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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on April 02, 2016, 10:43:34 PM
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Reality is nearly here. Tbh I'm just glad it's nearly all over, I've long since given up caring for the matches. Today I watched the first half in a pub in Woodseats in Sheffield, just shrugged my shoulders and left at half time and only checked the score at full time.
Anyway lose next week to Bournemouth and we will be mathematically relegated if Norwich pick up a point at Palace. Even a draw we're officially down with a Norwich win.
The state we're in it's very likely to happen.
How will you react at the final whistle next week if you're in the ground at that point. I think any Villa player that dares to come within 50 yards of the Holte End will be met with a shower of abuse, let's not let them off the hook and forget what they've inflicted on us this season.
A horrible horrible team that dosen't even fight for the shirt. We are a disgrace to this league so I'm certainly going to let them know what I think of them at the end of the game next Saturday.
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Glad I'm not there to be honest, far bett things to do than spend money on watching these c**ts, I'm cycling the Paris Roubaix. Fuck 'em.
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Meh
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A shrug, a half hearted fuck off. I'm fully prepared for it, because it is inevitable. There will be zero shock, and what's the point of getting angry? I am just hoping as I am right at this minute that the club now is being put into some kind of order that this s never allowed to happen again.
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I'll be relieved it's done.
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Was sat in the pub with three other season card holders about quarter to five this afternoon watching the scores coming in and willing Norwich to get a winnerjust so that the end will be a bit closer.
Ultimately, I don't know what I'll do at full time next week. It might be a shrug of the shoulders; it might be an full on foul-mouthed assult of our players wastes of space. To be fair whatever the reaction the cause won't be a surprise. We've won three games all season.
Three fucking games.
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It will be a relief. But it's a joke that the team is just going to drift towards the seasons end.
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My reaction will be: Thank you Randy Lerner, now f**k off!
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Honestly I am hoping that it signals the end of certain Villa careers. Black should not again pick Richards, Guzan and Gabby just because of their attitudes. Bacuna, Cissokho and Westwood fall then into the utterly shit category so I'd ditch them too. As we can't drop everyone others will fall into we are playing them because we have to category like Gestede or Gil. I would play younger players who will feature more prominently next season. Let them go out and express themselves. But the last thing we need is the wanker experienced players just continuing to go through the motions for the rest of the season because that will massively fuck everyone off.
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Totally given up on this year, didn't go today to witness the inevitable, so for me it matters not. It's inevitable, more interested in what we are going to do about it.
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I might have a cup of tea and a lie down.
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I think Palace will beat Norwich after they got a point today so it will rumble on to my local game the week after.
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If you are going down this is the way to do it. No last day drama, no sob stories from the players. Time to prepare for next season.
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Taking my 5 year old to his first game v Bournemouth. It's his own fault for asking for a Stoke City shirt.
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If you are going down this is the way to do it. No last day drama, no sob stories from the players. Time to prepare for next season.
If Carlsburg did relegations...
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I will be up to my neck in work, so I hopefully wont even have time to register it.
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Taking my 5 year old to his first game v Bournemouth. It's his own fault for asking for a Stoke City shirt.
That put an actual smile on my face. Thank you!
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It will make no difference for me. I accepted relegation in January and it's nothing more than that bunch of oxygen thieves deserve. What staggers me is that these so called professional players seem to have no shame or embarrassment at their piss poor performance and no doubt will be grinning like Cheshire cats every payday. Utterly disgraceful disrespectful shower of shit. The sooner they leave the club the better. They deserve every bit of vitriol they get.
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I can't wait. Had enough. We are an embarrassment.
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In the overall scheme of things it's a game of football at the end of the day. Football should be there as a pleasant distraction to the pressures of adult life however it's been the opposite recently. There are far more important things in life, health, your family. Chins up cheers up, it's but a drop in the ocean of life.
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Who cares?
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I do. Beat Bournemouth and I just need one more victory (preferably against the Barcodes) to win my bet with Risso.
Relegation doesn't bother me now, it's what happens between now and the new season that concerns me. I'm quite looking forward to it but the thought of playing a competitive league local derby game against Burton Albion brings the reality home.
