Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: trevor fisher on August 09, 2016, 09:07:05 PM
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It just occurred to me that it is exactly six years since Martin O'Neill resigned - August 9th 2010. And in that six years we have staggered from one crisis to another. Was it O'Neill's going that put us on the downward path or was it impossible for anyone to work with Lerner? Its worth thinking what O'Neill's legacy was. Did he over achieve with a set up that could not ever work because of the owner, or saddle us with a legacy that none of the managers that followed could overcome? We certainly never recovered from his quitting, and ROberto now has a house that has to be demolished and rebuilt. Is this O'Neill's fault or what?
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Oh joy.
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Not now mate, please.
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Groundhog day
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Oh no
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Get me off this fucking roundabout!
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I refer you to my earlier 4,207 posts on the subject.
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Are we playing Botticelli?
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has pubehead left then?
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is all I have to say on the matter.
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anyone got the Spurs players wages and general outgoing costs as a percentage of turnover to hand
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Really ? are we doing this ? hang on he may have a point , as Columbo used to say , just one last thing
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PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE FFS
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lol......
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I don't think he did anything wrong at all. Even the timing of his leaving was surely designed as a very loud wake up call to Mr. Lerner. Although, come to think of it, Randy himself did a fantastic job too, so you have to wonder what all the recent fuss has been about.
If O'Neill had a fault, it was generosity: giving all those young and untried players their big chance in Europe; fixing it for Mrs. Heskey's little boy to get to play with a real professional football team; all those really quite high fees and wages for - some might say - mediocre players. Yes, he was Villa's Willy Wonka was Martin and, let's not forget - he never relegated us! Not once!
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Ian Jones
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anyone got the Spurs players wages and general outgoing costs as a percentage of turnover to hand
I'm going to need an Excel spreadsheet I'm afraid.
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anyone got the Spurs players wages and general outgoing costs as a percentage of turnover to hand
Well, since you ask....
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anyone got the Spurs players wages and general outgoing costs as a percentage of turnover to hand
Well, since you ask....
Trust the bloody accountant to just have that to hand.... :P
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Was it MON who brought in all these release clauses? And why didn't he take the penalty?
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I am in holiday in Barcelona. Just cam home from a lovely dinner to be met with this thread. God give me strength. O neill is gone. Whatever legacy he had does not reach 6 years down the road. We were relegated 4 years after Ron Suanders left. Was that his fault? Move on
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CySYwZNH65I
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I am in holiday in Barcelona. Just cam home from a lovely dinner to be met with this thread. God give me strength. O neill is gone. Whatever legacy he had does not reach 6 years down the road. We were relegated 4 years after Ron Suanders left. Was that his fault? Move on
Five.
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Ian Jones
That's the final piece I need to steal your bank details . Thanks.
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I also don't think he did anything wrong at all. For somebody that knew fuck all about football, he took his opportunity. Money in the bank.
I do occasionally wonder though what would have happened with Lerner's money if we'd got a half decent manager.
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*That gif of Grandpa Simpson whistling as he comes in the front door, hanging up his hat before fetching it again and fucking right off".
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*That gif of Grandpa Simpson whistling as he comes in the front door, hanging up his hat before fetching it again and fucking right off".
One of the greatest things on the entire internet.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/11gC4odpiRKuha/giphy.gif)
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I do occasionally wonder though what would have happened with Lerner's money if we'd got a half decent manager.
And the thing is, we tried to tell them, at the time, didn't we, Mark? Us and Risso.
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MON's only legacy is that ridiculous song our fans sing to the manager to "give us a wave". Fcuk me, it's embarrassing.
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Thief.
Ian Jones
That's the final piece I need to steal your bank details . Thanks.
Ian Jones
That's the final piece I need to steal your bank details . Thanks.
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Oh fuck.
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*That gif of Grandpa Simpson whistling as he comes in the front door, hanging up his hat before fetching it again and fucking right off".
One of the greatest things on the entire internet.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/11gC4odpiRKuha/giphy.gif)
Its worth following this thread just for this gif.
