2 and 3.
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"We were probably fortunate to win. We had the better chances but we found it a bit of a struggle.
"I do not think anyone who watched the match will think differently. If we are going to go forward our football has got to be better.
More sanity from our manager. I still get the thrill of "manager saw the same game I did" after each game.
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He sounds clueless to me.
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Forgive me but when he joined we were shit and totally unbalanced due to not sorting the midfield out and not winning. Now we are pretty shit, totally unbalanced due to not sorting the midfield out but winning.
Bruce is doing a cracking job with what he inherited. We messed up in the summer, we bought poorly, again, he's papering over the cracks and has us organised and fighting, we are the ones getting the late goals and points now.
He will buy midfielders in January, no doubt about it and we will add drive and energy to what we have now. We've pulled the gap back and we are there where it matters with a chance to right the summer squad wrongs.
Just watch us this time in 2 months, I'm not saying we will become Barca but with a midfield we will start dominating games fully, and continuing to win.
Bruce 24 pts from 12 games is it? Cracking haul.
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Was sat in the middle Trinity with a row of their lads behind me, like being stuck on set for a Shane Meadows film.
Was fine with it for half an hour, then they thoroughly pissed me off until there was about 15 mins left, then I didn't mind again.
I'm glad supporters are generally segregated to be honest.
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Looks like a case of never mind the quality, count the points at the moment. Hopefully if we can sign a midfield and right back, the football can improve without adversely impacting the outcomes. But I'm not sure Bruce is ever going to be a purveyor of stylish football. Still if he gets us back into winning ways and promoted, we can worry about style later.
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Fruity man of the match, some excellent saves.
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Frew T Bunn was excellent. Injury time save was brilliant.
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Was sat in the middle Trinity with a row of their lads behind me, like being stuck on set for a Shane Meadows film.
Was fine with it for half an hour, then they thoroughly pissed me off until there was about 15 mins left, then I didn't mind again.
I'm glad supporters are generally segregated to be honest.
They could have gone in their own end a few empty rows in the upper tier
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Nice goal by their player but he was a nasty niggly little bastard. When he went in the book it was long overdue. I loved the way he went off high-diving everyone on the away bench just before we scored the winner.
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Was sat in the middle Trinity with a row of their lads behind me, like being stuck on set for a Shane Meadows film.
Was fine with it for half an hour, then they thoroughly pissed me off until there was about 15 mins left, then I didn't mind again.
I'm glad supporters are generally segregated to be honest.
They could have gone in their own end a few empty rows in the upper tier
I was close to pointing this out at one point, but they were with a couple of Villa fans to be fair, and I've took fans of the other team in with me before so I'm on shaky ground.
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Really pleased with the win.
Overall thought a draw would have been fair, we were poor and two bits of talent did the damage for us. Two great crosses from Adomah and Ayew, especially the first from Bert.
Kodj and RMC were poor. Especially RMC (sounds strange having scored the winning goal) I watched him closely and his lack of movement and effort at certain times were staggering.
Baker and Chester were excellent again. An ugly win is an ugly win. I'll take another 20 ugly wins!
Agree with this but Kodja worked his bollocks off. McCormack was awful for the first hour or so.
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That was the worst performance I have seen this season but I don't care because we again won a match we should have lost.with a few judicious additions we can make the play off places; it's certainly not pretty to watch at times but you can't argue with the results Bruce has achieved although much more is needed for a positive outcome against Leeds
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"We were probably fortunate to win. We had the better chances but we found it a bit of a struggle.
"I do not think anyone who watched the match will think differently. If we are going to go forward our football has got to be better.
More sanity from our manager. I still get the thrill of "manager saw the same game I did" after each game.
Yep it's clear he knows we need to get better, but a manager acknowledging that and still getting us to win is a big deal.
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How the heart sings!
Took Remy Juniors to a Boxing Day game for the first time in a long time and we come away with a win.
Sir Bruce.
I'm elated with the win. Don't care how. After years and years of shit it's a long climb back to the top.
Points on this match:
41,000 here today - at times it didn't sound like it.
Hutton was shit.
Amavi wasn't his usual self, i.e. Wasn't bombing forward as much even though he had space.
Chester was good.
Baker - Dude! You rock / well done for playing well.
Bunn saved the win at the end.
Jedinak was not quite as imposing as previous matches.
Gardner was his usual limited self. Pleased to read this week he's extended his contract, he won't get us promoted.
Bacuna had his best game for a long while. Well taken goal.
Adomah your going to be missed big time with your assists.
Kodija not your your self today....until after Ross scored.
McCormack was ok, quite deep for a striker.
Grealish, oh blimey within seconds he picks up the ball and floats past players at will, Burton thought oh fuck.
Gabby.
Ayew improved the team.
Must not lose to Leeds.
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That was the worst performance I have seen this season but I don't care because we again won a match we should have lost.with a few judicious additions we can make the play off places; it's certainly not pretty to watch at times but you can't argue with the results Bruce has achieved although much more is needed for a positive outcome against Leeds
Norwich was far worse than today.
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He sounds clueless to me.
