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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on September 27, 2016, 09:44:16 PM
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5 times now we've dropped points in the last 5 mins. Simply not good enough.
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The routine's getting stale. We need new material.
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The unbeaten run goes on....
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It's an amazing stat. Shows the margin between success and failure.
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Once or twice is unlucky but 5 times now. There is something wrong and someone needs to fix it very quickly or we stay relegated.
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Not good enough and repeating the same mistakes again and again. I wasn't in the RDM
out club, but we're not actually getting any better with the more time the team has to 'gel'. I'm fed up of this in every single fucking game.
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Need to employ a sports psychologist I think. It's surely a mental issue now
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No tactical nous
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Go tonight please robbie
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" Albert Einstein
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Now I'm worried, we just don't seem to be improving, 1 win in 10 is not good enough.
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Beat Preston or appoint Rowett.
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arseholes
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Pathetic,always going to happen with the same shit tactics and trying to hold onto a 1-0 lead.
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Need to employ a sports psychologist I think. It's surely a mental issue now
I read on here earlier that Gollini came out and flapped at the ball that lead to the goal.
How is that a mental issue?
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I expect nothing but misery from Villa now. The Championship is worse than the Premier League - at least there it was made obvious we couldn't compete. Now we've got one of the best squads but still disappoint while playing shite football to boot. Bobby to go, now, and let's try and get it right for once.
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Our last 50 league games have produced 4 wins. There can't be many worse 50 game runs than that in the history of professional football in England.
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Villa fans show passion week in week out ....RDM shows none ...RESIGN tonite !!
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Took 35 minutes for our first shot tonight... poor, this side was playing the likes of Coventry, Fleetwood last season, if we carry on like this we will be playing them next season.
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Westwood - what is his record playing for Villa? It all started going really wrong when he started playing.
Yes that is a fact!
(not really - but feels like it)
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Some teams can win a game by one goal we can't and because we can't we need to score two or more. So forget shoring it up, keeping it tight, playing with nous and everything else that is required to defend a goal lead just get another goal you twats and put the game to bed when you can.
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Tried posting after Barnsley scored but couldn't get on this site. It's getting beyond a joke with every game.
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Beat Preston or appoint Rowett.
Big Sam will sort it out !
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Beat Preston or appoint Rowett.
Big Sam will sort it out !
Or Big Steve!
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Last time we won away from home, Allardyce hadn't even been appointed Sunderland manager.
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It's just the crushing inevitability of it all. We just knew when we went 1-0 up that unless we scored a second it'd finish 1-1. It's too many times now to be bad luck. It's poor management, preparation and a lack of character. I am massively disappointed by Elphick and Jedinak in particular.
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It's just the crushing inevitability of it all. We just knew when we went 1-0 up that unless we scored a second it'd finish 1-1. It's too many times now to be bad luck. It's poor management, preparation and a lack of character. I am massively disappointed by Elphick and Jedinak in particular.
This.
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Is it just coincidence that we do ok when Westwood is not on the pitch but goes pear-shaped when he is. Is he jinxed. If you look back to the better games when Sherwood was in charge, I seem to remember that Westwood was not in the team. Likewise with the few good games with Garde.
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Some teams can win a game by one goal we can't and because we can't we need to score two or more. So forget shoring it up, keeping it tight, playing with nous and everything else that is required to defend a goal lead just get another goal you twats and put the game to bed when you can.
This. It's stating the bleeding obvious but we clearly can't hold on to one goal leads so score fucking two.
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Beat Preston or appoint Rowett.
Big Sam will sort it out !
Or Big Steve!
Or Mental Nige!
*shoots self*
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Scored 10 in 10 with 4 strikers in most games. It's pathetic. Get rid before we get stuck in a relegation fight
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Saw we went 1-0 up and still just knew we would chuck it away. Its crazy - we've only lost two games yet look how depressed we all are. I have no idea how we played tonight but bloody hell....... so frustrating.
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Every brand needs a USP, ours is shipping late goals. It'll be all the rage in China next year...
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The table doesn't lie. At the moment we are the 17th best team in the fucking championship. I think tonight RDM should feel the same as Blackadder did when he was visited in his cell by the firing squad. It,s going to take something special to avoid him being marched into the courtyard...Ready...aim................
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Early in the match thread Risso wrote......
"I think I suggested that side a few days ago, except with Amavi at left back. I like the look of that, and decent options on the bench too."
I was genuinely going to reply at the time
"Yes bring Westwood off the bench to sort it out if it looks like it's going to well"
but I couldn't be arsed at the time.
Now I don't know how it panned out for him, but you couldn't fucking make it up!
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Gollini is a liability and the fact he is playing is all down to RDM.
We need that guy who managed Watford last season.
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Last time we won away from home, Allardyce hadn't even been appointed Sunderland manager.
Starting to feel like he wasn't even born.
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The quality of football in this league is truly awful. A decent Villa side would walk it. However we are struggling. RDM makes Tim look like Clough. Do we stick or twist?
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I am thoroughly depressed...time for bed.
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The only certainties in life are death, taxes and a late fucking equaliser.
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It's like that film, Live, draw, repeat. Bastards.
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It's a mental issue - i.e. It's fucking mental.
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The quality of football in this league is truly awful. A decent Villa side would walk it. However we are struggling. RDM makes Tim look like Clough. Do we stick or twist?
Get rid.
I can't be fucking doing with this shit any more. We gave Lambert way too much time, we shouldn't have appointed Sherwood at all then made the same mistake, and we allowed ourselves to drown in shit under Garde.
Really, get rid now, even by the shit standards of the last six years, 17th in the Championship shouldn't be anywhere near acceptable. Throw in the fact that week in, week out we make exactly the same fucking mistakes and it's totally not on.
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However hard a day at work you've had, whatever domestic strife you have, however much you are worried about money. The Villa lads are always there to make you feel a little more shit.
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Feeling numb, I guess Preston is yet another nailed on draw, 2 points off the bottom 3 with almost a quarter of the season gone, I really feel for our fans who go home and away, what a fuckin nightmare.
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I love how Westwood is still getting blamed by some despite their goal being down to Gollini.
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Can see someone coming in for Ages in January and he will be off like shot.
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The worst thing is the standard in this league is atrocious. Yes everyone battles and make it hard but I haven't seen one good team yet, even Newcastle were rattled in the second half against us once they were put under pressure. We should be in the top two already by now when you consider all the late goals and stupid mistakes. Unacceptable.
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@. Ayew @
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RDM's transfer window, tactics, motivational skills and judgement of a player are starting to look extremely ropey. If the keeper was at fault tonight that's quite a few goals and points he's cost us alone now. Bad judgement. Elphick and Jedinak don't appear to be half the players or leaders we hoped they'd be. Bad judgement. Too much spent on forwards who are struggling to score and not enough on keeper, defence and especially midfield. Bad judgement. The tactical genius of bringing on Gestede and taking off the winger most likely to provide his ammunition. Bad judgement. The tactical genius of bringing on vapour boy Westwood when we need to either close out the game or score again, when he contributes to neither, bad judgement. We may as well have kept fucking Sherwood.
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Fuckin joke end of story
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The quality of football in this league is truly awful. A decent Villa side would walk it. However we are struggling. RDM makes Tim look like Clough. Do we stick or twist?
Abso-bloody-lutley.
Surely we are good enough beat Barnsley, Brentford and suchlike.
I totally agree that we are struggling, and I think it's because the team is shackled, held back by negative tactics.
We have our 20-25 minute spell every game and retreat into out shell, or look half arsed for the rest.
Our only variation appears to be whether our good 20 mins are in the first half or the second.
