Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: eddiemunster on April 03, 2016, 12:39:07 PM
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I didn't realise, that we got rid of this waste of space on the 23rd May 2012, when his contract ran out.......only for some fucking idiot to go and re-sign him on 16th July 2012. And that was just 46 days before we signed our "Midfield Superstar" Ashley Pointing-Westwood from Crewe.
Dario Gradi must have pissed himself, laughing all the way to the bank.
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You're ignoring that Guzan actually played really well from 2012-2014. It's only the last two seasons when he has gone downhill rapidly.
And as for Westwood, we signed a player with potential. That hasn't been the problem - the problem has been the utter lack of ability to develop players and the fact that he's been a first team regular from the start rather than a squad filler developed slowly.
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If I remember rightly, Guzan had a good record of saving penalties too. He looked like a really capable number two, but not a first choice keeper. Sadly this is still the case.
Westwood, has at least been consistent throughout. Just simply not good enough for this level of football.
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Guzan doesn't come in for the same level of dislike as Richards in my opinion. He's well short on confidence and it does cause errors and yeah that's cost us many more times than normal. He's been let down by his defences and poor management which has almost exposed his frailties, rather than encouraged his strengths.
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Guzan is one of the lesser evils at the club. It's not his fault that he is ultimately not up to the standard required. Sherwoods gross mismanagement of him at the end of last season hasn't helped mind
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Guzan is one of the lesser evils at the club. It's not his fault that he is ultimately not up to the standard required. Sherwoods gross mismanagement of him at the end of last season hasn't helped mind
I'm not sure dropping him because he kept making howlers could be considered "gross mismanagement". What was gross mismanagement by Sherwood was giving up on buying a first choice keeper after failing to sign Begovic and starting the season with Guzan as number one again.
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You're ignoring that Guzan actually played really well from 2012-2014. It's only the last two seasons when he has gone downhill rapidly.
And as for Westwood, we signed a player with potential. That hasn't been the problem - the problem has been the utter lack of ability to develop players and the fact that he's been a first team regular from the start rather than a squad filler developed slowly.
Agree.
Along with Benteke he kept us in the Prem 2 seasons on the bounce.
It hasn't helped having a defence with more holes than a colander and with the pace of a sloth in front of him.
I noticed yesterday the amount of time Cortois failed to hold on to the ball. We failed to punish this on several occasions.
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I didn't realise, that we got rid of this waste of space on the 23rd May 2012, when his contract ran out.......only for some fucking idiot to go and re-sign him on 16th July 2012. And that was just 46 days before we signed our "Midfield Superstar" Ashley Pointing-Westwood from Crewe.
Dario Gradi must have pissed himself, laughing all the way to the bank.
Funny how our memories play tricks on us.
Guzan has been a decent but not outstanding keeper until the last 18 months. However for best part of 4 seasons he has played behind the worst Villa defence in the Premier league era. Now he is shot and needs to move on. I certainly would not pillory any member of the club for re-signing him in 2012.
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I was never a fan of Guzan and wasn't impressed at re-signing him. But then he had a great season and as much as benteke and his goals he played a huge part in keeping us up. That save from Samba v QPR was as pivotal as any benteke goal. But then last season he started to wane but I think it was a mistake to drop him after Man City and his form this season, and at times his attitude, have been just rotten. One of the ones that need to be dumped. If Chelsea's reserve keeper is up for it I'd go for him - if not maybe Myhill.r
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I thought Given was very unlucky to be dropped after one ropey game against Everton at home, when he had been our best player in 2011/12.
That said Baby Brad came in and became undroppable. A very good keeper with us for a number of years, who I am sure could have forced a move if he had Bacuna levels of self delusion.
He started going off the boil last season and needed to be replaced. Maybe not bombed out completely at that stage, but no longer a guaranteed no 1.
Not getting Adebeyor and deciding not to try for any other forward and doing the same after Begovic has probably relegated us.
We would have still been a struggling side I reckon even with a better keeper and forward this season, but we would have been more competitive.
As it stands, we don't look like we have a goal in us and we have a keeper who always looks capable of throwing one in. It is very difficult to work around one of those handicaps. Two means we are where we are.
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He was excellent the first season under Lambert, very good the second and has been in decline the last two. His confidence must be shot though playing behind our defence for the last 4 years.
