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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Dave on January 16, 2016, 07:23:42 PM
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Probably a fair result.
Ref was a dick.
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Spirited, better second half etc
Still not gonna get out of this though.
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Good fight back hopefully that'll give them more confidence. Well done Rudy.
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Unbeaten in three!
We are awesome.
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Needed a win. A draw is of no use. Were down.
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Terrible ref but can't fault the effort just lack quality
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Highlight for me was Arlo White on CNBC continually referring to Cunty in the Leicester midfield.
Decent result in any other context than the mire we're in at the moment.
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Battled for the point in the second half. The application was there, the quality isn't. Shows up what the players haven't been doing the rest of the season. We should be on at least 20 points. Well played second half but we desperately need some quality in positions that can get or create goals.
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Needed a win. A draw is of no use. Were down.
no were not
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Unlucky today. The team did really well, especially the second half. Ref could have given us two penaltys if he wasn't a twat. Great save from Bunn too. Our defence was really good today, Okore in particular. Up the Villa.
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Great fighting spirit from us, just a shame it took till January to show it - as said, that ref was a bloody disgrace.
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Vardy offside for their goal,never a penalty.The ref was piss poor and we are showing signs of improving.
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Normally a point against top of the table side would great, but not enough in our mire.
We are going down because we are a terrible team
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The only thing I can say about that is spirited second half, but quite honestly the quality is poor. Even our better players couldn't pass for toffee
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This is getting better. The fight is there, at least. We're desperately short of quality up front, but if that could be rectified during the window, then we should finish the season much more strongly than we started it. I don't expect us to stay up, but momentum is everything.
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Much better second half that could of went either way. It's a point more than I thought we'd get but we still have a super huge mountain to climb in freezing cold conditions with no visibility.
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Can't fault them for effort which is all u can ask for we're just not good enough
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I'm legitimately stunned at how bad the referee was today.
On the subject of which, Jamie Vardy and Robert Huth can fuck so far off. I haven't hated opponents in a match so much for a really long time.
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We need nine wins out of the remaining games.
Us not beating the side top of the table is not a death sentence. We played well in the second half. Gana was terrific.
We'll get out of this.
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Ref was a twat IMO
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we will go down because we have too much to do, but by the end of the season we will feel good about our chances under this manager of coming straight back up. That was a really solid second half display and with better options up front and better movement we would have won today. But the players are giving absolutely everything. Now for a morale lifting win vs Wycombe please.
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A bit of fight second half and we should have had a pen.
9 points adrift. Not impossible.
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You can't be offside from a goal kick
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Needed a win. A draw is of no use. Were down.
no were not
True. Good point. Hopefully beat Wycombe and bring on those Baggie bastards.
Well done, Villa!
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Ref/Linesmen were appalling... How Huth got away with his manhandling of Kozak I do not know. A lot of energy in the game which was great to see from Villa. Plus a never say die attitude. We are still slightly slap stick at the back sometimes but Bunn looks like a really decent keeper.
Gil was chucked off the ball a few times a bit easily so probably the right substitution.
Onwards and upwards - we needed 3, deserved one - so really the right result.
If we can battle like that to the end of the season we might even stay up - you never know...
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How biased was that ref? Cisshoko gets ball on arm while covering a shot...Penalty.
Huth clobber Kozak twice...nothing.
Drinkwater does a basketball turnover in the area...nothing.
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Highlight for me was Arlo White on CNBC continually referring to Cunty in the Leicester midfield.
Decent result in any other context than the mire we're in at the moment.
Ha-ha I thought I was imagining that.
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More fight and spirit in the last two than what we have shown all season, maybe the shite at Wycombe was the best thing to happen? Still think its too late unfortunately.
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Special mention for Okore, he's getting better and better
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You can't be offside from a goal kick
Always thought that was a stupid role. Why not?
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Bunn looks like a really decent keeper.
...that ridiculous charge out of his area after 15 minutes notwithstanding presumably?
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Needed a win. A draw is of no use. Were down.
no were not
True. Good point. Hopefully beat Wycombe and bring on those Baggie bastards.
Well done, Villa!
Indeed. We need help though. Next week should be about getting a player or two in to help out the squad. One of them has to be a striker.
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Leicester have been vaunted for their graft this season, we outworked them in the second half. Fitness is improving and so is work rate. I can't see us staying up, but lets get a bit of a run going, let's end the season with everyone united and everyone being profession. It will make a world of difference to the atmosphere around the place next season.
Up the Villa.
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You can't be offside from a goal kick
Was it a goal kick?
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If anyone would have said after the Wycombe game we'd get four points from games with palace and Leicester you'd have snapped their hands off. As it is it doesn't look like enough.
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Grealish should at least be an option to come off the bench - where was he tonight?
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From 1-0 down, facing a penalty and drawing 1-1 it feels like a decent point but obviously it's not so great when we're gone a point further from safety.
Pleased for Rudy and Bunn, and thought Cissokho grew into the game well in the second half. Hopefully they can gain some confidence personally from their performances and the team can gain some confidence from another game without defeat.
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If anyone would have said after the Wycombe game we'd get four points from games with palace and Leicester you'd have snapped their hands off. As it is it doesn't look like enough.
Let's not give up so soon. We're mid January not mid April.
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The difference a mobile striker would make to this team is immense.
We really weren't that bad today - Leicester have just gone top of the league, let's not forget - but the major differences were their speed and movement up front and their confidence.
Buy a striker of the right type and we might have a slim chance.
If they don't do that, or at least pull out all the stops and try, then they've given up.
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We were out fought completely in the first half. We upped our game in the second and once again we showed with a bit more effort and desire we can at least compete.
A draw was probably fair but we certainly had the shit end of the decisions. Kozak should have had a stone wall penalty.
MOTM was a toss up between Okore and Gana for me. Gana was imperious in the second half.
Gil couldn't cope with the pace of the game or Leicesters closing down.
Ayew was marked out the first half but found more and more space in the second. He works so hard. Another good display.
And who was this Gestede fella who came on? He looks useful.
To be honest, if we've got any hope, whatsoever of staying up I think we have to ditch the attempts at playing football. We're all fart and no shit. Gil isn't good enough to keep us up. Neither is Grealish. Beyond that we don't have playmakers. So I vote we go Pulis Stoke mode and play Kozak and Gestede up front with Ayew in a free role and three in midfield. Pelt in crosses and try a long game. To be fair Kozak and Gestede actually linked quite well. Kozak can actually read a flick on.
It's our only hope.
I hope we buy a decent winger in the window too. Failing that, it would be nice if Traore was fit for more than 10 minutes.
We're not good enough to play football. Get ugly. Lets fuck some fuckers. I think we looked more menacing playing two big bastards up front than we had done in the rest of the game. And whilst it's not pretty it actually registered more excitement than just watching us pass it along our backline. In this position you have to scrap your way out.
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a goalscorer any goalscorer may well be the difference
but who?
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Good second half effort against a side who've only lost twice.
If ONLY we'd shown the fight more often, who knows?
Jamie Vardy really is an odious little twat isn't he?
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Credit to Garde too, he's turning it around slowly but he's been left the slippiest, steepest slope to climb.
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We rallied well in the 2nd half. He's played well recently but Veretouts crossing was awful today. Shame Traore is out as id be tempted to play the big two up front if he was fit for the next game.
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Grealish should at least be an option to come off the bench - where was he tonight?
Out with tonsillitis.
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while good overall, the defending by both centre backs for their goal was terrible. Okore for letting Vardy to beat him and Lescott for being fast asleep as Okazaki to get behind him.
