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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Stirchley Villain on July 09, 2016, 11:13:53 PM
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He scored2 free kicks today. Is he worth re-evaluating for the Chmpoinship season? He's been out of the picture for so long it would almost be like signing a new player. I never rated him in the Premier League though..
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Let's wait to see what he is like versus proper competition. just because he scored two free kicks isn't any indication as to how we will do against Championship level opponents in his actual position. And he's at most a back up to Amavi. I don't expect Cissokho to be here when the season kicks off.
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If he's improved enough to merit being part of the squad, great. It would allow us to focus on other areas.
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Jesus Christ I genuinely thought he'd gone for good. He's fuckin hopeless, get rid. Cancel his contract or something, just don't play him ever again.
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Joe Bennett as left back and Jordan Amavi on the left wing both interchanging in this division could work
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I'll wait till he's done it against someone other than a bunch of Austrian plumbers and postmen.
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I'll wait till he's done it against someone other than a bunch of Austrian plumbers and postmen.
To be fair, he has done for a season with Sheffield Wednesday.
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I'll wait till he's done it against someone other than a bunch of Austrian plumbers and postmen.
To be fair, he has done for a season with Sheffield Wednesday.
Wiki needs updating then it shows no matches for them etc.
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I'll wait till he's done it against someone other than a bunch of Austrian plumbers and postmen.
this
never pl quality like so many others
if there is anyone stupid enough willing to buy him let him go
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I'll wait till he's done it against someone other than a bunch of Austrian plumbers and postmen.
To be fair, he has done for a season with Sheffield Wednesday.
Wiki needs updating then it shows no matches for them etc.
He played for them four times.
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To be fair, he probably deserves a chance to show what he can do before we're so quick to fk him off.
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Jesus Christ I genuinely thought he'd gone for good. He's fuckin hopeless, get rid. Cancel his contract or something, just don't play him ever again.
I have a more charitable view and always felt there was some hint of a player there.
Let's wait and see if he can reclaim a team slot on merit.
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Jesus Christ I genuinely thought he'd gone for good. He's fuckin hopeless, get rid. Cancel his contract or something, just don't play him ever again.
I have a more charitable view and always felt there was some hint of a player there.
Let's wait and see if he can reclaim a team slot on merit.
That is how I see it, he got caught out defensively too often but he certainly has ability with the ball. If the manager can get that side of his game sorted out then he might be a useful player to have in the squad.
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Jesus Christ I genuinely thought he'd gone for good. He's fuckin hopeless, get rid. Cancel his contract or something, just don't play him ever again.
I have a more charitable view and always felt there was some hint of a player there.
Let's wait and see if he can reclaim a team slot on merit.
That is how I see it, he got caught out defensively too often but he certainly has ability with the ball. If the manager can get that side of his game sorted out then he might be a useful player to have in the squad.
I agree with these views. He has some skill. Could be a valuable squad member
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Jesus Christ I genuinely thought he'd gone for good. He's fuckin hopeless, get rid. Cancel his contract or something, just don't play him ever again.
I have a more charitable view and always felt there was some hint of a player there.
Let's wait and see if he can reclaim a team slot on merit.
That is how I see it, he got caught out defensively too often but he certainly has ability with the ball. If the manager can get that side of his game sorted out then he might be a useful player to have in the squad.
I agree with these views. He has some skill. Could be a valuable squad member
I think the problem with most of the squad is they were coached badly, they arrive start off well then our coaching or lack of it kicked in and form and confidence took a dive.
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I believe Joe Bennett has got it, I always have, AND with the correct guidance, I believe he can be a top player.
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I'll wait till he's done it against someone other than a bunch of Austrian plumbers and postmen.
To be fair, he has done for a season with Sheffield Wednesday.
yeah two years ago against Chelsea at villa park , he was motm
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I don't think he's good enough personally.
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He was certainly better going forward than defending and it was clear that he needed coaching on defending. Perhaps as an option as a wide midfield player if we need to go to that formation.
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I think he is one of the countless number of players who arrived - were at - VP and then because of the chronic coaching/managerial aspects rapidly took backward steps. He has some ability, we shall just have to wait and see whether the new set up (and let's pray to god it is 100% better than that over the last few years) can bring it out of him to a degree that he can be judged as whether he is good enough to hold a place down in the team.
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Don't rate him myself. Besides I'd rather he improveS as a defender and never score again in his life. As a squad player he might be worth keeping, but nothing more.
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Certainly didn't rate him at first.
When he came on as a Sub against Notts County last season he looked a little bigger and stronger - scored a decent goal too.
I'd certainly give him a chance ahead of AC.
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If Steve Clarke can coach him the defensive side of his position, he could be a very good modern day left back.
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He was certainly better going forward than defending and it was clear that he needed coaching on defending. Perhaps as an option as a wide midfield player if we need to go to that formation.
I totally agree with this. He has got a bit more experience now, with different coaches, he may have matured. If he has improved I would keep him as a option for left back or midfield
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Never impressed in his first season, but for me, he has 2 very distinct advantages
1) He has a lot of Championship experience
2) He is not Ally Cissokho
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Never impressed in his first season, but for me, he has 2 very distinct advantages
1) He has a lot of Championship experience
2) He is not Ally Cissokho
I'd like an upgrade on Cissokho not a downgrade. Honestly has everyone forgotten the car crash of a player from the last time he was in and around the first team? No amount of coaching will make him a good player, he just isn't a good player. Cut our losses and get rid. He was one of those appalling players the club signed when it was clear the owner had given up so we had to scratch around the lower leagues for players who were clearly out of their depth in the PL. In my opinion he's not even Championship standard.
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Never rated him from the first few games I watched.
Don't really want him playing for us this season. We want to be a promotion chasing team, well he didn't get anywhere near the Wednesday team last season did he?
I'd rather we'd just loaned out Lowton instead as I do rate him and he had a really good season at Burnley so certainly would've been decent for us at this level.
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I'll wait till he's done it against someone other than a bunch of Austrian plumbers and postmen.
To be fair, he has done for a season with Sheffield Wednesday.
yeah two years ago against Chelsea at villa park , he was motm
Then he got dropped wtf was that about?
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Because Bertrand at the time was a better player in that position although he too went downhill in that season run in.
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Unfortunately Aston Villa have come down to his level, rather than him now becoming a better player.
Will probably do well for us at Championship level.
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I believe Joe Bennett has got it, I always have, AND with the correct guidance, I believe he can be a top player.
weird thing is , my Boro mates said we had a great signing and he was one of their best players.
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I believe Joe Bennett has got it, I always have, AND with the correct guidance, I believe he can be a top player.
this time next year rodney
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Always thought he had the ability.
Yes, he did struggle in the PL, but, I felt he was hung out to dry many a time by other team members.
His last few games at the end of a season, a couple of years back I think, showed what he is capable of.
He and Matt Lowton were wonderful going forward and could certainly cross the ball. They would have worked really well in a 3-5-2 (ish) formation with them being wing backs rather than full backs.
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I think that Bennett with Amavi further forward would be excellent on the left side ...Bennett has ability and with help down the left side defending would be fine - we would then be a massive threat on the left and the quality of ball in from both with offer the strikers a real chance
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It’s a damning indictment of our recent management that four years after he signed we’re still debating whether or not Joe Bennett could make the grade at this club. He and others (not just members of the “young and hungry” experiment) have been dreadfully let down by the assortment of buffoons who should have been overseeing their development.
The young and hungry approach in itself is not a bad idea. In essence spotting and nurturing talent is fundamental to all sport; buying potential and working hard to realise it is a perfectly viable way for a club to achieve success without spending trillions on the finished article. The thing is that strategy’s only going to work if you have the coaching set-up to implement it; that’s people with proven experience at turning rough diamonds into something shiny and useful, as opposed to a bewildered chancer and his heavies.
