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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dave4471 on March 17, 2016, 03:14:44 PM
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Hey, Apologies if someone has already posted about this but just seen that the General has been made a full member of the board.
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Jesus H Corbett!
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-owner-randy-lerner-11055402
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A trusted ally and someone equally as unqualified as Lerner & Fox to manage and run a football club. Makes sense.
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FFS!
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puke.
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I don't even know what this means. What will it mean that he is a full time board member? He's obviously very trusted by Randy and he means well. I hope he doesn't re-engage the fans like he used to be because the last thing anyone needs is to be told how ace things will be. He's a man of significant stature but he's lacking credibility in this capacity.
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I think it means he can approve expense claims up to a value of £100.00.
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Just when I thought I was out...they pull me back in.
Sounds as though Randy wants an ear to the ground. I wonder what's going on behind the scenes.
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Bloody glory hunter
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Bloody glory hunter
Yep arrived just in time for the relegation run in and subsequent party. I hope someone tells him that relegation isn't like a round of golf where the lowest score isn't the winner.
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I want to be there when he gives a rallying cry to the players like this one from March 2011 - "What we need now is to quit pointing fingers and everyone look at the Claret and Blue of our kit and the badge they are wearing and go out and kick the c**p out of the next teams we play until the end of the season."
You can imagine Richards and co staring blankly back at him.
Also bet he doesn't do one of his 'meet and greets' around the lower Holte like he used to be fond of. Methinks he might need a few marines in tow if he did.
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It could be positive.
If the General is there for board meetings he'll soon get a clear idea of how the new chaps operate.
I'm hoping he'll also hear how and why we need serious financing this summer.
If the General is convinced we finally have the right people leading the club and matters are being dealt with professionally and intelligently, who better to report back to Randy Lerner? Hopefully it will give Lerner more confidence to financially support us and speed things up.
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Could someone tell me what skills does Charles Krulak possess that would be of help to Aston Villa? Will he be paid a salary for these skills?
Depressing in the extreme.
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Needs to bring his mates General Disarray and Major Fuckup with him.
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It could be positive.
If the General is there for board meetings he'll soon get a clear idea of how the new chaps operate.
I'm hoping he'll also hear how and why we need serious financing this summer.
If the General is convinced we finally have the right people leading the club and matters are being dealt with professionally and intelligently, who better to report back to Randy Lerner? Hopefully it will give Lerner more confidence to financially support us and speed things up.
He's certainly got Randy's ear so given now that for the first time we appear to have professionals in place, you could very well be right that it might expedite the recovery process. He'd be naive to adopt the same role as he had before.
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Needs to bring his mates General Disarray and Major Fuckup with him.
I think you'll find Major Fuckup has been here all season.
Nice one though, cheered my shit afternoon at work right up! 😄
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I don't know what to think about this. Previously his role was clearly to try to find out what the fans wanted (away from playing matters) by being involved in the community. When things turned that role clearly became unsuitable as the majority of the last 2 years were people using him to sound off at over the footballing side which was very clearly stated as not part of the remit. Unfortunately he was as responsible as anyone else for the blurring of those lines and the way he withdrew clearly wasn't ideal but it probably came 2-3 years later than it should've.
I have no idea what he'll bring to this new role but I can understand Randy wanting someone he knows he can trust to be part of the conversations, I just hope it doesn't undermine Hollis who I think is just starting to get some control over things.
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Great. Did we ever get to find out what his favourite biscuit was last time?
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For me, this would be akin to bringing back Doug for some kind of role and by that I mean the General, like Doug, is tarnished with failure. The guy was part of Randy's set-up for the first four or five years - a set-up that had no plan or strategy and a set-up that fed Villa fans a whole load of bunkum and moonshine. Maybe the General wants to come back to prove that he and Randy aren't hiding now times have got tough? Too little too late if that is the idea. The General is symbolic of the rampant f#ckwittery that has finally got us relegated - the sooner Randy and his associates clear off the better.
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I don't know what to think about this. Previously his role was clearly to try to find out what the fans wanted (away from playing matters) by being involved in the community. When things turned that role clearly became unsuitable as the majority of the last 2 years were people using him to sound off at over the footballing side which was very clearly stated as not part of the remit. Unfortunately he was as responsible as anyone else for the blurring of those lines and the way he withdrew clearly wasn't ideal but it probably came 2-3 years later than it should've.
I have no idea what he'll bring to this new role but I can understand Randy wanting someone he knows he can trust to be part of the conversations, I just hope it doesn't undermine Hollis who I think is just starting to get some control over things.
It has all the hallmarks of classic Lerner fuzzy-thinking. Who is reporting to whom? Who is calling the shots?
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Anybody seen Saunders_ Heroes? ;)
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I don't know what to think about this. Previously his role was clearly to try to find out what the fans wanted (away from playing matters) by being involved in the community. When things turned that role clearly became unsuitable as the majority of the last 2 years were people using him to sound off at over the footballing side which was very clearly stated as not part of the remit. Unfortunately he was as responsible as anyone else for the blurring of those lines and the way he withdrew clearly wasn't ideal but it probably came 2-3 years later than it should've.
I have no idea what he'll bring to this new role but I can understand Randy wanting someone he knows he can trust to be part of the conversations, I just hope it doesn't undermine Hollis who I think is just starting to get some control over things.
It has all the hallmarks of classic Lerner fuzzy-thinking. Who is reporting to whom? Who is calling the shots?
Good point, Billy. They will need to have very clearly defined lines for this to work.
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I just hope it doesn't undermine Hollis who I think is just starting to get some control over things.
This is my concern, too.
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Unless he moves over here, which is unlikely, he won't have much day to day involvement so I can't see how this changes much of anything.
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Jesus Christ, that's all we need. Happy enough to hang around peddling his propaganda when things were going OK, then as soon as the shit hits the fan, disappears without a by your leave. I'd also like to hear his thoughts on the shameless use of the Proud History, Bright Future nonsense at his American college. I trust he's left them in less of a mess than we were in when he stopped taking an interest here.
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Anybody seen Saunders_ Heroes? ;)
If this doesn't get Mazrim back, nothing will!
Sir, yes sir!!!!
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Someone's got to keep an eye on these limeys that are now running the show.
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*waves at pelty*
Good luck to the OM, he'll need it.
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Needs to bring his mates General Disarray and Major Fuckup with him.
And Private Browsing.
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Unless he moves over here, which is unlikely, he won't have much day to day involvement so I can't see how this changes much of anything.
So what would be the point of this move by Hollis/Randy? It is being claimed he is now "fully fledged director" which suggests a far more involved role. If he wanted to stay part time or in the background why change anything in terms of structure at board level.
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Has he been asked about the pies yet?
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I just hope it doesn't undermine Hollis who I think is just starting to get some control over things.
This is my concern, too.
And mine, and as somebody said, classic Lerner nonsense. Either pick a board who can operate effectively and are people you trust, or don't. Picking his mates has gone extremely badly so far, and for the first time we're starting to get something that actually looks like a properly constituted board of directors. So what does he do, picks his mate again, who knows nothing about football and clearly did nothing to help the situation last time. What was his input when O'Neill was running around blowing the family silver?
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Oops!
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Has he been asked about the pies yet?
Yeah. He said to contact Nicky Keyes.
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Unless he moves over here, which is unlikely, he won't have much day to day involvement so I can't see how this changes much of anything.
So what would be the point of this move by Hollis/Randy? It is being claimed he is now "fully fledged director" which suggests a far more involved role. If he wanted to stay part time or in the background why change anything in terms of structure at board level.
No idea but given the structural impact Hollis has had so far I can't see any way he would tolerate his authority being undermined.
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Unless he moves over here, which is unlikely, he won't have much day to day involvement so I can't see how this changes much of anything.
So what would be the point of this move by Hollis/Randy? It is being claimed he is now "fully fledged director" which suggests a far more involved role. If he wanted to stay part time or in the background why change anything in terms of structure at board level.
