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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on April 02, 2016, 01:54:22 PM
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Wankers.
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Relegation can't come soon enough.
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So what's the final score going to be? I'll go 5-1
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5-0 unless Chelsea just get bored of scoring.
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The players ought to be ashamed of themselves.
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If we don't turn up for the remaining matches....do we lose 3-0 each one?
might be worth considering on current form?
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Looks like our relegation could coincide with the Grand National next Saturday afternoon.
We can start working on those puns, analogies etc right now.
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The players ought to be ashamed of themselves.
They're not. If they had any level of shame it would have shown many weeks ago and we would be fighting to stay up.
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Are we sure that the Championship won't be a good thing for us? We might only lose 2-0 every week there ;)
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Good to see it was the manager dragging them down. What a bunch of utter clowns. At least it's another embarrassment ticked off.
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Our last 4 home games 0-6, 1-3, 0-2, 0-4 (so far). I reckon that's 19 wins in our last 86 home league games. It's so shit it's actually one hell of an achievement.
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If it ends 4-0 it would a victory of sorts
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Hutton, Cissokho, Ayew, Gana and Grealish were passable. They'll do ok at a mid-table Championship club.
The rest can go to the glue factory.
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I wonder if any players at the opposition teams sort of look down at our lot? Like, a sort of professional disdain at the bunch of fuckwits stealing a living at Villa?
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It was only 4-0, good result by our standards!
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Wankers! Except Ayew.
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10th home league defeat of the season. Lose one more and it's another new record.
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ayew and grealish did ok, but the whole thing is rotten to the core
even if they're not good enough, where is their self-respect?
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Boot. Human face. Forever.
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No fight. No pride. No effort. No hope.
Just seen the banner, sums it up.
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All cack, from top to bottom. It's odd to literally see at least eight players retire at the same time while involved in a game.
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Wankers
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Hang your heads in shame!
Send for a firing squad
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At least the crowd finally gave them what for. Long overdue that.
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Putting Nigel Pearson into this shambles would be a huge mistake
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A Chelsea B-team in any other season would be good value for a four nil reverse. This season, it's more like a youth side and it still rarely looked troubled.
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If he will come we just have to get Moyes in this week. Someone who will make the players show some f......g effort and pride for the shirt.
The earlier he can start sorting out this mess the better. We just can't let it slide anymore.
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I wish the club would set some form of precedent and actually sack players for lack of effort and professionalism.
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Putting Nigel Pearson into this shambles would be a huge mistake
Not to mention that his two assistants at Leicester are still at Leicester and unlikely, in the extreme, to leave there and come to us with Pearson.
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I'm only encouraged by the idea of Moyes. Pearson is a short term shouty option but he has no football brain. This club has so little connection with its own identity that it needs somebody who will run it from head to toe.
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If he will come we just have to get Moyes in this week. Someone who will make the players show some f......g effort and pride for the shirt.
The earlier he can start sorting out this mess the better. We just can't let it slide anymore.
There isn't a Manager out there who can make Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Bacuna & Gabby show pride in the shirt.
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Wouldnt it be great if they called in one by one a few of those highly paid non trier trouble makers and said here's your cheque fully payed up now clear your locker and fuck off
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I just don't thing there is anything left to be said.
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Useless feckers. Thats their job to run around for 90+ mins and they cant even do that. Run around ffs!!!
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I think there will have to be some contracts paid up. There's no way some of these players will ever be accepted in a new Villa regime.
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The best thing to come out of this game? knowing Trevor Francis was a closet Villa fan.
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Incompetent useless tossers, I wouldn't miss any of them.
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Even Hoddle calling it right on BT. He's spot on about this squad.
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David Pleat on R5 has just said that for the last few games he'd leave "all these foreign mercenaries" out of the team.
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If he will come we just have to get Moyes in this week. Someone who will make the players show some f......g effort and pride for the shirt.
The earlier he can start sorting out this mess the better. We just can't let it slide anymore.
Not likely Moyes or any of the other names mentioned for Villa would turn most of these players round. They need removing however much it costs.
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David Pleat on R5 has just said that for the last few games he'd leave "all these foreign mercenaries" out of the team.
Richards, Lescott and Westwood survive the cull. Oh joy.
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The best thing to come out of this game? knowing Trevor Francis was a closet Villa fan.
What did he say?
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David Pleat on R5 has just said that for the last few games he'd leave "all these foreign mercenaries" out of the team.
Shows just how little he knows about Villa players, as the worst of the crap players aren't foreign.
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How the f**k did Eric Black EXPECT that team to perform?? It's quite simple, same team = same result. Ain't rocket science. Why didn't he mix things up??
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If that Pearson fella is really a nasty objectionable unlikeable arsehole bully as every one says he is
I'm starting to come round
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I really do think we need to get our man this coming week, pointless drifting until end of season and gives him a chance to assess every player at the club and decide which 35 players or so he wants rid of
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If that Pearson fella is really a nasty objectionable unlikeable arsehole bully as every one says he is
I'm starting to come round
The current players deserve a wanker like Pearson. Future players don't. And we definitely don't.
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Seems Black took a leaf out of Kevon Macs book.
Richards a centre back - never in a million years. We seen that partnership with Lescott before. Doesn't work. Westwood still.
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The players to keep:
Ayew
Hutton
Cissokho
Ayew
Gestede
Grealish
Traore
The rest can go. I'm talking that lot above would do a job in the championship.
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I only had the match in the background today but heard there were some good chants. What did Bacuna get?
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If that Pearson fella is really a nasty objectionable unlikeable arsehole bully as every one says he is
I'm starting to come round
The current players deserve a wanker like Pearson. Future players don't. And we definitely don't.
Yes that's true, but all the wanker players will still be here next season taking the piss
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If that Pearson fella is really a nasty objectionable unlikeable arsehole bully as every one says he is
I'm starting to come round
The current players deserve a wanker like Pearson. Future players don't. And we definitely don't.
Agreed. Don't want him anywhere near our club.
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The players to keep:
Ayew
Hutton
Cissokho
Ayew
Gestede
Grealish
Traore
The rest can go. I'm talking that lot above would do a job in the championship.
Hutton No Ta
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What an atrocious set of players we have at Villa. That's what happens though when you spend 6 seasons of selling your better players and replacing them with inferior ones though.
Shame on you, Villa, for doing this to our great club.
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How many "rock bottom" games can we have?
Will our "rock bottom" be losing 3-0 in the first game in the Championship?
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How many "rock bottom" games can we have?
Will our "rock bottom" be losing 3-0 in the first game in the Championship?
A bit like our first home game in 1987?
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0-2 Blues weren't it? That was pretty bad.
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If that Pearson fella is really a nasty objectionable unlikeable arsehole bully as every one says he is
I'm starting to come round
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I fully endorse the Pearson revolution, if it means he will start nailing some of these bastards to the wall..
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Didn't see, hear nor follow the match as was on a plane. But just read that Pato scored. P.a.t.o. That tells me how bad it must have been.
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Let all preparations for next season go on behind closed doors,protect the players we are going to keep.
Play the rest of the ******(we all know who they are) for the full 90 till the end of the season, let them take non stop abuse, pay them off then fk them off, it really doesn't matter what goes on on the pitch anymore.
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David Pleat on R5 has just said that for the last few games he'd leave "all these foreign mercenaries" out of the team.
Richards, Lescott and Westwood survive the cull. Oh joy.
Idiotic comments from a complete buffoon.
I genuinely don't understand why the Beeb continue to employ boneheaded old mercenaries like Pleat and Lawrenson. They show so little commitment to actually bother with things like research for their job. A cull is needed there, too.
Ayew, Gueye and Veretout (at times) have been our better players this season. Flabby, Lescott and Richards comfortably amongst our worst.
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Yet again feeling hurt, embarrassed and upset after one of our games. Players totally gave up in the second half and the caretaker looked totally out of his depth. End of the season can't come quick enough.
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Foreign may be the wrong adjective but we've had seasons of welcoming mercenaries through the door who really don't give a shit about the club other than the fact it represents another cash cow to lucratively milk for a season or three.
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Saw the first half. Lescott and Richards - why? What is the point.
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Something I have noticed is that most pundits, ex players, journalists, reporters etc have a high regard for Villa and are genuinely saddened by our plight.
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Hutton, Cissokho, Ayew, Gana and Grealish were passable. They'll do ok at a mid-table Championship club.
The rest can go to the glue factory.
honestly? Hutton and Cissokho are two awful footballers, both were woeful again today despite their efforts.
Ayew and Gana particularly both play to the crowd but tracking back players and other basics are lacking from their game and respective characters. Dont be fooled by Gana particularly
Grealish showed some quality when he came on, not his fault that Cissokho hit their covering centre back every single time he was played in
Villa fans hateometer ladder after today
1 - Flabby
2 - Bacuna
3 - Sanchez
4 - Guzan
5 - Richards
6 - Gil
7 - Lescott
8 - Westwood
Eric Black strikes me as a "proper football man" but a manager with a brain would ensure that is the last time we see the likes of the above in a Villa shirt again this season. Westwood is poor but I dont think he deserves being part of the non trying lot.