We did the first bit quite well, we were undeniably skilled at buying on the cheap, but when our bargains arrived Lambert didn’t have the first idea of how to turn them into Premier League footballers. He did half a job, the easy half, and then made a complete pig’s ear of the most crucial bit. The less said about his successor the better, although I wouldn’t like to miss the opportunity to call him a vacuous loathsome gobshite.
And as I said, it’s not only the young and hungry players who’ve suffered. As well as discussing Bennett we’re debating Clark, Gardner, Westwood, Baker, all players who have been here years now and have at some point - however briefly - shown fleeting glimpses that they may not be Frank Spencer after all. That we still cannot be sure of their capabilities shows what a miserable waste of four years this has been for everyone. I desperately want Di Matteo to bring out the best in these players, not just to help us win promotion but to highlight what a colossal berk Paul Lambert is.
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You only have to look at Bertrand to see how badly players have been coached here.
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You only have to look at Bertrand to see how badly players have been coached here.
i caught up with a burnley mate on friday, said matt lowton was brilliant for them.
he also reckons sean dyche could get the best out of ashley westwood on a consistent basis.
as an aside, i remember a left wing back at spurs who was great going forward but was absolutely crucified in his first couple of seasons and written off... gareth someone?
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You only have to look at Bertrand to see how badly players have been coached here.
i caught up with a burnley mate on friday, said matt lowton was brilliant for them.
he also reckons sean dyche could get the best out of ashley westwood on a consistent basis.
as an aside, i remember a left wing back at spurs who was great going forward but was absolutely crucified in his first couple of seasons and written off... gareth someone?
TSM Nearly signed Bale on loan when at SHA
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Wasn't it just paper talk that they were interested in signing Bale for a few million as they spent all that Yeung money, and it was never more than that, rather than they nearly signed him?
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You only have to look at Bertrand to see how badly players have been coached here.
i caught up with a burnley mate on friday, said matt lowton was brilliant for them.
he also reckons sean dyche could get the best out of ashley westwood on a consistent basis.
as an aside, i remember a left wing back at spurs who was great going forward but was absolutely crucified in his first couple of seasons and written off... gareth someone?
I agree. Whilst you cannot polish a turd I think our approach to coaching has been woeful. The buy young and develop approach is not a bad policy for a club that cannot afford to buy the finished product but to adopt that strategy and have poor coaches, sometimes not even enough of them, is bonkers.
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Wasn't it just paper talk that they were interested in signing Bale for a few million as they spent all that Yeung money, and it was never more than that, rather than they nearly signed him?
Correct, but it's still astonishing what we know now that just a few years ago he was being linked at that level. An almos certain dead end to a career. Shows that things can change with the right opportunity, application, motivation and coaching. It's a million miles from where Bennett is or might be but he is still young enough to make something of his career.
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Probably going against the grain here, but a manu fan, who is a very good and respected friend of mine, commented a few years back after we played them,that he thought Lowton and Bennett were, in his opinion, very good players.
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An Albion mate of mine couldn't stop raving about Lowton after the 6-1 Sunderland game.
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The control, run and set up for Weimann's goal will still be my favourite goal from that night and one of the best of that season. Of course that's only if he hadn't done what he did at Stoke a couple of weeks prior.
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Lowton was too slow for this level really particularly when wingers got past him like Young for that Falcao though.
Always thought he had a football brain though, you could see he was decent in possession and had a good cross on him, just needed to work on his positioning.
Don't see that at all in Bennett, his one on one defending is a complete car crash.
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I firmly believe we let Lowton go too soon, I'd rather have him in the team than Hutton or Bacuna, I know he was defensively suspect but there isn't a single defender who played for Villa under Lambert for whom that isn't true. That suggests that the coaching was the big problem not the players. When you look at Lambert's other teams there is a definite pattern of a coach who can't organise a defence.
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I firmly believe we let Lowton go too soon, I'd rather have him in the team than Hutton or Bacuna, I know he was defensively suspect but there isn't a single defender who played for Villa under Lambert for whom that isn't true. That suggests that the coaching was the big problem not the players. When you look at Lambert's other teams there is a definite pattern of a coach who can't organise a defence.
It is hard to see who was genuinely poor and who was just caught up in the general malaise of the last few years, but I agree with the person who said he was just too slow. Also seemd to have a question mark or two over his attitude.
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A small part of me doesn't blame the players due to the nonsense going on all around them. I wouldn't want to work in a fucked up work environment either. That said the stuff about Lowton and his missus was beyond daft.
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Bennett may well not be good enough, but most of us are basing our opinions on the Bennett of 2 or 3 years ago that was young, playing in a struggling side and 'coached' by crap. How many players, especially younger ones, seemed to improve at all under Lambert and the coaches, or anyone since Houllier? After Delph and Benteke it's probably a very small list. We didn't just seem to slow their improvement, it came to a grinding halt almost immediately. I don't believe that just about every player we brought in over the last 5 years or so was shit and incapable of improving.
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Bennett may well not be good enough, but most of us are basing our opinions on the Bennett of 2 or 3 years ago that was young, playing in a struggling side and 'coached' by crap. How many players, especially younger ones, seemed to improve at all under Lambert and the coaches, or anyone since Houllier? After Delph and Benteke it's probably a very small list. We didn't just seem to slow their improvement, it came to a grinding halt almost immediately. I don't believe that just about every player we brought in over the last 5 years or so was shit and incapable of improving.
Look how crap we made Ryan Bertrand look and then how good he's looked since he left us.
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Bennett may well not be good enough, but most of us are basing our opinions on the Bennett of 2 or 3 years ago that was young, playing in a struggling side and 'coached' by crap. How many players, especially younger ones, seemed to improve at all under Lambert and the coaches, or anyone since Houllier? After Delph and Benteke it's probably a very small list. We didn't just seem to slow their improvement, it came to a grinding halt almost immediately. I don't believe that just about every player we brought in over the last 5 years or so was shit and incapable of improving.
Look how crap we made Ryan Bertrand look and then how good he's looked since he left us.
Yep, I think our 'curse' was particularly evident when it came to fullbacks who all came in, looked good for a few games and then started to get exposed, became a defensive liability and got replaced. It happened with Lowton, Bennett, Bertrand, Luna, Bacuna, Hutton, Amavi (to an extent) and Cissokho that's a trend and it suggests that no one at the club had any idea how to either train a full back or train a team to defend the wings.
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Bennett may well not be good enough, but most of us are basing our opinions on the Bennett of 2 or 3 years ago that was young, playing in a struggling side and 'coached' by crap. How many players, especially younger ones, seemed to improve at all under Lambert and the coaches, or anyone since Houllier? After Delph and Benteke it's probably a very small list. We didn't just seem to slow their improvement, it came to a grinding halt almost immediately. I don't believe that just about every player we brought in over the last 5 years or so was shit and incapable of improving.
Look how crap we made Ryan Bertrand look and then how good he's looked since he left us.
Yep, I think our 'curse' was particularly evident when it came to fullbacks who all came in, looked good for a few games and then started to get exposed, became a defensive liability and got replaced. It happened with Lowton, Bennett, Bertrand, Luna, Bacuna, Hutton, Amavi (to an extent) and Cissokho that's a trend and it suggests that no one at the club had any idea how to either train a full back or train a team to defend the wings.
Whether it be going forward or defending, I can't be the only one that's thought our fullbacks have been isolated and exposed for the majority of the last five years. I think it was beginning to take its toll on Amavi, that he was pretty much responsible for the entire length of the pitch on one side, hence the obligatory drop-off in form.