He sounds honest but it also sounds like he hasn't got the formula right. He probably wants to play a certain way and doesn't have the midfield for it. We seem to play a game that bypasses the midfield because it is in many ways a liability. So in a way it was good to at least see a midfield get forward and score. But he's missing certain types of players in my opinion for what he wants to achieve.
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How the heart sings!
Took Remy Juniors to a Boxing Day game for the first time in a long time and we come away with a win.
Sir Bruce.
I'm elated with the win. Don't care how. After years and years of shit it's a long climb back to the top.
Points on this match:
41,000 here today - at times it didn't sound like it.
Hutton was shit.
Amavi wasn't his usual self, i.e. Wasn't bombing forward as much even though he had space.
Chester was good.
Baker - Dude! You rock / well done for playing well.
Bunn saved the win at the end.
Jedinak was not quite as imposing as previous matches.
Gardner was his usual limited self. Pleased to read this week he's extended his contract, he won't get us promoted.
Bacuna had his best game for a long while. Well taken goal.
Adomah your going to be missed big time with your assists.
Kodija not your your self today....until after Ross scored.
McCormack was ok, quite deep for a striker.
Grealish, oh blimey within seconds he picks up the ball and floats past players at will, Burton thought oh fuck.
Gabby.
Ayew improved the team.
Must not lose to Leeds.
Don't think we'll be losing Adomah as he hasn't featured for his country for a while.
Under normal circumstances, Ayew (who changed the game when he came on today) would be a big loss. But Bruce has been using him sparingly, so the only major impact on our starting selection will be the absence of Kodjia.
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I was distinctly unimpressed by their tactic of the player about to be substituted feigning injury to get the trainer on and run the clock down then walking off when it was clearly a tactical switch - all designed to slow / stop the game and any flow. Justice done when Ward was high-fiving the bench and we scored a few minutes later.
Was Grealish's effort going in before Kodija touched it from an offside position ? Couldn't see clearly from my seat.
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He sounds clueless to me.
He sounds honest but it also sounds like he hasn't got the formula right. He probably wants to play a certain way and doesn't have the midfield for it. We seem to play a game that bypasses the midfield because it is in many ways a liability. So in a way it was good to at least see a midfield get forward and score. But he's missing certain types of players in my opinion for what he wants to achieve.
I honestly think they've decided we're more of a danger to ourselves with the ball than without it.
It's uber pragmatism and I'm on board. At the moment we remind me a lot of the team that last got promoted.
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I wasn't being serious. Sadly some people are though!
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I love it when a team that's trying to waste time after sixty minutes concedes a late goal and starts getting arsey because the other team runs down the clock.
Though there was something utterly tragic about Gabby picking up the ball just outside his own box and not even getting as far as the halfway line.
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Pleased with that, another ground out win, shows there is spirit in the squad & clever tinkering in January to add some quality to that spirit will see us into play offs.
Bunn - not been a fan but last 2 games he has been excellent.
Hutton - another afternoon of running around contributing nothing at either end of pitch.
Amavi - performance of a player whose head has been turned? Hopefully back to his season standard on Thursday not today's limp display.
Baker - comfortably motm for me, really need a decent left sided cover in Jan as he has become vital.
Chester - mr reliable, as always.
Jedinak - one man midfield for too much of the game, needs quality alongside
Bacuna - gr8 goal, good energy
Gardner - ok without really excelling until hurt
Adomah - always involved but should have created more
McCormack - glad he got that goal, hope he kicks on now, thought he was better today but still not quite found his role.
Kodjia - dire for me, ran a lot, occasionally onside mostly off GRRR!!!. Clearly doesn't like heading the ball as he jumped under virtually every clearance, should have been hooked earlier
Grealish - started really well, faded a bit when moved back into the lightweight 'midfield'
Gabby - only positive was when he bust a gut to get back to cover the always out of position Hutton, that's all I could find
Ayew - picked up the tempo and did v well, stupid last minute foul aside
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Was Grealish's effort going in before Kodija touched it from an offside position ? Couldn't see clearly from my seat.
Watching from upper north with my seat position right inline with centre of the goal I though it was a goal as soon as Jack pushed it and a terrible error by Jon to toe poke it but I guess that's the goal scorer's instinct.
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Don't think it had enough pace to cross the line, think one of the defenders would've cleared it.
They couldn't get near Grealish though, bemused he didn't start.
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Don't think it had enough pace to cross the line, think one of the defenders would've cleared it.
They couldn't get near Grealish though, bemused he didn't start.
Bruce maybe thinks he doesn't have the concentration to stay in the game for ninety minutes. He certainly looked a class apart today, his control of the ball is incredible. And the way he can open up space with a short simple pass
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Was Grealish's effort going in before Kodija touched it from an offside position ? Couldn't see clearly from my seat.
Watching from upper north with my seat position right inline with centre of the goal I though it was a goal as soon as Jack pushed it and a terrible error by Jon to toe poke it but I guess that's the goal scorer's instinct.
Cheers. I must admit I thought it was but hard to judge - all's well that ends well i guess !
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He sounds clueless to me.
