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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on October 30, 2016, 02:02:40 PM
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Fair-ish result.
We did today what we did at Reading but never really looked like we'd get a second which was needed.
We are slowly improving but still issues particularly with surprise surprise the midfield.
Beat Blackburn and 11 points in last 3 weeks is much better and the standard required to get out of this division.
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We did the thing that we do again.
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Thought we were going to lose that, defence and Jedinak were excellent, no idea what McCormack brings apart from giving the ball away on numerous occasions.
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We did the thing that we do again.
Difference is at least we've won a couple of games beforehand.
I think it's a decent point, more so if we beat Blackburn.
We'll finish above SHA, no worries about that.
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That Hutton mistake led to them getting a head of steam going.Very disappointed in our second half display.We look weaker and less fit than most teams
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On to the next one. Their cup final is over.
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Decent result and good to see some cojones in that back triangle
Got pretty lucky though. They definitely had the best chances and missed a couple of sitters
Agree midfield was a problem. Jedinak was excellent. I thought Westwood was better than Gardner to be honest. At least he looked to pass the ball to our players
Is Gardner a bit thick? He sounds it
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Crap game, we were poor. A point about fair.
On the plus side, i'd have take 8 points from the first 4 Bruce games.
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Bit disappointed with the way we tried to hold out instead of taking the game to them a bit more. Thought Jedinak had his best game for us by far. Take the point away from home.
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That was shit, but whatever.
Jedinak and Amavi did well, Gardner with a well-taken goal which he unfortunately followed up by poor defending for their equaliser. Everyone else basically clung in there, but a point in the away derby is fine in the grand scheme of things.
Hope Adomah's injury is not too serious, otherwise we'll be very short of options next week.
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Didn't look like we wanted to win it.
Looked uncomfortable before we went 1-0 up, didn't improve when we got the goal.
Despite the Westwood handicap in midfield our players are better than their collection of odds and and sods.
Yet it looked like we didn't fancy it today.
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Happy with a point in the end. We were pretty poor, didn't really get our passing game together at all, and they missed a few sitters. And Mr Bruce remains undefeated. Get Bacuna and Tish in for Hutton and Westwood and we'll look much better. And my dog's come out of hiding now I've calmed down
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Sit back and you pay. Play Westwood and you pay. We paid.
Surprisingly, the introduction of Gabby put some life into us, and probably helped us get the draw.
But we're a very ordinary outfit indeed, and often completely shit.
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In defence of McCormack, he's definitely not a right winger
I obviously do want us to go up this year. But this squad would reallly struggle if we do
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Rights it's over where is the nearest fight? Let's head there!
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It was like some bloke off the street dressed up in a Hutton Halloween costume and played RB for us today.
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I'd have taken that before hand and definitely afterwards. Plenty to work on though Jed and Westwood did ok.
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Piss poor game.
Chester MOTM.
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We could have won; they should have. On that basis I'll take the point.
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Thought after Amavi got booked he looked very good, as did Jedi, Baker and Chester. The rest were all very average.
Very poor second half but 1-1 isn't a bad result, so we'll take it and move on.
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In defence of McCormack, he's definitely not a right winger
I obviously do want us to go up this year. But this squad would reallly struggle if we do
Cant see us going up unless we het some major signings in Jan. Worryingly many of the summer signings look poor in the main.
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Get some bollocks Villa - when will we get the opener and then the 2nd goal?
Great goal by Gardner but listening to him after the game, what a pea brain.
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I think Westwood gets criticism just because he's Westwood, I thought he was okay today.
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Ok result.
I'd be disappointed for not winning if we were them.
Felt Bruce should've done something to change it earlier in the second half.
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Back to our worst today. Be honest, sad to say but they should have had three.
Really pleased with the point though.
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They didn't win their cup final, I am happy with a point. Moving on now to next game while they sulk and don't go to another home game all season
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Has Gabby put weight on?
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Jedinak was quality. We lack a box to box type midfielder, like Taylor did for us in the late 90's.
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I think Westwood gets criticism just because he's Westwood, I thought he was okay today.
I've often thought that but I thought he was shite today, especially first half.
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I think Westwood gets criticism just because he's Westwood, I thought he was okay today.
Agree, and from me that's saying something!
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Decent result and good to see some cojones in that back triangle
Got pretty lucky though. They definitely had the best chances and missed a couple of sitters
Agree midfield was a problem. Jedinak was excellent. I thought Westwood was better than Gardner to be honest. At least he looked to pass the ball to our players
Is Gardner a bit thick? He sounds it
No way was Westwood better. I know you're certainly a Westwood sympathiser, and myself a detractor, but he was absolutely rubbish today. How many times has that been levelled at him in his Villa career? He doesn't offer anything, other than an occasional flick forward and hope. He rarely does anything noteworthy, and you're certainly in a one man fan club.
Apologies if I sound rude, I respect your viewpoints Matt, and you talk alot of sense on this site. But I don't get the Westwood support. We very rarely benefit from him being in the team, and I feel he should have gone off at half time. Midfield needs to be improved if we're going to get promotion. Jedinak had his best game for us so far.
A draw was fair, though they had the better chances. Kodjia needs someone right next to him.
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They didn't win their cup final, I am happy with a point. Moving on now to next game while they sulk and don't go to another home game all season
Happy with a draw before the start, happy with one now. Thought Amavi, Jedinak, Chester and Gollini did well. Bacuna was sorely missed in midfield. He gives us legs and drive for his faults, and Westwood gives us a runny excuse for a shit.
Bruce gave us 15 minutes comedy value in Gabby, although i thought he worked hard and was almost useful.
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What was the attendance? Bbc saying 29000??
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Should have lost but then again, I got sick of saying we should have got something under RDM when we got fuck all so what comes around goes around.
Couple of things i was thinking.
One, a reminder of how poor we were earlier in the season and how much work we have still got to do.
Two, absolutely no doubt, under RDM we would have lost that.
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Thought after Amavi got booked he looked very good, as did Jedi, Baker and Chester. The rest were all very average.
Very poor second half but 1-1 isn't a bad result, so we'll take it and move on.
I'd go along with that and although I thought Amavi did pretty well on the whole, he got caught ball watching yet again for their goal. Thought Chester, Baker and Jedinak were solid, Hutton was a liability, Gardner and Westwood gradually disappeared from the game as did the front three. If we are going to play with Ayew and Kodjia then we need to play Gestede to give us a bit of a physical presence.
As for Bruce, still unbeaten but I thought he could have been a bit more proactive when it was clear they were coming into the game more.
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Very fortunate to get a point in the end. Thank God for a superb header; a decent central defensive 3; and shite finishing from Small Heath. Still a great deal of work for Bruce to do in order to get us to look like a proper team - rather than a collection of mostly half-arsed individuals.
Right, I'm off down the pub.
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Piss poor game.
Chester MOTM.
Player of the year so far. Good player
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This has to be Bruce worst game for us so far. Picking Westwood and leaving him on there for 86 min. Is he blind?
Dealt poorly with the injury as well... RMC is one thing, but playing him the entire game as RW?
Then Gabby...its nice to have options for Ayew, but I bet he will Grealish (foolishly) anyway in the long run.
So if this was a carrot handed to Gabby for getting fit...maybe not the best time at 1-1 in an important game?
Happy with the point in hindsight, but this was winnable and squandered.
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Gollini - good saves and dealing with crosses. He seems to be growing in confidence. 8
Hutton - not bad at all apart from the fuck up. But it was a seriously bad fuck up. 5
Amavi - l like him but that was one of his poorest games. 5
Baker - very solid. 7
Chester - good again. 8
Jedinak- best performance yet. 7
Gardner - good goal, never went missing. 7
Westwood - failed to score when he had the opportunity, often went missing. 5
Ayew - had a couple of decent runs but has had better days. Good cross for the goal though. 6
Kodjia - worst performance yet, kept miscontrolling it. 4
Adomah - n/a
McCormack- some decent touches but tried to do too much, running into players when a simple pass would've done. 5
Agbonlahor - n/a
Gestede - n/a
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Point is ok, but poor display. Our biggest problem is the midfield, it just offers nothing.
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Queuing up for bottle target practice.
Thought we were very poor today, but pleased we've not been beaten. Showed some mental toughness.
Not having Bacuna's enegery really changed the dynamic of our midfield.
Shotton did Kodjia on purpose and put him out the game. We were just too deep and with out Adomah or an effective Kodjia it was just poor.
We can play a lot better and no doubt will.
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Stats
sha 60% 14 shots 3 on target, us 40% 5 shots 1 on target.
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In a derby your midfield needs battlers, not spectators. The amount of times I saw Westwood watching what Birmingham City players were doing, rather than doing his utmost to wrest possession back from them. Then, when there was a break on, he passes backwards. And his 'shot' was typical Westwood. He simply can't kick a football. He's a waste of molecules.
Thank God Jedinak didn't shy away from the action, because we'd have been battered if he'd done a Westwood.
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Big attendance, not losing to Villa, there'll be some babys made in Bordsley tonight.
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Generally garbage. SHA deserved to win
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1-1 was about fair. Blues probably had enough chances to win it really. Jedinak was great today, hopefully we see more of those types of performances from him now.
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I think Westwood gets criticism just because he's Westwood, I thought he was okay today.
Agree, and from me that's saying something!
I can only imagine that neither of you watched the game. He was invisible all match.
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Big attendance, not losing to Villa, there'll be some babys made in Bordsley tonight.
They allowed to breed? Isn't there some municipal regulation program to prohibit that?
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I think Westwood gets criticism just because he's Westwood, I thought he was okay today.
Yep he was better than Gardner in general play. Though he had a bad first twenty minutes
I still want better but there were worse players for us today. Hutton. Gardner. McCormack.
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The police on the loud hailer:
"We're having a few issues outside".
A very politically correct statement, I've got a few other words for them!
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There best could not beat our average
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I think Westwood gets criticism just because he's Westwood, I thought he was okay today.
Agree, and from me that's saying something!
I can only imagine that neither of you watched the game. He was invisible all match.
Maybe I only saw the bits where he was visible.
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4 games, 8 points, no losses. It's a big improvement. Give Bruce credit and accept that it is going to take time.
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Big attendance, not losing to Villa, there'll be some babys made in Bordsley tonight.
Was going to go out for lunch but I think I'll give it a miss now. Thanks for that. Can't shift the image of 2 fugly siblings copulating. Brrr
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A draw was probably a fair result. We'd have lost that three weeks ago, you can definitely see an improvement under Bruce.
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I really don't see what McCormack brings to the team in the position he played. Would have much preferred Tshibola to give the midfield more drive and purpose. Thought Jed gave us his best game yet. More of that please.
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I see the mail have given baker and Jedinak a 6 out of 10 and Gardner a 7
You've got to wonder really haven't you?
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I really don't see what McCormack brings to the team in the position he played. Would have much preferred Tshibola to give the midfield more drive and purpose. Thought Jed gave us his best game yet. More of that please.
I thought we'd already concluded after he'd played close to a couple of games for us that Jedinak was shit?
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Westwood was the only one in our midfield who pressed up the pitch and forced them to go long, which played into Jedinak's hands. In that sense, he contributed in making sure we didn't lose the middle of the pitch.
That being said, Bruce should have replaced him with Tshibola once he got that card.
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I really don't see what McCormack brings to the team in the position he played. Would have much preferred Tshibola to give the midfield more drive and purpose. Thought Jed gave us his best game yet. More of that please.
I would have brought Gestede on instead of McCormack when Adomah went off as it was clear we needed a big more physicality up front.
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In a derby your midfield needs battlers, not spectators. The amount of times I saw Westwood watching what Birmingham City players were doing, rather than doing his utmost to wrest possession back from them. Then, when there was a break on, he passes backwards. And his 'shot' was typical Westwood. He simply can't kick a football. He's a waste of molecules.
Thank God Jedinak didn't shy away from the action, because we'd have been battered if he'd done a Westwood.
I think that goes for this league in general. Jedinak looks at home in the sitting position, but what we need in front of him are two players with mobility, energy and a bit of drive.
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If we can make the midfield more athletic to cover more ground we would improve I reckon
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Great news! We've moved from the ramp to the car park.
Noses have let a flare off in the car park. Silly twats.
Westwood is shite.
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Tish and Bacuna in midfield have the athleticism
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In a derby your midfield needs battlers, not spectators. The amount of times I saw Westwood watching what Birmingham City players were doing, rather than doing his utmost to wrest possession back from them. Then, when there was a break on, he passes backwards. And his 'shot' was typical Westwood. He simply can't kick a football. He's a waste of molecules.
Thank God Jedinak didn't shy away from the action, because we'd have been battered if he'd done a Westwood.
I think that goes for this league in general. Jedinak looks at home in the sitting position, but what we need in front of him are two players with mobility, energy and a bit of drive.
Exactly, you have to impose yourself on the opposition in games, not be a passive bystander. Westwood has never and will never do that. He's close to being my least favourite Villa player of all time. There have been worse, I know, but he's just a big bag of nothing.
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The game just passes by Westwood every single time so I have no idea why he got picked over Tshibola. Saying that I'm pleased with a point so I don't want to single anyone out.
I'm glad this game is over as well.
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Scapegoat time, but a deserved one. Westwood, retire please, you are fucking wank, do one, he's worth about £20 a day mowing the pitch, shouldn't be anywhere near it, the ultimate useless fanny of a midfielder that I've ever seen. Crap at football, not good at a single thing.
Scrapped through that one, please potato head learn from it. Whatever midfield you pick, keep that guy out of it.
I thought we were very poor today and McCormack is wasted playing wider, not the position for him at all. It's through the centre of not at all. Gabby getting a run out, well, what to say, he's a ****** who should never play for us again. He's burnt his bridges and can fuck off the fat piss taking lazy twat.
A good point because we were so poor, on to next week, we have to up the tempo in midfield, hopefully Bacuna is back (who thought we'd ever say that again?). 6 pts from the play offs, onwards and upwards.
The rags, the usual collection of sly, rag tag, niggling ****** to match their fans who crawled out of the woodwork for their world cup every 4 years. We're crap and you still can't beat us.
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Still locked in. Fucking bored senseless.
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McCormack looks like a very expensive mistake to me.
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He's got to play off the striker or not at all.
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Bruce got it right on somethings and wrong on others. Playing McCormack wide in midfield did not work. Playing Jedinak right in front of back 4 was good. That left us with Westwood as a midfield force and that's where it all goes wrong. I am convinced with Bacuna in midfield we would have crushed them today however 4 unbeaten for a team that has been broken for many years is not bad.
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McCormack looks like a very expensive mistake to me.
He's no right winger that's for sure
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Still locked in. Fucking bored senseless.
They're probably devising a cunning plan to include the 2k Villa fans into their next official match day attendance. It's the only way they'll get near a sell out.
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We've got too many strikers and not enough midfielders.
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Still locked in. Fucking bored senseless.
Plod love a good kettle.
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I think McCormack could be excellent in a formation that suits him. Unfortunately that formation may not suit others, so Risso could unfortunately be right. I hope not though.
With regards to this game, to echo what others have said we played poorly and got a point. Fine. We draw too many though!
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Scapegoat time, but a deserved one. Westwood, retire please, you are fucking wank, do one, he's worth about £20 a day mowing the pitch, shouldn't be anywhere near it, the ultimate useless fanny of a midfielder that I've ever seen. Crap at football, not good at a single thing.
Scrapped through that one, please potato head learn from it. Whatever midfield you pick, keep that guy out of it.
I thought we were very poor today and McCormack is wasted playing wider, not the position for him at all. It's through the centre of not at all. Gabby getting a run out, well, what to say, he's a c*** who should never play for us again. He's burnt his bridges and can fuck off the fat piss taking lazy twat.
