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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2016, 04:58:13 PM
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Shit.
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Boot...
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Is anybody surprised?
Anybody?
In the history of the world?
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Forever.
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Good for spells. Westwood good. Ayew good. Cissoko muppet. Bunn isnt very good is he?
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Arse.
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I thought......but we did.....why did he......who made.....the ref.....oh I give up.
Like the players.
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The lack of spine is just astonishing
To give that away so fucking weakly, so limply, is amazing even by our abysmally low standards.
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What an utter shambles. They are laughably poor.
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Yet another memory to repress.
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There are no expletives left to describe my thoughts on this season and those useless fuckweasels.
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Even by our standards that takes some doing..pathetic.
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Just fuck off.
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Fantastic! A memorable way to beat a club record...
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Of all the shambolic results that tops the lot
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We find new and interesting ways to scupper ourselves each and every week.
It really is quite impressive.
Black regrets taking the job. Most of us are in agreement. Why is he still here?
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useless Pillocks!, If I performed like this in my job I would be fired! these spoilt bastards just get away with it and go off some other place for another 50 grand a week!. Disgraceful
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Embarrassing. Shameful. Pitiful. Pathetic. 11 defeats on the trot. We keep finding new ways to lose. This time conceding twice in added time. The players have lost all self respect. The day we ship the likes of Lescott, Bacuna etc out of the club cannot come too soon.
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I question any manager that thinks Sinclair for Gana and taking Ayew off are sensible. Black cost us that with Sherwood luke fuckwittery
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And still people in the away end clap them off #themindboggles
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Wankers Wankers Wankers total fuckin Wankers. ..useless fuckin Wankers. ..useless fuckin Wankers. ..arseholes. ..useless fuckin arseholes...fuckin disgrace.. tossers...fuckin tossers...I genuinely hate you you useless bunch of wankstained bedsheets.
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Tactically bringing Sinclair on was complete suicide.
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1) Have we been sold yet?
2) Have we got anyone in charge of the team that remotely has a clue what they are doing?
3) Don't care until 1) & 2) are sorted.
4) Fucking shambles.
5) Again.
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No sweat off their back..
This squad is just a group of clowns. It's so sad. Far too much damage has been done to this club over the last year.
Can we cut Bacuna already?
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Three stupid goals in injury time ? Again ? Stewards' inquiry please. Some Indian bookie has got to be making a fortune here.
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Tactically bringing Sinclair on was complete suicide.
Sabotage. I'm convinced of it an absolute disgrace
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I'll repeat what I said at the end of the match thread.
Eric Black: 35 years of idiocy.
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I've never known a team find so many different ways to lose a football game.
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stunning capitulation, but its not something any of us should be shocked by. The idiocy of Cissokho, compounded by the tactical ineptitude of Black. Fucking buffoons the lot of them and especially those two. You have a central midfielder on the bench to replace one if needed, but no, he brings on a fucking winger. Are you fucking kidding me?
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That's why we're going down.
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To concede equaliser - typical Villa since dawn of time. To then collapse immediately again..... Last five years summed up in two minutes
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Wankers Wankers Wankers total fuckin Wankers. ..useless fuckin Wankers. ..useless fuckin Wankers. ..arseholes. ..useless fuckin arseholes...fuckin disgrace.. tossers...fuckin tossers...I genuinely hate you you useless bunch of wankstained bedsheets.
This may lack insightful analysis, but it'll do for me.
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That's why we're going down.
Are down..
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Would be laughable if it wasn't so concerning. Inevitable really when we went down to ten.
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Tactically bringing Sinclair on was complete suicide.
Sabotage. I'm convinced of it an absolute disgrace
Ghana was injured. Maybe he thought Sinclair would add more energy than Vertout. Was Sinclair at fault for the goals?
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The thoughts of Eric Black:
"My team are winning 2-1 with 2 minutes of normal time remaining. But we only have 10 players and we're losing the possession battle. I need to change it. I know, I'll take off my hardest working defensive midfield player and replace him with my ineffective winger!"
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I'd actually forgotten what it was like to be gutted after a Villa result, rather than just accepting it as inevitable.
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Tactically bringing Sinclair on was complete suicide.
Sabotage. I'm convinced of it an absolute disgrace
Ghana was injured. Maybe he thought Sinclair would add more energy than Vertout. Was Sinclair at fault for the goals?
Erick - just stop it. Why do you play bacuna?
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You have to hand it to them. It takes a special collection of individuals to be so utterly inept and happless. How professionals in any line of work can collude to be so useless is well beyond me.
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Well, what can you say. That one was a really impressive defeat. I thought they'd found every way to lose already but I was wrong. Well done all.
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What you mean in the team that was winning 2-1 right up until the 90th minute?
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The thoughts of Eric Black:
"My team are winning 2-1 with 2 minutes of normal time remaining. But we only have 10 players and we're losing the possession battle. I need to change it. I know, I'll take off my hardest working defensive midfield player and replace him with my ineffective winger!"
Gana had to come off. He was injured
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very poor re organisation after the sending off.
Bacuna - right centre back - wtf, Toner was exposed out at left wing back
should have just gone 441
Abdi should have been sent off too, ref bottled giving him the second yellow when he took down Sinclair
Positives - Ayew looked a class above, Westwood very good, Gestede combined well with Ayew, players put in a shift generally
But given the soft underbelly in the team, you just knew 2-1 wouldnt be enough, we had enough chances to kill it off too
Special mention to Carlos Sanchez, did he even get a touch when he came in?
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I wasn't at all surprised when RedSox sent those last two texts. Not even any joy watching Bromsgrove today as they lost 2-0. Football is wank.
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Can we cut Bacuna already?
I should imagine their is a queue waiting to do it to him, the useless deluded prick
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What you mean in the team that was winning 2-1 right up until the 90th minute?
And still couldn't win. Yes, that one.
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I question any manager that thinks Sinclair for Gana and taking Ayew off are sensible. Black cost us that with Sherwood luke fuckwittery
Just thinking that meself.
I've just got an idle sense of curiosity now as to just how poor we can be.
And trying to contain suspicions that there's more to our persistent crapitude than may meet the eye.....
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Another kick in the bollocks. Sods law a played we discarded came back and bit us.
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With 2 minutes to go, I wasn't sure how we were going to do it. It looked impossible. But fair play to the lads, they managed to find a way, against all the odds, to lose that one.
The two matches against Watford this season are why we're going down. Even when we play alright, we'll find a way to lose. It's done with such efficiency, it's almost impressive. "Failure Through Adversity" - the season's motto.
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A serious question. Do we do this on purpose. I just cannot find a logical explanation.
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I'm disappointed for the first time in months, what a mug, thought we weren't going to lose, idiot!
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The thoughts of Eric Black:
"My team are winning 2-1 with 2 minutes of normal time remaining. But we only have 10 players and we're losing the possession battle. I need to change it. I know, I'll take off my hardest working defensive midfield player and replace him with my ineffective winger!"
Gana had to come off. He was injured
OK, but Veretout would surely have been the sensible replacement. It feels a bit Leicester away.
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And there my friends - this season in a nutshell!!
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I felt that Black subbed off both Ayew and Ganna because they were injured. Watford had been looking for Ayew all game.
We played well and with purpose. It may have been my dodgy stream but I thought Cissokho did commit a foul but had managed to get the ball away far enough the negate the 'goalscoring opportunity' bit.
Give the tackles that followed, how we managed to finish with fewer players than Watford is beyond me. What a shitty little club it has become. We were down to 10 and lost our best two players to blatant fouls, the last 5 minutes were a bit harsh. I'd rather point a finger at the ref before heaping too much blame on the players.
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Couldn't even cling on for a draw to end the run. If anyone thinks this tanker is being turned round next year dream on. We've got to go from 26 defeats to 26 wins!
Norwich have almost twice as many points as us with 2 games in hand.
It's surreal
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A serious question. Do we do this on purpose. I just cannot find a logical explanation.
Nah, it couldn't be a far-east betting ring.
Too obvious.
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A serious question. Do we do this on purpose. I just cannot find a logical explanation.
Nah, it couldn't be a far-east betting ring.
Too obvious.
Maybe a North East betting ring?