Bunn, Lyden, Okore, Clark, Kinsella, Veretout, Gana, Westwood, Grealish, Ayew, Gestede. with the likes of Sinclair, Traore and any youth player of promise being given chances. It will mean further defeats but those that are evidently stealing a living need to be cut asap
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Didn't see, hear nor follow the match as was on a plane. But just read that Pato scored. P.a.t.o. That tells me how bad it must have been.
I honestly thought he'd retired as not heard of him for 3 years or so
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People at work have actually stopped taking the piss out of us and just seem embarrassed to say anything these days.
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Garbage again.
Hutton, tries, but is freakishly shit at football, he's a headless chicken and plays like he's in a blindfold. Cissokho plays like a confrence player and looks hopelessly gormless. The midfield is just devoid of anything. Sanchez can't pass, full stop, Westwood struggles to kick a ball properly hence why he rolls it sideways 5 yards most of the time and Gana is just drowning and has given up.
Gil is the ultimate fanny, he's like a kid playing against men. Gestede, pointless traffic cone of a player.
Guzan a comedy keeper and the two centre backs, not only do they not give a fuck, even if they did ones utterly shit and the other is finished.
All in all fuck off the lot of them scum bag wankers.
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Fans have wanted Adama fit asap after the metatarsal injury in January. He's finally fit.....and left out altogether! Is it the appearances and money conspiracy?
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All footballers are mercenaries, in a sense. It is a job.
And then you look at someone like Jack Grealish -who is actually Villa- but lets himself down with his professionalism.
I'll settle for Mellberg, Laursen and even Ayew levels of professional commitment, ta.
Those things shouldn't be decided by the passport.
In fact, you could make a strong case for foreign players traditionally showing far more dedication to their chosen career than the typical British/ Irish player, who wants to have his cake and eat it. Playing, partying and on the piss.
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Andy Townsend was visibly emotional post match on the box here. Essentially saying that the MINIMUM expected of any professional footballer is to actually try and give their all for the entire 90mins. We need a huge squad overhaul in summer, a massive job.
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Andy Townsend, was heart felt in his pre match predictions and his post match comments.
He said four players he did not name them, should be pulled aside and told, you will not play for this club again, move on.
He intimated , Richards, Lescot, Gusan, Baccuna and flabby for good luck, you are going down bring in youngsters who have the passion and send a message to the fans.
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EVERY single one of those who started, plus Bacuna are complete and utter wankers, every one.
Not one player came of of that with any credit whatsoever.
Running around aimlessly, like a few of them, doesnt make a good performance.
That is probably the strangest game I have ever been to. Where the 'football' was completely secondary to everything else going on.
The problems at this club will not be sorted out by 1 season in the championship.
They are far,far too deep.
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A predictably pathetic capitulation. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Oh, but thanks to the VP faithful for giving some of those despicable thieves in claret & blue some long-overdue clog. I just wish it was as easy rid our club of these cretins.
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Get John carver in now before it's too late.
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Get John carver in now before it's too late.
Agreed that way he can say he was the manager who relegated us officially and go back to Geordie Land a hero.
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At least the crowd finally gave them what for. Long overdue that.
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Unable to make it today. What was the fan reaction ?
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We haven't got a competitive game until August. Obviously we've still got to fulfil the fixtures but there's not much point really. We are so astonishingly bad that in a weird way I think we should feel privileged to witness it. Something to tell the youngsters when we're raking in the trophies in a few decades' time.
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You know it's bad when the highlights of the day are cheering paper aeroplanes when they reach the pitch and getting home quickly 'cos the crowd was so low. Clearly Garde's poor results were the teams he picked and failing to motivate the players - what a difference today - they were actually worse. That banner in the Lower North had it spot on - no fight, no pride, no effort no hope. At least the players are now getting what they deserve - 'you're not fit to wear the shirt' and a special rendition of 'Champions League, you're having a laugh' for Bacuna. Only Ayew, Grealish, and to a lesser extent perhaps Gestede, came out of that with any credit. The rest just couldn't be arsed or aren't good enough. Thought Black got the back 5 wrong, Sanchez was like a carthorse, Westwood continues to masquerade as a footballer.....I could go on but I'm just done with this lot now.
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Cissokho is poor but why did Sanchez give them so much time and space for the cross that led to the penalty? So many players ambling around not giving a fuck.
A disappointment the only Bacuna got the treatment as the likes of Richards, Guzan, Lescott a day Westwood all deserve it too. Without question or hyperbole the worst clutch of players in our history.
I'd like to apologise for my paper plane not making the pitch.
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A pathetic display against their reserves. No confidence maybe, but it's the 'couldn't care less attitude' that's so appalling.
The whole defence take it in turns to be abject. Cissokho just took the honours today.
A 'Westwood' watch for 10 minutes revealed how little he did in terms of movement, tackling , tracking etc but to be fair to him the others were just as disinterested.
I don't want to see any of this team next season after inflicting such misery on us all.
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The players to keep:
Ayew
Hutton
Cissokho
Ayew
Gestede
Grealish
Traore
The rest can go. I'm talking that lot above would do a job in the championship.
Agree with all of those except Hutton. Even if the Championship he would still look too slow, sluggish and be a useless tackler
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I felt like a little part of my soul died today!
VTID!
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David Pleat on R5 has just said that for the last few games he'd leave "all these foreign mercenaries" out of the team.
Shows just how little he knows about Villa players, as the worst of the crap players aren't foreign.
Good point. At the time I thought Pleat was spot on, but not sure now. Think what he meant was that by playing some younger players it might give the fans a bit more to cheer, and chances are those players would at least give it a bit of a go.
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David Pleat on R5 has just said that for the last few games he'd leave "all these foreign mercenaries" out of the team.
Shows just how little he knows about Villa players, as the worst of the crap players aren't foreign.
Good point. At the time I thought Pleat was spot on, but not sure now. Think what he meant was that by playing some younger players it might give the fans a bit more to cheer, and chances are those players would at least give it a bit of a go.
He was muddled because he was also saying how bad Richards and Lescott were. And Hutton when prompted.
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David Pleat on R5 has just said that for the last few games he'd leave "all these foreign mercenaries" out of the team.
What a fucking idiot, so the English mercenaries are ok then are they David?
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Terrible performance again. Black picking the likes of Richards and Westwood, when I had hope that he wouldn't. Guzan is really shit, Hutton at least tries and stamped on someone, so he gets my vote for not being the worst player ever to wear the shirt. Sissokho is truly fucking awful, he's like the mate you bring along just to make up the numbers. Richards and Lescott just need to fuck off. Sanchez wanted half hour every time he gets the ball, totally unsuited to Premier League football and I doubt will be any better lower down. Westwood was, well, Westwood. Gana runs around and tackles, not sure why he was brought off by Eric Cack. Gestede did his best, which isn't good enough. Ayew did ok, Gil was, well, meh! Truly crap performance and I am pleased that Bacuna got what he deserved. Utter shit yet again, other than young Jack, who applauded the fans at the end. Come on Brian, pick us a winner. Not Pearson though.
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The fans were the only ones to come out of today with any credit. Well done to the stewards for behaving themselves this week too.
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If he will come we just have to get Moyes in this week. Someone who will make the players show some f......g effort and pride for the shirt.
The earlier he can start sorting out this mess the better. We just can't let it slide anymore.
I never want to see these players ever again on the pitch for Villa. Make today their last game. Get the kids in now (nothing to lose) and start all over again.
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Garry Thompson calling the noses the 'dark side' was the only good thing about the game today.
I like him even more now.
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If that Pearson fella is really a nasty objectionable unlikeable arsehole bully as every one says he is
I'm starting to come round
That's the type we need to get rid of. We don't need another asshole stinking the club up
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At least the crowd finally gave them what for. Long overdue that.
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Unable to make it today. What was the fan reaction ?
Guzan, Richards and Lescott booed on. Bacuna a barrage of booing as he came on as a sub followed by a couple of renditions of "Champions Leage, yer avin a laff" and booed every time he touched the ball - generally being more interested in making paper planes and seeing if they reached the pitch.
The ironic Alan Hutton chant is my favourite - elevating him as the best of a bad lot is very funny.
Ayew looks good but doesn't actually produce a lot does he? Jack had two nice touches but they came to nothing and was it a penalty when he was tipped over?
Well done to the Protest Group for printing the posters btw
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If a load of fellas turned up at the training ground and caused damage to the only thing these ****** care about, their expensively accumulated cars, that would be a very bad thing.
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The thought of Pearson laying into some of these fuckers is actually starting to win me over. Maybe he could get some nasty bastards like Mick Harford etc as temporary coaching staff until the summer and they could kick the living fuck out of Richards and so on at Bodymoor.