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Bennett may well not be good enough, but most of us are basing our opinions on the Bennett of 2 or 3 years ago that was young, playing in a struggling side and 'coached' by crap. How many players, especially younger ones, seemed to improve at all under Lambert and the coaches, or anyone since Houllier? After Delph and Benteke it's probably a very small list. We didn't just seem to slow their improvement, it came to a grinding halt almost immediately. I don't believe that just about every player we brought in over the last 5 years or so was shit and incapable of improving.
Look how crap we made Ryan Bertrand look and then how good he's looked since he left us.
Yep, I think our 'curse' was particularly evident when it came to fullbacks who all came in, looked good for a few games and then started to get exposed, became a defensive liability and got replaced. It happened with Lowton, Bennett, Bertrand, Luna, Bacuna, Hutton, Amavi (to an extent) and Cissokho that's a trend and it suggests that no one at the club had any idea how to either train a full back or train a team to defend the wings.
Whether it be going forward or defending, I can't be the only one that's thought our fullbacks have been isolated and exposed for the majority of the last five years. I think it was beginning to take its toll on Amavi, that he was pretty much responsible for the entire length of the pitch on one side, hence the obligatory drop-off in form.
that point was no where as loud and clear than the fa cup final, from minute 1, our full backs where exposed, grealish and the zog, never ever gave any cover and that in a big way , said fill your boots arsenal.
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Bennett may well not be good enough, but most of us are basing our opinions on the Bennett of 2 or 3 years ago that was young, playing in a struggling side and 'coached' by crap. How many players, especially younger ones, seemed to improve at all under Lambert and the coaches, or anyone since Houllier? After Delph and Benteke it's probably a very small list. We didn't just seem to slow their improvement, it came to a grinding halt almost immediately. I don't believe that just about every player we brought in over the last 5 years or so was shit and incapable of improving.
Look how crap we made Ryan Bertrand look and then how good he's looked since he left us.
Yep, I think our 'curse' was particularly evident when it came to fullbacks who all came in, looked good for a few games and then started to get exposed, became a defensive liability and got replaced. It happened with Lowton, Bennett, Bertrand, Luna, Bacuna, Hutton, Amavi (to an extent) and Cissokho that's a trend and it suggests that no one at the club had any idea how to either train a full back or train a team to defend the wings.
Whether it be going forward or defending, I can't be the only one that's thought our fullbacks have been isolated and exposed for the majority of the last five years. I think it was beginning to take its toll on Amavi, that he was pretty much responsible for the entire length of the pitch on one side, hence the obligatory drop-off in form.
Said as much earlier in thread.
Like paul e I felt we let Lowton go too soon.
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Bennett may well not be good enough, but most of us are basing our opinions on the Bennett of 2 or 3 years ago that was young, playing in a struggling side and 'coached' by crap. How many players, especially younger ones, seemed to improve at all under Lambert and the coaches, or anyone since Houllier? After Delph and Benteke it's probably a very small list. We didn't just seem to slow their improvement, it came to a grinding halt almost immediately. I don't believe that just about every player we brought in over the last 5 years or so was shit and incapable of improving.
Look how crap we made Ryan Bertrand look and then how good he's looked since he left us.
Yep, I think our 'curse' was particularly evident when it came to fullbacks who all came in, looked good for a few games and then started to get exposed, became a defensive liability and got replaced. It happened with Lowton, Bennett, Bertrand, Luna, Bacuna, Hutton, Amavi (to an extent) and Cissokho that's a trend and it suggests that no one at the club had any idea how to either train a full back or train a team to defend the wings.
Whether it be going forward or defending, I can't be the only one that's thought our fullbacks have been isolated and exposed for the majority of the last five years. I think it was beginning to take its toll on Amavi, that he was pretty much responsible for the entire length of the pitch on one side, hence the obligatory drop-off in form.
Yep that's exactly my point, it's like someone at the club read a newspaper article about fullbacks providing the width and they just went with it without working out what it really meant or how to implement it.
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Bennett may well not be good enough, but most of us are basing our opinions on the Bennett of 2 or 3 years ago that was young, playing in a struggling side and 'coached' by crap. How many players, especially younger ones, seemed to improve at all under Lambert and the coaches, or anyone since Houllier? After Delph and Benteke it's probably a very small list. We didn't just seem to slow their improvement, it came to a grinding halt almost immediately. I don't believe that just about every player we brought in over the last 5 years or so was shit and incapable of improving.
Look how crap we made Ryan Bertrand look and then how good he's looked since he left us.
Yep, I think our 'curse' was particularly evident when it came to fullbacks who all came in, looked good for a few games and then started to get exposed, became a defensive liability and got replaced. It happened with Lowton, Bennett, Bertrand, Luna, Bacuna, Hutton, Amavi (to an extent) and Cissokho that's a trend and it suggests that no one at the club had any idea how to either train a full back or train a team to defend the wings.
Whether it be going forward or defending, I can't be the only one that's thought our fullbacks have been isolated and exposed for the majority of the last five years. I think it was beginning to take its toll on Amavi, that he was pretty much responsible for the entire length of the pitch on one side, hence the obligatory drop-off in form.
Yep that's exactly my point, it's like someone at the club read a newspaper article about fullbacks providing the width and they just went with it without working out what it really meant or how to implement it.
Sorry, yeah, seeing how you'd said it moments before and all I did was effectively agree with you, I shouldn't really have said "I can't be the only one" when I evidently wasn't!
The hope of seeing the end to such, and watching eleven shirts collectively playing as one all over the pitch, is something that's heightening my eagerness to see what RDM can deliver. Just a shame it's in a lower division.
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If Steve Clarke can coach him the defensive side of his position, he could be a very good modern day left back.
I was thinking about this the other day- is Clarke the first member of our coaching staff since Mcleish who was actually a defender in their playing days...??
For what it's worth, I'm in the group who have always seen a player in Bennett. I'd like to see him playing wide-left with Amavi behind (and over-lapping) him. If it's true that RDM was interested in Robbie Brady then I wouldn't be surprised if he'll see something worth keeping Bennett around for.
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I believe Joe Bennett has got it, I always have, AND with the correct guidance, I believe he can be a top player.
weird thing is , my Boro mates said we had a great signing and he was one of their best players.
POTY for them in his last season
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If Steve Clarke can coach him the defensive side of his position, he could be a very good modern day left back.
I was thinking about this the other day- is Clarke the first member of our coaching staff since Mcleish who was actually a defender in their playing days...??
For what it's worth, I'm in the group who have always seen a player in Bennett. I'd like to see him playing wide-left with Amavi behind (and over-lapping) him. If it's true that RDM was interested in Robbie Brady then I wouldn't be surprised if he'll see something worth keeping Bennett around for.
Culverhouse was a centre half for Norwich.
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Bennett may well not be good enough, but most of us are basing our opinions on the Bennett of 2 or 3 years ago that was young, playing in a struggling side and 'coached' by crap. How many players, especially younger ones, seemed to improve at all under Lambert and the coaches, or anyone since Houllier? After Delph and Benteke it's probably a very small list. We didn't just seem to slow their improvement, it came to a grinding halt almost immediately. I don't believe that just about every player we brought in over the last 5 years or so was shit and incapable of improving.
The problem there is he's done next to nothing in his loan spells.
I just think he's one of the numerous young British footballers who played a few games in the championship and showed a bit of promise, got a massive money premier league deal (and also extension last summer) which has made him for life and is the motivation now there to improve?
Let's be clear aswell, this isn't some young player with flaws anymore, the guy is 26. I still had him down as 22/23.
