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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 09:46:51 PM
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Go for it
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Ayew complete Pratt I strongly believe we would've won that.
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Boot. Human face. Forever.
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Merge my effort mods please.
I'm convinced we would have won that if it wasn't for the brainless fcuk wit.
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We looked good until the sending off. Hard to judge from there. Would have been nice to have put them under more pressure, even with 10. Norwich and Sunderland lost as well.
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Didn't watch. We were crap.
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They tried. There appears to be some pride and organisation but we remain toothless despite a good start.
Maybe we did get the wrong brother after all. What was he thinking?
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Remi, show you're as fucked off as we are, and hand in your letter, matey, with our blessing.
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Mark Noble man of the match.
Insult considering he should have been sent off almost twice. Dirty bastard.
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Like having someone set about your face with an angle grinder for 90 minutes, week in, week out.
It's pretty amazing just how depressing this season can get. Every time you think it might stop for a bit, it just gets worse.
Staggering.
Even when we play well, something horrible happens. Every single fucking time.
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Ayew and the ref cost us tonight. Ayew was an idiot and the ref was yet another who gave us nothing. Our board's idiocy was shown by our bench tonight. Also I'm afraid Gil was very poor. Good fight from the rest and Richards did well.
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We were doing well until Jordan Ayew got himself stupidly sent off. Then the tide turned.
Positives? Bunn had a decent game, as did Richards. Gabby got more than his infamous eight touches.
Richardson for Gil - why?
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Sending off killed us.
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We battled tonight. Not seen that much this season. Similar level of effort on Saturday and we could close the gap to 7 points with Norwich dropping like a stone.
Not saying we'd survive but I'd take just having the possibility of something to play for in the remaining games.
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Can't underestimate the stupidity of that sending off. We could easily have been four points behind Norwich come Saturday night.
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Merge my effort mods please.
I'm convinced we would have won that if it wasn't for the brainless fcuk wit.
Are you angry?
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"We're having a part when Lerner dies" got a good airing. Better side until the sending off and then it was only a matter of time.
I managed to get on the first tube out of Upton Park, which is no mean feat. Silverlinings and all that.
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Ayew and the ref cost us tonight. Ayew was an idiot and the ref was yet another who gave us nothing. Our board's idiocy was shown by our bench tonight. Also I'm afraid Gil was very poor. Good fight from the rest and Richards did well.
Bit unfair on Gil. Was finding space until the sending off then shoe horned into a bank of four and stifled.
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Richardson is extremely poor
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Remi showed his class tonight had the side well organised and until that idiot got himself sent off we were on top. We defended very well but it's hard with ten men for most of the game. Their second came about because we chased a result.
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If Garde walked, would you:
A) Blame him?
B) Blame the 'board' for accepting?
C) Care?
No for all three for me.
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We were pretty flawless for 17mins. Then as is when u are at the bottom we don't get a stonewall pen, a moment of madness and the game was over. Absolutely inevitable. Ref was really poor, Bacuna was worse. Gil was our best player before the red then got shifted to a position where he was completely rubbish and cost us for the goal unfortunately. Well done to Richards, Bunn, Veretout, Lescott and Okore.
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I reckon we would have taken at least a point had he not been sent off
But you can't not get decisions like the ones we didn't tonight and you are fucked before you start
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Bar I tried was showing some team against Marseilles, glad I missed the game
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Piss poor from Ayew, should be ashamed of himself. Worst ref performance I've seen all season, he set the tone for them to get away with anything and could easily have sent off Noble and Collins if he'd applied the laws properly.
From the team they tired which is understandable but I thought we were the better team in the first half and Gueye, Richards and Okore in particular had very good games and didn't deserve to lose that. Gil was poor and should've been replaced sooner but not by Richardson who is the worst player I've seen in a villa shirt for years and I included fat blokes playing at power league, his first touch is a fucking disgrace for a professional and he looks like he's in high heels the way he prances around.
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Another three points goes begging. I believe that. In an alternate universe, where Ayew acts like a proper striker and forgets about the defender doing not much, we have two up top and a 1-0 win. For a 2-0 win West Ham were very bad.
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Shout out to Bacuna for getting paid by pretending to be a footballer.
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Didn't watch. We were crap.
I presume you mean Were we crap ?
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Another penalty denied - looked a replica of Cisshoko's a few weeks back.
...and as for Ayew, utter stupidity and of course he's now out for 3 games...good job we don't need a striker. We were on top when he succumbed to Cresswell's agitation.
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Thought we defended pretty well in the circumstances. A moment of madness has possibly cost us getting something out of the game even if only a point and if we'd been given the penalty, then who knows. Bunn, Richards and Lescott were great. Bringing on Richardson was just a waste of time, the game was too quick for him.
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Villa make me sad.
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Just think, there's still three months of this utter carnage to go.
Will they release a season review DVD this year? It'll fly off the shelves of the Smethwick and Bordesley pound shops, but no other bugger would buy it.
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If Garde walked, would you:
A) Blame him?
B) Blame the 'board' for accepting?
C) Care?
No for all three for me.
I'd care a lot.
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Why does remi play bacuna and richardson? What's the point? May as well blood the yoot.
also gabby will now be fucked and effectively strikerless for saturday?
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Ayew sealed our fate tonight, but how many more fucking inept referees will we get this season.
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Good thing we have depth in our strike force otherwise that suspension will be catastrophic. Oh wait the board decided not to FUCKING BUY ANYONE . Great job, guys, great job.
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Not seen it but shocking ref and stupid stupid sending off. Cant see whos going to score for us on Saturday, Ayew is our best goal threat - and even then has he scored since Boxing Day? Feel very sorry for Remi Garde, this board deserves everything its going to get. And to top it off - and I seem to say this every week for the last 3-4 years - it doesn't hurt anymore. It used to be like an open wound, now its just move on to the next one. Bad times.
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West Ham were there for the taking up to the sending off. After that at least we showed some spirit. The second goal was a risk we had to take in pushing players forward for the corner (which was a poor corner as usual).
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Regardless of the sending off, there's just nothing 'there' going forward. Nothing. No pace. No one who will take a risk and get in the box, no one from midfield driving forward, no decent crosses going into the box.
I know confidence has been shot for ages, but I have never seen such a cowardly team turn out for us. No one outside of the back 4 retakes any inkling of responsibility.
I couldn't fault the back 4 or Bunn tonight. They were solid throughout. But with nothing in front of them it was inevitable.
With Garde I can't make my mind up. He talks a good talk. He's got us organised defensively at last. But is he too conservative a manager? Tonight was a case in point - we were never going to score - somewhat was Richardson ever going to add when he brought him on late? We needed a spark - surely Grealish (I know I know) would have provided something. Or the chance of providing something at least?
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We're not going to win another game this season are we?
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Right now I don't think any of the teams up to half way are any better than us, but the stupidity of things we do and the decisions against us are now bordering on the bizarre - apart from the board of course. Board aside, i think we have taken the cliche of things going against you when you are the bottom to a new extreme
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Right now I don't think any of the teams up to half way are any better than us, but the stupidity of things we do and the decisions against us are now bordering on the bizarre - apart from the board of course. Board aside, i think we have taken the cliche of things going against you when you are the bottom to a new extreme
At least the effort is there now that's about all you can say. Good performances from Bunn Richard's Lescott Gans and Gabby at least gave us an out ball.
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One thing I really, really hope the current or next manager of Aston Villa breeds is to know when to cut your cloth accordingly. No attacker over six feet high being marked by giants? Lump it up the middle time and again.
I would just like to see some football played by Aston Villa before I die.
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We're not going to win another game this season are we?
It would be beneficial to all if we just resign from the league.
Week in / week out we have to put up with turgid performances, ill discipline.
When's it going to end ?
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Right now I don't think any of the teams up to half way are any better than us, but the stupidity of things we do and the decisions against us are now bordering on the bizarre - apart from the board of course. Board aside, i think we have taken the cliche of things going against you when you are the bottom to a new extreme
At least the effort is there now that's about all you can say. Good performances from Bunn Richard's Lescott Gans and Gabby at least gave us an out ball.
I agree, definitely no lack of effort, and I saw them care tonight, even if most of their anger was directed at the buffoon in black
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If Garde walked, would you:
A) Blame him?
B) Blame the 'board' for accepting?
C) Care?
No for all three for me.
I'd care a lot.
Really? I'm past caring. I feel nothing about tonight. If he went he went. If he didn't he didn't.I'm just past caring now.
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I see Benik Afobe has scored 3 in the last 3 games now. Him and Jordan Rhodes should've been bought when Benteke left. Still, what do I know?
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We've won one game all season off our own back, the other was a fluke. There is literally no point watching the remaining 14 games, we will though and it's going to be agonizing as fuck.
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Yes really he's the only one with a brain at the club.
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What I don't get is why don't we have an U 21 striker on the bench bizzare
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We're not going to win another game this season are we?
It would be beneficial to all if we just resign from the league.
Week in / week out we have to put up with turgid performances, ill discipline.
When's it going to end ?
I would honestly take the relegation now if it meant no more. No Más.
What's the football equivalent of chucking in the towel? Starting with Gabby?
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Just seems everything is against us..from our own shortcomings as a club to the shortcomings of poor officials.
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If Garde walked, would you:
A) Blame him?
B) Blame the 'board' for accepting?
C) Care?
No for all three for me.
I'd care a lot.
Really? I'm past caring. I feel nothing about tonight. If he went he went. If he didn't he didn't.I'm just past caring now.
But if you don't care a feather or a fig
You may grow up to be a pig
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A promising start completely ruined by a moment of sheer idiocy from Ayew and a shocking display of refereeing.
I have a feeling that Remi will be gone in the next 24 hours. He's not a fool and it's clear he can see our arrogant board have set him up to be the fall guy. Can see the atmosphere against Norwich being poisonous.
In twenty seven years as a Villa fan, I've never felt as low about the club is love as I do right now.
It's no longer the club my Grandad introduced me to all those years ago. One of this countries great institutions slowly destroyed by apathy, complacency and ignorance of a rich fool who quickly bored of his discarded plaything.
Gérard Houllier, Alex McLeish, Paul Lambert, Tim Sherwood and now Remi Garde. All had undoubted faults, but all set up to carry the can.
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I said in the match thread I personally didn't think it was a Penalty but I have to admit that I have seen those given.
Remy thought that their first goal was arguably offside, but again I'm not sure about that one either.
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I like Garde, I really do. But Richardson? He looks and plays like Craig Charles.
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Referees never, ever give struggling teams a fair shake. They have made their mind up who are the good guys and who are the bad guys before the game starts. You mark my words, once we are mathematically down we will get every decision. It is not by accident that the even handed treatment you must have when your back is to the wall you never get. When it does not matter suddenly you get treated fairly.
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Shout out to Bacuna for getting paid by pretending to be a footballer.
The most annoying thing about him is the endless times he has the opportunity to get a cross in but instead plays it back for somebody else to take responsibility. All momentum goes immediately down the drain.
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It doesn't help when Jasper Carrott is the fourth official.
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If our season could be summed up in 45 minutes, that was it.
Thought we defended with spirit and we appeared to be organised,but its not enough to get out of this.Can we see a touch of Andre Green,Mason and Corey Taylor over the next 5/6 weeks....just to restore a vestige of hope.
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I think we'll keep playing the experienced players as long as there is a glimmer of survival. But after Saturday, even if we win but results go against us...that's the goose just about charred, isn't it?
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game was pretty much gone when Ayew got sent off. Gabby starting at all is a stretch but playing up top by himself in a 10 man team meant we had no outball. Richards had his best game in a very long time. Centre backs were solid. Gueye battled well second goal aside, Veretout did well too I thought and lasted the 90 mins well. Need someone a bit physically stronger playing with those two though. Bacuna grafted hard in the first half but didnt want to be on the pitch in the second.
Kind of game that will get Noble into the English squad, armchair ride in midfield, would be a deserved call up mind
Thought Bunn was poor to be honest, David James right castigating his efforts for the second goal and he was totally at fault for their only chance in the first half. Unless Grealish is acting up off the pitch, leaving him on the bench and bringing on clowns like Richardson and Sinclair is nonsense.