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TalkSport evidently seen a different performance to us. No fight, no desire, can't believe supporters are still bothering....
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If anyone would have said after the Wycombe game we'd get four points from games with palace and Leicester you'd have snapped their hands off. As it is it doesn't look like enough.
Let's not give up so soon. We're mid January not mid April.
The difference a mobile striker would make to this team is immense.
We really weren't that bad today - Leicester have just gone top of the league, let's not forget - but the major differences were their speed and movement up front and their confidence.
Buy a striker of the right type and we might have a slim chance.
If they don't do that, or at least pull out all the stops and try, then they've given up.
I think the most pleasing thing is that Remi has apparently unified the team and he's got us fighting. I think we have a real future under him.
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The difference a mobile striker would make to this team is immense.
We really weren't that bad today - Leicester have just gone top of the league, let's not forget - but the major differences were their speed and movement up front and their confidence.
Buy a striker of the right type and we might have a slim chance.
If they don't do that, or at least pull out all the stops and try, then they've given up.
And they really shouldn't give up. The league is not that strong. We've got a team top who are up their with momentum and work rate with a touch of class in a couple of positions and well organised. Nothing special. We've matched them today and we're pants. I really think a strong showing in this window, if we can convince a few, and there is a chance.
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That was a spirited performance from Villa, especially second half. Garde is the man for the job, in my opinion. But it will take a miracle to keep us up. I just hope the manager gets chance to bring us back up next year. Performances like today and Tuesday would see us romping the Championship. I know it's not going to be that easy in reality. But we've been stinking the Premier League out for a while now and need a re-boot.
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TalkSport evidently seen a different performance to us. No fight, no desire, can't believe supporters are still bothering....
Just heard them sum up the match. I know we are crap, but we did show some fight in the 2nd half. What Alvin Martin knows about football you could write on Action mans deck of cards.
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Bunn looks like a really decent keeper.
...that ridiculous charge out of his area after 15 minutes notwithstanding presumably?
To be honest with that I was surprised Bacuna let the ball past him so easily just before. Well okay it's not that surprising but I won't have too much of a Bacuna moan, he was quite good on the whole today.
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Decent point with how the first half went,should have had a penalty though second half Robert huth is a twat. Need to win Tuesday just to keep this momentum going. Desperately need a goal scorer from somewhere.
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TalkSport evidently seen a different performance to us. No fight, no desire, can't believe supporters are still bothering....
Why listen to that shit?
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Performances like today and Tuesday would see us romping the Championship. I know it's not going to be that easy in reality.
You've not read the script.
We're going to be relegated from the Championship, and probably again the year after.
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Grealish should at least be an option to come off the bench - where was he tonight?
Watching it in the pub.
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If anyone would have said after the Wycombe game we'd get four points from games with palace and Leicester you'd have snapped their hands off. As it is it doesn't look like enough.
Let's not give up so soon. We're mid January not mid April.
The difference a mobile striker would make to this team is immense.
We really weren't that bad today - Leicester have just gone top of the league, let's not forget - but the major differences were their speed and movement up front and their confidence.
Buy a striker of the right type and we might have a slim chance.
If they don't do that, or at least pull out all the stops and try, then they've given up.
I think the most pleasing thing is that Remi has apparently unified the team and he's got us fighting. I think we have a real future under him.
It didn't look that way a couple of weeks ago. The Wycombe game seems to have really kickstarted something and we've shown some unity. I hope it continues because I'd fancy Remi to craft a reasonable side that could get us out the Championship in the manner he wants to play.
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Performances like today and Tuesday would see us romping the Championship. I know it's not going to be that easy in reality.
You've not read the script.
We're going to be relegated from the Championship, and probably again the year after.
I just received a copy of the script Dave, and it has us relegated through to the Ryman Isthmian League after this season we are so bad.
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Performances like today and Tuesday would see us romping the Championship. I know it's not going to be that easy in reality.
You've not read the script.
We're going to be relegated from the Championship, and probably again the year after.
When I said romp the Championship I meant the conference, obviously. Stupid alto- connect.
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Performances like today and Tuesday would see us romping the Championship. I know it's not going to be that easy in reality.
You've not read the script.
We're going to be relegated from the Championship, and probably again the year after.
is that a private joke dave
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Funny, i thought we missed Gil when he went off, i thought Westwood was a bit of a liability in the centre, not good enough going forward, poor defensively.
I would have put Veretout and Gana in the centre, with Gil and Ayew wide.
Need at least 7 wins, maybe time to play the 2 big guys up front.
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What script is that?
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What script is that?
the one where even when we do something good some will always look to point out the negatives or simply that everything is shit.
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I agree with Tom, bizarrely Rudy and Libor did link up well together. Have we stumbled on a solution?
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We deserved more. I thought the fight and desire was there second half. 2-3 were below par - Veretout and Westwood for example, but we have so few options to change.
Desperately need 2-3 attacking options that can help us win games and score.
Overall though, Rudy and Kozak at home, why not.
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Thought Gana was superb today, despite a couple of dodgy giveaways. Ran his bollocks off, took on every physical contest and made some extremely important tackles.
Kozak is quite shit, but at least he's a nuisance and gets himself into useful positions - maybe the goals come, maybe they don't, but at least he's there and about. If that penalty gets given, we'd be praising him more effusively, I think.
Rudy's best role (sadly) is probably what he did tonight, coming on after 60-70 minutes. That way, he can basically go full-pelt at everything - I mean. there was that one occasion where he actually looked kind of rapid. I think the same might be with Gil as well.
We so desperately need quality in wide areas, and unfortunately, I doubt we'll manage it. Then again, some talented wide player in France might be getting frozen out by his manager as we speak.
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I know our players are mostly not very good. I know that Randy Lerner has put us into a lamentable state. I think we are down.
Whatever. They tried today. Good 1-1.
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The non penalty decision against for Huth on Kozak and possibly a red card was astonishing. How on earth was that missed or ignored?
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What script is that?
the one where even when we do something good some will always look to point out the negatives or simply that everything is shit.
Err ok. That's life isn't it? Always at least one person with a different opinion to yours.
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First v bottom. Didn't even look like that. Excellent team performance. Momentum is everything. We ain't going down !!!!!!!
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If the roles were reversed and Villa were top and Leicester were bottom the Kozak penalty would have been nailed on with a possible red card.
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Grealish should at least be an option to come off the bench - where was he tonight?
Out with tonsillitis.
Is she the barmaid from the "Lamb & Flag"?
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Overall though, Rudy and Kozak at home, why not.
The first forward line this season that's resembled anything like a partnership. Thought they showed a couple of glimpses of playing of each other.
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We were out fought completely in the first half. We upped our game in the second and once again we showed with a bit more effort and desire we can at least compete.
A draw was probably fair but we certainly had the shit end of the decisions. Kozak should have had a stone wall penalty.
MOTM was a toss up between Okore and Gana for me. Gana was imperious in the second half.
Gil couldn't cope with the pace of the game or Leicesters closing down.
Ayew was marked out the first half but found more and more space in the second. He works so hard. Another good display.
And who was this Gestede fella who came on? He looks useful.
To be honest, if we've got any hope, whatsoever of staying up I think we have to ditch the attempts at playing football. We're all fart and no shit. Gil isn't good enough to keep us up. Neither is Grealish. Beyond that we don't have playmakers. So I vote we go Pulis Stoke mode and play Kozak and Gestede up front with Ayew in a free role and three in midfield. Pelt in crosses and try a long game. To be fair Kozak and Gestede actually linked quite well. Kozak can actually read a flick on.