I hate this team, the shower of absolute bastards.
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At the end of the day the fans don't want most of the players here. Judging by their attitudes I don't think most of the players don't want to be here. The only possible answer would cost the club millions.Therefore we really are up shit creek.
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I've been against introducing the kids into this season to be beaten every week but I'm all for it now, we'd get behind the kids rather than this shower of fuckwits.
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Thanks also from me to the Banner Group.
I think the club should put on a special charity match, fill the ground and then, with the money, do the decent thing and refund all the season ticket holders their money. Can you think of anything else in life that we wanted be able to sue for when AVFC advertise us as a football club!!!!!
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I'm sure they're breaking the Trade Descriptions Act.
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The players to keep:
Ayew
Hutton
Cissokho
Ayew
Gestede
Grealish
Traore
The rest can go. I'm talking that lot above would do a job in the championship.
Agree with all of those except Hutton. Even if the Championship he would still look too slow, sluggish and be a useless tackler
Sorry I forgot I would also keep Amavi.
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Fans have wanted Adama fit asap after the metatarsal injury in January. He's finally fit.....and left out altogether! Is it the appearances and money conspiracy?
HOW DO YOU KNOW HE'S FIT?
Sorry to shout but you keep repeating the same point. I'm not sure that making a brief appearance is going to trigger some mythical appearances clause that means Villa pay Barcelona millions because he's played in half a dozen Premier League matches.
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It's in Adama's contract, if he gets a second yellow card we have to pay Barcelona £50m.
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It's in Adama's contract, if he gets a second yellow card we have to pay Barcelona £50m.
Wiley bastards. Thats how they get ya.
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It's in Adama's contract, if he gets a second yellow card we have to pay Barcelona £50m.
Of course! We're already paying them £7m for each match he misses through injury so can't afford for him to pick up another injury.
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If a load of fellas turned up at the training ground and caused damage to the only thing these c***s care about, their expensively accumulated cars, that would be a very bad thing.
They'd sue the club for not adequately protecting them.
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Hutton, Cissokho, Ayew, Gana and Grealish were passable. They'll do ok at a mid-table Championship club.
The rest can go to the glue factory.
The two in bold for the glue factory as well for me.
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The thought of Pearson laying into some of these fuckers is actually starting to win me over. Maybe he could get some nasty bastards like Mick Harford etc as temporary coaching staff until the summer and they could kick the living fuck out of Richards and so on at Bodymoor.
I hate this team, the shower of absolute bastards.
But isn't that what Keane did, and it didn't do much good either did it? Or was he pushed out of the club because too many precious players didn't like the home truths he no doubt told them?
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The players to keep:
Ayew
Hutton
Cissokho
Ayew
Gestede
Grealish
Traore
The rest can go. I'm talking that lot above would do a job in the championship.
Hutton No Ta
Cissohko no Ta
The 2nd Ayew - where did he come from?
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The thought of Pearson laying into some of these fuckers is actually starting to win me over. Maybe he could get some nasty bastards like Mick Harford etc as temporary coaching staff until the summer and they could kick the living fuck out of Richards and so on at Bodymoor.
I hate this team, the shower of absolute bastards.
But isn't that what Keane did, and it didn't do much good either did it? Or was he pushed out of the club because too many precious players didn't like the home truths he no doubt told them?
I think he left once his book promotion tour was done.
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They can play any team they like from now until the end of the season but if the work is not going on on the training ground the outcome will be the same.
As Ron Saunders has often said the most important thing is shape. I have yet to see any defensive shape this season which indicates very poor preparation in training.
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I've been against introducing the kids into this season to be beaten every week but I'm all for it now, we'd get behind the kids rather than this shower of fuckwits.
We're one defeat away from relegation. Let's give that accolade to the current cretins.
And then put the kids in so we can get right behind them, with a clean slate.
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Hutton, Cissokho, Ayew, Gana and Grealish were passable. They'll do ok at a mid-table Championship club.
The rest can go to the glue factory.
honestly? Hutton and Cissokho are two awful footballers, both were woeful again today despite their efforts.
Ayew and Gana particularly both play to the crowd but tracking back players and other basics are lacking from their game and respective characters. Dont be fooled by Gana particularly
Grealish showed some quality when he came on, not his fault that Cissokho hit their covering centre back every single time he was played in
Villa fans hateometer ladder after today
1 - Flabby
2 - Bacuna
3 - Sanchez
4 - Guzan
5 - Richards
6 - Gil
7 - Lescott
8 - Westwood
Eric Black strikes me as a "proper football man" but a manager with a brain would ensure that is the last time we see the likes of the above in a Villa shirt again this season. Westwood is poor but I dont think he deserves being part of the non trying lot.
Bunn, Lyden, Okore, Clark, Kinsella, Veretout, Gana, Westwood, Grealish, Ayew, Gestede. with the likes of Sinclair, Traore and any youth player of promise being given chances. It will mean further defeats but those that are evidently stealing a living need to be cut asap
Agreed.
Except I'd put Gill top of the hateometer. Useless fucker who couldn't trap a bag of cement and rolls around dead when he loses the ball.
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Relive the agony (http://www.flashscores.co.uk/match/Ea6xur9j/#video)
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-40 goal difference now
MINUS FORTY??????
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Match Highlights from the Grauniad:
66 min: Jack Grealish and Leandro Bacuna replace Carles Gill and Carlos Sanchez. Bacuna’s arrival is greeted by a chorus of boos, followed by a rendition of “Champions League, you’re having a laugh!” in the wake of comments he made during the week, saying he wants to play in Europe’s premier competition. Between that and Gabby Agbonlahor and Micah Richards jetting off on their holidays to Dubai during the break, you’d wonder about the sheer lack of self-awareness of these players.
80 min: A squadron of paper planes lands on the Villa Park squad, as home fans find new ways to amuse themselves by turning their paper signs into F16s.
84 min: Villa substitution: Jordan Lyden replaces Idrissa Gueye, as the maiden flight of a beautifully engineered and well thrown paper plane earns the biggest cheer of the afternoon from Villa fans.
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Am I right in saying that if (when) we lose next week and Norwich get a point we will be mathematically down?
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First off, for fuck sake AVFC, drop "Hero's" as they trundle out of the tunnel. Replace it with No More Hero's by The Stranglers if you want to play anything suitable.
What a bunch of spineless wasters.
Thanks to those who took banners and thanks to the protest group for printing theirs.
My favourite banner - "LERNER YOU COWARD SHOW YOUR FACE".
Very appropriate
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Am I right in saying that if (when) we lose next week and Norwich get a point we will be mathematically down?
Yes.
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Am I right in saying that if (when) we lose next week and Norwich get a point we will be mathematically down?
Yes.
~Half the points total of Norwich -40 GD .....and its likely to get worse.
What a time to be alive.
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Am I right in saying that if (when) we lose next week and Norwich get a point we will be mathematically down?
Yes.
By my reckoning we'd still be able to catch them on goal difference so won't mathematically be relegated next weekend.
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What is wrong with these effing managers? Every time we get a new one I think he must have watched most of these clowns. Surely this one's going to make the best of a bad lot. But no, we get Richards and Lescott. We get the immovable Westwood. We get an appearance from Bacuna. We have a three defensive midfielders playing in a side whose fans are utterly starved of entertainment. Not one sign of an attempt to address our crippling impotency up front.
So fuck off Black and take K Mac with you. Utter Shiite.
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Just got back from the usual terrible performance. On the drive home I realised that when Bacuna came on the pitch I booed him, the first Villa player that I have ever booed coming on the pitch. This is what that shower have reduced me to. Can't wait for this season to end, only three more matches I have to go to, I sad times. VTID
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What is wrong with these effing managers? Every time we get a new one I think he must have watched most of these clowns. Surely this one's going to make the best of a bad lot. But no, we get Richards and Lescott. We get the immovable Westwood. We get an appearance from Bacuna. We have a three defensive midfielders playing in a side whose fans are utterly starved of entertainment. Not one sign of an attempt to address our crippling impotency up front.
So fuck off Black and take K Mac with you. Utter Shiite.
He only put Bacuna on to give us a laugh
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The players to keep:
Ayew
Hutton
Cissokho
Ayew
Gestede
Grealish
Traore
The rest can go. I'm talking that lot above would do a job in the championship.
Hutton No Ta
Cissohko no Ta
The 2nd Ayew - where did he come from?
Swansea. But the first one is better and you can't say that about many of the players.
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Am I right in saying that if (when) we lose next week and Norwich get a point we will be mathematically down?
Yes.
By my reckoning we'd still be able to catch them on goal difference so won't mathematically be relegated next weekend.
If they got a point and we lost then they'd be 16 ahead with five to play wouldn't they?
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Correct.