He sounds honest but it also sounds like he hasn't got the formula right. He probably wants to play a certain way and doesn't have the midfield for it. We seem to play a game that bypasses the midfield because it is in many ways a liability. So in a way it was good to at least see a midfield get forward and score. But he's missing certain types of players in my opinion for what he wants to achieve.
I honestly think they've decided we're more of a danger to ourselves with the ball than without it.
It's uber pragmatism and I'm on board. At the moment we remind me a lot of the team that last got promoted.
no where near as good when you consider the players we had then, Spinks Gage Mcinally Birch Gray Keown Thompson + Daley Platt Walters coming through.
I would swap that team for this one any day.
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Don't think it had enough pace to cross the line, think one of the defenders would've cleared it.
They couldn't get near Grealish though, bemused he didn't start.
Bruce maybe thinks he doesn't have the concentration to stay in the game for ninety minutes. He certainly looked a class apart today, his control of the ball is incredible. And the way he can open up space with a short simple pass
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he's started most of our home games since SB came in and he's been benched for most of the aways like Ayew.
I just think at home to Burton playing 4-3-3 and those 3 in the middle not being great going forward showed Burton too much respect and probably gave them confidence to push forward and give us a proper game.
Once we got Grealish and Ayew on they couldn't get in our half.
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Don't think it had enough pace to cross the line, think one of the defenders would've cleared it.
They couldn't get near Grealish though, bemused he didn't start.
Bruce maybe thinks he doesn't have the concentration to stay in the game for ninety minutes. He certainly looked a class apart today, his control of the ball is incredible. And the way he can open up space with a short simple pass
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he's started most of our home games since SB came in and he's been benched for most of the aways like Ayew.
I just think at home to Burton playing 4-3-3 and those 3 in the middle not being great going forward showed Burton too much respect and probably gave them confidence to push forward and give us a proper game.
Once we got Grealish and Ayew on they couldn't get in our half.
You're absolutely right of course.
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He sounds clueless to me.
He sounds honest but it also sounds like he hasn't got the formula right. He probably wants to play a certain way and doesn't have the midfield for it. We seem to play a game that bypasses the midfield because it is in many ways a liability. So in a way it was good to at least see a midfield get forward and score. But he's missing certain types of players in my opinion for what he wants to achieve.
I honestly think they've decided we're more of a danger to ourselves with the ball than without it.
It's uber pragmatism and I'm on board. At the moment we remind me a lot of the team that last got promoted.
no where near as good when you consider the players we had then, Spinks Gage Mcinally Birch Gray Keown Thompson + Daley Platt Walters coming through.
I would swap that team for this one any day.
We were not fluid and barely won at home. The point I'm making is we were organised and ground out results.
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no where near as good when you consider the players we had then, Spinks Gage Mcinally Birch Gray Keown Thompson + Daley Platt Walters coming through.
I would swap that team for this one any day.
Worth remembering that McInally was shit that season, Platt wasn't signed until the last couple of months, Walters was gone after less than half the season, Gray and Thompson were signed halfway through the season and Daley only started about 10 games. It's not like we had all those you listed firing on all cylinders for the whole season.
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We were pretty much rubbish throughout but we won. Grealish changed it, the one player who can take the game to the opposition. Special mention for Kodja, really poor today.
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When we get a midfield after 5 years of waiting we will be dangerous.
The difference at home seems to be we can score from chances when opponents can't - if we had found our players with passes like Burton were we would have destroyed them but they couldn't finish.
Agree it was flat today but it always is when we get a lot of big-day fans in - it upsets the careful balance we have built up in the Holte after years of disappointment and dissipates the focus
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We were poor at home in 87/88.
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I love it when a team that's trying to waste time after sixty minutes concedes a late goal and starts getting arsey because the other team runs down the clock.
Though there was something utterly tragic about Gabby picking up the ball just outside his own box and not even getting as far as the halfway line.
The spirit was willing but the flesh was fat.
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Not a great performance but a win is a win. Looked so much better when Grealish and Ayew came on.
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Not a great performance but a win is a win. Looked so much better when Grealish and Ayew came on.
And we and they have been poor often when starting. I think it's been a deliberate strategy in parts to stay tight for an hour and then let the big guns run free for half an hour in the space now available.
It's worked extremely well as an antidote to the early season form.
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When we get a midfield after 5 years of waiting we will be dangerous.
The difference at home seems to be we can score from chances when opponents can't - if we had found our players with passes like Burton were we would have destroyed them but they couldn't finish.
Agree it was flat today but it always is when we get a lot of big-day fans in - it upsets the careful balance we have built up in the Holte after years of disappointment and dissipates the focus
Yes the midfield is always a problem. In January we need a 'string puller' who gathers and sets things going forwards quickly. I couldn't understand Grealish not starting given we were at home and the level of opposition. When he came on it had them on the back foot and I thought McCormack improved as a result. Kodjia didn't have a good day, but bringing Gabby on?...
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Shite performance but still managing to scrape results whilst playing badly is all that matters.
Watched the highlights and thought Kodjia was level for the disallowed goal.
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Chuffed with the win but I tight the performance was very average.