Bunn 5, Richards 8, Okore 7, Lescott 7, Cissokho 5, Bacuna 4, Gueye 6, Veretout 6, Gil 4, Gabby 5, Ayew (make him walk). Richardson (drop him off at the Battersea dogs and cats home), Sinclair 5
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I hate this time of year and am always glad to see the summer. But this year, I'll be happier than ever.
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A promising start completely ruined by a moment of sheer idiocy from Ayew and a shocking display of refereeing.
I have a feeling that Remi will be gone in the next 24 hours. He's not a fool and it's clear he can see our arrogant board have set him up to be the fall guy. Can see the atmosphere against Norwich being poisonous.
In twenty seven years as a Villa fan, I've never felt as low about the club is love as I do right now.
It's no longer the club my Grandad introduced me to all those years ago. One of this countries great institutions slowly destroyed by apathy, complacency and ignorance of a rich fool who quickly bored of his discarded plaything.
Gérard Houllier, Alex McLeish, Paul Lambert, Tim Sherwood and now Remi Garde. All had undoubted faults, but all set up to carry the can.
Bold bit - basic logic why bother sacking Sherwood and paying compo, etc just to employ someone to set up as a fall guy? It makes no sense and is clearly not true. They may have shifted the goalposts but the level of conspiracy theories about why they've done certain things this season is just silly.
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We'd have still lost that had Ayew stayed on the pitch because we are simply not good enough in most areas of the pitch for a full game. If we are defending with what is basically 10 men why are the opposition allowed space to get a header on target for the first goal? That's purely down to defenders not doing their job. Either stopping the cross or not marking a free man. It's shit.
We are a pale shadow of an Aston Villa football team.
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We'd have still lost that had Ayew stayed on the pitch because we are simply not good enough in most areas of the pitch for a full game. If we are defending with what is basically 10 men why are the opposition allowed space to get a header on target for the first goal? That's purely down to defenders not doing their job. Either stopping the cross or not marking a free man. It's shit.
We are a pale shadow of an Aston Villa football team.
because we lost the ball in midfield, they broke fast and Gil lost his man when he was playing a position he's totally unsuited for?
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Best league in the world my arse. West Ham are utter shite.
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I've honestly lost the will to care. And I hate myself for it. Thank goodness I was at work and had meetings so I couldn't watch any more of the game. We're going down while fucking Leicester City have a great chance of winning the league. A side that at this time last year looked all but dead. Unbelievable.
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Paul E - the Board is just that. Silly.
How else can anybody explain the lack of signings this January.
Totally f ing stupid on so many levels, if you are in charge of a Premier League Football Club.
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Got to give a big shout out to 1800 fans who travelled there tonight. Absolutely fcukin dire one shot on target in the last minute and no attacking threat whatsoever.
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A promising start completely ruined by a moment of sheer idiocy from Ayew and a shocking display of refereeing.
I have a feeling that Remi will be gone in the next 24 hours. He's not a fool and it's clear he can see our arrogant board have set him up to be the fall guy. Can see the atmosphere against Norwich being poisonous.
In twenty seven years as a Villa fan, I've never felt as low about the club is love as I do right now.
It's no longer the club my Grandad introduced me to all those years ago. One of this countries great institutions slowly destroyed by apathy, complacency and ignorance of a rich fool who quickly bored of his discarded plaything.
Gérard Houllier, Alex McLeish, Paul Lambert, Tim Sherwood and now Remi Garde. All had undoubted faults, but all set up to carry the can.
Bold bit - basic logic why bother sacking Sherwood and paying compo, etc just to employ someone to set up as a fall guy? It makes no sense and is clearly not true. They may have shifted the goalposts but the level of conspiracy theories about why they've done certain things this season is just silly.
I think you are giving the board way too much credit on the sense front.
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Not defending Ayew but Cresswell gets away with a girly skin pinch on Ayew's Back/Neck which led to the elbow reaction. Up until then, there was only one team in control.
Congratulations but go to Micah Richards who finally decided tonight to show the Villa fans he's not always a self loving, doing us a favour, useless piece of shit, up his own arse eunuch. Shame it took so long but I guess he's now focused on finding his next club and victim.
As for Remi; we will nose drive if he were to leave. My guess is his patience is rapidly running out.
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Silent Witness was great.
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Best league in the world my arse. West Ham are utter shite.
There's a lot of truth to this. Nothing against Leicester (well, everything against Leicester, but that's another argument), but in what league can a team spend half a season stony bottom and virtually twelve months later be possibly one game away from putting their noses out in front for good? Somewhere along the line teams became overpriced players you collected rather than patiently built no matter the cost. Leicester have succeeded with those players because Ranieri saw what he had, realised they played exactly the way he wanted them to, and them let them do it. And so it is that the only proper team in the league will probably win it, and that should be a good thing, but in another way it shows the Premier League for what it is: a big flashing neon sign being run from an overworked socket.
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I bloody hope Garde doesn't walk as the club would just descend in total chaos as opposed to just being in chaos. It doesn't bear thinking about.
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Unfortunately it is all too easy to work out the manner of Remi's betrayal. When he came he was promised adequate funds. He would not have come without that assurance. The board would not have invited him to come without that assurance. Enter Steve Hollis, as Ads describes him perfectly our de facto administrator, and "adequate" funding to bring in the players Remi Garde wants becomes "within our projected budget parameters"
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Bilic post match interview
"They are good but are paying the price for what went on at the start of the season " (not an ad verbatim quote) and "they controlled game after first 3 minutes "
Ayew key us down but did have a reputation before we signed him after that there was only going to be one outcome
Oh and Richardson is a waste of space
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We made Mark Noble look like Lionel Messi.
Mark Noble.
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Started brightly and could have had a penalty, but as soon as Ayew was sent off there was only ever going to be one outcome. We did well to hold out for as long as we did, but it was a poor goal to concede and it was equally poor to be caught off our own corner for the second. Bacuna was awful in midfield tonight, but even he looked decent compared to Richardson when he came on.
While we had eleven on the pitch, we looked pretty decent, though still desperately lacking a spark in midfield and up front. Now if only there was a window halfway through the season where you can try and fix such problems.
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Unfortunately it is all too easy to work out the manner of Remi's betrayal. When he came he was promised adequate funds. He would not have come without that assurance. The board would not have invited him to come without that assurance. Enter Steve Hollis, as Ads describes him perfectly our de facto administrator, and "adequate" funding to bring in the players Remi Garde wants becomes "within our projected budget parameters"
That is precisely what I think has happened.
How would we expect Hollis - the man Randy had to 'persuade' to take the job - to understand that, what with him being a self confessed "not a football man".
The ineptitude from Lerner is just staggering. He can't even extricate himself from the scene without utterly fucking it up.
The bloke has been a disaster.
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Got to give a big shout out to 1800 fans who travelled there tonight. Absolutely fcukin dire one shot on target in the last minute and no attacking threat whatsoever.
Savage being a tool on the BT commentary, constantly referring to '900' Villa fans.
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Another good performance especially at the back but the game was lost through Ayew's madness as we may have snuck a goal with him on the pitch.
And Bilic is right, the whole season was lost in August not games like tonight.
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Not one player could look Garde in the eye and shake his hand on way off pitch .
And I know this is stating the obvious - but something ain't right .
Whether they were annoyed / embarrassed at losing again or there is a serious rift between manager and players - it looked very bad to me .
Wouldn't surprise me if he walked very soon - sad times .
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Down.
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Best league in the world my arse. West Ham are utter shite.
There's a lot of truth to this. Nothing against Leicester (well, everything against Leicester, but that's another argument), but in what league can a team spend half a season stony bottom and virtually twelve months later be possibly one game away from putting their noses out in front for good? Somewhere along the line teams became overpriced players you collected rather than patiently built no matter the cost. Leicester have succeeded with those players because Ranieri saw what he had, realised they played exactly the way he wanted them to, and them let them do it. And so it is that the only proper team in the league will probably win it, and that should be a good thing, but in another way it shows the Premier League for what it is: a big flashing neon sign being run from an overworked socket.
So true. Money has sucked the life out of the PL. The product really is poor but can one really be surprised - the game is rotten from FIFA all the way down. Greed, corruption, and politics.
Like others, I really find I don't care too much these days. They are not getting my money that's for sure. And as for Villa, my club always but it isn't what it used to be and likely never will be.
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Is he out of the picture though?
Hollis has been quoted as saying that he can't recommend the shareholder does this or that. Lerner still has the final say regardless of the crap Hollis and Fox pedal to the press.
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Lots of questions but really can't be bothered anymore apart from one! HOW THE FUCK DOES LEANDRO BACUNA GET AWAY WITH BEING IN OUR TEAM WEEK AFTER WEEK THE FUCKTARD BASTARD,???????
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I worry for remi as a man , he really doesn't deserve all this. how much sleep will he get tonight, will he hit the vino , will he take it out on his nearest, fucking bastard club , a couple of million quid softens the blow mind
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Oi. Villa Board.
You have an awful lot to sort out.
Keeping Remi for a start.
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From the beeb:
"We were denied a penalty," said Villa boss Remi Garde. "I'm sorry for the referee but it was a clear penalty.
"We started well. Then after that this penalty and this stupid red card, the game was over.
"The first goal, I'm not sure it wasn't offside. I feel very sorry for the guys to be beaten after the bravery they showed."
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To Hollis Aston villa is a very well paid job. A job he knows fuck all about and can't believe his luck.Aston villa are many things to many people. Unfortunately to the ones that pull the strings Aston villa is just a gravy train. So as long as the those pigs have their noses in the trough I am going to give them as much abuse as I can.
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The one thing that gives me any hope that there's life beyond Lerner is that a change can't be far off. Hollis is nothing but a bean-counter, and the budget's been cut to the quick, and I find it staggering beyond measure that the board would have just shrugged their shoulders and taken a knock-out blow without some form of defence, as well as alienating a manager that's been in post for about two months. That's why I hope, hope, hope Lerner's not spent any more than what it takes to keep the club operational.
Of course, even bearing that in mind, letting the club and by extension its fanbase slither into the division below without a pang of conscience is so spiteful as to be malevolent. I wish nothing but the worst for Randoplh Lerner and hope that everything he touches after he leaves B6 fails beyond hope of redemption.
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I'm off to finish "Making a Murderer". Cheer myself up.
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He has so improved the team I feel really sorry for him as he is the bloke taking all the pelters.
I'd say he was dealt a bad hand when he joined but he wasn't. It was way worse. Instead he turned over his cards and it was two Jokers. And you know who's face was on each.
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Remi, show you're as fucked off as we are, and hand in your letter, matey, with our blessing.
Yes.
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Not one player could look Garde in the eye and shake his hand on way off pitch .
And I know this is stating the obvious - but something ain't right .
Whether they were annoyed / embarrassed at losing again or there is a serious rift between manager and players - it looked very bad to me .
Wouldn't surprise me if he walked very soon - sad times .
If you've just lost why would you be shaking the manager's hand, why would he want to shake yours?
To me it shows they're all pissed off with the outcome (as they should be), no smiles, no hand shakes just pissed off, and, leave me alone for a while stance, just like I and most of us feel after most games this season.
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After the sending off you just watch and wait for the defeat, its so utterly shit, I try to hide how I feel with family and friends and especially the Albion/Blues rabble at work who have cranked things up with me recently but its
very hard to keep your guard up, I've been going down the Villa over 50 years so have seen the 67/70/87 relegations but cant remember ever feeling this low.
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Not one player could look Garde in the eye and shake his hand on way off pitch .
And I know this is stating the obvious - but something ain't right .
Whether they were annoyed / embarrassed at losing again or there is a serious rift between manager and players - it looked very bad to me .
Wouldn't surprise me if he walked very soon - sad times .
If you've just lost why would you be shaking the manager's hand, why would he want to shake yours?
To me it shows they're all pissed off with the outcome (as they should be), no smiles, no hand shakes just pissed off, and, leave me alone for a while stance, just like I and most of us feel after most games this season.
It's not even true, i watched and saw several of them shaking his hand.