A good point because we were so poor, on to next week, we have to up the tempo in midfield, hopefully Bacuna is back (who thought we'd ever say that again?). 6 pts from the play offs, onwards and upwards.
The rags, the usual collection of sly, rag tag, niggling c***s to match their fans who crawled out of the woodwork for their world cup every 4 years. We're crap and you still can't beat us.
Can't disagree with you
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Was wondering what the consensus on Westwood would be, on the way home WM thought he had played well, but i agree with the opinions on here, i was struggling to think of anything he had done.
Baker was MOM for me, rarely lets you down in these kind of games, Chester and Amavi played well as well, although Amavi should have done better for their goal.The midfield need to keep the ball better, and use it better.Get better passes to our better players.Jedinek was solid, but all the midfield to me was too happy to just boot the ball away, instead of having a bit more belief in their abailities.
When they equalised, i actually thought we played better.Poor free kick from McCormack in the last minute, but a opoint at St A is about where we are atm.
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McCormack looks like a very expensive mistake to me.
McCormack looks like a player bought with no thought to how he was going to fit in to the team being assembled and that's because with Di Crappeo I don't think he did have an idea, he just bought some players who have scored goals. We essentially have McCormack, Ayew and Grealish all covering the one position. Stupid planning.
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I beg to differ. He was ineffective today but will come good ,hopefully shortly. Gardner apart from his goal didn't impress which is the norm. Jedinak had an excellent game (sorry Paul) by far and away our best player. A draw was probably the fairest result for both clubs.
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Hutton aside, Baker, Gollini, Chester and Amavi didn't look like they had a massive clanger in them, which is a big positive for us considering the keystone cops defending of the last few years.
It's such a shame that with all the money we spent we criminally neglected the midfield. We're one dynamic midfielder away from being able to link up the front to the back decently.
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McCormack will come good.
And we'd have lost today of Di Matteo was in charge. There's no doubt that we are making progress.
If any of our attackers play to their potential, we could hammer Blackburn next week.
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Unless we're 2 divisions up on the scrotes, a draw away must always be considered OK as they are always well up for it, it's their cup final. So yes, I'm pleased enough, especially considering we didn't really play that well.
Whereas before we were shit in possession and shit without possession, we are now only shit in possession so he's halfway there. That's the most organised we've looked for months and the players willingness to chase down was impressive. Westwood was pretty crap again, McCormack is out of position there so can't really be faulted. I think it was the only real sub he could do though at that point. Gabby looked interested and a little fitter than I expected but he did only do 15 mins.
So, undefeated, 8 points from 4 games including 2 derbies, much better. If he can make them more coherent in possession and improve the midfield in January the playoffs are possible.
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Good to see that we are developing some resilience, being difficult to beat is half the battle. If you take the local derby element out of it then a point away against a team pushing for the top 6 is a decent result. They were very direct and the two centre backs plus Jedinak were solid all game in standing up to it.
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Hutton aside, Baker, Gollini, Chester and Amavi didn't look like they had a massive clanger in them, which is a big positive for us considering the keystone cops defending of the last few years.
It's such a shame that with all the money we spent we criminally neglected the midfield. We're one dynamic midfielder away from being able to link up the front to the back decently.
Exactly. RDM has a lot to answer for there. Jedinak did OK at what he's supposed to do but there's little technique and creativity in there. It looks like an average championship midfield. Even if we sort that out in January it could be too late for this season.
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McCormack looks like a very expensive mistake to me.
McCormack looks like a player bought with no thought to how he was going to fit in to the team being assembled and that's because with Di Crappeo I don't think he did have an idea, he just bought some players who have scored goals. We essentially have McCormack, Ayew and Grealish all covering the one position. Stupid planning.
Agree with this and I can only really see McCormack playing in the 'number 10' position, which we aren't employing at the moment.
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Happy to come away with a point, a complete lack of quality throughout the game. The game cried out for someone to put a foot on the ball & look up.
Gollini - had nothing to do
Hutton - a Birmingham City player if ever I saw one.
Amarvi - in the team because of his quality but was very poor with the ball
Chester - MOTM
Baker - won most things in the air
Jedinak - protected the back four well. Best display to date.
Gardener - nice goal but no quality
Westwood - I'm no fan but gets blamed, by some, for everything.
Ayew - flatters to deceive, too casual
McCormack - a luxury but wasted out wide. Could have made a difference if played in his best position.
Kodija - got no service. Knobbled twice by Shotton.
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Re Westwood, the only times he did get involved he fucked it up. Firstly not hitting the target when the keeper was miles out (incidentally, surely Adomah was fouled there) and then doing a crappy floaty dink instead of playing the man in when he was gifted the ball. He's crap.
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Hutton aside, Baker, Gollini, Chester and Amavi didn't look like they had a massive clanger in them, which is a big positive for us considering the keystone cops defending of the last few years.
It's such a shame that with all the money we spent we criminally neglected the midfield. We're one dynamic midfielder away from being able to link up the front to the back decently.
Exactly. RDM has a lot to answer for there. Jedinak did OK at what he's supposed to do but there's little technique and creativity in there. It looks like an average championship midfield. Even if we sort that out in January it could be too late for this season.
I think the division is so poor on quality that just by us being organised and committed we can pick up enough points to still be in contention and then can't right the wrongs of Di Matteo's brain dead reign.
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I'm sure Mr Bruce has already identified the need for midfield reinforcements in January. Westwood was fucking shite as usual.
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We're all in a giant escort being marched fuck knows where. My cars the other way!
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We're all in a giant escort being marched fuck knows where. My cars the other way!
Disgraceful.
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Hung on for a point. Westwood is the new Heskey. Welcome back
Gabby. Next.
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Now being held under a bridge. Honestly there's not a Nose in sight. This is beyond a joke.
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Gollini and Chester impressed me today.
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100 minutes since the game finished and still in a police queue
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Jedinak MOM for me. Centre halves were quality too.
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Have they told anyone where they are taking them to and why?
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Now being held under a bridge. Honestly there's not a Nose in sight. This is beyond a joke.
What right have they got to do that legally speaking? You wouldn't accept being restrained for no reason in many other situations.
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Now being held under a bridge. Honestly there's not a Nose in sight. This is beyond a joke.
I'm hearing they're taking you to New Street.
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Now being held under a bridge. Honestly there's not a Nose in sight. This is beyond a joke.
I'm hearing they're taking you to New Street.
And then what? Some indivduals would have come by car and have to go back and get them. Talk about going back into the lions den. Crazy. Might help if the police may it clear what the after match arrnagements were so fans could plan accordingly
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Now being held under a bridge. Honestly there's not a Nose in sight. This is beyond a joke.
I'm hearing they're taking you to New Street.
Or to Rocky Lane to re-enact the great battle for a new reality TV show.
On second thoughts,the destination might be Burlington Arcade.
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WMP not know for being intelligent.
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Now being held under a bridge. Honestly there's not a Nose in sight. This is beyond a joke.
I'm hearing they're taking you to New Street.
And then what? Some indivduals would have come by car and have to go back and get them. Talk about going back into the lions den. Crazy. Might help if the police may it clear what the after match arrnagements were so fans could plan accordingly
I thought the Police cheif said eralier in the week they would be constantly in dialogue letting fans know what's happening?
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Westwood was his usual anonymous self. That might have been the worst display I have ever seen by a RB from Hutton. Absolutely horrific in every way. It was literally like he's played up front all his life and just before KO the manager told him he'd be playing RB.
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Westwood was his usual anonymous self. That might have been the worst display I have ever seen by a RB from Hutton. Absolutely horrific in every way. It was literally like he's played up front all his life and just before KO the manager told him he'd be playing RB.
Westwood stood and watched in the incident where they hit the bar - typical. Agree Hutton was abysmal - typical. Agbonlahor ran about like a maniac - untypical as he doesn't usually bother.
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It's disgusting that people are still being detained. They could've kept home fans behind for ten minutes and the entire stadium would've emptied in an orderly fashion.
Those being kettled should complain to the police, their MP and the Villa, in the hope that they are involved in security talks before the next time we play there.
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the obvious , Gollini , Chester , Baker and Jedi all had good games. Hutton always has a clanger in his locker even at this level , RMC was just a waste in that position and Westwood needs to move onto Coventry ASAP. The rest were pretty meh except for GG stunning header .
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Baker, Chester & Jedinak were very good although had Donaldson not conjured the Miss of the season from a foot out I'm sure we'd have been asking a few questions :-)
Ayew yet again the great enigma, after 15 months I still can't work out if he is a good player or one who completely imbalances a team? Answers on a postcard....
Felt as a team we spent far too much of the game too deep & just hacking it clear for Kodjia to chase, very one dimensional.
McCormack and Jack behind Kodjia next week with Bacuna, Jedinak & Gardner in centre, although I wasn't 100% anti-Westwood today, thought he closed down opponents well but the one opportunity he had to make impact going forwards he played that stupid loopy ball forwards rather than give Kodjia a simple pass on the floor.
Having Gardner to score anytime helped my mood too :-)
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Having spent an eternity in the police escort they decided to just dump everyone at Duddeston station about 15 minutes ago.
No further help other than "get on the train".
Highlight in the escort were noses proudly defending McDonalds and shouting naughty words from behind the coppers.
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I think Bruce decided to get the midfield to sit far to deep in the second half leaving Kodjia isolated and meaning every time the ball was cleared it came straight back. I hope this is lesson learned.
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Typical Derby - high on intensity and low on quality. All in all, not a bad point.
We look more like a team than we have for ages after just a few weeks of Bruce in charge - I think we can be hopeful for the future.
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Sorry to all the folk being detained by the police. You did us proud on the telly for what its worth. I know its stating the obvious, but Hutton is so bad, easy looking challenges he loses, other ones, goes into them like a bull in a china shop. Thought we got away with it today, never got going, but the momentum is continuing.
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Funny how we watch the same match and see it differently. I suppose that's the beauty of football.
I felt the most comfortable in that match than for a number of years. I don't know what it was but I just couldn't see us losing.
They had some chances and a couple of goalmouth scrambles but I didn't feel as though they seriously threatened. We didn't play particularly well but did enough to get a point.
Generally agree with others on their assessments of the players. Jedinak was MOTM for me. Very solid and kept it simple. Comments about needing Gestede's physicality miss the point that he his not a physical player. He is a nuisance because of his height but gets knocked off the ball too easily. Also, he doesn't close players down.
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It was a MON type performance
Function over style. 451. When in doubt put it over the top. Not good to watch but you'll compete in the top half of this league playing like that
Can't see how we can accommodate Jedinak and McCormack in the same team unless we play a diamond
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Highlights (http://www.skysports.com/football/birmham-vs-a-villa/358279)
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A couple of other things;
I thought Ayew was a bit unlucky to get booked.
Shotton a dirty git.
The injury to their guy at the end looked really bad from an innocuous minor collision with Rudi Gestede.
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A decent point away from home, but I was disappointed we didn't show more intent.
Our midfield is still our biggest concern and I thought westwood was piss poor again.
I can't help thinking that while we look a bit more solid, it's all build on sand. We are still very fragile and it's going to take a few months, with consistent results before we can have confidence that we really on the right path.
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Look at the tits with/on Martin O'Neill
https://twitter.com/AVFCLife/status/792762010220032000
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Shotton did Kodjia on purpose and put him out the game.
I was very disappointed in Kodjia today. Early on he looked as if he might have the beating of their defence, but once Shotton hurt him the second time his focus was exclusively on keeping out of harm's way.
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If ayew and adomah are out next week, it will be interesting how we set up
McCormack and grealish are both good replacements but I can't really see how you get them both into the side unless you weaken the midfield
I guess maybe a diamond?:
Jedinak
Bacuna Gardner
Grealish
Kodjia McCormack
Bloody narrow though. Requires a lot of the full backs. Maybe Bacuna should play right back
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Was it really cold today? Ayew and Amavi were both wearing gloves.
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Shotton did Kodjia on purpose and put him out the game.
I was very disappointed in Kodjia today. Early on he looked as if he might have the beating of their defence, but once Shotton hurt him the second time his focus was exclusively on keeping out of harm's way.
He also does that annoying back heel thing which normally results in us giving the ball away
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Was it really cold today? Ayew and Amavi were both wearing gloves.
And Rudy
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Considering we played with ten men throughout the match (Westwood doesn't count and then 9 men for the last 15 minutes (with Gabby introduced) I thought it was a decent point. There's a lot of work to do on something really simple though - possession of the football.
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We got up the island where Morriarty's is and eventually hundreds of us just pushed left through the escort.
They were taking us right back to Aston. Fucking morons. All those police, time and effort because there was a couple hundred Noses in a pub.
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A couple of other things;
I thought Ayew was a bit unlucky to get booked.
Shotton a dirty git.
The injury to their guy at the end looked really bad from an innocuous minor collision with Rudi Gestede.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37816041
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Ayew's booking was a joke. No way he fouled their player intentionally. If that's the case Shotton and their keeper should've got yellows. Annoying that Jordan will now miss the Blackburn game.
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Good point that. It wasn't pretty but did we expect another 5-1? Jedinak and Baker were great today, I hope this is a turning point for Jedinak. I don't understand the vitriol towards Westwood, he often is lightweight and anonymous, but I thought he had a decent game today, if anything Gardener was the weak link in midfield, goal aside.
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The attendance was 25,696.
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Considering we played with ten men throughout the match (Westwood doesn't count and then 9 men for the last 15 minutes (with Gabby introduced) I thought it was a decent point. There's a lot of work to do on something really simple though - possession of the football.
Gabby -for all his many, many faults- actually played with a bit of balls when he came on and changed the momentum somewhat. Should he be anywhere near selection after the last few years is a different argument.
Westwood was...eh, consistent. If you play three in midfield and one of that three is Westwood, it's effectively a two-man midfield. He barely even provides nuisance value.
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Jedi and westy played well today. Didn't think I'd be typing that
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Agree on both points, KG.
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Apparently Rowlett is complaining that Kodija was wasting time by freigning injury, called it embarrassing.
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Jedi and westy played well today. Didn't think I'd be typing that
Jedi did indeed have a good game but his pass to Hutton was a shocker and nearly cost us dear.
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100 minutes since the game finished and still in a police queue
Just think of the lovely overtime payments they're organising by delaying you.
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If I had to isolate one thing that would massively change this team it would be to get a decent central midfield playmaker in. We badly struggle to dictate the tempo of a game and that all comes from the midfield.
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Only saw the 2nd half but it looked like a full bloodied local derby. Welcome back Gabby. As has been mentioned beat Blackburn and Bruce's record for the first 5 games will look very decent indeed.
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If I had to isolate one thing that would massively change this team it would be to get a decent central midfield playmaker in. We badly struggle to dictate the tempo of a game and that all comes from the midfield.
Very true. Until Gabby came on, the only player that would actually run at them was Hutton. It's a shame we don't have anybody in midfield that can run at the opposition with the ball. It terrifies teams and opens up the space for strikers.
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The game suited it's Sunday lunchtime slot - pub football at it's worst, so hardly surprising the atmosphere felt so flat.
And standing behind the away end for nearly an hour was a mind-numbingly boring as the game itself. I think the police plan is to piss off away fans so much that we won't want to bother next time.
Thankfully we managed to break out of the escort down the first side street, although the police stopped those behind us who tried to follow, and got to the car - only to sit in traffic that wasn't moving because of the the police taking the Villa fans on a tour.
We got home from Preston quicker!
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Apparently Rowlett is complaining that Kodija was wasting time by freigning injury, called it embarrassing.
I wouldn't take it upon myself to argue against that.
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He clearly wasn't faking injury. He has a cast on his arm now, the dirty bastards. 😠
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Apparently Rowlett is complaining that Kodija was wasting time by freigning injury, called it embarrassing.
I wouldn't take it upon myself to argue against that.