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I think we were unfortunate with some of the refereeing today. Abdi should have been red-carded, and we were left 9v11 for a few moments until Gana was allowed back on the pitch. Cissokho's red card looked debatable (on my dodgy stream); he came across and won the ball, and I don't think the Watford player would then have made it to the ball even if Cissokho did deliberately obstruct him. I can't blame Cissokho for that situation in any event - he came across to cover the centre backs, and managed to get a decent tackle in initially.
It's shocking how easily the Watford forwards can find some space in our penalty area though. The real improvement I'll be looking for with a new manager and reshuffled squad next year will be better defensive organisation.
The two Watford games sum up our season (apart from the fact that we managed to score two goals in each). The first one already felt like a must win game back in November, and we conspired to lose it through sheer ineptitude despite giving it a real go. I was convinced we would go down at that point, as we were such a shambles defensively - Sanchez in particular had a shocker.
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More than likely to end with 13 defeats in a row. That's over a third of the season without taking a single point. It's not even physically possible to be that toss.
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With 2 minutes to go, I wasn't sure how we were going to do it. It looked impossible. But fair play to the lads, they managed to find a way, against all the odds, to lose that one.
The two matches against Watford this season are why we're going down. Even when we play alright, we'll find a way to lose. It's done with such efficiency, it's almost impressive. "Failure Through Adversity" - the season's motto.
My sentiments entirely.
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They have destroyed our ambitions that much that we accept the relegation, the thrashings, the last minutes goals etc. The height of our ambitions is now for them not to let certain players on the opposition score and they can't even do that.
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In this season of hell i did not think it was possible for me to get upset with the bunch of wankers who turn out for us every week any more. How wrong i was. In the game at home to Watford we managed to give the bluenose Deeney the freedom of Villa Park to score the winner .We managed to top that today ,to let him level the scores and then get the winner in added on time is almost beyond belief .The sad truth is,how many of us are surprised it happened. Thank god there is only two more games to go ,i can't take much more!
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There are no expletives left to describe my thoughts on this season and those useless fuckweasels.
Marvelous term - which is far more than can be said for our astonishingly shit 'team'. In fact, fuckweasels sum them up beautifully. At least Deeney didn't quite score the hat-trick I predicted. Triffick.
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The really depressing thing is we've got more of this to come next season. This utter shitness won't magically change. The club is fundamentally broken.
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I have to be honest, the only reason I wanted us to win was for our travelling support again
Once more, they were brilliant
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More than likely to end with 13 defeats in a row. That's over a third of the season without taking a single point. It's not even physically possible to be that toss.
i hope we dont lose 13 on the bounce as that would be unlucky
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Words fail me.
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Tactically bringing Sinclair on was complete suicide.
Sabotage. I'm convinced of it an absolute disgrace
Someone call in the authorities.
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More than likely to end with 13 defeats in a row. That's over a third of the season without taking a single point. It's not even physically possible to be that toss.
i hope we dont lose 13 on the bounce as that would be unlucky
Boom boom! :D
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The really depressing thing is we've got more of this to come next season. This utter shitness won't magically change. The club is fundamentally broken.
It will change (be it for better or - if possible - worse) as soon as the fuckwit owner leaves. Every single ounce of this shit I put down to him. He has really fucked up this great football club.
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More than likely to end with 13 defeats in a row. That's over a third of the season without taking a single point. It's not even physically possible to be that toss.
i hope we dont lose 13 on the bounce as that would be unlucky
That is soooooooooooooooo good. I do love clever word play. Are you any good at football ? Sign here.
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Astonished that anyone is still bothered enough to get upset by them. The sooner this season is over the better.
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....and just think of the shirt name revenue.....OswaldFunkeltrumpet. Millions through the tills.
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The suggestion that they are throwing games is absurd, what is not so absurd is that they are playing games as though they are throwing them.
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We will lose 13 in a row I'm certain of that.......however keep the faith as when Sunderland went down with 15 points they were Champions the next season with 88.
Just need a new owner manager goalie centre half midfielder striker etc etc
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More than likely to end with 13 defeats in a row. That's over a third of the season without taking a single point. It's not even physically possible to be that toss.
i hope we dont lose 13 on the bounce as that would be unlucky
Boom boom! :D
im here all week, try the kiev
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The really depressing thing is we've got more of this to come next season. This utter shitness won't magically change. The club is fundamentally broken.
It will change (be it for better or - if possible - worse) as soon as the fuckwit owner leaves. Every single ounce of this shit I put down to him. He has really fucked up this great football club.
If there's one thing that can't be brought into question about Randy Lerner, it's his ability to fuck things up. I simply can't see him not fucking up any takeover.
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Have to see it again but looked like Cissoko got the ball and Hutton was there so wasn't last man , but wtf was happening that some how with 3 cbs on the pitch a long ball over top left us with just 2 full backs miles away from each other left covering ....????
So we are down to 10 so we decided to stay with 3 at back with Bacuna at Right CB , Toner out at LB being exposed by the left winger they brought on....Gana had to go injured I understand by Sinclar ..really ???
We did well to get to 2-1 up the system was flawed from get go , the 3 all left footed Cbs looked awkward and unsure of positions , fortunately Watford was useless especially the RB who constantly gave ball away.MF constantly found themselves with no out balls to do being a man short compared to Watford
In the end they should of had a red before the goals the equaliser was a great cross but poor marking ,again the 3 CBs now inc Bacuna not knowing thier positions.The winner just simple ball knocked into box bounced off Lescott I think nicely for Deeney to put away.
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We will start next season as unprepared and unfit as we did last season. Nothing at Villa Park is being done with any sign of urgency. We are still sleep walking.
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I think we were unfortunate with some of the refereeing today. Abdi should have been red-carded, and we were left 9v11 for a few moments until Gana was allowed back on the pitch. Cissokho's red card looked debatable (on my dodgy stream); he came across and won the ball, and I don't think the Watford player would then have made it to the ball even if Cissokho did deliberately obstruct him. I can't blame Cissokho for that situation in any event - he came across to cover the centre backs, and managed to get a decent tackle in initially.
He was rightly sent off. Lifted his leg and gifted the watford fella to trip over it. Made a great tackle initially and then had a high leg that took him out.
However they should have had several players on yellows and quite rightly your man abdi sent off. Inconsistent refing again.
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....and just think of the shirt name revenue.....OswaldFunkeltrumpet. Millions through the tills.
and loads of misspelt shirts in the skip round the back, ozblowed fuckbucket
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We will start next season as unprepared and unfit as we did last season. Nothing at Villa Park is being done with any sign of urgency. We are still sleep walking.
One thing I want to see change (among other things) when the club is sold is the urgency with which changes are made. Managers, signing players, sponsorship...it seems to take other clubs about two minutes to see what needs changing and then do it.
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Sorry I spelled your name wrong. ......but the more letters the better, eh Mr Funkletrumpet. (tick) ? :-)
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11 (Eleven)
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We will start next season as unprepared and unfit as we did last season. Nothing at Villa Park is being done with any sign of urgency. We are still sleep walking.
Probably right. I do wonder if any take over talks are even taking place.
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So you leave a right and left back in those positions marking no one and no centre half, so a punt down the middle is enough to turn the game and then add Blacks genius and that is what you get.
Just when you thought it could not get any worse, by the way Watford are a poor team.
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We will start next season as unprepared and unfit as we did last season. Nothing at Villa Park is being done with any sign of urgency. We are still sleep walking.
One thing I want to see change (among other things) when the club is sold is the urgency with which changes are made. Managers, signing players, sponsorship...it seems to take other clubs about two minutes to see what needs changing and then do it.
Some kind of intent, purpose and direction would be nice.
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It must take 35 years of seeing how things are done right to be able to systematically do everything that could possibly be wrong to enable you to fuck up so predictably week after week - from the line up which was designed as damage limitation, to playing the same useless players like Bacuna, to compounding it with substitutions that were - at best - head-scratchingly tactically inept. Well done Eric - new records duly achieved, now please kindly fuck off with the rest of them.
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Could not agree more curious. We fart arse and faff about with everything we do. There is no dynamism about the club. You get the picture of all the yes men and women waiting for Lerner to call from his country club or his golf course so they can get instructions. If he does not call the decisions do not get made.