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1 win in 13 and no attempt to get back in the game after we went behind. And still the mugs and sheep defend this utterly clueless manager. Yes the board are a joke, but I hope to god he's gone by the morning. I hate the guy. Worst manager we've ever had.
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What the fuck do we have to get a penalty? If someone shot one of our players we still wouldn't get one
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1 win in 13 and no attempt to get back in the game after we went behind. And still the mugs and sheep defend this utterly clueless manager. Yes the board are a joke, but I hope to god he's gone by the morning. I hate the guy. Worst manager we've ever had.
Since Sherwood, Lambert mcleish ?
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1 win in 13 and no attempt to get back in the game after we went behind. And still the mugs and sheep defend this utterly clueless manager. Yes the board are a joke, but I hope to god he's gone by the morning. I hate the guy. Worst manager we've ever had.
Yeah, he should have brought all those great attacking options on to have a go with ten men. Erm... fuck me.
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1 win in 13 and no attempt to get back in the game after we went behind. And still the mugs and sheep defend this utterly clueless manager. Yes the board are a joke, but I hope to god he's gone by the morning. I hate the guy. Worst manager we've ever had.
Hate? For what?
Your drivel on here is far more hate inducing than anything Garde has tried to do!
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1 win in 13 and no attempt to get back in the game after we went behind. And still the mugs and sheep defend this utterly clueless manager. Yes the board are a joke, but I hope to god he's gone by the morning. I hate the guy. Worst manager we've ever had.
If you want to insult anyone you disagree with, go and do it somewhere else.
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1 win in 13 and no attempt to get back in the game after we went behind. And still the mugs and sheep defend this utterly clueless manager. Yes the board are a joke, but I hope to god he's gone by the morning. I hate the guy. Worst manager we've ever had.
Hate? For what?
Your drivel on here is far more hate inducing than anything Garde has tried to do!
Wake up sheeple!
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1 win in 13 and no attempt to get back in the game after we went behind. And still the mugs and sheep defend this utterly clueless manager. Yes the board are a joke, but I hope to god he's gone by the morning. I hate the guy. Worst manager we've ever had.
You hate a Villa manager?
You do realise this is forum for Villa and not the Noses or Sandwell?
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Remi, show you're as fucked off as we are, and hand in your letter, matey, with our blessing.
Yes.
This. And its sickening it has come to this.
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1 win in 13 and no attempt to get back in the game after we went behind. And still the mugs and sheep defend this utterly clueless manager. Yes the board are a joke, but I hope to god he's gone by the morning. I hate the guy. Worst manager we've ever had.
Worse than McNeill? Doubt it.
Anyhoo, playing well, should have had a penalty. Shocking decision not to give it. Head fuck from Ayew, you gormless fucking moron and then we capitulate. No one on the bench to change it. Bacuna was fucking diabolical, Gil a lazy twat. Their goal was offside, then they score from our corner. A night to forget for the officials, terrible.
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1 win in 13 and no attempt to get back in the game after we went behind. And still the mugs and sheep defend this utterly clueless manager. Yes the board are a joke, but I hope to god he's gone by the morning. I hate the guy. Worst manager we've ever had.
You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
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1 win in 13 and no attempt to get back in the game after we went behind. And still the mugs and sheep defend this utterly clueless manager. Yes the board are a joke, but I hope to god he's gone by the morning. I hate the guy. Worst manager we've ever had.
You hate a Villa manager?
You do realise this is forum for Villa and not the Noses or Sandwell?
So what you doing still here
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Not one player could look Garde in the eye and shake his hand on way off pitch .
And I know this is stating the obvious - but something ain't right .
Whether they were annoyed / embarrassed at losing again or there is a serious rift between manager and players - it looked very bad to me .
Wouldn't surprise me if he walked very soon - sad times .
If you've just lost why would you be shaking the manager's hand, why would he want to shake yours?
To me it shows they're all pissed off with the outcome (as they should be), no smiles, no hand shakes just pissed off, and, leave me alone for a while stance, just like I and most of us feel after most games this season.
It's not even true, i watched and saw several of them shaking his hand.
Only when he made the first move .
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I fear statistically, LTA will have a point. But like most data, unless you know the context it's not much use. Garde is clearly far from being the worst manager we've ever had.
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No manager we have ever had is worse than McNeill - we have had useless managers and we have had managers who didn't give a shit
We never had one who perfected both with such expertise and execution.
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Unfortunately it is all too easy to work out the manner of Remi's betrayal. When he came he was promised adequate funds. He would not have come without that assurance. The board would not have invited him to come without that assurance. Enter Steve Hollis, as Ads describes him perfectly our de facto administrator, and "adequate" funding to bring in the players Remi Garde wants becomes "within our projected budget parameters"
That is precisely what I think has happened.
How would we expect Hollis - the man Randy had to 'persuade' to take the job - to understand that, what with him being a self confessed "not a football man".
The ineptitude from Lerner is just staggering. He can't even extricate himself from the scene without utterly fucking it up.
The bloke has been a disaster.
And that hopeless sap Hollis is parachuted in half through the transfer window, which given our predicament was make or break. So Randy even manages to balls up the blokes appointment and the planned transfer window that Garde and Fox were summoned to New York to orchestrate and his own exit stage left. Omnishables ain't close. Lerner is the most gormless fucker on earth, just seeing his smug, stupid face provokes violent urges... Trust fund wanker that he is.
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1 win in 13 and no attempt to get back in the game after we went behind. And still the mugs and sheep defend this utterly clueless manager. Yes the board are a joke, but I hope to god he's gone by the morning. I hate the guy. Worst manager we've ever had.
And the fool of the year award goes to.....
Do you realise that the one thing that Sherwood and Garde had in common was not only the piss poor board but also the truly abysmal team? Watching richardson tonight was painful, even more so because we are paying him to play. Ayew is undisciplined and cost us the game but even before that, not one player showed any passion, leadership or any attempt to get into positions and take on west ham. They are resigned to defeat, most likely hoping they will get places elsewhere and have no fight in them. Garde is not a bad manager but is too good for the villa as it will ruin his career. This club is toxic, they are weak, cowardly and a fucking disgrace to the once proud might that was Aston Villa and each one of the sycophantical board needs to get out. I feel for the players as they are poundland players dressed up as waitrose ones. They are not good enough, the entire squad needs shaking up. And gabby, get a backbone and get it quick as he is going from hero to zero.
It isnt garde as he is living proof that nobody can polish a turd without ending up being covered in shit
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After the sending off you just watch and wait for the defeat, its so utterly shit, I try to hide how I feel with family and friends and especially the Albion/Blues rabble at work who have cranked things up with me recently but its
very hard to keep your guard up, I've been going down the Villa over 50 years so have seen the 67/70/87 relegations but cant remember ever feeling this low.
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Pretty much sums up how I feel at the moment - I started going in 66-67 aged 9 and was too young to appreciate what relegation from the top division meant - in 1987, Doug appointed SGT and I knew we'd be on the way back - but times have changed drastically at the top in 29 years and after 5 years of struggle I've never felt so low about it all.
I Put the blame for losing tonight firmly on Ayew's shoulders - as others have already said, everything was going really well until then - and - it's not as though it's the first time he's showed his anger in the wrong way recently. I said earlier, win tonight and Saturday and Norwich and a few others might just start shaking - I won't accept it until it's mathematical but Saturday would be the must win game of any must win game EVER.
VTID
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We were doing well until Jordan Ayew got himself stupidly sent off. Then the tide turned.
Positives? Bunn had a decent game, as did Richards. Gabby got more than his infamous eight touches.
Richardson for Gil - why?
Dunno what it looked like on the box but Gil was shite. Too frail and feeble for a scrapping match.
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Not one player could look Garde in the eye and shake his hand on way off pitch .
And I know this is stating the obvious - but something ain't right .
Whether they were annoyed / embarrassed at losing again or there is a serious rift between manager and players - it looked very bad to me .
Wouldn't surprise me if he walked very soon - sad times .
If you've just lost why would you be shaking the manager's hand, why would he want to shake yours?
To me it shows they're all pissed off with the outcome (as they should be), no smiles, no hand shakes just pissed off, and, leave me alone for a while stance, just like I and most of us feel after most games this season.
It's not even true, i watched and saw several of them shaking his hand.
Only when he made the first move .
But that isn't what you said, is it?
The onyl reason i picked this up was because i noticed Lescott walked straight past him whereas the rest of them - most of them - shook his hand.
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Probably the final nail in the coffin and how fitting that it was hammered in by one of our own.
One does wonder, with the sheer scale of ineptitude displayed by Lerner and his lickspittles, just how low he can take us.
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Just realised that Saturday could be the start of the official countdown to our relegation. If we lose and Leicester win we can't finish above them. Then it will be a case of keep ticking off more and more teams as the games pass.
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Probably the final nail in the coffin and how fitting that it was hammered in by one of our own.
One does wonder, with the sheer scale of ineptitude displayed by Lerner and his lickspittles, just how low he can take us.
We can be sure that these boyos have some heavy duty drilling gear and they have set their sights on the earth's core.
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After the sending off you just watch and wait for the defeat, its so utterly shit, I try to hide how I feel with family and friends and especially the Albion/Blues rabble at work who have cranked things up with me recently but its
very hard to keep your guard up, I've been going down the Villa over 50 years so have seen the 67/70/87 relegations but cant remember ever feeling this low.
I've seen what you have seen.
Never, ever let your guard down.
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No manager we have ever had is worse than McNeill - we have had useless managers and we have had managers who didn't give a shit
Not sure who our worst ever manager is but in comparative terms - meaning measuring their ability versus their peers - this is the worst Villa team I have ever seen. It is clear that this team is not as bad as the team which went down in 1970 from a division lower but we are way worse than any other team in the league. Miles worse. And the 1986-7 team were a dream compared to this lot.
Some nasty chanting v Lerner tonight - " we're having a party when Lerner dies" sung under the stand at half time and in the second half. There was a flag near us too being passed overhead but we couldn't read it - presumably not very flattering.
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After the sending off you just watch and wait for the defeat, its so utterly shit, I try to hide how I feel with family and friends and especially the Albion/Blues rabble at work who have cranked things up with me recently but its
very hard to keep your guard up, I've been going down the Villa over 50 years so have seen the 67/70/87 relegations but cant remember ever feeling this low.
I've seen what you have seen.
Never, ever let your guard down.
Or your Garde for that matter, eh Randy?
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I believe it said 'Sack the Board'.
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We were warned by fans in the US from the outset that RL was the devil. Makes me cringe to think we entertained the fuckin general on here.
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Why does remi play bacuna and richardson? What's the point? May as well blood the yoot.
also gabby will now be fucked and effectively strikerless for saturday?
I thought Bacuna had a really good first half. He was pulled out of position more in the second half, unsurprisingly and he's a wimp. But in the first 15 minutes we looked quite decent and he was part of it so guess that's why Garde played him.
Not sure why anyone would play Richardson that one's a mystery.
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No manager we have ever had is worse than McNeill - we have had useless managers and we have had managers who didn't give a shit
Not sure who our worst ever manager is but in comparative terms - meaning measuring their ability versus their peers - this is the worst Villa team I have ever seen. It is clear that this team is not as bad as the team which went down in 1970 from a division lower but we are way worse than any other team in the league. Miles worse. And the 1986-7 team were a dream compared to this lot.
Some nasty chanting v Lerner tonight - " we're having a party when Lerner dies" sung under the stand at half time and in the second half. There was a flag near us too being passed overhead but we couldn't read it - presumably not very flattering.
It's a shame that amongst our fantastic support that there's some that can be so vile.
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Shit day at work and a shit nighty watching that. Disgraceful performance by the referee. Ayew. WTF.
On the plus side, the defence did well tonight though. Richards especially.
Just watched Norwich on MOTD. They're awful. That's 5 losses on the bounce for them. We would have had a great chance against them on Saturday but I just can't see us getting anything more than possibly a point now.
Total respect for the 1800 who were there tonight. They deserved far better than a fuckwit referee and an Ayew brain fart.