It's our only hope.
I hope we buy a decent winger in the window too. Failing that, it would be nice if Traore was fit for more than 10 minutes.
We're not good enough to play football. Get ugly. Lets fuck some fuckers. I think we looked more menacing playing two big bastards up front than we had done in the rest of the game. And whilst it's not pretty it actually registered more excitement than just watching us pass it along our backline. In this position you have to scrap your way out.
I have to agree with this. It's a 180 about turn for me, I must admit I thought we were quite decent technically prior to this match but if we're going to get any wins we have to be efficient. We are horribly inefficient at the moment.
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The non penalty decision against for Huth on Kozak and possibly a red card was astonishing. How on earth was that missed or ignored?
The ref was very bad. He cost us two goals , I dont think thats an exageration either.
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The assault on Kozak in the area was a disgrace.
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Grealish should at least be an option to come off the bench - where was he tonight?
Out with tonsillitis.
Hope I'm wrong but the Grealish situation seems a bit dodgy to me. I hope he's not on the way out.
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Bunn 6
Bacuna 6
Okore 6
Lescott 5
Cissokho 6
Gana 8
Veretout 5
Westwood 6
Gil 5
Ayew 7
Kozak 6
Gestede 7
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Played well and deserved more. Time to go 4-4-2 with Gana and Mangetout in the middle, Ayew and Gil wide, with Gestede and Kozak up front.
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The assault on Kozak in the area was a disgrace.
Wasn't it. Red card and a pen. That ref has a bit of explaining to do.
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Played well and deserved more. Time to go 4-4-2 with Gana and Mangetout in the middle, Ayew and Gil wide, with Gestede and Kozak up front.
Mangetout?
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TalkSport evidently seen a different performance to us. No fight, no desire, can't believe supporters are still bothering....
Why listen to that shit?
It's switched off now. Couple of villa fans have been on and we're mocked and sneered at when trying to make a point.
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Good point - the Naaarwich and Sunderlund games fucked us.
Keep up the effort, try and off load the wasters and get a midfielder in asap. Westwood has got to be the most useless player who has consistently played for us for 3 seasons+ in my recollection.
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Just me who thinks if Bunn stayed on line Vardy can't attempt the lob for the goal ?
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According to that brainless fucking moron Timmy, we need Gabby back asap because he's the one who has saved us from relegation time after time.
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In our position a point not enough.. but stand back and look at the performance and suddenly I see an improvement..ok to late to avoid the drop but suddenly we seem to have some pride back. Bloody annoying as I will have to go on Tuesday now ! Come on the fkin villa !!!!
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Surely we have to get Veretout into the middle and let him be the driving force of the team, to say he has more ability than Westwood and more would be the understatement of the century.
Other than that we desperately need some quality at full back (Richards at RB? LB?) and quite clearly we need a striker.
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Grealish should at least be an option to come off the bench - where was he tonight?
Out with tonsillitis.
Hope I'm wrong but the Grealish situation seems a bit dodgy to me. I hope he's not on the way out.
I'd farm him out on loan and then have a serious head to head with him in the summer. If he's not willing to fight for the club and fight for his place then we cash in and he can bugger off.
The sooner he learns that he's done absolutely shit all at the top level, the better. He should believe his own hype to much. Sooner or later you have to deliver on it. He's not even fit to lace Lee Hendries boots.
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According to that brainless fucking moron Timmy, we need Gabby back asap because he's the one who has saved us from relegation time after time.
Jesus just wept a little.
We are well shot of him. Atrocious.
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What script is that?
the one where even when we do something good some will always look to point out the negatives or simply that everything is shit.
Close - it's the script where if somebody misplaces a pass, we miss a chance or we concede a goal, that means we're worse than Rotherham, Bolton, Huddersfield, MK Dons et al and about to plummet through the leagues.
It's a script usually being read by somebody who hasn't watched a second division match in about twenty years, if ever.
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Just me who thinks if Bunn stayed on line Vardy can't attempt the lob for the goal ?
Nope you're spot on.
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Thought they were lucky overall. We showed spirit and desire.
Veretout / his worst 90 for a long time
Gill - would like to see jack Given a go in this role
Kozak - for his second game did well. Maybe should have scored (wish the chance fell to Ayew)
Ayew / much better second half
Westwood - maybe bacuna into his role once debuchy comes in?
Bunn - absolute hero. His save from Vardy deserved for that not to go in....
Gestede - maybe the kick up the ass? Looks more mobile and effort put in.
Aly - a threat, defended well, can't say more than that
Okazaki - I thought was their best player. His work rate is exceptional. Constant thorn.
Mahrez - his early season form gone to his head and is arrogant twat
Vardy - offered not much
Drink water - 2nd best player
Huth - any other game of the week would have given away 2 penalties
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In our position a point not enough.. but stand back and look at the performance and suddenly I see an improvement..ok to late to avoid the drop but suddenly we seem to have some pride back. Bloody annoying as I will have to go on Tuesday now ! Come on the fkin villa !!!!
I've resigned myself to the drop. I just want us to take the attitude and work ethic of the last two games into the remaining matches and see an improvement in form. We need some momentum going into next season. It would especially be nice to have a good run at Villa park. We've been so horrendously shit here, that two games unbeaten is good. If we make that three against Wycombe, it starts to change the atmos a bit. I'd like to see us avoid home defeats against anyone below the top four for the rest of the season. It'll be tough but if we get slugging away it's possible.
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How the fuck did the referee miss the most blatant elbow, penalty and sending off? Unreal.
Spirited second half, easily the better side, but we are a striker light. Lots more fight, effort, just missing that quality up top.
Fuck knows what TalkShite were on about when I got back in the car. Top of the league just spent 45 minutes defending and lumping it into the channel.
They're showing some fight, it's late, maybe too late, but you can't lay down in the road. That sort of fight and grit is what we need next week against Sandwell.
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We were out fought completely in the first half. We upped our game in the second and once again we showed with a bit more effort and desire we can at least compete.
A draw was probably fair but we certainly had the shit end of the decisions. Kozak should have had a stone wall penalty.
MOTM was a toss up between Okore and Gana for me. Gana was imperious in the second half.
Gil couldn't cope with the pace of the game or Leicesters closing down.
Ayew was marked out the first half but found more and more space in the second. He works so hard. Another good display.
And who was this Gestede fella who came on? He looks useful.
To be honest, if we've got any hope, whatsoever of staying up I think we have to ditch the attempts at playing football. We're all fart and no shit. Gil isn't good enough to keep us up. Neither is Grealish. Beyond that we don't have playmakers. So I vote we go Pulis Stoke mode and play Kozak and Gestede up front with Ayew in a free role and three in midfield. Pelt in crosses and try a long game. To be fair Kozak and Gestede actually linked quite well. Kozak can actually read a flick on.
It's our only hope.
I hope we buy a decent winger in the window too. Failing that, it would be nice if Traore was fit for more than 10 minutes.
We're not good enough to play football. Get ugly. Lets fuck some fuckers. I think we looked more menacing playing two big bastards up front than we had done in the rest of the game. And whilst it's not pretty it actually registered more excitement than just watching us pass it along our backline. In this position you have to scrap your way out.
Tom we'd get slaughtered playing Kozak and Gestede for the full game. Gestede is good against utter crap - Blues - and as a nuisance sub v anyone.
Kozak deserves a run. If not Gill then someone who can at least carve some space. Grealish needs to knuckledown so agree he isn't the answer. Sinclair should be but isn't and Traore isn't quite ready.
