I don't agree that the first team to face Firmino, Sturridge and Coutinho were going to get a hiding at all.Same here, any team that gives them the luxury of posession without any attempt to win the ball and watches a player who had been out injured walk in to the centre of the penalty area unchallenged is on a hiding to nothing.
Forget the comments of so-called expert summarisers: most are inarticulate and inerudite.
However, the article printed in the OP hides some uncomfortable truths: we gave Liverpool too much space, too much possession and insufficient 'heat'. Our players were lethargic and unstructured, with concentration lapses not acceptable at the top level of a professional sport. Too many players were simply 'there', rather than emotionally, cognitively and physically engaged.
And that's why we're probably going down.
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while Henry giggled like a preening schoolkid.
They're midtable and had lost 8 and won 9 before playing us, they shouldn't be stuffing us at all. We should at the very least be making them work. This defeatist talk is bollocks. Now we're not even expecting us to be in a game against midtable teams.
They're midtable and had lost 8 and won 9 before playing us, they shouldn't be stuffing us at all. We should at the very least be making them work. This defeatist talk is bollocks. Now we're not even expecting us to be in a game against midtable teams.
Tell me one player we have who would get in their team, including subs.
In fairness to Derby and Sunderland they were newly promoted clubs who were Ill equipped for the league.
We've been a top flight club for 3 decades. It's inexcusable for us to be as ill prepared as we have become.
I don't agree that the first team to face Firmino, Sturridge and Coutinho were going to get a hiding at all.
I don't agree that the first team to face Firmino, Sturridge and Coutinho were going to get a hiding at all.
and neither do I. In fact that statement is patently ridiculous.
They're midtable and had lost 8 and won 9 before playing us, they shouldn't be stuffing us at all. We should at the very least be making them work. This defeatist talk is bollocks. Now we're not even expecting us to be in a game against midtable teams.
Tell me one player we have who would get in their team, including subs.
Tell me one player who would get in the Liverpool team from Newcastle?
In fairness to Derby and Sunderland they were newly promoted clubs who were Ill equipped for the league.
We've been a top flight club for 3 decades. It's inexcusable for us to be as ill prepared as we have become.
Hear hear. It takes a unique kind of fuckwittery to relegate a club as big as Aston Villa. Our PL infrastructure has been hacked away for 6 seasons now and it's taken that long for it to finally crumble. We've been sabotaged by Randy Lerner.
I don't agree that the first team to face Firmino, Sturridge and Couthino were going to get a hiding at all.But it's a fact that the first team to face that trio was us and we did lose?......By a landslide.
I don't agree that the first team to face Firmino, Sturridge and Couthino were going to get a hiding at all.But it's a fact that the first team to face that trio was us and we did lose?......By a landslide.
probably not. I just think it was the perfect storm and that trio returning on the same day for the first time this season compounded things.I don't agree that the first team to face Firmino, Sturridge and Couthino were going to get a hiding at all.But it's a fact that the first team to face that trio was us and we did lose.......By a landslide.
Well let's see if the next team they play away from home get thrashed and humiliated as well then.
Well put mate. I did hear that Randy Lerner was the world's first surviving brain transplant donor.In fairness to Derby and Sunderland they were newly promoted clubs who were Ill equipped for the league.
We've been a top flight club for 3 decades. It's inexcusable for us to be as ill prepared as we have become.
Hear hear. It takes a unique kind of fuckwittery to relegate a club as big as Aston Villa. Our PL infrastructure has been hacked away for 6 seasons now and it's taken that long for it to finally crumble. We've been sabotaged by Randy Lerner.
The hide and seek grand master with his witless appointments and dereliction of duty has led us to this sorry state of affairs. As wretched as our players are, this whole sorry debacle has to be laid solely at the door of our brain donor owner. A pox on his house, gutless wanker that he is...
From the Geordies team, Krul? wijnaldum? sissoko. They have a few decent players Newcastle but all seem to be attackers, they remind me of the old Newcastle back in the mid nineties but without the same amount of quality (Shearer/Ferdinand/Ginola)They've thrown the towel in, but the owner did six years ago, the tone is set from the very top.