Highlights were Chester and Baker, and Bunn did very well too. Grealish played well in parts, and Ayew had a decent cameo. I thought Hutton was not as poor as many on here, whereas the more skilful Amavi was below par.
I paid more attention to McCormack than usual as I have never worked out his best position. He and Kodjia seem to have no understanding at all, but he combined well with Grealish in the second half. That made me think of my observation against Wigan that Kodjia, Adomah, Ayew all have a tendency to dribble and keep possession for a few seconds rather than playing quick ball and creating quick passing moves. I think McCormack ( and others) often find it hard to anticipate when the ball will be released and thus their timing and movement is askew. It was notable that Bacuna's goal came from Adomah taking one touch and then putting a quality cross in immediately.
Oh and Kodjia has many qualities but staying onside isn't one of them.
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Burton didn't deserve to lose. They came to play football, and did.
Bunn, saved a certain goal in both halves.
Jedinak was great again. Shame he got the hook.
Grealish. Fantastic.
Come on you Lions !! Beat Leeds and Cardiff.
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I think sometimes we're too 'nice' a team in this league. Said a lot for me after their goal the team all stood about looking sorry for themselves with no one trying to rally the others. Definitely need a character who as well as leading by example doesn't give a sh*t about upsetting anyone when they're playing below par and telling it like it is. Hopefully Steve's got some idea of who come January.
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I think sometimes we're too 'nice' a team in this league. Said a lot for me after their goal the team all stood about looking sorry for themselves with no one trying to rally the others. Definitely need a character who as well as leading by example doesn't give a sh*t about upsetting anyone when they're playing below par and telling it like it is. Hopefully Steve's got some idea of who come January.
A Joey Barton type......but not Joey Barton.
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Remarkable turnaround from when Bruce took over and he deserves great credit for that. We're not aesthetically pleasing to the eye, granted, but we're accumulating points at a rate that looked unthinkable in September.
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Remarkable turnaround from when Bruce took over and he deserves great credit for that. We're not aesthetically pleasing to the eye, granted, but we're accumulating points at a rate that looked unthinkable in September.
I agree.
I think it's hard to be attractive or at least play attractive football in this league. Newcastle, Sheffield Wednesday and Brighton have at times, and we did at home to Forest and away at Brighton. But it is hard.
We are doing alright, and we are around the top 6 now. Despite the shit start, we are still close to the playoffs. I take my hat off to Bruce. I was really against him coming in, but he's been excellent. Well done, Brucey.
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I do wonder if Gil could have done a better job in this division. At least he could pass
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I think the team were a bit intimidated by the full house tbh. They cannot manage the expectation just yet whereas the opposition raise their game. That might explain the inability to control or pass?
Having said that Kodija was poor and has developed a case of the 'Ayew' when you beat a player but then have to beat them again and again until you fall over or lose the ball.
Grealish and Ayew changed the game for us. RMC actually had somebody on the same wavelength on the pitch. Special mention to Ayew for his last gasp tackle in our box.
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I don't think the full house had anything to do with it. We've looked this way for a few weeks now. We are just disjointed and looking to play with too many forwards and not enough balance coming from midfield. We don't control the game enough and we are still poor at retaining possession. Yet still we are picking up points so there is tremendous upside if we can bring in a player or two to start to affect how we play and control games.
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We must stop giving the ball away , we create our own problems fix that and we'll be fine
Oh and let's stop fucking moaning it's better than getting beat every week
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The midfield has been our problem for years even when we were playing decent football in the prem, it's been so bleeding obvious yet a procession of so called professional managers didn't find a way to improve it.
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We're scrappy and disjointed because we have no shape. The addition of some proper midfielders should settle that area of the pitch and allow the rest of the team to become settled in their roles. Our passing is erratic because we're all too aware of the weakness in the centre. And we'll attack more fluidly if we do it from deeper.
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I just don't see the point of playing Gardner yet alone giving him a new contract.
I'm still not convinced that Amavi is a defender.
Agbonlahor looked good up until the part where he came on to the pitch.
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The previous manager bought loads of players with the hope that they would become a team. Bruce has done his best, we are more solid at the back which means we have been able to win games with a couple of individual contributions from the attacking players as happened yesterday. I am sure the Manager knows what is required but there is no guarantee that the right people will be available in January.
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I just don't see the point of playing Gardner yet alone giving him a new contract.
I'm still not convinced that Amavi is a defender.
Agbonlahor looked good up until the part where he came on to the pitch.
Looked good? I beg to differ
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We were poor again but you have to give them credit for finding a way to win at the moment.
The harsh reality is though, that we're massively imbalanced as a squad. Another shape to the team at the start 4-4-2 which didn't really work. Jedinak hasn't the pace to play in that formation and the game bypassed Gardner.
We changed again second half but Kodjia just isn't a central striker as much as we want him to be. He can't play with his back to goal for a start. When we get a couple of midfielders in, I'm convinced he'll play on the left in a 4-3-3.
Once we address the imbalance in the squad, we'll get much better but it might just be more of the same until that point.
