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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: eddiemunster on February 27, 2016, 10:19:56 AM
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Will Hollis remove the deadwood from the top down, on the non playing side?
Will the board help the manager to get rid of the deadwood from the top down on the playing side, regardless of relegation clauses?
According to a poll in the mail, the following players would be kept, and our team for our first game next season would be as follows;
Bunn
Richards Clark Okore Amavi
Traore Gana Vertout Gil
Ayew Grealish
Subs; Gestede, Westwood, Steer.
If we could shed the 11 players not mentioned, we might make a fist of fighting back at the first attempt.
If as Garde intimates, our reserve and youth teams aren't good enough to break into our current dross, then the cull will have to be in biblical proportions.
How we need someone like Vic Crowe now.IMO.
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Can't see Richards still here or traore or Gil or ayew. Don't think that side would cut it either. We're desperate for more aggressive and hard working midfielders
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To me thats more of a XI who probably won't be there. richards/ayew/vertout/gil/traore could all attract bids. I'd be reasonably happy with bunn/clarke/baker/westwood/hutton/grealish/lescott/gestade as the basis of a squad - could all hack the championship i believe. If the above 5 were sold and we got rid of a few more you don't mention then a couple of midfielders and a striker could be added that wouldn't break the bank. Those that can't be sold we keep as reserves and use the youth team for the rest
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Why would we want to keep Grealish? He's done the square root of fuck all this season.
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He's a kid with a lot of potential. The 2nd division would be a good proving ground for him.
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Why would we want to keep Grealish? He's done the square root of fuck all this season.
perhaps but he's not the only one on that list who's been rotten. i think he'd find his feet in the championship and at least contribute. He's young and he's in the last chance saloon. Worth a try.
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He's just turned 20, started about a dozen league games, and some folks want rid or think he's in the last chance saloon?
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If the agents of the players are remotely competent they will advise their clients that they can get better deals for them playing well in the Championship than in the limbo of having just been relegated. Jordan Ayew could get a move to a bottom half of the Premiership club when we go down. He could walk into a top half club with the 20 Championship goals he is perfectly capable of scoring with us next season.
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He's just turned 20, started about a dozen league games, and some folks want rid or think he's in the last chance saloon?
Rightly or wrongly he doesn't give the impression of a dedicated young player. In our current mess, the last thing we need is a kid who thinks he's made it already
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Richards? Fuck me, he'd be the first out the door.
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He's a kid with a lot of potential. The 2nd division would be a good proving ground for him.
They'll kick the crap out the poor lad.
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Richards? Fuck me, he'd be the first out the door.
Captain Marvel, the figurehead of the team. Why?
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Then he needs to get smart and develop a Barry/Petrov arse and win us tonnes of free kicks.
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He's a kid with a lot of potential. The 2nd division would be a good proving ground for him.
They'll kick the crap out the poor lad.
He seemed to cope at an even lower level with Notts County okay.
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Grealish was far and away the best player on the pitch v SHA.
Kid has well and truly messed up this season but if he can start acting professional shining at a lower level will be a good grounding for him. All about attitude though and having Gabby as a mentor dosen't bode well.
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This is the problem with our attacking play. It's pointless having somebody as cultured as Grealish if the players in front of them are as immobile and lacking in intelligence as Gabby and Gestede.
Everybody knows we need a new centre forward, perhaps two. Somebody capable of either making runs to get on the end of the through balls or making space for strike partners/midfield runners. Those two are never going to do that, so we probe and the temp drains as the opposition get into shape and compress the space between midfield and defence.
Without Amavi's pace and quality of delivery, we'really essentially down to Ayew doing some magic or waiting on the opposition to make a mistake. We're the equivalent of seam bowling on a flat, lifeless pitch in blazing hot sun.
We need the forward(s) to bag 20 a season and also a winger who has the quality of delivery from set pieces as well to add additional chances into the mix. That's going to benefit Gestede next year too on the occasions when he plays.