RDM looks to me to be a fearful (cautious if fearful is too strong a word) manager, and being fearful in this league will win us nothing.
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I love how Westwood is still getting blamed by some despite their goal being down to Gollini.
Yes I know, but he's a poster boy for our malaise. Then finally he's on the bench, we're winning, he comes on, we don't. I guess we got deeper and deeper inviting pressure, we know he can't cope with that defensively.
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" Albert Einstein
Indeed. If only RDM & Co. would heed the blindingly obvious! I fear he (RDM) will soon be having plenty of time in his Leamington mansion to ponder just why everything turned to shit. Again.
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I would imagine Tone will be a tad annoyed.
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Championship goals coming up on SSN if anyone cares
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Championship goals coming up on SSN if anyone cares
seen ours, like our team I'm going to turn off after that one.
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It's bye bye Roberto for me. Not at all good enough. If nothing else we should be practicing last 5 min scenario drills and clearly he and we have learnt nothing at all. 1 win all season is frankly abysmal.
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Was not convinced by any of the Manager candidates, thought give RDM a chance.
His number 2 has a track record but Kevin Bond ?
We desperately needed to win tonight, for all the reasons, We did not want to draw through a late equalizer.
You are winning, 30 mins to go, you do not want to draw, what do you do ?
Either get a second or kill the game and take the win along with the confidence it takes forward.
But this is Aston Villa.
We fucking concede in the 90th min.
We are being Laughed at, because of inept tactics and a couple of "on the pitch leaders" who are not what they were bought for.
Tempers are getting frayed, down to the manager, he picks the team (most of whom he bought) and decides the tactics.
If we do not win at Preston ?
I do not want any of the Flotsam that = previously regurgitated crap floating around to manage but there has to be more astute alternatives, that is someone's job to identify.
I can not see how with the current set up will get promotion this year.
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Im about just about fucking sick of this.
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These late goals feel like defeats.
I hope Dr.Tone realises and sees this from afar, because just seeing the result does not tell the story.
Something radical needs to happen because we are already becoming bogged down in our own shit and this has just got to have a detrimental effect on the team and morale.
I don't think RDM can, or even knows how to change this.
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That was a fucking shit goal to give away. Appalling.
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It sure is a shocker from Gollini!
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Well their equaliser was definitely Westwood's fault ::)
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It sure is a shocker from Gollini!
Again.
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Sam Allardyce would walk this league with this squad. Even now, if he was in by the Wolves game I would have a bet on us winning the league.
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Need to employ a sports psychologist I think. It's surely a mental issue now
I read on here earlier that Gollini came out and flapped at the ball that lead to the goal.
How is that a mental issue?
I haven't seen their goal yet but I don't think Gollini is right for us at the moment. We can't afford to have a young keeper learning his craft, we ned smeone who can hit the ground running. Od analogy for a keeper but you know what I mean.
A large part of any sport is played in the mind and professional fooballers are no exception. The fact that they have conceded very late goals in so many games recently is bound to have a psychological impact when they're in the situation again of being one up with 5 minutes to go as they were tonight. Yes they should be able to see it out but I think it has got to the stage where they need professional help in dealing with that situation. That help clearly isn't coming from the manager and to some extent his tactics are to blame but I believe the psychological aspect needs to be addressed urgently or it will only get worse.
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Mental fragility combined with poor tactics. I mean, ffs, bringing Westwood on to tighten things up - he's the epitome of exactly the opposite. Bring a target man on but take the winger off. Is it any wonder we're all over the shop? RdM had his full squad available to him tonight and we still fucked up. There's something deeply wrong at this club - RdM himself said the whole thing needed knocking down and re-building. I'm coming more to the viewpoint that he's part of the problem and isn't capable of being part of the solution. 10 points from 10 games and two points off the relegation spots with nearly a quarter of the season gone - simply shocking. At least we weren't overtaken by Burton tonight.
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RDM doesn't really seem all that bothered. I was quite positive when he joined but looking like yet another bad choice. Just cannot see how he's going to pull us out of this self inflicted rut.
I'm preparing myself for a relegation fight which is astonishing when you consider we've spent 50m
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Gollini flaps; villa players stand still; opposition attack loose ball; opposition score goal at the death'.
Bag o' shite.
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I would genuinely take Steve Bruce right now.
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I fully expected at least two seasons in this shithouse of a division, and that's what we'll get. However, anything less than a win against Preston and I think we should fuck RDM off and get in a manager who knows what he's doing before the Wolves game. This is unacceptable.
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I would genuinely take Steve Bruce right now.
Read his novels and tell me that again. I know they don't really have any bearing on his ability as a football manager, but still. Jesus.
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Get rid now Dr Tony. Call for Bruce. He's not a bad tactician. He would shut up shop if leading with ten minutes to go. RDM hasn't got a clue.
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I would genuinely take Steve Bruce right now.
Me too.
Or Rowett.
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I would genuinely take Steve Bruce right now.
Have a goodnights sleep, nothing can be that bad
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I would genuinely take Steve Bruce right now.
Well he's had plenty of experience in & around the bottom area. ;)
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Gollini flaps; villa players stand still; opposition attack loose ball; opposition score goal at the death'.
Bag o' shite.
Two Villa players pointing just before the ball comes in to the box for their equalizer. They then run away from the six yard box, completely failing to pick anyone up. Gollini then flaps. They need to take more responsibility collectively. Crap defending yet again. Complete lack of concentration.
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Who the fuck said it would be 'fun in the championship. It will be good to enjoy our football again.'
Come on, own up, who chatted that shit?
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Who the fuck said it would be 'fun in the championship. It will be good to enjoy our football again.'
Come on, own up, who chatted that shit?
It was the naοve view that simply dropping down a division automatically meant we were going to win a lot more games.
We're winning as many games as last season ffs.
I really think if we don't win at PNE RDM is going to be potted.
He's not had that long but the same things keep happening that deny us wins so clearly it's not being drilled into them in the training ground. Our attacking play remains unconvincing, we didn't have many shots tonight.
It's simply not good enough, 1 win at this stage is abysmal.
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Who the fuck said it would be 'fun in the championship. It will be good to enjoy our football again.'
Come on, own up, who chatted that shit?
It will be replaced soon with "It is to soon for us to go up" what ever that rubbish means.
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I would genuinely take Steve Bruce right now.
Me too.
Or Rowett.
Rowett for me. If it's no I'd also take Bruce or even a sneaky bid for Mark Hughes.
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Stoke are even worse than us!
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Steve Bruce looks permanently on the verge of exploding these days but I'd take him. Knows the league and he'll turn these points into wins. He's not great by any stretch and I'd bin him as soon as we get back up (probably a bridge too far already this season) but he surely cannot throw away as many points as RDM. And he might play a more balanced formation.
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It's really quite impressive, no matter what league we are in, there are always 16-19 or so teams better than us.
That's quite the achievement.
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Stoke are even worse than us!
Oh are they? What the fuck do I know! I thought they have done well since he was there. I tend not to look at that league anymore at the moment. I bloody hate this game.
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Midfield/ defense, crap again.
We have Identified the Midfield as fans for years, are we blind ?
two poor defenders the captain and Jelphick , ok he is a midfielder, Sorry a very average Clarke was the best central defender on the pitch at the weekend.
Agree, do you need a rookie goalkeeper in this fight ? although our back up is not great.
Frustration, Frustration, No win at Preston and time for the Taxi.
We are not here to hang around and stagnate, owners have pumped in the money and expect better, as do we.
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Stoke are even worse than us!
They're this seasons Aston Villa up there. Dreadful. And Hughes is having similar problems to us. A lot of mercurial players and no fucking idea how to play them together, at the expense of team balance. Add to that a dodgy backline and suspect goalkeepers, negating any chance of grinding out results whilst the too many cooks up top fail to find a winning recipe.