No idea but given the structural impact Hollis has had so far I can't see any way he would tolerate his authority being undermined.
I'd go along with that which makes the appointment all the more interesting, and to discover what exactly his role will be? For this to go from long distance consultant to a formal appointment to the board suggests he will very defined duties.
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Needs to bring his mates General Disarray and Major Fuckup with him.
Boom! Boom! :D
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Needs to bring his mates General Disarray and Major Fuckup with him.
And Private Browsing.
It's a shame we can't employ Corporal Punishment to sort out the match day squad.
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Krulak arrives to tell Fox to fox off
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Krulak arrives to tell Fox to fox off
Maybe Tom's hiding in a fox hole?
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Needs to bring his mates General Disarray and Major Fuckup with him.
And Private Browsing.
It's a shame we can't employ Corporal Punishment to sort out the match day squad.
I'm sure they'll adopt a Private Matter for that.
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Major overhaul
Where are you
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He probably still thinks MON is manager and we are challenging for the chumps league
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If the goalie Andy hadn't left, we could field Marshall.
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Just when you think Randy can't get any more strange he comes out with another jaffa.
How Randy got out of the straight jacket to sign this off is beyond me.
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You all deserve a Patton the back for these military puns
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I never had a problem with the general, always liked him to be honest
for those who say he cleared off when things got tough, how come he's come back when things are as bad as it gets
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He's come to look for the smoking gun I reckon......Gabby will be shitting it.
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The best thing Krulak could of done for Randy is to give give him a slap and tell him
' Come on son it's failed,its not worth a lot just get rid and move on.
Love can be cruel sometimes.
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Needs to bring his mates General Disarray and Major Fuckup with him.
General Disarray is all over the place these days so unlikely to gather himself around Villa Park and Major Fuckup has been promoted to Leftintent Colonel.
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I never had a problem with the general, always liked him to be honest
for those who say he cleared off when things got tough, how come he's come back when things are as bad as it gets
Because he was taking loads of flak personally on here and other sites.
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A strange move. I've nothing against the bloke but it comes across as a bit unnecessary.
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Didn't do anything of note last time so i'm not sure what he's back for. P.R.? The phrase "too many chiefs, not enough indians" springs to mind.
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Needs to bring his mates General Disarray and Major Fuckup with him.
General Disarray is all over the place these days so unlikely to gather himself around Villa Park and Major Fuckup has been promoted to Leftintent Colonel.
You've missed General Malaise. He never seems to stop working.
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Fucking hell
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Hope he's not inspired by Donald Trump!
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One prick leaves and another arrives.
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One prick leaves and another arrives.
Why is Krulak a prick?
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one bell out one double bell in
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That's exactly what we need.
The return of one of the very people who created this monumental clusterfuck in the first place.
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One prick leaves and another arrives.
Why is Krulak a prick?
Lerner's yes man. I remember when he used to frequent our message boards and talk to fans, he was loving it at the start and thought he was great liaising with fans. Then when we turned to shit he was nowhere to be seen and when he did occasionally still post he couldn't give a straight answer and avoided any issues. He's full of bollocks, just like Fox was.
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One prick leaves and another arrives.
Why is Krulak a prick?
Lerner's yes man. I remember when he used to frequent our message boards and talk to fans, he was loving it at the start and thought he was great liaising with fans. Then when we turned to shit he was nowhere to be seen and when he did occasionally still post he couldn't give a straight answer and avoided any issues. He's full of bollocks, just like Fox was.
Calling him a "prick" is a bit childish, no?
And I agree - he spent ages telling us they were here for the long run, only to disappear without so much as a goodbye pretty much the exact time things started getting tough.
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When the going got tough, the tough certainly got going.
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When the going got tough, the tough certainly got going.
Fashioned a rope from "Proud History, Bright Future" scarves and shimmied out the bathroom window.
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When the going got tough, the tough certainly got going.
Fashioned a rope from "Proud History, Bright Future" scarves and shimmied out the bathroom window.
And then unknotted the rope and reused them in a different Birmingham.
My favourite Krulakism was "Imagine what he [McLeish] could do with the backing of somebody like Randy!"
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When the going got tough, the tough certainly got going.
Fashioned a rope from "Proud History, Bright Future" scarves and shimmied out the bathroom window.
And then unknotted the rope and reused them in a different Birmingham.
My favourite Krulakism was "Imagine what he [McLeish] could do with the backing of somebody like Randy!"
Blimey. And many millions later we had N'Zogbia, Given, Hutton on bottom line crushing deals.
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When the going got tough, the tough certainly got going.
Fashioned a rope from "Proud History, Bright Future" scarves and shimmied out the bathroom window.
And then unknotted the rope and reused them in a different Birmingham.
My favourite Krulakism was "Imagine what he [McLeish] could do with the backing of somebody like Randy!"
Do you know, that is the exact same thing that pops into my mind first when I think of him.
Plus, I remember him talking about "our captain, who can run like a deer". He meant NRC, so didn't realise he also had the ball control skills of a deer. A stuffed one.
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I love this place sometimes. Some of the posts today have had me in bits.
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When the going got tough, the tough certainly got going.
Fashioned a rope from "Proud History, Bright Future" scarves and shimmied out the bathroom window.
And then unknotted the rope and reused them in a different Birmingham.
My favourite Krulakism was "Imagine what he [McLeish] could do with the backing of somebody like Randy!"
Do you know, that is the exact same thing that pops into my mind first when I think of him.
Plus, I remember him talking about "our captain, who can run like a deer". He meant NRC, so didn't realise he also had the ball control skills of a deer. A stuffed one.
Who needs to control a ball when you can throw some shapes like this:
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I never had a problem with the general, always liked him to be honest
for those who say he cleared off when things got tough, how come he's come back when things are as bad as it gets
Because he was taking loads of flak personally on here and other sites.
But he's still getting flak and he's back
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Will he get paid?
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I never had a problem with the general, always liked him to be honest
for those who say he cleared off when things got tough, how come he's come back when things are as bad as it gets
Because he was taking loads of flak personally on here and other sites.
But he's still getting flak and he's back
He's back at the club.
When people say he fucked off at the first sign of trouble, they're referring to his high profile presence on these sites - where he would repeatedly tell us how they would be here "through thick and thin".
He then promptly disappeared when things went pear shaped and Randy's fuel bill for his plane got much more manageable.
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Maybe he finally knows what the capacity of VP is.
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When the going got tough, the tough certainly got going.
It got very childish and at times rude with a few jokers trying to make a name for themselves so I hardly blame him for jacking it in.
Saying that, he could and should have said goodbye.
My biggest concern is not his returning but the health of our dear Saunders_Heroes. Where is he? I really hope he's okay.
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Plus, I remember him talking about "our captain, who can run like a deer". He meant NRC, so didn't realise he also had the ball control skills of a deer. A stuffed one.
Wasn't Bambi a deer?
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Krulak is back, Krulak is back, hello, hello.
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I never had a problem with the general, always liked him to be honest
for those who say he cleared off when things got tough, how come he's come back when things are as bad as it gets
Money, I suspect.
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Yet another new appointment to the board. Not the actions of an owner who is selling. I really do fear Randy is going nowhere. The general is back to train the stewards for the battle of the banner people.
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Krulak is Randys eyes and ears. Does this not seek to undermine Hollis? It would be helpful if someone spoke to us, er, customers, to tell us what the roles are. What's the plan to get back into the Premier League.
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I never had a problem with the general, always liked him to be honest
for those who say he cleared off when things got tough, how come he's come back when things are as bad as it gets
Because he was taking loads of flak personally on here and other sites.
But he's still getting flak and he's back
He's back at the club.
When people say he fucked off at the first sign of trouble, they're referring to his high profile presence on these sites - where he would repeatedly tell us how they would be here "through thick and thin".
He then promptly disappeared when things went pear shaped and Randy's fuel bill for his plane got much more manageable.