Me either. A grown man writhing on the floor like a toddler who's dropped something heavy on his foot. It's not for me. More than once the game was continuing apace with him lying on the floor like he'd been shot.
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If I had to isolate one thing that would massively change this team it would be to get a decent central midfield playmaker in. We badly struggle to dictate the tempo of a game and that all comes from the midfield.
Very true. Until Gabby came on, the only player that would actually run at them was Hutton. It's a shame we don't have anybody in midfield that can run at the opposition with the ball. It terrifies teams and opens up the space for strikers.
In hindsight, mind boggling that we didn't spend money on such a pivotal position in the summmer. Presumably they thought jack would step up.
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Shotton did Kodjia on purpose and put him out the game.
I was very disappointed in Kodjia today. Early on he looked as if he might have the beating of their defence, but once Shotton hurt him the second time his focus was exclusively on keeping out of harm's way.
Thought the same, we needed a direct option up top in the second half to hold it up and get us up the pitch. He was getting to the ball first but overplayed it constantly and getting bullied by as poor a player as Shotton was galling.
Obviously a very accomplished footballer but might be a bit on a sunshine individual. Thought he went MIA a bit in the second half against Wolves too.
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The way I saw the game: Jedi-MOM, Chester + Baker-solid but we still seemed to panic in our own penalty area. Gardener-other than a superb goal did nothing, Westwood-his usual, contributed the square root of sweet FA. Gestede-came on, fell over the ball a couple of times-par for the course. McCormack-played out of position, I still think he is one of our more intelligent players when played correctly. Hutton-accident waiting to happen and, never thought I would say this but, Gabby looked up for the challenge and I'd probably consider him as an impact player in the last 20 minutes of a match.
PS:Gloves should be left to the prima donnas in the Premier League and, certainly not be worn on a mild autumn day.
Overall, I was a Blose fan, I'd have been disappointed with a point as they certainly missed two absolute sitters!!
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It took me less time to get home from Preston. Even the Police said it was ridiculous but the one copper with the handlebar mustache and a microphone was a gem, he was loving it...... My favourite was if you press against or any movement towards the police line Force will get used. This was after 60 minutes in the ground, to then to be walked to the road then another 15 minutes wait then marched with no coherent plan at all. Get to an island with even the police wondering what the next move was.... I was told it was as they had a briefing about the violence at West Ham and it was the "we are West Mids Police" we will show them how to police a game....
As for the football typical Derby....
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That should read, if I was a Blose fan by the way-doh!!
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Apparently Rowlett is complaining that Kodija was wasting time by freigning injury, called it embarrassing.
That twat of a pundit said it was perfectly fine for a defender to knee a forward in the back to get leverage for a header.
Rowett clearly has tickets on himself, giving it the proper Billy Big Bollocks post game. If he was that good, he wouldn't have just spent two years in the footballing wilderness.
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If I had to isolate one thing that would massively change this team it would be to get a decent central midfield playmaker in. We badly struggle to dictate the tempo of a game and that all comes from the midfield.
Very true. Until Gabby came on, the only player that would actually run at them was Hutton. It's a shame we don't have anybody in midfield that can run at the opposition with the ball. It terrifies teams and opens up the space for strikers.
In hindsight, mind boggling that we didn't spend money on such a pivotal position in the summmer. Presumably they thought jack would step up.
I'm not sure Jack is even the type of player I mean. He's a creative force when he's on form, but I'm not sure he dictates the game from the middle of the park.
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Sounds like a typical quality local derby in the Championship. Not seen much as been away.
It's out the way, we got a point, roll on next match.
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That was a God awful game, there was no one on the field who had the nouse to control the ball and pass it, everything was simply hoofed up the field, I can understand it from them but we should have been better, thats two points dropped.
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Baker, Chester & Jedinak were very good although had Donaldson not conjured the Miss of the season from a foot out I'm sure we'd have been asking a few questions :-)
Ayew yet again the great enigma, after 15 months I still can't work out if he is a good player or one who completely imbalances a team? Answers on a postcard....
Felt as a team we spent far too much of the game too deep & just hacking it clear for Kodjia to chase, very one dimensional.
McCormack and Jack behind Kodjia next week with Bacuna, Jedinak & Gardner in centre, although I wasn't 100% anti-Westwood today, thought he closed down opponents well but the one opportunity he had to make impact going forwards he played that stupid loopy ball forwards rather than give Kodjia a simple pass on the floor.
Having Gardner to score anytime helped my mood too :-)
I wasn't too gone on Chester and Baker myself. Chester gave Donaldson far too much respect I thought while that error at the end sums Baker up. If a centre half leaves his station to attack a ball in the left back position he simply has to win it or at worst stop the forward heading it. Baker did neither leaving a massive gap behind him that better players would have punished.
Gollini and Jedinak were excellent, Amavi much more aggressive than usual. All others were average. Gabby's recent six pack photos look doctored based on the evidence of his wobbly frame today but he made a big difference upon his introduction.
Not a good day on the sideline for Bruce, awful change bringing in McCormack for Adamoah and failed to check the blues momentum until after the inevitably scored.
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Who were those people in our away end? I refuse to believe that was our away support; quietest away end we've had anywhere in the last ten years, never mind at Blues. Twitter is full of how crap our support was.
Ironic that the noses are saying it was crap though as they'll be back to 16,000 next home game. Their support was poor aswell for the most part, they were loud at the start and for 5 minutes after they scored. After we scored you could have heard a pin drop which is when I thought we'd take the piss, but nothing.
On the pitch they should have won. We were very poor going forward and lacked ideas, there's no creativity in that midfield.
I thought we defended well though on the whole, Baker and Chester look solid.
Jedinak was superb. His best game for us by a mile.
We will still finish above them comfortably come the end of the season.
UTV
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Rowett is slowly becoming like many of his predecessors. Moaning and whinging about not having our access to money, how their team show all the heart and character bla bla bla. They still haven't fcukin beaten us in two games where 1. We've arguably had our worst team ever out and 2. When they've been six points clear of us in a really inferior league.
Talking of inferior they still have that complex in spades. They really fcuk you off with this 'we can't compete with these big money Villa bastards'. Just deal with it turds. I thought form went out the window in a Derby? Which story is convenient this week?
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25,000 for a derby? Pathetic, some real morons in their portions of the stadium from the tv pictures. A bunch of loser saddos.
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1 point away in the Derby not a bad result they won't be happy which is not a bad thing, I noticed Ayew slipped a lot when we were trying to break problem with right boots?
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If I had to isolate one thing that would massively change this team it would be to get a decent central midfield playmaker in. We badly struggle to dictate the tempo of a game and that all comes from the midfield.
Very true. Until Gabby came on, the only player that would actually run at them was Hutton. It's a shame we don't have anybody in midfield that can run at the opposition with the ball. It terrifies teams and opens up the space for strikers.
In hindsight, mind boggling that we didn't spend money on such a pivotal position in the summmer. Presumably they thought jack would step up.
I'm not sure Jack is even the type of player I mean. He's a creative force when he's on form, but I'm not sure he dictates the game from the middle of the park.
We need a player like Archie Gemmill.Unfortunately that type of player does not exist anymore.
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Rowett has massive chips on both shoulders. A limited manager will see his team slide down the League come January and February when injuries and suspensions bite. Rowett obviously envious of Villa's spending power from his comments. Disappointed with Kevin Phillips with his bluenose preference - 'we' will do this etc.,
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Rowett is slowly becoming like many of his predecessors. Moaning and whinging about not having our access to money, how their team show all the heart and character bla bla bla. They still haven't fcukin beaten us in two games where 1. We've arguably had our worst team ever out and 2. When they've been six points clear of us in a really inferior league.
Talking of inferior they still have that complex in spades. They really fcuk you off with this 'we can't compete with these big money Villa bastards'. Just deal with it turds. I thought form went out the window in a Derby? Which story is convenient this week?
It's always a moral victory for the Blues if the result doesn't go the way they want it to.
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Gollini - good saves and dealing with crosses. He seems to be growing in confidence. 8
Hutton - not bad at all apart from the fuck up. But it was a seriously bad fuck up. 5
Amavi - l like him but that was one of his poorest games. 5
Baker - very solid. 7
Chester - good again. 8
Jedinak- best performance yet. 7
Gardner - good goal, never went missing. 7
Westwood - failed to score when he had the opportunity, often went missing. 5
Ayew - had a couple of decent runs but has had better days. Good cross for the goal though. 6
Kodjia - worst performance yet, kept miscontrolling it. 4
Adomah - n/a
McCormack- some decent touches but tried to do too much, running into players when a simple pass would've done. 5
Agbonlahor - n/a
Gestede - n/a
Agree with most, but:
Amavi 5? Wow!!
Kodjia 4? Didn't help that Shotten kicked, kneed or whatever else every time the ball came to him.
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Rowett is slowly becoming like many of his predecessors. Moaning and whinging about not having our access to money, how their team show all the heart and character bla bla bla. They still haven't fcukin beaten us in two games where 1. We've arguably had our worst team ever out and 2. When they've been six points clear of us in a really inferior league.
Talking of inferior they still have that complex in spades. They really fcuk you off with this 'we can't compete with these big money Villa bastards'. Just deal with it turds. I thought form went out the window in a Derby? Which story is convenient this week?
Great rant, Kippax but I couldn't help agree with everything he said. He has far too much dignity and common sense for those rats.
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Bruce has made us harder to beat and defence looked solid for the most part.Jedinek finally looked decent but he is still pretty poor on the ball and the midfield today as so one paced , lacked ability control the game and do very little to support the attackers.
Westwood actually looks worse at this level as the extra physically of the league exposes how lightweight he is in there overall come the transfer window I expect Bruce to attempt to address the MF issues
Bacuna is out for 3 weeks I have seen reported so unfortunately apart from bringing in Tshibola our options there are limited
Attackers left too isolated today and we are relying on individual skill rather than team work to create anything , Adomah going off did't help.RMC is wasted out wide and you really have to conclude at this point that spending 15mil on a midfielder or midfielders would have been of more benefit to us.
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Bacuna out for three weeks
Bruce praising Westwood
I just can't agree he was a five and Gardner a 7. It's just bias
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It's like when the smaller boxer steps up against the bigger boxer, even when they get knocked out they get a little kudos for stepping up to the challenge. It's the sign of being inferior when you actually roll out size and power as the excuse why anything other than anihilation is acceptable and a moral victory.
Two shit teams out there today but they're on the inevitable seasonal slide down and we are on the slow climb up, I'd expect us to be 6-10 pts clear of them at the end of the season at least.
Rowett I pointed out when we beat them last season comes across as a knob. He talks like some managerial, tactical mastermind, who studies his art and comes up with plans for his inferior side against giants every week. The truth is a good portion of rags fans constantly complain about him and I suspect when he gets a bigger gig and has to play more than agricultural in yer face effort ball he will get found out.
Doesn't excuse us today though, we basically played with 9 men, or 8 and a moron in Hutton.
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Rowett is slowly becoming like many of his predecessors. Moaning and whinging about not having our access to money, how their team show all the heart and character bla bla bla. They still haven't fcukin beaten us in two games where 1. We've arguably had our worst team ever out and 2. When they've been six points clear of us in a really inferior league.
Talking of inferior they still have that complex in spades. They really fcuk you off with this 'we can't compete with these big money Villa bastards'. Just deal with it turds. I thought form went out the window in a Derby? Which story is convenient this week?
Great rant, Kippax but I couldn't help agree with everything he said. He has far too much dignity and common sense for those rats.
No, disagree, Rowett is small time with his envy of Villa's spending power. Glad he didn't get anywhere near the job as our manager. He's gone down big time in my estimation.
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Rowett is slowly becoming like many of his predecessors. Moaning and whinging about not having our access to money, how their team show all the heart and character bla bla bla. They still haven't fcukin beaten us in two games where 1. We've arguably had our worst team ever out and 2. When they've been six points clear of us in a really inferior league.
Talking of inferior they still have that complex in spades. They really fcuk you off with this 'we can't compete with these big money Villa bastards'. Just deal with it turds. I thought form went out the window in a Derby? Which story is convenient this week?
Great rant, Kippax but I couldn't help agree with everything he said. He has far too much dignity and common sense for those rats.
True but it made me feel better....
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Pleased it's over, will accept the away point,looking forward to the next game.
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We got up the island where Morriarty's is and eventually hundreds of us just pushed left through the escort.
They were taking us right back to Aston. Fucking morons. All those police, time and effort because there was a couple hundred Noses in a pub.
Don't be ungrateful. It's all done for your safety and comfort, them being experts in crowd control. And if anything did go wrong, you can rest assured they'll be open and honest.
Just ask the families of the Hillsborough victims.
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Rowett is slowly becoming like many of his predecessors. Moaning and whinging about not having our access to money, how their team show all the heart and character bla bla bla. They still haven't fcukin beaten us in two games where 1. We've arguably had our worst team ever out and 2. When they've been six points clear of us in a really inferior league.
Talking of inferior they still have that complex in spades. They really fcuk you off with this 'we can't compete with these big money Villa bastards'. Just deal with it turds. I thought form went out the window in a Derby? Which story is convenient this week?
Great rant, Kippax but I couldn't help agree with everything he said. He has far too much dignity and common sense for those rats.
No, disagree, Rowett is small time with his envy of Villa's spending power. Glad he didn't get anywhere near the job as our manager. He's gone down big time in my estimation.
I'm sure he along with every Championship manager envy our spending power. Nothing small time about it. He more than realises he's working for a small time club and duly pointed out how a rag bag outfit like his have to get by on only hard work and desire. He's full of praise for Bruce but he's rightly proud of what he's achieving at that shit hole. And so he should be.
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They have a rich history of having some absolute donkeys upfront, Clayton Donaldson is every bit a Blues player, his two misses and marking for our goal would have made Kevin Francis proud.
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Bizarrely the noses are saying we didn't sell our allocation even though it went in a couple of hours....and people were willing to pay £100s for them since. They really are as thick as pigshit.
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Rowett: Kippaxvilla2 and I can see it, some people can't...
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Rowett is slowly becoming like many of his predecessors. Moaning and whinging about not having our access to money, how their team show all the heart and character bla bla bla. They still haven't fcukin beaten us in two games where 1. We've arguably had our worst team ever out and 2. When they've been six points clear of us in a really inferior league.
Talking of inferior they still have that complex in spades. They really fcuk you off with this 'we can't compete with these big money Villa bastards'. Just deal with it turds. I thought form went out the window in a Derby? Which story is convenient this week?
It's always a moral victory for the Blues if the result doesn't go the way they want it to.
The DVDs of their latest 'achievement' are being burned as we type.
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Bizarrely the noses are saying we didn't sell our allocation even though it went in a couple of hours....and people were willing to pay £100s for them since. They really are as thick as pigshit.
The truth and the noses version of the truth are always poles apart when it comes to football. A bigger buch of saddo fantasists you'll never come across. Theyre a small cult.
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Apparently there were 1988 Villa fans there so the dumb ass noses assume we didn't sell out rather than 12 people either didn't bother going or got nicked beforehand etc
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A decent hard earned point which I would have settled for before the game. The one thing that concerns me is with all our firepower we have upfront, we don't look like creating much. I'm really dissapointed that Tshibola is not in favour under the new regime as he has impressed me so far with his energy in midfield as is far more effective than Westwood. After a very iffy start to his Villa career Jedinak is now starting to look the part, won a lot of ball today and broke up attacks which is what we have lacked since Delph left.
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We're all in a giant escort being marched fuck knows where. My cars the other way!
Disgraceful.
Going to that place is like going back in time to the 70's and how football was then. I thought the police did very well today and obviously had a plan to stop the St Andrews throwbacks causing any problems.