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It's really quite impressive, no matter what league we are in, there are always 16-19 or so teams better than us.
That's quite the achievement.
Even when we play 4th division sides it's a coin flip if they'll give us a shoeing or not.
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Gollini flaps; villa players stand still; opposition attack loose ball; opposition score goal at the death'.
Bag o' shite.
Two Villa players pointing just before the ball comes in to the box for their equalizer. They then run away from the six yard box, completely failing to pick anyone up. Gollini then flaps. They need to take more responsibility collectively. Crap defending yet again. Complete lack of concentration.
There were so many of the buggers doing f-all - it's absolutely scandalous. Unfortunately I have no confidence in our current management team to sort these idiots out - so stand by for continual defensive ineptitude until DR X gets somebody in who knows what he's sodding-well doing.
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It's really quite impressive, no matter what league we are in, there are always 16-19 or so teams better than us.
That's quite the achievement.
Even when we play 4th division sides it's a coin flip if they'll give us a shoeing or not.
Basically, we can never start a football match with any degree of confidence that we will prevail come 90 minutes, no matter who we are playing.
Staggering stuff.
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It's really quite impressive, no matter what league we are in, there are always 16-19 or so teams better than us.
That's quite the achievement.
Even when we play 4th division sides it's a coin flip if they'll give us a shoeing or not.
Basically, we can never start a football match with any degree of confidence that we will prevail come 90 minutes, no matter who we are playing.
Staggering stuff.
I've got an idea...let's spend another 50m on another five strikers.....
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Even Denso would fancy their chances!
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It's really quite impressive, no matter what league we are in, there are always 16-19 or so teams better than us.
That's quite the achievement.
Even when we play 4th division sides it's a coin flip if they'll give us a shoeing or not.
Basically, we can never start a football match with any degree of confidence that we will prevail come 90 minutes, no matter who we are playing.
Staggering stuff.
Oh I dont know, I was absolutely convinced we would give Luton a good gubbing beforehand. I really don't know what the answer is but I'm coming round to the idea that it certainly isn't RDM.
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Get this idiot away from our club as quick as possible!
It takes a special kind of idiot to come out on OS to say we are hitting top gear after one win in 9, then preside over another abomination of a performance with the customary late goal to cost us another two points!
We have supposedly gone out and bought the best attack in the championship, that doesn't mean they don't do shooting practice you moron!
Get out now!
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Play that Rotherham home game now, and we'd be looking at no wins from ten.
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I'm pleased that Bruce is likely to get the England job. I just hope Palace stick with Pardew.
Hopefully Warnock and Pearson are no goes too.
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Aside from the lack of mental fortitude that results in constant late goals conceded, how are we so crap at scoring goals?
Ayew, Grealish, Gestede, McCormack, Adamoah, Kodija = 10 league goals scored and on paper thats the best attacking options in the league
Have we scored from a set piece yet either?
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Is that now 4 wins in 50 games?
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Have we scored from a set piece yet either?
The last home game ?
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RDM, a fancy dan appointment that was always going to fail at this level. Forget him bringing up the Albion. That team was way ahead of what he took on at Villa. Sitting on the sidelines looking completely disengaged...time for a change.
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Spent 50 Mil and you can only win one game in 10 league games in the championship
really pathetic RDM
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I imagine RDM got a lot of abuse as he walked off...the tunnel is right in the corner by the away stand.
You can feel it bubbling up now...Brentford 2nd half was a turning point and I think it would've gone off if Newcastle had gone 2 up on Saturday.
Preston will be pretty lively one way or the other, bizarrely looking forward to going.
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Have we scored from a set piece yet either?
Tshibola v Newcastle
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Can't see RDM getting another decent job if he fluffs the chance he's had with Villa. The money and infrastructure this club has got and he can't organise the team.
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Aston Villa: consistently gutless
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I would genuinely take Steve Bruce right now.
Me too.
Or Rowett.
The position is cursed. Whoever we appoint will fail. We turned Paul Lambert into a hot managerial prospect into a failure that ended his career resembling a tramp. Garde went from a bright eyed smiling prospect to being completely destroyed. Now RDM is appearing unshaven and a beaten man. The one thing that might work for Bruce is that as he proceeds to fail as our manager he'd lose a load of weight.
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Garde went through the motions and picked up his salary.
I think RDM is the same.
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Can't see RDM getting another decent job if he fluffs the chance he's had with Villa. The money and infrastructure this club has got and he can't organise the team.
How many managers have gone onto bigger and better things after leaving/be fired by the Villa... SGT mk1?
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Aston Villa: consistently gutless
This conceding late goals thing. It's not just this season is it? That's the worrying thing. It's reached a new low, but it's been going on for fucking years.
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Can't see RDM getting another decent job if he fluffs the chance he's had with Villa. The money and infrastructure this club has got and he can't organise the team.
How many managers have gone onto bigger and better things after leaving/be fired by the Villa... SGT mk1?
Mercer.
MON might try and claim being manager of Ireland is a step up I suppose.
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Every brand needs a USP, ours is shipping late goals. It'll be all the rage in China next year...
The Beijing Casuals will demand it every game.
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Where are the leaders on the pitch? I thought that is what we were getting by going for experienced players in the spine of the team. There is little a manager can during those late minutes, it is up to those on the pitch to show some bottle and not let it keep happening. Before anyone starts, I am not trying to absolve the manager of responsibility but the players also really need to look at themselves and question why it keeps happening. If it doesn't change then the manager will inevitably pay the price but the mental fragility that allows this to happen can only be changed from within.
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Can't see RDM getting another decent job if he fluffs the chance he's had with Villa. The money and infrastructure this club has got and he can't organise the team.
How many managers have gone onto bigger and better things after leaving/be fired by the Villa... SGT mk1?
Mercer.
MON might try and claim being manager of Ireland is a step up I suppose.
Docherty?
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There was a time when the Villa job was genuinely attractive.
Managers of all abilities (and some with none) wanted it, and wanted to make their mark in the club's history. Clough, Taylor, Atkinson, Svennis -whoever.
DOL was the first in my lifetime who looked like he had come to coast. Good first season, not so good second season. Pick up the cheque and just phone it in.
Since then -apart from O'Neill (and maybe McLeish) I get the feeling that the payoff for failure is more attractive than the prospect of actually cracking it.
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Where are the leaders on the pitch? I thought that is what we were getting by going for experienced players in the spine of the team. There is little a manager can during those late minutes, it is up to those on the pitch to show some bottle and not let it keep happening. Before anyone starts, I am not trying to absolve the manager of responsibility but the players also really need to look at themselves and question why it keeps happening. If it doesn't change then the manager will inevitably pay the price but the mental fragility that allows this to happen can only be changed from within.
But shouldn't the manager be responsible for making sure that the players are both physically and mentally prepared for the game, it doesn't seem to matter if we are playing Man Utd or Macclesfield, they'd both fancy themselves to overturn a deficit in the last few minutes. If RDM can't overcome these mental barriers then let's try someone else. Or an exorcist.
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I would genuinely take Steve Bruce right now.
He might have a better offer...
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Balance between knee jerk reaction and considered approach has gone. One in ten. FFS. I hate changing manager but really, id say he bought them, he lives or dies by them and RDM, not good enough.
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Where are the leaders on the pitch? I thought that is what we were getting by going for experienced players in the spine of the team. There is little a manager can during those late minutes, it is up to those on the pitch to show some bottle and not let it keep happening. Before anyone starts, I am not trying to absolve the manager of responsibility but the players also really need to look at themselves and question why it keeps happening. If it doesn't change then the manager will inevitably pay the price but the mental fragility that allows this to happen can only be changed from within.