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They can play any team they like from now until the end of the season but if the work is not going on on the training ground the outcome will be the same.
As Ron Saunders has often said the most important thing is shape. I have yet to see any defensive shape this season which indicates very poor preparation in training.
That is what I have found so frustrating this season. The first thing to do with a struggling team is to make yourselves hard to beat - like Garde did in his first game. We have failed to do that since so our training sessions must be utterly useless.
I agree with the above comments re ditching as many players as possible and playing the kids, though I get the logic of waiting a week until we are down. Pleat reckons our youngsters are not too bad, though I am not too sure of this, but he said that it will T least have the effect of getting the crowd behind the players. He also reckoned that a lot of players were making fouls and getting cards to make it look like they were trying.
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Yep, table I looked at hadn't been fully updated. I rarely look it is my excuse for not realising Norwich were missing the 3 points from today.
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I think we might be getting relegated.
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We lack any attacking threat so yet again we play three defensive midfielders and one who is lightweight and totally ineffective
How bad must Scott Sinclair be not to get a game
I wasn't Sherwood greatest fan but we would be doing better than this.
The players are an absolute disgrace and there are so many I don't want to ever see again.
Guzan, Bunn, Richards, Lescott, Cissokho, Westwood, Sanchez, Bacuna, Gil, Agbonahalor - should be dropped and never seen at the club again. Add to K Richardson, Nzog can you imagine the combined salary of all of those.
For the rest of the season I want to see us go on the attack I don't care if we lose 10 but please have a go and stop waiting for the inevitable.
Next weeks team
GK - A young spotty kid
CB - Kid
CB - Okore
CB - Clark ( if fit)
RW - Sinclair
MF - Lyden
MF - Gana
AMF - Traore
LW - Grealish
STK - Ayew
STK - Gestede
We will be probably be hammered but at least we may have some attacking threat on the pitch.
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I hope we lose next week. Get this shit over with.
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Losing 4-0 you would think we we dominated the whole game , images of us clinging on , goal mouth scrambles come to mind alas it was worse than that.Chelsea were allowed to stroll around like a pre-season friendly against a Vanarama league side in July.We gifted them all 4 goals
1) Somehow John Obi Mikel is made to look like Zidane on the ball as he takes out Sanchez and Gana , spreads to ball wide in acres of Space due to Cissoko drifting infield .Sanchez ignores the run from Loftus-Cheek who sides foots it in off a deflection from a poorly positioned Lescott
2)Ball into area Cissoko lazily rugby tackles Pato to the ground stone wall Pen ..Pathetic
3)On the face of it looks a good team goal from Chelsea but once again it showed one of our Achilles heels ,the lack of concentration after a break in play in this case half time.
4)Easy shot on goal from Guzan to collect yet somehow manges to cushion it kindly into Pedro's pass to finish
Shambolic
That's 4 managers now and still the performances remain the same.Still no reaction from the team as a unit.Still no cohesion as a defence unit.The squad needs a massive cull now and very fast , who ever the new boss is needs to be in sooner rather than later and get his preseason plan's underway. Somehow with what we have and from incomings we need to construct a solid spine to this team and start next season well.
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Losing 4-0 you would think we we dominated the whole game , images of us clinging on , goal mouth scrambles come to mind alas it was worse than that.Chelsea were allowed to stroll around like a pre-season friendly against a Vanarama league side in July.We gifted them all 4 goals
1) Somehow John Obi Mikel is made to look like Zidane on the ball as he takes out Sanchez and Gana , spreads to ball wide in acres of Space due to Cissoko drifting infield .Sanchez ignores the run from Loftus-Cheek who sides foots it in off a deflection from a poorly positioned Lescott
2)Ball into area Cissoko lazily rugby tackles Pato to the ground stone wall Pen ..Pathetic
3)On the face of it looks a good team goal from Chelsea but once again it showed one of our Achilles heels ,the lack of concentration after a break in play in this case half time.
4)Easy shot on goal from Guzan to collect yet somehow manges to cushion it kindly into Pedro's pass to finish
Shambolic
That's 4 managers now and still the performances remain the same.Still no reaction from the team as a unit.Still no cohesion as a defence unit.The squad needs a massive cull now and very fast , who ever the new boss is needs to be in sooner rather than later and get his preseason plan's underway. Somehow with what we have and from incomings we need to construct a solid spine to this team and start next season well.
Some people want the moon on a stick.
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I thought Gestede had a decent game against the 2centre backs, won every header virtually and held the ball up well. Guzan held nothing the ball was like ball of soup
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I thought Gestede had a decent game against the 2centre backs, won every header virtually and held the ball up well. Guzan held nothing the ball was like ball of soup
We might be singing that lads name with joy next season.
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I hope we lose next week. Get this shit over with.
I think there's A good chance you'll get your wish
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I think we'll win but Norwich will get at least a point.
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Knowing us we'll win and Norwich will lose to keep dragging it out. Actually, much as I want it confirmed I want us to win.
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Has any away team ever had an easier 4-0 win?
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On the question of defensive cohesion, I would like to raise a few salient points.
1. If you play Richards as a central defender, you can forget about defensive cohesion.
2. If you want to play a high defensive line and you play Lescott as a central defender, you can forget about defensive cohesion.
3. If you play Hutton at full back and instruct him to bomb forward, you can forget about defensive cohesion.
4. If you play Cissokho at full back and instruct him to bomb forward, you can forget about defensive cohesion.
5. What is the point of Westwood as a defensive midfielder?
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Liverpool got 6...
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5. What is the point of Westwood full stop?
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5. What is the point of Westwood full stop?
Good point.
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5. What is the point of Westwood full stop?
Westwood is the teachers pet. He understands he is limited but he has the perfect kiss arse "I'll do whatever you want sir" attitude that keeps getting him selected.
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In fairness he did actually do a forward pass at one point today. Granted it went straight to a Chelsea player but you can't have everything.
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Just got back.
Have to say that it was sad to hear the crowd giving the players what they deserve. Sad, but I joined in because this feckless bunch of duds deserved all the abuse dished out.
I thought Gestede and Ayew looked actually half-decent and Hutton delivered his usual 100%. The rest were gash. Cissokho really summed the game up: headless, lacking any sort of positional sense and ultimately far below the standard required of a PL player.
When the new manager arrives - perhaps as early as when we are mathematically down - he needs to give the youngsters and fringe players some game time before exiting most of this shower over the summer.
As for the remaining home games, I hope that the crowd continue the dogs-abuse because people need to understand the depth of disappointment felt around here.
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I never cease to be amazed at what a complete and utter bunch of tossers we have in our squad. I then think there must have been an even bigger bunch of tossers who were gormless enough to sign this pile of complete "ineptoes." If Agbonlahor had played then we could at least have sung "your too fat to wear the shirt."
The players looks as if they have never trained together before; mind you a reasonable question would perhaps be "is there any training and is their a game plan?" If so there is not much evidence on the pitch to suggest any competent training or planning.
An absolute shambles!
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Agree with Mr E, sad but totally deserved and should be continued until the end of the season. Also agreed with, Gestede and Ayew looked actually half-decent and Hutton delivered his usual 100%.
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I have no problem with Hutton either. Actually I am looking forward to seeing him play for us next season, I think he will do well.
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At least he looks bothered and makes an effort.
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Would just like to say thank you to the protest organisers for the entertainment as all those paper aeroplanes provided more fun in the last fifteen minutes or so than over most of the season. And that's not sarcasm, by the way.
The fact that Alan Hutton (who I would keep for next season) was sent off barely registered.
Overall, I thought we were beaten before I left the house this morning. Going to Villa Park these days is very much like going to a stoning. You know the outcome before you get there.
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Just got home to see the evening sunlight glittering on the North Sea. The football and the M6 traffic jams apart it has been a really nice spring day.
As for the football that is a very different crock of pig shit.
First for incompetence I would single out our caretaker manager. Full of self-righteous anger at Gabby (who deserves it and more) he puts out a team of cretins to attempt to lighten the fulminating anger of the fans. Richards? Lescott? Guzan? Gil? Westwood? Sanchez? It was pure defeatism. Eric Black, latest in a long line of safety-first boneheads. Why are we the only club that only uses substitutes in the last sixth of the game? What is the point of bringing on Lyden for 8 minutes when you are 4-0 down?.
Lescott was abominable as were Richards, Westwood, Cissoko, Gil, Sanchez and Hutton. The rest including Grealish were all maybe men.
When we got that free kick on the edge of their box in the first half we laid bets with each other where it would go. I longed for the ghost of Stan Lynn to place the ball down, take four steps back then send it like a leather meteorite into the Chelsea net. Dream on.
Tiny positives. Gestede actually was less bad than usual which is not saying a lot and the paper aeroplanes were fun.
I am going to make myself a nice mug of tea and walk on the beach and pray to the Sea Gods that by this time next week David Moyes will be our manager.
