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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on August 16, 2016, 09:37:38 PM
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Again.
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It would have been nice to win. Also, do we have to have all the giggling schoolgirls fighting over who starts the threads? It's as bad as wanking off over biscuits. How old are you all? Tsk!
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Sounds like we should've been home and dry at half time, but we didn't.
We knew we're not good enough yet, so no need to panic.
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I suppose Huddersfield were flying after the win on the weekend but after our first half dominance we should of been 3 up.
They're still saying bizarre on the radio ...
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Game of two halves again by the sound of it.....
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Their shit goal
https://vine.co/v/5hE2XtvxXnO
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what to say
should have been 3-0 at HT
they were the better team second half and probably deserved the ~ bizzare ' goal
the bench was not good enough
need the aussie in
great crowd
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Still not good enough up front to bury teams, not good enough in the middle and not enough bench options to defend leads. We need players.
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Still saying bizarre ... amazing.
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We should have had a pan full by half time. Their goal was extremely jammy. We might not be fit enough just yet to play the full ninety because after seventy minutes it was all one way.
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One win against a shit Rotherham team a draw and a defeat. Pretty shit really don't know why everyone was getting carried away after 1 win we've still got loads to do
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2 unbeaten should be 3 and should be 7 points but along way to go
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Tearing my fucking hair out. Again! Have a day off, fuck sake.
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I suppose Huddersfield were flying after the win on the weekend but after our first half dominance we should of been 3 up.
They're still saying bizarre on the radio ...
I've long since turned it off. It's bizarre how much they were saying it.
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I won't cry about it. Just need to finish our chances when massively on top
Really could have done with another couple of points though.
Concerned about Gollini. This was a bit of a freak goal, but it must added this confidence
Derby is a tough game but I really think we nee to try and win. Hoping we get a pacey forward in. We had no striker on the bench again today
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Their shit goal
https://vine.co/v/5hE2XtvxXnO
Tommy and Gollini up to no good again! Tommy should have cleared it...Gollini should have cleared it....Just bad luck I suppose.
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It was unfortunate for Gollini. We'll improve. Frustrating as it is this week should highlight there are far worse things that can happen.
Up the Villa!
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Gollini is a cause for concern. Jury is still out however as it's still early days.
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Their shit goal
https://vine.co/v/5hE2XtvxXnO
looking at that , our defender should have just gone for the ball and wellied it , there is always a chance it can hit a player and go anywhere
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Their goal was a fluke. We still have players who seem to disappear when we are under the cosh. Our replacements are cack. Need more movement up top and Jedinak in for Westwood. Still much to be done.
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Their shit goal
https://vine.co/v/5hE2XtvxXnO
Bizarre or not that's a criminal goal to concede. Elphick should have held off the attacker a lot better and Gollini should have put the ball down our left wing not over the attackers head.
Still a real issue digging out results. That result will give other teams confidence that if they stay with Villa that we will bottle it the longer the game goes on.
Would have learned a lot more tonight than v Rotherham.
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Their shit goal
https://vine.co/v/5hE2XtvxXnO
Defender totally at fault
looking at that , our defender should have just gone for the ball and wellied it , there is always a chance it can hit a player and go anywhere
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Elphick had time to clear that or even just knock it wide...so f*cking annoying..
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I thought Gollini should have jus strayed at home. Then elphick just passes back to him. I don't think elphick can do much else there really - Gollini has called it
definitely not getting excited too much about beating Rotherham - but won't be too distraught today. Once we stiffen midfield and mccormack gets going plus new mobile striker comes in, we'll be much better
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Gollini is a cause for concern. Jury is still out however as it's still early days.
2 kicking errors have cost us 3 points in 3 games. Doesn't seem to like it when he is pressed by a forward.
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Usual gift of a goal from Christmas Villa...nothing changes.
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Once again some postives mostly in the first half. It was good for Ross to get off the mark and that he is getting involved with setting up chances too. My two big concerns are the amount of procession we let them have in the second half and again conceding the late goal. Guess we will judge the new look defence in a few games time.
Not a lot on bench I agree. But we are moving in the right direction and 4 points from 3 games a solid start which will look even better if they can get something at the weekend.
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Their shit goal
https://vine.co/v/5hE2XtvxXnO
looking at that , our defender should have just gone for the ball and wellied it , there is always a chance it can hit a player and go anywhere
Yep.... They don't chase it down for nowt
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These things happen when there's new players bedding in. It's still one more point than Newcastle got from the same fixture 3 days ago.
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We just have no answer when a team gets on top of us. We literally are unable to get back into the game. Is it psychological, lack of experience? Lack of balls?
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We are due 2 huge slices of luck to come our way.
Fluke of a goal.
Need to capitalise when we are on top and finish teams off.
Onward and upward.
UTV
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We just have no answer when a team gets on top of us. We literally are unable to get back into the game. Is it psychological, lack of experience? Lack of balls?
All of the above. Plus back in the day we'd have been able to get out by playing down the channels for gabby. Gestede and McCormack definitely aren't offering that
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Despite the promising signings still too many familiar failings. Not taking our opportunities, players going missing, then shooting ourselves in the foot to concede late goals and throw points away. Sadly our new keeper has now probably cost us three points with his two cock ups in 3 games. We may as well have kept Guzan at this rate. We can't afford to keep gifting teams goals like that. So far we've only managed to beat a poor Rotherham side who will be battling relegation again this year. Still much to do, Jedinak is a start but at least one more midfielder, preferably a creative one, required.
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Feeling hacked off, but expecting instant results i suppose. Regardless of the bizarre goal, we were under the cosh and thats what we need to fix, not Gollini. Difficult to say why we ended up under the cosh without pictures, but I'm beginning to believe in RDM to fix it. My guess is our powder-puff midfield so hopefully Jedinak is the next plug in the dam
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Remember this isn't going to happen overnight. I still believe that it will take two months for it properly come together, for the new signings to build the right chemistry. We should have been out of sight by HT but there was always the risk of old Villa showing up at some point if we didn't take advantage of our chances. We took a tiny step forward. Disappointing not to have won but there are some positives and new players on the horizon.
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Aston Villa 1 - 0 Huddersfield: Ross McCormack scores early winner on emotional night Daily and Sunday Express 21:48
i wish
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I'd rather get a mobile forward. We've been creating a lot of chances I'd say
I agree Rotherham are shit and not a good yardstick for how good we are
Derby will be
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That's harsh on Gollini...99/100 that ball either misses the player or hits him and goes no-where...it should never have been his ball to play that far out. Elphick should have dealt with that.
We just keep gifting goals...sheff weds and now this.. that's got to stop.
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Blimey that is some shit defending for their goal. I am miffed.
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Hmmmmmmmm.
What to make of that?
Not clinical enough in the first half when on top.
Unlucky with the goal itself but they were all over us for a good half hour.
I'm worried RDM doesn't see what he should. He left a situation to fester until we began to get jumpy. There was a point where we needed to bolster the middle of the park with half an hour to go, just to calm things down, and he didn't do it. We had far too many front foot players on the pitch where they were contributing nothing.
Also have doubts about the keeper, never been a fan of playing promise over experience in that position.
In summary, very disappointed and a little concerned .
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Fair result in the end .
Poor bench didn't help us - but would have made changes much earlier as we were running out of legs and they seemed to be getting stronger .
Another game that helps to show exactly what we need to recruit.
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That's harsh on Gollini...99/100 that ball either misses the player or hits him and goes no-where...it should never have been his ball to play that far out. Elphick should have dealt with that.
We just keep gifting goals...sheff weds and now this.. that's got to stop.
Tommy was to blame for me
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I thought at first that Elphick was living dangerously leaving it for Gollini, but the second bounce stopped the ball as if it had loads of backspin, letting Whatisname Of The Udders get closer than he would have done if it had bounced normally, in which case, Gollini's hoof would have been over the other touchline by the time he got that close. Just bad luck.
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That's harsh on Gollini...99/100 that ball either misses the player or hits him and goes no-where...it should never have been his ball to play that far out. Elphick should have dealt with that.
We just keep gifting goals...sheff weds and now this.. that's got to stop.
Tommy was to blame for me
Yep..totally. But he'll know that..we'll get there.
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Hmmmmmmmm.
What to make of that?
Not clinical enough in the first half when on top.
Unlucky with the goal itself but they were all over us for a good half hour.
I'm worried RDM doesn't see what he should. He left a situation to fester until we began to get jumpy. There was a point where we needed to bolster the middle of the park with half an hour to go, just to calm things down, and he didn't do it. We had far too many front foot players on the pitch where they were contributing nothing.
Also have doubts about the keeper, never been a fan of playing promise over experience in that position.
In summary, very disappointed and a little concerned .
I agree we should stiffen the midfield in that situation. But Gardner has been so bad I can see why he didn't. We've now got better options
But I agree we've still got a mental and tactical problem when under the cosh.
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I thought Gollini should have jus strayed at home. Then elphick just passes back to him. I don't think elphick can do much else there really - Gollini has called it
I was in the North Stand and it looked to me that Elphick told Gollini to come for that.
Need players still, obvs, we were crying out for a player like Jedinak second half. Should have had it won by the time they came into it, but it was nice to see Villa playing well for an hour after last season.
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That's a fucking irritating result. But as long as we're dominating teams we'll
be ok.
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Fair dos - only going off the highlights
We'd have been top six if we'd held on.
Irritating. Very irritating
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Could've won the game three times over but looked more likely to lose at the end. Further proof we need more leaders on the pitch to see out games like that. Also need more strength in depth, if you are playing three games in a week you need more intimidating options off the bench.
Luckily for us, Bobby and Dr X know this.
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We need to learn from these games and with a few better, stronger players in we can only improve.
But to drop 3 points in the last 5 minutes of 2 games is a bastard! We ain't going to the top of the league if we keep doing that!
Like all good teams we need to take advantage of when we have dominance - we should have had 6 on Saturday and been 3 up by half time tonight!
Still a long way to go and this is a tough league!
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Very good first half, should have been out of sight at HT. From the second they brought on Wells we fell apart. And whoever our defender was for their goal should have dealt it long before Gollini got near it.
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That's harsh on Gollini...99/100 that ball either misses the player or hits him and goes no-where...it should never have been his ball to play that far out. Elphick should have dealt with that.
We just keep gifting goals...sheff weds and now this.. that's got to stop.
Tommy was to blame for me
He could have cleared it an probably should have, but I would have thought Gollini gave him a "my ball" shout. And Gollini had plenty of time and space to clear it effectively. Tommy wasn't to know he'd fuck it up so royally, but I bet he won't be leaving stuff to Gollini in future.