But shouldn't the manager be responsible for making sure that the players are both physically and mentally prepared for the game, it doesn't seem to matter if we are playing Man Utd or Macclesfield, they'd both fancy themselves to overturn a deficit in the last few minutes. If RDM can't overcome these mental barriers then let's try someone else. Or an exorcist.
As I said I am not making excuses for him but the experienced players should be taking the responsibility on the pitch during this last few minutes. These are men with hundred of games under their belts and they should be leading the younger players by example yet I see no evidence of it.
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We'd probably be no worse off points wise if we had retained the core of last year's squad (or even just Guzan).
My worry is a new manager will face the same problems in relation to our piss poor midfield.
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Where are the leaders on the pitch? I thought that is what we were getting by going for experienced players in the spine of the team. There is little a manager can during those late minutes, it is up to those on the pitch to show some bottle and not let it keep happening. Before anyone starts, I am not trying to absolve the manager of responsibility but the players also really need to look at themselves and question why it keeps happening. If it doesn't change then the manager will inevitably pay the price but the mental fragility that allows this to happen can only be changed from within.
I agree with this. The last 5 mins capitulation is players responsibility however RDM is culpable for letting it go on.
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The routine's getting stale. We need new material.
The last two seasons have been like watching a poor Aston Villa tribute act
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And a piss poor midfield is whos fault? Enough time and money yes. If these were decent sides we were conceding against so be it, but ffs, Barnsley, Luton, Sheffield Wed, Bristol City, Notts Forest, Huddrsfield? You either accept it and settle for second best or you say nope, not good enough, move on. Backroom staff included.
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"Mental Nige" should have been appointed in the summer.
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The guy sat next to me on coach 3 threw up all over himself somewhere in South Yorkshire. Another 30 miles to go according to Google maps. Deep joy.
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Im about just about fucking sick of this.
Yup. I am getting close to taking a break. Honestly football used to be fun, I enjoyed the highs and lows, but the past few years of constant grey monotone decline have just about killed any enjoyment I have. My "there is always next game" optimism has finally been depleted.*
*yeah I know self indulgent whining isnt very attractive, sorry, just getting close to taking a break from being angry every week/few days. It is doing me no good.
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The guy sat next to me on coach 3 threw up all over himself somewhere in South Yorkshire. Another 30 miles to go according to Google maps. Deep joy.
It's the night that keeps giving.
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"Mental Nige" should have been appointed in the summer.
Why, so we'd definitely have sacked a manager today?
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I don't know why everyone is worried - when our world class striker starts scoring we will race up the table. Can someone remind me of his name?
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I don't know why everyone is worried - when our world class striker starts scoring we will race up the table. Can someone remind me of his name?
OG
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Balance between knee jerk reaction and considered approach has gone. One in ten. FFS. I hate changing manager but really, id say he bought them, he lives or dies by them and RDM, not good enough.
Never mind one in ten, 3 in 47 sounds far worse!!! Has any team ever been that bad? Do I support the worst team in the history of football?
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Just got back - come on Tony - get rid of him.
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Starting to look like it's inevitable that the Villa Park revolving door will see Di Matteo heading out and ex England manager Allardice heading in. The current stalemate won't be tolerated by our Chinese masters for much longer. 50 million spent on a team that is 2 points off bottom 3 is totally unacceptable.
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I can't see Allardyce getting another chance anywhere for a while
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I can't see Allardyce getting another chance anywhere for a while
I think he'd be too embarrassed to take another job for a while. I think he'll hide away in shame till next year sometime.
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If we do need to replace RDM the last thing we need is to appoint someone like Allardyce who will be under massive scrutiny and pressure from the media. It's a tough enough job as it is right now and without that added crap.
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Just got back my first away game for ages.
We actually played some nice stuff in the second half but our final ball is simply atrocious at times and Grealish had easily his worst game of the season so fair.
The keeper is a liability at the moment his punching was suspect all night. I know Westwood gets the blame for a lot. But I honestly think when he replaced Tshibola with him we once again lost momentum and invited them onto us. Jedinak who I thought had an okay game was suddenly seemingly isolated.
Ultimately we are too pretty up front we try and score perfect goals and we are just a bit dodgy at the back. But I honestly think with some decent training ground work with more tactical managers than ours we would move up the league quickly. I honestly don't think Di Matteo is going to cut the mustard here.
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I can't see Allardyce getting another chance anywhere for a while
I think he'd be too embarrassed to take another job for a while. I think he'll hide away in shame till next year sometime.
While what he did isn't illegal it was simply fucking stupid given the job he had and the money he was making. He has proven himself to be entirely untrustworthy and essentially immoral. While there is immense hypocrisy in football with regards to how much these people are paid (players, agents, managers etc etc) it will be viewed with immense skepticism whenever he does rear his fat head again in management.
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Just got home from the return journey from hell. It's like driving 2 hours each way to watch the same film you see every fcuking week. I think their equaliser could have been seen coming from the moon...I'm tired of saying it but until we have the mental strength to kill teams off, we will see this time and time again. It's become a serious mental block for us and it has to be addressed. Finally, this keeper gives me nightmares. Goodnight
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At least the half-time meat and potato pie was of a good standard; the best so far this season.
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you know I am beginning to think some deity has singled us out for some industrial strength condemnation. We buy good players, they put on a C&B shirt and suddenly turn to shit.
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I haven't seen their equaliser yet.Who was to blame apart from Gollini?
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Credit to the pitch invader though for managing to look more idiotic than RDM.
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Beat Preston or appoint Rowett.
Don't mention that ******, cost me my bet tonight
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"Mental Nige" should have been appointed in the summer.
Is that a joke?
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Finally home at 4AM. A long time to think about yet another last gasp equaliser. Just when will they learn to close out a game. It's so depressing to think that without the lay minute madness we would be top!
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problem is when you know you can trouser a couple of million for failing - and get re-employed somewhere else on the gravy train, because football never learns - why bother trying to succeed?
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Went last night, 1st half was poor from both sides
For a 20 minute spell in the 2nd half we played some decent stuff, but as soon as we went 1 up we reverted to type, and tried to see the game out, instead of going for the 2nd goal to kill off the game, we conceded corner after corner and just invite pressure, it is like ground hog day over and over again
The likes of Ayew and Grealish, beat players easily, but they need to start to pass too players in better positions to have a shot at goal
RDM for me has 1 game to save his job! he must win Saturday
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Just got back my first away game for ages.
We actually played some nice stuff in the second half but our final ball is simply atrocious at times and Grealish had easily his worst game of the season so fair.
The keeper is a liability at the moment his punching was suspect all night. I know Westwood gets the blame for a lot. But I honestly think when he replaced Tshibola with him we once again lost momentum and invited them onto us. Jedinak who I thought had an okay game was suddenly seemingly isolated.
Ultimately we are too pretty up front we try and score perfect goals and we are just a bit dodgy at the back. But I honestly think with some decent training ground work with more tactical managers than ours we would move up the league quickly. I honestly don't think Di Matteo is going to cut the mustard here.
That's how I saw it. If Grealish had been subbed with McCormack with about 15 minutes to go, I think we'd have held on, both because Grealish was poor and fading and also because McC would have added some steel.
My main beef, watching the game 'in the flesh', was the appalling lack of ball retention; and pretty much every player was guilty of giving the ball away, frequently and cheaply. That is a coaching issue. Simple as, and not what I expected when Clarke / RdM were appointed.
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Just got back my first away game for ages.