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I'll start by saying I didn't rate Tim and wasn't sad to see him go ..however to me the board oversaw the mass recruitment in summer with some input from Tim but mainly based on stats and potential of players ( to add Greg Evans in the mail commentated that Payet from Spam would not have been on our rader as he was too old at 28) .
Tim couldn't mold the players into a team and created a poor atmosphere so was binned.They saw Remi as a good option , he would know the french players and had experience working within a budget. Unfortuantly the poor start with eroded squad confidence, lose of Amavi and fundamentaly just a not good enough squad was too much for him to turn round.So they took the decision to not spend more money after bad and spin the wheel of getting back promoted.
In this plan they miss that in doing this they have hung Remi out to dry , have left the players in no doubt the board has no confidence in them and lost any remaining good will with the fans.They have sentenced the club to a long 15 games ( 14 after tonight of slow death in the public glare) and left Remi to front up to the media to explain the clubs decision to give up.
The team until Ayews moment of madness where on top , I think Gabbys movement was looking effective with Ayew and we had some nice passing but it all went out the window with the red card.The rest of the game was a 73 min preview of the rest of the season the team struggling against and inevetiable result ,trying hard but lacking the quality.
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I'll start by saying I didn't rate Tim and wasn't sad to see him go ..however to me the board oversaw the mass recruitment in summer with some input from Tim but mainly based on stats and potential of players ( to add Greg Evans in the mail commentated that Payet from Spam would not have been on our rader as he was too old at 28) .
Tim couldn't mold the players into a team and created a poor atmosphere so was binned.They saw Remi as a good option , he would know the french players and had experience working within a budget. Unfortuantly the poor start with eroded squad confidence, lose of Amavi and fundamentaly just a not good enough squad was too much for him to turn round.So they took the decision to not spend more money after bad and spin the wheel of getting back promoted.
In this plan they miss that in doing this they have hung Remi out to dry , have left the players in no doubt the board has no confidence in them and lost any remaining good will with the fans.They have sentenced the club to a long 15 games ( 14 after tonight of slow death in the public glare) and left Remi to front up to the media to explain the clubs decision to give up.
The team until Ayews moment of madness where on top , I think Gabbys movement was looking effective with Ayew and we had some nice passing but it all went out the window with the red card.The rest of the game was a 73 min preview of the rest of the season the team struggling against and inevetiable result ,trying hard but lacking the quality.
Excellent analysis, in my opinion.
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I've seen in the short time remi has done a better footballing job than anyone since houillier and he doesn't fawn to anyone - in truth I feel sorry for him as he does all the
Right things and unless he has a massive beleif in next year I don't blame him for sodding off. I know we get fed rubbish but surely 'expect nothing' would have been better for remi - anyway what does it matter - we are down and without him I fear warnock or some other tosser which means we are gone for 15 years. For the younger of us - this can be f&&ced up very easy and you could be wondering how this could happen - I advise as much protest as you can muster - protests in division 2 don't get headlines.
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A game that just about sums us up. Well in control, much the better team only question was whether we could find a goal from an overweight striker who hasn't scored for 11 months and was only in the team because two other non-scoring strikers were unfit.
Bad refereeing and a rush of blood and the whole game changed. If we have to defend we didn't really want Gil doing any of it, but there's no choice because two other injuries mean we already have a makeshift central midfielder in the side.
Eventually Gil was taken off, and a total waste of space in Richardson replaced him. Sinclair, barely of PL standard nowadays himself, was being held back, presumably for the moment the excess lard totally caught up with Agbonlahor.
I'd like a video of this game to be shoved so far up Hollis' arse that he'll need a dentist to find it.
Take a look at West Ham, no great shakes, a couple of good players and several journeymen but no passengers and riding high in the league. Here's what we could have won, Fox.
Unfortunately the first departure is likely to be the only person who actually seems to know what he's doing.
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I'll start by saying I didn't rate Tim and wasn't sad to see him go ..however to me the board oversaw the mass recruitment in summer with some input from Tim but mainly based on stats and potential of players ( to add Greg Evans in the mail commentated that Payet from Spam would not have been on our rader as he was too old at 28) .
Tim couldn't mold the players into a team and created a poor atmosphere so was binned.They saw Remi as a good option , he would know the french players and had experience working within a budget. Unfortuantly the poor start with eroded squad confidence, lose of Amavi and fundamentaly just a not good enough squad was too much for him to turn round.So they took the decision to not spend more money after bad and spin the wheel of getting back promoted.
In this plan they miss that in doing this they have hung Remi out to dry , have left the players in no doubt the board has no confidence in them and lost any remaining good will with the fans.They have sentenced the club to a long 15 games ( 14 after tonight of slow death in the public glare) and left Remi to front up to the media to explain the clubs decision to give up.
The team until Ayews moment of madness where on top , I think Gabbys movement was looking effective with Ayew and we had some nice passing but it all went out the window with the red card.The rest of the game was a 73 min preview of the rest of the season the team struggling against and inevetiable result ,trying hard but lacking the quality.
I'll start by saying I didn't rate Tim and wasn't sad to see him go ..however to me the board oversaw the mass recruitment in summer with some input from Tim but mainly based on stats and potential of players ( to add Greg Evans in the mail commentated that Payet from Spam would not have been on our rader as he was too old at 28) .
Tim couldn't mold the players into a team and created a poor atmosphere so was binned.They saw Remi as a good option , he would know the french players and had experience working within a budget. Unfortuantly the poor start with eroded squad confidence, lose of Amavi and fundamentaly just a not good enough squad was too much for him to turn round.So they took the decision to not spend more money after bad and spin the wheel of getting back promoted.
In this plan they miss that in doing this they have hung Remi out to dry , have left the players in no doubt the board has no confidence in them and lost any remaining good will with the fans.They have sentenced the club to a long 15 games ( 14 after tonight of slow death in the public glare) and left Remi to front up to the media to explain the clubs decision to give up.
The team until Ayews moment of madness where on top , I think Gabbys movement was looking effective with Ayew and we had some nice passing but it all went out the window with the red card.The rest of the game was a 73 min preview of the rest of the season the team struggling against and inevetiable result ,trying hard but lacking the quality.
Excellent analysis, in my opinion.
Yes, very well put.
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Just when you think it can't get any worse. Spurs are well and truly in the title race.
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Is he out of the picture though?
Hollis has been quoted as saying that he can't recommend the shareholder does this or that. Lerner still has the final say regardless of the crap Hollis and Fox pedal to the press.
In the sense that Hollis has free reign provided we only spend what we earn (or not as the case maybe) then yes he's off the scene.
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The shit will really hit the fan on Saturday when we go 0-1 down.
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Having watched the sending off again you can clearly see Creswell pinch the back of Ayews neck which causes the reaction.
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Not one player could look Garde in the eye and shake his hand on way off pitch .
And I know this is stating the obvious - but something ain't right .
Whether they were annoyed / embarrassed at losing again or there is a serious rift between manager and players - it looked very bad to me .
Wouldn't surprise me if he walked very soon - sad times .
If you've just lost why would you be shaking the manager's hand, why would he want to shake yours?
To me it shows they're all pissed off with the outcome (as they should be), no smiles, no hand shakes just pissed off, and, leave me alone for a while stance, just like I and most of us feel after most games this season.
It's not even true, i watched and saw several of them shaking his hand.
Correct I saw a few of them do it as he was waiting for them all to come off. Nothing to see here.
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I'm off to finish "Making a Murderer". Cheer myself up.
I an owner of a football club is dead in the morning, we will support you in saying that it was a crime of passion.
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Having watched the sending off again you can clearly see Creswell pinch the back of Ayews neck which causes the reaction.
Of course..... It's the season of the perfect storm.
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Just when you think it can't get any worse. Spurs are well and truly in the title race.
I'm not fussed about whatever spurs are doing.
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Oh god the highlights are on - noble - not messi. I'm off to see villa at Leeds next season with my mate. Lerner complete tosser - I remember seeing same friend when Harry kewell saved them happy and gutted when they were relegated and now is arms length to the crap that follows Leeds - he was a season holder and went home and away for 25 years. Out shitness could know no bounds unless people turn up and believe - Lerner is the master of doom - well done that man.
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First of all i'm very drunk
I'd just like to say how proud I am, regardless of how much the tickets were subsidised, of the Villa fans, the same faces that I know rocking up on a week day, while the game is on TV, and getting behind the team as they did tonight.
The London Lions had a cracking turn out tonight and I'm really looking forward to next year, where ever we'll be playing, I met some top Villa lads from Leicester on the tube who deserve a big hug and with whom we had great fun with on the tube in to Upton Park.
My mate had a corporate ticket and and was complimented throughout the game on our support tonight and it was mentioned how they wish their support was so vocal. I walked through West Ham station with a West Ham fan who was genuinely disappointed with us going down.
The more shit we are the more I love them, I've just rolled out of 5 guys slaughtered having met the best group of people I could ever choose to meet, sometimes the shitter we are the more I love em'
I personally can't wait for next year, it may not last if we get stuck there but I'm going to have a lot more fun.
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We didn't deserve to lose if we had ayew on the pitch but he deserved to get sent off. Idiot cost us the game and the next 3 potentially - but he did, and we do. This is completely it - we're a mile better than we were under sherwoods completely clueless tactics but we need another season to teach our so called professionals how to position themselves and be fit - frightening times.
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The great thing about Aston Villa is the massive family that it is. As with all family's there are disputes and disagreements and even unwanted people
marrying into the family-Lerner,Fox and Hollis. At some stage they'll be divorced but we'll still be family.I must be a glutton for punishment as I'm looking forward to the Norwich game and hopefully a massive turnout to get behind Remi and the team.....we're only ten points from safety and if the team play how we've played in the last four league games we're at least having a crack at it .
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1 win in 13 and no attempt to get back in the game after we went behind. And still the mugs and sheep defend this utterly clueless manager. Yes the board are a joke, but I hope to god he's gone by the morning. I hate the guy. Worst manager we've ever had.
Are you ok,mentally?
Hate Garde? Worst manager ever? Did you start supporting the club in November?
Of course,we are all entitled to our opinions, but I think you need to have a glass of water and a long lie down in a dark room.
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Love it kingthing!
I can't help but think with how things were looking in the first 15 minutes, Well on top, game against Norwich on Saturday, thinking we could be 4 points from safety come Saturday night.
And then Ayew is a fast and it's all change. But seeing how close we could still have been, makes the transfer window even more frustrating.
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1 win in 13 and no attempt to get back in the game after we went behind. And still the mugs and sheep defend this utterly clueless manager. Yes the board are a joke, but I hope to god he's gone by the morning. I hate the guy. Worst manager we've ever had.
Haha - by God LTA, you really ought hit the stand up circuit, you'd make an absolute killing!!
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Rubbish, standard defeat and hard luck stories. I could bemoan the lack of attacking threat but we already know that. Ayew, idiot, lost his temper tonight, we were warned before hand of it. He still has a way to go before paying back his transfer fee, no one will be coming in the summer with offers for him that would make a profit I'm afraid. The bench was very poor, so there wasn't really much Garde could do once we went the inevitable goal down. The seasons over anyway, we gave up the end of December.
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Thing is, judging Remi is a bit like judging Steven Avery - he just hasn't has a fair hearing yet.
Or perhaps it's more like Brendan Dassey, given that the people who are meant to be on his side have fucking stitched him right up.
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Thing is, judging Remi is a bit like judging Steven Avery - he just hasn't has a fair hearing yet.
Or perhaps it's more like Brendan Dassey, given that the people who are meant to be on his side have fucking stitched him right up.
I swear I didn't see this before I added to the photo thread.
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Home about an hour ago and just finished reading the thread...
Live, I thought it was a penalty...a few around me with wizzy phones said it was nailed on.
Thought we were well in control of the game at this point and only one team likely to score.
Didn't see the Ayew thing clearly but phone people said it was a clear sending off. (But Cresswell pinched his neck? Will retrospective action be taken?)
We were then struggling!
Pointed out to all those around me that WHam employed cynical tactics, cutting down our players at the first hint of us breaking away. At the SEVENTH cynical foul, a WHam player was booked. Shit reffing, sorry, it just is!