We're so limp and predictable at the moment. But two players could make a huge difference. With Ayew having 4 years left, there's a reasonable chance he may stay. Traore hasn't had the opportunity yet, but I'm hopeful of keeping him and Amavi, with Grealish working things at a less punishing level, then there should be enough fire power to get us promoted?
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Interesting to look at our players out on loan....Gardner is getting a lot of praise as a DM for Forest, their fans are falling over themselves on their message board to say how great he is so personally I'd get shot of Westwood and give him a go as DM for us next season as he's clearly comfortable at that level.
Baker has got good reviews at Bristol City. Can't say I want him starting every week for us but I'd ditch Clark and have him as back up.
Robinson has 2 in 2 for PNE so again try to ditch Gabby for good and let him take over in the squad....
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We need strengthening in front of the defence and behind it. I'm not sure if the ncreased frenetic pace would suit Sanchez and Westwood is an abomination, so I'd be willing to give Gardner a shot there. A new keeper is a must.
Four or five players in key potions would make a huge difference. As would have one or two in January mind...
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I have had the son of French friends staying for 2 months and he reckons Amavi will be off at the end of the season. His take is that he won't want to play in the 2nd division. Hope he is wrong on this one.
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I have had the son of French friends staying for 2 months and he reckons Amavi will be off at the end of the season. His take is that he won't want to play in the 2nd division. Hope he is wrong on this one.
Can't see many clubs bidding decent money for someone who's been off for 8 months, they'll want to see him play games again so reckon he'll stay until January.
The four I want out of the club are Guzan, Gabby, Westwood and Clark. Those four to me as our longest serving players sum up the losing culture of the club'3
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Garde, followed by any of our players out the door wouldn't make my pulse alter one jot.
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He's a kid with a lot of potential. The 2nd division would be a good proving ground for him.
They'll kick the crap out the poor lad.
Unless we are being relegated to the ISIS Conference where he'll have to run for his life whenever we gets the ball then he'll be fine. The Championship being this place where cloggers rule is such a myth. There are plenty of skill players down there making a living.
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There's an argument for keeping the likes of Gabby and Westwood for the step down, on the basis that players with their level of top flight experience should be too much for that league.
But a clean break is probably best. For them and us.
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He's a kid with a lot of potential. The 2nd division would be a good proving ground for him.
They'll kick the crap out the poor lad.
He seemed to cope at an even lower level with Notts County okay.
Do you not think we are probably on a level with Notts County
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He's just turned 20, started about a dozen league games, and some folks want rid or think he's in the last chance saloon?
Rightly or wrongly he doesn't give the impression of a dedicated young player. In our current mess, the last thing we need is a kid who thinks he's made it already
Are you insane. At times he's looked the only one that actually understands the object of the game. He's 20.. 20. Glides past defenders, is through and through, and can actually kick a football.
He did well with Notts County and I think he will thrive in the championship. Unfortunately, all the England squad nonsense tired me out, but I still see him becoming a better player.
Our squad is a joke, flat out. However, we've got to give him at least as much time as we gave the last crop of youngsters ie. marc, andi, baker, bannan..
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Will Hollis remove the deadwood from the top down, on the non playing side?
Will the board help the manager to get rid of the deadwood from the top down on the playing side, regardless of relegation clauses?
If he starts with himself then hopefully. Hollis so far has not put a foot right. His, Lerner & Fox's scandalous decision in January to refuse the manager funds for transfers is unforgivable.
As for the rest, Garde will be gone and obviously any quality we have in the squad will already have put in the transfer request leaving the overpaid wasters who are going nowhere.
I cannot think of a single positive thing to look forward to over the summer, unless it is the gallows humour of seeing who this failed owner and board appoint next as manager, they may simply give up there as well and wheel out Kmac as the cheapest option.
The only good thing about Aston Villa right now is the fans and I genuinely have no idea how the club is going to turn around its fortunes.
I dont enjoy being down on the club I love but they are giving me zero reasons to be optimistic right now.
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Sinclair, Gestede, Ayew
They'll score when they want in the championship imo.
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The point is who can we move on and who will want to go.