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it was rancidly poor from Villa, at times almost unwatchable
but hey we got 3 points so we go again
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Baker, Chester and Bacuna were good, Jack changed the game and Ayew did very well in the short time he was on, other than that most players had a day to forget.
Ross McCormack is a conundrum, he shows flashes of brilliance that make you think he should be one of the first names on the sheet, his link up play with Jack was excellent but then he disappears from the game and his work rate is poor. What do we do with him?
Strange that we are so top heavy with forwards in the squad but still look like we need more.
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I'd say we were mediocre yesterday rather than poor. Burton gave us a good game though and probably deserved a point. I'm not going to knock getting another 3 points. Keeping in touch of the play off spots is the most important thing for now.
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For me yesterday was about one team having a set system of play they're used to and can do with their eyes closed but they lack the quality to really punish a team. The other lot had the quality but are currently a bunch of rag tag thrown together individuals with no set style or system of play. Ultimately our quality won us the game and for all Burtons supposed superiority did they really trouble us that much?
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For me yesterday was about one team having a set system of play they're used to and can do with their eyes closed but they lack the quality to really punish a team. The other lot had the quality but are currently a bunch of rag tag thrown together individuals with no set style or system of play. Ultimately our quality won us the game and for all Burtons supposed superiority did they really trouble us that much?
In fairness, Bunn pulled off two or three good saves and they hit the post. They can feel unlucky to have not got something out of it yesterday.
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For me yesterday was about one team having a set system of play they're used to and can do with their eyes closed but they lack the quality to really punish a team. The other lot had the quality but are currently a bunch of rag tag thrown together individuals with no set style or system of play. Ultimately our quality won us the game and for all Burtons supposed superiority did they really trouble us that much?
In fairness, Bunn pulled off two or three good saves and they hit the post. They can feel unlucky to have not got something out of it yesterday.
You could say we were lucky to get 3 points in more than half of Bruce's wins. I don't know what that shows except there is some truth in the adage that there are lucky managers.
There obviously must be more to it but it feels like for every game where RDM got the team playing well and was thwarted by bad luck Bruce has had the opposite happen.
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I don't think that we've been particularly convincing, other than Brighton away (and even then we failed to win)
The defence is becoming solid and with improvements to midfield, I'm optimistic moving into the 2nd half of the season. The pressure is on the teams above us to maintain their consitence and I can't see them all doing so, whereas, I can see this Bruce side continuing, if not improving further.
I would say, that if we were so blatantly outplayed, then why was it Burton who were running the clock down? They did play well and I don't take anything away from them but were they better than us? I don't think so. After we scored, it looked only a matter of time until we got a second, at which point, there wouldn't have been a way back for them. We failed to capitalize on that period between the 2 goals, where we were pressurizing them and looking for a second. Once they equalized, it understandably gave them a lift. Replacing Jedinak with Ayew was very brave and inspired (if not dictated by injury) and it won us the extra 2 points.
I'm still not comfortable with the side and we are anything but convincing. We don't look like hammering anybody, like sides around us do. I have complete trust in Bruce though and can see us clicking in the second half of the season. Watching Newcastle last night, they looked worse than we did yesterday and Shevley is a massive miss for them. I accept that they had tougher opposition but even so, their creativity was poor.
Yesterday, although the team performance was poor and disjointed, it was pleasing to see anther sterling performance from Baker, with Chester also doing his job very well. Burton finished the game with 2 big, strong strikers and I thought our centre backs handled them well (as they had handled everything well for the entire 90 minutes) Bacuna also played very well and looked lively playing wide. He also stood up to be counted when moved into a central role when Jedinak went off. he's probably not the long term answer but regularly proves that he can be relied upon when asked to play. The other player for me was McCormack. I thought he did very well yesterday and his interlinking with Grealish was (as always) effective and dangerous. After his goal, he dropped deeper and really played his part in defending that slender lead. Bunn also played well, could not be faulted for the goal and I felt far more confident when the ball was played back to him (an important aspect of goalkeeping these days)
Credit to Burton for playing with 2 strikers and having a go. The difference on the day was the quality that we have at our disposal. The run and cross from Ayew was excellent and I can't think of a player in the division that I would want more to have been on the end of that cross than McCormack. As in many of our narrow victories of late, one moment of brilliance has been enough to turn 1 point into 3. Onwards and forwards. We are obviously still a work in progress but we are serious contenders for a play off place-Something that looked unlikely after Preston away.
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I guess Bruce's plan, predictably, has been to turn us into a tight unit and rely on a moment of brilliance from one of our mercurial talents to get us the points. It's not exactly total football and it doesn't make for demolition jobs on the likes of burton, but it seems to be pretty effective.
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I know I'll be in a minority, but it's a shame they've dropped DLBIA (which was at least natural after the Reading game) after a home win. Hi Ho Silver lining is so forced just because the name fits in the title. Plus it's shite, IMO.
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...Hi Ho Silver lining is so forced just because the name fits in the title. Plus it's shite, IMO.