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I thought Given was very unlucky to be dropped after one ropey game against Everton at home, when he had been our best player in 2011/12.
Eh? He was really good in one crucial late match against West Brom. Other than that he was nothing more than mediocre.
If you want to talk about people being unlucky to be dropped, Guzan should have been our keeper from Christmas onwards in 11/12, as he performed much better than what had gone before, only to be punted back to the bench once Given was fit again.
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Never rated him from day one. Sure we can dig out class saves but you can do that to any keeper out there, but he was never up to the job for me. Both him and Westwood sum up our decline for me. We let him go when we realised he wasn't good enough only to resign him when we realised we couldn't afford a better keeper.
The sooner he's gone the better.
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I thought Given was very unlucky to be dropped after one ropey game against Everton at home, when he had been our best player in 2011/12.
Eh? He was really good in one crucial late match against West Brom. Other than that he was nothing more than mediocre.
If you want to talk about people being unlucky to be dropped, Guzan should have been our keeper from Christmas onwards in 11/12, as he performed much better than what had gone before, only to be punted back to the bench once Given was fit again.
Given kept us in quite a few games that season.
He was always a bit of a pussy when it came to crosses and dominating the area, but as a shot-stopper he was still as good as anything in the country at that time.
Stephen Ireland got Player of the Season for a decent second half to the campaign. If Keane had stayed longer, he would have walked the thing.
But Given over the course of that season was our most important player for me. A side that didn't score many and didn't create a whole lot of chances needed a good keeper, and thankfully we had one back then.
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I was never a fan of Guzan and wasn't impressed at re-signing him. But then he had a great season and as much as benteke and his goals he played a huge part in keeping us up. That save from Samba v QPR was as pivotal as any benteke goal. But then last season he started to wane but I think it was a mistake to drop him after Man City and his form this season, and at times his attitude, have been just rotten. One of the ones that need to be dumped. If Chelsea's reserve keeper is up for it I'd go for him - if not maybe Myhill.r
Wow, really? He was absolutely negligent for Man City's first goal in that game, and not for the first time. To me it was about time.
Overall, he'd played well for two seasons after Given had rightfully been dropped for that ropey early-season game against Everton, but for the last two years has been poor.
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If I didn't know he was just shit, I would have thought he was taking a bung some of the goals he has conceded. I have never seen a keeper beaten on his near post so often and the free kick against Swansea, he might have just stood by the corner flag he gave Siggurdson so much room.
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I'm not sure what happened at the bench at Wycombe with Lescott, but prior to that I would have said Guzan has more or less kept his head down through the ups and downs he has had. I'll always have fond memories of his Bosnich-esque saves at Sunderland. I'd also agree that his saves helped keep us up in at least one season.
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Our very own Bruce Grobbelaar..
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Our very own Bruce Grobbelaar..
He wishes he was remotely close to Grobbelaar in ability.
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I wasn't referring to Bruce's ability.
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No doubt he's been in decline for the last season and a half. One way or another he needs a new defence/team in front of him, under a manager that believes in him. Whether that's with us or somewhere else.
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I wasn't referring to Bruce's ability.
Bruce's comedy and mistakes were few in comparison to the consistent performances he put in for Liverpool. Brad is also consistent, just not the good variety.
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A shame as he's been a good servant to the club (we'd never have reached 2010 carling cup final without him let's not forget) but he needs to be moved on for his own good now, he knows it aswell.
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If I didn't know he was just shit, I would have thought he was taking a bung some of the goals he has conceded. I have never seen a keeper beaten on his near post so often and the free kick against Swansea, he might have just stood by the corner flag he gave Siggurdson so much room.
Added to his mistakes, there is his poor distribution which has been there from the start.
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If I didn't know he was just shit, I would have thought he was taking a bung some of the goals he has conceded. I have never seen a keeper beaten on his near post so often and the free kick against Swansea, he might have just stood by the corner flag he gave Siggurdson so much room.
Added to his mistakes, there is his poor distribution which has been there from the start.
Its surprising after all this time that there hasn't been any improvement in that aspect of his game.