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I don't think we'll be relegated next weekend, it will drag on a bit longer.
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It will be a blessed relief. We have been dead men walking since January imo. Counting the matches I have to go to, don't know why I go really, looking forward to next season wanted this one to finish two months ago. Unfortunately I don't think we will get relegated next weekend, so the pain goes on at least another week.
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Wouldn't be surprised if a few go on afterwards and let them know to their faces what a great job they've done in getting us relegated.
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I think it will be cause for celebration...it will hopefully be the first day on the path to getting our Villa back.
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For the last home game, everyone should walk out 5 minutes before time so that the ground is empty of home fans at the final whistle.
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I'm going on the pitch to chase Lescott, it will be the fastest he's run all season.
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I think they will do that anyway OMVF, spontaneously.
Most important things in life come in threes. Something very nasty appeared like a speck on the horizon at the Cup Final ten months ago. With a far better team than we have now that included Benteke, Delph and Cleverley we were humiliated and were lucky not to concede ten goals. Not a shot on goal, not a corner. I could not believe how bad we had become since the semi final. I remember looking at Sherwood on the touchline with minutes to play with his head bowed and his hands in his pockets and realising Villa had simply fallen apart terminally.
The horror on the horizon drew closer with the pathetic losses to the poorer teams in the opening games of the season. The Notts County game confirmed how bad we were and without the human sacrifice that was Adama Traore we would have lost that game.
Like the Pale Rider of the Book of Revelations, the beast rode into Villa Park and revealed himself to us all on 1st February when we knew the board had accepted relegation. Remi Garde was hung out to dry and would ultimately be made to pay for five years of the owner's, the board's, the previous five managers', the back up staff's and the players' collective ineptitude.
February 1st 2016 was the day we lost our Premiership status. Everything since has been the sound and fury of the inevitable.
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Relegation can't come soon enough hopefully next weeks final whistle will signal the start of the player cull we all want to happen and the new manager coming in to issue most of them with P45s.
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As I am taking my 6 year old I will have to refrain from a torrent of abuse. Perhaps it will be a shrug of the shoulders and a mutterance under my breath.
If it is confirmed I will actually look ahead to next season - a new league,men's teams &hopefully the re building of Aston Villa.
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I think last game everyone out the door on 74 make sure they know we're disgusted with them. Then they won't come out and their certainly won't be any lap of honour
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My wife who is a Thai and does not know alot about football, but she watches it with me every week made a great statement yesterday
Me explaining to her Norwich next week and what it would mean, dead straight faced she replied
'Villa been going down since we've been married" (been married 5 years).
But next week I will be in a bar in Thailand it will be a 9 at night kick off, so I may be in a Chang induced state, not giving one f...
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I think last game everyone out the door on 74 make sure they know we're disgusted with them. Then they won't come out and their certainly won't be any lap of honour
If yesterday is anything to go by we will be long gone by 74. We said at half time that we would clear off if we conceded a third, as I was only just back in my seat when that happened we gave it until the 4th before adjourning to the pub.
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if we only win one more game I like us to beat Newcastle at home to nail their relegation in our relegation party.
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My wife who is a Thai and does not know alot about football, but she watches it with me every week made a great statement yesterday
Me explaining to her Norwich next week and what it would mean, dead straight faced she replied
'Villa been going down since we've been married" (been married 5 years).
But next week I will be in a bar in Thailand it will be a 9 at night kick off, so I may be in a Chang induced state, not giving one f...
Did she follow that up with; "which is more that can be said for you" ;)
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A horrible horrible team that dosen't even fight for the shirt. We are a disgrace to this league so I'm certainly going to let them know what I think of them at the end of the game next Saturday.
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Now Now Red Sox lol
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I'll just shrug my shoulders , look around the place and leave quietly with a few memories of premiership football.
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I'll go to the pub.
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I'll do the Chicken Tonight dance.
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So we could be finally relegated by little Bournemouth. Christ what a shitfest. Thanks, Randy.
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On the pitch
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The only side we could do the double over this season, and a team that just got walloped to boot.
