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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Quiet Lion on July 05, 2016, 08:39:16 AM
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Looks like we have a new Head of Performance Analysis and Technical Recruitment. Joins from Southampton and is very well regarded by all accounts.
Lucky for him he couldn't possibly be any worse than his predecessor.
Good Luck
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Worked with RDM at Mk Dons ,so no great surprise really
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Sounds good.
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Im sure I heard something about him being involved in the Elphick deal
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Im sure I heard something about him being involved in the Elphick deal
He did congratulate him on twitter when the deal went through.
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So has his predecessor officially gone now?
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I don't get this angst towards Reilly
Nearly all of the new recruits last year
Ayew
Amavi
Gana
Vertout
Gestede
Most are hopeful they stay
The likes of Richards and Lescott I assume were not scouted as such as they were clearly Sherwoods influence
So what did he actually do to justify the shit?
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It's the name of an old mate of mine, a 42 year old man heroically devoted to not growing up.
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I don't get this angst towards Reilly
Nearly all of the new recruits last year
Ayew
Amavi
Gana
Vertout
Gestede
Most are hopeful they stay
The likes of Richards and Lescott I assume were not scouted as such as they were clearly Sherwoods influence
So what did he actually do to justify the shit?
A lightening rod for frustration. Especially when all you need to take the piss is say FIFA 16 / PS4 / XBOX because the player databases are drawn from the same data sources as the professional databases.
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I don't get this angst towards Reilly
Nearly all of the new recruits last year
Ayew
Amavi
Gana
Vertout
Gestede
Most are hopeful they stay
The likes of Richards and Lescott I assume were not scouted as such as they were clearly Sherwoods influence
So what did he actually do to justify the shit?
To play devil's advocate, the wrong players were brought in for the manager that we had at the time. Several of the players we bought were and clearly still are good players, as you rightly say.
If the plan was to aim for a multi-national, multi-cultural squad based on promise and development then they needed a manager who has shown that he has the skillset to deal with that.
If we had a manager who has proven himself relatively competent at yelling about wearing his heart on his sleeve, then the head of recruitment should have been buying players that would fit that style of management.
It's like giving somebody who can make a perfectly great jacket potato but can't cook much else the ingredients to make a baked Alaska - and then being surprised when you end up with an oven filled with melted ice cream.
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I don't get this angst towards Reilly
Nearly all of the new recruits last year
Ayew
Amavi
Gana
Vertout
Gestede
Most are hopeful they stay
The likes of Richards and Lescott I assume were not scouted as such as they were clearly Sherwoods influence
So what did he actually do to justify the shit?
I think Gestede was probably Sherwood's idea as well. The charge I would aim at Reilly would be that, although the players listed were some of the better players last season (not hard I know), we lost the spine of our team and the players brought in weren't really the type to fill that void.
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I don't get this angst towards Reilly
Nearly all of the new recruits last year
Ayew
Amavi
Gana
Vertout
Gestede
Most are hopeful they stay
The likes of Richards and Lescott I assume were not scouted as such as they were clearly Sherwoods influence
So what did he actually do to justify the shit?
Well, the ''Paddy recruits'' cost nearly £40m quid and looked shite, that's why he gets stick.
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...and don't forget how his scouting network worked out...iirc, one moved to Oz and the other was a college student.
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I don't get this angst towards Reilly
Nearly all of the new recruits last year
Ayew
Amavi
Gana
Vertout
Gestede
Most are hopeful they stay
The likes of Richards and Lescott I assume were not scouted as such as they were clearly Sherwoods influence
So what did he actually do to justify the shit?
Well, the ''Paddy recruits'' cost nearly £40m quid and looked shite, that's why he gets stick.
Nearly £20m of that was on Ayew and Amavi, neither of whom looked shite at all.
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Plus they would/will sell for more than £40 million.
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It also takes two sides to make a deal. The vast bulk of the money we spent last season was for Benteke whose value has halved. What has been the less wasteful business? Reilly's group or Christian Benteke's collapse in value at Liverpool?
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I don't get this angst towards Reilly
Nearly all of the new recruits last year
Ayew
Amavi
Gana
Vertout
Gestede
Most are hopeful they stay
The likes of Richards and Lescott I assume were not scouted as such as they were clearly Sherwoods influence
So what did he actually do to justify the shit?
He was given far too much sway on player recruitment. Admittedly not his fault but the end result was catastrophic for the club. Ray Wilkins is quoted as saying that TS had very different ideas as to recruitments and rebuilding the team. It caused a massive rift in the squad that set us on the slippery slope to relegation. I repeat it was probably not his fault as he was given a brief to follow but it backfired and people hold him responsible.
Oh and welcome Andrew Stone. Good luck.
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If he can be instrumental in putting in place the conveyor belt of talent that Southampton have enjoyed in the past few seasons, I'll be very happy.
