Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: villabear on November 16, 2016, 07:20:55 AM
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Meaning Evil 'reporting' the club have held talks with Paul Trollope about becoming assistant manager.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-interview-paul-trollope-12182109?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Mods feel free to move if needed.
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West Country-ish
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It's Hughton, not effing Houghton! Unforgivable error when we had a player like Ray who stuck the ball in Pagliucas net (twice in two months).
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It's Hughton, not effing Houghton! Unforgivable error when we had a player like Ray who stuck the ball in Pagliucas net (twice in two months).
I know and Hughton is what I typed. This tablet has a mind of it's own.I should have checked...sorry.
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No, I'm sorry Ron. I should have considered the unintended consequences of auto-correct and not been so quick to castigate you.
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Is anyone willing to copy & paste so we don't have to give them hits?
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He was assistant to Hughton at SHA wasn't he?
Not management material as he struggled at Cardiff but yeah quite experienced as an assistant, think he's been in the Wales set up in recent times.
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It's Hughton, not effing Houghton! Unforgivable error when we had a player like Ray who stuck the ball in Pagliucas net (twice in two months).
Or Eric
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Pat Murphy reckons Colin Calderwood will be our new assistant manager.
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It's Hughton, not effing Houghton! Unforgivable error when we had a player like Ray who stuck the ball in Pagliucas net (twice in two months).
I know and Hughton is what I typed. This tablet has a mind of it's own.I should have checked...sorry.
oh that's nice, but if grammar, is on the menu, can you please moderate your use of the FULL STOP. otherwise it will be lines for you man ha ger
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It's going to be Calderwood as Brighton have released a statement saying he's off elsewhere.
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It's Hughton, not effing Houghton! Unforgivable error when we had a player like Ray who stuck the ball in Pagliucas net (twice in two months).
I know and Hughton is what I typed. This tablet has a mind of it's own.I should have checked...sorry.
oh that's nice, but if grammar, is on the menu, can you please moderate your use of the FULL STOP. otherwise it will be lines for you man ha ger
Unless you talk like William Shatner I'm not sure you're allowed to criticise grammar with that sentence.
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It's going to be Calderwood as Brighton have released a statement saying he's off elsewhere.
From the Meaning Evil....
" Brighton and Hove Albion have this evening announced that Colin Calderwood has left the club.
News broke this evening that Aston Villa were hopeful of making the Scot Steve Bruce’s number two, ahead of the meeting between the Seagulls and claret and blues on the south coast tomorrow evening.
Calderwood has worked with Chris Hughton at Newcastle, Birmingham, Norwich and Brighton, but is expected to join the Villa back-room staff.
A short statement on the Albion website read: “Brighton & Hove Albion can confirm that assistant manager Colin Calderwood has resigned from the club to take up a new position elsewhere.
He was placed on gardening leave on Saturday 12 November 2016 to serve his notice period.”
Calderwood played for Villa during the 1999-2000 campaign "[/i]
A well respected Coach , by all accounts ( see Brighton's recent form ) .......and formerly a very good Defender , it can only be good news for us .............Godzvilla!.
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I wonder while not officially appointed would he be able to provide Bruce tactical insight ahead of tomorrow's game?
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Calderwood is highly regarded in the game, good coach too. Pleased with that appointment.
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Good news if true
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I've liked Calderwood ever since he made a beeline for Phil Thompson who was gobbing off from the sidelines at Anfield and told him in no uncertain terms to "FUCK OFF!"
I think we won that day as well.
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He must be mad, why would you leave Brighton, where you are doing a similar role (and who have more chance of promotion than ourselves) oh I forgot it is all about the MONEY!
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He must be mad, why would you leave Brighton, where you are doing a similar role (and who have more chance of promotion than ourselves) oh I forgot it is all about the MONEY!
Because Brighton will never be as big a club as Aston Villa.
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He must be mad, why would you leave Brighton, where you are doing a similar role (and who have more chance of promotion than ourselves) oh I forgot it is all about the MONEY!
Easy, he still lives in Northampton, he will earn a lot more money and we are Aston Villa.
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He must be mad, why would you leave Brighton, where you are doing a similar role (and who have more chance of promotion than ourselves) oh I forgot it is all about the MONEY!
Easy, he still lives in Northampton, he will earn a lot more money and we are Aston Villa.
It's still a brave move for him when he has been with Hughton for so long and when they are doing so well. The way we go through managers he is taking a gamble.
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I'm heartened by this. If a club that's been poorly run for years can't use revenues from sky tv and selling MSG to poach an assistant manager from a well run small town club then everything I stand for is lost
Of course if any richer club steals one of OUR players or staff then it's a symptom of a game that's rotten to the core
And I know practically every football fan feels this way
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The most positive thing for me is we have obviously sold him a vision exciting enough to encourage him to up sticks and make the jump into the unknown. This has to be a good sign.
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Unsettling promotion rivals is no bad thing, and Colin is a handsome man which makes up for Steve a bit.
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He must be mad, why would you leave Brighton, where you are doing a similar role (and who have more chance of promotion than ourselves) oh I forgot it is all about the MONEY!
Because Brighton will never be as big a club as Aston Villa.
Maybe he has fond memories of his time with us?
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I think we should have kept Clarke on as number two myself. But would be willing to give Calderwood a go.
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I think we should have kept Clarke on as number two myself.
Because he was such a great success in the job?
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I think we should have kept Clarke on as number two myself.
Because he was such a great success in the job?