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So I vote we go Pulis Stoke mode and play Kozak and Gestede up front with Ayew in a free role and three in midfield. Pelt in crosses and try a long game. To be fair Kozak and Gestede actually linked quite well. Kozak can actually read a flick on.
It's our only hope.
I hope we buy a decent winger in the window too.
We certainly need somebody to get the crosses in. Bacuna, who used to have a great cross on him has been shocking with his delivery. Today almost had me pining for Alan Hutton. Almost.
Not sure if we could carry a winger with our set up. I'd certainly like to see one as I see us very congested through the middle and creating very few real chances.
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So I vote we go Pulis Stoke mode and play Kozak and Gestede up front with Ayew in a free role and three in midfield. Pelt in crosses and try a long game. To be fair Kozak and Gestede actually linked quite well. Kozak can actually read a flick on.
It's our only hope.
I hope we buy a decent winger in the window too.
We certainly need somebody to get the crosses in. Bacuna, who used to have a great cross on him has been shocking with his delivery. Today almost had me pining for Alan Hutton. Almost.
Not sure if we could carry a winger with our set up. I'd certainly like to see one as I see us very congested through the middle and creating very few real chances.
Sinclair?
*wink*
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There really needs to be some way to hold the referee (and assistants) accountable, week after week they get away with shockingly bad decisions, with little to no repercussions.
1st half we were poor and gifted them the goal, but what a second half. We were much better and perhaps unlucky not to steal a win. Contrary to popular belief, I have felt that Veretout has been dipping in form over the last few games and too many times tonight turned back instead of driving us forward. In contrast, Gana has really stepped it up and was my motm by a country mile.
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According to that brainless fucking moron Timmy, we need Gabby back asap because he's the one who has saved us from relegation time after time.
Jesus just wept a little.
We are well shot of him. Atrocious.
I don't know, I'd stick him in the team or at least on the bench and use when needed. I don't think this is the time to ostracise any player, especially one who has scored so many goals for us in the past. It would be just like Agbonlahor to deliver just when we need it.
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Grealish should at least be an option to come off the bench - where was he tonight?
Out with tonsillitis.
Hope I'm wrong but the Grealish situation seems a bit dodgy to me. I hope he's not on the way out.
It is all in his hands to be fair. He has had a good family support network and too all intent seems like a nice enough kid who makes a few mistakes - everyone does aged 20.
However if he thinks or wants to be the new current Gabby then he can go. If he wants to start grafting and taking his career seriously - go out on loan if necessary - then it's an option. He has done nothing this season to warrant more first team game time and that is as shit as we have been
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A 1-1 draw against the title chasers. I'm satisfied with that.
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According to that brainless fucking moron Timmy, we need Gabby back asap because he's the one who has saved us from relegation time after time.
Jesus just wept a little.
We are well shot of him. Atrocious.
I don't know, I'd stick him in the team or at least on the bench and use when needed. I don't think this is the time to ostracise any player, especially one who has scored so many goals for us in the past. It would be just like Agbonlahor to deliver just when we need it.
yep he's not a starter anymore but he can still offer pace of the bench. There was a moment late in the second half when Gestede had the ball and had no chance of outrunning the CB. Instead he tried to play in Kozak and it went long. Had Gabby been there at least you know he'd gone past the CB with his pace. Not saying the outcome would have been any different but it would been more a threat.
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I think the definite alternative if we can't get a decent wide player in is to upgrade on the Westwood spot in midfield with someone who has more about them in the final third (not necessarily scoring or creating goals, but actually making runs into space to free up others), while still being the steady, sensible passer that Westwood is when need be. I don't think a two man midfield works for us, we're shite enough at the back as it is, let alone with even less protection; and the third midfielder frees up Veretout.
Gana was the CDM we've been begging for for years and the upgrade over the Westwood/Sanchez combo that all of us wanted at the start of the summer (as good defensively as Sanchez, but better on the ball), but we ask him to do far too much, honestly - he seems to be asked to get forward and try and score a few goals, which I think messes with his game and causes him to be out of position more than we need.
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According to that brainless fucking moron Timmy, we need Gabby back asap because he's the one who has saved us from relegation time after time.
Jesus just wept a little.
We are well shot of him. Atrocious.
I don't know, I'd stick him in the team or at least on the bench and use when needed. I don't think this is the time to ostracise any player, especially one who has scored so many goals for us in the past. It would be just like Agbonlahor to deliver just when we need it.
Yep if it was 2011, 2013 at a push I'd agree with you. Now - not for me
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Okazaki is a little snide cheat. He fell over 15 timesoozing for the free kick, the percentage ball wankers.
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Vardy's dad is Bruce Forsyth and his mum is Jack Frost.
Proud of the lads for giving a creditable account of themselves. Okore was strong as an Ox and Cisshoko was more than decent. Enjoyed the game as part of our winless hot streak.
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how long has vardy been wearing that cast for now?whats the story?
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Gabby's days of coming up with key goals are long gone. He resembles Mr Blobby now and doesn't have the pace he used to. I remember that game he won for us against Norwich a few years back. A game that contributed a lot to staying up. He's not that quick any more. He couldn't do that.
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Spirited draw but these good performances and more importantly results are happening too late, we needed this over xmas.
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Crazy that Gabby has dropped in pace at only 29! Sprinters normally peak at 28 to 32. He needs to diet - why are the trainers allowing this?
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Pleased with the fight we showed in the second half. Shame our crossing was so poor, especially from the right, really didn't make enough of having Kozak and Rudy on.
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A 1-1 draw against the title chasers. I'm satisfied with that.
This. I thought we grafted against a dangerous side. We deserved a point and could have got 3.
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Rémi's got them scrapping for all they're worth.
Low on quality, but commitment and effort will take you a fair way in this massively overrated league.
Plus, the confidence appears to be seeping back a little. Three games without having their arses handed to them will help.
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Oh and having not seen any replays, should their goal have stood, was it a pen for them, and what about the elbow on Kozak, from the UT the Kozak one looked a pen but hard to be sure.
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Oh and having not seen any replays, should their goal have stood, was it a pen for them, and what about the elbow on Kozak, from the UT the Kozak one looked a pen but hard to be sure.
From the TV pictures it looked like Huth was trying to remove Kozak's head from his shoulders.
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As everyone I spoke to said afterwards, if we'd played like this for the past month we'd be at least six points better off.
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Oh and having not seen any replays, should their goal have stood, was it a pen for them, and what about the elbow on Kozak, from the UT the Kozak one looked a pen but hard to be sure.
From the TV pictures it looked like Huth was trying to remove Kozak's head from his shoulders.
Spot on, it was all out assault. I even mamanged not to type "get up Kozak you tart"!
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As everyone I spoke to said afterwards, if we'd played like this for the past month we'd be at least six points better off.
If we'd played like this all season, we'd be comfortably top half.
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Oh and having not seen any replays, should their goal have stood, was it a pen for them, and what about the elbow on Kozak, from the UT the Kozak one looked a pen but hard to be sure.
From the TV pictures it looked like Huth was trying to remove Kozak's head from his shoulders.
Spot on, it was all out assault. I even mamanged not to type "get up Kozak you tart"!
Heh.
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In the two matches we've played against them, you would never guess one was so horrifically bad they were bottom by miles and the other was top of the league.
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And their goal was clearly offside.
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Oh and having not seen any replays, should their goal have stood, was it a pen for them, and what about the elbow on Kozak, from the UT the Kozak one looked a pen but hard to be sure.
From the TV pictures it looked like Huth was trying to remove Kozak's head from his shoulders.