Maybe he'l come back on the sites
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Kick Ass ! 40 points ! We're staying up you limey bastards !
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I never had a problem with the general, always liked him to be honest
for those who say he cleared off when things got tough, how come he's come back when things are as bad as it gets
Money, I suspect.
That's funnier than Paulie's line about the "Proud History, Bright Future" scarves and out the bathroom window. Now if you'd said taking care of Randy's money you may have had a point.
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Kick Ass ! 40 points ! We're staying up you limey bastards !
Ooh Rah!
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Don't like the idea of Krulak returning - these bloody Americans are useless! Need him, Lerner, Reilly out of the club. New regime was taking shape - this also suggests Lerner isn't leaving anytime soon.
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FUBAR, surely.
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Can someone bring a 'Krulak out Banner' for the next home game?
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I never had a problem with the general, always liked him to be honest
for those who say he cleared off when things got tough, how come he's come back when things are as bad as it gets
Because he was taking loads of flak personally on here and other sites.
But he's still getting flak and he's back
He's back at the club.
When people say he fucked off at the first sign of trouble, they're referring to his high profile presence on these sites - where he would repeatedly tell us how they would be here "through thick and thin".
He then promptly disappeared when things went pear shaped and Randy's fuel bill for his plane got much more manageable.
Maybe he'l come back on the sites
That's not the point, though, is it?
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He should have a good idea about delivering more with less, when you consider he had less than 5% of the DoD budget to deliver a tri-service expeditionary capability, with largely more capable personnel than their brethren.
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I hope he doesn't, couldn't stand another outbreak of sycophancy on here. Is his return part of the five year plan?
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I think he exhausted his use anyway. How many different ways were there to ask ultimately irrelevant questions about things like catering and so on? Everytime he mentioned anything else, I would guess the rest of the board winced.
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I never had a problem with the general, always liked him to be honest
for those who say he cleared off when things got tough, how come he's come back when things are as bad as it gets
Money, I suspect.
I doubt he has earned, or will earn, a single penny.
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Has he quit that School he was governing?
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It looks to me that Lerner has been so stung by his Villa experiences that he doesn't even want to think about us. Krulak knows what he (Lerner) wants so he's dealing with what goes on and unless there's a fire at Bodymore Heath Lerner doesn't need to think about us until we've recouped some market value.
That's my 100% uninformed conjecture and I'm sticking to it until I change my mind.
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Has he quit that School he was governing?
Seems so.
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Some of the posts on here are class; which goes to prove that in the face of adversity bringing back a well-pipped US military man brings out the best in British irony.
What his role is, who knows and who cares, TBH.
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I think he exhausted his use anyway. How many different ways were there to ask ultimately irrelevant questions about things like catering and so on? Everytime he mentioned anything else, I would guess the rest of the board winced.
Yep, as I said earlier, he probably should have walked away from the forums with a polite thank you 2-3 earlier. When it started it was a very good idea, worked well and led to a lot of positives but by the start of mon's last season it felt 'old' and by the end of that year the whole concept just didn't make sense any more. His biggest mistake was allowing it to go on too long and that led to the silly comments that came towards the end (like the McLeish one that already popped up) because by then all anyone was interested in was what was happening on the pitch.
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The average age of the board is rising by the day. We need a bit of young spunk aswell.
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Young Dwight Yorke sounded rather passionate on TS this morning.
Don't think he should be manager, but could his enthusiasm for the club be channeled into the Board?
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Young Dwight Yorke sounded rather passionate on TS this morning.
Don't think he should be manager, but could his enthusiasm for the club be channeled into the Board?
referring to him as Young Dwight Yorke makes you sound like Doug Ellis
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The other thing is, the Board looks well, rather like a collection of talented financial white men of a certain age. And Our Brian as advisor.
I have to say, no problem with any of the recent appointments so far.
However...
I would be looking for the Board of Aston Villa to include men and women who hold relevant expertise and represent the Club where and when it operates, right now.
Could it expand? And, is that unrealistic?
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Young Dwight Yorke sounded rather passionate on TS this morning.
Don't think he should be manager, but could his enthusiasm for the club be channeled into the Board?
referring to him as Young Dwight Yorke makes you sound like Doug Ellis
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Young in comparison to the other members of the Board was what I meant!
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The other thing is, the Board looks well, rather like a collection of talented financial white men of a certain age. And Our Brian as advisor.
I have to say, no problem with any of the recent appointments so far.
However...
I would be looking for the Board of Aston Villa to include men and women who hold relevant expertise and represent the Club where and when it operates, right now.
Could it expand? And, is that unrealistic?
We appear to have the finance side fairly well covered, as you point out. Sales and marketing/commercial looks weak, which ironically is probably what Tom Fox should have been brought in to do. I don't care whether people are young/old, white/black or male/female, as long as they're better than the shower of idiots we've suffered for so long. It's hard to see what Yorke would add at director level though. Some sort of club ambassador role would suit him better I reckon.
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The other thing is, the Board looks well, rather like a collection of talented financial white men of a certain age. And Our Brian as advisor.
I have to say, no problem with any of the recent appointments so far.
However...
I would be looking for the Board of Aston Villa to include men and women who hold relevant expertise and represent the Club where and when it operates, right now.
Could it expand? And, is that unrealistic?
We appear to have the finance side fairly well covered, as you point out. Sales and marketing/commercial looks weak, which ironically is probably what Tom Fox should have been brought in to do. I don't care whether people are young/old, white/black or male/female, as long as they're better than the shower of idiots we've suffered for so long. It's hard to see what Yorke would add at director level though. Some sort of club ambassador role would suit him better I reckon.
It would be good to actively search for some more new members of the Board who could fulfil the operational roles and represent if possible a wider demographic representing the fans. We're in trouble. I want the best!
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The other thing is, the Board looks well, rather like a collection of talented financial white men of a certain age. And Our Brian as advisor.
I have to say, no problem with any of the recent appointments so far.
However...
I would be looking for the Board of Aston Villa to include men and women who hold relevant expertise and represent the Club where and when it operates, right now.
Could it expand? And, is that unrealistic?
We appear to have the finance side fairly well covered, as you point out. Sales and marketing/commercial looks weak, which ironically is probably what Tom Fox should have been brought in to do. I don't care whether people are young/old, white/black or male/female, as long as they're better than the shower of idiots we've suffered for so long. It's hard to see what Yorke would add at director level though. Some sort of club ambassador role would suit him better I reckon.
... selling end of season videos
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The other thing is, the Board looks well, rather like a collection of talented financial white men of a certain age. And Our Brian as advisor.
I have to say, no problem with any of the recent appointments so far.
However...
I would be looking for the Board of Aston Villa to include men and women who hold relevant expertise and represent the Club where and when it operates, right now.
Could it expand? And, is that unrealistic?
We appear to have the finance side fairly well covered, as you point out. Sales and marketing/commercial looks weak, which ironically is probably what Tom Fox should have been brought in to do. I don't care whether people are young/old, white/black or male/female, as long as they're better than the shower of idiots we've suffered for so long. It's hard to see what Yorke would add at director level though. Some sort of club ambassador role would suit him better I reckon.
... selling end of season videos
.........of him and Jordan, with a fleeting appearance by Bosnich.
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The other thing is, the Board looks well, rather like a collection of talented financial white men of a certain age. And Our Brian as advisor.
I have to say, no problem with any of the recent appointments so far.
However...
I would be looking for the Board of Aston Villa to include men and women who hold relevant expertise and represent the Club where and when it operates, right now.
Could it expand? And, is that unrealistic?
where's Nicky Key when she's needed?
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Instead of sending Krulak over here its about time Lerner himself came over and sorted the mess out that he's created by being the absent Landlord - he's a useless businessman.
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The other thing is, the Board looks well, rather like a collection of talented financial white men of a certain age. And Our Brian as advisor.
I have to say, no problem with any of the recent appointments so far.
However...