Shirley). Will you phone Mr Lerner?
Tracey) No You do it. I called him last time.
Shirley) What shall I say?
Tracey) Just say a man phoned who wants to buy the club.
Shirley) But I have forgotten his name. He said it so quick.
Tracey) Just say a Chinese gentleman.
Shirley) I think I will wait until he calls back. So I can get his name right.
Tracey) Good idea. Is that the time?
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Did I miss something, Why did Remi leave ?
Was it to improve Morale ?
Another Mystery.
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Here's to you Eric and the next 35 years.
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We will start next season as unprepared and unfit as we did last season. Nothing at Villa Park is being done with any sign of urgency. We are still sleep walking.
Did anyone from the club ever explain why the players didn't do a pre-season?
The alarm bells are ringing for next season, and I'm fearing the worst. Good intentions and good words will fix nothing. The clubs a sick puppy and It needs some radical action, and soon.
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The really depressing thing is we've got more of this to come next season. This utter shitness won't magically change. The club is fundamentally broken.
It will change (be it for better or - if possible - worse) as soon as the fuckwit owner leaves. Every single ounce of this shit I put down to him. He has really fucked up this great football club.
If there's one thing that can't be brought into question about Randy Lerner, it's his ability to fuck things up. I simply can't see him not fucking up any takeover.
I agree. In fact, I genuinely don't believe he will sell the Club. I firmly believe he is stringing us along again in the stubborn hope things will magically sort themselves out.
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The really depressing thing is we've got more of this to come next season. This utter shitness won't magically change. The club is fundamentally broken.
It will change (be it for better or - if possible - worse) as soon as the fuckwit owner leaves. Every single ounce of this shit I put down to him. He has really fucked up this great football club.
If there's one thing that can't be brought into question about Randy Lerner, it's his ability to fuck things up. I simply can't see him not fucking up any takeover.
I agree. In fact, I genuinely don't believe he will sell the Club. I firmly believe he is stringing us along again in the stubborn hope things will magically sort themselves out.
I begrudgingly and fearfully have to agree with this. Until we see something, anything concrete on the EXACT people he is in negotiations with, and statements to accompany it, I simply cannot believe the 'advanced stages' crap. Just ONE thing we want him to do like a competent human being.
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Twice we have played Watford this season, twice they have looked terrible and twice they have beaten us 3-2. This team is just used to losing, it has no belief whatsoever. People talk about win percentages for managers but what must some of the win percentages for these players look like? The likes of Clark and Westwood? Let alone the players who joined this season, who can't possibly have a win percentage better than 8% because the club can't better that this season.
People talk about keeping the players who have better attitudes next season but most of them are so downtrodden now that I can't see it working. As soon as the going gets tough and sides try to rough us up at Villa Park, they will fold. They always fold.
Watford are a team containing a lot of dross - journeymen, lower league triers and even fairly expensive foreign players who have largely flopped. They put one decent run together this season and it kept them up. We are incapable of the smallest achievements and it really is a shambles.
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I have to say, i burst out laughing in disbelief when i came on here and saw the title of this thread. Surely it was harsh, as we were winning when my stream went off at 89 mins.
I'm not sure i've ever seen 3 centre halves all being left footed before, either. If Richards was fit to be on the bench, he was fit to be on the right hand side; regardless of how disinterested he is.
Cissokko is never ever in a gazillion years a wing back.
Has he got coaching badges, this pillock currently "managing" us? If so, what the hell do they teach them when they earn these badges!
It's gonna take a lot of sweeping changes at the club to remotely get me interested again, as i'm so dis-engaged it's unreal.
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Keep the fans, Villa Park and maybe the tea-lady...get rid of all the rest. Soiling Villas proud history in this manner is beyond shameful. Noone even remotly assosiated with this squad is untainted. Rot starts with the owner and goes all the way down to the core.
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As with Dim Tim at Leicester, Black has to take the rap for this. When Cissokho went, it should have been 4 at the back, with another MF coming on when subs were being made.
Shame, they played well in parts and some players were making a real effort.
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Troy Deeney, a nose, scored 3 times in 2 games to help fucking Watford do the double over us. Fucking hell. You couldn't make it up.
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Croatian, I got the impression there was no pre season because Timmy was too busy trawling the Tottenham rejects bin and trying to get approval for mega wages for his bestie mates (witch doctor's fees included).
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Could not agree more curious. We fart arse and faff about with everything we do. There is no dynamism about the club. You get the picture of all the yes men and women waiting for Lerner to call from his country club or his golf course so they can get instructions. If he does not call the decisions do not get made.
Shirley). Will you phone Mr Lerner?
Tracey) No You do it. I called him last time.
Shirley) What shall I say?
Tracey) Just say a man phoned who wants to buy the club.
Shirley) But I have forgotten his name. He said it so quick.
Tracey) Just say a Chinese gentleman.
Shirley) I think I will wait until he calls back. So I can get his name right.
Tracey) Good idea. Is that the time?
Chauvinistic pig. Poor girls.
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Cheer up everyone- Gabby's back in training on Monday!!!
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The really depressing thing is we've got more of this to come next season. This utter shitness won't magically change. The club is fundamentally broken.
Absolutely
I haven't even been giving the new manager situation the slightest thought.
What's the point? There is so much that is wrong, the identity of the manager will change nothing.
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Not read many of the threads, so apologise if this has already been said. Why the feck is this donut playing some of these players who we all know have been dogs poo and will be off in the summer, yet leave someone like Grealish on the bench. Give the kids a chance rather than these losers
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Keep the fans, Villa Park and maybe the tea-lady...get rid of all the rest. Soiling Villas proud history in this manner is beyond shameful. Noone even remotly assosiated with this squad is untainted. Rot starts with the owner and goes all the way down to the core.
Yep, we've got an iconic ground with an excellent playing surface. We've got very good training facilities. And some of the staff have escaped redundancy.
Erm, that's about it.
Edit: Forgot to add the unbelievable support.
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Not only is the club broken, those in authority do not even acknowledge that it is broken. They parrot out their comments about coming back to the Premiership when any football fan with half a brain cell in his/her head knows the fundamental, carved in stone truth that it is easier to stay in the Premiership than to get back in it. Somebody should have tattooed that on Randy Lerner's eyeballs.
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It won't fix magically but this season has to actually end for the repairs to truly start. It will feel hopeless and utterly shit until then.
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Flabby, Richards, Lescott, Guzan and Bucuna all have to be moved on for this club to even begin to fix itself. That means any new owner is going to have to part with £10-15million before they even begin to fork out for new players. The better players - Ayew, Gana, Amavi - will be gone at a knockdown price, so we'll get some money for them. But there are so many problems to fix, I really don't think anybody really knows where to begin.
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Yes TV but the problems are so intractable they could take two seasons of more to be properly rectified. We have not even got sight of the start of all the changes that need to happen and the new season is only 20 weeks away.
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Wow.
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It's a weird feeling to be in the away end, watching us win with minutes to go, with no excitement, no belief. It was obvious Deeney was going to come out of nowhere and sink us.
In other news, Vicarage Road is a hell of a lot smaller than it looks on the telly.
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on the positive we scored two goals.
too much wrong here though, Randy will take us to Div 1, it does all look pretty glim
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Yes TV but the problems are so intractable they could take two seasons of more to be properly rectified. We have not even got sight of the start of all the changes that need to happen and the new season is only 20 weeks away.
Not that I want to sound or appear naive Brian but a lot will change in that span of time. And we don't need to start the season with the work completed we just need to finish it with the job done and promotion secured. The season is a long one and I hope with the right changes we will improve over the next 52 weeks not just the next 20.
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With 2 minutes to go, I wasn't sure how we were going to do it. It looked impossible. But fair play to the lads, they managed to find a way, against all the odds, to lose that one.
The two matches against Watford this season are why we're going down. Even when we play alright, we'll find a way to lose. It's done with such efficiency, it's almost impressive. "Failure Through Adversity" - the season's motto.
Nail on the head. The home match we were better than them but found three highly creative ways of gifting them goals.
And as for this match, I could write loads but am on the mobile and hate typing on these things.
