Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Villa Memories => Topic started by: peter w on December 01, 2016, 08:29:50 PM
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Still a Rangers fan and always will be
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P W.
Were you at this game ?
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That certainly doesn't make comfortable viewing.
As someone who grew up going to football in the 70's, I can relate to what that woman was saying. Villa Park was probably well down the pecking order for the unenviable claim of living next to the most unruly football ground in England. There must have been hundreds of families up and down the country whose lives were impacted by marauding supporters every fortnight.
I appreciate that there's a lot of nostalgia (and rightly so), attached to eras that have passed but my personal feeling is that the positives far outweigh the negatives when comparing modern day football to different eras.
I'd like to think (possibly naively) that men do not expose themselves in front of women and young girls these days or that 13 year old boys are safe to visit stadiums without the fear of being chased down railway embankments.
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I thought there was already a thread about this, with this vid on. I was at this game and it was pretty scary (more so as I was with my Dad who is a Glaswegian and mad Celt. He was itching for a fight with Dirty Rangers).
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In those days flares inside stadiums were mandatory.
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My dad was at this game and is a Glaswegian. The stewards tried to stop him from going in the Villa end as they thought he was a Gers fan.
They're a horrible bunch, I don't like Celtic, but Rangers are far worse.
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Never ceases to amaze me over the years how many folks i've come across that have slagged off Manure, Liverpool fans etc for being glory hunters/plastics and then claim to be big Rangers or Celtic fans.
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Terrace menswear? What the fuck is that?
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Never ceases to amaze me over the years how many folks i've come across that have slagged off Manure, Liverpool fans etc for being glory hunters/plastics and then claim to be big Rangers or Celtic fans.
I know, when everyone knows that Clyde are the big team up there.
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I wasn't allowed to go the game as my streetwise dad predicted trouble. It was an early kick off as well. Always hated Scottish football from there on. Not just rangers fans that were scum from Scotland when wales played Scotland at anfield they invaded a school playground and started ripping things up
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Was there that day total mayhem from start to finish got the bus from by the costermonger oasis market full of rangers fans but they was all ok with us just all singing together then got nearer vp and it seemed like the whole of Ibrox had come down.
It all turned nasty when we went 1-0 up and some Celtic fan in the middle of the witton I was stood next to unfurled a Celtic flag ensue pitch invasion.
After the game there was mass punch up by witton island and a cop car got smashed up more by villa fans than rangers then about 500 of us T least all stayed together on the way back into the city centre.
Can't beat the 70s for fun
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Shit myself after our second goal when it all kicked off. I ran all the way to Perry Bar station
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Was there that day total mayhem from start to finish got the bus from by the costermonger oasis market full of rangers fans but they was all ok with us just all singing together then got nearer vp and it seemed like the whole of Ibrox had come down.
It all turned nasty when we went 1-0 up and some Celtic fan in the middle of the witton I was stood next to unfurled a Celtic flag ensue pitch invasion.
After the game there was mass punch up by witton island and a cop car got smashed up more by villa fans than rangers then about 500 of us T least all stayed together on the way back into the city centre.
Can't beat the 70s for fun
I remember the scenes at Witton island that day and the police car getting trashed. It was total mayhem and I think the police had underestimated the potential for violence that this game would bring. They certainly seemed to be short on numbers which would be unheard of in this day and age.
The lad with the Celtic flag was quite a well known Villa fan with Irish/Celtic connections.
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I'm sure it was an old Austin princess wedge shape no windows left in it and I'm sure the door was hanging off remember the coppers following us all into town with truncheons out as it was villa fans and not rangers that trashed it
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We've discussed this on here before but I was there too and it was the worst violence and mayhem I've ever seen by a million miles.
I lived in Billesley and it's nearly six miles from Villa Park, but at 8am in the morning there were drunken Scots causing havoc in the shops at the top of our road, tipping up bins and putting windows through, it was incredible, god knows why they were there but there was about 50 of them there by the shops and about a mob of 100 rampaging through the park.
I was walking to the top of the road at about 12, without my Villa scarf on, and got the usual number 11 outer circle bus to Aston, I couldn't get on the forst two, full of Rangers hooligans, and got to the ground to find scenes of an apocolyptic nature, running battles all along Witton Lane, which was apparently fueled by this kid with a Celtic flag.
The Holte End was 'taken' hours before the match, I ended up in the Witton and all the rest is history.
My abiding memory is that every one of them, and I mean every one even the old buggers, were absolutely pissed out of their brains.
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The Holte end wasn't taken it was opened up on police advice for somewhere to put the rangers fans instead of letting them wander round Brum all night
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We've discussed this on here before but I was there too and it was the worst violence and mayhem I've ever seen by a million miles.