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Watching it on the box I can say 'the Jed' was immense. I called Gabby's inclusion last week to my mate on the basis that if he came on for the last 15 and scored the slate would have been wiped clean and his latest escapades forgiven, he looked hungry in my opinion, good managership from Bruce if you ask me. I can't enjoy those matches but I'd take the point, Blackburn on sat and then back to Australia. VTID
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If the Small Heath apes loved their own club half as much as they hate their superior neighbours, they might have a club to be proud of. Instead they are consumed with bitterness and jealousy, and it will forever gnaw away at their rotten, god forsaken souls.
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Was never going to be pretty and sure enough it wasn't. Never seemed much space out there for anyone, and we seemed to get deeper and deeper in midfield.
Forwards need to hold it up an awful lot better to help us get up the pitch. We need Tish in Midfield of that 3, not one is creative enough or has the drive to get forward and make things happen.
Horrible game, decent point. Didn't think they were too good at all...just seemed to want to hoof if upfield a lot. Let them have their "we deserved it more" "you've wasted money" etc etc...I can see why they have now just got 2 points from the last 4 games with Huddersfield away next up.
We'll finish well above them...we're only going to get better.....
Oh and Rowett....that interview was truly embarrassing..
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I know football is all about scoring goals, but I thought Gardner was poor today. Had he not scored, he'd be getting some usual criticism on here I think.
Regarding Kodjia, he clearly has some skills, but he needs to learn when he has to pass the ball. He can't do it all himself.
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Watching it on the box I can say 'the Jed' was immense. I called Gabby's inclusion last week to my mate on the basis that if he came on for the last 15 and scored the slate would have been wiped clean and his latest escapades forgiven, he looked hungry in my opinion, good managership from Bruce if you ask me. I can't enjoy those matches but I'd take the point, Blackburn on sat and then back to Australia. VTID
Really? I thought he looked a decent auxiliary centre back but still treated the ball like nuclear waste.
If we are to do something this year we need an upgrade in Jan.
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I've heard it all now I'm sat in a pub behind enemy lines. I overheard a conversation between two donkeys. On mentioning that Darren Carter was playing at the Moors last week for Forest Green, donkey two announced proudly 'I named my son after him....'Darren? No fcukin Carter. Poor kid.
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I think man city took 8 to 9 nine thousand to old Trafford in the week, night game and all that,
I'm sure there were incidents but the local plod didn't collectively shit their pants like our lot
if Brucey somehow gets us promoted this season we are going to need about 10 new players because that team won't last 5 minutes in the prem,
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I thought their bloke with the stupid hair played Kodjia well. He got stuck into him and didn't allow him space. Kodjia was isolated though and had very little support.
Adomah going off was a blow as they'd have struggled with his pace. McCormack has been nothing short of 'meh' since he signed, where's the player who was at Fulham?!
Still baffled as to why our support was so crap aswell. In fact only Ipswich away this season has it not really been a case of "sing when we're winning". That game was awful but we sang incessantly second half. Every other game we've been fairly quiet when we haven't been winning which is not how we used to be. Let's get back to our vocal best at Brighton.
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A Second tier derby with two sides lacking in genuine quality was always going to be an absolute pisser to watch. That was to be expected. It was a tight game. The had home advantage but I thought we did well and limited to them to only a few chances. Chester played well. Jedinak was excellent today. Our best player, though I'd say Shotton was man of the match overall.
If we've learned anything from today, it's that we need another midfielder. We need someone with a bit of composure, a football brain and someone with some technical quality to dictate the pace of the game. Jedinak is good at what he does. Gardner was okay, and if he can score the odd goal, he brings something as a midfielder who can break into the box. Westwood is piss. We can't play 3 slow midfielders in a three. It's got to be a three for want of having decent enough players for a two, but one of the three needs to be mobile, which is why we missed Bacuna today. Westwood is a ghost. I've never known a Villa player in my 27 years of watching, who disappears as consistently as Westwood. Non-existent.
McCormack will struggle under Bruce. I don't see Bruce playing a style or system that will get the best of him. He came into a three up top system, on the right handside and looked lost. The only point during the game he looked remotely like making something happen was when Gestede had come on, and he came in field and Gabby went on the right. I don't think he could adapt to becoming a midfielder instead either as he's not fit enough.
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In defence of McCormack, he's definitely not a right winger
And he is definitely not light of weight!
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A draw was fair, though they had the better chances. Kodjia needs someone right next to him.
At last a game that kicked off on a decent time for you Nik! Anyway i am in Tokyo in November staying 4 nights including Friday and Saturday so hope to run into you?
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He clearly wasn't faking injury. He has a cast on his arm now, the dirty bastards. 😠
Shhhh...did we make sure it's different colour from the one he had last week?
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We got up the island where Morriarty's is and eventually hundreds of us just pushed left through the escort.
They were taking us right back to Aston. Fucking morons. All those police, time and effort because there was a couple hundred Noses in a pub.
They obviously knew, with their superior knowledge of rail lines, that you can catch a train from Duddeston back to Aston. Flipping idiots!
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One more plus is that we already have more points than total of last season.
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That was a God awful game, there was no one on the field who had the nouse to control the ball and pass it, everything was simply hoofed up the field, I can understand it from them but we should have been better, thats two points dropped.
I could use those exact words for my son's game this afternoon. That was Cheltenham Under 13 League Division 2 though.
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Disappointed we couldn't beat what I would call a classy pub team but we didn't lose to them which would have been a nightmare. Bit like Wimbledon drawing at Leeds in the cup.
Under RDM we would played a more attractive game and lost that's for sure.
I am still concerned that we don't have what I would call a goal scorer at this level. McCormack can't see the point of him right at the moment. As for Fat arse, apart from his very first touch looked more like a SHA player just trying to provoke and kick people.
Another season at this level is starting to look on the cards.
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We're all in a giant escort being marched fuck knows where. My cars the other way!
Disgraceful.
Going to that place is like going back in time to the 70's and how football was then. I thought the police did very well today and obviously had a plan to stop the St Andrews throwbacks causing any problems.
No the police didn't do very well today at all. When I pay to attend a match I expect to be able to leave at the end. Not kept in for a miserable hour.
Deal with those that cause trouble when they do, instead of spoiling the ocassion for those wanting to watch football.
Most of us are quite capable of walking out of a ground and ignoring any brain dead morons who want to jump up down trying to look threatening behind police lines. And have the common sense to avoid potential trouble spots if we want to.
Imagine if we all decided to stay in a ground for an hour after a game had finished - we'd soon be kicked out.
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If the Small Heath apes loved their own club half as much as they hate their superior neighbours, they might have a club to be proud of. Instead they are consumed with bitterness and jealousy, and it will forever gnaw away at their rotten, god forsaken souls.
Nothing summed up what they're all about more than their player running the length of the pitch to celebrate in front of our fans after scoring. Where else would you see that?
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When Gardner scored (and what a beauty) I got a sack of stick, as I'd moaned like a bastard about him and Westwood starting - but took my medicine with glee!
At 60 mins though, as we dropped deeper and deeper, lost the midfield and invited them onto us, I was horrified that he didn't change it. At that point I thought an equaliser was inevitable without a change, and that with that we would be hanging on. I was shitting it as Jedi dropped to what appeared as an auxiliary CH - but he was superb. I'm not one who delights in Westwoods short comings, but...urgh. I thought it had 2-1 written all over it. We were lucky. Kodjia looked out of it at that point, and I think I'd have switched Tish for Westwood, and Gabby for Kodjia at that point. Still, 1-1 when in the last few years we would so have lost that.
I think this game came at the wrong time for us. We needed the three points in the bigger picture, but ended up with one that we'd have taken even in better circumstances.
I reckon, given the progress made we might even tank the clowns at our place down the road, but for now, Mr Bruce is unbeaten.
Tonight I sleep well.
UTV!
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Disappointed we couldn't beat what I would call a classy pub team but we didn't lose to them which would have been a nightmare. Bit like Wimbledon drawing at Leeds in the cup.
Under RDM we would played a more attractive game and lost that's for sure.
I am still concerned that we don't have what I would call a goal scorer at this level. McCormack can't see the point of him right at the moment. As for Fat arse, apart from his very first touch looked more like a SHA player just trying to provoke and kick people.
Another season at this level is starting to look on the cards.
I really don't want another season in the championship and I definitely don't want this fixture again next season. Please get up Villa.
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Glad that's out the way. Let's continue to build on our decent start under Bruce now.
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Glad that's out the way. Let's continue to build on our decent start under Bruce now.
Summed up perfectly
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Watching it on the box I can say 'the Jed' was immense. I called Gabby's inclusion last week to my mate on the basis that if he came on for the last 15 and scored the slate would have been wiped clean and his latest escapades forgiven, he looked hungry in my opinion, good managership from Bruce if you ask me. I can't enjoy those matches but I'd take the point, Blackburn on sat and then back to Australia. VTID
It's getting up to 29c in Perth this week.
Awful eh? Say hello to Atwell when you get back.....
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Disappointed we couldn't beat what I would call a classy pub team but we didn't lose to them which would have been a nightmare. Bit like Wimbledon drawing at Leeds in the cup.
Under RDM we would played a more attractive game and lost that's for sure.
I am still concerned that we don't have what I would call a goal scorer at this level. McCormack can't see the point of him right at the moment. As for Fat arse, apart from his very first touch looked more like a SHA player just trying to provoke and kick people.
Another season at this level is starting to look on the cards.
I really don't want another season in the championship and I definitely don't want this fixture again next season. Please get up Villa.
Today's fix. There couldn't possibly be a winner for fear of the trouble it would cause? Doesn't exist right?
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Disappointed we couldn't beat what I would call a classy pub team but we didn't lose to them which would have been a nightmare. Bit like Wimbledon drawing at Leeds in the cup.
Under RDM we would played a more attractive game and lost that's for sure.
I am still concerned that we don't have what I would call a goal scorer at this level. McCormack can't see the point of him right at the moment. As for Fat arse, apart from his very first touch looked more like a SHA player just trying to provoke and kick people.
Another season at this level is starting to look on the cards.
I really don't want another season in the championship and I definitely don't want this fixture again next season. Please get up Villa.
Today's fix. There couldn't possibly be a winner for fear of the trouble it would cause? Doesn't exist right?
The boy is learning. How's the Sheaf? Re-creating the atmosphere of the San Siro?
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lol I haven't been there since our infamous throat throttling episode!
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lol I haven't been there since our infamous throat throttling episode!
At least you weren't a founder member of the bomb squad. Did you see the size of them compared to us? Jedinak had his best game.
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Today is a good result IF we beat Blackburn next week. That would represent a good solid start from Bruce and, dare I say it, promotion form.
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I've already stated our vocal support was poor, but their latest myth over on their SHA forum is that we didn't sell out our 2000 allocation. This despite the said 2000 allocation selling out after one day of being on sale. We take 5700 to Preston you cockwombles. They're all massive weapons on that forum, but the biggest one without a doubt has the username 'Gary Rowett'. The nonsense he comes out with is laughable, but of course they all lap it up.
They're going on about coaches again aswell, surprise surprise. All of us apparantly went by coach, which explains why we were all kept in the ground and then marched for miles in an escort. If we had all gone by coach then surely the police would have just put us back on to our coaches? It's a real head scratcher.
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If you are trying to reconcile Blues fans with rational thought I think you might be wasting your time.
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If you are trying to reconcile Blues fans with rational thought I think you might be wasting your time.
Well whatever we think of them they are miles better than Brummie reds whether Manu or Liverpool. It's those f*cker we should reserve our venom for IMO.
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Of course we sold our allocation, thats not even a genuine debate, for some reason that little section behind the goal was empty when Wolves went there too.
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Today is a good result IF we beat Blackburn next week. That would represent a good solid start from Bruce and, dare I say it, promotion form.
Today's result will not be made better or worse by our result against Blackburn. If we don't beat Bburn it will be a bad result regardless.
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Any SHA fan talking about ticket sales is on a very sticky wicket.
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It is cute how they're patting themselves on the back over their massive attendance. In reality the hardcore 15,000 they usually get should be pissed off at the other 8000 they got today because they only turned up to see us and won't go again all season.
This is where their "Vile spent all that money and couldn't beat us" jibes fall down. It's because they only get 15,000 at home that they can only attract crooks for owners and only sign players nobody has ever heard of. If they all turned up to support their team rather than only going to watch us then they would have more revenue and spend more money on players.
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From a guy on my sister's facebook feed:
Highlight of the day - Bluenose going mental at a 1 on 1 v Villa, only to then realise that it was a replay from 10 minutes earlier. Cue looking round sheepishly hoping no-one had noticed - the whole pub had.
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I'm not saying it was their cup final or anything but there's still 23,000 of them in the ground waiting for the players to return for penalties.
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I'm not saying it was their cup final or anything but there's still 23,000 of them in the ground waiting for the players to return for penalties.
Nicked.
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Thought we looked disorganised all day, the back four were solid enough even though Hutton is well past his use by date. Cannot understand him playing Westwood when Tish was available how successive managers give this guy game time is baffling. McCormack didn't score all those goals playing through midfield he needs to be close to goal or not on the pitch.
We had by far the more talented players on the pitch either they are not fit enough or they still have not come together as a team.
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I thought Amavi looked really good for the most part today.
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Bizarrely the noses are saying we didn't sell our allocation even though it went in a couple of hours....and people were willing to pay £100s for them since. They really are as thick as pigshit.
It sold out the night we played Barnsley on 27th September. The tickets went on sale to the next number of away games down at 5pm and we're sold out by 17:05.
The idea that we didn't sell 12 tickets in a month is moronic. They're likely just trolling, as even the crayon eaters aren't that thick.
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Danny Baker's tweeted about Gardner's goal celebration, how Pogba just wouldn't get it.
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If you go on the Villa Instagram page there's a picture of the front of the away end and the front two rows are cordoned off to avoid I presume a pitch invasion so would imagine that would account for the 12 or so empty seats.
No doubt on SHA forum they're spinning it that we couldn't sell out so had to section the seats off.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BML6FGqAHFk/?taken-by=avfcofficial
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Have I missed something? Did Blues actually win the game today? All I can see on twatter are their Directors and players backslapping each other about the result, the performance and how magnificent the crowd were.
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I'm glad Jedinak has finally turned up.
We just might have a midfield to keep us going until January.
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They're hilarious. They stuck on 10k today from Rotherham and they'll lose 10k for their next home game, the part time twats.
What the dip shits on Small Heath Alliance also fail to realise in their endless attempts to out Zulus one another, is that the Match Commander will see today's magical mystery tour as a success, so they can look forward to being locked in and being part of 2000 person escort in April as they're frog marched back to B9 whether they want to be or not.
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A bizzarre day for me. I was booked for matchday hospitality in the Jasper Carrott suite (I'm a magician ). It felt very strange working there , not to mention for this game !
To be fair , the staff were all lovely. The fans , by and large , were ok as well. It surprised me when the host asked half hour before kick off if there were any Villa fans in the room, there were a lot.
Warwickshire cricket players were there watching the game, and Ian bell and a young lad( I'm not a cricket fan so don't know his name -he was the one holding the trophy on the lap of honour )celebrated when we scored. Much to the rest of the suites displeasure. In particular the player liaison officer for Blues.
When they scored the equaliser one individual in particular wanted to come through the glass to get to the above two. In fairness , their security handled it well.
I thought it was a poor game. As the above post the front two rows of out allocation were left empty. I have a great pic of our fans, if I knew how to post on here I would ! There was a tier above our lot that was closed with advertising slogans.
I enjoyed the day but in a strange way!!
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Danny Baker's tweeted about Gardner's goal celebration, how Pogba just wouldn't get it.
He's quite rightly getting a load of stick as well, he's a bit of an arse is Baker.