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Not only is the club broken, those in authority do not even acknowledge that it is broken. They parrot out their comments about coming back to the Premiership when any football fan with half a brain cell in his/her head knows the fundamental, carved in stone truth that it is easier to stay in the Premiership than to get back in it. Somebody should have tattooed that on Randy Lerner's eyeballs.
You have hot the nail straight on the head with this post (for me) old boy
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Yes TV but the problems are so intractable they could take two seasons of more to be properly rectified. We have not even got sight of the start of all the changes that need to happen and the new season is only 20 weeks away.
I am waiting for the new man to get appointed and start talking about the key role Gabby could have in getting back to where we belong or how he hopes the fans will let bygones be bygones and cut Bacuna some slack.
We have a few players who are actually looking quite good now they have settled in. They will be first out of the door.
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Less spine than the elephant man. Spat tea when I saw the thread title
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Sat in Asda car park listening to footie while Mrs K did the weekly shop, at 89 mins were 2-1 up and im thinking at least the 11 game losing streak wont be matched, took a walk to the cash point with a couple of people getting money before me, back in car 6 mins later and we've lost 3-2, for the first time in months that gut wrenching feeling returned, I know I should have guessed the outcome but I allowed myself to feel a tiny bit of happiness and thought I might watch MOTD later, why couldent we just produce our regulation 2/3 goal defeat, fuckin shit depressing gut wrenching embarrasing humiliating season from hell.
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An owner who is missing in in-action.
No manager.
No club captain, the previous one sacked for behaving like a feral teenager.
No board to run the place in the owners absence.
A squad that requires to be cleaned out.
A player refusing to play.
A player who who would prefer not to play.
It'll take much more than a close season to fix. You can't fix that mess in a couple of months. I'm sure we'll get back to the top flight but it might involve another drop before it happens.
Unthinkable?
Think again.
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Agree with you wholeheartedly TV but my prediction that I have posted elsewhere a number of times is that 2016/17 will be a scramble for us to try to get into the play offs . All the form and the gut feelings tell me that we will not hit the Championship ground running. We do not have the players or the money to put a winning team together from Day 1. It is going to be a long hard slog and we only have two or three players who can show the qualities needed for the war of attrition that is the Championship.
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The 20 weeks BG is a depressing thought, when you think of the huge job that needs doing here and will not start until the sale which is obviously not as iminant as we hoped.
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And for every season we spend in the championship there will be another 3 teams with 100 million to spend on players
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See me.
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Well done Eric,you somehow manged to keep your 100% lose record as a caretaker manger. When i heard that there was 5 minutes stoppage time i thought not even Villa can lose this one .Then when i heard we had brought Sanchez on who you just know will give the ball away and to send on Sinclair who has managed to contribute sod all most of the season you proved me wrong Hurry up and leave
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League one I'm afraid unless there are any dramatic changes.
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The sale Chicago is a mirage. A land of goals and wins and smiles shimmering on the horizon but never actually materialising.
On days like today I think Lerner is like the man who wants to sell his house but does not really want to move. Shows you round, shows you the nice garden, the double glazed windows, even the rising damp under the stairs. He reluctantly accepts your offer, shakes your hand limply then as you walk through the front door tells you there are several other people interested. That, my friends, is what I think has been happening ever since he put the club on the market. He is a Messer.
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Don't worry Black says that today was a small step to winning over the fans. That's right, today - the day we equalled our record for consecutive defeats. I would hate to see them if they were trying to piss us off.
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Keep the fans, Villa Park and maybe the tea-lady...get rid of all the rest. Soiling Villas proud history in this manner is beyond shameful. Noone even remotly assosiated with this squad is untainted. Rot starts with the owner and goes all the way down to the core.
Yep, we've got an iconic ground with an excellent playing surface.[/b[ We've got very good training facilities. And some of the staff have escaped redundancy.
Erm, that's about it.
I'm prepared to admit I could be wrong, but I'm sure we've won everything we've ever won when our pitch has been, at best, a bit shit.
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There is logic in what you say LFS. Better sides play better on better surfaces. We are not one of the better sides.
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Utter, utter shit. You useless bunch of wankers.
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Yes TV but the problems are so intractable they could take two seasons of more to be properly rectified. We have not even got sight of the start of all the changes that need to happen and the new season is only 20 weeks away.
Not that I want to sound or appear naive Brian but a lot will change in that span of time. And we don't need to start the season with the work completed we just need to finish it with the job done and promotion secured. The season is a long one and I hope with the right changes we will improve over the next 52 weeks not just the next 20.
when you start breaking things down i would imagine that the new manager is going to have about 6 weeks to work with the players before the season starts
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Keep the fans, Villa Park and maybe the tea-lady...get rid of all the rest. Soiling Villas proud history in this manner is beyond shameful. Noone even remotly assosiated with this squad is untainted. Rot starts with the owner and goes all the way down to the core.
Yep, we've got an iconic ground with an excellent playing surface.[/b[ We've got very good training facilities. And some of the staff have escaped redundancy.
Erm, that's about it.
I'm prepared to admit I could be wrong, but I'm sure we've won everything we've ever won when our pitch has been, at best, a bit shit.
Just looking for positives, that's all.
Oh and one of the BMH tea ladies has got a fine set of juggs.
Positives end.
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There are no positives. Not one. We are shit and have no manager.
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Don't worry Black says that today was a small step to winning over the fans. That's right, today - the day we equalled our record for consecutive defeats. I would hate to see them if they were trying to piss us off.
He just pulls phrases out of a hat I think - the gormless nob
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I'm obviously not as depressed or angry as most of you. For the first time for many weeks I stayed on at the end - as did many others - and applauded the players, most of whom, including Lescott, came right over to the away stand. Yes, we lost a game we should have won and yes, it had to be Deeney who scored, but at least the players showed fight and commitment this time and it really did seem that the result mattered to them. The mood of our supporters was interesting: booing of the usual players in the early stages, mock euphoria when we managed a shot, but it changed to sincere and vociferous cheering when we seized control of the game, something we haven't done for ages.
I'm not pretending for one moment that today's improved performance can in any way compensate for all the mistakes on and off the field in a truly awful season, but we've been giving the players lots of criticism for not trying and seeming not to care. Today they did and I for one want to recognise that.
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I'm obviously not as depressed or angry as most of you. For the first time for many weeks I stayed on at the end - as did many others - and applauded the players, most of whom, including Lescott, came right over to the away stand. Yes, we lost a game we should have won and yes, it had to be Deeney who scored, but at least the players showed fight and commitment this time and it really did seem that the result mattered to them. The mood of our supporters was interesting: booing of the usual players in the early stages, mock euphoria when we managed a shot, but it changed to sincere and vociferous cheering when we seized control of the game, something we haven't done for ages.
I'm not pretending for one moment that today's improved performance can in any way compensate for all the mistakes on and off the field in a truly awful season, but we've been giving the players lots of criticism for not trying and seeming not to care. Today they did and I for one want to recognise that.
Good to hear that Frank. But why put the effort in now? Why not earlier, before our fate was sealed? What's changed? The cynic in me says that it's perhaps because some of them know that they're on their way, and a few gutsy performances might get them a bigger club and bigger money.
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Admire your support Frank but like Croatian I think it is so much easier now for the players to play the crowd. We needed them to show their mettle against Watford at home not now when it counts for nothing. Watford have got nothing to play for now. At VP they had as much at stake as we did. A good club man is the one who does it when it matters, not as an apology.
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I obviously understand what you're both saying. I rarely miss a game and I've been as frustrated as anyone by the lack of effort for several months now. But I thought that several of our players were trying for the team today and not for their future - Westwood, for example, Clark, Ayew, Gana, Hutton and, yes really, Lescott. (I can't really include Gestede, poor lad. He does try but he just hasn't got it.)
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Frank I really admire your loyalty and if I had been fit would have been in that rabbit hutch in Watford with you. It is such a shame that the players did not get it when they needed to EG against Liverpool.
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Frank I really admire your loyalty and if I had been fit would have been in that rabbit hutch in Watford with you. It is such a shame that the players did not get it when they needed to EG against Liverpool.