I would be looking for the Board of Aston Villa to include men and women who hold relevant expertise and represent the Club where and when it operates, right now.
Could it expand? And, is that unrealistic?
We appear to have the finance side fairly well covered, as you point out. Sales and marketing/commercial looks weak, which ironically is probably what Tom Fox should have been brought in to do. I don't care whether people are young/old, white/black or male/female, as long as they're better than the shower of idiots we've suffered for so long. It's hard to see what Yorke would add at director level though. Some sort of club ambassador role would suit him better I reckon.
... selling end of season videos
.........of him and Jordan, with a fleeting appearance by Bosnich.
With CNZ out of the door we need somebody with extremely bad dress sense to fill the void. Sorry Dwight but unless your playing, it's a no from me.
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Instead of sending Krulak over here its about time Lerner himself came over and sorted the mess out that he's created by being the absent Landlord - he's a useless businessman.
Dear God don't let him anywhere VP again!
Every time he regains a little interest and intervenes it gets worse
Let Hollis do his worst with the wasters and then set us on an even financial keel
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The other thing is, the Board looks well, rather like a collection of talented financial white men of a certain age. And Our Brian as advisor.
I have to say, no problem with any of the recent appointments so far.
However...
I would be looking for the Board of Aston Villa to include men and women who hold relevant expertise and represent the Club where and when it operates, right now.
Could it expand? And, is that unrealistic?
where's Nicky Key when she's needed?
He (the general) is probably going to work on offence and defence strategy.
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Instead of sending Krulak over here its about time Lerner himself came over and sorted the mess out that he's created by being the absent Landlord - he's a useless businessman.
Dear God don't let him anywhere VP again!
Every time he regains a little interest and intervenes it gets worse
Let Hollis do his worst with the wasters and then set us on an even financial keel
I was wondering the other day what other business interests Lerner has. I know there's the restaurant in the Hamptons, but surely he doesn't have anything else that he's sunk £300m into. I've never met someone with so much money invested in something who spends so little time actually doing anything about it. Classic rich boy plaything behaviour.
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It all looks like -pre-administration to me.
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Welcome back General Krulak.
Question number one. What is the punishment in the U.S. marines for desertion?
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Welcome back General Krulak.
Question number one. What is the punishment in the U.S. marines for desertion?
We all have to sing a new song-'Merry Christmas, War is over'.
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Question number two. Have you got any more of that snake oil you were selling last time you were here.?
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It all looks like -pre-administration to me.
Phone up Fransky on his WM show and tell him that. He'd lap it up.
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Just when things seemed to moving in the right direction off the field, this clown (in football terms - I fully respect his military career) pops his head up again. I can somewhat understand Lerner wanting one of his 'men' on the inside, but it is his 'men' that have got us in this position.
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Has he quit that School he was governing?
Seems so.
Disappeared halfway through a graduation ceremony, not so much as a good bye.
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I think he will try to interfere without knowing what he is talking about.Not a sports person and certainly not a football person. Hope he stays in the USA while Hollis King and Bernstein sort our problems out.p
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while Hollis King and Bernstein sort our problems out.p
Sounds like a law firm.
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I think he will try to interfere without knowing what he is talking about.Not a sports person and certainly not a football person. Hope he stays in the USA while Hollis King and Bernstein sort our problems out.p
Along with spouting nonsense in the press. We really could with maintaining some dignity in the coming months and the last thin we need are his ill informed opinions plastered over newspapers.
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This is my rifle.....
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It all looks like -pre-administration to me.
Phone up Fransky on his WM show and tell him that. He'd lap it up.
Have to say one of the few benefits of not living in the Midlands for 30 years is I have never had to listen to WM.
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while Hollis King and Bernstein sort our problems out.p
Sounds like a law firm.
Our Law Firm should be Wright Hassall!
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.....which does, of course, exist as an LLP.
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.....which does, of course, exist as an LLP.
Ours would be an LLL
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ours would surely be Total Liability Pillocks
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Krulak's return just demonstrates that despite all of recent board changes,Lerner still hasn't got a scooby. It would be laughable if it wasn't so painful.
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Krulak's return just demonstrates that despite all of recent board changes,Lerner still hasn't got a scooby. It would be laughable if it wasn't so painful.
Exactly.
Nothing has changed. Yes the departures we saw last week were necessary as they had failed catastrophically, but nothing will change until Lerner sells up.
It will take much more than a couple of dinosaurs being appointed to sort this mess out.
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Krulak's return just demonstrates that despite all of recent board changes,Lerner still hasn't got a scooby. It would be laughable if it wasn't so painful.
If anything, it says Lerner is happy to hand over almost all control to Hollis and just wants someone to keep an occasional eye open for him. I can't see how that's anything but good news.
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Krulak's return just demonstrates that despite all of recent board changes,Lerner still hasn't got a scooby. It would be laughable if it wasn't so painful.
Exactly.
Nothing has changed. Yes the departures we saw last week were necessary as they had failed catastrophically, but nothing will change until Lerner sells up.
It will take much more than a couple of dinosaurs being appointed to sort this mess out.
Of course something has changed. When else in the last five years have we had a former governor of the Bank of England, a former FA chairman and one of the greatest ever Villa players involved in decision making?
And are you ever capable of making a point without resorting to personal insults?
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Krulak's return just demonstrates that despite all of recent board changes,Lerner still hasn't got a scooby. It would be laughable if it wasn't so painful.
If anything, it says Lerner is happy to hand over almost all control to Hollis and just wants someone to keep an occasional eye open for him. I can't see how that's anything but good news.
If that's the case then he could occasionally drop by himself.
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Krulak's return just demonstrates that despite all of recent board changes,Lerner still hasn't got a scooby. It would be laughable if it wasn't so painful.
If anything, it says Lerner is happy to hand over almost all control to Hollis and just wants someone to keep an occasional eye open for him. I can't see how that's anything but good news.
If that's the case then he could occasionally drop by himself.
He could, but I'd rather people who are good at their jobs are doing them.
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Krulak's return just demonstrates that despite all of recent board changes,Lerner still hasn't got a scooby. It would be laughable if it wasn't so painful.
Exactly.
Nothing has changed. Yes the departures we saw last week were necessary as they had failed catastrophically, but nothing will change until Lerner sells up.
It will take much more than a couple of dinosaurs being appointed to sort this mess out.
Of course something has changed. When else in the last five years have we had a former governor of the Bank of England, a former FA chairman and one of the greatest ever Villa players involved in decision making?
And are you ever capable of making a point without resorting to personal insults?
I don't see that being governor at the Bank of England qualifies him to be involved in decision making at a football club in need of a total clear out and rebuild.
Bernstein was hugely successful at Man City when they were in the doldrums, but that was a long time ago now. Plus at 72 is he really going to here long term in a lengthy rebuild programme ?
Even Brian Little. A club legend, but it's been a good few years since he's been involved at such a high level in the game.
Yes it's a start, but the common denominator in our six year decline is Lerner. I'm sceptical about him being out of the equation. It's his cub and he is the shareholder. He'll still need to be sanction any investment moving forward.
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Krulak's return just demonstrates that despite all of recent board changes,Lerner still hasn't got a scooby. It would be laughable if it wasn't so painful.
If anything, it says Lerner is happy to hand over almost all control to Hollis and just wants someone to keep an occasional eye open for him. I can't see how that's anything but good news.
If that's the case then he could occasionally drop by himself.
He could, but I'd rather people who are good at their jobs are doing them.
How has Krulak shown that he is good at his job? That of being a Director of a football club?
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Krulak's return just demonstrates that despite all of recent board changes,Lerner still hasn't got a scooby. It would be laughable if it wasn't so painful.
If anything, it says Lerner is happy to hand over almost all control to Hollis and just wants someone to keep an occasional eye open for him. I can't see how that's anything but good news.
If that's the case then he could occasionally drop by himself.
He could, but I'd rather people who are good at their jobs are doing them.