And on what planet are you blaming our form at the start of the season on him. I blame on the manager, the players, and on the fact that club had no direction. Clarke has a great record as a number two. I understand when a new manager comes in the backroom staff tend to change, but I don't think we needed a change there.
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He must be mad, why would you leave Brighton, where you are doing a similar role (and who have more chance of promotion than ourselves) oh I forgot it is all about the MONEY!
Because Brighton will never be as big a club as Aston Villa.
Maybe he has fond memories of his time with us?
I think it is to do with his daily commute being substantially shorter. i would imagine we will also pay him more
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He must be mad, why would you leave Brighton, where you are doing a similar role (and who have more chance of promotion than ourselves) oh I forgot it is all about the MONEY!
Changing employers to do the same job for more money?
How dare he - that's never been done before
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I think we should have kept Clarke on as number two myself.
Because he was such a great success in the job?
And on what planet are you blaming our form at the start of the season on him. I blame on the manager, the players, and on the fact that club had no direction. Clarke has a great record as a number two.
I'm blaming everyone involved, including him. If you think he had nothing to do with the way we were playing, why was he even on the staff?
As for this great record, let's hear it then. I make it failure and sackings at Newcastle, Liverpool, West Ham and us.
Success at Chelsea. And I'm pretty sure that in the list of things that made Chelsea successful during the Abramovich years, the identity of the assistant manager isn't high up the list.
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I think we should have kept Clarke on as number two myself.
Because he was such a great success in the job?
And on what planet are you blaming our form at the start of the season on him. I blame on the manager, the players, and on the fact that club had no direction. Clarke has a great record as a number two.
I'm blaming everyone involved, including him. If you think he had nothing to do with the way we were playing, why was he even on the staff?
As for this great record, let's hear it then. I make it failure and sackings at Newcastle, Liverpool, West Ham and us.
Success at Chelsea. And I'm pretty sure that in the list of things that made Chelsea successful during the Abramovich years, the identity of the assistant manager isn't high up the list.
If he can't be blamed for our failure, he can't take credit for the success of Chelsea. On my planet anyway.
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The difference is that Clarke was at Chelsea a lot longer than he was at Villa and clearly played a big part in their success. And he wasn't let go at Liverpool because of change of manager as far as I know. He did a very good job when manager of West Brom. To me he has more pluses than minses.
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Liked Calderwiod when he came to us from Spurs. Can't remember the circumstances but seem to remember he was cgeap, maybe £200,000, and brought in due to injury. Remember him doing a reasonable job for us too. But I was quite you and it was nearly 20 years ago so I might be wrong.
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He did a very decent job alongside Southgate and Ugo if memory serves.
Clarke has a good coaching reputation and would have been fine as a coach but the minute he threw his hat in the ring for the manager's job it was either all or nothing. He was never going to stay having been overlooked for the top job.
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Clarke has a good coaching reputation and would have been fine as a coach
Where's the evidence for this though? It strikes me as one of those things that are just said with little to back it up. Like Martin O'Neill being a brilliant motivator or Randy Lerner not giving his managers any money to spend.
His first real period of coaching happened to coincide with Chelsea winning loads of things. Had their assistant manager at the time been say, Eddie Newton would that hugely expensive Mourinho side NOT won various trophies?
Or would it be Eddie Newton who was thought of as having a good coaching reputation whereas Steve Clarke was just that bloke who was sacked from Liverpool, West Ham and Villa*?
* allowing for the fact that he wouldn't have got those jobs without his time at Chelsea, obvs.
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Well if Bruce and Calderwood can't sort out our defence then nobody will.
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He must be mad, why would you leave Brighton, where you are doing a similar role (and who have more chance of promotion than ourselves) oh I forgot it is all about the MONEY!
Easy, he still lives in Northampton, he will earn a lot more money and we are Aston Villa.
I thought so.
I remember a few years back I was getting a London Midland train back to Brum and he got on at Rugby I think (Norwich were playing West Brom that weekend) so I did wonder if his family home was in the Midlands so salary increase and easier commute.
Would've taken that to quit as he has followed Hughton all over the country.
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Confirmed in the post match interviews. Bruce very keen to pint out "we did everything right"
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Confirmed in the post match interviews. Bruce very keen to pint out "we did everything right"
Yea hasn't gone down well with Brighton...
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I thought Chris Hughton, and Liam Rosenior conducted themselves very well in the post match interview in the circumstances.
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Welcome back Colin.
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Along with Calderwood, new Head of Sports Science is Danny Donachie. Worked previously at Everton, so likely someone Round knew.
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All shaping up nicely.
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I hope we are going to have a decent period of stability now. We've had more than enough managers/coaches/boardroom members over the last decade.
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I hope we are going to have a decent period of stability now. We've had more than enough managers/coaches/boardroom members over the last decade.
Stability is an interesting word. I'd argue we had far too much stability during the Lerner/Lambert era.
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Absolutely not, the only manager given any meaningful time after MON was Lambert but he had 2 summers of buying lots of players to try to fit in and then a summer of dealing with the Karsa/Culverhouse fallout. On top of that his entire time had the instability of the growing belief an then confirmation that Lerner wanted out. On top of that I want some stability in terms of how we approach the game that extends beyond the manager and becomes a club identity, I've said it for a long time but we really don't have one right now, in part because the fans don't really seem to know what we want other than to stop the pain.
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Stability is often a natural by-product of success but it can't always be identified as the key determinant in producing it.