I agree with you there, Brian. For sheer awfulness the Liverpool capitulation surpasses anything I've seen in years
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I'm obviously not as depressed or angry as most of you. For the first time for many weeks I stayed on at the end - as did many others - and applauded the players, most of whom, including Lescott, came right over to the away stand. Yes, we lost a game we should have won and yes, it had to be Deeney who scored, but at least the players showed fight and commitment this time and it really did seem that the result mattered to them. The mood of our supporters was interesting: booing of the usual players in the early stages, mock euphoria when we managed a shot, but it changed to sincere and vociferous cheering when we seized control of the game, something we haven't done for ages.
I'm not pretending for one moment that today's improved performance can in any way compensate for all the mistakes on and off the field in a truly awful season, but we've been giving the players lots of criticism for not trying and seeming not to care. Today they did and I for one want to recognise that.
Fickle
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The expected kick in the balls. How did Kevin Toner do? Lots on twitter saying he looked ok.
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There are no positives. Not one. We are shit and have no manager.
This. I don't buy the claims of "we played better" and "the players cared today" all I saw was the same players doing the same stupid things like usual. Stupid tackles in dangerous areas and none-stop giving the ball away. We conceded two late goals in both halves then threw away everything in injury time. (mainly due to the same morons 1; Hutton not closing his man down 2; Buffoona ball watching)
Hutton is prized pillock, I cannot stand him and any claims of 'at least he tries' the guy has no idea what the meaning of playing well for 90+ minutes means, none.
No need to comment on nocluna, we all know what he is.
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I'm obviously not as depressed or angry as most of you. For the first time for many weeks I stayed on at the end - as did many others - and applauded the players, most of whom, including Lescott, came right over to the away stand. Yes, we lost a game we should have won and yes, it had to be Deeney who scored, but at least the players showed fight and commitment this time and it really did seem that the result mattered to them. The mood of our supporters was interesting: booing of the usual players in the early stages, mock euphoria when we managed a shot, but it changed to sincere and vociferous cheering when we seized control of the game, something we haven't done for ages.
I'm not pretending for one moment that today's improved performance can in any way compensate for all the mistakes on and off the field in a truly awful season, but we've been giving the players lots of criticism for not trying and seeming not to care. Today they did and I for one want to recognise that.
Good to hear that Frank. But why put the effort in now? Why not earlier, before our fate was sealed? What's changed? The cynic in me says that it's perhaps because some of them know that they're on their way, and a few gutsy performances might get them a bigger club and bigger money.
Agree with all that Frank said from watching on my stream. The big difference for me was having the likes of Clark and Toner in the team. Both wanting to give their all, both still with something to play for (the Euros) as well as showing a bit of pride in the shirt. Hutton always gives it his best, Lescott tries with his dodgy legs, Gana and Westwood got busy and Ayew will run all day, he's enough self pride to want to succeed whatever the occasion. Add to that the more mobile Gestede and we actually had a team that were finally up to matching the opposition in effort.
It's just a shame we have no leaders on the pitch and a manager that can organise the team better. Still, it was finally comforting to see a Villa team that actually gave a shit. Better late than never. I'm glad to hear our fans showed them we aren't fickle, we have standards and will remind our players when they're not meeting them and applaud them when they do.
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The expected kick in the balls. How did Kevin Toner do? Lots on twitter saying he looked ok.
He's fond of the James Collins-esque hoof up field but there's nothing wrong with that at this stage of his career.
Could be back up to a Clark/Baker partnership next season
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Sometimes anger can blind you. It's hard to cast a weather eye on matters when you've been turned over by another wanky no mark club who, like last week's opponents are little more than a genital wart on the history of English football for all they've contributed to it.
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Never a straight red in a million years.
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MC squared.
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The expected kick in the balls. How did Kevin Toner do? Lots on twitter saying he looked ok.
I forgot to mention him. He's looked pretty good in the last 2 games. He was solid defensively but had a decent chance with a header that he might have done better with
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I'm obviously not as depressed or angry as most of you. For the first time for many weeks I stayed on at the end - as did many others - and applauded the players, most of whom, including Lescott, came right over to the away stand. Yes, we lost a game we should have won and yes, it had to be Deeney who scored, but at least the players showed fight and commitment this time and it really did seem that the result mattered to them. The mood of our supporters was interesting: booing of the usual players in the early stages, mock euphoria when we managed a shot, but it changed to sincere and vociferous cheering when we seized control of the game, something we haven't done for ages.
I'm not pretending for one moment that today's improved performance can in any way compensate for all the mistakes on and off the field in a truly awful season, but we've been giving the players lots of criticism for not trying and seeming not to care. Today they did and I for one want to recognise that.
Good to read the views of someone who was at the game. On the stream I was watching it did seem like there were things to get cheerful about.
The shame of it is that the architects of this improved performance are likely to be first out of the door come season's end.
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Went to the game, one of the lads put money on 2-2. At 2-2 he was fucking about questioning whether to 'cash out" yes, no we argued, as the ball pinged around he cashed out......just as the ball flew in to make it 3-2....we were the only two jumping around hugging each other, as we left the ground we realised he didn't make it on time.
Tossers.
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Never thought I'd see the day when Villa would lose 26 league games in one season. What an appalling state of affairs.
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Went to the game, one of the lads put money on 2-2. At 2-2 he was fucking about questioning whether to 'cash out" yes, no we argued, as the ball pinged around he cashed out......just as the ball flew in to make it 3-2....we were the only two jumping around hugging each other, as we left the ground we realised he didn't make it on time.
Tossers.
I messed up on 90 minutes and put a quid on Watford at 50/1
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The expected kick in the balls. How did Kevin Toner do? Lots on twitter saying he looked ok.
It's early days, but he seems to lack that immediate pace. If he can read the game well it will compensate well.
Time will tell
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I thought we were the better team for 85 minutes but Deeney's two goals just summed up the whole season really. At 2-1, it all seemed too good to be true.
Not seen Cissokho's red card back yet but at the time I thought he won the ball.
Oh, and to the absolute fucking twat who started throwing coins at the Watford fans after the 3rd goal and didn't like it when I had a go at him, then I hope you're proud of yourself. Utter arsehole.
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why do people have to resort to shithouse antics.....throwing coins is ridiculously childish, and bloody dangerous
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I thought we were the better team for 85 minutes but Deeney's two goals just summed up the whole season really. At 2-1, it all seemed too good to be true.
Not seen Cissokho's red card back yet but at the time I thought he won the ball.
Oh, and to the absolute fucking twat who started throwing coins at the Watford fans after the 3rd goal and didn't like it when I had a go at him, then I hope you're proud of yourself. Utter arsehole.
It was a red card Clamps. As clear as day. He knew exactly what he was doing when the ball came loose after the initial challenge. Bloody buffoon.
Good on you for having a word with that idiot too.
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I'm having a nice few days in a little village by the south coast and have very little phone signal.
After the game had finished I managed to get enough signal to check the result, on seeing the goal timings and red card I couldn't help laughing. This is the first time I've ever laughed about Villa losing. But, really you just couldn't make it up.
Nice one Villa, keep up the good work!
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The expected kick in the balls. How did Kevin Toner do? Lots on twitter saying he looked ok.
It's early days, but he seems to lack that immediate pace. If he can read the game well it will compensate well.
Time will tell
Didn't go to the game today, but my initial thoughts on him last week were a good left, but looked worryingly slow.
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Never thought I'd see the day when Villa would lose 26 league games in one season. What an appalling state of affairs.
I remember the days when it was unthinkable for us to lose by more than a goal or two. Home or away. Forget about ever being humiliated by bottom feeders of the lower leagues. That's not arrogant, it just didn't happen and never would have been allowed. Since DOL the standards have been whittled down. MON came along and we thought it was great but apart from a few occasions, it was pretty shite in comparison to our competition. Two trips to Wembley? Big fucking deal. The less said about the years that followed the better.
We have a lot of catching up to do and getting our house in order. We need to stop accepting "I guess he'll do" managers, crap football (see our home record for the last 30 odd years) but above all, we need leadership. There's a lethargic cloud that hangs over us, as if to say "we're not worthy" and until remove it and start demanding the best, it will never happen.
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Agree with you Rudy. We need to get our standards back again, hell we need to get ANY back again, we have not lowered them as much as chucked them out of the bus miles back.