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Reports of trouble and a stabbing at The Yenton pub in Erdington. Some saying Blues stormed the pub and attacked innocent bystanders including women, which wouldn't be a surprise as that's their style. Others saying it was Villa on Villa.
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Reports of trouble and a stabbing at The Yenton pub in Erdington. Some saying Blues stormed the pub and attacked innocent bystanders including women, which wouldn't be a surprise as that's their style. Others saying it was Villa on Villa.
Yeah let's all speculate.
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Can't see it being Blues. They were being locked inside a pub an hour and a half after the game.
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For the photo of above , in relation to our attendance , I've just posted the phot to my instagram "magicalowen". We were clearly sold out
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Reports of trouble and a stabbing at The Yenton pub in Erdington. Some saying Blues stormed the pub and attacked innocent bystanders including women, which wouldn't be a surprise as that's their style. Others saying it was Villa on Villa.
Think it's false. Met my Dad there around 3pm....was heaving with what I'd politely describe as old school Villa support and didn't see any problems but it's not really an area overflowing with SHA support and can't see that lot travelling that far for some sort of ambush.
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Unfortunately it's true I was in there in the backroom and we were locked in by police for about half an hour There were ambulance and police outside. Reports of people coming in with knives
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Unfortunately it's true I was in there in the backroom and we were locked in by police for about half an hour There were ambulance and police outside. Reports of people coming in with knives
What, right after the game finished? As I said I got there around 3 ish and it was lively but didn't look like world war 3 had just occurred given how busy it was.
Edit: Judging by some of the times of the pics on twitter looks like it kicked off around 4 ish so I was long gone at that point.
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Unfortunately it's true I was in there in the backroom and we were locked in by police for about half an hour There were ambulance and police outside. Reports of people coming in with knives
What, right after the game finished? As I said I got there around 3 ish and it was lively but didn't look like world war 3 had just occurred given how busy it was.
No it was later around 4ish
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Of course we sold our allocation, thats not even a genuine debate, for some reason that little section behind the goal was empty when Wolves went there too.
From what I could see on the TV, there was a small section where the Blues fans appeared to be seated above our fans. There were a few rows of our fans directly below them, but then the rows in front of them were empty. Guessing this was to prevent anything being thrown down rather than the ludicrous claim that we couldn't sell all our tickets.
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Overall I was pleased with the result and Gardners goal was fantastic. However, why do we continue to play long ball after long ball? It gets us nowhere and is responsible for us giving away a shitload of possession. We have the quality of players to play an along the floor passing game, no need to hoof it and hope, it clearly doesnt work.
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Why is Tish being overlooked?
Poor game is terms of quality today. Defensively we were ok, Jedinak was good defensively but the Villa midfield has all the creativity of an English spin bowler. A point was fair but we didn't play well today. Can't see Elphick getting back in to the side very quickly. Four unbeaten but we have to beat Blackburn next week.
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Piss poor performance today but it was tactical rather than being down to individuals. Some people will look at the lineup and see a 433 but that's not the shape we played. it was a 4141 and Kodjia suffered the consequences of it being kicked and pushed for 80 odd minutes (until Gabby came on and he moved to the left) with no protection from the ref and with us having no other option but to keep putting the ball in to him to take another one.
The heatmaps will show that the wide players were told that defensive shape was their priority so they stuck to their positions and created fuck all. In midfield it was almost as if they'd been told different things. Westwood was rushing out to close play and harry up the pitch (oh and for his detractors he won more tackles than any other villa player today, I'm not saying he played well, it's just that some of the vitriol he gets is plain ridiculous) but because no one else was closing they just passed it around him and launched it for their front pair to chase. Gardner by contrast sat and held his position just in front of Jedi and let them play in front of him. They need to be doing the same thing or we'll just look the disjointed mess we did for most of the game today.
I thought Gollini and defence were pretty solid although Hutton is still a liability and showed it.
When Adomah went off we really needed to either bring on Gestede and keep the same shape (with Kodjia going right) or mix it up and play RM as a 'false 9' and push Kodjia and Ayew to inside forward positions to pull their centre defenders around and create some gaps.
Final word for the ref, No idea how the midfielder wasn't given red for the Ayew challenge, no idea how Davis managed to kick Amavi all game and only got booked for taking his shirt off and no idea how Morrison got away with nothing for the 2 handed shove in Adomah's back that led to his injury, oh and I still can't work out what Ayew was booked for. Mike Dean - useless prick.
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Out of sheer curiosity and because I'll never bother watching one of their games, can someone tell me if any SHA players would be useful in our starting team?
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I wonder if/when they will work out there'll be empty seats in the away end when they visit VP as well due to reduced allocation. Reducing an allocation to 2000 on safety grounds doesn't mean away fans are in a section of just 2000 seats, it means there can be empty rows for some extra segregation, empty rows nearest the pitch to stop pitch invasions etc.
As for going on coaches, well we did have at least 10 or 12 there so we can't say much on that front.
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You said it was bizarre. It certainly sounds like it was !
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We look organized at least. Sadly we look unfit too and lack balance. I worry about the Brighton game
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The midfield remains unbalanced and more so when McCormick came on.it looked like we went to a 4-5-1
It needed changing as we were getting over run and the equaliser looked inevitable.
It came, we hung on.
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Went to a 451? We were 451 from the start I thought
Midfield much more solid now but we do lack quality. It really reminded me of a MoN team
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Was it me or does Mike Dean look like Jasper Carrot.?
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What's the score with Tshibola? We desperately need someone in the middle to link the play otherwise we can expect to be under the cosh like we were all second half. No one seemed to want to carry the ball away from the back four, so it was like playing against a brick wall.
We are also way short of fitness across the team - a RDM legacy - and this needs addressing as a priority. Second to too many balls and zero pace when we looked like we may counter, which was rare. Only Gabby offered this when he came on and I never thought I'd ever say that again!
Overall, a point gained. Lots to do.
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Was it me or does Mike Dean look like Jasper Carrot.?
No, it's definitely Mike Dean.
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A bizzarre day for me. I was booked for matchday hospitality in the Jasper Carrott suite (I'm a magician ). It felt very strange working there , not to mention for this game !
To be fair , the staff were all lovely. The fans , by and large , were ok as well. It surprised me when the host asked half hour before kick off if there were any Villa fans in the room, there were a lot.
Warwickshire cricket players were there watching the game, and Ian bell and a young lad( I'm not a cricket fan so don't know his name -he was the one holding the trophy on the lap of honour )celebrated when we scored. Much to the rest of the suites displeasure. In particular the player liaison officer for Blues.
When they scored the equaliser one individual in particular wanted to come through the glass to get to the above two. In fairness , their security handled it well.
I thought it was a poor game. As the above post the front two rows of out allocation were left empty. I have a great pic of our fans, if I knew how to post on here I would ! There was a tier above our lot that was closed with advertising slogans.
I enjoyed the day but in a strange way!!
Fair play to Ian Bell. Should be on his way to India when you see some of the filth in that England batting line-up.
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BBC Football page reporting along the lines of "Solihull-born Gardner... (ran) ...to the 1,988 visiting fans" - what is this sudden obsession with this number? Every match attendance for 30 years has been reported as tickets sold not bums on seats!
Also "On The Line" tonight is titled "Football Violence" and reports on the Policing of the match - wonder if they will be interviewing bored and disorientated Villa fans trying to get to their cars in Small Heath from Duddeston?
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Also, stick this Solihull rubbish. He may have been born there as there is no hospital round by us, but he's definitely Yardley Massive.
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As paulie said early in this thread, under RDM we would have lost that.
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Without a doubt. We are not great but we are now hard to beat. Under RDM we had become very beatable.
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Draw a fair result, concerns as stated by the way the midfield are being asked to play. or if that is the only way they can play. We have on paper some good forwards, but they all seem to play as individuals, no sort of team ethic. Ayew not sure what he does. Westwood gets stick, but he really is a nothing sort of player.
Get to January and beef up the midfield with some nous and creativity and the mongrels are the same as they have always been, dirty bastards that play for them, even dirtier bastards that support them.
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I thought Amavi looked really good for the most part today.
Funny you should say that Paul, because I mostly thought the opposite! Defensively he looked suspect and his distribution was absolutely dreadful. Admittedly his options were limited by the constant lack of options available to him when he had the ball, but it doesn't excuse him over-hitting long, high balls to non-existent forwards; or giving the opposition the ball via the aforementioned 'tactic'. He wasn't the only one, to be fair, but that doesn't excuse him. Additionally, he should be told that when taking a throw-in he is required to throw the sodding ball to somebody in a claret & blue shirt! It drives me nuts when professional footballers ignore the basics of the game: and it's inexcusable. I'm of the opinion that Bruce needs to find a pair of full-backs who are a damned sight better than those he's inherited, but I live in hope that he can get a better tune out of those at hand. At least his defensive central trio look like they're up to the job - and that's certainly something he can build on. I'm confident SB will get things sorted in time, but he'll need funds in the January window if we're to have a team that can get out of this division. Let's hope Dr X has a few more million to spunk on players then eh? We go again...
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We definitely need a right back in January and Centre Mid with a bit of pace and engine. We also need to solve the conundrum of our formation. Having to play 3 central midfielders every game is severely limiting us going forward right now, it's like we have 3 totally separate departments in our team that all work as individual units.
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I'm of the opinion that Bruce needs to find a pair of full-backs who are a damned sight better than those he's inherited,
Agree with this. Swap them both out forthwith.
Do that, plus add a 'box-to-box' midfielder in January and we'll be alright this season (alright as in making the play-offs).
Don't, and we'll be midtable and no better.
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Out of sheer curiosity and because I'll never bother watching one of their games, can someone tell me if any SHA players would be useful in our starting team?
Their Dutch player looked good.
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Also, stick this Solihull rubbish. He may have been born there as there is no hospital round by us, but he's definitely Yardley Massive.
Gets about a bit then, I always thought he was Kings Norton?
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A fair result overall, even if we did ride our luck a bit and no, it wasn't the greatest performance in the world. Like a few have already said though, we would have lost that a few weeks ago.
I'm glad one or two have mentioned Ayew's booking, it was ridiculous. Their player injured himself going for the ball if anything.
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A fair result overall, even if we did ride our luck a bit and no, it wasn't the greatest performance in the world. Like a few have already said though, we would have lost that a few weeks ago.
I'm glad one or two have mentioned Ayew's booking, it was ridiculous. Their player injured himself going for the ball if anything.
You ain't wrong chook! His yellow card was a complete WTF?! moment. That said, I thought he was crap yesterday and didn't look like he fancied it at all. He wasn't alone, mind.
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Also, stick this Solihull rubbish. He may have been born there as there is no hospital round by us, but he's definitely Yardley Massive.
Gets about a bit then, I always thought he was Kings Norton?
They're all Yardley boys. The other brother sells flowers across the road from LloydsTSB at the Yew Tree.
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I thought Amavi played well aside from picking up that booking. Rowett having a pop at Kodjia despite the fact their players decided to kick absolute lumps out of him and Ayew is a bit silly.
Cracking atmosphere from both, incredible scenes in that away end when we scored! Poor performance and did that thing again where we sit back and invite pressure. We looked comfortable until Hutton passed the ball off the blues player and then sauntered back, that gave them the momentum they needed.
Take a point, disappointed we let it slip, and the lock in/escort was shit.
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A fair result overall, even if we did ride our luck a bit and no, it wasn't the greatest performance in the world. Like a few have already said though, we would have lost that a few weeks ago.
I'm glad one or two have mentioned Ayew's booking, it was ridiculous. Their player injured himself going for the ball if anything.
Did we then get the free kick as well ??
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We got the free kick. I assumed the booking must have been for dissent but not entirely sure.
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Was a poor game, will take the point in the end as it keeps Brucie unbeaten and they've only lost 1 at home this season.
We really need to improve though, all our midfield did was hoof it all game. Jedinak MOTM though broke up play well and was solid throughout.
Our usually vocal away support seemed quite muted yesterday, not sure how much impact the reduced allocation had on that.
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Did we then get the free kick as well ??
You're right, we did! :o
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Was it me or does Mike Dean look like Jasper Carrot.?
Haha, yes. Me and the mrs both said it yesterday.
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Oh and that Che Adams for them was absolutely awful.
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I thought Amavi played well aside from picking up that booking. Rowett having a pop at Kodjia despite the fact their players decided to kick absolute lumps out of him and Ayew is a bit silly.
Cracking atmosphere from both, incredible scenes in that away end when we scored! Poor performance and did that thing again where we sit back and invite pressure. We looked comfortable until Hutton passed the ball off the blues player and then sauntered back, that gave them the momentum they needed.
Take a point, disappointed we let it slip, and the lock in/escort was shit.
If you're referring to the (customary) Mutton clanger when the SH forward broke away & was thwarted by a combination of Gollini & a couple of Villa defenders, he (Hutton) didn't dawdle back - because he launched himself into a challenge that caused the forward to take a hurried shot. Even so, he's still absolutely toilet.
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I thought Amavi played well aside from picking up that booking. Rowett having a pop at Kodjia despite the fact their players decided to kick absolute lumps out of him and Ayew is a bit silly.
Cracking atmosphere from both, incredible scenes in that away end when we scored! Poor performance and did that thing again where we sit back and invite pressure. We looked comfortable until Hutton passed the ball off the blues player and then sauntered back, that gave them the momentum they needed.
Take a point, disappointed we let it slip, and the lock in/escort was shit.
If you're referring to the (customary) Mutton clanger when the SH forward broke away & was thwarted by a combination of Gollini & a couple of Villa defenders, he (Hutton) didn't dawdle back - because he launched himself into a challenge that caused the forward to take a hurried shot. Even so, he's still absolutely toilet.
I think the bigger reason the guy fluffed that was that his left foot is for standing on and had to come inside which gave Hutton and Amavi time to get across and close down the space. I do agree that Hutton didn't dawdle back, putting the effort in to make a last dtich block after he's fucked up in our half is one thing Hutton is very good at because he's well practiced at it.
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Who was that ruddy-faced little shit that played RB for them? Honestly, if ever there was a Small Heap player that needed a right-good slap during the derby...
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I thought Amavi played well aside from picking up that booking. Rowett having a pop at Kodjia despite the fact their players decided to kick absolute lumps out of him and Ayew is a bit silly.
Cracking atmosphere from both, incredible scenes in that away end when we scored! Poor performance and did that thing again where we sit back and invite pressure. We looked comfortable until Hutton passed the ball off the blues player and then sauntered back, that gave them the momentum they needed.
Take a point, disappointed we let it slip, and the lock in/escort was shit.
If you're referring to the (customary) Mutton clanger when the SH forward broke away & was thwarted by a combination of Gollini & a couple of Villa defenders, he (Hutton) didn't dawdle back - because he launched himself into a challenge that caused the forward to take a hurried shot. Even so, he's still absolutely toilet.
I think the bigger reason the guy fluffed that was that his left foot is for standing on and had to come inside which gave Hutton and Amavi time to get across and close down the space. I do agree that Hutton didn't dawdle back, putting the effort in to make a last ditch block after he's fucked up in our half is one thing Hutton is very good at because he's well practiced at it.
You're probably spot-on there Paul, but I only saw it when it happened - & went for a rant-filled wazzz immediately after that particular near-disaster. Actually, it was definitely the most enjoyable 2 minutes I spent during that second half!
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Who was that ruddy-faced little shit that played RB for them? Honestly, if ever there was a Small Heap player that needed a right-good slap during the derby...
I think you mean their defensive midfielder Gleeson who some how never got booked despite going off his feet 2-3 times 1 of them was very similar to the challenge that Amavi was booked for and the ref didn't even talk to him.
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Who was that ruddy-faced little shit that played RB for them? Honestly, if ever there was a Small Heap player that needed a right-good slap during the derby...