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As long as we learn from it, we'll be fine. A long way yet for our team to continue developing
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That's harsh on Gollini...99/100 that ball either misses the player or hits him and goes no-where...it should never have been his ball to play that far out. Elphick should have dealt with that.
We just keep gifting goals...sheff weds and now this.. that's got to stop.
Tommy was to blame for me
He could have cleared it an probably should have, but I would have thought Gollini gave him a "my ball" shout. And Gollini had plenty of time and space to clear it effectively. Tommy wasn't to know he'd fuck it up so royally, but I bet he won't be leaving stuff to Gollini in future.
Looked to me like Tommy dictated to Gollini to come get it, rather than other way round. Anyways, bit of bad luck as with sheff weds...hopefully things will turn.
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I thought Gollini should have jus strayed at home. Then elphick just passes back to him. I don't think elphick can do much else there really - Gollini has called it
I was in the North Stand and it looked to me that Elphick told Gollini to come for that.
Need players still, obvs, we were crying out for a player like Jedinak second half. Should have had it won by the time they came into it, but it was nice to see Villa playing well for an hour after last season.
I think Elphick thought it was running through to Gollini in the area and was telling him it was his. But I agree with German J, the second bounce just seems so off for the pace of the pass and the initial first bounce, (slight divot maybe) and that meant Gollini needed to rush in and couldn't get the height, etc.
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That's harsh on Gollini...99/100 that ball either misses the player or hits him and goes no-where...it should never have been his ball to play that far out. Elphick should have dealt with that.
We just keep gifting goals...sheff weds and now this.. that's got to stop.
Tommy was to blame for me
He could have cleared it an probably should have, but I would have thought Gollini gave him a "my ball" shout. And Gollini had plenty of time and space to clear it effectively. Tommy wasn't to know he'd fuck it up so royally, but I bet he won't be leaving stuff to Gollini in future.
He definitely gestured to Gollini to come and deal with it.
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Not fucking good enough.
You cannot dominate teams as rank as that for an hour and not win. People talk about hard games but we couldn't have been playing a poorer side for that first hour.
You cannot be so profligate in front of goal, you've got to bury sides at home.
They brought Wells on and pushed right onto our full backs. We stayed too narrow and failed to smother possession as they chopped it wide time and again. Even then, the free kick aside Gollini as made one save.
Far too much lumping of the ball into Gestede. You can see why he wants Jedinak.
The goal was a joke.
You've got to be burying sides like Huddersfield if you want to go up automatically. 4 points from these three games is nowhere near good enough.
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Could've won the game three times over but looked more likely to lose at the end. Further proof we need more leaders on the pitch to see out games like that. Also need more strength in depth, if you are playing three games in a week you need more intimidating options off the bench.
Luckily for us, Bobby and Dr X know this.
Putting a positive spin on it, with the Goons Show/Chuckle Brothers cabaret show at the back last season, we'd have folded long before and lost by 2 or 3-1.
Still annoying when you look at the goal though. 100 ways to deal with it and we chose the only one that gives them the goal.
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What concerns me is our lack of response when we go behind in games. Huddersfield piled the pressure on in the second half. When we go behind nothing changes.
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Feels like a defeat but I think we'll be alright. Rome wasn't built in a day. 3 points vs Derby and we're laughing. Most of the other results tonight were draws and we're still four ahead of Newcastle.
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It was still fucking unlucky though!
Interested how we play at derby. I assume Jedinak plays. But can we afford four attackers away from home against one of our rivals? I'm not sure we can. Not sure who gets dropped though
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We will win at Derby, due an away win. Jedinak in for Westwood. We really need another mobile forward and better options than Gardner and Green off the bench. Two games unbeaten, build on that.
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Sheff Weds getting turned over by Burton shows what a topsy turvy league this is.
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Mentality is fucked, should have been 3-0 up playing confidently, they have one attack and we collectively shit ourselves and spend the next half an hour being second to every ball and standing off them.
The referee was absolutely bollocks, making the most of his big day out at a nice stadium and making himself centre of attention.
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The league isn't topsy-turvy it's just shite.
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The league isn't topsy-turvy it's just shite.
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I'm fucking steaming. Absolutely furious.
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Talking as someone who hardly watches football anymore, I thought we were desperately unlucky. The first half was as good as I've seen for ages and the atmosphere was superb. It was like someone turned off the magic tap in the second half and it was not if, it was when. Comical and so totally Villa. I still think we'll win the league though so fuck the fuckers.
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What a terrible, terrible goal. Fucking shit. Cheers Elphick and Gollini, again.
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We won't win the league unless we start putting sides away. Chances wasted against Wednesday and Huddersfield and the result is we end up dropping at least one in the first and two tonight against the most ordinary of opposition.
Norwich showing how it's done.
That bench was woeful. We need another one in midfield along with Jedinak and some pace up front.
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It was still fucking unlucky though!
Interested how we play at derby. I assume Jedinak plays. But can we afford four attackers away from home against one of our rivals? I'm not sure we can. Not sure who gets dropped though
Jedinak for Gestede, have Ayew leading the line away from home. Gestede to come in. Need to try playing three in midfield I think particularly away from home against the half decent teams. Amavi maybe too instead of Cissokho.
I'd consider bring Gabby back into the squad too, last chance saloon. If he turns in an effort like Richards at Luton, he can do one.
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We need to bring in somebody else up top with pace. Wells for example, Gabby has had his day.
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Blimey that is some shit defending for their goal. I am miffed.
If Lescott and Guzan had been responsible for that clown defending they'd have been hung.
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It was still fucking unlucky though!
Interested how we play at derby. I assume Jedinak plays. But can we afford four attackers away from home against one of our rivals? I'm not sure we can. Not sure who gets dropped though
Jedinak for Gestede, have Ayew leading the line away from home. Gestede to come in. Need to try playing three in midfield I think particularly away from home against the half decent teams. Amavi maybe too instead of Cissokho.
I'd consider bring Gabby back into the squad too, last chance saloon. If he turns in an effort like Richards at Luton, he can do one.
I rate Amavi, but watching that game tonight I started to think he might not be cut out to play full-back in this league. Saying that I might have brought him on to play left-midfield. And/or maybe brought Hutton on and pushed Bacuna into midfield. Shows how short of options we are I suppose.
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What a terrible, terrible goal. Fucking shit. Cheers Elphick and Gollini, again.
Yeah I thought the defender could have dealt with it as well.
Can't believe we didn't win. We should have been out of sight at half time, and that missed chance right on the stroke of half time was the key moment. Score that and we would have won comfortably but they got the bit between their teeth second half.
Plus point - I really like Tshibola.
Westwood needs to be replaced asap.
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Unless he called for it I don't blame Gollini, that ball should have been in row z long before it was even in the same postcode as Gollini.
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Very,very disappointed.
Like a big massive off switch was pressed after 50 mins and we stopped playing and forgot what to do.
But, the biggest thing that was showed up for me was the fact the the bench is so so poor.
McCormack goes off, with no quality striker to come on and change things.
Tish goes off and there is no quality midfielder to come on.
We need to continue to improve the squad, and quickly.
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Blimey that is some shit defending for their goal. I am miffed.
If Lescott and Guzan had been responsible for that clown defending they'd have been hung.
Depends if they learn from it. Guzan was doing something like that every other week!
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I blame Gollini. He could always just kick it out for a throw. Still, how many times do you see a goalkeeper kick the ball at the opposition and what percentage go straight into the net from thirty yards? Five? Maybe ten? We could've done with a bit of luck, especially after our last missed clearance fell perfectly for Wednesday and the way the ball bounced off Grealish at EDLuton.
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One win against a shit Rotherham team a draw and a defeat. Pretty shit really don't know why everyone was getting carried away after 1 win we've still got loads to do
Behave. Huddersfield were lucky to still be in the game at half time.
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Was Tshibola injured, because I don't see why he was taken off otherwise. He was easily our best midfielder.
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Was Tshibola injured, because I don't see why he was taken off otherwise. He was easily our best midfielder.
RedSox said it looked like he tweaked something, hamstring I think he said.
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Started brightly and should have been out of sight at half-time, but tired in the second half. Even though Huddersfield pressed, I thought we had whether end the storm and we're going to see it out. Might be a bit harsh, but with two kicks Gollini has cost us three points.
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I won't cry about it. Just need to finish our chances when massively on top
Really could have done with another couple of points though.
Concerned about Gollini. This was a bit of a freak goal, but it must added this confidence
Derby is a tough game but I really think we nee to try and win. Hoping we get a pacey forward in. We had no striker on the bench again today
Gollini made 3 good saves to keep us in it. Good keeper in my biew
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No question that them bringing Wells on turned the game.
What worries me is Di Matteo didn't seem to have an answer to it. Tactically, motivationally or with substitutions.
I hope it's because he doesn't know his squad well enough yet, because with time that will be corrected. I just pray it's not a lack of acumen.
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Was Tshibola injured, because I don't see why he was taken off otherwise. He was easily our best midfielder.
I guess because he was fucked. He was blowing out of his arse.
But, as I said, no options to add some steel if we lose one of the starters.
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As terrible as the goal sounds, we should have been out of sight way before it went in. Need a couple of tough away wins now. Let's not throw Gollini and Tommy under the bus.
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I blame Gollini. He could always just kick it out for a throw. Still, how many times do you see a goalkeeper kick the ball at the opposition and what percentage go straight into the net from thirty yards? Five? Maybe ten? We could've done with a bit of luck, especially after our last missed clearance fell perfectly for Wednesday and the way the ball bounced off Grealish at EDLuton.
Looked to me by the time Gollini gets to it their player is so close he only had time to hoof it forwards.
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One thing to note is that we've now played teams likely to finish in the top, middle and bottom of the league. Only goals conceded have been clearly down to our own errors. Says to me that once these new players get a better understanding we'll have a really tight defence.
And we can create chances. An upgraded number 9 needed to give it that extra edge.
All in all I'm encouraged as it's early days in the rebuilding job, but the signs are there.
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Looking at it again at home Elphick seemed to be at fault. He was looking at the ball as their player cut through to force the quick attempted clearance from Gollini.
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Hmmmmmmmm.
What to make of that?
Not clinical enough in the first half when on top.
Unlucky with the goal itself but they were all over us for a good half hour.
I'm worried RDM doesn't see what he should. He left a situation to fester until we began to get jumpy. There was a point where we needed to bolster the middle of the park with half an hour to go, just to calm things down, and he didn't do it. We had far too many front foot players on the pitch where they were contributing nothing.
Also have doubts about the keeper, never been a fan of playing promise over experience in that position.