We actually played some nice stuff in the second half but our final ball is simply atrocious at times and Grealish had easily his worst game of the season so fair.
The keeper is a liability at the moment his punching was suspect all night. I know Westwood gets the blame for a lot. But I honestly think when he replaced Tshibola with him we once again lost momentum and invited them onto us. Jedinak who I thought had an okay game was suddenly seemingly isolated.
Ultimately we are too pretty up front we try and score perfect goals and we are just a bit dodgy at the back. But I honestly think with some decent training ground work with more tactical managers than ours we would move up the league quickly. I honestly don't think Di Matteo is going to cut the mustard here.
That's how I saw it. If Grealish had been subbed with McCormack with about 15 minutes to go, I think we'd have held on, both because Grealish was poor and fading and also because McC would have added some steel.
This. But RDM didn't see it and we threw it away again.
I think RDM is in the last chance saloon as I tried to work out his formation. We seem to have stumbled into a 4-1-2-3 which seems completely unbalanced and defensively suspect. Have we actually controlled a game and dominated for 90 minutes yet? He's another chancer isn't he?
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Garde went through the motions and picked up his salary.
I think RDM is the same.
100% agree
he has never looked interested
goodbye roberto thanks for fuck all you c***
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Yes Grealish off for McCormack for the last 20. Poor decision making from him in front of goal. What the hell was that Barnsley fan thinking when they scored?? Fed up of making very ordinary opposition feel like they've won the bloody Cup Final every week.
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This Barnsley side beat Wolves 4-0 two weeks ago. Yet I thought they were a jack average side until we invited them on in the last 15 minutes. That's the biggest frustration we have no divine right to just turn up and win games but so far this season I have seen no opposition team that genuinely frightens us. Which makes us languishing in 17th after ten games simply an unacceptable position.
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1-0 up, 3 minutes to go.
Take off a winger and put on a centre forward!!
Why not bring Baker or Hutton on and still move Kodja out wide? The worst tactical substitution i've seen in a long time!
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Got back very late last night.
The first half was a carbon copy of much of what has already gone this season. Nothing of note at either end. We never looked like being under great pressure but didn't do enough in an attacking sense either.
We dominated the second half really. Adomah is a proper right winger and offered a great out ball. 4-3-3 will get the best out of him and Ayew. We should have been out of sight, lost count of the times we got to the byline.
Tshibola was fucked and was misplacing a number of passes so could understand the sub. That substitution would be a red herring for why we drew again. Our two centre halves, Elphick in particular, and keeper were poor again.
I'm afraid if we can't defend high balls and crosses into our box, we won't achieve anything.
Glimpses of a pacy, attacking side second half but it probably won't be RDM at the helm when we see the best of them.
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I now refuse to listen to or keep up with away matches but my lad came whooping down the stairs when we scored - I fixed him with a steely glare that sent him scurrying away until he re-appeared at full-time with the expected news of the equaliser and a "sorry Dad" - we had a man-hug and spoke no more about it...
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Another frustrating evening we were so much the better side but our lack of killer instinct in front of goal is proving so costly. The amount of times we we got into the penalty box and failed to finish off promising situations is a concern. I thought Tshibola was excellent until he got injured towards the end and Ayew was always a threat.Grealish is an enigma. He looks so comfortable on the ball but then at times can't complete a simple pass.We also need to wise up to the championship quickly, we need to get nastier. There was a couple of occasions,we went on dangerous counter attacks only to be hacked down by Barnsley defenders taking one for the team. The biggest concern for me is the Keeper..decent shot stopper but poor at everything else. The only positive from last night there was a lot of draws so we haven't lost too much ground.
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I now refuse to listen to or keep up with away matches but my lad came whooping down the stairs when we scored - I fixed him with a steely glare that sent him scurrying away until he re-appeared at full-time with the expected news of the equaliser and a "sorry Dad" - we had a man-hug and spoke no more about it...
Isn't it sad that your son and you aren't able to enjoy Villa taking the lead, because you just know what will happen. It's utterly unacceptable.
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I didn't see last night's collapse, so I'm asking those who did, was it the case that we sat back in our own half trying to protect the lead on 80 minutes? If this is still happening, then I seriously question the manager's thinking - or ability to think.
We now know that sitting back to preserve a slender lead is counterproductive it almost certainly means we will surrender that lead. The evidence is overwhelming. So why not try the alternative? Attack as a unit.
Attack, and you have a chance of scoring. You put the opposition under pressure. You give them something to worry about. If they hit you on the break and you concede, the worst that will happen is what would certainly have happened if you'd sat back. It's about percentages if the opposition is on the back foot, you have more chance of scoring, they have less chance. Any gambler can work it out.
So just fucking attack. Have a plan for it. When players are tiring towards the end, bring on a McCormack to keep the tempo up. Plan for the final ten minutes. Don't just sit back, cowering and panicky until the inevitable happens, then wonder why it did. It's not luck, it's a part of the game. Legislate for it.
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I now refuse to listen to or keep up with away matches but my lad came whooping down the stairs when we scored - I fixed him with a steely glare that sent him scurrying away until he re-appeared at full-time with the expected news of the equaliser and a "sorry Dad" - we had a man-hug and spoke no more about it...
I just don't tell my lad anymore. He probably thinks we're top.
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I now refuse to listen to or keep up with away matches but my lad came whooping down the stairs when we scored - I fixed him with a steely glare that sent him scurrying away until he re-appeared at full-time with the expected news of the equaliser and a "sorry Dad" - we had a man-hug and spoke no more about it...
Isn't it sad that your son and you aren't able to enjoy Villa taking the lead, because you just know what will happen. It's utterly unacceptable.
It is no joke - since the Leicester capitulation last season I have found it such an anxiety-inducing experience I simply cannot do it. Being at home matches at least I can rant and rave! Sick of it mate...
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I now refuse to listen to or keep up with away matches but my lad came whooping down the stairs when we scored - I fixed him with a steely glare that sent him scurrying away until he re-appeared at full-time with the expected news of the equaliser and a "sorry Dad" - we had a man-hug and spoke no more about it...
I just don't tell my lad anymore. He probably thinks we're top.
My 9 year old daughter this morning asked "did we draw again Dad" ..she thinks drawing is like winning
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One thing's for sure I won't park in the Queen St car park next season - it took an hour to get out.
26 different away grounds Villa have visited since we last won away, and still the support on the road is fantastic. It must be a staggering number of pints drunk by Villa fans on their travels since last seeing a win.
Roll on Saturday!
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I think Di Matteo is a busted flush now, turning these late goals into three points would put us in second place in the Championship.
How long does this become luck or tactical incompetance?
Also with our expensive strikers the lack of goals to chances scored ratio is poor, we can't keep on saying it'll turn, I think he has a bit more than the next game to keep his job but not much more.
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I didn't see last night's collapse, so I'm asking those who did, was it the case that we sat back in our own half trying to protect the lead on 80 minutes? If this is still happening, then I seriously question the manager's thinking - or ability to think.
We now know that sitting back to preserve a slender lead is counterproductive it almost certainly means we will surrender that lead. The evidence is overwhelming. So why not try the alternative? Attack as a unit.
Attack, and you have a chance of scoring. You put the opposition under pressure. You give them something to worry about. If they hit you on the break and you concede, the worst that will happen is what would certainly have happened if you'd sat back. It's about percentages if the opposition is on the back foot, you have more chance of scoring, they have less chance. Any gambler can work it out.
So just fucking attack. Have a plan for it. When players are tiring towards the end, bring on a McCormack to keep the tempo up. Plan for the final ten minutes. Don't just sit back, cowering and panicky until the inevitable happens, then wonder why it did. It's not luck, it's a part of the game. Legislate for it.