I think you mean their defensive midfielder Gleeson who some how never got booked despite going off his feet 2-3 times 1 of them was very similar to the challenge that Amavi was booked for and the ref didn't even talk to him.
Yeah, that's the bugger. Dirty, gobby wee shite that Flabby was winding up after he made an unexpected appearance. Yeeeesh.
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Who was that ruddy-faced little shit that played RB for them? Honestly, if ever there was a Small Heap player that needed a right-good slap during the derby...
I think you mean their defensive midfielder Gleeson who some how never got booked despite going off his feet 2-3 times 1 of them was very similar to the challenge that Amavi was booked for and the ref didn't even talk to him.
Yeah, that's the bugger. Dirty, gobby wee shite that Flabby was winding up after he made an unexpected appearance. Yeeeesh.
Yeah, horrible little sod.
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I've already stated our vocal support was poor, but their latest myth over on their SHA forum is that we didn't sell out our 2000 allocation. This despite the said 2000 allocation selling out after one day of being on sale. We take 5700 to Preston you cockwombles. They're all massive weapons on that forum, but the biggest one without a doubt has the username 'Gary Rowett'. The nonsense he comes out with is laughable, but of course they all lap it up.
They're going on about coaches again aswell, surprise surprise. All of us apparantly went by coach, which explains why we were all kept in the ground and then marched for miles in an escort. If we had all gone by coach then surely the police would have just put us back on to our coaches? It's a real head scratcher.
It probably is Gary Rowett mate ;)
(http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9157840.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Football-Sky-Bet-Championship-201617-Birmingham-City-v-Aston-Villa-St-Andrews-Ground-Birmingham.jpg)
Despite his after match exploits and bitter comments we know the truth. Your Villa and you know you are son ;D
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We got up the island where Morriarty's is and eventually hundreds of us just pushed left through the escort.
They were taking us right back to Aston. Fucking morons. All those police, time and effort because there was a couple hundred Noses in a pub.
Don't be ungrateful. It's all done for your safety and comfort, them being experts in crowd control. And if anything did go wrong, you can rest assured they'll be open and honest.
Just ask the families of the Hillsborough victims.
Hilsborough was 27 fucking years ago and nothing to do with West Mids police. Dragging that up is just to have a go is pathetic, in bad taste and way out of proportion.
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I hate to think what this thread would be like if we'd actually lost.
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I watched it in an 'Irish' bar with a Nottingham Forest fan. I had six pints of Guinness and everything was ace to be honest.
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I thought Amavi played well aside from picking up that booking. Rowett having a pop at Kodjia despite the fact their players decided to kick absolute lumps out of him and Ayew is a bit silly.
Cracking atmosphere from both, incredible scenes in that away end when we scored! Poor performance and did that thing again where we sit back and invite pressure. We looked comfortable until Hutton passed the ball off the blues player and then sauntered back, that gave them the momentum they needed.
Take a point, disappointed we let it slip, and the lock in/escort was shit.
If you're referring to the (customary) Mutton clanger when the SH forward broke away & was thwarted by a combination of Gollini & a couple of Villa defenders, he (Hutton) didn't dawdle back - because he launched himself into a challenge that caused the forward to take a hurried shot. Even so, he's still absolutely toilet.
I think the bigger reason the guy fluffed that was that his left foot is for standing on and had to come inside which gave Hutton and Amavi time to get across and close down the space. I do agree that Hutton didn't dawdle back, putting the effort in to make a last dtich block after he's fucked up in our half is one thing Hutton is very good at because he's well practiced at it.
Fair enough, from the away end I thought it was Chester, still, it was him that put his foot wrong and gave them the momentum.
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I haven't seen it mentioned but Jed was the only player not to run over to the players celebrating our goal.
Why? He was stopping Small Heath restarting the game which they would have been perfectly entitled to do as all our players would have been in our half.....Fair play to him.
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I haven't seen it mentioned but Jed was the only player not to run over to the players celebrating our goal.
Why? He was stopping Small Heath restarting the game which they would have been perfectly entitled to do as all our players would have been in our half.....Fair play to him.
To be fair they wouldn't have been entitled to restart the game until the ref blew his whistle and in most cases the ref would wait for the team to line up (or warn/book players if they were taking too long) before doing so but, like Jedi, I wouldn't trust Dean not to blow up whilst we were all celebrating in the corner because he's exactly that kind of wanker where we're involved.
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I hate to think what this thread would be like if we'd actually lost.
Damon, you are a jester - like that would ever happen against Blose. "Lol."
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Reports of trouble and a stabbing at The Yenton pub in Erdington. Some saying Blues stormed the pub and attacked innocent bystanders including women, which wouldn't be a surprise as that's their style. Others saying it was Villa on Villa.
Apparently a domestic dispute - not blues related.
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They'll still claim it.
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We got up the island where Morriarty's is and eventually hundreds of us just pushed left through the escort.
They were taking us right back to Aston. Fucking morons. All those police, time and effort because there was a couple hundred Noses in a pub.
Don't be ungrateful. It's all done for your safety and comfort, them being experts in crowd control. And if anything did go wrong, you can rest assured they'll be open and honest.
Just ask the families of the Hillsborough victims.
Hilsborough was 27 fucking years ago and nothing to do with West Mids police. Dragging that up is just to have a go is pathetic, in bad taste and way out of proportion.
Really?
It's got plenty to do with the WMP. WMP weren't part of the fucking cover up? They didn't carry out an investigation? And found that all deaths were accidental? And that there was insufficient evidence to prosecute anyone? We now know different. They are lying bastards, and they've been found out as such.
The Coroner's verdict was that 97 people were killed unlawfully through gross negligence.
In the context of 97 innocents having their lives ended through negligence, then a cover up by the WMP and SYP that lasted decades, I suspect your reaction to my post is way out of proportion.
Your post is pathetic.
Do some research before commenting.
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We got up the island where Morriarty's is and eventually hundreds of us just pushed left through the escort.
They were taking us right back to Aston. Fucking morons. All those police, time and effort because there was a couple hundred Noses in a pub.
Don't be ungrateful. It's all done for your safety and comfort, them being experts in crowd control. And if anything did go wrong, you can rest assured they'll be open and honest.
Just ask the families of the Hillsborough victims.
Hilsborough was 27 fucking years ago and nothing to do with West Mids police. Dragging that up is just to have a go is pathetic, in bad taste and way out of proportion.
You obviously don't know much regarding the aftermath of Hillsbrough if you think it has nothing to do with West Midlands police. Would love to know more regarding the legality of marching members of the public miles in a direction they may not want to go in without their consent. Surely can't be legal? I thought it took long enough for our mini bus to leave but that was something else.
Thought the game was a bit rubbish tbh. Adomah having to go off really stifled our counter attacks but at least we didn't lose. I think the main thing I took from going to the game yesterday is what a vile bunch of fans Blues have.
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You'd have thought Shotton would have colour co ordinated his blue dreadlocks to the correct shade of blue, I think he'd gone for an aqua blue rather than royal blue and it looked like he'd let his mate do it whilst drunk. I don't suppose the blues pay a lot but you'd think he'd be able to have his hair done at a proper salon.
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We got up the island where Morriarty's is and eventually hundreds of us just pushed left through the escort.
They were taking us right back to Aston. Fucking morons. All those police, time and effort because there was a couple hundred Noses in a pub.
Don't be ungrateful. It's all done for your safety and comfort, them being experts in crowd control. And if anything did go wrong, you can rest assured they'll be open and honest.
Just ask the families of the Hillsborough victims.
Hilsborough was 27 fucking years ago and nothing to do with West Mids police. Dragging that up is just to have a go is pathetic, in bad taste and way out of proportion.
Really?
It's got plenty to do with the WMP. WMP weren't part of the fucking cover up? They didn't carry out an investigation? And found that all deaths were accidental? And that there was insufficient evidence to prosecute anyone? We now know different. They are lying bastards, and they've been found out as such.
The Coroner's verdict was that 97 people were killed unlawfully through gross negligence.
In the context of 97 innocents having their lives ended through negligence, then a cover up by the WMP and SYP that lasted decades, I suspect your reaction to my post is way out of proportion.
Your post is pathetic.
Do some research before commenting.
WMP were not on duty that day. However, the point is bringing it up was entirely out of proportion and not at all relevant to the policing of this weekend. Dragging it up is points scoring on your part and in very bad taste. I'll tell you what is pathetic - using the death of 97 people just to have a dig a current policing a quarter of a century later. A lot of the officers on duty won't have even been born when Hilsborough happened, but yep they're all murdering lying ****** aren't they?
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You'd have thought Shotton would have colour co ordinated his blue dreadlocks to the correct shade of blue, I think he'd gone for an aqua blue rather than royal blue and it looked like he'd let his mate do it whilst drunk. I don't suppose the blues pay a lot but you'd think he'd be able to have his hair done at a proper salon.
He looked like one of those Vileda mops.
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We got up the island where Morriarty's is and eventually hundreds of us just pushed left through the escort.
They were taking us right back to Aston. Fucking morons. All those police, time and effort because there was a couple hundred Noses in a pub.
Don't be ungrateful. It's all done for your safety and comfort, them being experts in crowd control. And if anything did go wrong, you can rest assured they'll be open and honest.
Just ask the families of the Hillsborough victims.
Hilsborough was 27 fucking years ago and nothing to do with West Mids police. Dragging that up is just to have a go is pathetic, in bad taste and way out of proportion.
Really?
It's got plenty to do with the WMP. WMP weren't part of the fucking cover up? They didn't carry out an investigation? And found that all deaths were accidental? And that there was insufficient evidence to prosecute anyone? We now know different. They are lying bastards, and they've been found out as such.
The Coroner's verdict was that 97 people were killed unlawfully through gross negligence.
In the context of 97 innocents having their lives ended through negligence, then a cover up by the WMP and SYP that lasted decades, I suspect your reaction to my post is way out of proportion.
Your post is pathetic.
Do some research before commenting.
WMP were not on duty that day. However, the point is bringing it up was entirely out of proportion and not at all relevant to the policing of this weekend. Dragging it up is points scoring on your part and in very bad taste. I'll tell you what is pathetic - using the death of 97 people just to have a dig a current policing a quarter of a century later. A lot of the officers on duty won't have even been born when Hilsborough happened, but yep they're all murdering lying c***s aren't they?
You said that.
Not me.
It was "27 fucking years ago" so it doesn't really matter very much, does it?
Now that really is bad taste.
Policing yesterday was relevant.
The police treated football fans with contempt back In the 70's, and 80's, after what I read about the policing yesterday it would appear that nothing much has changed?
Despite Hillsborough.
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You inferred it. Stop trying to flip this - YOU dragged up a tragedy just to have a pop at todays police force and it is in bad taste. Yesterday they were trying to avoid flashpoints - whilst it sounds like it was frustrating for the fans they largely succeeded. How does that bare any resemblance to the Hillsborough tragedy? Don't bother answering because nothing can justify the correlation you are trying to draw and your attempts at justifying yourself are pretty nauseous.
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IF WMP had treated everyone as they did in the 70s and 80s yesterday, then it would have been every man, woman and child for themselves as we left the ground
WMP achieved there objective there was no major disorder, and no running battles on the streets, so they will look at this as the best result they could of hoped for.
I did not agree with the way we were treated at the end of the game but we got home safely.
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IF WMP had treated everyone as they did in the 70s and 80s yesterday, then it would have been every man, woman and child for themselves as we left the ground
Take it you never went to Cov in the 80s then. I'd have loved to have been able to make my own way back from the ground without being kettled by coppers. Probably an urban myth, but there was a story of a Cov Poly student who inadvertently got caught up in the Villa fans' escort and ended up being put on a train back to New Steet when he only lived 2 mins from Highfield Road but the coppers wouldn't listen to his protests. And then there were the cages at Millwall and Forest......
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IF WMP had treated everyone as they did in the 70s and 80s yesterday, then it would have been every man, woman and child for themselves as we left the ground
WMP achieved there objective there was no major disorder, and no running battles on the streets, so they will look at this as the best result they could of hoped for.
I did not agree with the way we were treated at the end of the game but we got home safely.
Take it you never went to Cov in the 80s then. I'd have loved to have been able to make my own way back from the ground without being kettled by coppers. Probably an urban myth, but there was a story of a Cov Poly student who inadvertently got caught up in the Villa fans' escort and ended up being put on a train back to New Steet when he only lived 2 mins from Highfield Road but the coppers wouldn't listen to his protests. And then there were the cages at Millwall and Forest......
I got threatened with arrest leaving Filbert Street in 1981 because I had the nerve to ask if I could possibly catch my train back north rather than be marched to a train going to Birmingham.
Friends who encountered WMP when attending matches as away supporters always described them as the biggest bunch of bastards they encountered. Mate of mine got randomly thrown in the back of a police van when he went to see Leeds at the Hawthorns, he was 15 at the time and got the shit kicked out of him. Unfortunately for the coppers responsible his dad happened to be a high ranking officer in the North Yorkshire police.
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H and V (the paper one) used to feature regular moans about WMP's treatment of away supporters in that era, from what I remember.
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Late 80s I remember watching from the Holte when the WMP used to pile into the away fans with batons on the NS terracing. Seemed to happen in most matches at the time.
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I was there yesterday, drank in The Social before and after and overall thought the Old Bill got it right, kept us back a tad too long but if you were in the escort there were times you could have slipped out..
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A few weeks ago someone on here said that matchday commanders at Queens Road used to have no idea of football supporter mentality and that attitude went down to ground level. Policing at Villa Park has improved vastly since then and I wonder if that has anything to do with the number of ex-top policemen who've been employed by the club, meaning that there's a bit more liaison. Certainly, back then it seemed that the police came up with all sorts of draconian ideas and Villa went along with them blindly.
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Reports of trouble and a stabbing at The Yenton pub in Erdington. Some saying Blues stormed the pub and attacked innocent bystanders including women, which wouldn't be a surprise as that's their style. Others saying it was Villa on Villa.
Apparently a domestic dispute - not blues related.
Which is why it is an absolutely *terrible* idea to start discussing things like that on a forum like this without knowing all the facts.
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I actually said to one of the Coppers ' I only popped out to Morrison's' and he let me out..
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Can I put up what I know/heard.. it was to do with a hit and run a few weeks ago, a revenge attack.
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Edited as there's no need for posting that, especially their name. The world of Twitter etc is full of knobs.
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IF WMP had treated everyone as they did in the 70s and 80s yesterday, then it would have been every man, woman and child for themselves as we left the ground
WMP achieved there objective there was no major disorder, and no running battles on the streets, so they will look at this as the best result they could of hoped for.
I did not agree with the way we were treated at the end of the game but we got home safely.
The waiting in the stand, then in the concourse, then in the compound and then at regular points along a very circuitous route into the city centre was extremely tedious but the Villa fans were patient and well behaved. Like you, I thought the exercise was excessively cautious, but we have to agree that the police achieved what they set out to do.
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Also edited.
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Beat me to it Eddie
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Peterwithesshin; Why shouldn't scum like that need to be named and shamed? Do you feel that it is it ok to make comments where you laugh at the possibility that someone is crippled, possibly for the rest of his career?
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Inside out in half an hour on bbc WM (sky ch 959) for those living elsewhere, is following the police at yesterdays match, Ill make my own mind up.
Should be good viewing.
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apart from when the noses scored , don't you think they were rather subdued.
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The whole atmosphere seemed a bit subdued to be honest, early kick off time, reduced away support, 10k home fans showing up purely for Villa.
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apart from when the noses scored , don't you think they were rather subdued.
Very. As I said they were silent first half after the first 10-15 minutes, then piped up for 5-10 minutes after their goal and then back to near silence. The atmosphere was very flat and not at all intimidating from either side. I said it was the quietest away end we have had anywhere in the last 10 years and I stand by that, we were dreadful. The atmosphere was miles better from both sides in the cup game at VP last season, just shows what a difference kick off time and booze makes.