Mate watching at home thought taking Gil off was a mistake and agreed with my assessment of Richardson: shite!
I hate the Lerner/die chants: we're better than that.
Haven't seen any of the Remi interview stuff but can't see him having a better night's sleep than most of us tonight.
I hope he stays.
UTV!
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Thought we played with nine men tonight and the worrying thought is Bacuna will be still here next season playing every game.
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Did not stop up for the game out here but it seems a similar story. The only luck we have is bad luck and some of that we bring on ourselves.
Randy just may have really been more stupid this season than what we thought he could be, if that's possible by not taking a gamble on stopping up.
Watching CNN World sport tonight and a guy on there was a correspondent for some paper on all things Chinese football, mentioning their investment in Man City, Espanol and some others, but went onto state that their are four seriously rich investors looking to buy a Premier league team for next season and he stated they will be serious players who ever they buy, the instruction to purchase a club has come down from the top of the party as they see this as the next step in their own country's football development.Shame we wont be in with a chance as we wont be a Premier league team next year, thanks Randy thanks alot.
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If Garde walked, would you:
A) Blame him?
B) Blame the 'board' for accepting?
C) Care?
No for all three for me.
I'd care a lot.
Really? I'm past caring. I feel nothing about tonight. If he went he went. If he didn't he didn't.I'm just past caring now.
this
whilst i have sympathy for garde what is it now 1 win in 13 league games? hardly making an impact is he
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The impact Remi Garde has had and which will evaporate if this insane board allow him to leave is that we are now playing as well as any of the teams at the lower end of the table. Under Lambert and Sherwood we were the worst team in the Premiership by a mile.
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i may be being really thick but was is this impact that garde is having?
its not winning games is it
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We are playing possession football, without playing to the strengths of our all be it weak front line. Apart from possession stats I fail to see what he has improved.
Not bothered if he stays or goes
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Ayew, what a bellend.
Could've been a different result. Has he not had a player behind him giving him little digs loads and loads of times this season? He didn't do anything then. What a dickhead.
If I was one of our players I would've elbowed him in the face at halftime/full time.
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You see what you see. I will see what I see. Just don't expect me to be as supportive of Warnock, KMac, Monk, Pearson, Agbonlahor player manager or whatever cheapskate replacement this board replaces him with.
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football is about winning
we are not winning, we may have possesion stats, pass completion, whatever, but if you dont score all the tippy tappy football in areas that dont hurt the opposition is pointless
chuck a couple of academy kids in, just do something that isnt bringing richardson on
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football is about winning
we are not winning, we may have possesion stats, pass completion, whatever, but if you dont score all the tippy tappy football in areas that dont hurt the opposition is pointless
chuck a couple of academy kids in, just do something that isnt bringing richardson on
They showed a stat on BT Sports last night about pass completion. W.Ham had around 450. We had 177.
Admittedly, it was 11 v 10, but we are miles behind the decent teams.
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You do not win unless you play better. Winning games is not like throwing a switch. Remi Garde does not have a magic wand he can tap on the head of Westwood and turn him into Delph. You have to stop getting worse before you can start to get better.
What I see tells me that Remi Garde has arrested the free fall and I give him credit for that. You see something different and don't care if he goes. It's all about opinions.
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Put lipstick on a pig and it's still a pig. We've lost our lipstick down the side of the sofa.
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Just to be clear Frank, is the pig Remi Garde or the Villa team?
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Mark Noble man of the match.
Insult considering he should have been sent off almost twice. Dirty bastard.
What a farce, nasty devious dirty bugger
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First of all i'm very drunk
I'm shocked! ;-)
Best post of the night Si
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99% of our support think Garde has not been treated fairly since his arrival at Villa Park.That does not look like changing.He has more or less said he will go at the end of the season and is starting to look older and strained by the day rather like Sherwood did.No manager stands any kind of chance with an owner like Lerner so he might as well resign now and keep his sanity.Remi Garde will be a very good manager with the right club.That club is not Aston Villa.
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You do not win unless you play better. Winning games is not like throwing a switch. Remi Garde does not have a magic wand he can tap on the head of Westwood and turn him into Delph. You have to stop getting worse before you can start to get better.
What I see tells me that Remi Garde has arrested the free fall and I give him credit for that. You see something different and don't care if he goes. It's all about opinions.
Quite right Brian, Garde has stopped the rot even if it is with a dab of putty, but when the putty breaks down, the rot's still there and with this board, it looks like it'll remain so but a division lower.
I presume Ayew was provoked last night, or he has just lost heart with the club's lack of bringing anyone in during the window and he's had enough.
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I fear you are right Ron but I will follow his future career with great interest. I am sure he will become a top manager. Lerner and the rubbish he has used to run the club and the players has made us McClaren fodder.
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Just to be clear Frank, is the pig Remi Garde or the Villa team?
I hope it's the team rather than Remi. Shame he didn't get to add his own players, I don't think we will get to judge him fairly.
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Firstly, Ayew what a bellend. Provoked or not there is no excuse for that, he cost us any chance we had in the game. Similarly his impending suspension has probably put the final nail in the coffin on the season.We were doing ok until then, were on the front foot and were on top. Afterwards they defended well but it is a massive ask to play three quarters of a game with ten men.
Sacking Garde wold be madness I just after hope he doesn't take matters into his own hands. I dread to think who they would see as a suitable replacement. The people who should be scanning the situations vacant column are those dealing with transfers after they failed so miserably in January.
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I don't think Ayew is that clever Boz. He was suckered by Cresswell pinching him in the back of the neck to goad him and he fell for it. Echoes of Mason and Terry suckering Benteke into a red card reaction. They are professionals they should know why it is being done.
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Mark Noble man of the match.
Insult considering he should have been sent off almost twice. Dirty bastard.
It was easy for him, but oh for a central midfielder with his drive. I hope Veretout was watching how Noble played last night, as thats exactly what we bought him to do.
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99% of our support think Garde has not been treated fairly since his arrival at Villa Park.That does not look like changing.He has more or less said he will go at the end of the season and is starting to look older and strained by the day rather like Sherwood did.No manager stands any kind of chance with an owner like Lerner so he might as well resign now and keep his sanity.Remi Garde will be a very good manager with the right club.That club is not Aston Villa.
Where did he say he'd go?
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First of all i'm very drunk
I'd just like to say how proud I am, regardless of how much the tickets were subsidised, of the Villa fans, the same faces that I know rocking up on a week day, while the game is on TV, and getting behind the team as they did tonight.
The London Lions had a cracking turn out tonight and I'm really looking forward to next year, where ever we'll be playing, I met some top Villa lads from Leicester on the tube who deserve a big hug and with whom we had great fun with on the tube in to Upton Park.
My mate had a corporate ticket and and was complimented throughout the game on our support tonight and it was mentioned how they wish their support was so vocal. I walked through West Ham station with a West Ham fan who was genuinely disappointed with us going down.
The more shit we are the more I love them, I've just rolled out of 5 guys slaughtered having met the best group of people I could ever choose to meet, sometimes the shitter we are the more I love em'
I personally can't wait for next year, it may not last if we get stuck there but I'm going to have a lot more fun.
It was a good evening, apart from the actual match. I got talking to a few West Ham fans on the tube home and they were genuinely sad to see the state we're in and wished us all the best. I have to say though that I'm beginning to worry about Garde. I don't know whether the shit we're in is holding him back or covering up the fact that he's not actually any good.
Great turnout, a few choice songs about Lerner which didn't help. The club don't deserve the support that turns up every week, only to have their loyalty chucked back at them
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Firstly, Ayew what a bellend. Provoked or not there is no excuse for that, he cost us any chance we had in the game. Similarly his impending suspension has probably put the final nail in the coffin on the season.We were doing ok until then, were on the front foot and were on top. Afterwards they defended well but it is a massive ask to play three quarters of a game with ten men.
Sacking Garde wold be madness I just after hope he doesn't take matters into his own hands. I dread to think who they would see as a suitable replacement. The people who should be scanning the situations vacant column are those dealing with transfers after they failed so miserably in January.
I haven't read most of this thread, but who on earth is advocating sacking Garde?! He is the one positive of this season at the moment. People need to look beyond the 1 win in 13 games or whatever it is, because we have an absolutely awful squad and the fact we're actually competing in games is quite impressive. We actually look like an organised unit now and that is no mean feat. Garde staying is absolutely critical to our future, and I hope the fucking idiots in charge of our club realise this and give him assurances of backing in the summer.
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Firstly, Ayew what a bellend. Provoked or not there is no excuse for that, he cost us any chance we had in the game. Similarly his impending suspension has probably put the final nail in the coffin on the season.We were doing ok until then, were on the front foot and were on top. Afterwards they defended well but it is a massive ask to play three quarters of a game with ten men.
Sacking Garde wold be madness I just after hope he doesn't take matters into his own hands. I dread to think who they would see as a suitable replacement. The people who should be scanning the situations vacant column are those dealing with transfers after they failed so miserably in January.
I haven't read most of this thread, but who on earth is advocating sacking Garde?! He is the one positive of this season at the moment. People need to look beyond the 1 win in 13 games or whatever it is, because we have an absolutely awful squad and the fact we're actually competing in games is quite impressive. We actually look like an organised unit now and that is no mean feat. Garde staying is absolutely critical to our future, and I hope the fucking idiots in charge of our club realise this and give him assurances of backing in the summer.
Agreed (again) we have to look further forward than the rest of this abomination of a season and plan a lon term future with Garde at the helm, just a couple of signings would have us competing on equal terms with most teams we've played recently.
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Phil, I think the give away was when he said he would be here in May. He is very intelligent and open, totally unlike anybody else at the club recent past or present. He was telling us that he would see this season out. Because, if the board are so hell bent on money saving and downsizing they could not strengthen Remi's hand by even one player in January they will be the same if not worse in the summer and Remi Garde will go. In his place will be put some McLeish/Lambert clone who will do as he is told and not make demands for money.
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Depressing isn't the word is it? It's like being kicked in the knackers repeatedly. After starting so well, for her best player to randomly forearm smash his marker in the face is bordering on mental. I am sure he does indeed feel like crap today but so he should. He isn't Benteke, he's scored five goals including one penalty and what he did last night was one of the most brain dead acts I have seen in a long time.
It's impossible to judge the rest of the game although Lescott and Okore deserve a lot of praise again. Over the last month, Lescott has been as good as anything we have had in that position for years. You can see his experience, he looks unhurried, uses the ball well and never has to dive in. Fair play to him for turning his form around, albeit a little late.
We sat far too deep after going down to ten men. I agreed that we needed two banks of four, but Gabby needed to sit on Collins and Reid to at least give them something to think about. Fair play to Gabby, he looked decent early on and we looked like we were playing 10 yards further up the pitch thanks to his presence. A lot of criticism has come his way - most of it fair - but our best 45 minutes of attacking football came in one of only two games (to my memory) where he started up front - against Leicester. He hasn't played up front much in recent years because he is half the player Benteke he is, but the lone striker role was always his best. We should probably stick with him.
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football is about winning
we are not winning, we may have possesion stats, pass completion, whatever, but if you dont score all the tippy tappy football in areas that dont hurt the opposition is pointless
chuck a couple of academy kids in, just do something that isnt bringing richardson on
They showed a stat on BT Sports last night about pass completion. W.Ham had around 450. We had 177.
Admittedly, it was 11 v 10, but we are miles behind the decent teams.
I wouldn't read too much into those pass statistics.