In summary, very disappointed and a little concerned .
Bolster the midfield? Like with whom. Gary Gardner? Cant beleive RDM is getting stick at this stage. We are like an oil tanker, it will take time to turn us around
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That game should have been done and dusted by half time, it was really frustrating because a second goal would have killed the game off. I can see us giving someone a hiding at some point though. One to learn from.
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I blame Gollini. He could always just kick it out for a throw. Still, how many times do you see a goalkeeper kick the ball at the opposition and what percentage go straight into the net from thirty yards? Five? Maybe ten? We could've done with a bit of luck, especially after our last missed clearance fell perfectly for Wednesday and the way the ball bounced off Grealish at EDLuton.
Looked to me by the time Gollini gets to it their player is so close he only had time to hoof it forwards.
I can't understand why Gollini didn't just dummy the kick, segue into a Cruyff turn then lay it off for someone to do a mazy run and chip into the Huddersfield goal. It was that simple.
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No question that them bringing Wells on turned the game.
What worries me is Di Matteo didn't seem to have an answer to it. Tactically, motivationally or with substitutions.
I hope it's because he doesn't know his squad well enough yet, because with time that will be corrected. I just pray it's not a lack of acumen.
[/quoteNo question that them bringing Wells on turned the game.
What worries me is Di Matteo didn't seem to have an answer to it. Tactically, motivationally or with substitutions.
I hope it's because he doesn't know his squad well enough yet, because with time that will be corrected. I just pray it's not a lack of acumen.
I think rdm may have more 'acumen' than we do!
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One win against a shit Rotherham team a draw and a defeat. Pretty shit really don't know why everyone was getting carried away after 1 win we've still got loads to do
Behave. Huddersfield were lucky to still be in the game at half time.
And unlucky not to win based kn their second half performance. They look half decent
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No question that them bringing Wells on turned the game.
What worries me is Di Matteo didn't seem to have an answer to it. Tactically, motivationally or with substitutions.
I hope it's because he doesn't know his squad well enough yet, because with time that will be corrected. I just pray it's not a lack of acumen.
Tactician, he's not but he should have enough about him and Clarke to respond to their half time changes. Saying that, WTF was Richards doing on our bench? Tonight was always going to be about midfield.
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Game of two halves and to be expected with new players and management. It will take time for them to gel and get an understanding. This team is however looking like a team (far more than in recent seasons) and are willing to play for each other and put their bodies on the line. Huddersfield are one of the dark horses for this season and you can see why. The Dortmund approach they employ is well drilled. We will keep improving but still need some more bodies in, the bench had no game changers.
Great attendance and the tribute to Dalian was class, fair play to the Dr holding up an umbrella.
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Grealish is wasted on the left. He has the skill but not the pace to beat a man. He needs to play more central behind a front two and get more involved. He got no protection tonight.
You cant have a midfield three like tonight plus Ayew. Not solid enough when we are under pressure and you are relying on Westwood, Grealish and Ayew to defend with discipline. I like Tish though. Some good touches just needs to get his fitness up.
Oh and for the two moaners sitting behind me in the Holte, just f off will you. Its embarrassing when we are one nil up in the first balf and you are still bloody moaning and complaining. That aside great atmosphere.
Overall a wake up call tonight after Saturday. Plenty of work to do and more signings required
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Hmmmmmmmm.
What to make of that?
Not clinical enough in the first half when on top.
Unlucky with the goal itself but they were all over us for a good half hour.
I'm worried RDM doesn't see what he should. He left a situation to fester until we began to get jumpy. There was a point where we needed to bolster the middle of the park with half an hour to go, just to calm things down, and he didn't do it. We had far too many front foot players on the pitch where they were contributing nothing.
Also have doubts about the keeper, never been a fan of playing promise over experience in that position.
In summary, very disappointed and a little concerned .
Bolster the midfield? Like with whom. Gary Gardner? Cant beleive RDM is getting stick at this stage. We are like an oil tanker, it will take time to turn us around
Time we don't have. We need to go up this season but looking at our bench, it was pretty clear it was do or die with those that started. I'd like to have seen Jordan Lyden on there. At least the lad knows how to battle like his life depends on it.
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Blimey that is some shit defending for their goal. I am miffed.
With Gollini trying to welly it like that, it couldn't have ended up anywhere else. A tap to the side would suffice. That's 3 points that he has cost so far.
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That's a bit harsh on Gollini. Two superb saves. I thought what cost us that game is that the midfield and front players who had pressed Huddersfield for the first 60 or so minutes ran out of steam.
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Nothing too much to add.
First half we were all over them and should've had a hatful. 2nd half we seemed to stop pressing them high up the pitch, which was probably a good idea given they're a counterattacking team, but it also had the effect of letting them pin us back and then the ol' nerves kicked in.
We started to get overloaded down our right in the last 30 mins - I like Ayew but his defensive positioning is all over the place and he could've given Bacuna more support. I think a right sided midfielder or winger who knows how to help out defensively should probably be on the shopping list. Disappointing RDM didn't do anything about it but bench options were limited.
The goal we conceded was much like the one at Wednesday: a series of errors by different players. Both times Gollini made the final, fatal mistake, but he shouldn't have been given the ball either time.
You don't get over half a decade of crap in a few months, but I've seen enough in the first three league games to think that with two or three new signings promotion is well within reach.
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Well the first ever non top flight game I've watched involving us and quite an interesting night....
First of all the crowd. I was in the lower Witton tonight and couldn't believe how packed the Holte was and how positive the crowd were throughout. We need to win games but goodness me if we keep that up Villa Park will be a much more positive place this season, there was a buzz around tonight I haven't felt for quite some time.
35k must've been our highest midweek gate for a long time. I reckon they'll open the upper Trinity at xmas.
The standard in the championship. When you've spent all your time watching premier league (and a bit of league one) you immediately see how much slower the player is when players have the ball. I couldn't believe how much space Huddersfield gave us and they hardly had anything upfront for the first hour....
We played very well for an hour. Lots of movement, quick interchanges and we should've scored a hatful.
Fragility at defending a 1 nil lead. Huddersfield bringing on Scannell and Wells changed the game completely. Cissokho went to pot second half when Scannell was running at him which meant Huddersfield built up constant pressure and Wells has that quality in the final third which really unsettled us. In fairness given they've won their first two and beaten Newcastle they're not a bad team and they didn't start with their strongest 11.
Lack of options on the bench. We had 4 defenders on there. Where was Adama? He'd have been perfect to bring on when we were under the cosh in the last 20 minutes to launch some counter attacks. We're still short of two players I reckon, Jedinak and another forward player.
Overall though I'm much more positive than I was two weeks back. It's clear there isn't much quality in this division so given the money we've spent and will continue to spend we'll be up there but need to win a few more games to get that confidence up and strengthen a little more. We're getting there is how I'd sum it up. 4 points from Derby and Bristol and I think that's a pretty decent start.
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Blimey that is some shit defending for their goal. I am miffed.
With Gollini trying to welly it like that, it couldn't have ended up anywhere else. A tap to the side would suffice. That's 3 points that he has cost so far.
Chap is either unlucky or not good...in either case there is a bit of worry.
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Well that was a real sickener, but probably a fair result on the balance of play, and it just wouldn't be Villa if we didn't have a monumental defensive cockup at some point or another. If we'd put our chances away we would have killed the game off in the first half, when Huddersfield were very poor. A bit like the 'Boro friendly game, the opposition decided to come out and play in the second half and we were on the back foot for most of the half, and only the woodwork stopped them equalising earlier. We needed more in midfield in the second half - hopefully Jedinak will provide that if we get his visa sorted. Alternatively, if we could have brought Adama on for the last 20 minutes to bring the ball forward that would have relieved the pressure on a defence that was hoofing and hoping and getting put back under pressure. Presumably Adama is injured again now that's he's played 15 minutes of football.
But 35,000 on a Tuesday night for Huddersfield, great atmosphere, good game of football for the neutral, and a comedy ref thrown in for good measure
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A predictable result. We simply don't have the right attitude yet. The moment it looked like there was going to be a fight, we bottled it. Huddersfield bullied us for most of the second half and, freak goal aside, there was only one team going to score. They fully deserved their draw because they fought tooth and nail for it. We're just not up for that kind of battle yet.
I know Jack got the assist, but there's still far too much farting around from him in my opinion. On more than one occasion he tried to make nice, when he should be making sure. Similarly with Ayew, at times. We need to see less pussyfooting. Shoot. Have a go.
A word about Gollini. I know he fucked up, but he should bounce back ok. He went in bravely for a couple of balls in the second half. He's got guts.
Still a mountain to climb.
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Well we were absolutely marvelous in the first half and should have been out of sight. Tshibola tired in the second half allowing their number 10 (chap with shaven head) to dominate the game and in the end yes a BIZARRE goal but well deserved equaliser for Huddersfield. Never mind we go again on Saturday.
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Firstly, does anyone know if Adama chipped a finger nail so had to be rushed to A & E?
Most has already been said but, please, can someone enlighten me as to why we have all 11 players in our own penalty area when defending a corner or free kick? Seems obvious to me that if we keep 1 player up, they need to keep 2 back or, better still, we keep 2 up which ties up 3 of their players and gives us an outlet. The way we are doing it seems fairly obvious that when we clear the ball it's going to come straight back, or am I missing some genius tactic??
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A few points from tonight.
Great to see our support, two games in a few days and a superb turnout.
Great atmosphere created by both sets of supporters throughout the game.
Fantastic first half and how were we not 3 up after five minutes!
Huddersfield came at us and it seemed also like a cup game for them. We struggled to react to it but still created chances which we should of converted.
The ref had a shocker. The game was to big for him and enjoyed booking every villa tackle.
Gollini showed his quality, especially with the finger tip save low down his left in the second half... and then his Bozzie moment.
I'm liking the way the team are playing but we need a plan b. Adama would of been a great option to throw on and give them something to think about.
Another striker to mix it up a little but God knows who.
A great show of appreciation at the tenth minute by all supporters.
Onwards and upwards!
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I have to apologise. I was playing a pool match in a Huddersfield pub tonight, wore my 77-81 shirt. Five minutes from the end a Town fan offered me a bet (one pound) that they'd equalise. I was shaking his hand as they announced the goal on the telly. I'm such an unlucky gambler that I should have known better than to jinx us.
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More evidence that our midfield is way too lightweight. That second half was an open invitation to them to push on, and in fairness they deserved their draw, however it came.
We need more grit - Jedinak will give us that - and perhaps even another forward thinking midfielder. I'd seriously consider letting Ayew go for the right money...his effort can't be faulted but he's playing out of position and getting silly bookings because he's frustrated.