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My abiding memories of us in the immediate post WW2 years was that we were not very good. The landscape of my years as a supporter has been one of poor and mediocre performance with peaks of excellence at wide intervals. What did surprise me when I looked at our record though was that we used to be able to bang in goals.
In one season, 1951/52 I think it was, our two inside forwards - and remember that inside forwards played like midfield players then - scored 41 goals between them. Johnny Dixon got 28 and Tommy Thompson got 13. Winger Billy Goffin got 10. Our centre forward Dave Walsh did not join us from the stripeys until half way through the season and I think he got into double figures with league and cup goals.
These most recent years have been a barren wilderness not only of wins but also of goals. Other than goals conceded of course. There have been plenty of those.
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We really are there for the taking, still I read, but we will be ok when we are sold, when the new manager comes in, when we get rid of the dross, but we just sleepwalk to the next disaster, 11 games on the run without a win, but dont worry we will sort it out during the summer, just like we did last year hey guys.
We have been brow beaten into believing jam tomorrow, but just eat the bird shit sandwiches today, this is never going to stop until that useless man child has none and I mean no association with this club, I would tear down everything he has done including the Holte pub, so we can never try to reinvent and revise his total destruction of Aston Villa. Lerner Fuck off.
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Yeah!!!! and smash up Bodymore Heath too, so that future generations won't be fooled.
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We really are there for the taking, still I read, but we will be ok when we are sold, when the new manager comes in, when we get rid of the dross, but we just sleepwalk to the next disaster, 11 games on the run without a win, but dont worry we will sort it out during the summer, just like we did last year hey guys.
We have been brow beaten into believing jam tomorrow, but just eat the bird shit sandwiches today, this is never going to stop until that useless man child has none and I mean no association with this club, I would tear down everything he has done including the Holte pub, so we can never try to reinvent and revise his total destruction of Aston Villa. Lerner Fuck off.
agree with all of that
gana, amavi and ayew will be off, we will be left with the shite who no one will want
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At a time when I've become numb to Villa results I was gutted after yesterday's game. For me the loss was contrived by Black with his substitutions and lack of tactical awareness. Sinclair for gana in the 88minute when we're down to 10 men, REALLY????? In the same way the fans don't believe in some of the players eg bacuna and lescott, I feel the players don't believe in each other and black hence the late collapse yesterday and with just 2 competitive games to go until our championship campaign starts my hopes for next season are fading fast.
I don't go along with the thought that some of the players tried and cared yesterday. Too little too late! It should be a given when they sign the dotted line of their contracts that effort, commitment, professionalism and pride should be the very least we can expect in every game not just game 36 of a 38 game season.
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I would tear down everything he has done including the Holte pub, so we can never try to reinvent and revise his total destruction of Aston Villa. Lerner Fuck off.
Ahaa...the ISIL tactics. That would fix it!
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[...] and with just 2 competitive games to go until our championship campaign starts my hopes for next season are fading fast.
You had hopes for next season? Where did you find this 'optimism' thing?
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I thought we were the better team for 85 minutes but Deeney's two goals just summed up the whole season really. At 2-1, it all seemed too good to be true.
Not seen Cissokho's red card back yet but at the time I thought he won the ball.
Oh, and to the absolute fucking twat who started throwing coins at the Watford fans after the 3rd goal and didn't like it when I had a go at him, then I hope you're proud of yourself. Utter arsehole.
It was a red card Clamps. As clear as day. He knew exactly what he was doing when the ball came loose after the initial challenge. Bloody buffoon.
Good on you for having a word with that idiot too.
I've seen it again now and yes, he can't have too many complaints, although he did win the initial ball.
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Link to goals and highlights (http://www.flashscores.co.uk/match/0ED3uC4P/#video)
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There did seem a difference in the players yesterday. They looked more up for it than they have and even the goals were celebrated unlike last week. I wonder if they know something is in the pipeline. Just throwing it out there.
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There did seem a difference in the players yesterday. They looked more up for it than they have and even the goals were celebrated unlike last week. I wonder if they know something is in the pipeline. Just throwing it out there.
I think the players do know something. That if they perform a Premier League side might buy them.
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I thought we were the better team for 85 minutes but Deeney's two goals just summed up the whole season really. At 2-1, it all seemed too good to be true.
Not seen Cissokho's red card back yet but at the time I thought he won the ball.
Oh, and to the absolute fucking twat who started throwing coins at the Watford fans after the 3rd goal and didn't like it when I had a go at him, then I hope you're proud of yourself. Utter arsehole.
It was a red card Clamps. As clear as day. He knew exactly what he was doing when the ball came loose after the initial challenge. Bloody buffoon.
Good on you for having a word with that idiot too.
I've seen it again now and yes, he can't have too many complaints, although he did win the initial ball.
The brave prick. Hopefully cctv will catch him and well done Clampy for having a word. Anyway, sigh, but I'm glad I felt gutted as it shows there's some emotion still there. Poor keeping it good free-kick for the first? Can't decide. Second , great ball in but how did Deeney (Even sounds like a Nose surname) get free. The third was put away well but there was an element of huge good fortune how it came back to him perfectly.
We played some decent stuff but again easily caught out by one ball that ended with for Cissokho hopefully playing his last game. At that stage we were looking the most likely to score.
I actually thought the Sinclair sub made sense. 10 men, replacing an injured player, and we were defending deeper and deeper. We needed someone to get hold of the ball and run with it. A mixture of panic, nerves, poor defending, and misfortune did for us.
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I don't normally post but I'd like to echo Frank's words about the atmosphere in the away end yesterday. It was the most fun I have had at a Villa game for ages and the way we clapped off the team at the end was great. Deserved or not, I hated the abuse Lescott got at the Southampton game, and I was pleased to see him clap us at the end, I'm not sure I would have done that in his position. They worked hard yesterday, of course they should have done this months ago, but they didn't let us down and there aren't many times you can say that recently.
I live locally so went with some Watford fans and we had a few pints in the horrible Wetherspoons on the high street. Our lot did us proud singing constantly for 2 hours before the game, and we sung almost continually throughout the game. Our fans are great.
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I thought we were the better team for 85 minutes but Deeney's two goals just summed up the whole season really. At 2-1, it all seemed too good to be true.
Not seen Cissokho's red card back yet but at the time I thought he won the ball.
Oh, and to the absolute fucking twat who started throwing coins at the Watford fans after the 3rd goal and didn't like it when I had a go at him, then I hope you're proud of yourself. Utter arsehole.
It was a red card Clamps. As clear as day. He knew exactly what he was doing when the ball came loose after the initial challenge. Bloody buffoon.
Good on you for having a word with that idiot too.
I've seen it again now and yes, he can't have too many complaints, although he did win the initial ball.
The brave prick. Hopefully cctv will catch him and well done Clampy for having a word. Anyway, sigh, but I'm glad I felt gutted as it shows there's some emotion still there. Poor keeping it good free-kick for the first? Can't decide. Second , great ball in but how did Deeney (Even sounds like a Nose surname) get free. The third was put away well but there was an element of huge good fortune how it came back to him perfectly.
We played some decent stuff but again easily caught out by one ball that ended with for Cissokho hopefully playing his last game. At that stage we were looking the most likely to score.
I actually thought the Sinclair sub made sense. 10 men, replacing an injured player, and we were defending deeper and deeper. We needed someone to get hold of the ball and run with it. A mixture of panic, nerves, poor defending, and misfortune did for us.
Thanks.I don't get easily annoyed but he was just an absolute twat, at one point climbing over chairs to get nearer to their fans. A couple of mates had to stand in between us both at one point to calm it down. There's always one I suppose.
I'd forgot to mention Bunn for the free kick. I saw it again this morning and he's positioning could have been better.
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Nothing to do with yesterday but the one major positive of the season is that we didn't have Adebayor in the squad. Just imagine the trouble Agbonlahor Richards and Adebayor would have caused between them.
Perhaps we should be grateful for small mercies. We have very little to be positive about except perhaps Jordan Ayew.
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Agree with frank and Nicky's comments - there was a much better showing from the players and the fans responded by being more supportive yesterday...a rare positive Villa performance...until the last 5 minutes...snatching defeat from the jaws of victory! You couldn't make it up could you?