No it was the opposite, we kept all our attacking options and were far too open. It became an end to end game.
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2 things that you do not need to play 30 games as Villa manager to learn:
1) Grealish never lasts 90 min, he is all heart and no brains. Charge around for 60 min until tank is totally empty and then stalls.
2) Westwood is useless for most things but especially if you want to protect a slim lead. Its not so much what he does wrong its what he doesn't do. He do not put our attackers in play fast enough for them to pose a threat. Since the other side defense can focus on pressure och supporting their own attackers we lose all initiative. If the score is even or we are behind , Westwood just makes us dull, predicatable and uncreative. But when we are ahead, when the other team have to act...then he is the one that invites their offensive. When he pass or direct (point) its so obvious to the opposition. His passes rarely bring opportunity...only risk to make mistakes.
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Allardyce would have a small chance of fixing this shit we find ourselves in.
Now...from a PR standpoint they may not have the nuts to do it..
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No, Westwood sent on with instructions to sit 10 yards in front of the back four with Jedinak and compress the space between the defence is a player going out with a specific task. It would let Tishbola press and the wide men to do like wise, with an outball Westwood is capable of playing into the channel for the rapid Kodjia.
Last night we lost the ball on the edge of their box with Westwood 30 yards in front of Jedinak, who was left on his own in the middle, completely isolated.
What was explained to Westwood when he went on? I imagine fuck all is the answer.
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I didn't see last night's collapse, so I'm asking those who did, was it the case that we sat back in our own half trying to protect the lead on 80 minutes? If this is still happening, then I seriously question the manager's thinking - or ability to think.
We now know that sitting back to preserve a slender lead is counterproductive it almost certainly means we will surrender that lead. The evidence is overwhelming. So why not try the alternative? Attack as a unit.
Attack, and you have a chance of scoring. You put the opposition under pressure. You give them something to worry about. If they hit you on the break and you concede, the worst that will happen is what would certainly have happened if you'd sat back. It's about percentages if the opposition is on the back foot, you have more chance of scoring, they have less chance. Any gambler can work it out.
So just fucking attack. Have a plan for it. When players are tiring towards the end, bring on a McCormack to keep the tempo up. Plan for the final ten minutes. Don't just sit back, cowering and panicky until the inevitable happens, then wonder why it did. It's not luck, it's a part of the game. Legislate for it.
No it was the opposite, we kept all our attacking options and were far too open. It became an end to end game.
Right, I thought I read somewhere that the last ten minutes was a panic job. I think it's difficult to panic when you're on the attack.
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There shouldn't have been panic and there wasn't, as they didn't create a tap. One free kick in the first half, plenty of bluster, then nothing in the second until a good ball that was excellently defended by Adomah.
Last two or three minutes though we gave it away cheaply, but Gollini made one save all game.
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We gave too many needless corners away towards the end..we lack composure at the back especially towards the end of games. This maybe due to the lack of confidence the defence may have in the goalkeeper.
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It's just the crushing inevitability of it all. We just knew when we went 1-0 up that unless we scored a second it'd finish 1-1. It's too many times now to be bad luck. It's poor management, preparation and a lack of character. I am massively disappointed by Elphick and Jedinak in particular.
This 100%
I think both are crap - would prefer Gardner to Jedinak and Baker in next to Chester
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Other than a 15-20 minute spell in the second half, I thought we were poor last night. Not for the first time, the second goal would have killed the game off and why we're incapable of it is anyone's guess. With the amount of corners they were getting at the end, you just knew the goal was coming.
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Other than a 15-20 minute spell in the second half, I thought we were poor last night. Not for the first time, the second goal would have killed the game off and why we're incapable of it is anyone's guess. With the amount of corners they were getting at the end, you just knew the goal was coming.
You are generally quite patient compared to some of us, so how long would you give RDM now to start getting the wins we need?
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Other than a 15-20 minute spell in the second half, I thought we were poor last night. Not for the first time, the second goal would have killed the game off and why we're incapable of it is anyone's guess. With the amount of corners they were getting at the end, you just knew the goal was coming.
You are generally quite patient compared to some of us, so how long would you give RDM now to start getting the wins we need?
I'd still like to see him given as long as possible as long as the performances are there because overall, I don't think we've played that badly this season. Last night was really poor though which was a worry. Wins do need to start coming though.
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There's still not enough leadership or players taking responsibility for me. On 80 minutes we needed someone (Jedinak, Elphick, anyone...) getting in their team mates faces saying "WE DO NOT GIVE THIS AWAY AGAIN. WE DO NOT FUCK THIS UP TONIGHT "
When they get an 89th corner why weren't there Villa players players screaming in each other's faces "OVER MY DEAD BODY DO WE CONCEDE A GOAL HERE". Or to Gollini - "IF THE BALL COMES NEAR YOU, YOU MAKE IT YOURS EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT EVERYONE IN YOUR WAY!"
Instead we mope around like dopy, disinterested fucking twats.
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Walked my 8 yr old son to school today and delivered the news about Villa's latest surrender. He shrugged his shoulders in withering acceptance of our ineptitude then asked me a question -
'Who's your favourite Villa player Dad?'
We shuffled along in silence for 20 yards until he realised I was struggling to give him an answer.
'Who's yours?' I asked him. There followed a further 20 yards of silence until he replied, 'what we having for tea tonight?'
We're all out of words. Cheers Villa, how many more Villa loving fathers & sons are having their enthusiasm slowly squeezed out of them until we're bone dry? I could weep.
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I now refuse to listen to or keep up with away matches but my lad came whooping down the stairs when we scored - I fixed him with a steely glare that sent him scurrying away until he re-appeared at full-time with the expected news of the equaliser and a "sorry Dad" - we had a man-hug and spoke no more about it...
I just don't tell my lad anymore. He probably thinks we're top.
My 9 year old daughter this morning asked "did we draw again Dad" ..she thinks drawing is like winning
My 6-year-old daughter started asking me last season 'when are the Villa gonna win?'
'August bab' I assured her. Neither of us knew it would be August, and only August.
It's a good job I made the most of the I told you so's after that Rotherham game.
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My sons and I are having it squeezed out of us and they have 70+ years on the Holte between them. I think, I know I can take everything thrown at us except the endless expectation of patience. Success flows from decisiveness, failure from indecisiveness.
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The Dr hasn't spent £30m+ to win one game, struggle to score, be near the relegation zone and generally be a joke in this division too. RDM is shit, it's plain to see, mistake after mistake and we are getting worse, the last 4 games have been our worst of the season. We flop from formation to formation looking to find something that works but now it's starting to look a confusing mess. He will be sacked after we draw 1-1 with Preston, does him and his pals on the bench even look interested?
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He's gorra go Tom.
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2 things that you do not need to play 30 games as Villa manager to learn:
1) Grealish never lasts 90 min, he is all heart and no brains. Charge around for 60 min until tank is totally empty and then stalls.
Spot on. He was bent double gasping for breath last night with about 20 minutes to go. In fact when Tish got pulled off Grealish was staring at the bench just before that in what I can only assume was a "I'm fcuked, I need subbing off" look.
Other thoughts on last night:
I clocked Steve Clark in a heated conversation with some fans as they headed down the tunnel after the whistle. Not a happy bunch of campers.
Chester was rocky. Gave the ball away a couple of times in risky positions.
I thought Jedeniak was OK. Won a lot of headers, broke up play - did what we pay him to do.
Tish too - though his passing ain't the best (putting it mildly).
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Aren't we getting to the stage now that only a moron would fail to see that with the combination of midfielders we have and their different weaknesses that we absolutely need to have 3 in the middle. Tough that we spent a shed load on attacking players, the engine room is where games are controlled and won and we must shape the team around the midfield to try and get the best out of it.