Spot on, it was all out assault. I even mamanged not to type "get up Kozak you tart"!
Heh.
Gnasher?
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And their goal was clearly offside.
Just seen you can't be offside from a goal kick. You learn something new everyday.
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Pleased with the fight we showed in the second half. Shame our crossing was so poor, especially from the right, really didn't make enough of having Kozak and Rudy on.
Agree with that. I thought Leicester weren't all that impressive - they seem to have a very simple game plan and have obviously relied heavily on the good form of Vardy and Mahrez. I really just can't understand how our crossing is so poor and we hit the first man nearly every time.
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As everyone I spoke to said afterwards, if we'd played like this for the past month we'd be at least six points better off.
If we'd played like this all season, we'd be comfortably top half.
I kept thinking during the game these are 2 just below-mid table teams. How they are 20 places apart says a lot about how they have both been run this year.
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Leicester top of the table? What a batshit crazy league this is this season. They are high on confidence but the league is high on drugs if they are supposedly a top quality side. Any side that has Robert Huth in it is cack. Clear penalty for Villa not given yet they smash the ball in to Sissokho from two yards away and, well, you know the rest. We still need a replacement for Westwood and a striker but have turned a corner.
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Crazy that Gabby has dropped in pace at only 29! Sprinters normally peak at 28 to 32. He needs to diet - why are the trainers allowing this?
Gabby has never had a footballing brain. The fact he's been allowed to stay here for so long off of 'pace' alone is mind blowing. It's not like he uses it to assist others, his assists stats are poor and it's not like he uses it to leave defenders for dead because his goal stats are garbage as well. So what exactly does he do or offer anymore? This season will be the lowest number of games he's played and people will say ... ''well that's why he hasn't scored much''
There is a reason why he's fit and isn't in the team. It's because he's crap and offers next to nothing.
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Bloody cold.
Atrocious referee.
Poor first-half.
Much improved second-half.
Bunn was reckless to start with.
A draw against a team challenging at the very top of the table.
Onwards and hopefully upwards.
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Probably the most inept display of refereeing I've ever seen. Okazaki should be renamed kamikaze for the number of times he dived - how he didn't get a card for a flying lunge way after the ball had gone beggars belief, and if the ref had spotted his dive just before he gave the penalty (not sure it should have been given anyway) we should have had a free kick for simulation; apparently Huth trying to decapitate Kozak is not a penalty; shortly afterwards Huth also deliberately shoved his hand in Kozak's face off the ball - nothing given; and apparently Vardy is allowed to swing a fist at someone, and instead of a red card it's yellows all round and a handshake. To be fair he was so inept he also didn't spot Gestede's handball for our goal.
As for the game - surprisingly disappointed at seeing how much Leicester are just glorified old school 'direct', i.e. endless long balls; we showed more fight in the second half and that galvanised the crowd - fantastic noise in the Holte again; and if we could cross a ball or miss the first man on set pieces we'd score more - in other words we've started playing like we should have done all season, but at the end of the day the quality might simply not be there.
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Penalty miss (http://rutube.ru/video/02a1bd26f60840d81f2219b5d78897b5)
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Gestede goal (http://rutube.ru/video/af9dc77c1b3545ec22b8bd1d4947c0b3/)
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That referee reminded me of the bad old days of Alf Buksh only Buksh wasn't that bad.
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Gestede goal (http://rutube.ru/video/af9dc77c1b3545ec22b8bd1d4947c0b3/)
what's the shove in his face about?
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Gestede goal (http://rutube.ru/video/af9dc77c1b3545ec22b8bd1d4947c0b3/)
what's the shove in his face about?
To remind him he's still crap
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Smells like team spirit.
We are not down yet.
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Ah isn't it lovely to read these kind words about our boys breaking sweat for us today. I'm touched. Sadly we couldn't match our hard running with incisive passing and shots at goal, nevertheless I'm grateful the players tried their little best. That's two games running now aswell, we should be honoured. I'll sleep well tonight knowing they've had this in their locker all along but just waited for the new year to come around before they shared it with us.
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Gestede goal (http://rutube.ru/video/af9dc77c1b3545ec22b8bd1d4947c0b3/)
what's the shove in his face about?
To remind him he's still crap
To be fair, he did well when he came on today, could have done with someone with a bit more pace instead of a clearly struggling Kozak alongside him
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What script is that?
the one where even when we do something good some will always look to point out the negatives or simply that everything is shit.
Close - it's the script where if somebody misplaces a pass, we miss a chance or we concede a goal, that means we're worse than Rotherham, Bolton, Huddersfield, MK Dons et al and about to plummet through the leagues.
It's a script usually being read by somebody who hasn't watched a second division match in about twenty years, if ever.
Sounds like you're exaggerating.
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I hope struggling to get a point at the worst club in the league is the start of Leicester's downward spiral. I like the thought of a new club up at the top but not the thought of it being Leicester. I've been to Leicester a few times, Kasabian, Vardy and them doing something dodgy a few years ago to avoid a points deduction are good enough reasons not to like them for now.
Maybe it's because we've been so poor for so long that some are quite happy with the performance tonight but I didn't see anything to suggest we'll finish anywhere other than bottom of the league although I didn't see how bad Sunderland were today.
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Vardy offside for their goal,never a penalty.The ref was piss poor and we are showing signs of improving.
Sorry if i'm late to the party but I believe you can't be offside from a goal kick
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So from the game it wasn't obvious there was 32 points between the teams.
First half up to there goal there wasn't much in it but we weren't looking like we were going to score. For me can I have confirmation you cant be offside from there goal kick - as Vardy was yards offside yet no one has mentioned it - can someone clarify the rules anyone? The penalty save was crucial
Second half we upped the tempo and upped the workrate were denied a clear penalty and got a bit of luck with the deserved equaliser. What disappointed me was the final ball veretout corners on the whole were poor and his free kicks were not much better. Something that must be worked on.
Player Ratings
Bunn - 6 - good penalty save and didn't have a whole lot to do
Bacuna - 6.5 - worked hard and got up and down well second half - delivery often lets him down
Cissokho - 7 - did well clean and tidy defensively and actually had a few shots one that threatened second half.
Okore - 6.5 - marshalled vardy well on the whole but switched off for the first goal
Lescott - 6.5. - looked one paced at time and often drops deep to compensate when the rest of the defence don't but okore and lescott look the most assured pair
Gueye - 8 - MOTM - worked tirelessly breaking up play did well
Veretout - 6 - cant fault his workrate but delivery was poor and also we need a midfielder to try and get in the box more
Westwood - 6 - see veretout
Gil - 5 - disappointing tidy and neat but gets run off the ball too often
Ayew - 5.5 - too often out of the game but again worked very hard
Kozak - 7 - led the line well he is an intelligent gestede for me - he jumps well and flicks on makes himself an outlet - has to start out of the options we have atm
Gestede - 6 - scored and put himself about
There is hope I think its too late but we must maintain this standard from now until the end of the season
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They gave their all and matched Leicester's pressing and work rate in the second half.
Proud of them, special mention for Jores Okore who was my man of the match.
Westwood played well to, has Remi got him playing ?
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We need positive momentum. We are probably going down but if we go down with no progress then we could freefall. There is a small change here. Remi is fighting. It's too little for this season I reckon but he looks like a man who can build from this. I like him and what's happened in the last few weeks a lot.
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If we'd put in the second half shift in the first half we could and probably would have won that.
Leicester showed how sheer hard work and running has helped get them to where they are and playing the long goal kicks and diagonals pays off for a team that is doing much better than its play probably deserves.