Both sides look rather silly after bigging our derby up and telling the rest of the country how fiery and fierce it is. All I've seen on Twitter and all I've had people saying to me today is how poor it was, there was no edge, atmosphere was crap etc.
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South Wales Police were there yesterday too.
I've never seen so much police in all my days.
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Just watched that Inside Out, the absolute state of the majority of those Blues fans!
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apart from when the noses scored , don't you think they were rather subdued.
Very. As I said they were silent first half after the first 10-15 minutes, then piped up for 5-10 minutes after their goal and then back to near silence. The atmosphere was very flat and not at all intimidating from either side. I said it was the quietest away end we have had anywhere in the last 10 years and I stand by that, we were dreadful. The atmosphere was miles better from both sides in the cup game at VP last season, just shows what a difference kick off time and booze makes.
Both sides look rather silly after bigging our derby up and telling the rest of the country how fiery and fierce it is. All I've seen on Twitter and all I've had people saying to me today is how poor it was, there was no edge, atmosphere was crap etc.
Perhaps you could ring your friends in the ticket office and tell them not to sell to anyone who won't make a noise.
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Just watched that Inside Out, the absolute state of the majority of those Blues fans!
Ridiculous, aren't they. Shuffling sacks of shit and hate.
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IF WMP had treated everyone as they did in the 70s and 80s yesterday, then it would have been every man, woman and child for themselves as we left the ground
WMP achieved there objective there was no major disorder, and no running battles on the streets, so they will look at this as the best result they could of hoped for.
I did not agree with the way we were treated at the end of the game but we got home safely.
The waiting in the stand, then in the concourse, then in the compound and then at regular points along a very circuitous route into the city centre was extremely tedious but the Villa fans were patient and well behaved. Like you, I thought the exercise was excessively cautious, but we have to agree that the police achieved what they set out to do.
I wasn't there yesterday and reading about all the hassle after the match, being kept in etc, I'm glad. That said, I do agree that I'd prefer to read that than the stuff we've had to read in previous seasons regarding women and children being picked off.
People should never underestimate the hatred and jealousy that these muppets feel, every waking hour of their lives. Coupled with any lack of morals and decency and you are left with a very dangerous combination. I go back a long time with Blues, I know all the stunts they like to pull and every single one is cowardly, attacking smaller numbers and non-fighters when there is 0% chance of them losing.
Just listen to Blues fans talk and you see a difference straight away. All this crap about Villa fans not being from Birmingham is laughable. There are more Villa fans in Birmingham just as there are more outside. Why do they come out with this nonsense and do they really believe it? Not excluding the fact that Solihull is not part of Birmingham and wants nothing to do with it, loads of their fans travel in nowadays. It's the way of the world. These neanderthals still think it's the 1970's when everybody lived a sixpenny bus ride from the ground.
I'm glad the game is over and we can now move on, concentrating on our rebuild. These scum bring out the worst in people, myself included. Thankfully, they can all go back to their sh##ty little mundane lives again, until April comes around and they can prepare for their cup final again
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I can't ever recall wanting to stay behind after a game to shout naughty words at away fans from behind a cordon of police.
What's the point?
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apart from when the noses scored , don't you think they were rather subdued.
Very. As I said they were silent first half after the first 10-15 minutes, then piped up for 5-10 minutes after their goal and then back to near silence. The atmosphere was very flat and not at all intimidating from either side. I said it was the quietest away end we have had anywhere in the last 10 years and I stand by that, we were dreadful. The atmosphere was miles better from both sides in the cup game at VP last season, just shows what a difference kick off time and booze makes.
Both sides look rather silly after bigging our derby up and telling the rest of the country how fiery and fierce it is. All I've seen on Twitter and all I've had people saying to me today is how poor it was, there was no edge, atmosphere was crap etc.
Perhaps you could ring your friends in the ticket office and tell them not to sell to anyone who won't make a noise.
What friends are these?
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I thought the ref was shit, in his distribution of bookings. and that affected the game, if he'd booked there lot as fast as booked our boys, they wouldn't have gone round the pitch practicing their drop kicks, bull charges.
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A lot of the home fans are still in the ground, bewilderdly trying to work out what that shiny metal thing the Warwickshire players were holding was.
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A lot of the home fans are still in the ground, bewilderdly trying to work out what that shiny metal thing the Warwickshire players were holding was.
Like the apes around the monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey
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Yesterday on my way back from Wembley Central station to catch a train back to Birmingham, after NFL match. A bluenose was talking/ranting to me moaning about Villa. I don't even let him know I am a Villa fan. A normal person would be talking about the NFL match we have seen.
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Yesterday on my way back from Wembley Central station to catch a train back to Birmingham, after NFL match. A bluenose was talking/ranting to me moaning about Villa. I don't even let him know I am a Villa fan. A normal person would be talking about the NFL match we have seen.
Most men think about sex more than anything else throughout a normal day. Imagine being one of these divs, thinking constantly about Villa from the minute they awake.
I couldn't have named one single player of theirs before last Friday when I watched them play Burton. Do they not understand how utterly insignificant they are? Nobody is interested in them and their crummy little football team.
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Yesterday on my way back from Wembley Central station to catch a train back to Birmingham, after NFL match. A bluenose was talking/ranting to me moaning about Villa. I don't even let him know I am a Villa fan. A normal person would be talking about the NFL match we have seen.
Most men think about sex more than anything else throughout a normal day. Imagine being one of these divs, thinking constantly about Villa from the minute they awake.
I couldn't have named one single player of theirs before last Friday when I watched them play Burton. Do they not understand how utterly insignificant they are? Nobody is interested in them and their crummy little football team.
Including at least one of their supporters by the sound of it. Or did he think their cup final was being played at Wembley?
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Please tell me it isn't just me. But watching it on the tv almost to a man, woman and child their fans at the front were horrible, snarling, Neanderthal ingrates don't you think?
They really dislike us a lot more than we care about them.
I saw one woman mouth the words 'you blind cnut' to the Linesman albeit for giving us that ridiculous throw in. Charming.
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Language! She kisses her brother with that mouth as well.
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A facebook friend who is from a 100% rugby household (husband is a coach, both sons play at a decent standard in Leicester) summed it up perfectly for me yesterday when she (as part of a family full of noses) was fed up of the vile posts full of bad langauge and abuse from blues fans that had been going for about a week and found it interesting that her Villa, Leicester, Man U, etc supporting friends never posted stuff like it. Someone (who turned out to be her aunt) replied saying it was just football bants that 'the egg-chasing homos' don't understand and she then couldn't understand why my friend was insulted by that.
This is why I get so frustrated when you get Villa fans talking about it like it's a big game to us and singing about them during matches, they're the nasty little club from down the road which has a massive inferiority complex and with a section of fans who think beating up some villa will somehow improve that. I accept the baggies as a proper derby (although because it was a game that was played so rarely when I was growing up I still don't see it as all that big a deal) but I'll never be able to see Blues as a rival.
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Yesterday on my way back from Wembley Central station to catch a train back to Birmingham, after NFL match. A bluenose was talking/ranting to me moaning about Villa. I don't even let him know I am a Villa fan. A normal person would be talking about the NFL match we have seen.
Nah sorry, there is nothing "normal" about talking about NFL in any circumstances ever, it's utter shite.
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Didn't go on Sunday, but the locking the tactic of locking the away fans up is rough. I've been in that twice and it is about 90 minutes of annoyance, nuisance and frustration, while you're paraded around Digbeth like a naughty school child. They may as well just make it coach only.
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They really dislike us a lot more than we care about them.
We really don't care about them, that's why we have a 1142 page thread about them on this very website.
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They really dislike us a lot more than we care about them.
We really don't care about them, that's why we have a 1142 page thread about them on this very website.
Yep, despite what we like to think for many the obsession goes both ways. There's are also twats both sides of the fence as well I'm afraid. You've only got to think back to that 'north Birmingham' Billy Big-bollocks poster who genuinely thought his neanderthal support was the heart and soul of the club.
I do find some of the Blues support very thuggish (friend of mine and his 13 year old son got sworn and spat at) but don't doubt we have our own morons.
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apart from when the noses scored , don't you think they were rather subdued.
Very. As I said they were silent first half after the first 10-15 minutes, then piped up for 5-10 minutes after their goal and then back to near silence. The atmosphere was very flat and not at all intimidating from either side. I said it was the quietest away end we have had anywhere in the last 10 years and I stand by that, we were dreadful. The atmosphere was miles better from both sides in the cup game at VP last season, just shows what a difference kick off time and booze makes.
Both sides look rather silly after bigging our derby up and telling the rest of the country how fiery and fierce it is. All I've seen on Twitter and all I've had people saying to me today is how poor it was, there was no edge, atmosphere was crap etc.
Dodgy opinion alert: It's better in the premier league.
I just feel like we're slumming it at their level, their division and as we've seen already there's little mainstream press coverage of this league.
Probably helped aswell as we'd usually be in the right end of the league and SHA would play us for scrapping for points to stay up...Sunday just looked like two mid table teams who could well miss out on the top 6.
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Yesterday on my way back from Wembley Central station to catch a train back to Birmingham, after NFL match. A bluenose was talking/ranting to me moaning about Villa. I don't even let him know I am a Villa fan. A normal person would be talking about the NFL match we have seen.
Most men think about sex more than anything else throughout a normal day. Imagine being one of these divs, thinking constantly about Villa from the minute they awake.
I couldn't have named one single player of theirs before last Friday when I watched them play Burton. Do they not understand how utterly insignificant they are? Nobody is interested in them and their crummy little football team.
Including at least one of their supporters by the sound of it. Or did he think their cup final was being played at Wembley?
A good friend of mine who's a bluenose went to the NFL. He's fallen a bit out of love with SHA in recent times mainly with Carson Yeung involvement....had a season ticket right through his teenage years.
Claimed he got the NFL tickets in January so could be that.
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A facebook friend who is from a 100% rugby household (husband is a coach, both sons play at a decent standard in Leicester) summed it up perfectly for me yesterday when she (as part of a family full of noses) was fed up of the vile posts full of bad langauge and abuse from blues fans that had been going for about a week and found it interesting that her Villa, Leicester, Man U, etc supporting friends never posted stuff like it. Someone (who turned out to be her aunt) replied saying it was just football bants that 'the egg-chasing homos' don't understand and she then couldn't understand why my friend was insulted by that.
This is why I get so frustrated when you get Villa fans talking about it like it's a big game to us and singing about them during matches, they're the nasty little club from down the road which has a massive inferiority complex and with a section of fans who think beating up some villa will somehow improve that. I accept the baggies as a proper derby (although because it was a game that was played so rarely when I was growing up I still don't see it as all that big a deal) but I'll never be able to see Blues as a rival.
I think it's different if you don't live in or near Brum, and are therefore not exposed to working with any of them. I haven't lived in Birmingham for over 20 years, and in that time of living and working all over the place, I think I've encountered one Blues fan. They are just a small, completely irrelevant nothingness of a club. I've met more Cochester United fans in that time than I have Blues.
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Didn't go on Sunday, but the locking the tactic of locking the away fans up is rough. I've been in that twice and it is about 90 minutes of annoyance, nuisance and frustration, while you're paraded around Digbeth like a naughty school child. They may as well just make it coach only.
No interest in doing SHA away but yeah after reading and watching the way the police deal with this...I honestly think if I ever went to this I'd rather sit on my hands in the Home end.
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The thing is, there was virtually no trouble so the police and clubs will continue with the ridiculous reduced away allocations for both sides. Small Heath fans can also look forward to being locked in and then taken on a magical mystery tour like we were.
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I don't think they will be. Villa Park is easier to police due to having more exits and entrances. They'll leave at the same time as us and both sets of fans will be pavement dancing behind a large row of police as usual.
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I love reading the term "pavement dancing" :)
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A bluenose ex boyfriend who I went out with from 1982-1985 has just found me on Facebook to message me 'Lucky Lucky Villa'.
I have responded 'Cursed Cursed Blues'
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A bluenose ex boyfriend who I went out with from 1982-1985 has just found me on Facebook to message me 'Lucky Lucky Villa'.
I have responded 'Cursed Cursed Blues'
Thanks for that
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The thing is, there was virtually no trouble so the police and clubs will continue with the ridiculous reduced away allocations for both sides. Small Heath fans can also look forward to being locked in and then taken on a magical mystery tour like we were.
I don't mind the reduced allocation if it works both ways. I have a sneaking suspicion that these nuggets will be given the normal 3,000 as our ground is bigger.
Personally, I think the coaches are a good idea. Blues started it, despite what they say now but who cares?. It enables fans to meet up and have a few beers peacefully and then go in and out of the away ground with little fuss. 99% of fans just want to go to watch the game, very few want trouble to break out and when it does, it is usually just a lot of posturing and throwing things at the police, rather than any actual trading of blows. What is the point? All that could be avoided by insisting that the away team get coaches in and out.
I'm pretty sure I saw once that Sunderland fans could only access match tickets for Newcastle if they traveled there on special trains. It has to be better than a long lock in, followed by the scenic walk back into town via Duddleston?
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They really dislike us a lot more than we care about them.
We really don't care about them, that's why we have a 1142 page thread about them on this very website.
Yep, despite what we like to think for many the obsession goes both ways. There's are also twats both sides of the fence as well I'm afraid. You've only got to think back to that 'north Birmingham' Billy Big-bollocks poster who genuinely thought his neanderthal support was the heart and soul of the club.
I do find some of the Blues support very thuggish (friend of mine and his 13 year old son got sworn and spat at) but don't doubt we have our own morons.
We definitely do, we're far from perfect. But their support has more than most, and this game brings out that thuggish element in them like no other. Glad it's over, I hate going to their place and hopefully we can go up this season and not face them for a long, long time.
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They really dislike us a lot more than we care about them.
We really don't care about them, that's why we have a 1142 page thread about them on this very website.
The difference is that's just one thread that has run up that many posts over the course of 7 years. They probably start a new thread about us every day.
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The thing is, there was virtually no trouble so the police and clubs will continue with the ridiculous reduced away allocations for both sides. Small Heath fans can also look forward to being locked in and then taken on a magical mystery tour like we were.
I don't mind the reduced allocation if it works both ways. I have a sneaking suspicion that these nuggets will be given the normal 3,000 as our ground is bigger.
Personally, I think the coaches are a good idea. Blues started it, despite what they say now but who cares?. It enables fans to meet up and have a few beers peacefully and then go in and out of the away ground with little fuss. 99% of fans just want to go to watch the game, very few want trouble to break out and when it does, it is usually just a lot of posturing and throwing things at the police, rather than any actual trading of blows. What is the point? All that could be avoided by insisting that the away team get coaches in and out.
I'm pretty sure I saw once that Sunderland fans could only access match tickets for Newcastle if they traveled there on special trains. It has to be better than a long lock in, followed by the scenic walk back into town via Duddleston?
Cardiff and Swansea employ a similar scheme when they play each other, but use coaches.
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My neighbour had to do this a few years ago
http://www.offthepost.info/blog/2009/05/millwall-have-a-new-ticket-office-a-motorway-service-station-on-m1/
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They said on the news that whilst the Villa fans were kept behind for an hour in the ground there were still quite a few home fans waiting (behind police) to shout things at the Villa fans.
Have these people got lives? Incredibly sad individuals.
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They said on the news that whilst the Villa fans were kept behind for an hour in the ground there were still quite a few home fans waiting (behind police) to shout things at the Villa fans.
Have these people got lives? Incredibly sad individuals.
They're knuckledraggers. It's what their lives are all about.
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They really dislike us a lot more than we care about them.
We really don't care about them, that's why we have a 1142 page thread about them on this very website.