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Of the many strange things about Guzan one of the most frustrating is his kicking. If you watch him warm up with his coach he alternates clearance kicks with his left and his right foot. His right foot kicking is reasonable and competent. In matches he constantly wrong foots himself to kick with his left foot. There was a clear example in the first half against Chelsea when the ball came back to him pursued by a Chelsea forward. It fell to Guzan's right. With his right foot he could have made a clean, well directed kick. Instead he scythed at it with his left and it went for a Chelsea throw. It could have gone anywhere. I think he is another like N'Zogbia and Richards. Uncoachable.
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I was never a fan of Guzan and wasn't impressed at re-signing him. But then he had a great season and as much as benteke and his goals he played a huge part in keeping us up. That save from Samba v QPR was as pivotal as any benteke goal. But then last season he started to wane but I think it was a mistake to drop him after Man City and his form this season, and at times his attitude, have been just rotten. One of the ones that need to be dumped. If Chelsea's reserve keeper is up for it I'd go for him - if not maybe Myhill.r
Wow, really? He was absolutely negligent for Man City's first goal in that game, and not for the first time. To me it was about time.
Overall, he'd played well for two seasons after Given had rightfully been dropped for that ropey early-season game against Everton, but for the last two years has been poor.
But Given was poor which he proved after that. Given (not Shay...) that they were our options I would have stayed with Guzan for the season.
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Its like Bluenose Aliens have kidnapped the real Guzan and replaced him with a clueless idiot that has no connect between his brain and hands. I can only assume he has some pre agreement with an MLS club for next season and just doesn't give a shit anymore. Last weeks clanger at Swansea and Saturdays pathetic attempt to parry the ball allowing Chelsea to score was Enckleman-esque. Stick Bunn or Brad Watkins in for the remaining games.
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He's shit. I think it was the third goal on Saturday, I'm sixty-seven FFS and I'd have made a better fist of it than that. Palmed the fucking thing straight back to the Chavski player and boom! Thank you very much. Fuck him off asap. Ranks up there with some of the worst Villa goalkeepers I've seen, and to be fair, there haven't been that many out and out bad ones.
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He's shit. I think it was the third goal on Saturday, I'm sixty-seven FFS and I'd have made a better fist of it than that. Palmed the fucking thing straight back to the Chavski player and boom! Thank you very much. Fuck him off asap. Ranks up there with some of the worst Villa goalkeepers I've seen, and to be fair, there haven't been that many out and out bad ones.
I felt the difference between Guzan and Cortios on Saturday was the defence and speed of thought of the striker.
Cortios made several handing errors, which, had we a Darren Bent, Gary Shaw or Brian Little up front, would have been punished.
Guzan parries one, not a great parry I grant you, and the defence stand static while the striker waltzes in unchallenged to score.
Yes, Guzan is certainly off for, but, I reckon any keeper would struggle behind our back four
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He's a capable number 13 but never in a million years number 1
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I think people forget just how good he was back in Lambert's first two seasons. That's understandable, it is pretty hard to see through the steam rising of the B6 turds at the moment.
However, he won our player of the year in a season when Benteke scored 19 league goals and was fully deserving of it. He barely made a mistake all season, came for way more crosses than any other keeper in the league and made some great saves in the run in. He was also great the following season. He has massively declined in the last 12-15 months and chuff knows why that is. But it's a shame to see him struggling and receiving so much bile.
By all accounts he had always been a good character to have around the dressing room so I guess it's the chewing gum incident that has clouded most views of his personality. Coupled with boiling frustrations at some admittedly terrible errors.
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I think people forget just how good he was back in Lambert's first two seasons. That's understandable, it is pretty hard to see through the steam rising of the B6 turds at the moment.
However, he won our player of the year in a season when Benteke scored 19 league goals and was fully deserving of it. He barely made a mistake all season, came for way more crosses than any other keeper in the league and made some great saves in the run in. He was also great the following season. He has massively declined in the last 12-15 months and chuff knows why that is. But it's a shame to see him struggling and receiving so much bile.
By all accounts he had always been a good character to have around the dressing room so I guess it's the chewing gum incident that has clouded most views of his personality. Coupled with boiling frustrations at some admittedly terrible errors.
fully agree with that Olof. Loss of confidence coupled with no defence in front of him have turned him into a pale shadow of his former self. Question is, can he ever recover while at Villa?