While watching the Leicester game, I was struck by a statistic that appeared on the screen after about 40 minutes, which stated that we had already passed the ball ~80 times more than Leicester up to that point. Subsequently, interested in whether this was because Garde in particular had us playing the ball around more, I looked at the statistics for all of our matches this season. They were quite surprising:
[Sherwood]
BO (A) 1-0 (AV: Comp. 305; Tot. 378; 81%) (Opp.: Comp. 462; Tot. 545; 85%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. -157; Tot. -167)
MU (H) 0-1 (AV: Comp. 350; Tot. 434; 81%) (Opp.: Comp. 455; Tot. 530; 86%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. -105; Tot. -96)
CP (A) 1-2 (AV: Comp. 276; Tot. 349; 79%) (Opp.: Comp. 278; Tot. 346; 80%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. -2; Tot. 3)
SU (H) 2-2 (AV: Comp. 437; Tot. 518; 84%) (Opp.: Comp. 234; Tot. 317; 74%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. 203; Tot. 201)
LC (A) 2-3 (AV: Comp. 304; Tot. 402; 76%) (Opp.: Comp. 295; Tot. 383; 77%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. 9; Tot. 19)
WB (H) 0-1 (AV: Comp. 343; Tot. 443; 77%) (Opp.: Comp. 219; Tot. 294; 74%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. 124; Tot. 149)
LI (A) 2-3 (AV: Comp. 267; Tot. 332; 89%) (Opp.: Comp. 498; Tot. 562; 89%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. -231; Tot. -230)
ST (H) 0-1 (AV: Comp. 398; Tot. 476; 84%) (Opp.: Comp. 296; Tot. 373; 79%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. 102; Tot. 103)
CH (A) 0-2 (AV: Comp. 327; Tot. 418; 78%) (Opp.: Comp. 304; Tot. 406; 75%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. 23; Tot. 12)
SW (H) 1-2 (AV: Comp. 269; Tot. 367; 73%) (Opp.: Comp. 313; Tot. 408; 77%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. -44; Tot. -41)
[/Sherwood][MacDonald]
TH (A) 1-3 (AV: Comp. 217; Tot. 317; 68%) (Opp.: Comp. 428; Tot. 523; 82%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. -211; Tot. -206)
[/MacDonald][Garde]
MC (H) 0-0 (AV: Comp. 318; Tot. 398; 80%) (Opp.: Comp. 488; Tot. 573; 85%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. -170; Tot. -175)
EV (A) 0-4 (AV: Comp. 333; Tot. 395; 84%) (Opp.: Comp. 530; Tot. 603; 88%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. -197; Tot. -208)
WA (H) 2-3 (AV: Comp. 400; Tot. 490; 82%) (Opp.: Comp. 157; Tot. 256; 61%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. 243; Tot. 234)
SO (A) 1-1 (AV: Comp. 434; Tot. 535; 81%) (Opp.: Comp. 231; Tot. 319; 72%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. 203; Tot. 216)
AR (H) 0-2 (AV: Comp. 355; Tot. 419; 85%) (Opp.: Comp. 428; Tot. 507; 84%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. -73; Tot. -88)
NU (A) 1-1 (AV: Comp. 303; Tot. 403; 75%) (Opp.: Comp. 246; Tot. 364; 68%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. 57; Tot. 39)
WH (H) 1-1 (AV: Comp. 349; Tot. 423; 83%) (Opp.: Comp. 216; Tot. 299; 72%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. 133; Tot. 124)
NC (A) 0-2 (AV: Comp. 293; Tot. 377; 78%) (Opp.: Comp. 247; Tot. 353; 70%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. 46; Tot. 24)
SU (A) 1-3 (AV: Comp. 367; Tot. 464; 79%) (Opp.: Comp. 278; Tot. 375; 74%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. 89; Tot. 89)
CP (H) 1-0 (AV: Comp. 339; Tot. 427; 79%) (Opp.: Comp. 312; Tot. 422; 74%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. 27; Tot. 5)
LC (H) 1-1 (AV: Comp. 380; Tot. 489; 78%) (Opp.: Comp. 280; Tot. 391; 72%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. 100; Tot. 98)
WB (A) 0-0 (AV: Comp. 348; Tot. 438; 79%) (Opp.: Comp. 182; Tot. 270; 67%) (AV-Opp. Diff.: Comp. 166; Tot. 168)
In the league, up to and including the West Brom game, and following Garde's first two games in charge, only the Arsenal have passed the ball around more than we have when playing against us. We passed some teams off the park, look at Watford for example, where we had 243 more completed passes than they did. Problem is, we still lost!
If they prove anything, these statistics suggest, at least to me, that we can actually knock the ball around quite nicely at times, but we took far too long to find some kind of defensive solidity and we are clearly lacking any kind of a cutting edge up front. They also show how Leicester aren't doing anything special, just playing the percentage balls into the channels and using their pace up front. It's working for them though!
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fbriai you can have all the possession in the world but if you have no cutting edge, it really does not matter, also what those stats do not show is where that possession is taking place. Teams are quite happy to allow us plenty of time on the ball, as they know we have neither the movement or the guile to get either through them or behind them.
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I think those stats are also the reason that Remi has so often spoken about 'efficiency'. Watford were very efficient at Villa Park, four chances and three goals. We have to an extent sorted our efficiency issues in our own box by cutting out the huge number of silly mistakes, but creatively we are blunt and when we do get chances, we miss them. A striker and winger could have made all the difference.
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fbriai you can have all the possession in the world but if you have no cutting edge, it really does not matter, also what those stats do not show is where that possession is taking place. Teams are quite happy to allow us plenty of time on the ball, as they know we have neither the movement or the guile to get either through them or behind them.
Completely agree, PB. As much as anything, my point was that we shouldn't read too much into our poor pass statistics last night. As I said, we hugely out-passed Watford and still lost, while Leicester are clearly far more efficient than we are. In fact, we have out-passed the opposition in 75% of our matches under Garde, but have only won one of them.
Your point about where we have possession is clearly valid. It's no good having the ball in the middle of the park if you don't do anything with it.
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Nadir. No transfers in, more bad luck with non-decisions, stupid self-destructive sending off, only attacking threat suspended for three games, and pretty much guaranteed relegation. Seriously deflating.
Garde's positivity post-match impressed me. Also pleased they fought on. But one single break in our favour would be nice.
Kind of wish the season was over and we could start preparing for the Championship. This purgatory is not fun. It could be eased by playing youngsters. I suppose he'll do that when he gives up.
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Unfortunately it is all too easy to work out the manner of Remi's betrayal. When he came he was promised adequate funds. He would not have come without that assurance. The board would not have invited him to come without that assurance. Enter Steve Hollis, as Ads describes him perfectly our de facto administrator, and "adequate" funding to bring in the players Remi Garde wants becomes "within our projected budget parameters"
Yep, it sounds to me like yourself & Ads are bang on. Garde stitched-up by a bunch of self-serving scumbags undertaking their master's bidding. Frankly, I'm amazed Remi hasn't walked yet - but shirley it's just a matter of time. Happy fecking days.
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I was sitting with the enemy last night, right in front of where the fore arm smash took place,
although I didn't see it I knew something had gone on as a whole load of WH fans went running down the isle in a rage
I knew then it was all over for the night, we cant score with 11 men let alone 10
the only positive for me was that the team did show some spirit, the back four looked as good as at any time this season, but sadly with a man down it was backs to the wall for 70 minutes and the inevitable goals eventually came
the biggest frustration when watching Villa is you just know we arnt going to score, it was the same on Saturday, bloody useless up front with nill attacking penetration
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But we will be ok John e as Hollis and Fox do not think we need anymore forwards and their the footballing brains down at Villa Park that Lerner listens to.
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I'll start by saying I didn't rate Tim and wasn't sad to see him go ..however to me the board oversaw the mass recruitment in summer with some input from Tim but mainly based on stats and potential of players ( to add Greg Evans in the mail commentated that Payet from Spam would not have been on our rader as he was too old at 28) .
Tim couldn't mold the players into a team and created a poor atmosphere so was binned.They saw Remi as a good option , he would know the french players and had experience working within a budget. Unfortuantly the poor start with eroded squad confidence, lose of Amavi and fundamentaly just a not good enough squad was too much for him to turn round.So they took the decision to not spend more money after bad and spin the wheel of getting back promoted.
In this plan they miss that in doing this they have hung Remi out to dry , have left the players in no doubt the board has no confidence in them and lost any remaining good will with the fans.They have sentenced the club to a long 15 games ( 14 after tonight of slow death in the public glare) and left Remi to front up to the media to explain the clubs decision to give up.
The team until Ayews moment of madness where on top , I think Gabbys movement was looking effective with Ayew and we had some nice passing but it all went out the window with the red card.The rest of the game was a 73 min preview of the rest of the season the team struggling against and inevetiable result ,trying hard but lacking the quality.
Excellent analysis, in my opinion.
Agree, right on. And anyone with a bit of nous, dealing with the issue on the merits, could have worked that out.
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Firstly, Ayew what a bellend. Provoked or not there is no excuse for that, he cost us any chance we had in the game. Similarly his impending suspension has probably put the final nail in the coffin on the season.We were doing ok until then, were on the front foot and were on top. Afterwards they defended well but it is a massive ask to play three quarters of a game with ten men.
Sacking Garde wold be madness I just after hope he doesn't take matters into his own hands. I dread to think who they would see as a suitable replacement. The people who should be scanning the situations vacant column are those dealing with transfers after they failed so miserably in January.
I haven't read most of this thread, but who on earth is advocating sacking Garde?! He is the one positive of this season at the moment. People need to look beyond the 1 win in 13 games or whatever it is, because we have an absolutely awful squad and the fact we're actually competing in games is quite impressive. We actually look like an organised unit now and that is no mean feat. Garde staying is absolutely critical to our future, and I hope the fucking idiots in charge of our club realise this and give him assurances of backing in the summer.
Garde has been mugged off no question
As far as the organised unit bit goes I don't understand
Pre Garde:
Played 11, won 1, drawn 1 lost 9, For 11 against 20 GD-9
With Garde
Played 13, won 1, drawn 6 lost 6, for 9 against 21 GD-12
Turned a few defeats into draws, hasn't won any more games and we still can't score
D minus
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Firstly, Ayew what a bellend. Provoked or not there is no excuse for that, he cost us any chance we had in the game. Similarly his impending suspension has probably put the final nail in the coffin on the season.We were doing ok until then, were on the front foot and were on top. Afterwards they defended well but it is a massive ask to play three quarters of a game with ten men.
Sacking Garde wold be madness I just after hope he doesn't take matters into his own hands. I dread to think who they would see as a suitable replacement. The people who should be scanning the situations vacant column are those dealing with transfers after they failed so miserably in January.
I haven't read most of this thread, but who on earth is advocating sacking Garde?! He is the one positive of this season at the moment. People need to look beyond the 1 win in 13 games or whatever it is, because we have an absolutely awful squad and the fact we're actually competing in games is quite impressive. We actually look like an organised unit now and that is no mean feat. Garde staying is absolutely critical to our future, and I hope the fucking idiots in charge of our club realise this and give him assurances of backing in the summer.
Garde has been mugged off no question
As far as the organised unit bit goes I don't understand
Pre Garde:
Played 11, won 1, drawn 1 lost 9, For 11 against 20 GD-9
With Garde
Played 13, won 1, drawn 6 lost 6, for 9 against 21 GD-12
Turned a few defeats into draws, hasn't won any more games and we still can't score
D minus
Organising them was part 1 of the recovery because make no mistake, we were a shambles before he came in. No consistency of playing style, formation or personnel and a defence made from porcelain. He had to concentrate on sorting that out first and he did - hence why we turned losses to draws. He plugged the leaks, so we stop conceding with such regularity.
The next stage is to increase the threat going forward. That's what would turn the draws to wins, but he clearly needs new personnel to do that. By turning the losses to draws I think he had earned the right to bring in a couple of players who might just turn the draws into victories, but our new Chairman clearly didn't agree.
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That's the most frustrating thing about this season. Apart from Everton away, we haven't been absolutely hammered in the league. With just a couple more decent players we could easily, as you say, have turned a few of those defeats into draws and draws into wins.
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There's a reason we can't score and it has nothing to do with the manager it's to do with the meat heads that relied on a player who had half a decent season in a Championship side.
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That's the most frustrating thing about this season. Apart from Everton away, we haven't been absolutely hammered in the league. With just a couple more decent players we could easily, as you say, have turned a few of those defeats into draws and draws into wins.
And if we hadn't sold Benteke, and if Gestede had been any good, and if Bacuna wasn't so shit etc, etc. We could go on all day with ifs and buts.
The sad fact is we have been in decline for years, circling the plug hole.