The big 2 up front unsettled their defence and if anyone could cross a half decent ball in we surely would've capitalised. Veretout was especially poor with delivery.
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They gave their all and matched Leicester's pressing and work rate in the second half.
Proud of them, special mention for Jores Okore who was my man of the match.
Westwood played well to, has Remi got him playing ?
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Leicester reminded me of us under O'Neill when we were 3rd/4th. Sit deep, play on the break/hoof, very direct, work hard, get the best out of average players. Effective but boring and will get found out eventually.
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Veretout has got 4-5 assists with his crossing this season from set plays so I can forgive him tonight. No one got it past the first man.
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Leicester reminded me of us under O'Neill when we were 3rd/4th. Sit deep, play on the break/hoof, very direct, work hard, get the best out of average players. Effective but boring and will get found out eventually.
You think that's boring?
I'll have some of that then.
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That goal they scored was a disgrace, the defence just switched off. Thought Westwood and Veretout were too far away from Gana in the first half, felt sorry for the bloke with them running through him. I cannot see how Bacuna is a better right back than Micah Richards, not in a million years. Kozak battled well, but was shot after an hour and should have been replaced. Would rather have even had inclair alongside Gestede, who was winning the flick ons. Gana my MOTM,
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Leicester reminded me of us under O'Neill when we were 3rd/4th. Sit deep, play on the break/hoof, very direct, work hard, get the best out of average players. Effective but boring and will get found out eventually.
I don't think Young, Milner, Barry, Petrov, Carew were average players
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Hopefully the last time this will need clarifying - the Laws of the Game state in Law 11:Offside (http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside.aspx) that there is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from a goal kick, a throw-in or a corner kick
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Hopefully the last time this will need clarifying - the Laws of the Game state in Law 11:Offside (http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside.aspx) that there is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from a goal kick, a throw-in or a corner kick
What was Lescott doing though? He stopped. Then when Bunn saved Vardy's lob Lescott stopped again and watched Okazaki run in and score. Poor defending twice, and evidence that he's ok when the play is in front of him but his legs have gone. Okore was superb though I thought, I like him.
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That goal they scored was a disgrace, the defence just switched off.
We were looking quite comfortable at the time, so it was a really poor goal to concede. It was the only real mistake Okore made.
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To be fair to Mr Sherwood he had an opportunity to stick the boot in tonight but he didn't apart from the stupid Gabby comment he talked sense and seemed to genuinely be defending us.
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Leicester are nowhere near as pod as our ONeill side. They're kick and run merchants with this year's Marcus Stewart.
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I still think we should be aiming to catch the Tesco Bags - they will start to panic if we get a result next week.
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A point. I'd have taken that before kick off.
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I would love it, love it if we beat them. My Mrs and her family are all Albion season ticket holders, and all the lads I work with are Albion aswell. All I've heard is how they're going to hammer a nail in next week so if we beat them and they thought they'd had a hand in maybe helping our survival it would kill them. I can't see us winning though, a draw at best.
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A 1-1 draw against the title chasers. I'm satisfied with that.
This. I thought we grafted against a dangerous side. We deserved a point and could have got 3.
Can't argue with that. I was very impressed with Leicester first half but I loved to see our commitment second half.
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Leicester are nowhere near as pod as our ONeill side. They're kick and run merchants with this year's Marcus Stewart.
I honestly think with how average the league is right now O Neill's Villa side would be pushing for the title. They'd certainly get top four, even probably with the usual March debacle.
Leicester have punched above their weight. They've done well. But our 07-10 outfit was better.
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Hopefully the last time this will need clarifying - the Laws of the Game state in Law 11:Offside (http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside.aspx) that there is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from a goal kick, a throw-in or a corner kick
Please post to everyone interested in football.
Ad infinitum. Ad nauseum.
Especially TV Pundits - most of whom should know better.
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Wins are what we need.
Having said that, though, that is four points from the last six we've taken, playing sides who would be expected to beat us.
I get the "a point is no use" thing, but it's not true, a point and a decent performance are a small platform to maybe build on. I don't think we're going to escape relegation, but fuck it, while it is mathematically possible still, we might as well give it a go.
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Surely their goal was offside though?
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Leicester are nowhere near as pod as our ONeill side. They're kick and run merchants with this year's Marcus Stewart.
Not sure what pod means but they were the best team I've seen turn up at Villa Park this season. The fact we made them really sweat second half is a credit to our team.
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Leicester reminded me of us under O'Neill when we were 3rd/4th. Sit deep, play on the break/hoof, very direct, work hard, get the best out of average players. Effective but boring and will get found out eventually.
I don't think Young, Milner, Barry, Petrov, Carew were average players
Those were the days my friend..............
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Leicester are nowhere near as pod as our ONeill side. They're kick and run merchants with this year's Marcus Stewart.
I honestly think with how average the league is right now O Neill's Villa side would be pushing for the title. They'd certainly get top four, even probably with the usual March debacle.
Leicester have punched above their weight. They've done well. But our 07-10 outfit was better.
MON's teams couldn't string 4 passes together. We were successfully ugly. Leicester are beauty queens in comparison.
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The defence tended to be average at everything other than heading away - which is fine, as it goes. The problem was these good players were the only ones he ever used despite spending scores of millions on a squad, and also played an unnecessarily tiring brand of football, meaning we were completely fucked by March every year.
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Wins are what we need.
Having said that, though, that is four points from the last six we've taken, playing sides who would be expected to beat us.
I get the "a point is no use" thing, but it's not true, a point and a decent performance are a small platform to maybe build on. I don't think we're going to escape relegation, but fuck it, while it is mathematically possible still, we might as well give it a go.
True. And I think that we're starting to see the benefit of Garde's approach coming through on the pitch; i think we're seeing a more pressing, snappier style of play which I like the look of.
I think we are going to be relegated, but it will be beneficial to be relegated not as a complete shitshow of a team but one that is showing that it really is a Premier League team.
It's hard to guess if we'll be able to keep the players for the Championship - I think Veretout, Ayew, Amavi, Okore and Gueye are easily good enough for Premier League - but if we go down looking like we will march straight back up with a coherent plan then I think we stand a better chance of them maybe sticking around with Garde for the year. If they do, I reckon we'll get promoted right back, as the likes of Gestede, Westwood and Sinclair are quite good enough at that level.
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The defence tended to be average at everything other than heading away - which is fine, as it goes. The problem was these good players were the only ones he ever used despite spending scores of millions on a squad, and also played an unnecessarily tiring brand of football, meaning we were completely fucked by March every year.
And by the 70th minute in every game.
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If we are going down (and we are), we need to go down fighting and second half we showed we can do that. Cant say one player really played well today, Gana perhaps, but they at least battled in that second half. Other than Ayew, a total lack of pace in the front six and that is a concern to me.
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I'm pleased for Garde and I'm equally pleased he's had the balls to stand up to players like Richards and Gabby. Something has definitely changed in terms of attitude since Wycombegate.
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Veretout's delivery at set pieces is absolutely shit. Time after time he can't clear the first man.
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If we are going down (and we are), we need to go down fighting and second half we showed we can do that. Cant say one player really played well today, Gana perhaps, but they at least battled in that second half. Other than Ayew, a total lack of pace in the front six and that is a concern to me.
Good points but for me it's not enough players having the determination to run at teams. Everything is so bloody safe.
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Again needed a knee jerk to get us going - their penalty which I can understand why it was given but it was harsh.
We looked going forward, lacked a centre forward - if only Benteke hadn't got the grass is greener infection.