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He had one game against Chelsea I think it was, he played a blinder, if he can keep that up then maybe
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Lowton is shite, Don't miss him at all, I could have skinned him for pace and i'm slow
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I agree with the general point about fullbacks being especially susceptible to the impact of weak players in other positions. If you look at the best ones in the land they all have weaknesses, and often on the defensive side of their game. But they will be helped by playing in a team with decent midfielders who provide cover to stop them getting isolated, good CBs that anticipate step in when required and a good keeper who organises the defence. It's fair to say all our fullbacks have been particularly badly served in all these areas.
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I agree with the general point about fullbacks being especially susceptible to the impact of weak players in other positions. If you look at the best ones in the land they all have weaknesses, and often on the defensive side of their game. But they will be helped by playing in a team with decent midfielders who provide cover to stop them getting isolated, good CBs that anticipate step in when required and a good keeper who organises the defence. It's fair to say all our fullbacks have been particularly badly served in all these areas.
If we have a decent anchorman (Tsihbola?) then we'd be better at utilising attacking fullbacks. Bennett isn't great defensively but I think he's good enough at Championship level. At Prem level he'll get murdered more often than he dominates, but we're not at that level now. He's more than good enough to be our second choice (hopefully behind Amavi...or if he goes, a new signing).
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Could we play jb midfield. Left midfield. Otherwise he's not up to much. He's just a poor younger version of Kieran Richardson but hopefully improves
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He reminds me a bit of Whittingham.
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He reminds me a bit of Whittingham.
I was thinking the exact same!!
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He reminds me a bit of Whittingham.
I was thinking the exact same!!
Who didn't have too bad a career in the Championship, did he?
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He reminds me a bit of Whittingham.
I was thinking the exact same!!
Who didn't have too bad a career in the Championship, did he?
Yeah if he can be as effective as Whittingham in this league then we're a good way along towards promotion.
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It's a good comparison with Peter Whittingham. Bennett certainly has a lovely left foot. Unfortunately my mind keeps returning to the undeniable fact that he is an absolutely terrible defender.
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Bennett far pacey than Whittington I guess comparison is they both look younger than they are. And there left foots are occasionally described as sweet. Amavi has to be first choice and if truth be told this wouldn't be up for discussion if he hadn't scored 2 free kicks in a friendly . Most would have said not interested as he shown little on loan. Let's at least be honest rather than fickle with assessments. Whittingham too is a proven championship player and did okay in prem . Bennett has proven little other than he has a left foot.
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He had one game against Chelsea I think it was, he played a blinder, if he can keep that up then maybe
Come on now Phil that's blind optimist he's not needed unless amavi going but we need to look other options feel the kid had his chance
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We need 2 players for each position and replacing him should be far down our list of priorities with all the other changes we've got to make. As such, he is needed - well he is if it's a choice between him and Cissoko.
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Bennett would be useful back-up for Amivi. Ok, we've still got Cissokho, but man he's wank.
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We need 2 players for each position and replacing him should be far down our list of priorities with all the other changes we've got to make. As such, he is needed - well he is if it's a choice between him and Cissoko.
With Amavi coming back from injury and Aly being...well... Aly, I see no problem with keeping all three
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We need 2 players for each position and replacing him should be far down our list of priorities with all the other changes we've got to make. As such, he is needed - well he is if it's a choice between him and Cissoko.
With Amavi coming back from injury and Aly being...well... Aly, I see no problem with keeping all three
I can't imagine that the wage-bill would allow for us keeping 3 senior left-backs. Especially as both Clark and Baker can play there in an emergency (and Lescott, although god-willing he'll be long gone by the time the season starts).
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We need 2 players for each position and replacing him should be far down our list of priorities with all the other changes we've got to make. As such, he is needed - well he is if it's a choice between him and Cissoko.
With Amavi coming back from injury and Aly being...well... Aly, I see no problem with keeping all three
I can't imagine that the wage-bill would allow for us keeping 3 senior left-backs. Especially as both Clark and Baker can play there in an emergency (and Lescott, although god-willing he'll be long gone by the time the season starts).
Kevin Toner can too.
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It really depends on a number of things. If we're going to see genuine wide midfielders then both Bennett and Amavi can cover the left sided role as well as full back so between those 3, Ayew and Grelaish we have all the options we need on the left side to pick and choose formations. That said I won't be sad if Cissokho leaves and I wouldn't bother replacing him if he does.
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Bennett would be useful back-up for Amivi. Ok, we've still got Cissokho, but man he's wank.
Cissokho's positioning is shocking - at fault for several goals last season; I'd offload, and I suspect he's saleable.
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Cissokho reminds me of a table-footballer. It's like he's only able to move in straight lines, can't communicate with any of his team-mates and and can only affect the game when the ball finds its way to him. He's so un-inventive (which I realise isn't a word) with the ball too- even for a defender.
It's players like him and Lescott that I wouldn't even be trying to get a fee for. The sooner they're away form the squad and off the wage-bill the better.
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If Amavi stays and Bennett is back up i have no great worries about it. Cissokho can leave for sure, as either Baker/Clark can cover LB if absolute needs must of course
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Cissokho reminds me of a table-footballer. It's like he's only able to move in straight lines, can't communicate with any of his team-mates and and can only affect the game when the ball finds its way to him. He's so un-inventive (which I realise isn't a word) with the ball too- even for a defender.
It's players like him and Lescott that I wouldn't even be trying to get a fee for. The sooner they're away form the squad and off the wage-bill the better.
The difference is you can't question Aly's effort/attitude. I know this should be a given but compared to Lescott, Cissokho is the model professional.
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Cissokho reminds me of a table-footballer. It's like he's only able to move in straight lines, can't communicate with any of his team-mates and and can only affect the game when the ball finds its way to him. He's so un-inventive (which I realise isn't a word) with the ball too- even for a defender.
It's players like him and Lescott that I wouldn't even be trying to get a fee for. The sooner they're away form the squad and off the wage-bill the better.
The difference is you can't question Aly's effort/attitude. I know this should be a given but compared to Lescott, Cissokho is the model professional.
True, although it's very difficult to judge Cissokho's attitude as his only facial expression seems to be 'nonplussed'.
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Bennett been told he can leave as Robbie and coaching staff don't rate him. Not sure why taken all summer but looks like he favors Cissokho's experience and presence/physically . The good thing is amavi will be back and that's a positive. I have to say Bennett pretty weak player and that he's not up to the level required for where villa want to be. Good luck to him but I don't rate him as he's never develop into anything and lacks any defensive capabilities or even a presence on pitch.
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My memories of Bennett aren't particularly positive but fuck me, he can surely not be worse than Cissokho?
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I think it's hes no better than him. Ideally have cissoko out and someone like Galloway from everton on loan .
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I'm hoping we get a new fullback to replace the both of them. Can't remember a time where we've had fullbacks as bad as this bunch of no hopers.
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Think Cissokho is just being used as an experienced holding player while Amavi gets fit. We know Cissokho is useless going forward but at this level he's a solid defender, can't remember many attacks Wednesday had down his side.
If Amavi can get through Luton o.k he can manage 60 mins on Saturday I reckon.
Not often I agree with Saunders-Heroes on players but he's bang on, Bennett is awful. Never rated him from early games so let him go.
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I'm hoping we get a new fullback to replace the both of them. Can't remember a time where we've had fullbacks as bad as this bunch of no hopers.
This . And also someone to compete hutton
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Bennet is one of those nothing players so emblematic of our decline. Bennett, Lowton, Westwood, Bowery. Characterless dross. A whole lot of nothing.
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My memories of Bennett aren't particularly positive but fuck me, he can surely not be worse than Cissokho?
This. If Cissokho is the answer then I am a little mystified. Amavi will hopefully correct this problem position in due course though. Hopefully!!
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Bennet is one of those nothing players so emblematic of our decline. Bennett, Lowton, Westwood, Bowery. Characterless dross. A whole lot of nothing.