I've always considered it a Wolves song
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I've said elsewhere that near the top of the January shopping list should be a decent keeper, but Bunn was exceptional yesterday - he pulled off two really good saves in the first half, one of which would have been a spectacular own goal, and a superb save at the end of the game which was the difference between a win and a draw - so I think we can afford to focus elsewhere. We were pretty poor yesterday and I was quite impressed with Burton - all two-touch football with lots of movement to move the ball quickly, but as others have said they lack quality up front to punish teams. Having said that their goal was a cracker albeit that we stood so far off the player crossing the ball that he could pretty much pick his spot. The traffic after the game was awful - took me an hour and ten minutes to get from King Edwards to the Expressway - not helped by what looked like a 4-car shunt just after Park Circus. Hopefully our play and the traffic will be much better come Thursday evening - another silly-o-clock kick off time
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I've said elsewhere that near the top of the January shopping list should be a decent keeper, but Bunn was exceptional yesterday - he pulled off two really good saves in the first half, one of which would have been a spectacular own goal, and a superb save at the end of the game which was the difference between a win and a draw
After a disappointing Villa performance I was wondering who would be my man of the match. Baker and Chester were, again, secure at the back. Bacuna offered creativity which was otherwise lacking in midfield and he set up and scored a very good goal. But, as CJ says, Bunn's brilliant last-minute save secured the three points, so he gets my vote. I'd love to see the save again but our very limited TV coverage doesn't show it, or at least not anywhere that I can find it.
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I know I'll be in a minority, but it's a shame they've dropped DLBIA (which was at least natural after the Reading game) after a home win. Hi Ho Silver lining is so forced just because the name fits in the title. Plus it's shite, IMO.
I'm with you in the minority.
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I've said elsewhere that near the top of the January shopping list should be a decent keeper, but Bunn was exceptional yesterday - he pulled off two really good saves in the first half, one of which would have been a spectacular own goal, and a superb save at the end of the game which was the difference between a win and a draw
After a disappointing Villa performance I was wondering who would be my man of the match. Baker and Chester were, again, secure at the back. Bacuna offered creativity which was otherwise lacking in midfield and he set up and scored a very good goal. But, as CJ says, Bunn's brilliant last-minute save secured the three points, so he gets my vote. I'd love to see the save again but our very limited TV coverage doesn't show it, or at least not anywhere that I can find it.
Here it is, mate. Right at the end.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/813716314258685952?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Thanks Axl!
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I didn't make much of Burton's support, they all sat. There were taunts of "sat down on yer big out" and I heard someone say shout f off back to Staffordshire from a Villa fan, which sorts out the rubbish we hear from Small Time Heath and the local rag that we are supposed to be from there.
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Yeah I was a bit suprised by how poor there support was too, sat down quietly all game, I was expecting them to make the most of it and create an atmosphere.
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Bunn did very well but no more than a good keeper should do. Our problem is that we are recalibrated by mediocrity all over the pitch from past 5 seasons.
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I liked Burton supporters. Nice decent people. Thursday night scum will turn up and stink the place out.
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I didn't make much of Burton's support, they all sat. There were taunts of "sat down on yer big out" and I heard someone say shout f off back to Staffordshire from a Villa fan, which sorts out the rubbish we hear from Small Time Heath and the local rag that we are supposed to be from there.
I fucked off back to Staffordshire after the game as I live there, along with many, many others.
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Bunn did very well but no more than a good keeper should do. Our problem is that we are recalibrated by mediocrity all over the pitch from past 5 seasons.
Yep, doing the basics seem like a bonus after 5 years of crap. Hutton seems unable to grasp this still.
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I liked Burton supporters. Nice decent people. Thursday night scum will turn up and stink the place out.
Not for me, burton's support resembled a SWP rally, they all looked the same all in wooly hats and scarves to match. Leeds have more traditional away support nearly all male and majority not in club colours, manures is the same. I would say our away support is 70% male not in club colours.
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Burton's support was pretty good. Ours was very quiet for most of the game. What was going on in the lower North? The Villa fans seemed very animated towards the Burton fans.
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Jedinak is a dreadful footballer. He basically hoofs it at every possible opportunity and then we wonder why we give the ball away. We need a minimum of two midfielders next month but Jedinak needs replacing more than Gardner. At best he is the player you bring on with 10 min to go.
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He breaks up the oppositions attacks and wins everything in the air, he's the least of our worries, we should be buying midfielders to play with him not looking to get rid of him.
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I liked Burton supporters. Nice decent people. Thursday night scum will turn up and stink the place out.
Not for me, burton's support resembled a SWP rally, they all looked the same all in wooly hats and scarves to match. Leeds have more traditional away support nearly all male and majority not in club colours, manures is the same. I would say our away support is 70% male not in club colours.
Fans attend December match in hats and scarves, shocker.
What exactly is your point? Are you saying the Burton fans weren't a serious 'crew'? Not enough mouth foaming, knuckle dragging Neanderthals?
If so, that supports my opinion of them. Seemingly genuine, decent football supporters enjoying one of the biggest days out they are likely to experience in the league.
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A midfielder should be able to break up attacks AND then pass it forward to a team mate.
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I liked Burton supporters. Nice decent people. Thursday night scum will turn up and stink the place out.