We have now been sucked down, and the 'leadership' of the club is completely to blame.
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We're not going to win another game this season are we?
It would be beneficial to all if we just resign from the league.
Week in / week out we have to put up with turgid performances, ill discipline.
When's it going to end ?
I would honestly take the relegation now if it meant no more. No Más.
What's the football equivalent of chucking in the towel? Starting with Gabby?
January 2016.
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That's the most frustrating thing about this season. Apart from Everton away, we haven't been absolutely hammered in the league. With just a couple more decent players we could easily, as you say, have turned a few of those defeats into draws and draws into wins.
And if we hadn't sold Benteke, and if Gestede had been any good, and if Bacuna wasn't so shit etc, etc. We could go on all day with ifs and buts.
The sad fact is we have been in decline for years, circling the plug hole.
We have now been sucked down, and the 'leadership' of the club is completely to blame.
True, Andy.
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First of all i'm very drunk
I'd just like to say how proud I am, regardless of how much the tickets were subsidised, of the Villa fans, the same faces that I know rocking up on a week day, while the game is on TV, and getting behind the team as they did tonight.
The London Lions had a cracking turn out tonight and I'm really looking forward to next year, where ever we'll be playing, I met some top Villa lads from Leicester on the tube who deserve a big hug and with whom we had great fun with on the tube in to Upton Park.
My mate had a corporate ticket and and was complimented throughout the game on our support tonight and it was mentioned how they wish their support was so vocal. I walked through West Ham station with a West Ham fan who was genuinely disappointed with us going down.
The more shit we are the more I love them, I've just rolled out of 5 guys slaughtered having met the best group of people I could ever choose to meet, sometimes the shitter we are the more I love em'
I personally can't wait for next year, it may not last if we get stuck there but I'm going to have a lot more fun.
Great post.
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Thought Sinclair did more in the 10 minutes he was on, than Gabby did all match. At least he did have a run at the West Ham defence. Without doubt Sinclair has been useless this season, but he did show at the end of last season he has got ability and can be a goal threat. I believe there is a decent footballer somewhere there , needs a top coach/manager to get the best out of him.
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fbriai you can have all the possession in the world but if you have no cutting edge, it really does not matter, also what those stats do not show is where that possession is taking place. Teams are quite happy to allow us plenty of time on the ball, as they know we have neither the movement or the guile to get either through them or behind them.
Completely agree, PB. As much as anything, my point was that we shouldn't read too much into our poor pass statistics last night. As I said, we hugely out-passed Watford and still lost, while Leicester are clearly far more efficient than we are. In fact, we have out-passed the opposition in 75% of our matches under Garde, but have only won one of them.
Your point about where we have possession is clearly valid. It's no good having the ball in the middle of the park if you don't do anything with it.
This is where possession stats fall down, they should show a break down of at least which half of the pitch the possession was. Most of Villa's is in their own half.
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First off I'd like to say hats off to the 1800 away fans who made the trek down the M1 on a cold Tuesday night to watch that match. It must be soul destroying to sacrifice so much time and money to be let down in such a way week after week.
Up until the red card, Villa were looking reasonably decent. Pressing the opposition, pushing up the pitch, and threatening to create some chances, if they didn't quite look that much like scoring. Then a moment of madness from Ayew scuppers any chance Villa had taking a point from that game, by elevating what was essentially some girlish jostling for position from a throw with a forearm smash to the face. If I was Remi Garde I'd make him apologise directly to the fans that went to the game, or I'd fine him 2 weeks wages and stick him in the stiffs for the rest of the season.
After that it was hard to gauge the game as footballing spectacle of 2 teams both trying to win, as it wasn't. Villa defended manfully and looked well organised for the most part, which I suppose is a positive. I actually thought Micah Richards played very well and did a job on Payet, who suffered from lack of space (and trying too hard to showboat). Carles Gil also looked lively enough until the red card negated him playing an attacking role.
I was shocked to see how fat and slow Agbonlahor had become. Has he bought shares in KFC or something? Acuna also struck me as one of those footballers stealing a living. Is he always that bad? It's also hard to imagine that Kieron Richardson was once a highly rated youngster at Man Utd. Similar with Scott Sinclair.
The goals were inevitable. Antonio managed to lose his midfield marker when West Ham stole back possession as Villa looked to break, and West Ham were always likely to score on the counter from a Villa set piece given the man advantage and their advantage in midfield pace.
The referee on the night was inconsistent and poor, but I honestly think he called the "incidents" for West Ham correct.
The Antonio handball was never a penalty. I don't know who first came up with this "his hand was in an unnatural position" rubbish, but it worries me that professional referees such as Howard Webb still quote this despite the laws of the game stating that it is only a direct free kick worthy infringement if it is deliberate, which in the case of Antonio it clearly wasn't.
As to Noble, Robbie Savage seemed to be working himself into a lather ranting on about how Noble deserved a yellow card for almost every challenge - the irony obviously lost on him - in between telling us how he was in the Derby team that went down with 11 points, and bemoaning that Noble isn't in the England squad. Realistically, the late slide was worthy of a yellow. The tug back was a foul and nothing more, and the slide in later on was a genuine attempt for the ball in a 50/50 (all from memory). It would've been a very harsh ref indeed that'd seen him sent off in that match.
Nonetheless I'm happy enough with a comfortable 2-0 win, even if it did need Bilic to point out to the players at half time that they had a man extra, and the full backs should be creating width and attacking, rather than sitting deep and cutting inside as they were first half.
The most infuriating part of the match for me was after West Ham went 2-0 up and just wound down the clock keeping the ball, rather than trying to score again. A 3-0 win would've seen me Ł350 richer.
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I know Sendo is not having a crack (ish) but it comes to something when West Ham look at you as an easy three points.
No other club of our size has chickened out of the league to this extent, effectively down in February.
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I know Sendo is not having a crack (ish) but it comes to something when West Ham look at you as an easy three points.
No other club of our size has chickened out of the league to this extent, effectively down in February.
You've got a point. Can anyone ever remember a club as big as Villa giving up their Premier League (or even further back) status so early into a season in such a cowardly way? It's scandalous.
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I know Sendo is not having a crack (ish) but it comes to something when West Ham look at you as an easy three points.
No other club of our size has chickened out of the league to this extent, effectively down in February.
You've got a point. Can anyone ever remember a club as big as Villa giving up their Premier League (or even further back) status so early into a season in such a cowardly way? It's scandalous.
Leeds come to mind in 2004. Sheffield Weds in 2000. have to have a look how many points they both had at same stage.
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Leeds had 17 points after 24 games. Four wins.
Weds had 17 points too. Four wins.
My god we've been shit.
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One of the few times we've looked remotely threatening this season was Leicester second half. We don't have any pace, we don't have anyone who can unlock defences, we don't have midfielders making late runs in to the box, we don't counter attack. All this sideways passing in midfield is completely pointless. No wonder we have good possession stats. I'd let Gil and Veretout have the ball all day long, they don't know what to do with it and there's nothing in front of them.
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Leeds were at the lower end of the table for most of that season, but I think they could still mathematically stay up going into their final game.
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The Antonio handball was never a penalty. I don't know who first came up with this "his hand was in an unnatural position" rubbish, but it worries me that professional referees such as Howard Webb still quote this despite the laws of the game stating that it is only a direct free kick worthy infringement if it is deliberate, which in the case of Antonio it clearly wasn't.
That's not how the law is being interpreted though.
If the consensus is that it's only an infringement because a player is making a conscious decision of "rather than the kick or head the ball I'm going to handle it" then no, it wasn't a penalty but then nor is pretty much anything that is given for deliberate handball.
If the interpretation is that 'deliberate' means any movement which means that you've chosen to leave your arm in a position that gives you an advantage (say, a full-back spreads his arms wide so that a winger finds it harder to run around him) then it was. i.e deliberate is referring to the movement of the arm, rather than the intention to handle.
Whichever interpretation they want to use is fine by me, as long as it's consistent - but if we're going to concede a penalty because Mahrez thumps the ball at Cissokho's hand from two yards when he's on the ground, facing the other way (see photo), then Antonio's is also a penalty. We then take a 1-0 lead (edit - probably) and almost certainly don't go down to ten men.
(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/0465/production/_87752110_villa_leicester_pen_reuters.jpg)
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Leeds were at the lower end of the table for most of that season, but I think they could still mathematically stay up going into their final game.
They were gone after 37, 5 points from safety. After 36 games they could stay up on GD, but needed a 36 goal swing from the last 2 games.
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Whichever interpretation they want to use is fine by me, as long as it's consistent - but if we're going to concede a penalty because Mahrez thumps the ball at Cissokho's hand from two yards when he's on the ground, facing the other way (see photo), then Antonio's is also a penalty.
I'd say neither were penalties, and in reality two wrongs don't make a right. I don't understand why referees find it so hard to read and understand the laws of the game. They're actually very clear and simple.
The worst one was Spurs winning a penalty late on in the cup vs Leicester after it hit the back of Nathan Dyers heel and struck his hand as he spun around.
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The simple answer is that the refs are biased.
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It was always going to be a difficult match with 11 on the pitch but with 10, thanks to Ayew it became an impossibility.
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I heard somebody last night on either TV or radio saying how important it is to keep Flabby fit, I don't think they've seen him in the last 3 years. He was crap again last night.
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Didn't expect anything from this one, but think we may well have got a creditable 0-0 had it remained 11 v 11. The blow of missing Ayew for the next 3 games is probably bigger than not having had him for 73 mins of this one.
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One of the few times we've looked remotely threatening this season was Leicester second half. We don't have any pace, we don't have anyone who can unlock defences, we don't have midfielders making late runs in to the box, we don't counter attack. All this sideways passing in midfield is completely pointless. No wonder we have good possession stats. I'd let Gil and Veretout have the ball all day long, they don't know what to do with it and there's nothing in front of them.
We dont have a lot of anything really!
Pace is such a big factor, when I played at the heady heights of division 4 of the wolverhampton sunday league the one thing that everyone feared was pace and the ability to get in behind you.
Take something as simple as a corner. Even at the shit level I played at we had 4 different corner set plays, just so we could mix it up a bit.
It took us 3 seasons to work out that westwoods corners were shit. My sunday league manager would have picked that up after 1 game and done something about it.
Now we are down I would respect Garde more if he bought a couple of the kids just to see how they react as this is what we are going to be relying on next seasons and fucked off some of the wasters.
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One of the few times we've looked remotely threatening this season was Leicester second half. We don't have any pace, we don't have anyone who can unlock defences, we don't have midfielders making late runs in to the box, we don't counter attack. All this sideways passing in midfield is completely pointless. No wonder we have good possession stats. I'd let Gil and Veretout have the ball all day long, they don't know what to do with it and there's nothing in front of them.
We dont have a lot of anything really!
Pace is such a big factor, when I played at the heady heights of division 4 of the wolverhampton sunday league the one thing that everyone feared was pace and the ability to get in behind you.
Take something as simple as a corner. Even at the shit level I played at we had 4 different corner set plays, just so we could mix it up a bit.
It took us 3 seasons to work out that westwoods corners were shit. My sunday league manager would have picked that up after 1 game and done something about it.
Now we are down I would respect Garde more if he bought a couple of the kids just to see how they react as this is what we are going to be relying on next seasons and fucked off some of the wasters.
I do kind of agree with your last point (I didn't earlier in the season and especially now when we could be potentially 3 strikers down) but would Saturday be the right game for it? The atmosphere is going to be a bit feisty, especially if we're losing.
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I said to my west ham supporting mate before the match that we only had one player and that was Jordan Ayew, he said to me after 17 mins 'is that the one player you got walking down the tunnel'
we started well last night to well, so the players must have thought we must do something about this else we could go on and get result here, so Ayew gets himself sent off so we can all go about doing what we do best, shooting ourselves in the foot game after game
in fairness they do spread the cock ups around Ayew, Guzan, Gana, Amavi, Sanchez, any of the back four, its a proper team effort
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It's always nice to hear from Sendo, I do like opposing fans who you can have an intelligent chat with, without any ridiculous "bants".