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Not much to add, moved down to the front of the Holte second half to get a closer look and see who was trying etc. Grealish did look hurt by our situation and Gestede , Ayew and Hutton looked as if they were . I did get a great. View of the aeroplanes though which was easily the highlight of the game.
The low point was the deserved ground wide chant of ' your not fit to wear the shirt' which hands down confirmed that this is the worst I've seen in my time watching our beloved and now tragic club.
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Would just like to say thank you to the protest organisers for the entertainment as all those paper aeroplanes provided more fun in the last fifteen minutes or so than over most of the season. And that's not sarcasm, by the way.
The fact that Alan Hutton (who I would keep for next season) was sent off barely registered.
Overall, I thought we were beaten before I left the house this morning. Going to Villa Park these days is very much like going to a stoning. You know the outcome before you get there.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/mbto2x.jpg)
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I have no problem with Hutton either. Actually I am looking forward to seeing him play for us next season, I think he will do well.
Just seen the McCafu tackle / second yellow. Could easily have been a straight red.
Why did WestPoint waste that yellow card tackle on Baba? Farbragas was far more deserving of a clattering challenge
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Gana - what is it about him falling over so much? STAY ON YOUR FEET and you may just win a few more balls, or KEEP a few more balls - change your boots ffs.
Gestede - yes, won all the headers today, but where the fuck did they go? Absolutely nowhere. I said to my son after the first time he did it "watch, he'll win every header, but they won't meet a single Villa shirt" - and that's exactly what happened.
Hutton - he's not the most technically gifted player in the world, but since his restoration to the team at least he plays with fight and passion. A footballer to push us forward in the Premier League? Probably not, but his attitude should rub off on the younger generation. I feel he gets a lot of bad press on here - he fights, throws in the tackles and this is why he got such favourable applause for actually being sent off.
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In fairness to JustHead, most of the time there was no other Villa player near him when he flicked the ball on.
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5. What is the point of Westwood full stop?
Westwood is the teachers pet. He understands he is limited but he has the perfect kiss arse "I'll do whatever you want sir" attitude that keeps getting him selected.
I got such stick (from Dave I think) for suggesting the same so good luck
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For a portion of the time, yes, but there was a fair portion of the time whereby there were plentiful Villa shirts around. There's no point having an asset like a player who can win and head the ball, if you can't direct it towards your own players.
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Hutton - he's not the most technically gifted player in the world, but since his restoration to the team at least he plays with fight and passion. A footballer to push us forward in the Premier League? Probably not, but his attitude should rub off on the younger generation. I feel he gets a lot of bad press on here - he fights, throws in the tackles and this is why he got such favourable applause for actually being sent off.
Said better than I ever could have.
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He's shit but he cares!
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It's a shame he has no idea where he should be on the pitch, he throws in tackles and tries to kill people but ultimately has cost us loads of goals this season from people coming in behind him or off him and him not having a clue.
He's one of our better players though, which is why we have 16 pts and are Blues.
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He's shit but he cares!
I don't think one of them cares PWS
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Hutton - he's not the most technically gifted player in the world, but since his restoration to the team at least he plays with fight and passion. A footballer to push us forward in the Premier League? Probably not, but his attitude should rub off on the younger generation. I feel he gets a lot of bad press on here - he fights, throws in the tackles and this is why he got such favourable applause for actually being sent off.
Said better than I ever could have.
Agreed. Not the most gifted, but gives his all. We may need that next season so we should keep him
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Hutton has cost us so many goals this season. He's absolute mince. I appreciate he tries, but he's a huge weak link.
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If we got rid of every player in the squad this summer I wouldn't be bothered. Truly the worst group of players I've ever seen in my time. How the hell did it come to this?
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Just got home to see the evening sunlight glittering on the North Sea. The football and the M6 traffic jams apart it has been a really nice spring day.
As for the football that is a very different crock of pig shit.
On the plus side, this made me laugh. A lot.
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Hutton has cost us so many goals this season. He's absolute mince. I appreciate he tries, but he's a huge weak link.
Doesn't the term "weak link" suggest a part of the whole which is weaker than, and lets down the other, stronger constituent parts?
I agree with you on Hutton, but feel duty bound to point out that the other ten on the pitch are also lamentably shit too.
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If we got rid of every player in the squad this summer I wouldn't be bothered. Truly the worst group of players I've ever seen in my time. How the hell did it come to this?
And to think some here were frotting at the prospect of our summer signings despite never hearing of them before.
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He's shit but he cares!
So am I, so do I. Can I have twenty grand a week?
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I guess the song hasn't spread far from L2!
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Hutton has cost us so many goals this season. He's absolute mince. I appreciate he tries, but he's a huge weak link.
Doesn't the term "weak link" suggest a part of the whole which is weaker than, and lets down the other, stronger constituent parts?
I agree with you on Hutton, but feel duty bound to point out that the other ten on the pitch are also lamentably shit too.
I thought the same when I posted that. "Ads, you're implying that they're not all shit".
My second thought thereafter was why are you referring to yourself in the third person, you whopper. Must be an ex-manager thing.
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I turned up at Bournmouth on day 1 having been on holiday for a month and hadn't seen us play since the Cup Final. I hadn't heard of any of the new signings and was impressed that Sherwood knew about them. I was even more impressed when Justhead scored the winner from a corner. I thought we'd found a new team that would finish 10th ish. New solid experienced defenders and a set piece striker.
Got it a bit wrong then.
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Didn't we all?
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If we got rid of every player in the squad this summer I wouldn't be bothered. Truly the worst group of players I've ever seen in my time. How the hell did it come to this?
And to think some here were frotting at the prospect of our summer signings despite never hearing of them before.
True, but I was guilty of it as much as the next fan though. I honestly thought we'd see Gestede score goals and become a bit of a cult hero. How wrong was I on that one.
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If Amavi had stayed fit he'd have scored more. The ball in and the header for his second at Anfield was top draw.
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If Amavi had stayed fit he'd have scored more. The ball in and the header for his second at Anfield was top draw.
And didn't he cross for the goal against Small Heath?
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If Amavi had stayed fit he'd have scored more. The ball in and the header for his second at Anfield was top draw.
The timing of his injury hurt us. But I can't believe the complete lack of effort and commitment from our team. Bunch of tossers.
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He did SH. The only highlight of the season. How sad, but still the worst Villa side ever brushing a supposed top 8 Championship outfit aside with ease second half, gives me hope.
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He did SH. The only highlight of the season. How sad, but still the worst Villa side ever brushing a supposed top 8 Championship outfit aside with ease second half, gives me hope.
It is the best bit of the season isn't it?
I love it when a Nose starts taking the piss - I just wait until they mention how many we have won and then - BOOM - depthcharge!
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I said to my mate earlier I hate the way Lescott pretends to look dejected after every goal when it's usually he's fault. I've never hated a villa team before now. I hate the lot of them
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Am I right in saying that if (when) we lose next week and Norwich get a point we will be mathematically down?
Yes.
By my reckoning we'd still be able to catch them on goal difference so won't mathematically be relegated next weekend.
If they got a point and we lost then they'd be 16 ahead with five to play wouldn't they?
That's a very small 'if'.
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Waheeeey, MOTD time!
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I'm not saying by any stretch he's Premiership quality but why doesn't Gestede get any fucking service??? There's no point in playing him if you don't cross the bloody ball.
Why didn't Black shake things up and play a couple of the talented youngsters ffs. If you want to attempt to connect with fans then put a couple of younger players into a nothing to lose game. But you decide to pick the same sorry team.
And Leandro fucking Bacuna????
Fuck off. The only way you're getting anywhere near Champions League son is by subscribing to BT Sport. You and several others are stealing a living from a great historic club and you'll be remembered for nothing else.
David Moyes by next week please.
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Fuck off. The only way you're getting anywhere near Champions League son is by subscribing to BT Sport.
Mate, that's really harsh.
He can surely afford a PS4 and a copy of FIFA16.
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I assume judging by the fact Hutton is out next week he will be in a right back. He deserves to be part of the team that gets relegated. Champions League? No son. Sorry.
Funny really that after years of watching the Villa there's always a team scapegoat regardless of how well we are doing.
This season we've got 7 or 8!
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Trying to stay awake to watch us on MOTD, solely in the hope of hearing Shearer and Wright rip into certain of our players.
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I assume judging by the fact Hutton is out next week he will be in a right back. He deserves to be part of the team that gets relegated. Champions League? No son. Sorry.
Funny really that after years of watching the Villa there's always a team scapegoat regardless of how well we are doing.
This season we've got 7 or 8!
Hope not. Okore could come in with Richards going to RB (I presume his effort will start picking up now in the hope of a move) or Lyden could play there, which would be my preference.
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That Hutton challenge was awful.
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That Hutton challenge was awful.
He always does stuff like that, once he is outside his zone.
Tell him to stick on the right, show the wide player outside, don't venture forward without cover and he he is more than decent.