In the case of Lowton, at least we'll always have this
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Bennet is one of those nothing players so emblematic of our decline. Bennett, Lowton, Westwood, Bowery. Characterless dross. A whole lot of nothing.
Absolutely spot on. It was soul destroying watching the club continually signing crap like that under the "young and hungry" tag line. Hopefully this is the start of our rebirth under Xia.
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If Bennett is emblematic of our decline then what is Cissokho ?
He's completely useless. Amavi needs to get fit and quick.
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Lowton was a good reader of the game and could cross, just had no pace.
Did well enough for Burnley at this level last season, Bennett can't even get in championship teams now so there is a difference.
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Certainly if we're expecting to attack from left back, Cissoko is about as much use as a cock flavoured lollipop. Amavi hopefully will solve this problem though, but with his potentially slow recovery from injury I think we might need a new left back in. I might even consider a seasons loan for someone a good idea in this situation.
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Having a medical at Sheff Wed - no fee mentioned
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Having a medical at Sheff Wed - no fee mentioned
If we get a fee then even better, but quite happy to see another non contributor removed from the squad to free up a place for a new recruit. We seem to operating on a 3 shit players out, 2 better ones in basis.
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Our full back situation is quite piss poor really. There's Hutton, wholehearted though he is, full of quality he isn't. Then there's Cissokho whose attempts to control a ball would make me laugh if he played for another team. Our hopes are pinned on Amavi, a kid who looks to be the real deal but who is coming back from a shocker of an injury.
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I didn't think Weds full backs were any better, I've never really liked Cissokho but he'll be out soon and Hutton will be fine, especially when we get a player in the team who can cross the ball.
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Wish the boy well, I had more time for him than a lot of our current squad.
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My memories of Bennett aren't particularly positive but fuck me, he can surely not be worse than Cissokho?
That looks to me like one of the few challenges Joe is up to meeting.
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Lowton was a good reader of the game and could cross, just had no pace.
Did well enough for Burnley at this level last season, Bennett can't even get in championship teams now so there is a difference.
I said on Sunday, if we still had Lowton we'd probably get a lot more out of Gestede.
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Lowton was a good reader of the game and could cross, just had no pace.
Did well enough for Burnley at this level last season, Bennett can't even get in championship teams now so there is a difference.
I said on Sunday, if we still had Lowton we'd probably get a lot more out of Gestede.
Or if we still had Albrighton or Whittingham (Peter, not Guy) even.
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Bacuna can play RB, LB, RM, LM, CM, DM, AM, GK and DC
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If you expect your full backs to be the chief offensive providers in your team as we have for the last 3/4 years then only Amavi of the current bunch is good enough. If you want your full backs to actually defend and let attacking players be the creative provider then Cissohko is probably the only one who is good enough. Hutton & Bennett don't make it in either category.
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If you expect your full backs to be the chief offensive providers in your team as we have for the last 3/4 years then only Amavi of the current bunch is good enough. If you want your full backs to actually defend and let attacking players be the creative provider then Cissohko is probably the only one who is good enough. Hutton & Bennett don't make it in either category.
That might be because they're usually in no man's land and in position to do either.
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Still can't beleive he hardly gave hazard a kick in that 1-0 win with Delphs winner against Chelsea a few seasons back then just faded away
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Disappointing to see Bennett go ..... don't think every really had the opportunity ...he should have played Sunday !
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People talk about our FB being out of position and - indeed - Hutton and Cissokho are particularly crap in that respect (the latter being the worst bar none). However, one slight mitigation is that none of our FB in recent seasons has had great cover from midfield. Good central midfielders are able to cover for a rampaging FB: Delph did it reasonably, as did the young Aussie whose name escapes me. In general though our FB have been poorly served by successive managers.
I want Cissokho gone. And then, cover for Hutton.
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This is about the only thing I remember about him.
http://footballburp.com/jokes/the-best-askbennett-questions-for-joe-bennett-from-aston-villa-fans/
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This is about the only thing I remember about him.
http://footballburp.com/jokes/the-best-askbennett-questions-for-joe-bennett-from-aston-villa-fans/
How bizarre. One of the posters/hecklers is Dr Tony.
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He had a sweet left foot but was one of the worst defenders ever to pull on a Villa shirt in my lifetime. Goodbye Joe, and good luck.
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Good luck to him. Out of his depth in the Prem. He'll be fine at this level. He'll do well for Wednesday.
Meanwhile we're lumbered with Cissokho who can't tackle, can't position himself correctly, can't run without looking like a lame insect that's been half fucked by a rolled up radio times, can't pass, can't cross. All he can do is look as dumb as a bag of spanners and run (in his own inimitable way) for 90 minutes. Awful player.
For me we need to sign a new left back who can cover Amavi.
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If you expect your full backs to be the chief offensive providers in your team as we have for the last 3/4 years then only Amavi of the current bunch is good enough. If you want your full backs to actually defend and let attacking players be the creative provider then Cissohko is probably the only one who is good enough. Hutton & Bennett don't make it in either category.
Cissohko is an appalling defender though, he cant do anything
Re Bennett, remember he was a plan B option when Ipswich quoted us a few quid too much for Cresswell :-[
never remotely looked physically able for the top division and didnt appear to impress on his loan spells either
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Has he gone? If so wish him the best of and he was a very lucky boy to wear the Villa shirt and play at Villa park.
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Never bitched, made it plain it was a dream come true to play for a club like us but ultimately wasn't good enough which isn't his fault. All the best Joe, we'll always have Notts County.
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How much did we get?
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Another very poor player that should never have played at the top level. I've never seen a player bullied out of a game is the same manner he was against Bradford in the LC semi. I doubt he'll play much for Wednesday either.
To his credit he never moaned or sent tweets from his pocket.
Forgotten already.
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How much did we get?
The report I read had him going on a free and taking a pay cut. Can't fault his attitude, he just wants to play.
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How much did we get?
The report I read had him going on a free and taking a pay cut. Can't fault his attitude, he just wants to play.
Gabby is much the same.
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He didn't bring us much on the way in. We're not losing much on the way out.
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Good luck and all the best Joe.
Unfortunately it didn't work out but can only be because the managers didn't think he was good enough. Cant fault his attitude and it's bewildering that "players" like Cissokho somehow managed to get ahead of him in the pecking order. Another one off the payroll at no detriment to the team so can't fault this decision to move him on to be fair.
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This is about the only thing I remember about him.
http://footballburp.com/jokes/the-best-askbennett-questions-for-joe-bennett-from-aston-villa-fans/
How bizarre. One of the posters/hecklers is Dr Tony.
Being a Twitter luddite, I thought the same but it's just some Villa fan from NYC using his picture as an avatar.
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So Joe Bennet no longer going to Wednesday - Dr X blocks the move at the 11th hour according to the daily mail....
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Great...
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So Joe Bennet no longer going to Wednesday - Dr X blocks the move at the 11th hour according to the daily mail....
Good. Offers much more to the squad than Cissokho does, IMO.
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To me this is good news ....... I would play Bennett at full back with Amarvi infant for him once he is fully unto speed with his fitness .....
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So we're keeping Joe Bennett, who's not good enough to displace Cissokho. Get fucking rid and spend some money, Xia
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So Joe Bennet no longer going to Wednesday - Dr X blocks the move at the 11th hour according to the daily mail....
Good. Offers much more to the squad than Cissokho does, IMO.
In tTo me this is good news ....... I would play Bennett at full back with Amarvi infant for him once he is fully unto speed with his fitness .....
Goodluck with the defending on that side of the pitch.
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Agree, let him go and play elsewhere. We need far better.
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So Joe Bennet no longer going to Wednesday - Dr X blocks the move at the 11th hour according to the daily mail....
Good. Offers much more to the squad than Cissokho does, IMO.
