Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: trevor fisher on March 15, 2016, 01:11:02 PM
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I was at a meeting this morning about getting community asset status for the Carnegie Library in Stafford, and happened to mention the Villa Trust want to get community asset status for Villa Park. Getting it allows fans to have a stake in the ground for 6 months if it is to be sold.
My colleagues then started wondering what a football ground could be sold for and we had a surreal conversation. The Carnegie Library by the way was sold to become a restaurant but the owner went bankrupt. Villa Park is a much bigger issue of course.
The consensus was that we could do a Ricoh Stadium and move out as Coventry City did, and lease it for shows. One guy had been to a Take That concert at VP and loved the experience, hotel near and a good night out. THen the talk got really worrying. Why not sell the ground and let it be a full time entertainment venue.... no need to worry about the grass. Its not likely I would hope... but the conversation was enough to support the case for community asset status
Trevor Fisher
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Times might be bad for us but surely talk of us selling/renting Villa Park is over reacting in the extreme?
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if something as nightmarish as this ever happens I would never step foot inside VP again and will will cut off my feet and eat them to ensure I don't. Utter balderdash.
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if something as nightmarish as this ever happens I would never step foot inside VP again and will will cut off my feet and eat them to ensure I don't. Utter balderdash.
You wouldn't have to, if I understand correctly.
no need to worry about the grass
Sounds like it.
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Villa Park, a full-time entertainment venue? It'll never catch on.
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Villa Park is a privately owned building. Total value of buildings and land in the accounts is £90m, so if at a guess Bodymoor is worth £10m, then Villa Park is worth £80m. In terms of selling the club, it's about the only thing of real tangible value that isn't going to be devalued by getting relegated, so how this ties in to what you're suggesting, goodness only knows.
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Trevor what on Earth are you on about?
Firstly, is there any suggestion whatsoever that Villa Park is going to be sold as anything other than the football ground that Aston Villa play in? If not then why would you think of buying it as a community asset and then holding the odd concert in it? Surely that is the equivalent of a valued community pub being bought and turned into a branch of Costcutters, exactly the type of thing that Community Asset orders are designed to prevent.
Dave Cooper
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As a matter of interest could Mr Lerner sell the ground for a purpose that does not include football. Is this possible?.
Ronald A Manager
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As a matter of interest could Mr Lerner sell the ground for a purpose that does not include football. Is this possible?.
Ronald A Manager
He could turn it into agricultural land, make hay while the sun shines.
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Turn it into allotments then we could have some decent vegetables to replace the present ones.
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I suppose he could turn it into a boating pool and......no hang on that's already been done!
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I suppose he could turn it into a boating pool and......no hang on that's already been done!
I'd go, I love a nice rowing boat
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As a matter of interest could Mr Lerner sell the ground for a purpose that does not include football. Is this possible?.
Ronald A Manager
Subject to planning permission he could turn it into whatever he wanted.
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As a matter of interest could Mr Lerner sell the ground for a purpose that does not include football. Is this possible?.
Ronald A Manager
Subject to planning permission he could turn it into whatever he wanted.
I wish he would turn it back into the home of a football team that wins the odd game.
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The purchase of the Lower Grounds was a slap in the face for our traditional fanbase.
We should never have left Wellington Road.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington_Road_(Perry_Barr)
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The purchase of the Lower Grounds was a slap in the face for our traditional fanbase.
We should never have left Wellington Road.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington_Road_(Perry_Barr)
You would have liked Joe Dunkley.He didn't want to move either
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Based on the reporting of the recent purchase of a minority stake in Everton, where the possibility of them leaving Goodison was raised again, about £5-8M if you could get planning permission to turn into housing if you accept that the relative value of the land, based on it's location and surroundings is somewhat similar.
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The Trust are already on it, Trevor.
Stuart Griffin
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Yes Stuart is right - the Trust are pursuing this, and it is an option already pursued by fans who don't trust the people who run their clubs, notably man U whose fans succeeded in their bid.
The comments that this is a nightmare scenario which can't happen should be seen in this light. There is no club that has downsized from a stadium it has owned up to now - Middlesborough, Derby and so on built new modern grounds that were more or less the same size.
But it could happen if Lerner pulls the plug on a failed promotion bid in the years to come, so the trust is right to pursue the option
Trevor FIsher.
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My opinion of Lerner is about as low as they come, but really, isn't this somewhat in the realms of fantasy?
Sandi Toksvig
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I licked Villa Park so by law, it's mine.
Pol Pot.
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Yes Stuart is right - the Trust are pursuing this, and it is an option already pursued by fans who don't trust the people who run their clubs, notably man U whose fans succeeded in their bid.
The comments that this is a nightmare scenario which can't happen should be seen in this light. There is no club that has downsized from a stadium it has owned up to now - Middlesborough, Derby and so on built new modern grounds that were more or less the same size.
But it could happen if Lerner pulls the plug on a failed promotion bid in the years to come, so the trust is right to pursue the option
Trevor FIsher.
If I understand the legislation correctly, it's there to protect local assets from property developers who want to buy an asset and turn it into something else, eg your local village green and turn it into a block of flats. It gives local community groups the right to bid for something at open market value. However, there's an exemption from the property owner having to comply if he's selling the asset as part of an overall business to somebody who's going to carry on with the current use. I'm struggling to see how this is relevant then really, as surely anybody is going to want to buy the entire club and not just the land. Even if Lerner were to want to sell the land to a property developer, how would a community group come up with the funds?
Amadeus, Amadeus
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He could turn it into a Baseball stadium.
If he builds it, they will come.
Ray Kinsella
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I suppose he could turn it into a boating pool and......no hang on that's already been done!
I'd go, I love a nice rowing boat
I agree.
Robert Maxwell.
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He could turn it into a Baseball stadium.
If he builds it, they will come.
Ray Kinsella
and rename it The John Devey Stadium of Excellence
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Nuneaton Town supporters Trust succeeded in getting their ground at Liberty Way registered as a community asset but it proved worthless.
The ground owner went into liquidation and the ground was sold by the liquidator. The supporters trust thought they would be given first refusal on buying the ground but they weren't even consulted.
This has been a fashionable cause for trusts to pursue in recent years but legally it all needs testing.
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Nuneaton Town supporters Trust succeeded in getting their ground at Liberty Way registered as a community asset but it proved worthless.
The ground owner went into liquidation and the ground was sold by the liquidator. The supporters trust thought they would be given first refusal on buying the ground but they weren't even consulted.
This has been a fashionable cause for trusts to pursue in recent years but legally it all needs testing.
SHA fans have also done the same with their shed down the road.
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I suppose he could turn it into a boating pool and......no hang on that's already been done!
I'd go, I love a nice rowing boat
I agree.
Robert Maxwell.
We should have a referendum and vote on it.
Tarquin Fin Tim Lin Bin Whin Bim Lim Bus Stop F'tang F'tang Olé Biscuit barrel.
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Whats going on in this thread? I need to lay off the spirits.
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