Unfortunately at VP, every single manager that The Randoid turfs up will not realistically adapt to the materials available to them, preferring to score points against the ineffable stupidity of the project.
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That Hutton challenge was awful.
He always does stuff like that, once he is outside his zone.
Tell him to stick on the right, show the wide player outside, don't venture forward without cover and he he is more than decent.
Unfortunately at VP, every single manager that The Randoid turfs up will not realistically adapt to the materials available to them, preferring to score points against the ineffable stupidity of the project.
He is not decent. Consistently gives the ball away and is constantly caught out of position defensively. Dropped four years ago out of the squad for not being good enough, yet somehow four years later he is in the first XI. Speaks volumes really.
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That Hutton challenge was awful.
He always does stuff like that, once he is outside his zone.
Tell him to stick on the right, show the wide player outside, don't venture forward without cover and he he is more than decent.
Unfortunately at VP, every single manager that The Randoid turfs up will not realistically adapt to the materials available to them, preferring to score points against the ineffable stupidity of the project.
He is not decent. Consistently gives the ball away and is constantly caught out of position defensively. Dropped four years ago out of the squad for not being good enough, yet somehow four years later he is in the first XI. Speaks volumes really.
I disagree.
He is caught out of position when trying to play as a wing back, but not as a full back with a wide midfielder in front of him. Same for Ally C on the left. There was ample evidence of this when they were first restored to shore up the defence.
Of course, you can argue that this is not enough in today's game, but then I go back to having to work with the players at hand.
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Didn't watch the game as I am away on holiday. Usually, I would find a bar showing the game but could not be bothered. Sounds as though it was the same old s***.
We must have a clear out of players, even if it means bringing in youngsters that may not be ready yet. Don't be fooled into thinking that, although some may not be good enough for the PL, they will be good enough for the Championship. Attitude is a major part of a players makeup. We have players that go from casual to downright couldn't care less.
The defence and keeper need a complete overhaul from the one that started yesterday. They are all disasters waiting to happen. Foremost is the need for a strong captain.
I would agree with the 'get rid' list that most have come up with and we are yet to see which of the better players we lose because of relegation.
There are glaring faults in many of our players and my concern is that the Club think that a new manager will get a better tune from them. There is too much negativity around the squad which is affecting the confidence of some of the mentally weaker players e.g. Clark, that needs stripping away to see if there is a player that can improve.
We have had some low points in my time as a fan but I am really struggling to think when it has been this bad, although time does blur the memory. Somehow we have to clear the decks and I am firmly convinced that paying some players off will be better in the long run. There is something fundamentally wrong in the club that needs cutting out. Is this something that causes the downturn in form of players that come in and start well, I don't know.
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Why are we where we are, well a forward line that cannot score, a midfield that is lightweight and lack vision and a defence that has to be the worse that has ever pulled on a Villa shirt collectively, within that defence we have a 2 tryers (Ally , Hutton) but are woefully lacking in basic football skills, two wankers who could not give a toss for AVFC or anything apart from their wages and Guzan.
If anyone thinks that team that went out there yesterday are goibng to get us out of the Championship, they are as deluded as Bacuna.
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That team won't no but I firmly believe we have a nucleus of 6/7 players that will be easily good enough in the Championship.
If we make the right appointment and clear out those known suspects we'll be in good shape for next seasons challenges.
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but as ever it comes back to how - one or two might command a small fee move; the rest will have to be paid off and I just can't see that happening.
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Plenty will be off to other clubs, they are not going to want to earn less next season.
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I think we have to play Bacuna against Bournmouth.
He has PCLE. Pre Champions League Experience. Surely that guarantees him a spot in the team?
Like I said last night. That was an insult when he got game time yesterday.
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but as ever it comes back to how - one or two might command a small fee move; the rest will have to be paid off and I just can't see that happening.
Richards will find a club, Bacuna might get a move to Holland while Lescott and Guzan will be off to the MLS. Gabby though might be a real problem to shift. That's my plan for the
"fuck off five".
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here's hoping Oz
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Respect to Rudy Gestede, after all the abuse (deserved) yesterday he came towards the Holte and clapped the fans at the whistle - he can stay and he will score shed loads in the championship if we can get a decent winger in.
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Just watching MOTD looking at the line-ups for the first game on, and it struck me that Norwich's bench would get into our team. Well okay, maybe not the actual bench but all the players on it.
Rudd
Bassong
Jerome
Bamford
Hoolahan
Mulumbu
Redmond.
Am I right?
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Oz Villa, my point is that we do not know what or who we will be able to get rid off, until then the squad we have in my opinion would not walk the championship, also if we sell what we do not want, we are also going to lose some of those we do, Ayew, Ghana, Veretout, Adama,Okore, they have no loyalty to Aston Villa they have not been here long enough and with the reduction they will be expected to take in wages, they can and will earn that in France, plus they will benefit from a nice signing on fee after they go for less than we paid for them.
That is why the next guy in the hot seat has to be the right guy, as he will be building Villa back up from a very shaky foundation.
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Well flabby might be available for next Saturday so that will increase the competition for places.
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Did I hear Ian Wright say bigger clubs than Villa have gone down and not come right back up? The TV was quiet so I might not have heard right.
If he did say that, who is bigger than us that hasn't come back up?
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Did I hear Ian Wright say bigger clubs than Villa have gone down and not come right back up? The TV was quiet so I might not have heard right.
If he did say that, who is bigger than us that hasn't come back up?
I had a Blues fan claim that Leeds are bigger than us on Friday night, I just laughed.
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What was Guzan doing for the 4th goal? Shocking attempt at 'save' Any doubt and he should've just punched it clear. Useless.
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Just watching MOTD looking at the line-ups for the first game on, and it struck me that Norwich's bench would get into our team. Well okay, maybe not the actual bench but all the players on it.
Rudd
Bassong
Jerome
Bamford
Hoolahan
Mulumbu
Redmond.
Am I right?
Yes. And there is a place for the bench.
It's
A) Solid
B) Dependable
C) Has better positional sense
D) Is quicker than Lescott and Richards
E) Doesn't come out in the press stating a desire for Champions League Football.
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I said yesterday that I really would not care about keeping anyone from the current squad. Thinking about it now I would make an exception for Grealish.
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The most worrying thing is that Black will remain in-charge for the rest of the season and the beatings will only get worse. I've never known a team have so many awful managers in on season. The line up yesterday really was an insult.
Give some of the kids a go, they can't be any worse than the shambles who currently masquerade as footballers that start every week.
Players like Guzan, Richards, Hutton, Cissokho, Westwood, Bacuna really need to be dropped forever.
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but as ever it comes back to how - one or two might command a small fee move; the rest will have to be paid off and I just can't see that happening.
Richards will find a club, Bacuna might get a move to Holland while Lescott and Guzan will be off to the MLS. Gabby though might be a real problem to shift. That's my plan for the
"fuck off five".
Thats how I see it Oz. Agbonlahor will sit tight,he has no intention of moving anywhere at all.
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Didn't watch the game as I am away on holiday. Usually, I would find a bar showing the game but could not be bothered. Sounds as though it was the same old s***.
It was......but with added paper airplanes
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I said yesterday that I really would not care about keeping anyone from the current squad. Thinking about it now I would make an exception for Grealish.
It's a tough one, Amarvi is worth thinking about as well but on the whole I'd go for a purge by fire, get rid of all of them. The stench of failure won't go away from any of this lot.
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Did I hear Ian Wright say bigger clubs than Villa have gone down and not come right back up? The TV was quiet so I might not have heard right.
If he did say that, who is bigger than us that hasn't come back up?
He said bigger clubs had gone down again the next season, the monumental twat.
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but as ever it comes back to how - one or two might command a small fee move; the rest will have to be paid off and I just can't see that happening.
Richards will find a club, Bacuna might get a move to Holland while Lescott and Guzan will be off to the MLS. Gabby though might be a real problem to shift. That's my plan for the
"fuck off five".
Thats how I see it Oz. Agbonlahor will sit tight,he has no intention of moving anywhere at all.
Yes I see N'Zogbia 2 with Gabby.
Or maybe he might express his desire for Champios League footy.
After all if Bacuna thinks he's good enough....
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I said yesterday that I really would not care about keeping anyone from the current squad. Thinking about it now I would make an exception for Grealish.
It's a tough one, Amarvi is worth thinking about as well but on the whole I'd go for a purge by fire, get rid of all of them. The stench of failure won't go away from any of this lot.
I think there's something salvageable in a few of them. The whole club is just so utterly awful right now I'd like to see what happens when the new board starts having an effect, the real waters are gone and a new manager comes in. I'm talking about players like Okore, Vertout and Gueye. Certainly Ayew.
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Yes I see N'Zogbia 2 with Gabby.
Or maybe he might express his desire for Champios League footy.
After all if Bacuna thinks he's good enough....