Sunderland have a lot of experienced players who are well past it,O'Shea/Brown and also players who have come from big clubs but haven't fulfilled there potential Johnson/Rodwell.
I couldn't give a toss about the other teams who are near us though and what the various reasons for them being shit are, I would just like to see some commitment to the cause from whoever pulls on the claret and blue on a Saturday afternoon and not a single player showed that against Liverpool.
I genuinely think some of our lot are "on the beach" already and are just waiting for the season to end so they can find another club to move to or in Lescotts case retire to.
Another place you can find stupid, grossly uninformed comments from people who have no ******g idea about our season is the BBC live coverage page on match day. Full of cretins who just want top appear witty - and morons who only read the tabloids.
Derby in 08 were a genuinely poor side, hideously out of their depth. They tried hard but did not have any sort of quality to compete in this league.
Garde was pretty vocal about the poor performance against Norwich. Did that rattle cages?more like they spat out their diamonte dummies out.
Derby in 08 were a genuinely poor side, hideously out of their depth. They tried hard but did not have any sort of quality to compete in this league.
Funny you should mention them, as Sunday was very reminiscent of this:
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I've heard the players were sulking Sunday because an overseas trip to the sun was cancelled., cost cutting.If it was cancelled for cost reasons, then the club are totally barmy (Sunderland, I note, have gone off to the sun; interesting to see how their form goes in two week' time). And, it does not augur well for the future if the club are cutting costs in this way.
I've heard the players were sulking Sunday because an overseas trip to the sun was cancelled., cost cutting.If it was cancelled for cost reasons, then the club are totally barmy (Sunderland, I note, have gone off to the sun; interesting to see how their form goes in two week' time). And, it does not augur well for the future if the club are cutting costs in this way.
Equally, the players are completely smallminded if that leads them to effectively withdraw their labour for an important game.
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I have no inside info on this but find it completely plausible. Our team is in at a freezing cold Bodymoor heath while others are training in the sunshine on a break /team bonding exercise. I heard that Leicester are in Vegas? Look what team spirit has achieved for them this season. God knows we need that spirit more than anyone right now. So yet more dimwit money saving decisions by the clowns running our once mighty football club.I've heard the players were sulking Sunday because an overseas trip to the sun was cancelled., cost cutting.If it was cancelled for cost reasons, then the club are totally barmy (Sunderland, I note, have gone off to the sun; interesting to see how their form goes in two week' time). And, it does not augur well for the future if the club are cutting costs in this way.
Equally, the players are completely smallminded if that leads them to effectively withdraw their labour for an important game.
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I've heard the players were sulking Sunday because an overseas trip to the sun was cancelled., cost cutting.
I have no inside info on this but find it completely plausible. Our team is in at a freezing cold Bodymoor heath while others are training in the sunshine on a break /team bonding exercise. I heard that Leicester are in Vegas? Look what team spirit has achieved for them this season. God knows we need that spirit more than anyone right now. So yet more dimwit money saving decisions by the clowns running our once mighty football club.I've heard the players were sulking Sunday because an overseas trip to the sun was cancelled., cost cutting.If it was cancelled for cost reasons, then the club are totally barmy (Sunderland, I note, have gone off to the sun; interesting to see how their form goes in two week' time). And, it does not augur well for the future if the club are cutting costs in this way.
Equally, the players are completely smallminded if that leads them to effectively withdraw their labour for an important game.
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Fuck them, they can train in the cold.
They've run less than any other team and got themselves relegated before the trees blossom, they can fuck off with their mid season trip to Dubai.
They're midtable and had lost 8 and won 9 before playing us, they shouldn't be stuffing us at all. We should at the very least be making them work. This defeatist talk is bollocks. Now we're not even expecting us to be in a game against midtable teams.
Tell me one player we have who would get in their team, including subs.
What he saidI have no inside info on this but find it completely plausible. Our team is in at a freezing cold Bodymoor heath while others are training in the sunshine on a break /team bonding exercise. I heard that Leicester are in Vegas? Look what team spirit has achieved for them this season. God knows we need that spirit more than anyone right now. So yet more dimwit money saving decisions by the clowns running our once mighty football club.I've heard the players were sulking Sunday because an overseas trip to the sun was cancelled., cost cutting.If it was cancelled for cost reasons, then the club are totally barmy (Sunderland, I note, have gone off to the sun; interesting to see how their form goes in two week' time). And, it does not augur well for the future if the club are cutting costs in this way.