Its a thing of beauty.
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I didn't really want to look at this thread but it was worth it for that gif.
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Only bettered by one other gif:
(http://media.balls.ie/uploads/2014/01/york.gif)
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I was hoping that the human brain, like the liver can repair itself. Some of the damage inflicted by the raking over of O'Neill history seemed to be healing with the throughput of equally calamitous management but, just like a tired old spook on a ghost train ride here he is again. Whistling grandad Simpson and leering MM are very therapeutic though.
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yes
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Pavlov said the dogs were demonstrating classical conditioning.
Whenever i read a MON thread on here a get a visual in my head of other posters turning into Father Jack.
For anyone still suffering from PTSD/MON syndrome let's hope these threads are like therapy.
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has that answered all of your points Trevor? :D :D :D :D
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Some good gif revivals here. Can I request the Bollywood one where that guy flies forward punching faces?
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The man jumping out the window please
Tim Sherwood Win Ratio 59%
Give it Giggsy till the end of the season
Anything by Ronnie Pickering
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Some good gif revivals here. Can I request the Bollywood one where that guy flies forward punching faces?
I think the Mick McCarthy gif is unparalleled - no doubt rolled out again when we play Ipswich.
The other one that still cracks me up is the Hitler-in-the-bunker rage after the Blose game a few years' ago; helpless laughter ...
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Completely forgotten how to post gif
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Bah failed attempt at an iframe..
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Ah, a Legion home movie
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MON's only legacy is that ridiculous song our fans sing to the manager to "give us a wave". Fcuk me, it's embarrassing.
The first "give us a wave" song I can remember was sung to SGT. As for MON the timing was unfortunate but he can't be blamed for the poor managerial appointments and player signings in the last six years that have got us relegated. Although I do suspect Randy Lerner felt let down by him and that maybe started his disenchantment with Villa and football in general.
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Whilst we're at it, why didn't Barry take the penalty?
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Whilst we're at it, why didn't Barry take the penalty?
Owls are the coolest I keep telling you.
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Whilst we're at it, why didn't Barry take the penalty?
Owls are the coolest I keep telling you.
What was that whole owls vs. gibbons malarky?
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I looked at this thread after a couple of days, because I was surprised by the number of responses. I'm pleased to see that most people have about as much interest in this debate as me!
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Ah, a Legion home movie
If it was Legion the laptop would have boomeranged back in and hit him. Or taken a chunk out of a kitchen unit.
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MON's only legacy is that ridiculous song our fans sing to the manager to "give us a wave". Fcuk me, it's embarrassing.
The first "give us a wave" song I can remember was sung to SGT. As for MON the timing was unfortunate but he can't be blamed for the poor managerial appointments and player signings in the last six years that have got us relegated. Although I do suspect Randy Lerner felt let down by him and that maybe started his disenchantment with Villa and football in general.
I remember Graham Turner give us a wave chants in 1984?
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O'Neill?(http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/walter-white-fuck-you-and-your-eyebrows-breaking-bad.gif)
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MON's only legacy is that ridiculous song our fans sing to the manager to "give us a wave". Fcuk me, it's embarrassing.
I'ts very football league though!
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Best gif ever.
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Please higher powers lock this thread! ;)
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I think our problems and worries go much deeper and started prior to MON.
I blame Jack Hughes and his mates.
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yes I agree with andy lochhead in the air that the problems go much deeper than MON. The groundhog day goes back to Saunders though its unfair to blame the manager. Relations between manager and owner or chair are fragile at best and keep breaking down, right back to Saunders and his walk out. Which was not something that has ever been explained, and the argument was with the now forgotten Ron Bendall. Then Doug Ellis came back and the managerial roundabout started again.
The current owner is much more hands on than Lerner was, so Roberto must be aware that he has less elbow room than O'Neill. If there is a lesson from O'Neill walking out and its still not fully explained - like Saunders walking out - it is that what happens in the boardroom is the key to what a club does, and the media hardly ever report what is going on