How has Krulak shown that he is good at his job? That of being a Director of a football club?
Or perhaps I was referring to the other members of the board.
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Well unless you specifically say that on a krulak thread when you quote someone talking about Krulak, and refer to krulak, I'm going to assume you're talking about Krulak.
Still, I take it that you're not.
I don't understand why Lerner needs an eyes and ears in the form of Krulak unless he's there just to say what Lerner should be saying anyway. Really unsure why he's back. I'm honestly struggling to see his remit and what we gain from having him on board.
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Well unless you specifically say that on a krulak thread when you quote someone talking about Krulak, and refer to krulak, I'm going to assume you're talking about Krulak.
Still, I take it that you're not.
I don't understand why Lerner needs an eyes and ears in the form of Krulak unless he's there just to say what Lerner should be saying anyway. Really unsure why he's back. I'm honestly struggling to see his remit and what we gain from having him on board.
I don't know why he's back either apart from that maybe his health has now improved so he can fly the Atlantic again and Randy wants someone to keep an eye on the store. There are two things I am sure about though. 1) His presence will be the cause for great wailing and gnashing of teeth on the internet. 2) The majority of Villa supporters couldn't care less about it.
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Krulak's return just demonstrates that despite all of recent board changes,Lerner still hasn't got a scooby. It would be laughable if it wasn't so painful.
Exactly.
Nothing has changed. Yes the departures we saw last week were necessary as they had failed catastrophically, but nothing will change until Lerner sells up.
It will take much more than a couple of dinosaurs being appointed to sort this mess out.
Of course something has changed. When else in the last five years have we had a former governor of the Bank of England, a former FA chairman and one of the greatest ever Villa players involved in decision making?
And are you ever capable of making a point without resorting to personal insults?
I don't see that being governor at the Bank of England qualifies him to be involved in decision making at a football club in need of a total clear out and rebuild.
Bernstein was hugely successful at Man City when they were in the doldrums, but that was a long time ago now. Plus at 72 is he really going to here long term in a lengthy rebuild programme ?
Even Brian Little. A club legend, but it's been a good few years since he's been involved at such a high level in the game.
Yes it's a start, but the common denominator in our six year decline is Lerner. I'm sceptical about him being out of the equation. It's his cub and he is the shareholder. He'll still need to be sanction any investment moving forward.
So if it's a start, something has changed hasn't it?
And if you see adding a lifetime's experience of top level finance, decades of running a club and the national F.A. and a 30+ year career as footballer, coach, manager and director of football to the board as a negative, then there's probably no point in arguing with you.
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I haven't got a clue what Krulak's role/remit is, I don't think think any of us do.
I just hope he stays away from the press, we've all had more than enough ridicule and humiliation.
If I was into humiliation I'd pay for it in Amsterdam, at least that way you can keep it private and out of the media, and not have people
pointing and sniggering at you.
Enough already.
Please behave Mr Krulak.
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This is the main issue as I see it, it is Randy Lerner's club and he can draft in whoever he see's fit, but I hope the General has been drafted in with the remit, the less said to the press and the supporters Mr. Krulak the better, tryed that one and it did not work, no need to go there again.
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There's a feeling that by appointing Hollis and the removal of some and the addition of others that at last the penny had dropped and Lerner was appointing a board fit for purpose. Then he goes and appoints his dad's mate. Strange one and seems Lerner hasn't fully learned nor does he trust those he's just appointed.
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Peter W, second point is spot on, he does not trust his appointments for whatever reason, look at Faulkner, you got the impression he would phone or video call Lerner if he wanted to go for a piss, Fox again promoted above station but guaranteed everything he done went through Lerner or appointed person back in the states.
Holis may be quite correct when he says he is not Lerner's puppet, the only issue will be when a decision has to be made that they do not agree on, or more importantly Lerner does not agree, that's why I honestly believe even with the foundations of what seems a proper board structure put in place, it is still while Randy is owner, built on sand.
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There's a feeling that by appointing Hollis and the removal of some and the addition of others that at last the penny had dropped and Lerner was appointing a board fit for purpose. Then he goes and appoints his dad's mate. Strange one and seems Lerner hasn't fully learned nor does he trust those he's just appointed.
That's my take on it too Peter. If he's going to draft Krulak in again, why doesn't he take more of a personal interest? What other business has he got that he's invested £300m in? If he'd paid a bit more attention, perhaps he wouldn't have seen 75% of that pissed up the wall.
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Does anyone know what his other business interests are these days?
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Does anyone know what his other business interests are these days?
He's just bought a job lot of 8 track car stereos, Goblin Teasmades and the rights to Gary Glitter's back catalogue.
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Does anyone know what his other business interests are these days?
He's just bought a job lot of 8 track car stereos, Goblin Teasmades and the rights to Gary Glitter's back catalogue.
He'll have to flog some of his Betamx videos, Free Nelson Mandela t shirts and Sinclair C5s to make room in his lock up.
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Does anyone know what his other business interests are these days?
He has gone all in on Time Share Appartments in Raqqa.
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Seems strange that when Hollis gave his media interviews the other day he made no mention of the General joining the board. Admittedly it was recorded the day before the announcement was made but I don't believe for a minute Hollis never knew about it days, if not weeks before. It would have been discussed with Lerner and agreed.
Maybe the General won't take over any specific role other than representing Lerner on the board. In a way it makes sense even if it does interfere with Hollis' direct line to Lerner. I believe the General is far too wise to disrupt things and hopefully he won't feel the need to defend Lerner in the media every time somebody says something uncomplimentary about him.
My guess is he'll roll up and offer to help and do anything Hollis wants him to do that will benefit the club. He's a smart old fox and if the objective is to help Lerner get as much of his money back through an eventual sale, I don't think he'll be anything of a problem - quite the opposite in fact. It's Hollis' ball now and I'm sure the General will respect that.
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We're going round and round. Maybe O'Neill will come back too?
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Seems strange that when Hollis gave his media interviews the other day he made no mention of the General joining the board. Admittedly it was recorded the day before the announcement was made but I don't believe for a minute Hollis never knew about it days, if not weeks before. It would have been discussed with Lerner and agreed.
Maybe the General won't take over any specific role other than representing Lerner on the board. In a way it makes sense even if it does interfere with Hollis' direct line to Lerner. I believe the General is far too wise to disrupt things and hopefully he won't feel the need to defend Lerner in the media every time somebody says something uncomplimentary about him.
My guess is he'll roll up and offer to help and do anything Hollis wants him to do that will benefit the club. He's a smart old fox and if the objective is to help Lerner get as much of his money back through an eventual sale, I don't think he'll be anything of a problem - quite the opposite in fact. It's Hollis' ball now and I'm sure the General will respect that.
You are talking about Krulak, right?
The guy is a lunatic. Fucked off at the first sign of trouble, some General, some Director.
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General footinmouth is as much use as most of the squad. Another deluded fool with no clue about football.
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He's got an idea about running a large organisation on a shoestring budget though, while being given expected to deliver results equivalent to others of 5 to 6 times the budget.
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He's got an idea about running a large organisation on a shoestring budget though, while being given expected to deliver results equivalent to others of 5 to 6 times the budget.
Where was he when we were pissing money all over the shop ? Telling us all they knew what they were doing and hold on to our seats.
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Being a cheerleader and letting Lerner do what O'Neill wanted him too.
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He's got an idea about running a large organisation on a shoestring budget though, while being given expected to deliver results equivalent to others of 5 to 6 times the budget.
Where was he when we were pissing money all over the shop ? Telling us all they knew what they were doing and hold on to our seats.
He was gambling, if we'd made the top 4 in one of the 3 seasons where we came close and we'd have established ourselves in the top 4 then they'd have been seen as having masterminded (or at least bankrolled) us breaking into the 'elite'. The money spent wasn't the problem, it was that they trusted MON for too long and he spent it really badly.