I don't see how The New Saints will be able to afford all these Villa players seeking Champions League football
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Yes Guzan for the forth, he could not hold onto a shoot that was only floated in the direction of the goal, disgusting keeping.
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I think we have to play Bacuna against Bournmouth.
He has PCLE. Pre Champions League Experience. Surely that guarantees him a spot in the team?
Like I said last night. That was an insult when he got game time yesterday.
You're right, of course, but it was great to have the opportunity to heap scorn on him. Hopefully he's got the message.
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I said yesterday that I really would not care about keeping anyone from the current squad. Thinking about it now I would make an exception for Grealish.
I've always said he's the only one in the whole squad with any ability. Regardless of the fact that he's done diddly squat this season if should be first name on the team sheet for the next few weeks (again as I've always said in front the abject Gill). The only hope for next season is to develop those with talent ….
… and I'd include Gestede in that too. I'm beginning to think he may have something. With the right service and the right layers around him he could still develop and be key next season.
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Judging by the reception Jack got at the end of the game, when he clapped the Holte End, he has a long,long way to before the fans turn on him.
I think (and hope) we'll see the best of him next season.
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I said yesterday that I really would not care about keeping anyone from the current squad. Thinking about it now I would make an exception for Grealish.
I've always said he's the only one in the whole squad with any ability. Regardless of the fact that he's done diddly squat this season if should be first name on the team sheet for the next few weeks (again as I've always said in front the abject Gill). The only hope for next season is to develop those with talent ….
… and I'd include Gestede in that too. I'm beginning to think he may have something. With the right service and the right layers around him he could still develop and be key next season.
Two players I'd certainly build around. Gestede gets hung out to dry for me each week as he gets no service from either flank. Get that right and whatever your opinion of him is he'll get goals.
Grealish could be in for a great season if he gets his head down and builds on his undoubted ability.
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Gestede clapped the Holte and the Witton and got applause back. I don't like that he's not up to it in the top flight but he's in no way an objectionable character as some of them are.
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Judging by the reception Jack got at the end of the game, when he clapped the Holte End, he has a long,long way to before the fans turn on him.
I think (and hope) we'll see the best of him next season.
Agreed, Jack has taken some absolute peltings from some posters on here, but I still believe he is the only true Villa player outside of the youth team that we can build a team around next season. I also think that, in spite his obvious limitations, Gestede shows the right attitude and probably has what is needed to to score goals next season. I would try to hold onto any of Ayew, Adama, Gana, Veretout, Okore and Amavi if we possibly can, although some of these would probably attract moves if wanted. The rest I would allow to fester in the reserves until we can get rid.
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Gestede clapped the Holte and the Witton and got applause back. I don't like that he's not up to it in the top flight but he's in no way an objectionable character as some of them are.
I don't mind Rudy. He's lacking in ability but he tries. And we've not helped him with thick as pigshit tactical decisions like putting Gestede up front and then not playing any widemen in the side. Cissokho and Hutton certainly aren't going to deliver from wide.
Sign a half reasonable winger. There's plenty in the championship who do well at the level. All you need is a bit of zip and a half decent cross. A bit of pace gets you a long way at that level. Traore will hopefully stay and stay fit.
Give Rudy the right supply and he'll score hatfuls at Championship level. There's no point selling him as he's the kind of striker we'd be having to buy anyway. No one that much better is going to sign for us. Same goes for Kozak, who could well stay, though his wages could be a problem.
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I thought that Gestede had a pretty good game, winning far more in the air than I've seen him win before.
The trouble was that most of the time there was no one anywhere near him to pick up the flick-ons / knock-downs.
It could also have been excellent tactics from Hiddink, letting Rudy win the ball and having his defenders just tidy up
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Iipleat said after the game he thought Gestede had had a good first half
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Just some random thoughts about yesterday: I actually think that yesterday's performance, despite the scoreline, was worse than the Liverpool match. Collectively there were more individual errors from our so called seasoned pro's than in the Liverpool game. There also seemed to be a far greater degree of f**k you attitude from the players, and you would have thought that professional pride would have kicked in and prevented another trouncing, but no, a very average Chelsea team didn't need to get out of second gear and absolutely trounced us. Some (Grealish and Gestede excluded) are stealing a living as professional footballers. I would have put more effort in yesterday, and trust me I'm shit, nearly fifty, overweight with arthritic hips.
As for the team selection. I know Black is only a caretaker manager, but why even bring Richards back into the defence. He is crap! If you are going to suspend Gabby, then surely you've got to do the same with Richards?
I mentioned Gestede earlier. He must have won almost every headed challenge that came his way, yet there was no one close to him throughout. I'm no football manager, but for McGrath's sake get someone playing off his shoulder. It ain't rocket science.
As for the substitutions, they came far far too late to change anything, and by the time that they did I personally was hoping that he wouldn't so that those lazy, useless c**ts could feel the full force of the abuse that quite rightly was coming their way.
A more horrible bunch of players I have yet to come across.(Hodge and Callaghan included)
Loved the Lerner you coward banner. Summed it up nicely.
Had a thought about another name for the new manager list. Gary McAllister anyone? Had us playing some nice football in the tail end of the Houllier season.
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It was weird watch your team get beat by goals from players called Lotus Bum-Cheek, Potato and one named after a donkey. If the guy accused of doping footballers ever went near Villa Park he would lose his customers overnight.
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just watched the full game , I did not know the score .
I actually worked 12 hours yesterday and saw probably 50 football fans who did not even mention Villa , no ha ha to my face , I just thought they are not even bothered to take the piss out of me .
So I thought I would watch the game as I did not know the score . I actually thought Chavski with no Costa , Hazard , oscar , Will I am , Cahill and even the thug Terry we could get something out of this.
until I saw Blacks team and thought , the same old shite.
The match was summed up with Black bringing on Bacuna . Why ? 1 . he is shit 2. hes a c@@t who thinks hes better than he his . Bad move by Black , so he just reminds me of the kMac's of the world , so get rid of him please.
what a sad embarrassing state we are in.
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It's fair to say Black failed the practical part of the interview.
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On Sky Sports goals on Sunday, Kammy has just said something about the fans not turning up! They put the Lerner Ucoward show your face banner. One would think that Kammy would be able to join up the dots! Thick twat. To be fair, Ben Shephard was most sympathetic as he has a family of Villa fans. Darren Anderton, guest, was very balanced with his response. The players have to give the fans something to cheer about, make them WANT to turn up!
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It was embarrassing seeing lescott come out second best to the lotus guy when he had about 3 yards on him. He couldn't even shield the ball from him. Ready for the knackers yard. Mugged off by the albion for sure. The number of bad decisions we've made over the past 5 years is astounding
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It was embarrassing seeing lescott come out second best to the lotus guy when he had about 3 yards on him. He couldn't even shield the ball from him. Ready for the knackers yard. Mugged off by the albion for sure. The number of bad decisions we've made over the past 5 years is astounding
Lescott was an unforgivable signing really by Tactics Timm. He was woeful against us in the cup last season and it was clear his legs and heart were gone.
Was wildly overrated anyway even at his peak. Decent athlete, way back, scored a decent number of goals. But was found out as a top level defender at City and England.
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I said yesterday that I really would not care about keeping anyone from the current squad. Thinking about it now I would make an exception for Grealish.
It's a tough one, Amarvi is worth thinking about as well but on the whole I'd go for a purge by fire, get rid of all of them. The stench of failure won't go away from any of this lot.
I think there's something salvageable in a few of them. The whole club is just so utterly awful right now I'd like to see what happens when the new board starts having an effect, the real waters are gone and a new manager comes in. I'm talking about players like Okore, Vertout and Gueye. Certainly Ayew.
That would ne my list. Dunno why people wanna keep Hutyon and Clark. Their dire.
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I said yesterday that I really would not care about keeping anyone from the current squad. Thinking about it now I would make an exception for Grealish.
It's a tough one, Amarvi is worth thinking about as well but on the whole I'd go for a purge by fire, get rid of all of them. The stench of failure won't go away from any of this lot.
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I think there's something salvageable in a few of them. The whole club is just so utterly awful right now I'd like to see what happens when the new board starts having an effect, the real waters are gone and a new manager comes in. I'm talking about players like Okore, Vertout and Gueye. Certainly Ayew.
That would ne my list. Dunno why people wanna keep Hutyon and Clark. Their dire.
Because they won't be the ones poisoning the dressing room and are Championship quality. Rome wasn't built in a day and we have bigger issues to face.
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I said yesterday that I really would not care about keeping anyone from the current squad. Thinking about it now I would make an exception for Grealish.
It's a tough one, Amarvi is worth thinking about as well but on the whole I'd go for a purge by fire, get rid of all of them. The stench of failure won't go away from any of this lot.
I think there's something salvageable in a few of them. The whole club is just so utterly awful right now I'd like to see what happens when the new board starts having an effect, the real waters are gone and a new manager comes in. I'm talking about players like Okore, Vertout and Gueye. Certainly Ayew.