In tTo me this is good news ....... I would play Bennett at full back with Amarvi infant for him once he is fully unto speed with his fitness .....
Goodluck with the defending on that side of the pitch.
The defending would be better than current ........... part of reason Ally is so poor is that nobody backs him up ........... same problem with Hutton who has the support of Bacuna (although did think he played well at weekend)
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Cissokho is terrible but at least he's not like putting an 8yr old at fullback who gets brushed aside. To be fair to Bennett he can cross a ball, so can Amavi, neither look like they can defend though, which is the basis of being a leftback unless you are insane going forward and have a strong, hardworker in front of you willing to do the donkey work and keep tracking back.
We don't, the full back situation looks a mess to me.
Hutton, Richards, Bennett, Cissokho, Amavi. Dear me.
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If keeping Bennett is the answer, I dread to think what the question is.
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it's is he as shite as the other defenders? Yes...but no...yes..but no etc
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So I take it the Doctor has overruled RDM ?
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We already sold Clark to Newcastle can't help thinking xia saying Bennett should stay after him seeing the other 2 left backs perform
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Bennett is of no use unless we are planning to use him in a swap deal for someone later on. He is absolute epitome of 'surplus to requirements'. Er, a little like Aly Cissokho.
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If xia has over ruled do matteo that's a pretty worrying sign
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If xia has over ruled do matteo that's a pretty worrying sign
i just thought exactly the same, personal terms agreed, medical done then the owner overules the manager. this isnt going to end well.
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If true, I can't see the player being motivated by a manager who was happy to see him go.
This could end badly
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We've finally got our own Freddie Shepherd!
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If true, that is the first nail.
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Some asked our Tone about it and if there was any friction.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 3h
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted The AVFC Faithful
No. I and RDM and others have been working together very well. We communicate well. Don't be fooled by agents&others
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Quelle surprise! The cracks are appearing.
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Is it possible that after watching the two LB's performances in the first two games, RDM just thought Joe had better not go anywhere?
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Few minutes ago:
Dr. Tony XiaVerified account
@Dr_TonyXia
Don't make story with me&RDM. RDM chose the team&board made decisions not giving out for free especially to a rival! No more silly deals !
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Does that mean Bobby was overruled then?
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Xia might as well pick the team...
;)
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Amidst the mountains being made out of molehills this is absolutely no different to a board refusing to pay over the odds for a player.
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Until we've signed another left back, Bennett deserves a chance. He had a good pre-season. Cissokho is a shambles. Bennett > Cissokho.
You have two choices:
Cissokho- Crap at defending, crap on the ball, crap going forward.
Bennett- Crap at defending, okay on the ball, okay going forward.
No brainer.
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That Aston Villa Faithful account is a real crock of shit, another who uses whatever crap they read in the tabloids as an 'ITK'.
Might give the 'Dr' until a week after the transfer window closes before he has Twitter taken off him.
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Welcome Joe.
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Can we safely assume one J.Bennett is the first name on the team sheet against Rotherham?
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Amidst the mountains being made out of molehills this is absolutely no different to a board refusing to pay over the odds for a player.
Unless of course the good Dr has said he must play him?
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Amidst the mountains being made out of molehills this is absolutely no different to a board refusing to pay over the odds for a player.
Unless of course the good Dr has said he must play him?
Of which there's no indication, anywhere.
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Are we wanting Wednesday to cough up a fee for him ?
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Are we wanting Wednesday to cough up a fee for him ?
I think so according to Tones latest tweet
I just want to protect a club,no more stealing from the club, which we should done long time ago! Time tells what loyalty means to someone.
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Are we wanting Wednesday to cough up a fee for him ?
To be fair, there are a few other players ahead of Bennett who I'd be giving away for nothing. Cissokho, Hutton and Baker for starters.
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Welcome Joe.
Maybe we could do a Q&A to get to know him better?!
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Until we've signed another left back, Bennett deserves a chance. He had a good pre-season. Cissokho is a shambles. Bennett > Cissokho.
You have two choices:
Cissokho- Crap at defending, crap on the ball, crap going forward.
Bennett- Crap at defending, okay on the ball, okay going forward.
No brainer.
as you say SuperTom, a no brainer, But I actually think there's a very decent footballer in Joe Bennett.
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Are we wanting Wednesday to cough up a fee for him ?
I think so according to Tones latest tweet
I just want to protect a club,no more stealing from the club, which we should done long time ago! Time tells what loyalty means to someone.
I don't think he's talking about Bennett here. He could well be talking about those who are stealing a living.
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I think maybe last night RDM came to realise that our full backs were just not up to it; although I think Amavi will come good. It would suggest to me that there is no full back in the offing and that Bennett should be retained as he's the better option.
I hope I'm wrong and that there is a full back on the way with Bennett being back up and all the others to be off-loaded one way or another.
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Amidst the mountains being made out of molehills this is absolutely no different to a board refusing to pay over the odds for a player.
Unless of course the good Dr has said he must play him?
Of which there's no indication, anywhere.
Admit that wasn't properly worded, but has he not overruled the manager on who he can and cant have in his squad?
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Perhaps Cissokho is on his way. There was talk of this earlier in the summer.
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Are we wanting Wednesday to cough up a fee for him ?
To be fair, there are a few other players ahead of Bennett who I'd be giving away for nothing. Cissokho, Hutton and Baker for starters.
Unless the wage bill is going to be a problem I'd probably keep him for now.
End of the day if they really rate him they'll buy him.
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Until we've signed another left back, Bennett deserves a chance. He had a good pre-season. Cissokho is a shambles. Bennett > Cissokho.
You have two choices:
Cissokho- Crap at defending, crap on the ball, crap going forward.
Bennett- Crap at defending, okay on the ball, okay going forward.
No brainer.
as you say SuperTom, a no brainer, But I actually think there's a very decent footballer in Joe Bennett.
so well hidden he is the undisputed hide and seek champion of the world
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Amidst the mountains being made out of molehills this is absolutely no different to a board refusing to pay over the odds for a player.
Unless of course the good Dr has said he must play him?
Of which there's no indication, anywhere.
Admit that wasn't properly worded, but has he not overruled the manager on who he can and cant have in his squad?
No.
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I'd say not too. He has said that the player will not be offloaded for free and not to a club he sees as a direct competitor. Just good business sense really. I can't imagine him sanctioning every incoming deal the manager throws at him either, if he thinks it's bad business. I would imagine this is the same at every club, you probably just don't very often hear about it.
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someone needs to have a word with the evil then:
"But Xia put a block on the move because he was concerned about losing a player to a potential Championship promotion rival"
after rdm said okay
after the medical
after the player had agreed terms
good business sense or not it doesnt sound like they spoke about it beforehand
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Amidst the mountains being made out of molehills this is absolutely no different to a board refusing to pay over the odds for a player.
Unless of course the good Dr has said he must play him?
Of which there's no indication, anywhere.
Admit that wasn't properly worded, but has he not overruled the manager on who he can and cant have in his squad?
No.
The press seemed to think so, and I'm not ITK, so what happened? Honest question, non-confrontational but how do you know?
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Amidst the mountains being made out of molehills this is absolutely no different to a board refusing to pay over the odds for a player.
Unless of course the good Dr has said he must play him?
Of which there's no indication, anywhere.
Admit that wasn't properly worded, but has he not overruled the manager on who he can and cant have in his squad?
No.
The press seemed to think so, and I'm not ITK, so what happened? Honest question, non-confrontational but how do you know?
I don't know any more than you do but it seems that Bennett's not being given away. If Wednesday offer real money for him, that's another matter.
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Amidst the mountains being made out of molehills this is absolutely no different to a board refusing to pay over the odds for a player.
Unless of course the good Dr has said he must play him?