Still, coming out disappointed with a draw is a vast improvement on recent years.
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Blimey that is some shit defending for their goal. I am miffed.
With Gollini trying to welly it like that, it couldn't have ended up anywhere else. A tap to the side would suffice. That's 3 points that he has cost so far.
Chap is either unlucky or not good...in either case there is a bit of worry.
Frustration is he does the basics well. Makes the regulation saves, is pretty vocal and his handling on crosses is excellent.
He can't keep costing us points though with stupid kicks.
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Blimey that is some shit defending for their goal. I am miffed.
If Lescott and Guzan had been responsible for that clown defending they'd have been hung.
Depends if they learn from it. Guzan was doing something like that every other week!
Quite right. Okore, Lescott, Clarke, Richards, Hutton Guzan to name a many few have been doing so regularly they warrant stick. These two guys have played a couple of times together. Miscommunication and like above wait to see if they learn from it.
Another night we'd have slaughtered them. We're rebuilding slowly and still up there, no need to panic or worry.
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A few points from tonight.
Great to see our support, two games in a few days and a superb turnout.
Great atmosphere created by both sets of supporters throughout the game.
Fantastic first half and how were we not 3 up after five minutes!
Huddersfield came at us and it seemed also like a cup game for them. We struggled to react to it but still created chances which we should of converted.
The ref had a shocker. The game was to big for him and enjoyed booking every villa tackle.
Gollini showed his quality, especially with the finger tip save low down his left in the second half... and then his Bozzie moment.
I'm liking the way the team are playing but we need a plan b. Adama would of been a great option to throw on and give them something to think about.
Another striker to mix it up a little but God knows who.
A great show of appreciation at the tenth minute by all supporters.
Onwards and upwards!
Agree except why do you and others think Adama would have helped out. Ive seen nothing including Saturdays cameo to suggest he has what it takes particualry when we are defending
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Why was Adama not at least on the bench? FFS give the guy a chance! He'd have caused them problems in the last 20 minutes.
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A predictable result. We simply don't have the right attitude yet. The moment it looked like there was going to be a fight, we bottled it. Huddersfield bullied us for most of the second half and, freak goal aside, there was only one team going to score. They fully deserved their draw because they fought tooth and nail for it. We're just not up for that kind of battle yet.
I know Jack got the assist, but there's still far too much farting around from him in my opinion. On more than one occasion he tried to make nice, when he should be making sure. Similarly with Ayew, at times. We need to see less pussyfooting. Shoot. Have a go.
A word about Gollini. I know he fucked up, but he should bounce back ok. He went in bravely for a couple of balls in the second half. He's got guts.
Still a mountain to climb.
yeah agree with most of that, but the problem is midfield, Grealish did a lot of good, Ayew wasn't at it tonight, Gestede is mainly about his head, his not a full centre forward, sorry, but I think westwood is still out of his depth. WE NEED A PROPER MIDFIELDER.
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From a position of 6 months losing and quite literally the most hated villa side ever, not bad to get a win and a draw - the draw against a good side and unlucky in the way we drew. No time has passed - we will get better - others won't. We need to sort out our paper thin confidence but we're unbeaten in 2 - and have +4 -1 goal difference - last 15 games in the PL was 8 for and 40 against I think
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I have to apologise. I was playing a pool match in a Huddersfield pub tonight, wore my 77-81 shirt. Five minutes from the end a Town fan offered me a bet (one pound) that they'd equalise. I was shaking his hand as they announced the goal on the telly. I'm such an unlucky gambler that I should have known better than to jinx us.
Don't be so hard on yourself, Pete. Their equaliser was the surest thing in the world from where I was standing. Should have put my house on it.
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Once again some postives mostly in the first half. It was good for Ross to get off the mark and that he is getting involved with setting up chances too. My two big concerns are the amount of procession we let them have in the second half and again conceding the late goal. Guess we will judge the new look defence in a few games time.
Not a lot on bench I agree. But we are moving in the right direction and 4 points from 3 games a solid start which will look even better if they can get something at the weekend.
I'm not totally sold on the 4-2-3-1 RDM is playing. As people have said once Tshibola tired in the second half we were once again overrun in the second half in midfield which really shouldn't be happening at this level.
I'd personally take Gestede out, play Ross and Ayew upfront as a two, put Jack more centrally and have three centrally once jedinak comes in. Will need Amavi in the team aswell as Cissokho was garbage second half.
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Comfortably the better side in the first half.
Second half they grew into the game, brought Wells on and kept the ball better and we were poor unfortunately.
We can't just arrogantly think we can play two central players with four attacking players and piss the league. We should have changed the shape and gone narrow when they started to get a bit more control.
Ayew pissed me off tonight. Sulking his way through the game. Contributed nothing, missed a guilt edged chance and is certainly not a right winger.
We've got some good players but can't sleepwalk through halves and expect to win. They deserved a point.
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A predictable result. We simply don't have the right attitude yet. The moment it looked like there was going to be a fight, we bottled it. Huddersfield bullied us for most of the second half and, freak goal aside, there was only one team going to score. They fully deserved their draw because they fought tooth and nail for it. We're just not up for that kind of battle yet.
I know Jack got the assist, but there's still far too much farting around from him in my opinion. On more than one occasion he tried to make nice, when he should be making sure. Similarly with Ayew, at times. We need to see less pussyfooting. Shoot. Have a go.
A word about Gollini. I know he fucked up, but he should bounce back ok. He went in bravely for a couple of balls in the second half. He's got guts.
Still a mountain to climb.
yeah agree with most of that, but the problem is midfield, Grealish did a lot of good, Ayew wasn't at it tonight, Gestede is mainly about his head, his not a full centre forward, sorry, but I think westwood is still out of his depth. WE NEED A PROPER MIDFIELDER.
Couldn't agree more about the midfield, it badly lacks bite. Westwood is guaranteed to be as effective as paper swimming trunks when the going gets tough. No presence whatsoever. And didn't he miss an absolute sitter for us in the opening minutes? Can't wait to see the back of him. And we will just as soon as we can get a decent replacement.
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Feels like a defeat but I think we'll be alright. Rome wasn't built in a day. 3 points vs Derby and we're laughing. Most of the other results tonight were draws and we're still four ahead of Newcastle.
Yep as frustrating as tonight is all teams have dodgy results like Wednesday losing at Burton.
There really is nothing between about 12 teams as evidenced by all the draws. I'm not too worried yet but think the next two away games will be a good test.
Pleasing thing for me is we will be on the front foot in a lot of games as we were for first half so crowd will enjoy that given the dismal last 5 years of barely getting over the halfway line.
Tbh I've probably come away from VP tonight more impressed by what I saw in the stands than on the pitch. Villa park was a world away from the negativity of the last few years, it was very pleasing to hear.
The fans have got the memo, let's hope in time the players can deliver aswell.
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That's a bit harsh on Gollini. Two superb saves. I thought what cost us that game is that the midfield and front players who had pressed Huddersfield for the first 60 or so minutes ran out of steam.
Exactly how I saw it.
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Hopefully with Jedinak coming in we won't be seeing Westwood for the foreseeable future.
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Dear me ...what a bunch of moaners we sound tonite ....first 4 pages by people possibly not even at the game !
We are a work in progress at the moment and the signs are encouraging ...lets remember half the team were not at the club last year and it takes time to gel
None of us had seen a team as bad as last season and changes are happening ....we can't expect to be winning every game ....lets have a better judgement in 6 weeks time
Already it sounds like people are looking are new scapegoats ......... just get off everyones back
It is the Championship but last season we were possibly League One standard
Get behind the Club ...lets fill Villa Park every game and get the Upper Trinity opened soon at create the atmosphere we want and deserve
Reading this tonite we sound more like Eddie the Baggies fan ....get behind the team and it will come together
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It was still fucking unlucky though!
Interested how we play at derby. I assume Jedinak plays. But can we afford four attackers away from home against one of our rivals? I'm not sure we can. Not sure who gets dropped though
Gestede. Shackell and Keogh will want us to lump balls up to him all night and they will deal with him quite comfortably imo.
Less so with front two of Ayew and McCormack with Jack just behind then I reckon....
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I'd hate to be on those Huddersfield coaches when they realise this was a league game and there is no second leg. In thirty odd years I've never seen such over the top celebrations with a one-one draw.
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Slightly disappointed in the manner of the equalizer but lets be positive. We're off the back of and awful run and the team is gonna take time to gel. But we're 12 places ahead of schedule. Last time we went down we were 22nd after 3 games😃
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I'd hate to be on those Huddersfield coaches when they realise this was a league game and there is no second leg. In thirty odd years I've never seen such over the top celebrations with a one-one draw.
Did you not see McLeish a few years back?!
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Just in, annoyed about the result but Huddersfield probably deserved their equaliser.
Heartened by the first half performance.
I'm not sure what more RDM could have done subs wise, Amavi for Ayew possibly.
But as he's just getting back from a long term injury, I can see why he didn't.
Thought Cissokho had a good game.
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I'd hate to be on those Huddersfield coaches when they realise this was a league game and there is no second leg. In thirty odd years I've never seen such over the top celebrations with a one-one draw.
Did you not see McLeish a few years back?!
Ive had cognitive therapy to erase that season from memory
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I'd hate to be on those Huddersfield coaches when they realise this was a league game and there is no second leg. In thirty odd years I've never seen such over the top celebrations with a one-one draw.
We're going to see a lot of that, I think. Villa Park is a big day out for most teams in that division, and they will raise their game against us, as will the fans. Tonight was a good result for Huddersfield, and deservedly so.
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I have to apologise. I was playing a pool match in a Huddersfield pub tonight, wore my 77-81 shirt. Five minutes from the end a Town fan offered me a bet (one pound) that they'd equalise. I was shaking his hand as they announced the goal on the telly. I'm such an unlucky gambler that I should have known better than to jinx us.
Don't be so hard on yourself, Pete. Their equaliser was the surest thing in the world from where I was standing. Should have put my house on it.
Thanks Jimbo. In my defence, we only had the Sky News updates to go on. The whole pub found it hilarious though. They reckon it was the quickest loss of a bet they've ever seen.
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I'd hate to be on those Huddersfield coaches when they realise this was a league game and there is no second leg. In thirty odd years I've never seen such over the top celebrations with a one-one draw.
We're going to see a lot of that, I think. Villa Park is a big day out for most teams in that division, and they will raise their game against us, as will the fans. Tonight was a good result for Huddersfield, and deservedly so.