Not for me, burton's support resembled a SWP rally, they all looked the same all in wooly hats and scarves to match. Leeds have more traditional away support nearly all male and majority not in club colours, manures is the same. I would say our away support is 70% male not in club colours.
Fans attend December match in hats and scarves, shocker.
What exactly is your point? Are you saying the Burton fans weren't a serious 'crew'? Not enough mouth foaming, knuckle dragging Neanderthals?
If so, that supports my opinion of them. Seemingly genuine, decent football supporters enjoying one of the biggest days out they are likely to experience in the league.
supporters dressed all in official merchandise are not individuals.
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A midfielder should be able to break up attacks AND then pass it forward to a team mate.
Correct and ideally what Gardner and Westwood should do but as has been said Jedinak is the least of our worries. There is no chance that Bruce will replace him.
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I liked Burton supporters. Nice decent people. Thursday night scum will turn up and stink the place out.
Not for me, burton's support resembled a SWP rally, they all looked the same all in wooly hats and scarves to match. Leeds have more traditional away support nearly all male and majority not in club colours, manures is the same. I would say our away support is 70% male not in club colours.
Fans attend December match in hats and scarves, shocker.
What exactly is your point? Are you saying the Burton fans weren't a serious 'crew'? Not enough mouth foaming, knuckle dragging Neanderthals?
If so, that supports my opinion of them. Seemingly genuine, decent football supporters enjoying one of the biggest days out they are likely to experience in the league.
supporters dressed all in official merchandise are not individuals.
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Burton's support was pretty good. Ours was very quiet for most of the game. What was going on in the lower North? The Villa fans seemed very animated towards the Burton fans.
I was in the north lower, burton was singing some Saville song. A fat bold burton fan with glasses was spotted and there were chants of peado at him.
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Burton's support was pretty good. Ours was very quiet for most of the game. What was going on in the lower North? The Villa fans seemed very animated towards the Burton fans.
I was in the north lower, burton was singing some Saville song. A fat bold burton fan with glasses was spotted and there were chants of peado at him.
Damn! Wish I'd been there.
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Burton's support was pretty good. Ours was very quiet for most of the game. What was going on in the lower North? The Villa fans seemed very animated towards the Burton fans.
I was in the north lower, burton was singing some Saville song. A fat bold burton fan with glasses was spotted and there were chants of peado at him.
Damn! Wish I'd been there.
You and me both pal-Who needs bright enterprising football when you have such "banter" between the fans.
I'm really struggling to find any minuscule of criticism to throw at the Burton fans. They were good natured and there to enjoy a big game in their clubs history. I really am at a loss to understand how anyone would want to begrudge them of that, or find fult with their impeccable behaviour at the ground.
Come back Millwall-All is forgiven.
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Burton's support was pretty good. Ours was very quiet for most of the game. What was going on in the lower North? The Villa fans seemed very animated towards the Burton fans.
I was in the north lower, burton was singing some Saville song. A fat bold burton fan with glasses was spotted and there were chants of peado at him.
Classy.
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Not the best performance but I don't care because we won. Thankyou very much!
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Burton's support was pretty good. Ours was very quiet for most of the game. What was going on in the lower North? The Villa fans seemed very animated towards the Burton fans.
I was in the north lower, burton was singing some Saville song. A fat bold burton fan with glasses was spotted and there were chants of peado at him.
So a fat, bald (I think that's what you meant) man in glasses is a paedophile that rules in about 50% of middle aged male community. I do hope you didn't join in that chant?
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Burton's support was pretty good. Ours was very quiet for most of the game. What was going on in the lower North? The Villa fans seemed very animated towards the Burton fans.
I was in the north lower, burton was singing some Saville song. A fat bold burton fan with glasses was spotted and there were chants of peado at him.
So a fat, bald (I think that's what you meant) man in glasses is a paedophile that rules in about 50% of middle aged male community. I do hope you didn't join in that chant?
I can't remember I was pissed up I may have but then again may not.
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Burton's support was pretty good. Ours was very quiet for most of the game. What was going on in the lower North? The Villa fans seemed very animated towards the Burton fans.
I was in the north lower, burton was singing some Saville song. A fat bold burton fan with glasses was spotted and there were chants of peado at him.
So a fat, bald (I think that's what you meant) man in glasses is a paedophile that rules in about 50% of middle aged male community. I do hope you didn't join in that chant?
I can't remember I was pissed up I may have but then again may not.
But not pissed up enough to stop you carrying out a head count on the number of male Burton supporters who wore their clubs colours?
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The clock is definitely ticking, I would imagine about one more hour.
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I liked Burton supporters. Nice decent people. Thursday night scum will turn up and stink the place out.
Not for me, burton's support resembled a SWP rally, they all looked the same all in wooly hats and scarves to match. Leeds have more traditional away support nearly all male and majority not in club colours, manures is the same. I would say our away support is 70% male not in club colours.
Fans attend December match in hats and scarves, shocker.
What exactly is your point? Are you saying the Burton fans weren't a serious 'crew'? Not enough mouth foaming, knuckle dragging Neanderthals?
If so, that supports my opinion of them. Seemingly genuine, decent football supporters enjoying one of the biggest days out they are likely to experience in the league.
supporters dressed all in official merchandise are not individuals.