To answer his questions, yes Gabby has been fat and shit for ages now, he's an absolute disgrace. His game was only ever based on pace, so he's as much use as a chocolate fireguard now.
And yes, Bacuna IS always that bad. But not to worry, he's only contracted to us for another 4.5 years.
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I could not believe how many tackles Bacuna shirked last night. It was shameful.
The handball is a penalty Sendo. If you look across all the ones given this season, that was "worse" than a lot of them simply due to how far his arm is from his body. I agree that all of them should not be, but essentially a lot have been given this season, and in line with consistency that should last night. Jon Moss is a tragically poor official though, and never gives Villa anything unless it is impossible to do anything else.
Noble had 3 fully bookable challenges before he set up the first goal too, but walzes off with the man of the match trophy. The guy was poor. I think when it comes on the back of the decision at West Brom where Olsen goes through Ayew and Leiceter where Huth clocks Kozak round the face in a similar way to Ayew but not as blatant and it is again waved away.
All you want is the officials to be consistent, but they are not from game to game, and we are getting the brunt of it at the moment. Garde has got us solid and organised, and if the board had got him a couple of attacking options in the window, I reckon we would be alive and kicking, but we are now dead and buried.
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One of the few times we've looked remotely threatening this season was Leicester second half. We don't have any pace, we don't have anyone who can unlock defences, we don't have midfielders making late runs in to the box, we don't counter attack. All this sideways passing in midfield is completely pointless. No wonder we have good possession stats. I'd let Gil and Veretout have the ball all day long, they don't know what to do with it and there's nothing in front of them.
We dont have a lot of anything really!
Pace is such a big factor, when I played at the heady heights of division 4 of the wolverhampton sunday league the one thing that everyone feared was pace and the ability to get in behind you.
Take something as simple as a corner. Even at the shit level I played at we had 4 different corner set plays, just so we could mix it up a bit.
It took us 3 seasons to work out that westwoods corners were shit. My sunday league manager would have picked that up after 1 game and done something about it.
Now we are down I would respect Garde more if he bought a couple of the kids just to see how they react as this is what we are going to be relying on next seasons and fucked off some of the wasters.
I do kind of agree with your last point (I didn't earlier in the season and especially now when we could be potentially 3 strikers down) but would Saturday be the right game for it? The atmosphere is going to be a bit feisty, especially if we're losing.
May be not Saturday but if we lose and are as good as down then we can have 10-12 games to put some of these kids in just to have a look, I would rather a promising kid from the academy be on the teamsheet ahead of bacuna or richardson
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I could not believe how many tackles Bacuna shirked last night. It was shameful.
The handball is a penalty Sendo. If you look across all the ones given this season, that was "worse" than a lot of them simply due to how far his arm is from his body. I agree that all of them should not be, but essentially a lot have been given this season, and in line with consistency that should last night. Jon Moss is a tragically poor official though, and never gives Villa anything unless it is impossible to do anything else.
Noble had 3 fully bookable challenges before he set up the first goal too, but walzes off with the man of the match trophy. The guy was poor. I think when it comes on the back of the decision at West Brom where Olsen goes through Ayew and Leiceter where Huth clocks Kozak round the face in a similar way to Ayew but not as blatant and it is again waved away.
All you want is the officials to be consistent, but they are not from game to game, and we are getting the brunt of it at the moment. Garde has got us solid and organised, and if the board had got him a couple of attacking options in the window, I reckon we would be alive and kicking, but we are now dead and buried.
That's about it in a nutshell.
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Don't know if now is a good time to put 'the kids' in the team. It could destroy any confidence they have the way things are and really set them back.
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Whichever interpretation they want to use is fine by me, as long as it's consistent - but if we're going to concede a penalty because Mahrez thumps the ball at Cissokho's hand from two yards when he's on the ground, facing the other way (see photo), then Antonio's is also a penalty.
I'd say neither were penalties, and in reality two wrongs don't make a right. I don't understand why referees find it so hard to read and understand the laws of the game. They're actually very clear and simple.
The worst one was Spurs winning a penalty late on in the cup vs Leicester after it hit the back of Nathan Dyers heel and struck his hand as he spun around.
I really like the way opposing fans can come on here and give reasoned views without it resulting in slagging offs. Sends is obviously a reasonable poster, but even he is able, in his own mind, to ignore a blatant penalty when it involves his own team.
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Don't know if now is a good time to put 'the kids' in the team. It could destroy any confidence they have the way things are and really set them back.
There will never be a better time
We fanny about with the academy "kids" enough as it is, it is always next week, next month, next year
I am sure the majority of our fans would have no problem with a youngster running his bollocks off and trying as opposed to a waster like richardson
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Don't know if now is a good time to put 'the kids' in the team. It could destroy any confidence they have the way things are and really set them back.
There will never be a better time
We fanny about with the academy "kids" enough as it is, it is always next week, next month, next year
I am sure the majority of our fans would have no problem with a youngster running his bollocks off and trying as opposed to a waster like richardson
Get them in. Most definitely. We're the most predictable attacking side in the lead. So perhaps 1-2 attacking players from the youths might give us some kind of surprise factor. Lets see what Sellars, Green etc can do.
Is Gabby going to offer much? Unfortunately not.
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Jerrell Sellars is 20. He's not 14. He should be on the bench. There should be a youth option as opposed to Kieran Richardson, he offers fuck all, he's knackered, his legs are shot to pieces but the u21's are kept locked in a cupboard for this mythical day when it's perfect for them to get a chance. Then they disappear.
Give a few of them a shot.
Can they do any worse than Bacuna, Westwood, Richardson, Gabby? Seriously, Bacuna, complete bottle job who's on a 5 month holiday here now, he couldn't give less of a fuck if he tried. We have no young players with more heart than he has talent? Shut down Bodymoor Heath if that's the case as it's not worth it. Sellars or Hepburn Murphy can't work the lines better than 3 forwards who don't get out of 1st gear. Get out of here.
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First of all i'm very drunk
I'd just like to say how proud I am, regardless of how much the tickets were subsidised, of the Villa fans, the same faces that I know rocking up on a week day, while the game is on TV, and getting behind the team as they did tonight.
The London Lions had a cracking turn out tonight and I'm really looking forward to next year, where ever we'll be playing, I met some top Villa lads from Leicester on the tube who deserve a big hug and with whom we had great fun with on the tube in to Upton Park.
My mate had a corporate ticket and and was complimented throughout the game on our support tonight and it was mentioned how they wish their support was so vocal. I walked through West Ham station with a West Ham fan who was genuinely disappointed with us going down.
The more shit we are the more I love them, I've just rolled out of 5 guys slaughtered having met the best group of people I could ever choose to meet, sometimes the shitter we are the more I love em'
I personally can't wait for next year, it may not last if we get stuck there but I'm going to have a lot more fun.
It was a good evening, apart from the actual match. I got talking to a few West Ham fans on the tube home and they were genuinely sad to see the state we're in and wished us all the best. I have to say though that I'm beginning to worry about Garde. I don't know whether the shit we're in is holding him back or covering up the fact that he's not actually any good.
Great turnout, a few choice songs about Lerner which didn't help. The club don't deserve the support that turns up every week, only to have their loyalty chucked back at them
As somebody said last night, if you had to attend the game and weren't allowed to have a drink, would you still go? Now there's a tough one. Watchihg the Villa sober this season is awful (I am dry for home games as I drive and haven't enjoyed a single one).
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Jerrell Sellars is 20. He's not 14. He should be on the bench. There should be a youth option as opposed to Kieran Richardson, he offers fuck all, he's knackered, his legs are shot to pieces but the u21's are kept locked in a cupboard for this mythical day when it's perfect for them to get a chance. Then they disappear.
Give a few of them a shot.
Can they do any worse than Bacuna, Westwood, Richardson, Gabby? Seriously, Bacuna, complete bottle job who's on a 5 month holiday here now, he couldn't give less of a fuck if he tried. We have no young players with more heart than he has talent? Shut down Bodymoor Heath if that's the case as it's not worth it. Sellars or Hepburn Murphy can't work the lines better than 3 forwards who don't get out of 1st gear. Get out of here.
totally agree
grealish apart our academy has delivered fuck all in 4 seasons
so either loan them out at 18 not 21, integrate them to the first team. if we arent producing the right standard then shut it
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We spend too much time trying to survive instead of grooming the kids for Premier League football. I say just throw in 3 kids and put one on the bench and hope it work out.
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We spend too much time trying to survive instead of grooming the kids for Premier League football. I say just throw in 3 kids and put one on the bench and hope it work out.
I largely agree, from what I've seen there are 5-6 in the U21 and U18 who are worth us now taking a look at. Richardson in particular shouldn't ever be on bench again, if we need someone experienced to start then maybe but he did such a piss poor job of getting up the speed of the game yesterday that any idea of him being worth bringing on from the bench should be gone. Honestly if that had been someone signed from abroad who came on and was that poor there'd be mention of Ali Dia.
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I really like the way opposing fans can come on here and give reasoned views without it resulting in slagging offs. Sends is obviously a reasonable poster, but even he is able, in his own mind, to ignore a blatant penalty when it involves his own team.
It's not because it involves West Ham. I'm a clear believer that ball to hand should not be a free kick or penalty. The laws of the game cover this quite clearly, the refs just need to apply the laws properly. For me it totally spoils a football match when a ref gives a penalty for a "handball" after the ball is blasted at a player from a couple of yards away and it strikes his hand, purely because he didn't have it shoved down the front of his shorts.
I agree with the general consensus that the officials need to be consistent though. It is frustrating as fans to see one ref give something one week, and the next week another ref gives the opposite decision in the same circumstances.
Best of luck lads next season. I hope you bounce straight back. It can be a fun league for one season - you win comfortably virtually every week and those of you with the time and spare cash can visit a lot of away grounds that you might never have been to.
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Jerrell Sellars is 20. He's not 14. He should be on the bench. There should be a youth option as opposed to Kieran Richardson, he offers fuck all, he's knackered, his legs are shot to pieces but the u21's are kept locked in a cupboard for this mythical day when it's perfect for them to get a chance. Then they disappear.
Give a few of them a shot.
Can they do any worse than Bacuna, Westwood, Richardson, Gabby? Seriously, Bacuna, complete bottle job who's on a 5 month holiday here now, he couldn't give less of a fuck if he tried. We have no young players with more heart than he has talent? Shut down Bodymoor Heath if that's the case as it's not worth it. Sellars or Hepburn Murphy can't work the lines better than 3 forwards who don't get out of 1st gear. Get out of here.
totally agree
grealish apart our academy has delivered fuck all in 4 seasons
so either loan them out at 18 not 21, integrate them to the first team. if we arent producing the right standard then shut it
I also agree, although presently Grealish isn't looking like a very good advert for the academy either.
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I really like the way opposing fans can come on here and give reasoned views without it resulting in slagging offs. Sends is obviously a reasonable poster, but even he is able, in his own mind, to ignore a blatant penalty when it involves his own team.
It's not because it involves West Ham. I'm a clear believer that ball to hand should not be a free kick or penalty. The laws of the game cover this quite clearly, the refs just need to apply the laws properly. For me it totally spoils a football match when a ref gives a penalty for a "handball" after the ball is blasted at a player from a couple of yards away and it strikes his hand, purely because he didn't have it shoved down the front of his shorts.
I agree with the general consensus that the officials need to be consistent though. It is frustrating as fans to see one ref give something one week, and the next week another ref gives the opposite decision in the same circumstances.
Best of luck lads next season. I hope you bounce straight back. It can be a fun league for one season - you win comfortably virtually every week and those of you with the time and spare cash can visit a lot of away grounds that you might never have been to.
I agree that ball to hand needs to apply, I just don't see how having your arm out behind you like that can be considered ball to hand. I honestly believe that the vast majority of referees would give that as a penalty 97-98 times in a 100. We were incredibly hard done by. What are your thoughts on Noble (twice) and Song both committing fouls to stop us breaking an none of the 3 incidents being considered a yellow card? again those professional fouls are quite well established as yellow cards so it seems strange to see 3 ignored in the space of about 20 minutes.