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My wife who is a Thai and does not know alot about football, but she watches it with me every week made a great statement yesterday
Me explaining to her Norwich next week and what it would mean, dead straight faced she replied
'Villa been going down since we've been married" (been married 5 years).
But next week I will be in a bar in Thailand it will be a 9 at night kick off, so I may be in a Chang induced state, not giving one f...
I had a few Chang last night as it was our last full night in Thailand. Didn't bother watching the game as the holiday seems more important now. Flying back into BHX tomorrow lunchtime on the Emirates A380. i hope that runway is long enough!
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OMVF I am over there for 3 matches starting with next Saturdays, so I am sure I will fly back to Oman as a supporter of a Championship side and to be honest no amount of Chang is going to take the pain out of that. Seen us in the 3rd, 2nd , win the 1st and since always in the Prem wank fest, but because of the shit heads that have the privilege to wear the claret and blue these last five years, the money that is awash in the prem and allowing proper run but far smaller clubs pull ever further away from Villa, I believe it is going to be a very long road back.
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Never mind what happens at the final whistle, I'd like our subs for the Bournemouth game to include Richards, Lescott and Agbonlahor and for Black to bring each one of them on at 5 minute intervals during the second half.
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I remember that years ago I read David Platt's autobiography and he talked about when after a particularly bad defeat to a local rival, the entire squad had to go onto the pitch and stand in the centre circle for five minutes before the next game for the crowd to tell them what they thought of them. That could be a fun idea to replicate.
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I hope that for the game Agbonlahor, Richards and Lescott are on the bench and are each brought on in the last 15 minutes so Villa Park can let them know exactly what we think of them.
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I've been mentally resigned to our fate for a long time. You can't dance an elephant jig on a trapdoor season after season and not expect the inevitable. The only thing I've been preoccupied with lately are the various shufflings which will affect who we play in the Championship. Looks as though Small Heath have run out of steam in their efforts to be the biggest team in the city: they'll still be the biggest team in Small Heath. I think I was more concerned that we'd meet Coventry - who now look to have failed in their efforts to rub our nose in it next season. (They seem to still hate us with a passion after that last game in 2001.)
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Never mind what happens at the final whistle, I'd like our subs for the Bournemouth game to include Richards, Lescott and Agbonlahor and for Black to bring each one of them on at 5 minute intervals during the second half.
Just noticed your posts, great minds and all that!
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This will be the first home game me and my son will miss this season, as we are away for the weekend with a Leicester City supporting family, so I will be sulking in my room!
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I'll probably be ordering a beer in the pub, having left soon as Bournemouth scored their 3rd.
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I hope the weather is the same as yesterday, so I can take another nice relaxing walk in the spring sunshine. Cannon Hill Park is very nice this time of year.
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Never mind what happens at the final whistle, I'd like our subs for the Bournemouth game to include Richards, Lescott and Agbonlahor and for Black to bring each one of them on at 5 minute intervals during the second half.
I'd rather they were all brought on for the last 5 minutes at the same time to get a well deserved round of fucks off everyone in attendance the pack of wankers.
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Individually would be far better and then there would be no doubt who it was aimed at.
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I actually want us to lose this game so that the scorn, derision and sheer bile that will be aimed at the players will be even more intense, also, I want Bournemouth to stay up so they need the points a helluva lot more than we do.
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So we could be finally relegated by little Bournemouth. Christ what a shitfest. Thanks, Randy.
Who we managed to beat on the opening day, how ironic
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I'm only going to see how many paper planes land on the pitch
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I actually want us to lose this game so that the scorn, derision and sheer bile tha will be aimed at the players will be even more intense, also, I want Bournemouth to stay up so they need the points a helluva lot more than we do.
Bournemouth already safe.
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We might win
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We might win
If they only field seven players.
...even then I'm not sure we'd even even get a draw.
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We might win
If they only field seven players.
...even then I'm not sure we'd even even get a draw.
True
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Make some changes and make the atmosphere a bit more positive. Its our only chance. Go with the same old same old and we are in trouble. Play Adama. Play Grealish.
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I actually want us to lose this game so that the scorn, derision and sheer bile tha will be aimed at the players will be even more intense, also, I want Bournemouth to stay up so they need the points a helluva lot more than we do.