Now,If you are someone like Ayew,Gana,Okore etc you will be sat on £25-30,000 a week(poor lambs) but with the impending knowledge that the clause will lower it to circa 16/19k.They'll all have agents active as they know they can comfortably double their income,and the club will either play hardball leading to disinterested players,or we will cash in,effectively cutting the tiny little roots of recovery in place.
The rumoured wage clauses,will not only semi safeguard our ability to manoeuvre with the squad,it will also motivate some of the big and middle earners to go.Take Gabby,big bucks, but he will feel the chill wage wise,especially if it looks as if we might not do a 87.Suddenly that move to Derby/Burnley/Stoke on a effective free looks interesting on 40k.Ditto Sinclair,Lescott,Richards.They won't want to see an income drop of 30/40%,their ego's and agents will hawk them everywhere.
Also,there will be one or two,on lower wages, who will be attractive to the lower half,if they are cheap.I can see us moving on Hutton(12 months left),Clark,Westwood,Kozak(12 months again),Gil for about 8/9 million combined..Can't see Traore or Amavi getting their moves yet,due to their injury woes.
Personally,I would like to see us try and keep the nucleus as we've effectively spent a horrible year giving them English experience.Gana and Okare could handle the championship style,they'd be my lines in the sand.I could handle us cashing in on Ayew,if it gives the manager manoeuvrability.
We desperately require a number 9,with pace and the ability to lead the line on his own.Also,a link forward capable of playing wide if required,or just behind.Gk,and energy(with height) in midfield will mean we be competitive.
I expect us to start slowly,licking our fragile wounds into the Autumn.However,we played football the second half against the dogshite,totally bossed it and they are 7th...and poor.There is ability in the squad,hopefully with a new mindset..Confidence and momentum are everything in the championship.I think the likes of Grealish,Andre Green could be flying with as we head into the Spring.
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I don't think PL clubs will be flocking to buy the likes of Gana and Okore and certainly not paying them £25-30k per week. And do you honestly think a Derby or Burnley would offer Gabby £40k per week? I think that unless they are adamant they want to play in the PL either on similar or lower wages than their restructured after relegation contract with Villa, then there will not be an awful lot of movement of players going out.
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I have had the son of French friends staying for 2 months and he reckons Amavi will be off at the end of the season. His take is that he won't want to play in the 2nd division. Hope he is wrong on this one.
But his unfortunate injury probably means he won't be going anywhere just yet.
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I think the long contracts, the higher wages than Ligue 1 even with the 30% cut, should mean that we keep hold of Amavi, Ayew, Veretout and Gueye. If we are running the show come January too, then the desire to jump ship and pick up the balance of pay on promotion should mean they'd stay.
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Hull and Burnley are the top 2 in the Championship. They looked awful in the Premier League last year and were both low on goals, especially Burnley. By and large they kept the core of the relegated sides together and it's paying off.
QPR, on the other hand, had to pretty much sweep the board and start again because they had a load of overpaid mercenaries on their books. They are languishing in mid table and have been nowhere near promotion all season.
Unfortunately, we look like more of a QPR than a Hull or Burnley at the moment, but we need to try and identify a core of players to keep. 9 new players in the starting 11 sounds tempting, but it could do more harm than good.
People have said it before but this league really isn't incredible. Barry Bannan, so derided on here, is so popular at Wednesday that they have just had a 'Barry Bannan day' apparently. Gardner does well everytime he goes on loan, Baker is popular at Bristol City. We're going to need a goalscorer, especially if Ayew goes. But a 20 goal a season striker at Championship level is much easier to find than a 20 goal striker for the Premier League.
This is going to be about attitude as much as anything. The team are so used to swimming against the tide and it might do them good to win a few games. We do need to get rid of the bad eggs, but most of them have such a huge ego they won't even be contemplating playing 2nd tier football no matter how culpable they are for taking one of the biggest clubs in the country to that level.
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I don't think we need 9 or 11 new players.
SHQ mentioned Gardner who is doing a good job as the defensive sitter at Forrest how could come in for Westwood, whose mentally gone.