Its the defence that is worrying. Why we didn't go for Sam Byrom is beyond me. Lescott showed his lack of movement with their goal. Bunn did well overall, but over a full season might see something else.
Next Saturday and the week after are 6 pointer games.
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Leicester are nowhere near as pod as our ONeill side. They're kick and run merchants with this year's Marcus Stewart.
Not sure what pod means but they were the best team I've seen turn up at Villa Park this season. The fact we made them really sweat second half is a credit to our team.
Really? This coming from the man who decreed us as a pub side under O'Neill?
They couldn't be any more one dimensional; when in possession lump the ball into the channel for quick men to chase and push up on the opposite flank to flood numbers. If you've lost the ball then chase and harry in numbers for 3-5 seconds. If you've not won it back, drop into two ranks of four, wingers tuck in and sacrifice the wide areas to protect the middle two. Retreat deeper and deeper until the opposition recycle it. Rinse and repeat.
And this has them top #bestleagueintheworldmegalulz
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Again needed a knee jerk to get us going - their penalty which I can understand why it was given but it was harsh.
We looked going forward, lacked a centre forward - if only Benteke hadn't got the grass is greener infection.
Its the defence that is worrying. Why we didn't go for Sam Byrom is beyond me. Lescott showed his lack of movement with their goal. Bunn did well overall, but over a full season might see something else.
Next Saturday and the week after are 6 pointer games.
Byram is a right back, that is going to Everton who are streets above, and better than us currently. Not sure he would sort our defence?
Lescott switched off, I think he thought Vardy was offside and the whistle would go, because he stood there in suspended animation for a second.
The comment on Veretout, his corners and free kicks have been generally good up till today, with a few assists from them, so I think it is a bit harsh to brand them shit overall. Today, woeful.
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Veretout's delivery at set pieces is absolutely shit. Time after time he can't clear the first man.
hit and miss today alright, more miss than hit in truth but he has created four goals for us from set pieces so far this season
thought we grafted very well in the second half today. clever tactical reshuffle by Garde at half time moving to a diamond in midfield helped us own the ball. Going with the twin towers up front worked well too. Think some of the commentary on Kozak is incredibly kind. Limited is putting it kindly. Just Head showed a lot more when he came in but the likes of himself, Kozak, Gil, Westwood are only subs at best really.
Gueye has a very good second half for us, Bacuna, Westwood, Okore and Ayew improved big time in the second half. But Leicester were the more polished outfit. Fair play to our lads we outfought them in the second but lack of quality up top and lack of pace in our team is glaring.
Bunn 6, Bacuna 7, Okore 7, Lescott 5, Cissokho 6, Veretout 6, Gueye 8, Westwood 6, Gil 5, Ayew 6, Kozak 4. Gestede 7
Wouldnt be surprised to see the likes of Richards, Guzan and Gabby leave the club in the next week
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Leicester are nowhere near as pod as our ONeill side. They're kick and run merchants with this year's Marcus Stewart.
Not sure what pod means but they were the best team I've seen turn up at Villa Park this season. The fact we made them really sweat second half is a credit to our team.
Really? This coming from the man who decreed us as a pub side under O'Neill?
They couldn't be any more one dimensional; when in possession lump the ball into the channel for quick men to chase and push up on the opposite flank to flood numbers. If you've lost the ball then chase and harry in numbers for 3-5 seconds. If you've not won it back, drop into two ranks of four, wingers tuck in and sacrifice the wide areas to protect the middle two. Retreat deeper and deeper until the opposition recycle it. Rinse and repeat.
Ads, I can understand you enjoying, especially having traveled so far, week in, week out, to see the boys and actually win a game but boy it was ugly. Champions League? Now that would be a real waste of money, had we qualified, despite having a top 3 budget, we'd have been kicked back to Jurassic Park in the 4th place, qualification round, in some where like Greenland.
If you can't appreciate the way Leicester played first half, no worries. But for me, they were far better than any of the plastic Manc/Scouse/London teams I've seen at Villa Park this season. Reluctant respect to their manager though their supporters (from what I heard) are still inbred twats. Somethings never change.
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Enjoyed today. Little steps for me and we're showing a better team performance now. No stand out players but the guys are working hard. We've got limited ability, especially in midfield, but I've enjoyed watching Villa for a change.
At least there's some semblance of form going into the Albion and Norwich games.
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David Moyes "The only way you can jump is to use your arms as leverage"
Yes David but you can use your arms for leverage without knocking somebodies head off you bug eyed ******.
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Veretout's delivery is a million times better than Westwood's floaty efforts. Bacuna annoyed me more today from open play. We seem to attack a lot down the right hand side because Hutton sees a lot of the ball when he plays aswell, but neither of them can cross a ball.
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Disappointed MOTD didn't have a closer look at Okazaki's swan dive in the lead up to the penalty. Still think we should have had a free kick for simulation then all this bollocks about 'what is handball' wouldn't have mattered.
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The thing that pisses me off about the decisions is the ref just didn't have a clue what to do, if Cissikhos is a handball then he has to be sent off, Mahrez was going to berry that chance, you can't give a penalty and a yellow card, its either a penalty and a red or nothing at all, the elbow to the face is just farcical, it was as blatant as they come, the ref was in a great position to see Huth swing his arm towards Kozak, luckily he was that bad that he didn't spot Gestede control the ball with arm for our equaliser. Total incompetence.
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Disappointed MOTD didn't have a closer look at Okazaki's swan dive in the lead up to the penalty. Still think we should have had a free kick for simulation then all this bollocks about 'what is handball' wouldn't have mattered.
I know, I didn't realise on my stream just how bad it was, that was fucking embarrasing, I like Okazaki too, he works his balls off but ffs what was that all about?
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I thought Leicester were meh. Just a solid and hardworking side with some decent movement up front but that's it. I'm disappointed we didn't win. They have a large number of twats in their support as well.
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Can't complain about today. Okore messed up big time for their goal. We are not getting any luck at all and selectively blind Refs to boot. 4 points from 2 games is good. Just need to keep going.
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I thought Leicester were meh. Just a solid and hardworking side with some decent movement up front but that's it. I'm disappointed we didn't win. They have a large number of twats in their support as well.
Got to agree about their fans. The first 15 minutes were all trying to take the piss. It didn't get much better. It was not helped by the crowd in the North Lower singing 'where were you when you were shit?' They are still fucking shit and always will be. Let's judge them at the end of the season. They have won nothing yet.
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In the summer Vardy and Mahrez will be off and I expect Leicester to back where they belong next season with shit players like Huth and Albrighton in their team. There is only so much you can do by hard work alone.
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Leicesters fans acting the bell ends is usual practice for these lower championsip/league 2 clubs who have a good 2 or 3 years in the Premier league and become all obnoxious and big, they'll soon fuck off when they're back to 17,000 at the Walkers against Northampton.
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Be thankful you didn't share a train to VP with them or have the joy of putting up with their 'wit' on Witton Lane for an hour and half before the game. I've seen Manure fans less smug and cocky than those bellends.
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I thought Gana was very good specially in the second half. Ayew and Vertout a little off and Albrighton for them was the man we know.
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Be thankful you didn't share a train to VP with them or have the joy of putting up with their 'wit' on Witton Lane for an hour and half before the game. I've seen Manure fans less smug and cocky than those bellends.
'Cocky' was the word I used for them. Leicester are one of those teams that trigger 'Division Two' in my mind. That is where they belong and where they will soon be, along with poxy Watford.
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You want cock, read their forum Foxes Talk. The meth is strong amongst the east Midlands bumpkins.