Thought we played well generally except for Bunn for their free kick, marking for their second and Gestede's blast over the bar into row Z.
Gana, Toner (in spite of his miss), Clark, Hutton, Westwood, Ayew all had decent games. Bringing Sinclair on was WRONG...Veretout was the obvious choice...but FFS how does Bacuna get into any team - contributed almost zero and even that was shite.
Deeney! Why?
A lot of pain at the end, when we had at last shown something resembling spirit and got ourselves into a winning position.
nb: thought Watford fans were the most passive I had ever witnessed until their rousing cheers and singing after they had scored their third in the 95th minute...until then, nothing! Twats!
and...the "concourse" in the away end - just a bit of a corridor with toilets!
To think that THEY are sitting comfy mid-table and WE are.......?
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A word to all the Villa fans yesterday- I found myself in the opposite stand and the noise created by the Villa faithful was out of this world. Well done to all, the Watford fans around me were very complimentary and really enjoyed the Gallows humour- one comment from a bloke behind me summed it up-' this team doesn't deserve fans like these'.
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Take heart Frank. If that tin pot outfit can achieve Premiership security we should be able to do it. I have never forgiven that lot for the policing tactic of makings us walk around the allotments for an hour until their tin pot fans had all safely got to their transport and gone home.
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Have some of the players got another source of income?
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I thought we were the better team for 85 minutes but Deeney's two goals just summed up the whole season really. At 2-1, it all seemed too good to be true.
Not seen Cissokho's red card back yet but at the time I thought he won the ball.
Oh, and to the absolute fucking twat who started throwing coins at the Watford fans after the 3rd goal and didn't like it when I had a go at him, then I hope you're proud of yourself. Utter arsehole.
It was a red card Clamps. As clear as day. He knew exactly what he was doing when the ball came loose after the initial challenge. Bloody buffoon.
Good on you for having a word with that idiot too.
I've seen it again now and yes, he can't have too many complaints, although he did win the initial ball.
Have to say that I thought he played the ball first, too.
Daft challenge, but, unlucky for me.
In my defence, it wasn't the clearest video link.
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Take heart Frank. If that tin pot outfit can achieve Premiership security we should be able to do it. I have never forgiven that lot for the policing tactic of makings us walk around the allotments for an hour until their tin pot fans had all safely got to their transport and gone home.
I'd been to Watford only once before yesterday (the Delaney winner) but I spent the pre-match session with Dave Clark Five, late of this parish, and he had tales of scrambling over the allotments in the old days.
Talking of policing, one ground I won't go back to next season is Millwall. After the cup game in January 2013 they kept the away fans penned in for an eternity. I thought we'd moved on from the 1980's, but clearly not at Millwall
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I thought we were the better team for 85 minutes but Deeney's two goals just summed up the whole season really. At 2-1, it all seemed too good to be true.
Not seen Cissokho's red card back yet but at the time I thought he won the ball.
Oh, and to the absolute fucking twat who started throwing coins at the Watford fans after the 3rd goal and didn't like it when I had a go at him, then I hope you're proud of yourself. Utter arsehole.
It was a red card Clamps. As clear as day. He knew exactly what he was doing when the ball came loose after the initial challenge. Bloody buffoon.
Good on you for having a word with that idiot too.
I've seen it again now and yes, he can't have too many complaints, although he did win the initial ball.
Have to say that I thought he played the ball first, too.
Daft challenge, but, unlucky for me.
In my defence, it wasn't the clearest video link.
I've only seen the challenge on a crap video too, but it looked like he initially won the ball and then deliberately lifted his foot/leg up further in order to bring the forward down. The tosser.
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Frank I remember it well and have retold the story of the Millwall kettling at length. It was as close as I have ever been to death at a football ground. The temperature in the cattle pen dropped to minus 5C. We were then forced by the coppers to go to London Bridge whether we wanted to or not. All that and two coach loads of our fans were ambushed after the game. For good measure my opinion is that the game had what the British Horseracing Authority call "irregular betting patterns". Horrible game, horrible memories. Throw coins at that lot and they will throw six inch bolts back at you.
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Frank I remember it well and have retold the story of the Millwall kettling at length. It was as close as I have ever been to death at a football ground. The temperature in the cattle pen dropped to minus 5C. We were then forced by the coppers to go to London Bridge whether we wanted to or not. All that and two coach loads of our fans were ambushed after the game. For good measure my opinion is that the game had what the British Horseracing Authority call "irregular betting patterns". Horrible game, horrible memories. Throw coins at that lot and they will throw six inch bolts back at you.
You must've got 'Wall mixed up with someone else Brian. They're all pwoppa diamond geezers and help old ladies across the road. Oh, and their mums love 'em. Obviously. :)
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I visited Millwall a couple of times back in the 70s and have to say i will never set foot there again. According to my Wolves supporting friend who went there last season the New Den is no better than the old one. Nasty atmosphere and very intimidating Rather like St Andrews .
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I went to the cup game a few season's back as well. The whole night just summed up Millwall, it was fucking horrible.
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Frank I remember it well and have retold the story of the Millwall kettling at length. It was as close as I have ever been to death at a football ground. The temperature in the cattle pen dropped to minus 5C. We were then forced by the coppers to go to London Bridge whether we wanted to or not. All that and two coach loads of our fans were ambushed after the game. For good measure my opinion is that the game had what the British Horseracing Authority call "irregular betting patterns". Horrible game, horrible memories. Throw coins at that lot and they will throw six inch bolts back at you.
The Met went one better with a mate who went there with Blues for their play off semi, after the game they made him get on a coach back to Bham. His car was outside the ground. He had to go back the next day.
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And my late father in law was hospitalised at the Den in the 1950s.
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Well at least we are now actually scoring some goals, and our games resemble something of a contrast, that's an improvement right? ;) This did very much have the feel of a Sherwood game like the one at the Walkers in September. Anyew is one player I hope we can hold onto next year.
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Showing now sky sports
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Last word about horrible Millwall. At the time of the infamous cup game my son lived two streets away from the ground. Final whistle at 9.40 pm. We got home at 2.40 am. The shape of things to come.
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My other half thinks I have super powers after yesterday. I had no interest in the game so was happy to do the jobs she had lined up. At half four she made us a cup of tea and told me that we were winning, "we'll still lose" says I. We put Sky on just as they announced the second" "oh well, at least you have got a draw" says she. "No, there's still injury time, we"ll find a way".
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Could have done without Harry The Hornet running up and down in front of the Villa end, pointing at the Premier League badge on his arm.
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My other half thinks I have super powers after yesterday. I had no interest in the game so was happy to do the jobs she had lined up. At half four she made us a cup of tea and told me that we were winning, "we'll still lose" says I. We put Sky on just as they announced the second" "oh well, at least you have got a draw" says she. "No, there's still injury time, we"ll find a way".
;D
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Could have done without Harry The Hornet running up and down in front of the Villa end, pointing at the Premier League badge on his arm.
And banging that f'ing drum
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How about their way-too-old ballboy running onto the pitch to put the ball down for Bunn to take a goal kick. That's not supposed to happen is it ?
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I bet you didn't have a bloke going into a bush to try and find the ball like we did yesterday!
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I visited Millwall a couple of times back in the 70s and have to say i will never set foot there again. According to my Wolves supporting friend who went there last season the New Den is no better than the old one. Nasty atmosphere and very intimidating Rather like St Andrews .
Two games that I won't be doing next season are away at St Andrews and Millwall (if they come up). Its just not worth the hassle
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I visited Millwall a couple of times back in the 70s and have to say i will never set foot there again. According to my Wolves supporting friend who went there last season the New Den is no better than the old one. Nasty atmosphere and very intimidating Rather like St Andrews .
Two games that I won't be doing next season are away at St Andrews and Millwall (if they come up). Its just not worth the hassle
I agree
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I shall give Leeds a miss as well.
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What was the chant at the end?
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"Easy, easy, easy"
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Trips to places like leeds and Millwall it's like the 70's all over again. The modern football fan won't quite able to get his head around it but to the one's like me who ate a little longer in the tooth it will be like going back in time. Not saying that is a good thing it's just the way things were years ago and you dealt with it. Catching the tube to West Ham was always a heart in the mouth experience...I think I'm too old for it these days so will choose my away days.