I do get that but they drew with a freak equaliser hardly warranted that iceland shit and players jumping on each other like it was the champions league final. They're top of the league man dilly ding dilly dong 😂
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Excellent for an hour other than the many wasted chances.
Then they woke up, made a couple of substitutions and really stretched us out wide. Thought they were as bad as Rotherham up to that point.
RDM should have changed things round earlier.
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I'd hate to be on those Huddersfield coaches when they realise this was a league game and there is no second leg. In thirty odd years I've never seen such over the top celebrations with a one-one draw.
We're going to see a lot of that, I think. Villa Park is a big day out for most teams in that division, and they will raise their game against us, as will the fans. Tonight was a good result for Huddersfield, and deservedly so.
It was pretty desperate stuff from them I thought. The whole team standing hand in hand and the goalscorer holding someone aloft at the end made them look very small time.
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We played well for an hour and then faded (especially midfield) which is a concern. It should have been over by half time; also, if we went 2 up it would've made it possible to pick them off on the break.
Credit to their manager for putting an extra man in midfield in the second half but starting Lolley and not Wells equally seemed poor from him.
RDM didn't manage the second half very well, but the bench didn't have any game changers or any game savers.
They got away with repetitive fouling and were one dimensional but worked hard for it when they looked outclassed in the first half.
Ultimately, Gollini has to accept the responsibility, as when someone is just charging straight at you, the golden rule is to kick it wide or at an angle at the very least. That way even if you hit the player it isn't going to go straight back from whence it came.
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Good first half without ever reaching the fluidity of Saturday, we really need to be more ruthless in front of goal, their keeper really didn't have a lot to do despite our possession. My Hudds mates told me that they weren't much cop but should be fitter than most teams and so it proved, as we faded after an hour they became more aggressive and quicker to every ball. A lot of our players, Jack, Ayew, Gestede, Mc Cormack simply ran out of steam. I thought Green was a poor choice of sub. For me, far too many long balls into Gestede and their players seemed to pick up the knock downs a lot better than we did. Not the worst of results or performances but very disappointing all the same.
My MOM Bacuna. Fair play to him, he's shown a lot of bottle. Tshbola also very good
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I'd hate to be on those Huddersfield coaches when they realise this was a league game and there is no second leg. In thirty odd years I've never seen such over the top celebrations with a one-one draw.
We're going to see a lot of that, I think. Villa Park is a big day out for most teams in that division, and they will raise their game against us, as will the fans. Tonight was a good result for Huddersfield, and deservedly so.
It was pretty desperate stuff from them I thought. The whole team standing hand in hand and the goalscorer holding someone aloft at the end made them look very small time.
I think someone mentioned it in a few weeks ago but we have got to be ready as most teams will treat a match against us and especially at Villa Park as a cup final. Get points here and it is a good result. I wonder if they had a similar reaction at full time at Sid James'es?
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I'd hate to be on those Huddersfield coaches when they realise this was a league game and there is no second leg. In thirty odd years I've never seen such over the top celebrations with a one-one draw.
We're going to see a lot of that, I think. Villa Park is a big day out for most teams in that division, and they will raise their game against us, as will the fans. Tonight was a good result for Huddersfield, and deservedly so.
It was pretty desperate stuff from them I thought. The whole team standing hand in hand and the goalscorer holding someone aloft at the end made them look very small time.
They're Huddersfield.
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It was rather pathetic.
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I'd hate to be on those Huddersfield coaches when they realise this was a league game and there is no second leg. In thirty odd years I've never seen such over the top celebrations with a one-one draw.
We're a big scalp for a team who had relegation worries in this division last season. A draw against us is a big result for them, especially as they're on a high after the Newcastle win.
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Dear me ...what a bunch of moaners we sound tonite ....first 4 pages by people possibly not even at the game !
We are a work in progress at the moment and the signs are encouraging ...lets remember half the team were not at the club last year and it takes time to gel
None of us had seen a team as bad as last season and changes are happening ....we can't expect to be winning every game ....lets have a better judgement in 6 weeks time
Already it sounds like people are looking are new scapegoats ......... just get off everyones back
It is the Championship but last season we were possibly League One standard
Get behind the Club ...lets fill Villa Park every game and get the Upper Trinity opened soon at create the atmosphere we want and deserve
Reading this tonite we sound more like Eddie the Baggies fan ....get behind the team and it will come together
People are critiquing the team in a post match thread aimed at discussing the teams performance - surely this can't be a surprise to you?
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Plus points some really good play in the first half, the crowd, the tribute.
I was quite concerned at how well they kept the ball in the 2nd half especially thus rendering ourselves knackered by not keeling hold k
Of it and chasing around.
Elphick should definitely have cleared that ball do not know why he let it run.
I'm not panicking yet. If I remember rightly last time we came up we couldn't seem to put teams away at home for quite a while but were quite tidy away. Derby are beatable.
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Huddersfield have spent most of their history in the bottom two divisions. The 1930s were when they last had a decent team.
I can fully understand why they'd be pretty excited at getting 4 points away to Newcastle and Villa.
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Followed on the radio. To be fair you can understand their celebrations as its 4 from 6 against two of the teams to come down. Seems like we lacked fitness, as the games come thick and fast, but not putting more than one away in the first half cost us as did a ricket. Sadly it's a quite familiar story. Hopefully jedinak will add a cool head and we can another striker or ayew can find his shooting boots.
As an aside, classy what the club did for Atkinson. Hi Wimbledon goal is the best on the highlights reel but for me if it was more every time he got the ball you knew anything was possible.
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Anyone else worried that Richards is still part of the match day squad? I know options are limited but we really should have sent him to Coventry after the Luton debacle.
A parasite like him in the squad can't be good for morale. Lyden or Toner might not be up to it either but would at least burst a gut for the cause.
At least Lescott is nearly gone, finishing his career in Ibrox is quite the send off
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A predictable result. We simply don't have the right attitude yet. The moment it looked like there was going to be a fight, we bottled it. Huddersfield bullied us for most of the second half and, freak goal aside, there was only one team going to score. They fully deserved their draw because they fought tooth and nail for it. We're just not up for that kind of battle yet.
I know Jack got the assist, but there's still far too much farting around from him in my opinion. On more than one occasion he tried to make nice, when he should be making sure. Similarly with Ayew, at times. We need to see less pussyfooting. Shoot. Have a go.
A word about Gollini. I know he fucked up, but he should bounce back ok. He went in bravely for a couple of balls in the second half. He's got guts.
Still a mountain to climb.
I've seen Jack try to side foot or just completely scuff his shots several times. I'm not sure why he doesn't just put his laces through the ball. He scored a lovely goal for Notts County by smashing it into the roof of the net. He's obviously got the technique to do it but he rarely seems to do it.
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The ref was shocking how we ended up with 3 players booked to their 1 I will never know. After the first 10 minutes I was sure they wouldn't end up with 11 on the pitch but for some reason the yellow cards never came.
The crowd were great, brilliant support when we first came under pressure and moving tribute to Dalian.
Similar to the Luton game in that we took our foot off the gas and/or ran out of ideas when we were on top and then they found their way back in then took control of the game. It's not that we have control of the game wrestled from us it's that we give it away. We need to be far more clinical when we're on top and cynical when we're losing our grip on a game.
Di matteo didn't really have options to change things whereas their manager made a difference with his subs, they gave them a lot more pace and width in the second half.
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Apart from the obvious fact that we again managed concede yet another ridiculous goal, I'm struggling to comprehend how we managed to not win that game. Huddersfield were as equally as poor as Rotherham in the first half and we should have been out of sight...I said at half time that not being clinical in front of goal would come back to haunt us and so it proved.
I'm not sure if it was their subs, their change in tactics or just that our players lost their confidence and looked knackered...the equaliser was inevitable one way or another. Oh well...hopefully RDM will learn more about the squad from this minor set back.
On the walk back to the car, ended up chatting to a couple of Huddersfield lads and they were very complimentary about the Villa and couldn't believe they weren't 3 or 4 down at half time. They also mentioned that we were a much better team, played better football, much better fans and much better atmosphere at Villa Park than the barcodes. Fairplay to them and safe journey home.
edit: also massive credit to all our fans tonight...the tribute to Dalian actually sent a shiver down my spine. RIP big man.
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I'd hate to be on those Huddersfield coaches when they realise this was a league game and there is no second leg. In thirty odd years I've never seen such over the top celebrations with a one-one draw.
We're going to see a lot of that, I think. Villa Park is a big day out for most teams in that division, and they will raise their game against us, as will the fans. Tonight was a good result for Huddersfield, and deservedly so.
It was pretty desperate stuff from them I thought. The whole team standing hand in hand and the goalscorer holding someone aloft at the end made them look very small time.
It's a German thing with their manager being ex-Dortmund, like Klopp did with Liverpool.
Nothing wrong (or small time) with Huddersfield celebrating a deserved away point, they had good support tonight and fair play to them.
Football is alive and kicking outside the Premier League and so far we've had two good old clubs visit with decent followings - I hope that's the case all season.
I bet nearly every one of the visiting fans we've seen this season was either from Huddersfield or Rotherham or had some strong personal connection with those places - which makes a refreshing change from the likes of Man U or Liverpool coming.
I'm enjoying this league so far and the football has been good to watch too.
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Random thought but just realised we don't play at home again for nearly 4 weeks.
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Couple of photos from tonight, first taken by me at HT, second one by someone by someone that knows what they are doing so I copied it from Facebook.
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Beautiful pics Mr Shin.
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I listened to it at work. Sounded like we dominated until they made the changes and we didnt react.
I admit to smashing my fist on the desk when they scored. But on reflection I am pleased we played so well.
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Couple of photos from tonight, first taken by me at HT, second one by someone by someone that knows what they are doing so I copied it from Facebook.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/14064099_10210200048298309_7683857293431719562_n_zpsnsxixtv8.jpg)
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the bottom pic could be an illustration , lovely
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I'd hate to be on those Huddersfield coaches when they realise this was a league game and there is no second leg. In thirty odd years I've never seen such over the top celebrations with a one-one draw.
We're going to see a lot of that, I think. Villa Park is a big day out for most teams in that division, and they will raise their game against us, as will the fans. Tonight was a good result for Huddersfield, and deservedly so.
It was pretty desperate stuff from them I thought. The whole team standing hand in hand and the goalscorer holding someone aloft at the end made them look very small time.
It's a German thing with their manager being ex-Dortmund, like Klopp did with Liverpool.
Nothing wrong (or small time) with Huddersfield celebrating a deserved away point, they had good support tonight and fair play to them.
Football is alive and kicking outside the Premier League and so far we've had two good old clubs visit with decent followings - I hope that's the case all season.