That would ne my list. Dunno why people wanna keep Hutyon and Clark. Their dire.
I'd keep Hutton and Clark.
In fact, by back 4 for the rest of the season would be Hutton, Okore, Clark and Cissokho.
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I said yesterday that I really would not care about keeping anyone from the current squad. Thinking about it now I would make an exception for Grealish.
It's a tough one, Amarvi is worth thinking about as well but on the whole I'd go for a purge by fire, get rid of all of them. The stench of failure won't go away from any of this lot.
I think there's something salvageable in a few of them. The whole club is just so utterly awful right now I'd like to see what happens when the new board starts having an effect, the real waters are gone and a new manager comes in. I'm talking about players like Okore, Vertout and Gueye. Certainly Ayew.
That would ne my list. Dunno why people wanna keep Hutyon and Clark. Their dire.
I'd keep Hutton and Clark.
In fact, by back 4 for the rest of the season would be Hutton, Okore, Clark and Cissokho.
I agree with this back four and I would make Clark captain
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Won't be Hutton next week so it'll have to be either Richards or Bacuna at RB unfortunately
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I would of handed most of them a bin liner at the end of the game and said go and pick those paper planes up
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Won't be Hutton next week so it'll have to be either Richards or Bacuna at RB unfortunately
Is there any reason why Riccardo Calder can't be called up? Now we're down we might as well give some games to people who are hungry and want to play for us.
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Won't be Hutton next week so it'll have to be either Richards or Bacuna at RB unfortunately
Is there any reason why Riccardo Calder can't be called up? Now we're down we might as well give some games to people who are hungry and want to play for us.
I'm in total agreement with you. I don't buy the " We will affect the younger players if they are playing in a struggling side.
Right now we all know that the team needs a boost. Villa fans will get more excited by playing a few.
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Won't be Hutton next week so it'll have to be either Richards or Bacuna at RB unfortunately
Is there any reason why Riccardo Calder can't be called up? Now we're down we might as well give some games to people who are hungry and want to play for us.
I know we probably can't, but it would good to be able to recall Gardner while he is actually fit and playing to see how he does.
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It was embarrassing seeing lescott come out second best to the lotus guy when he had about 3 yards on him. He couldn't even shield the ball from him. Ready for the knackers yard. Mugged off by the albion for sure. The number of bad decisions we've made over the past 5 years is astounding
Lescott was an unforgivable signing really by Tactics Timm. He was woeful against us in the cup last season and it was clear his legs and heart were gone.
Was wildly overrated anyway even at his peak. Decent athlete, way back, scored a decent number of goals. But was found out as a top level defender at City and England.
It's a shame he's so obviously not only past his peak but pretty much on his last legs. He never seems comfortable receiving the ball and gets rid of it as soon as he can. What I will say, chewing gum/new car incident apart, is at least he seems to care, tries his best, attempts to get the defence organised. People throw him in the same group as Tosspot Richards and Gabby but I don't think he's even close to that lot, it's not that he's not trying his best, it's that his best is no longer good enough.
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It was embarrassing seeing lescott come out second best to the lotus guy when he had about 3 yards on him. He couldn't even shield the ball from him. Ready for the knackers yard. Mugged off by the albion for sure. The number of bad decisions we've made over the past 5 years is astounding
Lescott was an unforgivable signing really by Tactics Timm. He was woeful against us in the cup last season and it was clear his legs and heart were gone.
Was wildly overrated anyway even at his peak. Decent athlete, way back, scored a decent number of goals. But was found out as a top level defender at City and England.
It's a shame he's so obviously not only past his peak but pretty much on his last legs. He never seems comfortable receiving the ball and gets rid of it as soon as he can. What I will say, chewing gum/new car incident apart, is at least he seems to care, tries his best, attempts to get the defence organised. People throw him in the same group as Tosspot Richards and Gabby but I don't think he's even close to that lot, it's not that he's not trying his best, it's that his best is no longer good enough.
Thought he would be OK in the Championship next season, but I think it would be best for all concerned if he took up the much mooted offer from the MLS if it is still on the table. We will still need that experienced head who can organise though.
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I said yesterday that I really would not care about keeping anyone from the current squad. Thinking about it now I would make an exception for Grealish.
It's a tough one, Amarvi is worth thinking about as well but on the whole I'd go for a purge by fire, get rid of all of them. The stench of failure won't go away from any of this lot.
I think there's something salvageable in a few of them. The whole club is just so utterly awful right now I'd like to see what happens when the new board starts having an effect, the real waters are gone and a new manager comes in. I'm talking about players like Okore, Vertout and Gueye. Certainly Ayew.
That would ne my list. Dunno why people wanna keep Hutyon and Clark. Their dire.
I'd keep Hutton and Clark.
In fact, by back 4 for the rest of the season would be Hutton, Okore, Clark and Cissokho.
Cissokho is a total liability, his positioning is dire!
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The full backs are shit, but they are made to look even shitter by the inability of any of the midfielders to spot when they make a forward run and move over to give them some cover for when we inevitably lose possession.
The individuals are all poor, but they are not playing as a team in any way, shape or form and that's the reason we look so utterly cack.
We urgently need to weed out the unprofessional individuals who are generating the bad feeeling in the squad. Replace them with some hard-working team players and you'd see an improvement overall, I think.
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I said yesterday that I really would not care about keeping anyone from the current squad. Thinking about it now I would make an exception for Grealish.
It's a tough one, Amarvi is worth thinking about as well but on the whole I'd go for a purge by fire, get rid of all of them. The stench of failure won't go away from any of this lot.
I think there's something salvageable in a few of them. The whole club is just so utterly awful right now I'd like to see what happens when the new board starts having an effect, the real waters are gone and a new manager comes in. I'm talking about players like Okore, Vertout and Gueye. Certainly Ayew.
That would ne my list. Dunno why people wanna keep Hutyon and Clark. Their dire.
I'd keep Hutton and Clark.
In fact, by back 4 for the rest of the season would be Hutton, Okore, Clark and Cissokho.
Cissokho is a total liability, his positioning is dire!
So who would you play at left back?
At this point I'd pick a team based on lack of cuntishness rather than ability.
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Replace every reference to Newcastle, with Aston Villa and the True Geordie once again perfectly sums up how must of us feel about the Villa and it's current squad right now.
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I was grimly nodding along in agreement at everything he said.
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I was grimly nodding along in agreement at everything he said.
What he said about one player in your squad summing up your club, I'd apply to Gabby.
Used to be nifty. Used to attack with speed. Was rough around the edges and not quite good enough for the big time but on his day could roast the big boys, but has declined year upon year since 2010. Has become unfit for purpose and appears completely disinterested now. Gabby perfectly becomes the poster boy for gutless and heartless performances in this era of dire mis-management. Coasting. Trying to get away with the bare minimum. He shows so little care, which mirrors how little everyone in the higher echelons of the club appeared to care, like Randy, Fox etc.
Hopefully with the new board this will change, and one order of summer business will be to get rid of Flabby.
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Replace every reference to Newcastle, with Aston Villa and the True Geordie once again perfectly sums up how must of us feel about the Villa and it's current squad right now.
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Cheers Supertom. "Leicester are winning the league and we are getting fucking relegated."
I was nodding in agreement. Sigh.
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Replace every reference to Newcastle, with Aston Villa and the True Geordie once again perfectly sums up how must of us feel about the Villa and it's current squad right now.
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Cheers Supertom. "Leicester are winning the league and we are getting fucking relegated."
I was nodding in agreement. Sigh.
Much as I despise Newcastle I can't help but always feel for the True Geordie when watching his vids, as week by week both clubs are normally similarly woeful and have been asking for it for years.
Plus it's funny when they have an especially bad result. At least I can have a chuckle at another clubs expense and temporarily forget about my own.
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I was grimly nodding along in agreement at everything he said.
What he said about one player in your squad summing up your club, I'd apply to Gabby. Used to be nifty. Used to attack with speed. Was rough around the edges and not quite good enough for the big time but on his day could roast the big boys, but has declined year upon year since 2010. Has become unfit for purpose and appears completely disinterested now. Gabby perfectly becomes the poster boy for gutless and heartless performances in this era of dire mis-management. Coasting. Trying to get away with the bare minimum. He shows so little care, which mirrors how little everyone in the higher echelons of the club appeared to care, like Randy, Fox etc.
Hopefully with the new board this will change, and one order of summer business will be to get rid of Flabby.
Would have to be N'Zogbia for me.
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I love the True Geordie and yes the similarities are quite shocking. How can two genuinely big clubs get themselves into this mess with so much prior notice. Total incompetence, that's what.
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The parallels are the same, players don't care, he has it spot on , how can we be getting relegated in the same season that Leicester are running away with the title.
- good rant True Geordie.