Of which there's no indication, anywhere.
Admit that wasn't properly worded, but has he not overruled the manager on who he can and cant have in his squad?
No.
The press seemed to think so, and I'm not ITK, so what happened? Honest question, non-confrontational but how do you know?
I don't know any more than you do but it seems that Bennett's not being given away. If Wednesday offer real money for him, that's another matter.
If our manager wants rid, but our new owner doesn't, then what?
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If our manager wants rid, but our new owner doesn't, then what?
No idea, but it's all speculation.
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If our manager wants rid, but our new owner doesn't, then what?
No idea, but it's all speculation.
Fair comment, JB isn't really worth bothering about imo , but when the good Dr is twattering exactly that, you have to wonder.
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It's not really about wanting rid or not though is it, it's about Xia thinking that we'd be giving SW an upgrade for free and not liking the idea.
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It's not really about wanting rid or not though is it, it's about Xia thinking that we'd be giving SW an upgrade for free and not liking the idea.
I would agree with you if I thought Bennett would be an upgrade for them. How much did they offer?
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It may well be that they've decided to sell one of the other two, who knows?
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It may well be that they've decided to sell one of the other two, who knows?
The way tiny penis works, knowing that Albion want a left back, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that they want Cissokho.
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It may well be that they've decided to sell one of the other two, who knows?
Undermining the manager is not the way forward, surely to fk?
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It may well be that they've decided to sell one of the other two, who knows?
Undermining the manager is not the way forward, surely to fk?
Give it a rest.
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It may well be that they've decided to sell one of the other two, who knows?
Undermining the manager is not the way forward, surely to fk?
You're looking for something that might not be there, I've no idea why.
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It may well be that they've decided to sell one of the other two, who knows?
Undermining the manager is not the way forward, surely to fk?
Give it a rest.
Apologies but there is a definite stink about this.
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It may well be that they've decided to sell one of the other two, who knows?
Undermining the manager is not the way forward, surely to fk?
Give it a rest.
Apologies but there is a definite stink about this.
You almost seem like you want there to be.
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It may well be that they've decided to sell one of the other two, who knows?
Undermining the manager is not the way forward, surely to fk?
Give it a rest.
Apologies but there is a definite stink about this.
You almost seem like you want there to be.
Would I be bothered if JB left, no, but its a bit like hanging out your washing.
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It's only speculation that the chairman stopped the deal and i'm not sure why he would. You may well be right, but like I said it's only speculation and so far unfounded at that.
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Joe Bennett (@JoeBennett27)
11/08/2016, 17:02
Been a hectic few days. Won't be moving though. #whatwillbewillbe
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It may well be that they've decided to sell one of the other two, who knows?
The way tiny penis works, knowing that Albion want a left back, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that they want Cissokho.
Fuck me I would carry him on my back and wrap him in paper with a ribbon if that was the case
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Joe Bennett (@JoeBennett27)
11/08/2016, 17:02
Been a hectic few days. Won't be moving though. #whatwillbewillbe
No Mate
Getting up at 5am to start one of 3 jobs for the day then ensuring kids are fed / at school in between said jobs - that's a hectic day
Not hanging around whilst your agent tries to screw another £000's per week for doing sod all
Modern wanker footballers - get a reality check
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It's all relative, can't see anything in his tweet to get worked up about.
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It's all relative, can't see anything in his tweet to get worked up about.
Same here. Even wealthy people are allowed to complain about being busy.
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It wouldn't surprise me to see him at left back tomorrow.
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It's all relative, can't see anything in his tweet to get worked up about.
Agree completely.
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Cardiff on a free
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Glad he's finally gone. A truly awful player.
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Goes with my best wishes, wasn't good enough but that's not his fault. Seemed proud to be a Villa player, never kicked up a stink and rather than sit around picking up his wages went out on loan to try and play football.
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Good luck to JB at Cardiff ........ I still think he was a worthwhile asset and I believe would have been excellent back up to Amavi
Last "real" game I saw him play was against Chelsea and he was first class ........ I believe he has ability and needs better coaching
But one thing he has not done at all is moan at all and he uses social media on a regular basis ...others could learn from him
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Watch him do a Peter Whittingham.
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Good luck to him.
Thought he looked pretty good pre-season, but there you go...
Agree with you L_V...with proper coaching in a decent side he'd have been ok.
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Good luck to JB at Cardiff ........ I still think he was a worthwhile asset and I believe would have been excellent back up to Amavi
Last "real" game I saw him play was against Chelsea and he was first class ........ I believe he has ability and needs better coaching
But one thing he has not done at all is moan at all and he uses social media on a regular basis ...others could learn from him
agreed....good luck JB but not against the Villa you understand :)
UTV
The Doc
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Shame we are not getting any money for him, but another one off the wage bill. Good luck Joe, I wish you all the best.
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Watch him do a Peter Whittingham.
or stay as Joe Bennett
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Sad to see this lad go, definitely worth persevering with, I wish him every success at his new club. Good luck Joe.
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Beat of luck, Joe. Thanks for the
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Good luck to the lad. I wish him well.
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Sad to see this lad go, definitely worth persevering with, I wish him every success at his new club. Good luck Joe.
I'd agree if he was 20. I think he's not going to get in the side so there's no real point in keeping him on. Never a bad egg I assume.
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Good luck Joe. Conducted yourself with dignity.
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Can you get anymore disrespectful tweeting about a players career like somebody has the last week
Just tweeted by Bennentt
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Millionaire footballer not happy that the man paying him shit loads was honest with fans about the clubs stance and would not subsidise him playing elsewhere.
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Millionaire footballer not happy that the man paying him shit loads was honest with fans about the clubs stance and would not subsidise him playing elsewhere.
Pretty much , think to many of them been used to Lerners soft tough approach , seems them days are over.
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Not sure what has been so disrespectful other than making it clear the club won't be dicked about.
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Why should we pay a rival team some of a players wage to help them achieve promotion ahead of ourselves? If Sheff Wed wanted him that much why did they not match his wage like Cardiff have?
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Don't think Tony should have responded though!
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I haven't really followed this. So basically Bennett was off to Wednesday on loan with us subsidising his wages, which was his preference. Now he's grudgingly off to Cardiff on a free, on a lower wage, because they ponied up for a proper deal when Wednesday wouldn't. Is that basically it?
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I'd imagine Bennett is annoyed about this tweet from Tony, and I don't blame him, he's hardly chosen to sit around doing nothing while pulling in massive wages like certain players we could mention.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia Aug 25
If a man's career is built by destroying the club's worth,yes ! I will be very selfish to stand on the club side!
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I can understand it.
But I ultimately have no sympathy. It's the only profession where you're rewarded for failure.
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As for the Sheff Weds thing, it's strange. We must have known what the offer was and agreed to it before he went up there for a medical, so it's hardly Bennett's fault we changed our mind.
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I'd imagine Bennett is annoyed about this tweet from Tony, and I don't blame him, he's hardly chosen to sit around doing nothing while pulling in massive wages like certain players we could mention.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia Aug 25
If a man's career is built by destroying the club's worth,yes ! I will be very selfish to stand on the club side!
Another reason why Tony needs to get off Twitter and act with a bit of professionalism ASAP.
It's all very well this "I don't care, he's a breath of fresh air" stuff but it'll all go hugely tits up the first time he finds himself disagreeing with more people.
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I can understand it.
But I ultimately have no sympathy. It's the only profession where you're rewarded for failure.
I've said before that the one thing I don't like is Tony saying things like that. You could just about understand him doing it about someone like Zog who was happy to sit around picking up millions every year doing nothing but I don't see why Bennett is deserving of it.