I bet nearly every one of the visiting fans we've seen this season was either from Huddersfield or Rotherham or had some strong personal connection with those places - which makes a refreshing change from the likes of Man U or Liverpool coming.
I'm enjoying this league so far and the football has been good to watch too.
take it as a compliment
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Not convinced longterm with Gestede up front. Whilst he gives us a presence he's too one dimensional. I feel a forward with more pace and guile would be a better option. Maybe switch Ayew to the middle with McCormack and play Adama or Green wide.
Dissappointed with the last 25 minutes, RDM was tactically outfought. Be interesting to see the possession stats. Even against Rotherham they had 51% possession, which surprised me.
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The problem is what do we do to change it? Gardner has looked a liability so far and the other bench options were not really inspired. We need a bit more depth to allow RDM to react more easily.
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It was good to see such a solid team unit for the whole of the first half.Credit to Huddersfield for continuing to plug away to keep just one goal difference when there was only one side in it so that their goal when it came meant something.. We will continue to improve as a team and it was nice to see our defence look confident in the main.
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Not convinced longterm with Gestede up front. Whilst he gives us a presence he's too one dimensional. I feel a forward with more pace and guile would be a better option. Maybe switch Ayew to the middle with McCormack and play Adama or Green wide.
Dissappointed with the last 25 minutes, RDM was tactically outfought. Be interesting to see the possession stats. Even against Rotherham they had 51% possession, which surprised me.
I think Gestede has improved a bit with his movement since last season. Probably as he has more confidence in himself in this league. And his areal threat goes without saying, along with his goal record at this level.
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He's definitely a threat
But we still need a more mobile option to play into the channels. I suspect this wil be more evident in some of our tougher away games if we don't get someone in.
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Very disappointed with the referee last night. He looked as if he was about 65 years old. He must have Brazilian connections as he had about the same understanding of when to issue a yellow card. Not many will have watched the heptathlon heats the other day when they failed to DQ the Belgian who eventually beat Jess Ennis. How he booked more Villa players when almost every time a Villa player broke clear they were taken out.
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Pointy and his under hit passes
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Mostly good, not taking chances and lack of options meant that they were always one mistake away from getting back into it which we duly delivered. Keeper had a good game but didn't need to come flying out, if he had stayed in the box the defender could have dealt with it. He did something similar in the first half but got away wit it, hopefully he will learn from it.
Traffic afterwards was a bastard, didn't get away from Aston until gone 11:00. Spotted as fire engine, ambulance and a couple of police vans parked up facing the wrong way on the Expressway so presumably a fairly serious incident.
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A few points from tonight.
Great to see our support, two games in a few days and a superb turnout.
Great atmosphere created by both sets of supporters throughout the game.
Fantastic first half and how were we not 3 up after five minutes!
Huddersfield came at us and it seemed also like a cup game for them. We struggled to react to it but still created chances which we should of converted.
The ref had a shocker. The game was to big for him and enjoyed booking every villa tackle.
Gollini showed his quality, especially with the finger tip save low down his left in the second half... and then his Bozzie moment.
I'm liking the way the team are playing but we need a plan b. Adama would of been a great option to throw on and give them something to think about.
Another striker to mix it up a little but God knows who.
A great show of appreciation at the tenth minute by all supporters.
Onwards and upwards!
Agree except why do you and others think Adama would have helped out. Ive seen nothing including Saturdays cameo to suggest he has what it takes particualry when we are defending
Adama: just to give us an out ball down the channels. At the risk on contradicting myself. Green came on and had to defend from the off, but I if adama had come on it would ( hopefully) given a different mind set to there full back.
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Agree with the comments about the midfield - we were over run from the 50th minute but had nobody on the bench to make a difference. Their No 10 was immense and ran the game second half - we don't have a midfielder like that. Forwards need to be clinical and/or give the ball a larruping! Too many underhit final passes for me.
On the positive side we played some great attacking football in the first half which has been absent for years. The best part of the evening was being in a sold-out Holte End on a balmy Summer's night saying goodbye to Dalian - 35k - perform and they will come!
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We'll be fine this season.
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Frustrating, because if we had got a second goal when we were well on top then I think Huddersfield would have folded. Over the 90 minutes a draw was a fair result.
There are more positive signs than negative ones and we now seem to be on a more upward trajectory.
I think Ayew is a talented individual but I am not sure that he "works" in the system we are trying to play. I also think Grealish sometimes needs to have the confidence to be a bit more direct.
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The problem with both Ayew and Grealish is that they both lack real pace
On the ball, they are absolute quality
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To put into context our 4 points from 3 games, we are 3 points behind first place in, and 4 points ahead of last place.
With Jedinak signing we shall see improvements. It is still early days, a point is better than none.
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First half last night was the best I've seen for a long time and unlucky not to score more. After about 10 minutes of the second half we started standing off them and letting them play and you could see the equaliser coming. Frustrating but hopefully signing a couple of experienced players should help.
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We played well for an hour and then faded (especially midfield) which is a concern. It should have been over by half time; also, if we went 2 up it would've made it possible to pick them off on the break.
Credit to their manager for putting an extra man in midfield in the second half but starting Lolley and not Wells equally seemed poor from him.
RDM didn't manage the second half very well, but the bench didn't have any game changers or any game savers.
They got away with repetitive fouling and were one dimensional but worked hard for it when they looked outclassed in the first half.
Ultimately, Gollini has to accept the responsibility, as when someone is just charging straight at you, the golden rule is to kick it wide or at an angle at the very least. That way even if you hit the player it isn't going to go straight back from whence it came.
About right - although I think there were options on the bench.
He took the wrong attacking option off - Ayew should have been replaced by an extra midfielder.
Other thoughts:
Gollini is in danger of being the worst kind of goalie - plays well for 80 minutes but in the other 10, gifts the game to the opposition.
Ayew - what's the point of him? Either he's playing in the wrong position or he's a poor man's N'zog.
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To put into context our 4 points from 3 games, we are 3 points behind first place in, and 4 points ahead of last place.
With Jedinak signing we shall see improvements. It is still early days, a point is better than none.
We are 3 points better off than we were at this stage last time we got relegated, too.
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I like Ayew a lot but he can be so casual at times. He should have put his foot through the chance he had just before half time.
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I like Ayew a lot but he can be so casual at times. He should have put his foot through the chance he had just before half time.
I agree. Blast the defender into the net along with the ball if necessary.
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A few points from tonight.
Great to see our support, two games in a few days and a superb turnout.
Great atmosphere created by both sets of supporters throughout the game.
Fantastic first half and how were we not 3 up after five minutes!
Huddersfield came at us and it seemed also like a cup game for them. We struggled to react to it but still created chances which we should of converted.
The ref had a shocker. The game was to big for him and enjoyed booking every villa tackle.
Gollini showed his quality, especially with the finger tip save low down his left in the second half... and then his Bozzie moment.
I'm liking the way the team are playing but we need a plan b. Adama would of been a great option to throw on and give them something to think about.
Another striker to mix it up a little but God knows who.
A great show of appreciation at the tenth minute by all supporters.
Onwards and upwards!
Agree except why do you and others think Adama would have helped out. Ive seen nothing including Saturdays cameo to suggest he has what it takes particualry when we are defending
Adama: just to give us an out ball down the channels. At the risk on contradicting myself. Green came on and had to defend from the off, but I if adama had come on it would ( hopefully) given a different mind set to there full back.
Agree with that. When you're getting mobbed you can either stiffen things up with play spoilers and extra defenders or hit them with good fast counterattacking to the extent that they have to think about hedging their bets. We didn't have the players on the bench for either option last night and it sadly highlighted Gardner's jack of no trades status.
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Couple of photos from tonight, first taken by me at HT, second one by someone by someone that knows what they are doing so I copied it from Facebook.
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excellent pics - I love them - tuesday night playing Huddersfield and look at that crowd , Amazing
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We played very well in the first half, but finishing was woeful. Gestede and Ayew both missed absolute sitters. For all his quality, I really think Ayew should have done better, missing with 3-4 chances he is as culpable as anyone for last night. Gestede worked hard, did some things well but again let us down with his finishing. McCormack was pretty quiet other than his goal and need more games.
Jack should have had the confidence to shoot rather than pull it back, but generally was absolutely excellent. Worked his socks off, always wanted the ball and is is looking back to his best. He could be a massive player for us.
I've seen a lot of criticism of Westwood, but thought in the first half he was very good indeed. Huddersfield were well organised but Westwood was everywhere linking up play, he never hides and always provides an outlet for team mates under pressure. Whilst I like the idea of Jedinak I just don't think he will have the quality to play that sort of role and would see him playing in addition to Westwood and Tish or maybe instead of Tish (who I also thought played well but tired).
Bacuna - another much maligned player - also had a good game with some excellent passes and high work rate.
We desperately needed fresh legs in the second half but didn't have the manpower on the bench. We also lacked pace throughout - an on form Gabby would have been useful in that second half.
For me saying Huddersfield deserved a point is pretty charitable. They did have more ball in the second half and we were nervy, but really they didn't create anything other than a scuffed over head kick and a few corners. Even under pressure we probably had the best chances in the second half - Gestede's double effort and a header that came off our own player - didn't pick up who was involved.
The goal was desperately unlucky - you get away with that 99 times out of 100.
Over all, reasonably positive, but FFS learn to put the ball in the net lads.
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The problem with both Ayew and Grealish is that they both lack real pace
On the ball, they are absolute quality
yep they are
Ayew , Grealish and Dalian Atkinson would have been an amazing forward line.
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Add Dean Saunders into that forward line, and it would have been fantastic
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The problem is what do we do to change it? Gardner has looked a liability so far and the other bench options were not really inspired. We need a bit more depth to allow RDM to react more easily.
That's precisely what I've been thinking during & after last nights game. If we don't have the players to make a real impact from the bench - then it's up to RDM & Tone to do some more recruitment biz & continue to improve the squad. I think we will just have to be patient & accept that the VP revolution will take time to bear fruit (although I can certainly understand the ongoing frustrations that many of us share). Keep the faith.
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The traffic getting out was horrific last night and I realise m6 south entry via expressway or otherwise didn't help, but does anyone know about what the incident was on expressway exit slip. Police on housing estate road adjacent , also stood on gantry etc. Then a fire engine with platform arrived plus ambulance .... Any clues !?
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Does anyone know why Adama wasn't on the bench? The lack of striking options on the subs bench was worrying? I'd have put Davis or RHM on just to give us something different.
The lads looked knackered after 70 minutes. You could see their goal coming.
On to Saturday and we really need to try an win.