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I'd agree about going three in the middle. Maybe with Gardner playing a bit further forward than the other two seeing as he has a decent shot on him. It would also protect the back line a little more as well.
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Listening to RDM on the radio this morning, one thing that struck me about his reply to the fact we have conceded at the death, was his claim that we should have been 3 up by then.
Maybe so. It struck me as being 'Keeganeske'. We do seem very top heavy with the emphasis on attack and very little defence. This of course is fine as long as your strikers are prolific. This would be a folly at the next level.
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we've snagged the most free scoring forwards in the league - typical that when they pull on a Villa shirt, that prowess deserts them
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If we were 3-0 up last night it would have been very flattering, he's going in to the realms of expecting every shot to be a goal.
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in which case we'd have scored about 700
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in which case we'd have scored about 700
And would still find a way to draw.
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The bloke is tactically inept.
Just one simple example - we have every single player back in our box for every corner - which means if we do clear it, it just keeps coming back , to put us under more pressure. It also means the attacking team can commit more players forward.
Pressure on pressure - leads to the inevitable surrender.
As soon as Bacuna got injured last night, you knew where they were going to attack - why wasn't Hutton brought on immediately insteas do f the usual buggering about by our 'coaching' staff ?
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What I see is that with all the players we've signed we are confusing ourselves. Trying to be too clever. The start of the season even a miserable git like me could see we were playing pretty well but missing the killer touch, we've now fiddled and twiddled and look pretty poor. Whatever we were doing in the first 5 or so games we need to return to.
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Firstly - my first trip in a long time to an away game, especially at a dump like Oakwell. Parked on the sports complex car park for £4 and did not even to attempt to turn car on after game until around 11pm. Total chaos with a complete free for all to get off the site and through a 1800 housing estate in single file.
The game
Saw line up and assumed 4 2 3 1 and was pleased especially with Westwood dropped. First half we were awful but so were they so a drab 0-0 was probably fair. 2nd half so much attacking play up to the final 3rd then shambolic movement & decision making resulted in total frustration and this was evident in the crowd and then filtered through to the team. It is clear that some of the "bigger" reputations are not living up to the billing and I do wonder what format of coaching they do all week as some of the basics of positioning, ball retention and control are clearly lacking. The amount of times clearances were scuffed either to opposition or out of play was unbelievable, it may be the Championship but these are very well paid footballers and they at times look like pub players skill levels. I know its easier to see in the stands but the space some of our players got only for the controller of the ball to turn back or inside was unreal. In fairness we scored after a period of pressure and then failed to capitalise on a further 10 minutes of pressure up to the box area then we were woeful.
Gollini - 1st half nothing of note bar one save - 2nd half his piss poor command of area I just knew would bite us - catch the fucking thing you tart not punch it!
Bacuna - apart from a few wayward passes thought he was pretty good TBH - his tracking back and tackling in my eyes makes him the best RB we have
Elphick - Garbage. Insists on taking ball off keeper then does fuck all with it other than bring pressure on our defence. Does not dominate in air for big guy and considering h is a vocal leader his line management of defence is shambolic - I would drop at present and play Baker
Chester - Though he was decent and certainly the stand out CH of the 2. Would be better suited on right - see above
Cissoku - defensively ok'ish - anywhere over the half way line and as soon as ball goes to him its end of move - never seen such a less confident footballer
Adomah - great at times and decent in the air - final ball and decision making was poor
Grealish - at times really looks and acts the part, at other times a liability - was clearly shagged after 65 mins and needed to be changed - poor management
Jedinak - ponderous, slow keeping up with play, gets lost in no mans land and passing poor at times - have not seen a single reason why so many thought he was the answer
Tshibola - Thought he was pretty good at times although gave ball away cheaply at others - ran out of gas and changed at correct time.
Ayew - usual. Disinterested for most of it, not in game in 1st half had a burst and terrified them 2nd half, poor decision making as always but took goal well.
Kodja - Looks the part at times and makes decent runs - trying to hard to "smash" the ball in at times - most worrying thing was his runs into the box was either missed by delivery or his run was the wrong way - did become isolated at times as there was not support in final 3rd
Subs:
Gestede - until we learn how to use and support him he is a complete waste of time to bring on
Westwood - Meh
Manager / Coaching
Clearly this team / squad is geared up for 433 so is it arrogance or ineptitude that is insisting on everything but. Clearly the change last night other than Tshibola was McCormack for Grealish - how he did not see that was beyond me. And as for Clarke and coaching - I mentioned at the start the amateurish levels of control, passing and general play makes me wonder what the fuck do they do on the training ground. Also - does Clarke actually attend the games as they may as well have a cardboard cut out for all the interaction he has
Don't want a sacking this early but this is simply not good enough. I am not sure Dr Tony is so patient.
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the comments about players and the manager and such don't get the problem. Villa have learned to lose. Its cultural and psychological. The whole of football now knows that if Villa are leading 1-0 with ten minutes to go they will lose a goal. Panic is
now standard. The players are dominated by fear and the result is inevitable.
Changing the manager, the players, even the owner has made no difference. Bad appointments can't be an excuse, it goes on and on so the problem is psychological
Bring in a sports psychologist and accept that no other change will do.
You could put Guardiola, Messi and Ronaldo in at the Villa and they would all be destroyed, this club has learnt how to lose football matches
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He's gorra go Tom.
Can i have a Bronx 'at?
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I think Trevor Fisher has a point.
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Enjoyed my first away for a while and saw a lot of old faces, I can't believe some people are still going after all these years, and all the shit we've had. They deserve medals.
As for the game, we need to sharpen up somewhat in order to win games. No extra touch, no inviting pressure by playing out from the back, pick up second balls, shoot on sight, increase the pace of our play to pressurise the opponents. And we need to be more agricultural, nowt wrong with playing percentages, this is the second division, you get out however you can.
If RDM does this he has a chance of keeping the job.
Oh and bench the goalie, punching doesn't work.
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For psychology to be effective requires a level of intelligence lacking in large numbers of professional footballers. You can talk to them until you are blue in the face but unless they actually grasp what they are being told it is a waste of time. I went into the army a callow youth who could just about tie his shoelaces. I came out a confident man. It was not achieved by psychology, it was done by learning to do as I was told.
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Enjoyed my first away for a while and saw a lot of old faces, I can't believe some people are still going after all these years, and all the shit we've had. They deserve medals.
As for the game, we need to sharpen up somewhat in order to win games. No extra touch, no inviting pressure by playing out from the back, pick up second balls, shoot on sight, increase the pace of our play to pressurise the opponents. And we need to be more agricultural, nowt wrong with playing percentages, this is the second division, you get out however you can.
If RDM does this he has a chance of keeping the job.
Oh and bench the goalie, punching doesn't work.
Agree about the extra touch thing. Ayew and to a lesser extent Grealish are guilty of it. We do try and overdo it at times as well. It's as if we're trying too hard.
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Ayew, Grealish, Adomah, Tish were all ok but nothing more
Kodja's head dropped and was next to useless inconsistent just like the Bristol fans said he could be
defence just collapses when under a bit of pressure late on, pathetic
my man of the match last night was Bacuna, gave everything right up til the final whistle, not perfect but head and shoulders above any other defender on show
Just one more thing-
over a year since the last away win, one win in the last 7/8 months,
we are not riding the crests of any waves in fact we are shitter than at any time I can remember in the last 40 years
Barnsley on a Tuesday night 4000-5000 thousand turn up
Best in the land
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Ayew scores and again we don't win!! Thats 13+ months I've been waiting for him to have a positive impact on games with goals. The guy's a jinx (unless we're losing a game and he comes on as a sub, scores and manages to earn us a draw I personally can't see his worth). I was expecting an equaliser from Barnsley after Ayew scored because that is what I've come to expect. For me it's McCormack every time over Ayew. I feel sure he could have a great partnership with Kodjia. He's quick thinking, can see a pass and score. McCormack, Kodjia and Adomah would be my forward 3. I agree with 3 in midfield behind them (Tish plus any 2 from jedi, gards and westwood-theyre all much of a muchness until we can reinforce again in Jan).