I would have a very different interpretation. Many away travelling fans feel the need to travel without team colours to avoid unnecessary confrontation from your typical meat-head who might target a fan, I don't know, maybe being a paedo for example. Whereas the Burton Albion fans, realising that a Boxing Day game with a larger and unhostile neighbour would allow them more freedom to where their official merchandise.
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I liked Burton supporters. Nice decent people. Thursday night scum will turn up and stink the place out.
Not for me, burton's support resembled a SWP rally, they all looked the same all in wooly hats and scarves to match. Leeds have more traditional away support nearly all male and majority not in club colours, manures is the same. I would say our away support is 70% male not in club colours.
Fans attend December match in hats and scarves, shocker.
What exactly is your point? Are you saying the Burton fans weren't a serious 'crew'? Not enough mouth foaming, knuckle dragging Neanderthals?
If so, that supports my opinion of them. Seemingly genuine, decent football supporters enjoying one of the biggest days out they are likely to experience in the league.
supporters dressed all in official merchandise are not individuals.
I would have a very different interpretation. Many away travelling fans feel the need to travel without team colours to avoid unnecessary confrontation from your typical meat-head who might target a fan, I don't know, maybe being a paedo for example. Whereas the Burton Albion fans, realising that a Boxing Day game with a larger and unhostile neighbour would allow them more freedom to where their official merchandise.
I wouldn't really call them a neighbour.
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A bit like Europe then.
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I cannot let the Burton thread sink below the waves without thanking them for immortalising Gabby in their club badge.
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The clock is definitely ticking, I would imagine about one more hour.
Give it a couple. Tick tock......
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I cannot let the Burton thread sink below the waves without thanking them for immortalising Gabby in their club badge.
Good spot Brian. I had to google it but the resemblance is uncanny.
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I wouldn't really call them a neighbour.
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Although I suspect altruism is probably a concept that you naturally struggle with, I was looking at things from the Burton fans position.
Being the 3rd nearest away day for them after Derby and Forest (and keep in mind Aston Villa has often been referenced as having one of the largest catchment area of fans), we will have been the nearest 'big' team to them the majority of the last 30 years.
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I wouldn't really call them a neighbour.
Although I suspect altruism is probably a concept that you naturally struggle with, I was looking at things from the Burton fans position.
Being the 3rd nearest away day for them after Derby and Forest (and keep in mind Aston Villa has often been referenced as having one of the largest catchment area of fans), we will have been the nearest 'big' team to them the majority of the last 30 years.
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Be fair, I'm sure he thinks it's a shame for them kids.
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The Burton fans were sound. We definitely deserved the "is this a library" chant. We need to up our game with some new songs. It's your round m'lord is getting a bit boring now imo.
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The Burton fans were sound. We definitely deserved the "is this a library" chant. We need to up our game with some new songs. It's your round m'lord is getting a bit boring now imo.
Better pick the One Direction notebook and pencil set you asked Santa for and get cracking pal.
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I imagine he thinks of little else.
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The Burton fans were sound. We definitely deserved the "is this a library" chant. We need to up our game with some new songs. It's your round m'lord is getting a bit boring now imo.
Better pick the One Direction notebook and pencil set you asked Santa for and get cracking pal.
What are you talking about pal? The atmosphere was piss poor yesterday don't you think?
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We were playing a glorified non league team. The atmosphere was shit when we played Gravesend and Northfleet too.
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We were playing a glorified non league team. The atmosphere was shit when we played Gravesend and Northfleet too.
When did we play Gravesend and Northfleet?
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We were playing a glorified non league team. The atmosphere was shit when we played Gravesend and Northfleet too.
When did we play Gravesend and Northfleet?
I've been to both places, I'm not surprised they have to share a football team
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Here you go:
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We were playing a glorified non league team. The atmosphere was shit when we played Gravesend and Northfleet too.
When did we play Gravesend and Northfleet?
1996
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We were playing a glorified non league team. The atmosphere was shit when we played Gravesend and Northfleet too.
When did we play Gravesend and Northfleet?
1996
That's very clever of you.I'd completely forgotten about that
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We were playing a glorified non league team. The atmosphere was shit when we played Gravesend and Northfleet too.
When did we play Gravesend and Northfleet?
1996
Don't know what's happening here.
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Here you go:
My daughter is watching a programme on Five about lunatics that keep dangerous animals as pets. A bloke was on who lived in a filthy house and wore even filthier clothes and bizarrely enough that match was mentioned as he used to be their manager.
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The Edge has gone full quotes fail. Nobody goes full quotes fail
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First George Michael, then Carrie Fisher, and now a fucking full quotes fail.
When will 2016 just fuck off and leave us alone?
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First George Michael, then Carrie Fisher, and now a fucking full quotes fail.
When will 2016 just fuck off and leave us alone?
I have no idea how i did that. Sober as well
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The Edge has gone full quotes fail. Nobody goes full quotes fail
I never do things by half.
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Stop the world I want to get off.
(Goes to get gun to shoot self in face for even typing that shit in an ironic way)