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The problem is what do we do to change it? Gardner has looked a liability so far and the other bench options were not really inspired. We need a bit more depth to allow RDM to react more easily.
That's precisely what I've been thinking during & after last nights game. If we don't have the players to make a real impact from the bench - then it's up to RDM & Tone to do some more recruitment biz & continue to improve the squad. I think we will just have to be patient & accept that the VP revolution will take time to bear fruit (although I can certainly understand the ongoing frustrations that many of us share). Keep the faith.
I think he went with the same 11 because they'd done the job on Saturday, and he's still feeling his way with the squad, starting line-up, formation and style. If we'd done nothing different other than been more clinical around goal in the first hour last night, irrespective of how the midfield or defence looked, he'd have been justified.
That said, though, I really don't think the arrival of Jedinak is coincidental in its fortuitousness (assuming it's happening/happened, I've not looked today!), RDM knows we need bodies in there, decent ones at that. The impact of Wells was instant, and I don't believe RDM didn't want to react quicker, but, like ozzjim says, more that he felt he couldn't with what was sat behind him.
And I'd still like a better centre-forward.
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Does anyone know why Adama wasn't on the bench? The lack of striking options on the subs bench was worrying? I'd have put Davis or RHM on just to give us something different.
The lads looked knackered after 70 minutes. You could see their goal coming.
On to Saturday and we really need to try an win.
I was listening to the FM commentary on O/S and it showed that Traore WAS a sub??
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Its still a time for optimism, but it was again a game of two halves as has been said, and the issues around tiring late and few subs are sensible. But there is a pattern, of dropping heads when things go wrong. Best player defensively was the goal post. Saved us when Nanki Wells their best player should have scored. THeir manager decided to go for victory, ours needed to strengthen the defence and did not do so. Luck kept the shot out.
My main beef is the groundhog day at Villa. Its been going on for years how the same players can be good then dreadful. Against Liverpool under Sherwood they were world beaters. Get to Wembly against Arsenal and they do not turn up. OK in a cup final against Wenger, but in the Championship Jeckyll and Hyde should have been kicked out the dressing room. Its impossible to know how the players can go from major to minor... and inside the same game if it turns against them. Anyone else think a sports psychologist is now essential?
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The traffic getting out was horrific last night and I realise m6 south entry via expressway or otherwise didn't help, but does anyone know about what the incident was on expressway exit slip. Police on housing estate road adjacent , also stood on gantry etc. Then a fire engine with platform arrived plus ambulance .... Any clues !?
Yes. There was a young man sat on top of the road sign looking somewhat precarious. It was right next to where I parked and the police were trying to coax him down as I was sat in the traffic. I don't know the outcome but I sincerely hope he was okay, it looked a horrible situation.
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Saved us when Nanki Wells their best player should have scored. THeir manager decided to go for victory, ours needed to strengthen the defence and did not do so. Luck kept the shot out.
To be fair luck also got them their goal. As has been pointed out, the rebound off their forward could have gone anywhere.
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That's because it wasn't a game of two halves.
They brought Wells on at about the hour mark and he, along with Scannell pushed wide onto our full backs and Cissokho in particular looked poor as he struggled against the pace.
We should have responded with Green and going three centrally sooner, but we didn't. That said, bar the free kick, they huffed and puffed with balls into the box but created very little.
Maddening to chuck points away against a side who looked as bad as anything I've ever seen at Villa Park for an hour. 5-0 would have flattered them.
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the incident was a horrific three car pile up at the junction of the A34 and the Chester ROad, southbound, Birmingham side. All three cars seriously damaged. Two ambulances arrived while I was crawling up the northbound side and at half past ten the police had sealed the road so southbound traffic was going back on the A34 north.
Impossible to tell how three cars have a high speed collision on a two lane urban highway with no roads coming in. are there any reports in the media?
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the incident was a horrific three car pile up at the junction of the A34 and the Chester ROad, southbound, Birmingham side. All three cars seriously damaged. Two ambulances arrived while I was crawling up the northbound side and at half past ten the police had sealed the road so southbound traffic was going back on the A34 north.
Impossible to tell how three cars have a high speed collision on a two lane urban highway with no roads coming in. are there any reports in the media?
That's a different incident then, I saw police trying to coax a man down from the overhead road sign.
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one of the biggest problems for us is like we have seen against Luton and Huddersfield we start of well and look in cruise mode,
then the opposition realise we arnt really that good and remember we fold quicker than a deck chair and start to have a go normally with some success
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They certainly started to press us aggressively much higher up the pitch after an hour. In a decent performance I was a bit disappointed with our fitness levels, I suppose it was a warm night but they got stronger as we faded.
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the incident was a horrific three car pile up at the junction of the A34 and the Chester ROad, southbound, Birmingham side. All three cars seriously damaged. Two ambulances arrived while I was crawling up the northbound side and at half past ten the police had sealed the road so southbound traffic was going back on the A34 north.
Impossible to tell how three cars have a high speed collision on a two lane urban highway with no roads coming in. are there any reports in the media?
That's a different incident then, I saw police trying to coax a man down from the overhead road sign.
It doesn't help that the lights at the island under Spaghetti only let a few cars through before changing again - why they can't change the timing of these after a match to help traffic get away is beyond me. Not much comes the other way but what does then gets held up by cars at the lights trying to join Lichfield Road from Cuckoo Road.
Traffic management around Villa Park is very poor for a major stadium and has been for the last 2 or 3 years.
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Does anyone know why Adama wasn't on the bench? The lack of striking options on the subs bench was worrying? I'd have put Davis or RHM on just to give us something different.
The lads looked knackered after 70 minutes. You could see their goal coming.
On to Saturday and we really need to try an win.
I was listening to the FM commentary on O/S and it showed that Traore WAS a sub??
If Adama was supposed to be a sub and then wasn't able to take part, that would explain the strange make-up of the bench last night. Four defenders did seem a bit odd.
Maybe Richards or Baker replaced Adama
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Morning after thoughts. Very good match, fair result.
Seeing many positives this season already. In an ideal world when they took control of the game we'd have bought on a third quality central midfield player for Ross or Rudy to close them game down, alas we didn't have that option on the bench last night.
Overall no complaints. We're learning as we go and hopefully those that thought this league would be a cake walk have started to realise this is our current level by now.
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so approx 20 chances verses 2 and a lucky rebound and a draw is a fair result? I just don't get our fans sometimes.
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I was disappointed in the yellow cards we picked up - Huddersfield seemed up for it in the second half and let our players know about it and I think we responded badly. And the ref was shit.
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For those interested, who-scored do pretty decent analysis of games...interesting stuff.
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1084886/MatchReport
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so approx 20 chances verses 2 and a lucky rebound and a draw is a fair result? I just don't get our fans sometimes.
Huddersfield absolutely hammered us for most of the second half - I'm sure the possession stats must bear that out. I think it was a fair result.
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so approx 20 chances verses 2 and a lucky rebound and a draw is a fair result? I just don't get our fans sometimes.
When you only convert 1 of those 20 chances, then I'm afraid a draw is a fair result.
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I was disappointed in the yellow cards we picked up - Huddersfield seemed up for it in the second half and let our players know about it and I think we responded badly. And the ref was shit.
The fouls were frustrating, but most of their cynical ones that went unpunished seemed to be in their our half, whereas I think our bookings were when they were venturing into our half. They played the ref very well and stopped a number of breaks with clever fouls. The ref should have been stronger and spotted what was going on.
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so approx 20 chances verses 2 and a lucky rebound and a draw is a fair result? I just don't get our fans sometimes.
When you only convert 1 of those 20 chances, then I'm afraid a draw is a fair result.
So, by your analysis every result is a fair one as it reflects the amount of chances each team puts away? There are no lucky or unlucky teams in any given games?
No, I don't buy that. We were the dominant team and created most chances. We were unlucky with some of them and some were poor finishing. They had very few genuine attempts on goal and their actual goal was incredibly lucky.
It was a fair result in that we scored the same amount of goals, but not on the balance of play or the amount of genuine chances created.
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Its still a time for optimism, but it was again a game of two halves as has been said, and the issues around tiring late and few subs are sensible. But there is a pattern, of dropping heads when things go wrong. Best player defensively was the goal post. Saved us when Nanki Wells their best player should have scored. THeir manager decided to go for victory, ours needed to strengthen the defence and did not do so. Luck kept the shot out.
My main beef is the groundhog day at Villa. Its been going on for years how the same players can be good then dreadful. Against Liverpool under Sherwood they were world beaters. Get to Wembly against Arsenal and they do not turn up. OK in a cup final against Wenger, but in the Championship Jeckyll and Hyde should have been kicked out the dressing room. Its impossible to know how the players can go from major to minor... and inside the same game if it turns against them. Anyone else think a sports psychologist is now essential?
The free-kick wouldn't have won them the game. We were still winning then.
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so approx 20 chances verses 2 and a lucky rebound and a draw is a fair result? I just don't get our fans sometimes.
When you only convert 1 of those 20 chances, then I'm afraid a draw is a fair result.
So, by your analysis every result is a fair one as it reflects the amount of chances each team puts away? There are no lucky or unlucky teams in any given games?
No, I don't buy that. We were the dominant team and created most chances. We were unlucky with some of them and some were poor finishing. They had very few genuine attempts on goal and their actual goal was incredibly lucky.
It was a fair result in that we scored the same amount of goals, but not on the balance of play or the amount of genuine chances created.
I'm just saying that if you're not good enough to convert your chances, then how can you deserve to win?
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so approx 20 chances verses 2 and a lucky rebound and a draw is a fair result? I just don't get our fans sometimes.
When you only convert 1 of those 20 chances, then I'm afraid a draw is a fair result.
So, by your analysis every result is a fair one as it reflects the amount of chances each team puts away? There are no lucky or unlucky teams in any given games?
No, I don't buy that. We were the dominant team and created most chances. We were unlucky with some of them and some were poor finishing. They had very few genuine attempts on goal and their actual goal was incredibly lucky.
It was a fair result in that we scored the same amount of goals, but not on the balance of play or the amount of genuine chances created.
They weathered our storm and came out fighting. We had no response to it and got bullied for at least half an hour. If the game had gone on all night there would have been only one winner. If we'd taken our chances in the first half there would have been only one winner, but we didn't. As it happened, a draw was a fair result.
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so approx 20 chances verses 2 and a lucky rebound and a draw is a fair result? I just don't get our fans sometimes.
Er, how many saves do you recall off their keeper versus ours ?
They completely bossed us for the last 30 minutes and even hit the wood work. I just don't get our fans sometimes
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An undefeated run of two games, I am still pinching myself!