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Which is all well and good and probably right but the question is what's he offering now. Maybe Lerner thinks that by him being there it's treading on toes so Krulack is there.
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O'neill, imagine him coming back anyone?.........runs away quickly.
I know it will never happen but could he get us back up? Not that he will come or be considered, just wondered what people's thoughts are.
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Seems strange that when Hollis gave his media interviews the other day he made no mention of the General joining the board. Admittedly it was recorded the day before the announcement was made but I don't believe for a minute Hollis never knew about it days, if not weeks before. It would have been discussed with Lerner and agreed.
Maybe the General won't take over any specific role other than representing Lerner on the board. In a way it makes sense even if it does interfere with Hollis' direct line to Lerner. I believe the General is far too wise to disrupt things and hopefully he won't feel the need to defend Lerner in the media every time somebody says something uncomplimentary about him.
My guess is he'll roll up and offer to help and do anything Hollis wants him to do that will benefit the club. He's a smart old fox and if the objective is to help Lerner get as much of his money back through an eventual sale, I don't think he'll be anything of a problem - quite the opposite in fact. It's Hollis' ball now and I'm sure the General will respect that.
No knowledge of football whatsoever and no track record in business, so whats the point of him. The fact he still calls himself a General is enough to put me off. Bad enough first time, we dont need a repeat
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He's evidently Lerner's grass in the boardroom; and about as much use as installing Doug Ellis in the fecking top brass of the SAS operations.
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I don't welcome his inclusion back on the board at all, but you can't argue with his right to call himself a General. The title stays with them for life, and having heard of his exploits, sounds like he earned it to be honest.
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I have no issues with him on the board. I can only presume but I can't see him playing a major role other than a man close to Randy. It sounds like Randy is trusting Hollis to build a team around him and he wants one of his own men involved in some small way.
As for being called the General, does't the same apply to a Major? I have a customer who was and is still known as 'The Major'.
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O'neill, imagine him coming back anyone?.........runs away quickly.
I know it will never happen but could he get us back up? Not that he will come or be considered, just wondered what people's thoughts are.
Yes he could. No it wont happen. Probably for the best all around that he won't. But I think he would get us promoted.
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Seems strange that when Hollis gave his media interviews the other day he made no mention of the General joining the board. Admittedly it was recorded the day before the announcement was made but I don't believe for a minute Hollis never knew about it days, if not weeks before. It would have been discussed with Lerner and agreed.
Maybe the General won't take over any specific role other than representing Lerner on the board. In a way it makes sense even if it does interfere with Hollis' direct line to Lerner. I believe the General is far too wise to disrupt things and hopefully he won't feel the need to defend Lerner in the media every time somebody says something uncomplimentary about him.
My guess is he'll roll up and offer to help and do anything Hollis wants him to do that will benefit the club. He's a smart old fox and if the objective is to help Lerner get as much of his money back through an eventual sale, I don't think he'll be anything of a problem - quite the opposite in fact. It's Hollis' ball now and I'm sure the General will respect that.
You are talking about Krulak, right?
The guy is a lunatic. Fucked off at the first sign of trouble, some General, some Director.
And your military career was?
When he was here first time round we also had people like Bob Kain and the other one I can't remember the name of on the board with Randy a permanent fixture at Villa Park so there wasn't really much of a role for him, hence the cheerleading as a way of finding something to do. It's possible that now, with a proper board each having clearly-defined roles, he can act as Randy's representative on earth and otherwise stay out of the way.
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The note taker at any meeting?
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Seems strange that when Hollis gave his media interviews the other day he made no mention of the General joining the board. Admittedly it was recorded the day before the announcement was made but I don't believe for a minute Hollis never knew about it days, if not weeks before. It would have been discussed with Lerner and agreed.
Maybe the General won't take over any specific role other than representing Lerner on the board. In a way it makes sense even if it does interfere with Hollis' direct line to Lerner. I believe the General is far too wise to disrupt things and hopefully he won't feel the need to defend Lerner in the media every time somebody says something uncomplimentary about him.
My guess is he'll roll up and offer to help and do anything Hollis wants him to do that will benefit the club. He's a smart old fox and if the objective is to help Lerner get as much of his money back through an eventual sale, I don't think he'll be anything of a problem - quite the opposite in fact. It's Hollis' ball now and I'm sure the General will respect that.
No knowledge of football whatsoever and no track record in business, so whats the point of him. The fact he still calls himself a General is enough to put me off. Bad enough first time, we dont need a repeat
But he is a General. Why shouldn't he refer to himself as one. If you were a doctor would you not always be one? And it's not like he hasn't earned it.
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Seems strange that when Hollis gave his media interviews the other day he made no mention of the General joining the board. Admittedly it was recorded the day before the announcement was made but I don't believe for a minute Hollis never knew about it days, if not weeks before. It would have been discussed with Lerner and agreed.
Maybe the General won't take over any specific role other than representing Lerner on the board. In a way it makes sense even if it does interfere with Hollis' direct line to Lerner. I believe the General is far too wise to disrupt things and hopefully he won't feel the need to defend Lerner in the media every time somebody says something uncomplimentary about him.
My guess is he'll roll up and offer to help and do anything Hollis wants him to do that will benefit the club. He's a smart old fox and if the objective is to help Lerner get as much of his money back through an eventual sale, I don't think he'll be anything of a problem - quite the opposite in fact. It's Hollis' ball now and I'm sure the General will respect that.
You are talking about Krulak, right?
The guy is a lunatic. Fucked off at the first sign of trouble, some General, some Director.
And your military career was?
When he was here first time round we also had people like Bob Kain and the other one I can't remember the name of on the board with Randy a permanent fixture at Villa Park so there wasn't really much of a role for him, hence the cheerleading as a way of finding something to do. It's possible that now, with a proper board each having clearly-defined roles, he can act as Randy's representative on earth and otherwise stay out of the way.
I honestly think the 'cheerleading' was a very good idea for about 2 seasons but it should've been noted when it switched from 'improving the matchday experience and the club's online presence' to 'why are we spending £xxm on yyy zzz?' and then finished with a polite 'thanks for everything but this has run its course' message before stepping back from the forums. By the end he clearly had a target on him and was just a way for fans to 'sound off' to the club which did no one any favours.
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Not interested in what he calls himself. I just hope this time around he is a force for only good, whatever his role may be.
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I honestly think the 'cheerleading' was a very good idea for about 2 seasons but it should've been noted when it switched from 'improving the matchday experience and the club's online presence' to 'why are we spending £xxm on yyy zzz?' and then finished with a polite 'thanks for everything but this has run its course' message before stepping back from the forums. By the end he clearly had a target on him and was just a way for fans to 'sound off' to the club which did no one any favours.
I totally agree. The good he did had long gone but nobody knew how to end it.
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Ian J if Lerner totally trusted Hollis there would be no need to bring the General back and as stated somewhere else on here, health issues were a problem for him as well, so Lerner has sent over a maybe not fit 100% been here, mucked up and got out quick one of his own, sorry that does not give the impression of trusting what he has asked to be put in place and the people he has tasked to do exactly that.
Also I should imagine that the reshuffle or placing a structure in place, has been on the cards for some time, maybe we should have seen the return of the prodigal mentor, father figure when he made his stirring (not) statement a while back.
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I would hazard a guess that Krulak is retainer and just goes wherever he is told to go. Didn't like his input first time around even when things were going okay.
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Bet he would get on well with Pearson in a dogs of war type way.
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I do not have a problem with Charles Krulak. A decorated Marine Corps General on the board is very much in tune with the gravitas we are at long last accruing in our boardroom.
The fruit of his loins is a horse of a very different colour. I must have been in a good mood the day he called me an idiot on this forum and my tongue stayed in its holster.
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Ian J if Lerner totally trusted Hollis there would be no need to bring the General back and as stated somewhere else on here, health issues were a problem for him as well, so Lerner has sent over a maybe not fit 100% been here, mucked up and got out quick one of his own, sorry that does not give the impression of trusting what he has asked to be put in place and the people he has tasked to do exactly that.