Bournemouth already safe.
which is an indication of how much I've disconnected over the last few weeks.
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I'll react by doing the same thing I've done for the last however many months. Look at the BBC notifications on my phone every time the opposition score and then put the phone back in my pocket without caring.
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This is our last chance to the double over someone this season. Also our only chance as our other two wins were against sides that had already beaten us.
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We might win
I might win the lottery and take Mila Kunis out for dinner after the game.
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It's not happening next week. It will be at Old Trafford.
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My sons have never been to Villa Park and are desperate to go. We just go to away games in the south. On the down side it would be a 300 mile round trip. So, next Saturday, should we bother?
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We might win
I might win the lottery and take Mila Kunis out for dinner after the game.
and i might have another can of stella in the minute
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My sons have never been to Villa Park and are desperate to go. We just go to away games in the south. On the down side it would be a 300 mile round trip. So, next Saturday, should we bother?
Nope. Wait till next season when we have half a chance of winning. The atmosphere down there right now is - for want of a better word - vile
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Have to agree. Not a great day out at the moment. You'd be watching damaged goods and no refunds are issued if your dissatisfied with the product.
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Don't think it makes that much difference, we've known we've beeen down for awhile, and its not as if the media's covenage of us is going to change. We should have been preparing for the Championship the last month or so anyway.
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Don't think it makes that much difference, we've known we've beeen down for awhile, and its not as if the media's covenage of us is going to change. We should have been preparing for the Championship the last month or so anyway.
I've been ready since December! All a bit previous I know but a chap has to plan ahead...
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We haven't scored in a while so must be due a goal. I think we'll delay the inevitable next week by beating bormuff.
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My lad has a football tournament at 10am and could go on all day so I'm toying with the idea of not bothering with the Bournemouth game at all. Rather watch young kids with desire and passion than those overpaid pricks.
Poor lad has had his first ST this year. Seen one win (Palace was a school night) absolute disgrace. He still wants to go again next season though. Could have killed off other young lads from following us though you'd imagine.
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I'm in work so will probably be annoyed for about 15 minutes then settle down with a beer to enjoy the Grand National at the end of my shift.
So I'll probably be bothered about it for 15 minutes more than the entire playing staff - the useless bunch of shysters!
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I'm surprised the club have the gall to advertise these last few home games as 'competitive fixtures'. They may as well give tickets away. If I didn't have a season ticket, I wouldn't pay to watch this bunch of half-arsed wastrels.
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I'm surprised the club have the gall to advertise these last few home games as 'competitive fixtures'. They may as well give tickets away. If I didn't have a season ticket, I wouldn't pay to watch this bunch of half-arsed wastrels.
snap
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Perversely, I thought about getting tickets for this, just to see the club off. But I know I'd get overwhelmed by the frustration and upset of everybody else. I'd much rather shrug it off at home.
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I'll watch them all troop off. Be grateful that the inevitable has finally happened at and look forward to the club dealing with it and moving on (which looks more likely now than a few weeks back). Then I'll speculate on a more positive season for 2016/17. It'll be my third Villa relegation - each of them has eventually led to some great new moments and experiences -it's the life of a football supporter.
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A word of advice. Anyone choosing to stay until the final whistle, whatever you do, DO NOT put your hand anywhere near your face. If you do, you'll be snapped by the Mail, accused of wiping away tears and plastered across the front page with words 'Tears for Villa' or other such bollocks.
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Be it tomorrow or next Saturday I'd like to see a bit of dignity - we're not bloody coventry city so please no 'we'll be back' banners.
I'm not sure which would be worse, tomorrow at home or away at ot.
Never dreamt I'd be so resigned to something as important to me for so many decades that I'd be facing it with a degree of apathy - my younger self would be absolutely disgusted by me.
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The only tears we want to see is those of the players who have totally humiliated the Club this season.
A Kaiser Chiefs chorus of
"Oh my God I don't believe it"
"Your not fit to ever wear a Villa Shirt"
will sadly not affect their Bank Balances but may cause some embarrassment (wishful thinking on my part no doubt)
Should let the on field inadequates know how the fans feel about them.