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I'd imagine Bennett is annoyed about this tweet from Tony, and I don't blame him, he's hardly chosen to sit around doing nothing while pulling in massive wages like certain players we could mention.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia Aug 25
If a man's career is built by destroying the club's worth,yes ! I will be very selfish to stand on the club side!
Another reason why Tony needs to get off Twitter and act with a bit of professionalism ASAP.
It's all very well this "I don't care, he's a breath of fresh air" stuff but it'll all go hugely tits up the first time he finds himself disagreeing with more people.
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I'd imagine Bennett is annoyed about this tweet from Tony, and I don't blame him, he's hardly chosen to sit around doing nothing while pulling in massive wages like certain players we could mention.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia Aug 25
If a man's career is built by destroying the club's worth,yes ! I will be very selfish to stand on the club side!
Another reason why Tony needs to get off Twitter and act with a bit of professionalism ASAP.
It's all very well this "I don't care, he's a breath of fresh air" stuff but it'll all go hugely tits up the first time he finds himself disagreeing with more people.
I would say he needs to be a lot more measured in how he conducts himself in certain situations. But I think he's done more good than bad by being on there be honest. What he needs to avoid, and this is a lesson for all of us and not just him, is not Tweet/email when he's fucked off, which I can only imagine he's been several times since buying the club. I can only imagine the horror show and skeletons he's discovered.
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I'd imagine Bennett is annoyed about this tweet from Tony, and I don't blame him, he's hardly chosen to sit around doing nothing while pulling in massive wages like certain players we could mention.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia Aug 25
If a man's career is built by destroying the club's worth,yes ! I will be very selfish to stand on the club side!
Another reason why Tony needs to get off Twitter and act with a bit of professionalism ASAP.
It's all very well this "I don't care, he's a breath of fresh air" stuff but it'll all go hugely tits up the first time he finds himself disagreeing with more people.
I would say he needs to be a lot more measured in how he conducts himself in certain situations. But I think he's done more good than bad by being on there be honest. What he needs to avoid, and this is a lesson for all of us and not just him, is not Tweet/email when he's fucked off, which I can only imagine he's been several times since buying the club. I can only imagine the horror show and skeletons he's discovered.
I'd rather he spoke to the social media people at the club.
Yes, it's nice hearing from the man at the top after Randy's bizarre "nothing or indecipherable mumblings every two years or so" routine, but really, some of the stuff he's tweeted about is deeply unprofessional.
He shouldn't be tweeting about players or transfers, that stuff should be kept in house, there's nothing to be gained from it. People are already kicking off at him and we're three weeks into the season.
The very first time stuff starts to go badly, you just know exactly what will happen. Which is exactly what happened on here with General Krulak, except this'll be to the whole world.
It will end in tears. Quickly.
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I would have echoed the earlier comments about Bennett's professionalism but not after that comment. I wouldn't be too happy if I were a Cardiff fan seeing that either.
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The owner was acting in the clubs interests when stopping the transfer to Sheff Wednesday. Why should we be paying a players wages to a club who could go up ahead of us? If Sheffield Wednesday wanted him that much, why did they not pay his wage like Cardiff have done. As for the owner on twitter, he does have to show control but I appreciate his enthusiasm, but tempered with the fact Lerner showed it initially in a far quieter manner
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Apparently Bennett apologized to The Doc, apparently his tweet was aimed at fans not our owner
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Apparently Bennett apologized to The Doc, apparently his tweet was aimed at fans not our owner
Surely that is tosh?
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Apparently Bennett apologized to The Doc, apparently his tweet was aimed at fans not our owner
Surely that is tosh?
Dr. Tony Xia Verified account @Dr_TonyXia 3h3 hours ago
Joe just sent a message explaining and apologizing that he meant to some fans annoyed him not me&club. Let's move on and best wishes to him!
74 retweets 248 likes
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I'd imagine Bennett is annoyed about this tweet from Tony, and I don't blame him, he's hardly chosen to sit around doing nothing while pulling in massive wages like certain players we could mention.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia Aug 25
If a man's career is built by destroying the club's worth,yes ! I will be very selfish to stand on the club side!
Another reason why Tony needs to get off Twitter and act with a bit of professionalism ASAP.
It's all very well this "I don't care, he's a breath of fresh air" stuff but it'll all go hugely tits up the first time he finds himself disagreeing with more people.
I would say he needs to be a lot more measured in how he conducts himself in certain situations. But I think he's done more good than bad by being on there be honest. What he needs to avoid, and this is a lesson for all of us and not just him, is not Tweet/email when he's fucked off, which I can only imagine he's been several times since buying the club. I can only imagine the horror show and skeletons he's discovered.
I'd rather he spoke to the social media people at the club.
Yes, it's nice hearing from the man at the top after Randy's bizarre "nothing or indecipherable mumblings every two years or so" routine, but really, some of the stuff he's tweeted about is deeply unprofessional.
He shouldn't be tweeting about players or transfers, that stuff should be kept in house, there's nothing to be gained from it. People are already kicking off at him and we're three weeks into the season.
The very first time stuff starts to go badly, you just know exactly what will happen. Which is exactly what happened on here with General Krulak, except this'll be to the whole world.
It will end in tears. Quickly.
this
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"It will all end in tears" should be our new moto.
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"It will all end in tears" should be our new moto.
Surely there should be "again" at the end?
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"It will all end in tears" should be our new moto.
Surely there should be "again" at the end?
Shortened to:"we go again"
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Edit: wrong topic.
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we are prepared for it to end in tears and then we will go again
not sure how big the badge would have to be though
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In Latin it translates to "Et omnes in lacrimis" which would look very classy on a scroll beneath our mutant lion.
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I'd imagine Bennett is annoyed about this tweet from Tony, and I don't blame him, he's hardly chosen to sit around doing nothing while pulling in massive wages like certain players we could mention.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia Aug 25
If a man's career is built by destroying the club's worth,yes ! I will be very selfish to stand on the club side!
Another reason why Tony needs to get off Twitter and act with a bit of professionalism ASAP.
It's all very well this "I don't care, he's a breath of fresh air" stuff but it'll all go hugely tits up the first time he finds himself disagreeing with more people.
I would say he needs to be a lot more measured in how he conducts himself in certain situations. But I think he's done more good than bad by being on there be honest. What he needs to avoid, and this is a lesson for all of us and not just him, is not Tweet/email when he's fucked off, which I can only imagine he's been several times since buying the club. I can only imagine the horror show and skeletons he's discovered.
I'd rather he spoke to the social media people at the club.
Yes, it's nice hearing from the man at the top after Randy's bizarre "nothing or indecipherable mumblings every two years or so" routine, but really, some of the stuff he's tweeted about is deeply unprofessional.
He shouldn't be tweeting about players or transfers, that stuff should be kept in house, there's nothing to be gained from it. People are already kicking off at him and we're three weeks into the season.
The very first time stuff starts to go badly, you just know exactly what will happen. Which is exactly what happened on here with General Krulak, except this'll be to the whole world.
It will end in tears. Quickly.
this
Can I ask? What was your opinion on Lerners approach?
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In Latin it translates to "Et omnes in lacrimis" which would look very classy on a scroll beneath our mutant lion.
I'm afraid my sig "per aspera ad undas" is quite fitting for Villa over the past few years. Perhaps I should change it.
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I'll probably get slaughtered for this, but I don't see how he was any worse than any of the other left/ full backs at the club in recent times and certainly showed a better attitude than some. Granted, he probably wasn't the best defensively and was certainly no Alan Wright, but he was certainly no worse than Amavi. He has a sweet left foot , reasonable pace and can cross a ball. In view of our lack of width, I would have kept him as a squad player and tried him out wide left m/f.
Anyway , he's gone now and good luck to the lad.
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At Villa - the best players are those who have been sold.