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Ayew scores and again we don't win!! Thats 13+ months I've been waiting for him to have a positive impact on games with goals. The guy's a jinx (unless we're losing a game and he comes on as a sub, scores and manages to earn us a draw I personally can't see his worth). I was expecting an equaliser from Barnsley after Ayew scored because that is what I've come to expect. For me it's McCormack every time over Ayew. I feel sure he could have a great partnership with Kodjia. He's quick thinking, can see a pass and score. McCormack, Kodjia and Adomah would be my forward 3. I agree with 3 in midfield behind them (Tish plus any 2 from jedi, gards and westwood-theyre all much of a muchness until we can reinforce again in Jan).
Yep, that Ayew is the problem ... he's been rubbish the last half a dozen games ... yep!!
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Ayew scores and again we don't win!! Thats 13+ months I've been waiting for him to have a positive impact on games with goals. The guy's a jinx (unless we're losing a game and he comes on as a sub, scores and manages to earn us a draw I personally can't see his worth). I was expecting an equaliser from Barnsley after Ayew scored because that is what I've come to expect. For me it's McCormack every time over Ayew. I feel sure he could have a great partnership with Kodjia. He's quick thinking, can see a pass and score. McCormack, Kodjia and Adomah would be my forward 3. I agree with 3 in midfield behind them (Tish plus any 2 from jedi, gards and westwood-theyre all much of a muchness until we can reinforce again in Jan).
How many of Benteke's goals were consolation goals yet I never thought of him as a jinx.
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I'm not sure how it can be a mental issue when you changed the squad and management , I could buy that if it was last years confidence shoot team but there is a lot of new guys now and guys who have had recent success.
This is simply an out of depth manager who has built a top heavy attacking side but left a gaping hole in midfield , an all talk but no action captain at CB and a rookie keeper who is unsurprisingly making errors .
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The problem is so deep routed that we're beyond a mere sports psychologist, I fear.
Hypnosis or -failing that- maximum strength ECT is the best bet for our miserable band of bottlers.
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Can't remember if I've already posted on here but here goes anyway.
I really enjoyed being there last night; at least until the game started!
For me, the lack of movement and the need to move the ball quickly were very evident. The Jedi looked a little lost. Tshibola, Adomah and Ayew are match winners if we can get them on the ball more often and get movement.
Most improved player? - Bacuna!
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Dissapointing result. Playoffs might be our best chance this season. I was angry last night but I had calmed down by this morning. Nobody said following Villa was easy did they eh?!
Barnsley was moody. It's an old coal town and you could tell they were up for it. I liked the ground in the middle of the estate a kind of traditional English vibe and with the town centre a stone's throw away.
Re the performance - Hopefully Rudy can have some more game time he walked this league last time he played in it and we don't seem to cross the ball enough. Villa played okay at times but in the first half we were quite poor. I don't think we can rely on defence to hold out all game in the Championship it's about banging in the goals. The simple fact is we haven't been scoring enough to win games and one up front last night didn't seem to work.
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I think Trevor Fisher has a point.
We get one every week.. sometimes two!
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Ayew scores and again we don't win!! Thats 13+ months I've been waiting for him to have a positive impact on games with goals. The guy's a jinx (unless we're losing a game and he comes on as a sub, scores and manages to earn us a draw I personally can't see his worth). I was expecting an equaliser from Barnsley after Ayew scored because that is what I've come to expect.
That bloody Ayew - scoring goals, how dare he.
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I would genuinely take Steve Bruce right now.
Me too.
Or Rowett.
Rowett for me. If it's no I'd also take Bruce or even a sneaky bid for Mark Hughes.
Hughes? Are you mad?
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I now refuse to listen to or keep up with away matches but my lad came whooping down the stairs when we scored - I fixed him with a steely glare that sent him scurrying away until he re-appeared at full-time with the expected news of the equaliser and a "sorry Dad" - we had a man-hug and spoke no more about it...
I just don't tell my lad anymore. He probably thinks we're top.
Same here. Every week he watches MOTD and asks why they don't show us. Running out of excuses
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Went to first away game for some time - difficult to get tickets normally - still can't work out how we can't win with the players we have. Team selected last night was too weak in certain areas. Why Grealish deserved to start a match I've no idea. Unable to tackle, didn't beat his man, contributed very little. So much for hoping he has learnt his lesson after being suspended for one game.
Agree with several others that Bacuna was probably MoM. Kodjia much better when playing wide, but Adomah did quite well. Ayew did not get much support so had to do what he could on his own, at least he scored, nobody else in the team seemed to know where the goal was.
How a manager can change a successful formation that we ended the Newcastle match with. To a formation which lacked strength and cohesion, beggars belief.
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As per Daves press post on Sunday night, 5000 there last night awkward on a Tuesday night £30 a pop and major delay getting out of the car park followed by exit closures onto the M42. Surely the fans deserve more than theyre getting!
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It was 3,737. Still impressive mind.
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Blimey, it looked more than that, the stand is huge. Still as you say impressive.
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Figure announced by Barnsley on the night. £32.50 on a Tuesday night is very impressive.
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Went to first away game for some time - difficult to get tickets normally - still can't work out how we can't win with the players we have. Team selected last night was too weak in certain areas. Why Grealish deserved to start a match I've no idea. Unable to tackle, didn't beat his man, contributed very little. So much for hoping he has learnt his lesson after being suspended for one game.
Agree with several others that Bacuna was probably MoM. Kodjia much better when playing wide, but Adomah did quite well. Ayew did not get much support so had to do what he could on his own, at least he scored, nobody else in the team seemed to know where the goal was.
How a manager can change a successful formation that we ended the Newcastle match with. To a formation which lacked strength and cohesion, beggars belief.
yep. grealish is a fluffy nothing player, Definition of a fanny merchant - flatters to decieve. looks good when things are going well disappears the rest of the time. Could probably make a living as an impact sub for a mid-table premiership side, but pointless in the Championship when you need a player who doesn't hide after the first tackle goes in
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Went to first away game for some time - difficult to get tickets normally - still can't work out how we can't win with the players we have. Team selected last night was too weak in certain areas. Why Grealish deserved to start a match I've no idea. Unable to tackle, didn't beat his man, contributed very little. So much for hoping he has learnt his lesson after being suspended for one game.
Agree with several others that Bacuna was probably MoM. Kodjia much better when playing wide, but Adomah did quite well. Ayew did not get much support so had to do what he could on his own, at least he scored, nobody else in the team seemed to know where the goal was.
How a manager can change a successful formation that we ended the Newcastle match with. To a formation which lacked strength and cohesion, beggars belief.
yep. grealish is a fluffy nothing player, Definition of a fanny merchant - flatters to decieve. looks good when things are going well disappears the rest of the time. Could probably make a living as an impact sub for a mid-table premiership side, but pointless in the Championship when you need a player who doesn't hide after the first tackle goes in
I know and understand what you say but he did the biz at WEmbley , give him just a little more time.
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Barnsley, sorry but fuck me Barnsley and we scraped a draw.....the depth of crapness is really starting to set in, we need a win and fast