A very good attendance too.
Much to be optimistic about.
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I thought it a fair result as well, if we'd have scored when very much on top it would have been a different story but we didn't and were happy to hear the final whistle. I wouldn't have wanted another goal in the game because I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been us scoring it.
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Gollini needs our support, last night was a freak thing to happen I my view
but as a big fan of Guzan, I have to say in my opinion we would be top of the league now if we had kept him and saved 5million quid
He would have been head and shoulders the best goalkeeper in this league playing in a team with a bit more confidence
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I thought it a fair result as well, if we'd have scored when very much on top it would have been a different story but we didn't and were happy to hear the final whistle. I wouldn't have wanted another goal in the game because I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been us scoring it.
I agree - during the last 15 minutes we were not going to score again.
If the halves had been switched around, I reckon we could have been saying we were unlucky not to have won as I think our dominance over them was greater than theirs was over ours, but the last 30 minutes wasn't good.
Their players managed the fouling aspects quite well, doing it in relays; reminded me of Everton under Moyes.
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For those interested, who-scored do pretty decent analysis of games...interesting stuff.
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1084886/MatchReport
How do they compute the player positions? If they're a sort of average of when involved in the play then they explain a lot.
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I may have this completely wrong but my impression is that we look a lot more threatening from corners now McCormack is taking them rather than Westwood floating them in.
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Does anyone know why Adama wasn't on the bench? The lack of striking options on the subs bench was worrying? I'd have put Davis or RHM on just to give us something different.
The lads looked knackered after 70 minutes. You could see their goal coming.
On to Saturday and we really need to try an win.
I was listening to the FM commentary on O/S and it showed that Traore WAS a sub??
If Adama was supposed to be a sub and then wasn't able to take part, that would explain the strange make-up of the bench last night. Four defenders did seem a bit odd.
Maybe Richards or Baker replaced Adama
No, Richards, Baker and Amavi all showing on O/S Matchday teamsheet.
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RDM didn't manage the second half very well, but the bench didn't have any game changers or any game savers.
hit the player it isn't going to go straight back from whence it came.
This is my take on it as well. After 10 mins of second half it was clear that they were in control and we will not hold out. Our bench didn't see it however we didn't have any good amunition sitting on the bench to come on and reverse their tide.
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I'd hate to be on those Huddersfield coaches when they realise this was a league game and there is no second leg. In thirty odd years I've never seen such over the top celebrations with a one-one draw.
We're going to see a lot of that, I think. Villa Park is a big day out for most teams in that division, and they will raise their game against us, as will the fans. Tonight was a good result for Huddersfield, and deservedly so.
It was pretty desperate stuff from them I thought. The whole team standing hand in hand and the goalscorer holding someone aloft at the end made them look very small time.
No I think it was a huge compliment to our Club, Villa park and it was a big ocassion for them.
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I'd hate to be on those Huddersfield coaches when they realise this was a league game and there is no second leg. In thirty odd years I've never seen such over the top celebrations with a one-one draw.
We're going to see a lot of that, I think. Villa Park is a big day out for most teams in that division, and they will raise their game against us, as will the fans. Tonight was a good result for Huddersfield, and deservedly so.
It was pretty desperate stuff from them I thought. The whole team standing hand in hand and the goalscorer holding someone aloft at the end made them look very small time.
No I think it was a huge compliment to our Club, Villa park and it was a big ocassion for them.
The bookies have us and Newcastle as two of the favourites for promotion whilst Huddersfield were way down the list. So given they had just followed up a win over Newcastle with a draw against us it would have been like us last season following an away win over Manchester United with an away win over Chelsea. I think our travelling support would have celebrated. And I agree, you could tell they thought it was a big occasion and celebrated it as such which we should not only take as a compliment but also get used to it whenever any team gets a result at Villa Park.
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Not too disheartened by last night, the team is coming together and we are playig better football. Still have a soft midfield but that will change and need an injection of pace, but we are'nt far behind and if we keep the atmosphere and togetherness going in the ground then with a couple of key players we will do ok.
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I like Ayew a lot but he can be so casual at times. He should have put his foot through the chance he had just before half time.
I agree. Blast the defender into the net along with the ball if necessary.
He slipped just before he could tee up and ended up toe poking it.
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I like Ayew a lot but he can be so casual at times. He should have put his foot through the chance he had just before half time.
I agree. Blast the defender into the net along with the ball if necessary.
He slipped just before he could tee up and ended up toe poking it.
There were a few occasions where he could have pulled the trigger though but chose not to, Grealish too.
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I like Ayew a lot but he can be so casual at times. He should have put his foot through the chance he had just before half time.
I agree. Blast the defender into the net along with the ball if necessary.
He slipped just before he could tee up and ended up toe poking it.
There were a few occasions where he could have pulled the trigger though but chose not to, Grealish too.
We were saying the same thing, an out and out striker would not hesitate but neither are that.
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Regarding their celebrations at FT, apparently they do it every game.
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Unnecessary points give away in the end!
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I was a bit disappointed with our fitness levels, I suppose it was a warm night but they got stronger as we faded.
That's a point that I've seen raised several times since last night including from Huddersfield fans who generally thought we looked knackered for the last 20 minutes.
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up to the freak goal, NO it wasn't coming, that's why they were lumping the ball forward no other game plan. But with the goal it upped there game and yes we were holding on.
all this division is going to come to VP and try to get us on the break therefore , forewarned fore armed. with Jedinak coming at least we'll have a bit of meat in our midfield.
Unfortunately Rudy just aint mobile enough.
Ayew was off the boil.
Jack was my motm.
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We just need another couple of leaders and more starters that aren't tainted by the paralysis of last season when something goes against us.
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Interesting how Elphick marshals the whole team, very influential. It was actually himself who suggested to RDM that midfield was freshened up as legs were tiered, and he was duly listened too, gonna be one of our greatest captains I'm sure. Today's signing means he'll start and although I thought Westwood been OK of late, he'll definitely be better sub to come on than gardiner
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Agree Dazvillan, I thought McCormack was organising the front end of the ship?
btw he looks a great signing.
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I'd hate to be on those Huddersfield coaches when they realise this was a league game and there is no second leg. In thirty odd years I've never seen such over the top celebrations with a one-one draw.
They no doubt see beating Newcastle and drawing with Villa as the EFL version of the same results against Man City and United. They should enjoy it. We would.
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They do it every game, nothing to do with getting a point at Villa, they'd have been doing it if was a point at Burton.
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Well I thought their fans were great and a fantastic away turnout on a Tuesday night.
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Well I thought their fans were great and a fantastic away turnout on a Tuesday night.
Agreed. Great support, as was ours as well.
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Well I thought their fans were great and a fantastic away turnout on a Tuesday night.
Yes, I'd rather have supporters like that than a load of entitled Arsenal or Liverpool fans. Albeit in the top flight and with us winning, ideally, mind.
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I think we would really benefit from a pacy 'target man' as none as our forwards can hold onto the ball to help to take the pressure off when we are under pressure (as Gestede just flicks it up or on whether anyone is around him and he cannot hang onto it) and a strong central midfielder (hopefully Jedinak will provide this) who can try to ensure that we keep our shape throughout a match. I still think he needed to sacrifice one of the four forwards to put an extra man in midfield when we were being over run - anyone could have helped for the last 30 minutes!
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I still think he needed to sacrifice one of the four forwards to put an extra man in midfield when we were being over run - anyone could have helped for the last 30 minutes!
It's a bit of a no brainer...Gestede is the weakest link and another midfielder would contribute so much more.
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I think we would really benefit from a pacy 'target man' as none as our forwards can hold onto the ball to help to take the pressure off when we are under pressure (as Gestede just flicks it up or on whether anyone is around him and he cannot hang onto it) and a strong central midfielder (hopefully Jedinak will provide this) who can try to ensure that we keep our shape throughout a match. I still think he needed to sacrifice one of the four forwards to put an extra man in midfield when we were being over run - anyone could have helped for the last 30 minutes!
Agree and in McCormack and Gestede, we don't have strikers who can get in behind teams. I thought he was technically pretty raw, but Wells did exactly that for Huddersfield when he came on last night. He was constantly moving and didn't give our defenders any rest. We need that type of option in the squad.
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I think we would really benefit from a pacy 'target man' as none as our forwards can hold onto the ball to help to take the pressure off when we are under pressure (as Gestede just flicks it up or on whether anyone is around him and he cannot hang onto it) and a strong central midfielder (hopefully Jedinak will provide this) who can try to ensure that we keep our shape throughout a match. I still think he needed to sacrifice one of the four forwards to put an extra man in midfield when we were being over run - anyone could have helped for the last 30 minutes!
Agree and in McCormack and Gestede, we don't have strikers who can get in behind teams. I thought he was technically pretty raw, but Wells did exactly that for Huddersfield when he came on last night. He was constantly moving and didn't give our defenders any rest. We need that type of option in the squad.
Rudy wins a lot of ball now but the flick on is usually to far ahead for Ross to run onto - maybe if he can angle the flick instead of it going straight at goal? I seem to remember it was a classic Villa tactic in the early 70's for the ball to be flicked on from a goalie's kick for a pacy forward but with the "flicker" nearer the half-way line and more central...
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What struck me about Tuesday was that the visitors had come to watch their team, the home fans had come to watch theirs and there were few neutrals.
The majority of coporates have fled and the day-trippers, anxious to watch wankers like Costa and Rooney, are absent.
The football came first.
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And the corporates seem to have fled to the Albion. They'll be back, probably sooner than we think.
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And the corporates seem to have fled to the Albion. They'll be back, probably sooner than we think.
Fuckin' hell, they are in for a shock when they see that main stand, most of them will be taller than it.
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Well I thought their fans were great and a fantastic away turnout on a Tuesday night.
The club is genuinely part of the community here - population of about 140,000 and 15,000 of them have season tickets. They are also incredibly anti-Leeds.
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Have they had a home game yet? They'll be back after that I'd imagine, with blood flowing from their eyes.
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Well I thought their fans were great and a fantastic away turnout on a Tuesday night.
The club is genuinely part of the community here - population of about 140,000 and 15,000 of them have season tickets. They are also incredibly anti-Leeds.
15K ST's is impressive specially as it's not a big town. Well good luck to them I am sure if Bmouth can make it to PL and survive Hfield can as well.
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And the corporates seem to have fled to the Albion. They'll be back, probably sooner than we think.
Fuckin' hell, they are in for a shock when they see that main stand, most of them will be taller than it.
And the canteen grub they serve up in the Bert Millichip suite and Bassett something Lounge. The food really is Leisure centre cafe standard.