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A Kaiser Chiefs chorus of
Let me stop you right there.
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I'll watch them all troop off. Be grateful that the inevitable has finally happened at and look forward to the club dealing with it and moving on (which looks more likely now than a few weeks back). Then I'll speculate on a more positive season for 2016/17. It'll be my third Villa relegation - each of them has eventually led to some great new moments and experiences -it's the life of a football supporter.
This. I don't want to see any Geordie style tears around me. Take it on the chin, keep your head up and get on with it. These lazy, arrogant jokers have embarrassed the club enough without us losing our dignity by blubbing.
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Anyone over the age of ten who stands there sobbing wants to take a long, hard look at themselves in the mirror. Relegation hasn't exactly come as a shock, has it.
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Think on my way out tomorrow I will look around and feel a bit sad thinking of the great opportunity we have missed over the last few years to become a great side. Wasted opportunities that may be hard to come by again. Like James said....if I hadn't seen such riches I could live with being poor.
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You can guarantee some wet flannel will cry tomorrow when we go down, just to get their face on MOTD and in all the papers. There can be no other reason why they would cry, we've been down for months.
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I'm in Tywyn until Sunday, so if tomorrow (sorry, later today) is when it's finally confirmed, I'll only have my two ornament cats to share it with. My real cat, Beautie, will probably be relieved when it is all over - he's 5 in a couple of weeks, and all his life he's had to listen to me complaining about the Villa !
I never for a moment thought I'd live to see relegation from the top table for a third time, I only went to one game in 66-67 - can anyone say when it actually was confirmed then - I know in the two down - two up days as it was then, we finished 21st out 22 and ironically the one game I went to that year (which was my first visit) was a 3-2 win against Blackpool, who finished bottom.
I remember feeling "hollow" when we lost to Sheffield Wed in 1987, was on the Holte End - but if I remember correctly we only had one more game at Man. Utd. that season. I was reading Andy Gray in the Telegraph earlier, saying how after that game he was at Doug's house discussing how we were going to rebuild - all due to respect to Jordan Ayew and Rudi Gestede but if the inevitable happens tomorrow, I couldn't imagine either getting on a plane to discuss immediate matters with Randy !
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I am hoping to look across towards Bournemouth fans and shout 'who are ya' at the few still left in the ground and celebrate a 4-0 win.
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Would that be the same Andy Gray whose famous alleged ultimatum to the club was sell me to anybody I don't care where I go I just want to go? I do not doubt that he went to Doug's house and talked about the future of the club but it was more about Doug's ego than Gray's football foresight. Like Bill Shankly used to phone Bobby Charlton at daybreak every Sunday to talk about the Saturday football.
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As I remember Andy Gray left because he'd fallen out with Ron Suanders and Dennis Mortimer amongst others, and ultimately Doug Ellis was removed from the board over it - although that was a bad time for us with Andy Gray (who along with Gordon Cowans will always be my all time favourite Villa player) wanting to leave, there's no disputing the impact he had between 1975 & 1979.
Even now, you can tell Andy is a Villa man (once a Villa man etc..) - I was merely making the point, that the commitment between all concerned these days can't hold a candle to it compared to 30 years ago.
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Probably with a relatively half-hearted 'Meh'.
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I just hope there are no fake emotions from the likes of Micah Richards etc.
If and when they lose today, do what you've done all season and walk off not giving a shit having given the barest, minimum effort.
Hopefully we'll never see them again wearing our kit.
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I'll be feeling exactly as I've felt since the Jan window. Comfortably Numb.
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As I remember Andy Gray left because he'd fallen out with Ron Suanders and Dennis Mortimer amongst others, and ultimately Doug Ellis was removed from the board over it - although that was a bad time for us with Andy Gray (who along with Gordon Cowans will always be my all time favourite Villa player) wanting to leave, there's no disputing the impact he had between 1975 & 1979.
Even now, you can tell Andy is a Villa man (once a Villa man etc..) - I was merely making the point, that the commitment between all concerned these days can't hold a candle to it compared to 30 years ago.