Also I should imagine that the reshuffle or placing a structure in place, has been on the cards for some time, maybe we should have seen the return of the prodigal mentor, father figure when he made his stirring (not) statement a while back.
I guess as in any line of work/relationship you need to earn that trust. I see it if Hollis is doing a good job the General will only be reporting good news to our elusive owner. Even so is still do not believe the General will be here that much anyway.
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Seems strange that when Hollis gave his media interviews the other day he made no mention of the General joining the board. Admittedly it was recorded the day before the announcement was made but I don't believe for a minute Hollis never knew about it days, if not weeks before. It would have been discussed with Lerner and agreed.
This is what I've been thinking, too. The appointments of King, Bernstein and Little all merited mention on the official website, with Hollis talking about them all in glowing terms. Krulak's return has been met with silence, and, as far as I can see, nothing official has been announced. I don't want to read too much into it, but it does make you wonder.
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Seems strange that when Hollis gave his media interviews the other day he made no mention of the General joining the board. Admittedly it was recorded the day before the announcement was made but I don't believe for a minute Hollis never knew about it days, if not weeks before. It would have been discussed with Lerner and agreed.
This is what I've been thinking, too. The appointments of King, Bernstein and Little all merited mention on the official website, with Hollis talking about them all in glowing terms. Krulak's return has been met with silence, and, as far as I can see, nothing official has been announced. I don't want to read too much into it, but it does make you wonder.
I somehow missed this part of the interview with Hollis as it wasn't on the OS but in the Meaning Evil:
General Krulak was over recently, is he part of your investigation?
Any board in any organisation has to serve all its stakeholders, we have a huge responsibility to the supporters.
The General is a trusted advisor to Randy Lerner. You will see on the board there is now five of us. We have Randy, the General, myself, David and Mervyn. Bringing back the General was Randy's idea to piss off Saunders_ Heroes after the years of abuse he's aimed at him.
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Seems strange that when Hollis gave his media interviews the other day he made no mention of the General joining the board. Admittedly it was recorded the day before the announcement was made but I don't believe for a minute Hollis never knew about it days, if not weeks before. It would have been discussed with Lerner and agreed.
This is what I've been thinking, too. The appointments of King, Bernstein and Little all merited mention on the official website, with Hollis talking about them all in glowing terms. Krulak's return has been met with silence, and, as far as I can see, nothing official has been announced. I don't want to read too much into it, but it does make you wonder.
I somehow missed this part of the interview with Hollis as it wasn't on the OS but in the Meaning Evil:
General Krulak was over recently, is he part of your investigation?
Any board in any organisation has to serve all its stakeholders, we have a huge responsibility to the supporters.
The General is a trusted advisor to Randy Lerner. You will see on the board there is now five of us. We have Randy, the General, myself, David and Mervyn. Bringing back the General was Randy's idea to piss off Saunders_ Heroes after the years of abuse he's aimed at him.
You're a bad man.
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Ian J if Lerner totally trusted Hollis there would be no need to bring the General back and as stated somewhere else on here, health issues were a problem for him as well, so Lerner has sent over a maybe not fit 100% been here, mucked up and got out quick one of his own, sorry that does not give the impression of trusting what he has asked to be put in place and the people he has tasked to do exactly that.
Also I should imagine that the reshuffle or placing a structure in place, has been on the cards for some time, maybe we should have seen the return of the prodigal mentor, father figure when he made his stirring (not) statement a while back.
But it may not be a lack of trust on Lerner's part.
Maybe the family trust is insisting on some "valued retainer" involvement in order for them to feel that their investment may get at least something back.
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Seems strange that when Hollis gave his media interviews the other day he made no mention of the General joining the board. Admittedly it was recorded the day before the announcement was made but I don't believe for a minute Hollis never knew about it days, if not weeks before. It would have been discussed with Lerner and agreed.
This is what I've been thinking, too. The appointments of King, Bernstein and Little all merited mention on the official website, with Hollis talking about them all in glowing terms. Krulak's return has been met with silence, and, as far as I can see, nothing official has been announced. I don't want to read too much into it, but it does make you wonder.
I somehow missed this part of the interview with Hollis as it wasn't on the OS but in the Meaning Evil:
General Krulak was over recently, is he part of your investigation?
Any board in any organisation has to serve all its stakeholders, we have a huge responsibility to the supporters.
The General is a trusted advisor to Randy Lerner. You will see on the board there is now five of us. We have Randy, the General, myself, David and Mervyn. Bringing back the General was Randy's idea to piss off Saunders_ Heroes after the years of abuse he's aimed at him.
You're a bad man.
Oh yeah! Wait until people realise Randy Lerner is now a director too.
Funny how the OS failed to mention it (again).
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Lerner's always been a director.
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Lerner's always been a director.
He's always been the Chairman. Like you, I thought he'd stepped aside and was relying on the General to keep him informed.
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Lerner's always been a director.
He's always been the Chairman. Like you, I thought he'd stepped aside and was relying on the General to keep him informed.
I never said he wasn't on the board.
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Lerner's always been a director.
He's always been the Chairman. Like you, I thought he'd stepped aside and was relying on the General to keep him informed.
I never said he wasn't on the board.
You, like me and others assumed he wasn't going to be, Dave. Page 9.
For what it's worth, I think it will be a valuable lesson for Lerner working under Hollis and far better having him in the boardroom than relying on the General to report back to him. Obviously there will be some that disagree because he's Lerner but an united board including the owner can only be a positive thing.
Are we looking to replace Russell? If so, I assume that would add another director to the board.
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Shame the turnover of personnel at boardroom level wasn't matched on the pitch in and since January!!!!!!
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Lerner's always been a director.
He's always been the Chairman. Like you, I thought he'd stepped aside and was relying on the General to keep him informed.
I never said he wasn't on the board.
You, like me and others assumed he wasn't going to be, Dave. Page 9.
For what it's worth, I think it will be a valuable lesson for Lerner working under Hollis and far better having him in the boardroom than relying on the General to report back to him. Obviously there will be some that disagree because he's Lerner but an united board including the owner can only be a positive thing.
Are we looking to replace Russell? If so, I assume that would add another director to the board.
I think you're getting a bit confused. As Dave says, Lerner is, and always has been a director. It's a legal title that remains until formally resigned. He can still legally be a director and not have anything to do with the day to day running of the place though. I imagine the "handing over power" to Hollis means letting him run the place as he sees fit subject to the financial constraints.
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Lerner's always been a director.
He's always been the Chairman. Like you, I thought he'd stepped aside and was relying on the General to keep him informed.
I never said he wasn't on the board.
You, like me and others assumed he wasn't going to be, Dave. Page 9.
For what it's worth, I think it will be a valuable lesson for Lerner working under Hollis and far better having him in the boardroom than relying on the General to report back to him. Obviously there will be some that disagree because he's Lerner but an united board including the owner can only be a positive thing.
Are we looking to replace Russell? If so, I assume that would add another director to the board.
I agree that the new set-up is as good as we'll get at the moment but at no point have I ever said, thought or assumed Lerner isn't a director.
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Lerner's always been a director.
He's always been the Chairman. Like you, I thought he'd stepped aside and was relying on the General to keep him informed.
I never said he wasn't on the board.
You, like me and others assumed he wasn't going to be, Dave. Page 9.
For what it's worth, I think it will be a valuable lesson for Lerner working under Hollis and far better having him in the boardroom than relying on the General to report back to him. Obviously there will be some that disagree because he's Lerner but an united board including the owner can only be a positive thing.
Are we looking to replace Russell? If so, I assume that would add another director to the board.
I agree that the new set-up is as good as we'll get at the moment but at no point have I ever said, thought or assumed Lerner isn't a director.
Maybe I misunderstood this:
Krulak's return just demonstrates that despite all of recent board changes,Lerner still hasn't got a scooby. It would be laughable if it wasn't so painful.