If we'recommend holding on to our better players then adding a winger and a forward to Grealish, Ayew and Traore, with Gestede as an option, should mean we have a lot of firepower at that level.
We need 4 or 5 and we will be fine.
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Is Gardner fit and playing at Forest?
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It's a net 4 or 5 that we need with the poisonous ones moved on in any manner possible. No more bomb squad or N'Zogbia type distractions. Just a squad of players who are focused on getting promoted. All pulling in one direction, critically the same direction as the manager. With the board Aldo pulling in the same direction as the manager.
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It's a net 4 or 5 that we need with the poisonous ones moved on in any manner possible. No more bomb squad or N'Zogbia type distractions. Just a squad of players who are focused on getting promoted. All pulling in one direction, critically the same direction as the manager. With the board Aldo pulling in the same direction as the manager.
John Aldridge is buying us?
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Unfortunately, we look like more of a QPR than a Hull or Burnley at the moment
QPR? More like Leeds or Sheffield Wednesday a decade ago.
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It's a net 4 or 5 that we need with the poisonous ones moved on in any manner possible. No more bomb squad or N'Zogbia type distractions. Just a squad of players who are focused on getting promoted. All pulling in one direction, critically the same direction as the manager. With the board Aldo pulling in the same direction as the manager.
John Aldridge is buying us?
As player, chairman and manager. He'd do better up front than Gabby of that I have no doubt. Despite being in his mid 50's.
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There's an argument for keeping the likes of Gabby and Westwood for the step down, on the basis that players with their level of top flight experience should be too much for that league.
But a clean break is probably best. For them and us.
Not for me. Those two along with Clark and Guzan as long serves are part of our losing mentality so get rid.
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Is Gardner fit and playing at Forest?
Getting rave reviews there from their fans and local press, he is clearly a good player at that level.
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I'd like to see Gardner get a chance next season too. One thing I will say is we need to inject some pace in to the team as It's already very slow, add in Gardner and there's another one paced player. With Amavi back it will help a bit but then i'd like to see another couple of players brought in with genuine pace.
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Agreed. Pace and a willingness to move off the ball; more regular starts for Traore, another winger and a quick forward to supplement Ayew's guile and Grealish intelligence, with the aforementioned Amavi and you have decent options, with the lamppost on the bench if needs be.
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The suffering will be over...
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Brilliant - genuine LOL in these depressing days. Scare the children by threatening ‘Brush your teeth or we’ll buy you an Aston Villa season ticket.'
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Does anyone think we'll get to 20 points?
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Does anyone think we'll get to 20 points?
I wouldn't bet anything of value on it. At the moment its hard to see where the next point is coming from let along three or four.
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It's hard to comprehend that we're probably as bad as those derby and sunderland teams. Quite a feat by Randolph after challenging for the champions league 5/6 years ago
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Unfortunately, we look like more of a QPR than a Hull or Burnley at the moment
QPR? More like Leeds or Sheffield Wednesday a decade ago.
Can't agree with the Leeds comparison, they had mortgaged against 10 years of season tickets sales (not sure on the exact number of years but a lot) whereas we've got our wage/turnover ratio back to something like normal.
Wednesday is a better comparison but even then I'd guess that they were relegated before the financial void formed between the championship and the PL. We will have the financial doping of the parachute payments for a couple of years compared to their predicament.
Not saying everything is rosy by any stretch but I don't think we will be handicapped like they were.
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They were talking about Andy King scoring for Leicester tonight, and noted this time seven years ago, he was scoring in League One against the likes of Stockport.
Now, last Sunday it was also noted it was six years since Phil Dowd didn't send Vidic off. To me that seems like yesterday, but I bet even if Villa are in Leicester's position in seven years, it will feel like every day of those seven years.
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Does anyone think we'll get to 20 points?
I wouldn't bet anything of value on it. At the moment its hard to see where the next point is coming from let along three or four.
Rather optimistically, I have us getting another four points!! We only score another four goals too.