Andy Gray wanted to leave because he was up to his knackers in debt, I was told.
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Yes, but wasn't there some major thing with him & John Gidman thinking they could get the better of Ron Saunders ?
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I said months ago we will go down at Old Trafford and so it will prove.
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At half time I was actually pretty despairing. Come seventy odd minutes I was rooting for Norwich. I want these bastards out of the club.
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I didn't get to do the Chicken Tonight dance. The useless wankers.
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The answer was frantically checking the phone to see if Norwich had equalised so it would finally all be over.
They hadn't, the twats.
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Would that be the same Andy Gray whose famous alleged ultimatum to the club was sell me to anybody I don't care where I go I just want to go? I do not doubt that he went to Doug's house and talked about the future of the club but it was more about Doug's ego than Gray's football foresight. Like Bill Shankly used to phone Bobby Charlton at daybreak every Sunday to talk about the Saturday football.
That's right, the same one who loved Villa so much that he turned down being our Assistant Manager to join Sky instead.
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I've never known a season when defeats have been so certain.
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I've never known a season when defeats have been so certain.
I was thinking that today.
When we were two down, it occurred to me that, with any other team, a couple of goals down, you'd think there is at least a chance of them coming back to get something from the game, but not with us - with it 0-2 the odds of us getting a point from it were right up there with those for Michael Jackson to moonwalk down the Trinity Road, the game to be interrupted as Stephen Hawking parachuted onto the centre spot and Bob Warman to drive his mobile home into the Holte End goalmouth.
At the same time.
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Or Santa parachuting in and falling off the stand. Oh...we DID win that one 3-2.
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I've never known a season when defeats have been so certain.
I was thinking that today.
When we were two down, it occurred to me that, with any other team, a couple of goals down, you'd think there is at least a chance of them coming back to get something from the game, but not with us - with it 0-2 the odds of us getting a point from it were right up there with those for Michael Jackson to moonwalk down the Trinity Road, the game to be interrupted as Stephen Hawking parachuted onto the centre spot and Bob Warman to drive his mobile home into the Holte End goalmouth.
At the same time.
And were still about that likely even after we scored.
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I've never known a season when defeats have been so certain.
I was thinking that today.
When we were two down, it occurred to me that, with any other team, a couple of goals down, you'd think there is at least a chance of them coming back to get something from the game, but not with us - with it 0-2 the odds of us getting a point from it were right up there with those for Michael Jackson to moonwalk down the Trinity Road, the game to be interrupted as Stephen Hawking parachuted onto the centre spot and Bob Warman to drive his mobile home into the Holte End goalmouth.
At the same time.
That's what pissed me off in a Garde interview a couple of months ago - along the lines of when you go 2-0 down it is game over. It bloody well shouldn't be, for any team in any division.
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It's one thing for Chelsea not to have to get beyond second gear to beat us comfortably but when it's an ordinary Bournmouth team, you start to wonder.
I think these players should expect more crowd stick then they are actually getting, we were pretty soft on them.
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It's one thing for Chelsea not to have to get beyond second gear to beat us comfortably but when it's an ordinary Bournmouth team, you start to wonder.
I think these players should expect more crowd stick then they are actually getting, we were pretty soft on them.
We should hand out BB guns before the next home game so everyone in the crowd can shoot the Villa players in the patches of extraneous flash where their balls should be.
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I wonder sometimes if some of our players win a place in the starting lineup by playing rock, paper, scissors with the manager. It's the only possible explanation for seeing utter fucking toss like Richardson coming back into the side.
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I wonder sometimes if some of our players win a place in the starting lineup by playing rock, paper, scissors with the manager. It's the only possible explanation for seeing utter fucking toss like Richardson coming back into the side.
I honestly thought that starting line up today was the worst Villa line up I've seen in about 20 years.
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Sorry I cried when Palace scored
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The thing about the line up today, is that as ludicrous as it sounds we still had a chance of staying up had we won out. Yes I know that was completely improbable but the manager at least needed to select a side that would give him the best chance of at starting that improbable run. Yet he probably picked the worst side (excluding Ayew and Gana) that he could have picked.