I lived in Billesley and it's nearly six miles from Villa Park, but at 8am in the morning there were drunken Scots causing havoc in the shops at the top of our road, tipping up bins and putting windows through, it was incredible, god knows why they were there but there was about 50 of them there by the shops and about a mob of 100 rampaging through the park.
I was walking to the top of the road at about 12, without my Villa scarf on, and got the usual number 11 outer circle bus to Aston, I couldn't get on the forst two, full of Rangers hooligans, and got to the ground to find scenes of an apocolyptic nature, running battles all along Witton Lane, which was apparently fueled by this kid with a Celtic flag.
The Holte End was 'taken' hours before the match, I ended up in the Witton and all the rest is history.
My abiding memory is that every one of them, and I mean every one even the old buggers, were absolutely pissed out of their brains.
The teenaged me arrogantly thought I was a man of the world (didn't we all) and knew all about heavy 'sessions'. However walking to the game down Aston Lane and having to step over the comatose bodies of rangers supporters slumped across the pavement and in front gardens, many still clutching the bottles of port or sherry they had been swigging from, opened my eyes to a completely different world. I worked in Town at the time and there were still very young Rangers fans wandering around the following week.As I recollect BR had run ridiculously cheap trains through the night from Glasgow.
It must have been miserable living near a football ground back then but that day was hooliganism on a different level so no wonder those residents are so shocked.
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I wasn't even born when this happened but my dad was telling me the other day, either him or his mate was at the game (can't remember who) and said the Rangers fans were OK in the Holte and passing round alcohol with Villa fans. It only kicked off when a goal was scored.
No idea myself just wondered if anyone else had a similar experience.
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Am I right thinking this was an early kick off. Another of those games good or bad that I can say wish I was there, just the same as the Leicester game the week after. (did make it to Stoke though - wish I hadn't bothered).
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From what I seen all the villa fans were being sent to the witton end even those that was in the holte was bent sent down the touch line to the witton
The coppers wouldn't even let us in the Holte just directed s to the witton
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I was at this game, what our dad was thinking of taking us I just don't know. I went into the Holte End, then straight onto the touchline and along into the Witton End. I've never been so frightened at a football match. Oddly, the game itself was pretty good, for a 'friendly.'
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I wasn't allowed to go the game as my streetwise dad predicted trouble. It was an early kick off as well. Always hated Scottish football from there on. Not just rangers fans that were scum from Scotland when wales played Scotland at anfield they invaded a school playground and started ripping things up
Scotland, and belatedly England, fans, have done much to reinvent themselves to the extent that hooliganism is unknown at Scotland fixtures and rare when England are playing.
Rangers are still utter ******, who will always blame somebody else for their behaviour.
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I was in the away corner at Ibrox for a Caley Jags match one year and the lovely inhabitants of the Broomloan Road, or "Family", Stand - in between singing anti-Celtic and English anthems - kept trying to goad the handful of away fans into a spot of Glaswegian hugging. I've never seen so much pointless posturing at a game before or since. Apart from the fact Inverness fans aren't known for their hoolie firm, there were over 40,000 protestants there and fewer than 400 Mel Gibsons. Fortunately, the Gers fans decided to turn on their own team and manager while "we" celebrated a win during the near hour-long lock in. Odd bunch.
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Wallace was actually likely to have been from Ayrshire or Renfrewshire, so not a Teuchter!
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Bollocks, he was Australian. I've seen the documentary and heard him being interviewed. Not keen on the Israelis by all accounts.
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I was really lucky as an 11 year old (thinking back, I didn't realise how lucky I was)
Me and a mate of mine I had a job at Villa Park where we would help the groundsman on Sunday mornings replace the divots in the hallowed turf, which had been made during the previous matchday.
Our 'pay' for this was a match ticket, and we ended up sitting in all different parts of the ground.
For the Rangers game, we sat in the groundsmans dugout which was in the Witton Lane stand.
It was right next to the 'tunnel' which led underneath the stand to where the St.Johns Ambulance treatment room was.
During the game there were people being escorted past us and down the tunnel with blood pouring from them, mainly cuts from flying glass I think.
The next morning we were 'on duty' and helped with the clearing up of the Holte.
There was more smashed glass (whisky bottles) on the steps of the Holte End than you would see in any glass recycling plant.
After the game was abandoned, we tried to make our way home to deepest Aston ( two 10/11 year old kids) and were absolutely crapping ourselves.
A bloke (probably in his 20's) saw us, took pity on us, and escorted us all the way back home.
He was Rangers fan. He went out of his way (literally) to make sure we were safe, before going back to Glasgow.