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It also takes two sides to make a deal. The vast bulk of the money we spent last season was for Benteke whose value has halved. What has been the less wasteful business? Reilly's group or Christian Benteke's collapse in value at Liverpool?
His value hasn't collapsed too much, if Crystal Palace's bid of £31m that I saw in the media yesterday is correct.
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Plus they would/will sell for more than £40 million.
I very much doubt that, unless the next club Reilly joins buys them. The only one we'd make a profit on is Ayew.
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Gana, Veretout and Gestede are definitely worth less than we paid for them. Throw in Traore who I'd say is worth less than we paid at this moment in time too.
If Amavi has a good 6 months now he's fit again we may get our money back on him, I'd say Ayew we'd roughly break even or make a small profit.
Overall we'd make a fair loss on last summer's signings from abroad.
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Plus they would/will sell for more than £40 million.
I very much doubt that, unless the next club Reilly joins buys them. The only one we'd make a profit on is Ayew.
Really? Good seasons by Amavi and Veretout will ensure at least break-evens with them, and with Amavi, probably a profit. All the rumours for Gana have generally quoted him at a price near the 8 million we paid. Gestede could go either way and the list of potential suitors is pretty limited, but goalscoring ability at Championship level + Championship clubs having money these days puts a floor on how low his value could fall.
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Plus they would/will sell for more than £40 million.
I very much doubt that, unless the next club Reilly joins buys them. The only one we'd make a profit on is Ayew.
We're working in a marketplace where Ashley Westwood is apparently attracting bids of £6m. I'm guessing you wouldn't have predicted that at the end of the season?
I certainly don't expect us to sell the likes of Amavi, Veretout and Adama at a loss, because why would we want to?
We'll make a profit, break even or they'll stay.
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Plus they would/will sell for more than £40 million.
I very much doubt that, unless the next club Reilly joins buys them. The only one we'd make a profit on is Ayew.
Really?
No, Reilly
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Gana, Veretout and Gestede are definitely worth less than we paid for them. Throw in Traore who I'd say is worth less than we paid at this moment in time too.
If Amavi has a good 6 months now he's fit again we may get our money back on him, I'd say Ayew we'd roughly break even or make a small profit.
Overall we'd make a fair loss on last summer's signings from abroad.
You can't say whether we'll lose on them or not until they're sold. This time last week Liverpool supporters would have been thinking about a hefty loss on Benteke.
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In a world where James Tomkins has just fetched £12m I'd wouldn't rule out any ridiculous fee for our players.
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In a world where James Tomkins has just fetched £12m I'd wouldn't rule out any ridiculous fee for our players.
In the same vein don't rule out ridiculous fees for who we might be trying to bring in.
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I don't get this angst towards Reilly
Nearly all of the new recruits last year
Ayew
Amavi
Gana
Vertout
Gestede
Most are hopeful they stay
The likes of Richards and Lescott I assume were not scouted as such as they were clearly Sherwoods influence
So what did he actually do to justify the shit?
His job wasn't just to sign players surely? What about our scouting infastructure, surely that is Reilly's responsibility, y'know our Spain scout who was on holiday in Australia and the other one playing championship manager...that might've been Reilly himself I forget.
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In a world where James Tomkins has just fetched £12m I'd wouldn't rule out any ridiculous fee for our players.
James Tomkins just had a great season playing for a top 8 side. Ours just won 3 out of 38.
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In a world where James Tomkins has just fetched £12m I'd wouldn't rule out any ridiculous fee for our players.
James Tomkins just had a great season playing for a top 8 side. Ours just won 3 out of 38.
That may be true, I don't know, but he is fucking shit.
Worse than Mark Noble.
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In a world where James Tomkins has just fetched £12m I'd wouldn't rule out any ridiculous fee for our players.
James Tomkins just had a great season playing for a top 8 side. Ours just won 3 out of 38.
That may be true, I don't know, but he is fucking shit.
Worse than Mark Noble.
Of course it's true. It's a stone cold fact. I'm sure he's not shit too.
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In a world where James Tomkins has just fetched £12m I'd wouldn't rule out any ridiculous fee for our players.
James Tomkins just had a great season playing for a top 8 side. Ours just won 3 out of 38.
That may be true, I don't know, but he is fucking shit.
Worse than Mark Noble.
Of course it's true. It's a stone cold fact. I'm sure he's not shit too.
he is a little poohy
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Using Westwood's £6 million as a base line,. I would value Ayew at £12 million, Amavi at £8 million, Gana at £8 million, Veretout at £6 million and £6 million for Gestede. £40 million.
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Im sure I heard something about him being involved in the Elphick deal
He did congratulate him on twitter when the deal went through.
Well that makes it gospel then ;)
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It's really simple.
With Paddy Reilly as Head of Recruitment Aston Villa were relegated for the first time in 30 years causing untold and as yet unknown damage to the club. The End.
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Also are we sure it's Andrew Stone and not Andrew Greaves we have recruited?