Equally, the players are completely smallminded if that leads them to effectively withdraw their labour for an important game.
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Fuck them, they can train in the cold.
They've run less than any other team and got themselves relegated before the trees blossom, they can fuck off with their mid season trip to Dubai.
I know what your saying and I feel your pain. But if a trip abroad during a 2 week break is what it takes to inject some team spirit into the fuckers then I'd pay for it myself.I have no inside info on this but find it completely plausible. Our team is in at a freezing cold Bodymoor heath while others are training in the sunshine on a break /team bonding exercise. I heard that Leicester are in Vegas? Look what team spirit has achieved for them this season. God knows we need that spirit more than anyone right now. So yet more dimwit money saving decisions by the clowns running our once mighty football club.I've heard the players were sulking Sunday because an overseas trip to the sun was cancelled., cost cutting.If it was cancelled for cost reasons, then the club are totally barmy (Sunderland, I note, have gone off to the sun; interesting to see how their form goes in two week' time). And, it does not augur well for the future if the club are cutting costs in this way.
Equally, the players are completely smallminded if that leads them to effectively withdraw their labour for an important game.
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Fuck them, they can train in the cold.
They've run less than any other team and got themselves relegated before the trees blossom, they can fuck off with their mid season trip to Dubai.
What do they think they've done to deserve anything but pissing down rain and hard work? They're currently in the middle of the worst season results wise in the history of the club the c***s.They don't DESERVE a break. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if taking them away on a break can help team bonding then bring it on. The manager has worked them hard on the training ground. That doesn't seem have done the trick does it?
What do they think they've done to deserve anything but pissing down rain and hard work? They're currently in the middle of the worst season results wise in the history of the club the c***s.They don't DESERVE a break. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if taking them away on a break can help team bonding then bring it on. The manager has worked them hard on the training ground. That doesn't seem have done the trick does it?
If I didn't perform well at work I'm sure my boss wouldn't send me of to the sun for a couple of weeks. I would be down the road muttering.Ok you tell me how they're going to build a team spirit. The fuckers don't even speak to each other after a game.
Back to the OP, it's just Carragher being sensationalist. He said a season or two ago on Sky something like 'Villa have massive potential, they should be top 8 as a minimum'.
Is it safe to assume that there will be no end of season awards again?Yes, an award for being the Shittest. (is that a word? if not then i just invented it).
Is it safe to assume that there will be no end of season awards again?Yes, an award for being the Shittest. (is that a word? if not then i just invented it).
It is a word. I looked it up under Birmingham City.Is it safe to assume that there will be no end of season awards again?Yes, an award for being the Shittest. (is that a word? if not then i just invented it).
Heh! - Heh! you naughty boy!!..It is a word. I looked it up under Birmingham City.Is it safe to assume that there will be no end of season awards again?Yes, an award for being the Shittest. (is that a word? if not then i just invented it).
I was watching Champions League highlights on TV3 (irish channel) here last night, with Neil Lennon and Kevin Kilbane as guests/analysts.
They talked about Chelsea and Eden Hazards apathy and lack of effort. The point was made that during the poor run that Chelsea had at the start of the season, the players would probably be have been talking amongst themselves saying that if things didn't improve they would probably be looking around for a new team, much the same way that any team of individuals would talk.
The point they were making was that it would not be a surprise if Eden Hazard, Costa et al were looking for a move away from Chelsea, as at the start of the season the whole team were probably looking for a way out.
It struck me that this is the situation at Villa. It wouldn't be a surprise if a lot of the players were talking about leaving, it would certainly explain the recent behaviours of Richards, Lescott, Guzan, N'Zog etc', and the comments from Okore, if they were all standing around the water cooler discussing how they could get away from a club that will be relegated.
I suppose it would be just like working in a company that were performing below targets, and being run by idiots, you would want out as well.
None of them will ever play for a club as big as Aston Villa if they played until the rapture.