If anything, it says Lerner is happy to hand over almost all control to Hollis and just wants someone to keep an occasional eye open for him. I can't see how that's anything but good news.
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Yes, you did. He can be hands off and still on the board.
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Sometimes it is an Administrative or procedural thing that is dictated by the way the company is constituted. For example, I think I saw earlier that Lerner had become a Director of Aston Villa Ltd and replaced Robin Russell. It may be that Aston Villa Ltd's constitution dictates a minimum number of Directors'. It is no indication of their day to day involvement in club affairs, save for still being the major shareholder and therefore ultimately sanctioning the funding for the club.
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That makes sense, Kippax. I'm just surprised Dave thinks Lerner needs the General to hold his hand.
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That makes sense, Kippax. I'm just surprised Dave thinks Lerner needs the General to hold his hand.
Do us both a favour and only comment on what I say rather than some strange interpretation.
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Okay, Dave. I'll accept you knew all along.
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I wonder if it is in his remit to post on here again?
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so is there 5 on the board, with lerner being 1/5 of that number, perhaps krulak has been appointed by lerner, so as if theres anything to be voted on then lerner has at least 2/5 of the votes and then only needs to manipulate another 1/5 to swing the majority, you see I think lerner is a complete cock and its still his ball, and when he don't want to play he can take his ball home with him, whilst his got anything to do with AVFC we are only going in one direction.
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so is there 5 on the board, with lerner being 1/5 of that number, perhaps krulak has been appointed by lerner, so as if theres anything to be voted on then lerner has at least 2/5 of the votes and then only needs to manipulate another 1/5 to swing the majority, you see I think lerner is a complete cock and its still his ball, and when he don't want to play he can take his ball home with him, whilst his got anything to do with AVFC we are only going in one direction.
Or you could just wait and see? The last meaningful thing we heard from him was that if we weren't sold he'd appoint a chairman to run things properly in his place, and he did it, so why would he then go out of his way to fuck it up by undermining said chairman? On top ofthat, I'd say it's a fairly safe guess that we'll be recruiting a CFO at some point (and I reckon we've got a couple of decent contacts to find us one in Hollis and King) which would take the board up to 6 which ruins your theory and if anything suggests that Lerners 'vote' will always be uncast.
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so is there 5 on the board, with lerner being 1/5 of that number, perhaps krulak has been appointed by lerner, so as if theres anything to be voted on then lerner has at least 2/5 of the votes and then only needs to manipulate another 1/5 to swing the majority, you see I think lerner is a complete cock and its still his ball, and when he don't want to play he can take his ball home with him, whilst his got anything to do with AVFC we are only going in one direction.
Or you could just wait and see? The last meaningful thing we heard from him was that if we weren't sold he'd appoint a chairman to run things properly in his place, and he did it, so why would he then go out of his way to fuck it up by undermining said chairman? On top ofthat, I'd say it's a fairly safe guess that we'll be recruiting a CFO at some point (and I reckon we've got a couple of decent contacts to find us one in Hollis and King) which would take the board up to 6 which ruins your theory and if anything suggests that Lerners 'vote' will always be uncast.
Damn damn damn, my theory is ruined, what am I going to do lol, so then it will be 1/6 so on so forth, its always nice to have someone in your corner when discussions are going on and admittedly, I believe there are strong characters on that board but Krulak has proved before intelligence comes second to decibels and maybe this is lerners master plan, confuse, out talk, hold the reigns
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Why would he bring in all these new people if he wanted to out-manouevre them on key issues?
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Why would he bring in all these new people if he wanted to out-manouevre them on key issues?
because he's an evil mnastermind intent on destroying the club and losing a fortune in the process?
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Why would he bring in all these new people if he wanted to out-manouevre them on key issues?
because he's an evil mnastermind intent on destroying the club and losing a fortune in the process?
because its his ball Dave, and you know as well as lerner, He knows Best.
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Why would he bring in all these new people if he wanted to out-manouevre them on key issues?
because he's an evil mnastermind intent on destroying the club and losing a fortune in the process?
because its his ball Dave, and you know as well as lerner, He knows Best.
Then why bring in Hollis, what purpose does that serve if he has no intention of letting him do his job? Before you mention anything about any other director remember that he specifically said the idea behind bringing a chairman in was so he could step back so it doesn't apply to anyone else, he was the chairman until Hollis arrived to replace him. Why replace yourself and then 'load' the board so you can over rule your replacement whenever you like and probably cause him and most of his newly assembled board to walk away? I get you don't like or trust Randy but just think about what you're saying and it quickly unravels, no one benefits from him doing it.
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He owns the club. He can do whatever he wants. Simple as.
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Am I missing something? Is the owner of a business not allowed to appoint Directors who he thinks will act in his best interests? What majority shareholder would not do that?
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Why would he bring in all these new people if he wanted to out-manouevre them on key issues?
You have to admit he has pretty good form for doing the wrong thing.
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Why would he bring in all these new people if he wanted to out-manouevre them on key issues?
You have to admit he has pretty good form for doing the wrong thing.
even though I think he is a complete cluts , I also think he realised there was the beginning of a ground swell against him, so to appease the masses, before they became revolting, he thought like Charles the first he would employ a parliament and still run the thing,
I don't know, but as Chicago above is saying, has he got anything right since his been here, I hope Paul e that your argument is right, but the boy has got form for doi8ng the wrong thing.
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Why would he bring in all these new people if he wanted to out-manouevre them on key issues?
You have to admit he has pretty good form for doing the wrong thing.
even though I think he is a complete cluts , I also think he realised there was the beginning of a ground swell against him, so to appease the masses, before they became revolting, he thought like Charles the first he would employ a parliament and still run the thing,
I don't know, but as Chicago above is saying, has he got anything right since his been here, I hope Paul e that your argument is right, but the boy has got form for doi8ng the wrong thing.
The wrong, daft thing, not the carefully considered, manipulative thing.
So to be clear:
He's a 'complete clutz' but smart enough to put together this plan.
He's disinterested in the club but would take the time to put together a new board only to then outvote them, rather than not having the board and just doing what he wants anyway.
He doesn't care what the fans think but has done all this to stop fan protests.
Right.
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Why would he bring in all these new people if he wanted to out-manouevre them on key issues?
You have to admit he has pretty good form for doing the wrong thing.
even though I think he is a complete cluts , I also think he realised there was the beginning of a ground swell against him, so to appease the masses, before they became revolting, he thought like Charles the first he would employ a parliament and still run the thing,
I don't know, but as Chicago above is saying, has he got anything right since his been here, I hope Paul e that your argument is right, but the boy has got form for doi8ng the wrong thing.
The wrong, daft thing, not the carefully considered, manipulative thing.
So to be clear:
He's a 'complete clutz' but smart enough to put together this plan.
He's disinterested in the club but would take the time to put together a new board only to then outvote them, rather than not having the board and just doing what he wants anyway.
He doesn't care what the fans think but has done all this to stop fan protests.
Right.
It also manages to forget all the things they did get right. Off the pitch they listened and acted. On it, Lerner put his money where his mouth is except our manager decided he didn't want to play by the rules of every single other manager probably in the world, knowing he'd made a pig's arse of it. Admittedly, the managerial appointments that followed didn't work out, some were shocking but rather than Villa being a plaything of Randy Lerner, some thought Villa should be a plaything of his bank account.
Mistakes have been made and it's refreshing to hear both Hollis and Bernstein point this out. I'm sure Lerner wants to sell the club at a price that comes close to what he's put in and I'm sure the General is there encouraging him to fix the mess he's in now for numerous reasons. Lerner may be around for a few more years to come and hopefully will be a reluctant seller as we finally get back on track. There's loads to do and right now, I agree with Bernstein when he says we're very lucky to have Hollis in charge. I'm trusting that Lerner agrees or at least in the very near future, will agree.
Right now it's the only chance we have.