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Some of the videos of the away end yesterday have had me in stitches. I applaud you all.
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Some of the videos of the away end yesterday have had me in stitches. I applaud you all.
If I have enjoyed one thing since Xmas it has been the total disregard of opposition fans and their bemusement as we out-pisstake them at our own ineptitude - the fact Everton and Saints fans have actually joined in at home is a bonus. The noise we have made away from home is laudable and I raise a glass to every one of you. Keep it up at home now...
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There is no safer ground than the New Den. Avoid Tower Bridge and the pavement dancers and you'll only see half a dozen cap ends offering you out from the second tier of a stand.
You might get penned in on the school playground while the hard of thought are pushed on, but that's about it. I wasn't around in the 70s, but I doubt that it was anything like the other year. The was trouble before that game bet you won't have seen it.
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Like Brian,i will give Leeds a miss next season .For years i use to go to Leeds home matches if Villa were not playing .My best mate who lived in Brum but was Leeds mad use to invite me on to their supporters coaches which picked up outside the Rotunda.Was a strange feeling sitting amongst hordes of Leeds fans but they were fine about it.
One thing i did discover was just how evil some of the Leeds fans were .They were always up for the games against the better supported clubs like Villa and i was thankful i was with my Leeds mate at times.Another ground worth missing if they come up is Bradford ,i have been there three times and three times it has kicked off.
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Anyone know anything about Gana and Ayew 'confronting' fans at Watford as being reported in the Express and Star (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2016/05/01/aston-villas-jordan-ayew-and-idrissa-gana-could-face-rap-for-row-with-fans/)?
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Anyone know anything about Gana and Ayew 'confronting' fans at Watford as being reported in the Express and Star (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2016/05/01/aston-villas-jordan-ayew-and-idrissa-gana-could-face-rap-for-row-with-fans/)?
Another day: another slice of crap concerning our broken club. Smashin'. That said, I guess at least there's a wee bit of comedy value in players having hissy-fits in front of the Elton John Stand.
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I've only ever been to Leeds once, we drew 1-1 and Hassan Kachloul (rememeber him) scored a belter for us. I thought it was ok to be honest, didn't have any trouble at all. We even drank in a pub with a few of them in and they were fine.
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Anyone know anything about Gana and Ayew 'confronting' fans at Watford as being reported in the Express and Star (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2016/05/01/aston-villas-jordan-ayew-and-idrissa-gana-could-face-rap-for-row-with-fans/)?
Another day: another slice of crap concerning our broken club. Smashin'. That said, I guess at least there's a wee bit of comedy value in players having a hissy-fits in front of the Elton John Stand.
The stand with the lyrics wrote along the top. You can't buy class.
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Anyone know anything about Gana and Ayew 'confronting' fans at Watford as being reported in the Express and Star (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2016/05/01/aston-villas-jordan-ayew-and-idrissa-gana-could-face-rap-for-row-with-fans/)?
Another day: another slice of crap concerning our broken club. Smashin'. That said, I guess at least there's a wee bit of comedy value in players having a hissy-fits in front of the Elton John Stand.
The stand with the lyrics wrote along the top. You can't buy class.
Bootiful. ::)
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There's never any bother with Leeds at Elland Road.
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There's never any bother with Leeds at Elland Road.
I went nearly every season in the 90s until they went down, never saw any bother. Decent fans, on the whole.
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Millwall must be one of the safest away games now. You are kept in for ages after the game, in the compound at the side of the stand. If you keep quiet and don't gob off its safe to get to there's a caged gulley straight off the train station to the away end.
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Millwall must be one of the safest away games now. You are kept in for ages after the game, in the compound at the side of the stand. If you keep quiet and don't gob off its safe to get to there's a caged gulley straight off the train station to the away end.
You could argue that if you're kept in for ages and you have to walk through a caged Gulley, it's not safe.
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There's never any bother with Leeds at Elland Road.
I went nearly every season in the 90s until they went down, never saw any bother. Decent fans, on the whole.
About five of us drank in the Torch before the Wembley 96 final - it was choc full of Leeds, and they were absolutely brilliant. Loads of banter, no bother, really good lads.
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I would imagine that the problems won't be so much at the likes of Leeds and Millwall, but, regrettably, rather at places where certain sections of our support will rock up and act both hard and like they're slumming it.
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Leeds was where the copper tried to attack us in the car park. Baton wielding whilst on horse back like some medieval knight. Made all the better because we had no idea why.
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I would imagine that the problems won't be so much at the likes of Leeds and Millwall, but, regrettably, rather at places where certain sections of our support will rock up and act both hard and like they're slumming it.
Yeah I was thinking that. There shouldn't be any Billy big bollocks behaviour. Turn up in our droves to support the lads and remember were playing at those grounds because we (the team anyway) deserve it.
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Sky Sports (No News Is Good) News:
The Football Association is investigating Aston Villa's Jordan Ayew and Idrissa Gueye over an alleged incident at Watford on Saturday, Sky Sports News HQ understands.
Ayew - who scored one of Villa's goals in the 3-2 defeat - and Gueye reportedly entered the Elton John Stand at Vicarage Road and confronted Watford fans who had been taunting them.
The FA are aware of the incident and are waiting to see the match officials' report.
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Sky Sports (No News Is Good) News:
The Football Association is investigating Aston Villa's Jordan Ayew and Idrissa Gueye over an alleged incident at Watford on Saturday, Sky Sports News HQ understands.
Ayew - who scored one of Villa's goals in the 3-2 defeat - and Gueye reportedly entered the Elton John Stand at Vicarage Road and confronted Watford fans who had been taunting them.
The FA are aware of the incident and are waiting to see the match officials' report.
I worried at first that they'd confronted Villa fans, which would have been absolutely gutting considering Ayew has been one of the few players who appears to care and is reasonably popular.
That said if true this is silly and yet more needless behaviour.
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I just hope it's not race related
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I would imagine that the problems won't be so much at the likes of Leeds and Millwall, but, regrettably, rather at places where certain sections of our support will rock up and act both hard and like they're slumming it.
Yeah I was thinking that. There shouldn't be any Billy big bollocks behaviour. Turn up in our droves to support the lads and remember were playing at those grounds because we (the team anyway) deserve it.
I'm quite worried that our moron element with big allocations will be all "what a fucking shithole" etc next season. Hope I'm wrong.
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You'd rather 4000 Villa pretended Huddersfield was the South of France?
I hope we're boorish, on your pitch, fill your shoebox ground, arrogant types for 23 away games where the league are glad to see us go back up. We deserve to be here, but we dont belong here.
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So you want us to act like Man U fans do at Villa Park?
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Yeah. But with less jibbing. They've been the best away fans year in year at Villa Park. Noisy and numbers. the antheisis of their chums up the East Lancs.
We'd not be so try hard obviously as we've got nothing to prove about our credentials.
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There is no safer ground than the New Den. Avoid Tower Bridge and the pavement dancers and you'll only see half a dozen cap ends offering you out from the second tier of a stand.
You might get penned in on the school playground while the hard of thought are pushed on, but that's about it. I wasn't around in the 70s, but I doubt that it was anything like the other year. The was trouble before that game bet you won't have seen it.
All grounds are safe these days, that's not really the issue with Millwall. No pubs anywhere near the ground are safe, there are mobs of 'Wall fans checking out the pubs near London Bridge station ( which I think is what you meant when you said Tower Bridge) for away fans and the only way to the ground on public transport is via London Bridge station, which is invariably crawling with their fans. The journey from there to South Bermondsey is no fun either. When we played there, I think there were about 5 of us on a train absolutely packed with moody Millwall fans. The locals refer to the covered walkway for the away fans as "Cowards' Way". And away coaches driving back up the Old Kent Road usually make great target practice. Their lunatic-to-fan ratio is unrivalled. I know it's nothing like as bad as the 80s but anyone who thinks that Millwall is just another away game is completely wrong.
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When I went to the old Den (it was the game where Kevin Gage got totalled in the first few minutes by an agricultural tackle that would be a nailed-on straight red now) we were kept in the ground for that long after the game that the Villa players were showered, suited and getting on the coach by the time they let us out.