Yep, despite what we like to think for many the obsession goes both ways. There's are also twats both sides of the fence as well I'm afraid. You've only got to think back to that 'north Birmingham' Billy Big-bollocks poster who genuinely thought his neanderthal support was the heart and soul of the club.
I do find some of the Blues support very thuggish (friend of mine and his 13 year old son got sworn and spat at) but don't doubt we have our own morons.
We definitely do, we're far from perfect. But their support has more than most, and this game brings out that thuggish element in them like no other. Glad it's over, I hate going to their place and hopefully we can go up this season and not face them for a long, long time.
We have plenty of idiots, especially away from home but most of them seem to be more concerned with getting pissed and a bit rowdy rather than go looking for trouble.
SHA just seem to have a higher percentage than most clubs of anti social, bullying thugs. I know a normal, decent nose who reckons 10% of their away support are nutters who are up for trouble, but like he says, if they take 2k away then 200 nutters is still a sizeable number. He also has a mate who has decided to stop following them away now as he was so disgusted by the behaviour of SHA fans at Forest the other week.
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My neighbour had to do this a few years ago
http://www.offthepost.info/blog/2009/05/millwall-have-a-new-ticket-office-a-motorway-service-station-on-m1/
I've told this before but a mate of the old man went to watch them play Millwall in that play off game when they rioted outside, they were herded up and put on the train back to New St, despite the fact that he had driven down and his car was in the sidestreets outside the Den. He had to go back the next day to get it.
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They said on the news that whilst the Villa fans were kept behind for an hour in the ground there were still quite a few home fans waiting (behind police) to shout things at the Villa fans.
Have these people got lives? Incredibly sad individuals.
They're knuckledraggers. It's what their lives are all about.
I wonder how many times a day that the average knuckledragger utters those immortal words: "s#%? on duh Villuh?
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They said on the news that whilst the Villa fans were kept behind for an hour in the ground there were still quite a few home fans waiting (behind police) to shout things at the Villa fans.
Have these people got lives? Incredibly sad individuals.
They're knuckledraggers. It's what their lives are all about.
I wonder how many times a day that the average knuckledragger utters those immortal words: "s#%? on duh Villuh?
I know a few who sign text messages KRO, SOTV. One in particular signs birthday and Christmas cards like it.
"Dear Mom, Happy Birthday love Wayne, Waynetta, Trevor, Stern and Christophe xx KRO, SOTV"
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My neighbour had to do this a few years ago
http://www.offthepost.info/blog/2009/05/millwall-have-a-new-ticket-office-a-motorway-service-station-on-m1/
I was at that game at Elland Road as I was at Leeds Uni at the time.
Unfortunately that still didn't weed out all of Millwall's scumbags, as a few of them held up a Turkey flag to mock Leeds fans about the stabbings in Istanbul from a few years earlier. Queue a handful of Leeds fans getting chucked out for trying to force their way in to the away end.
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It seems Barry Lose is more than just a parody.
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Apologies if this has already been discussed but speaking as a TV watcher on Sunday :
At the time there seemed to be a big hoo hah as to whether Donaldson's header was in (which it wasn't - only 3/4 of the ball at the most was behind the line!) However, did anyone else think he was offside anyway - I muttered offside to myself as he headed, but have I missed something because I've not heard anyone mention it, either after the game on tv or on here.
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It seems Barry Lose is more than just a parody.
must of had his family there too, as I heard at least one rendition of their famous chant grunt "dirty Villa bastards"
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Apologies if this has already been discussed but speaking as a TV watcher on Sunday :
At the time there seemed to be a big hoo hah as to whether Donaldson's header was in (which it wasn't - only 3/4 of the ball at the most was behind the line!) However, did anyone else think he was offside anyway - I muttered offside to myself as he headed, but have I missed something because I've not heard anyone mention it, either after the game on tv or on here.
Couldn't tell as I was behind the goal, but I did it look to me that Adomah was pushed from behind at the other end when he broke away straight after. How did that look on tele? And was it inside the box? Either a penalty or them down to 10 men if outside the box if he was.
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They said on the news that whilst the Villa fans were kept behind for an hour in the ground there were still quite a few home fans waiting (behind police) to shout things at the Villa fans.
Have these people got lives? Incredibly sad individuals.
There were small groups of blue-shirted people shouting abuse along our route but the police explained that the reason why they kept us waiting for so long was that there was a planned ambush which had to be dispersed.
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The thing is, there was virtually no trouble so the police and clubs will continue with the ridiculous reduced away allocations for both sides. Small Heath fans can also look forward to being locked in and then taken on a magical mystery tour like we were.
I don't mind the reduced allocation if it works both ways. I have a sneaking suspicion that these nuggets will be given the normal 3,000 as our ground is bigger.
Personally, I think the coaches are a good idea. Blues started it, despite what they say now but who cares?. It enables fans to meet up and have a few beers peacefully and then go in and out of the away ground with little fuss. 99% of fans just want to go to watch the game, very few want trouble to break out and when it does, it is usually just a lot of posturing and throwing things at the police, rather than any actual trading of blows. What is the point? All that could be avoided by insisting that the away team get coaches in and out.
I'm pretty sure I saw once that Sunderland fans could only access match tickets for Newcastle if they traveled there on special trains. It has to be better than a long lock in, followed by the scenic walk back into town via Duddleston?
Blues will only get 2000, it was agreed before the start of the season.
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Apologies if this has already been discussed but speaking as a TV watcher on Sunday :
At the time there seemed to be a big hoo hah as to whether Donaldson's header was in (which it wasn't - only 3/4 of the ball at the most was behind the line!) However, did anyone else think he was offside anyway - I muttered offside to myself as he headed, but have I missed something because I've not heard anyone mention it, either after the game on tv or on here.
Couldn't tell as I was behind the goal, but I did it look to me that Adomah was pushed from behind at the other end when he broke away straight after. How did that look on tele? And was it inside the box? Either a penalty or them down to 10 men if outside the box if he was.
It was outside the box, and it was the keeper who came out and clattered him without touching the ball, so yes they were very lucky the ref gave nothing at all.
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The thing is, there was virtually no trouble so the police and clubs will continue with the ridiculous reduced away allocations for both sides. Small Heath fans can also look forward to being locked in and then taken on a magical mystery tour like we were.
I don't mind the reduced allocation if it works both ways. I have a sneaking suspicion that these nuggets will be given the normal 3,000 as our ground is bigger.
Personally, I think the coaches are a good idea. Blues started it, despite what they say now but who cares?. It enables fans to meet up and have a few beers peacefully and then go in and out of the away ground with little fuss. 99% of fans just want to go to watch the game, very few want trouble to break out and when it does, it is usually just a lot of posturing and throwing things at the police, rather than any actual trading of blows. What is the point? All that could be avoided by insisting that the away team get coaches in and out.
I'm pretty sure I saw once that Sunderland fans could only access match tickets for Newcastle if they traveled there on special trains. It has to be better than a long lock in, followed by the scenic walk back into town via Duddleston?
Blues will only get 2000, it was agreed before the start of the season.
Are we limited to 23,000 too?! :D
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Apologies if this has already been discussed but speaking as a TV watcher on Sunday :
At the time there seemed to be a big hoo hah as to whether Donaldson's header was in (which it wasn't - only 3/4 of the ball at the most was behind the line!) However, did anyone else think he was offside anyway - I muttered offside to myself as he headed, but have I missed something because I've not heard anyone mention it, either after the game on tv or on here.
Couldn't tell as I was behind the goal, but I did it look to me that Adomah was pushed from behind at the other end when he broke away straight after. How did that look on tele? And was it inside the box? Either a penalty or them down to 10 men if outside the box if he was.
It was outside the box, and it was the keeper who came out and clattered him without touching the ball, so yes they were very lucky the ref gave nothing at all.
That's right it was outside the area, however it was a reckless challenge by their keeper. I know it was hardly as diabolical, but my first reaction was to think of that awful physical attack by Schmacker on Batiston in the 1982 France v West Germany WCSF.
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Apologies if this has already been discussed but speaking as a TV watcher on Sunday :
At the time there seemed to be a big hoo hah as to whether Donaldson's header was in (which it wasn't - only 3/4 of the ball at the most was behind the line!) However, did anyone else think he was offside anyway - I muttered offside to myself as he headed, but have I missed something because I've not heard anyone mention it, either after the game on tv or on here.
Couldn't tell as I was behind the goal, but I did it look to me that Adomah was pushed from behind at the other end when he broke away straight after. How did that look on tele? And was it inside the box? Either a penalty or them down to 10 men if outside the box if he was.
It was outside the box, and it was the keeper who came out and clattered him without touching the ball, so yes they were very lucky the ref gave nothing at all.
That's right it was outside the area, however it was a reckless challenge by their keeper. I know it was hardly as diabolical, but my first reaction was to think of that awful physical attack by Schmacker on Batiston in the 1982 France v West Germany WCSF.
And you know that Mike Dean wouldn't have done a thing if it had been.
Books Amavi for his 2nd minute challenge then Gleeson get away with a similar one, Shotton gets away with kneeing Kodjia, but books their guy for taking his shirt off after scoring (yes, I know)
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Apologies if this has already been discussed but speaking as a TV watcher on Sunday :
At the time there seemed to be a big hoo hah as to whether Donaldson's header was in (which it wasn't - only 3/4 of the ball at the most was behind the line!) However, did anyone else think he was offside anyway - I muttered offside to myself as he headed, but have I missed something because I've not heard anyone mention it, either after the game on tv or on here.
Couldn't tell as I was behind the goal, but I did it look to me that Adomah was pushed from behind at the other end when he broke away straight after. How did that look on tele? And was it inside the box? Either a penalty or them down to 10 men if outside the box if he was.
It was outside the box, and it was the keeper who came out and clattered him without touching the ball, so yes they were very lucky the ref gave nothing at all.
That's right it was outside the area, however it was a reckless challenge by their keeper. I know it was hardly as diabolical, but my first reaction was to think of that awful physical attack by Schmacker on Batiston in the 1982 France v West Germany WCSF.
And you know that Mike Dean wouldn't have done a thing if it had been.
Books Amavi for his 2nd minute challenge then Gleeson get away with a similar one, Shotton gets away with kneeing Kodjia, but books their guy for taking his shirt off after scoring (yes, I know)
It was a poor free kick by McCormack, bug I'm still trying to work out why Dean gave a foul right at the end. It was almost as if his mind had been made up that it would end a draw.
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A facebook friend who is from a 100% rugby household (husband is a coach, both sons play at a decent standard in Leicester) summed it up perfectly for me yesterday when she (as part of a family full of noses) was fed up of the vile posts full of bad langauge and abuse from blues fans that had been going for about a week and found it interesting that her Villa, Leicester, Man U, etc supporting friends never posted stuff like it. Someone (who turned out to be her aunt) replied saying it was just football bants that 'the egg-chasing homos' don't understand and she then couldn't understand why my friend was insulted by that.
This is why I get so frustrated when you get Villa fans talking about it like it's a big game to us and singing about them during matches, they're the nasty little club from down the road which has a massive inferiority complex and with a section of fans who think beating up some villa will somehow improve that. I accept the baggies as a proper derby (although because it was a game that was played so rarely when I was growing up I still don't see it as all that big a deal) but I'll never be able to see Blues as a rival.
I think it's different if you don't live in or near Brum, and are therefore not exposed to working with any of them. I haven't lived in Birmingham for over 20 years, and in that time of living and working all over the place, I think I've encountered one Blues fan. They are just a small, completely irrelevant nothingness of a club. I've met more Cochester United fans in that time than I have Blues.
I had the misfortune of the only social drinking club in Doha, Qatar, being owned by 2 blues brothers, (not the musical variety!); made even worse when all the beer mats were printed copies of the infamous Dublin/Savage match. Normally they were OK but when it came to Villa/ Blues matches the banter always got a bit tasty.
What made it more interesting was their sister and brother in law were both Villa fans; we all had a good laugh most times but I didn't enjoy our derby matches.
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One thing I've noticed about that lot is that their response seems to change en masse. One says they Bear The City's Name, they all start saying it. Last season Rowett bemoaned their lack of resources compared to us, now it's their default setting.
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Birmingham City v Aston Villa: Fan 'pushed over by police' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-37839178)
A video appearing to show police officers pushing a football fan to the floor is being investigated.
The footage was recorded as fans walked home from a Championship clash between Aston Villa and Birmingham City on Sunday.
Reiss Mahon said his father Rodney was set upon by officers "without provocation".
West Midlands Police said it would take action if officers had acted inappropriately.
Birmingham City fan Mr Mahon, said he was walking "calmly" with his father and brother Callum on a footpath near City's St Andrew's ground when it happened.
"I have never seen anything like it in my life," said the 22-year-old, from Rugby.
"It [The police behaviour] was completely unacceptable."
As well as hurting his elbow, Mr Mahon said his father, in his 40s, hit his head on the floor in the fall and suffered a gash on his leg.
Officers arrested 14 people during the afternoon, on suspicion of a range of offences including violent disorder, pitch encroachment and affray
He said his father, who has had to take time off from his job as a warehouse worker, went to see a doctor and was told he may have chipped his elbow.
The video, taken by Scott Findlay, has been shared dozens of times on social media.
Ch Insp Brian Carmichael, from West Midlands Police's standards department, said: "The circumstances surrounding the incident and actions of the officers involved will be investigated…we expect the highest standards from all our staff and anyone found to have acted inappropriately will face disciplinary action."
Officers arrested 14 people during the afternoon, on suspicion of a range of offences including violent disorder, pitch encroachment and affray.
The match marked the first time the second city rivals had met in a league game for five years and followed Villa's relegation to The Championship.
It finished 1-1 after goals from Gary Gardner and David Davis.
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Birmingham City v Aston Villa: Fan 'pushed over by police' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-37839178)
A video appearing to show police officers pushing a football fan to the floor is being investigated.
The footage was recorded as fans walked home from a Championship clash between Aston Villa and Birmingham City on Sunday.
Reiss Mahon said his father Rodney was set upon by officers "without provocation".
West Midlands Police said it would take action if officers had acted inappropriately.
Birmingham City fan Mr Mahon, said he was walking "calmly" with his father and brother Callum on a footpath near City's St Andrew's ground when it happened.
"I have never seen anything like it in my life," said the 22-year-old, from Rugby.
"It [The police behaviour] was completely unacceptable."
As well as hurting his elbow, Mr Mahon said his father, in his 40s, hit his head on the floor in the fall and suffered a gash on his leg.
Officers arrested 14 people during the afternoon, on suspicion of a range of offences including violent disorder, pitch encroachment and affray
He said his father, who has had to take time off from his job as a warehouse worker, went to see a doctor and was told he may have chipped his elbow.
The video, taken by Scott Findlay, has been shared dozens of times on social media.
Ch Insp Brian Carmichael, from West Midlands Police's standards department, said: "The circumstances surrounding the incident and actions of the officers involved will be investigated…we expect the highest standards from all our staff and anyone found to have acted inappropriately will face disciplinary action."
Officers arrested 14 people during the afternoon, on suspicion of a range of offences including violent disorder, pitch encroachment and affray.
The match marked the first time the second city rivals had met in a league game for five years and followed Villa's relegation to The Championship.
It finished 1-1 after goals from Gary Gardner and David Davis.
""I have never seen anything like it in my life," said the 22-year-old, from Rugby"
From Rugby?! But.. They're all proper Brummies, from Birmingham! We're the carrot munchers from the Shires. I don't understand.
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Looked to me like they were moving on the imitation lulus....
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said the 22-year-old, from Rugby
Thought all their fans were from inner city Brum only?
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Thought the same, and he appeared to be chasing a coach down the the road, probably to lick the windows but hey, if you are up to no good and get a slap off a copper, probably best to take it on the chin rather than splash it all over Facebook. They really are cretins.