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I thought Leicester were meh. Just a solid and hardworking side with some decent movement up front but that's it. I'm disappointed we didn't win. They have a large number of twats in their support as well.
They're a MON side, effectively.
Big blokes at the back, defend ok, work hard, play on the counter attack, pace up front.
When they took off Mahrez and Okazaki they went to shit.
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Ozaki was taken off due to the adverse effects the stronger gravity was having on him. The diving little ******.
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Today was further proof of my belief that I've never met anyone from Leicester who wasn't a bit odd. It also showed that they really don't like us, which again just shows our potential - a club from another region, who never enter our thoughts, are afraid of us.
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I've always found it strange how local provincial clubs are genuinely obsessed with us.
Of course we meet another one next weekend. Who are so obsessed with us that I have it on good authority they were planning a minutes applause on 8 minutes to celebrate our then points haul. As they can't count to 12 they might well have to abandon it now.
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I've always found it strange how local provincial clubs are genuinely obsessed with us.
Of course we meet another one next weekend. Who are so obsessed with us that I have it on good authority they were planning a minutes applause on 8 minutes to celebrate our then points haul. As they can't count to 12 they might well have to abandon it now.
As Percy put it - clubs like Leicester, Coventry and Stoke don't like us because they know a successful Villa would knock thousands off their gates.
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Highlight for me was Arlo White on CNBC continually referring to Cunty in the Leicester midfield.
Decent result in any other context than the mire we're in at the moment.
Ha-ha I thought I was imagining that.
Don't recall Robbie Savage returning to the club where he made his name?
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Be thankful you didn't share a train to VP with them or have the joy of putting up with their 'wit' on Witton Lane for an hour and half before the game. I've seen Manure fans less smug and cocky than those bellends.
'Cocky' was the word I used for them. Leicester are one of those teams that trigger 'Division Two' in my mind. That is where they belong and where they will soon be, along with poxy Watford.
I hope you are right but one thing stands out - both Leicester and Watford seem to have owners and decision makers who are totally professional in their management of a premier league club whereas others........
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Coventry have go to be the biggest embarrassment for un-requited hatred in football. We just don't give a shit about them or their ring road, yet when you went to Highfield Road, they were like the Noses on derby day.
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Coventry have go to be the biggest embarrassment for un-requited hatred in football. We just don't give a shit about them or their ring road, yet when you went to Highfield Road, they were like the Noses on derby day.
Indeed it was as if they thought they were actually close to us in terms of stature. Of all the downsides of playing in the championship would be having the misfortune of having to play them fcukers again.
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Coventry have go to be the biggest embarrassment for un-requited hatred in football. We just don't give a shit about them or their ring road, yet when you went to Highfield Road, they were like the Noses on derby day.
Standing on my corner when we played then was always fun. They'd walk up Station Road giving it loads than as soon as they got within ten yards of Witton Lane they went very quiet.
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Can't complain about today. Okore messed up big time for their goal. We are not getting any luck at all and selectively blind Refs to boot. 4 points from 2 games is good. Just need to keep going.
I think Lescott is more to blame. Bunn made a super save from Vardy but Lescott was fast asleep as Okazaki slipped in behind to get to the rebound. He should have made been much more aware and been quicker to clear the ball.
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Best game I've seen Gana have for us. Did very well in front of the back four.
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Can't complain about today. Okore messed up big time for their goal. We are not getting any luck at all and selectively blind Refs to boot. 4 points from 2 games is good. Just need to keep going.
I think Lescott is more to blame. Bunn made a super save from Vardy but Lescott was fast asleep as Okazaki slipped in behind to get to the rebound. He should have made been much more aware and been quicker to clear the ball.
Agree on subsequent events but Okore should not have let that ball bounce allowing the racist ****** to sneak in behind him.
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Coventry, Stoke, Leicester, and dare I say Small Heath hate us because they have never been Champions of England once let alone seven times. Well long may it go on!
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Coventry, Stoke, Leicester, and dare I say Small Heath hate us because they have never been Champions of England once let alone seven times. Well long may it go on!
And they never will be. Have they won seven things between them?
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Best game I've seen Gana have for us. Did very well in front of the back four.
Against Palace he was supreme too.We may have a very effective holder type with him...just need to add another on the left.
Observations from today,Leicester,as in their fans,are still generally horrid in outlook,actions and attitude.Yes,we get the old bumpkin's having their moment in the sun......Did I imagine Vardy slapping Bacuna in front of B7?
Vertout,I'm a fan,but he needed to be replaced today,and that shows that there was no one to come on and do a job if he did...Likewise a desperately 'jobbed' Gil,whom struggled with thier close attentions..and Ayew seemed to flit in and out when we needed a big performance..
on the plus,Gana..utterly fab...Kozak worked hard for no joy...and Cissokho again give it more than we could expect from a man returning from being farmed out...Momentum is positive,on the right track with Mr Garde..Love how he prowled with intent the touchline after the forearm smash
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From the game what stands out for me is Garde has got them working harder and its reaping rewards however fundamentally we have a personnel issue which is we have any hope of surviving he needs to somehow address.
We lack pace and movement upfront , Kozak gets in good positions but has no pace at all.Sinclair and Gabby have pace but both seem well out of favour , the former's poor performance at Wycombe seems to have been last straw for Garde
Lack of goals from midfield both from lack of a midfielder who can hit long range shots and also no late runs into the box.
Crossing is generally poor from open play ( and set pieces tonight ) both Kozak and Gestede are good headers of the ball based on goals they have scored at previous clubs but we never exploit this.Signing Debaucey to play RB might help this and push Bacuna further forward who we know from his assists to Benteke he can whip a decent ball in.
Gil looks good on ball and has scored some good goals but I'm not sure he is offering enough.It doesn't help with movement in front that he has no one to thread balls to.He also lacks pace so out wide he finds it hard to get round a fullback even with his good control and skill on ball.
We need a striker and someone to score goals from midfield in the window both having pace would help too.
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I find it interesting how different the team looks in general demeanor and spirit without Guzan, Gabby and Richards. Perhaps in one, maybe two, cases that is coincidence but all three? I suspect not.
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I find it interesting how different the team looks in general demeanor and spirit without Guzan, Gabby and Richards. Perhaps in one, maybe two, cases that is coincidence but all three? I suspect not.
I would have Richards in my team any week
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I find it interesting how different the team looks in general demeanor and spirit without Guzan, Gabby and Richards. Perhaps in one, maybe two, cases that is coincidence but all three? I suspect not.
I would have Richards in my team any week
I agree, I think Richards is a team player, but not a leader. But he would be a part of my team
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From the game what stands out for me is Garde has got them working harder and its reaping rewards however fundamentally we have a personnel issue which is we have any hope of surviving he needs to somehow address.
We lack pace and movement upfront , Kozak gets in good positions but has no pace at all.Sinclair and Gabby have pace but both seem well out of favour , the former's poor performance at Wycombe seems to have been last straw for Garde
Lack of goals from midfield both from lack of a midfielder who can hit long range shots and also no late runs into the box.
Crossing is generally poor from open play ( and set pieces tonight ) both Kozak and Gestede are good headers of the ball based on goals they have scored at previous clubs but we never exploit this.Signing Debaucey to play RB might help this and push Bacuna further forward who we know from his assists to Benteke he can whip a decent ball in.
Gil looks good on ball and has scored some good goals but I'm not sure he is offering enough.It doesn't help with movement in front that he has no one to thread balls to.He also lacks pace so out wide he finds it hard to get round a fullback even with his good control and skill on ball.
We need a striker and someone to score goals from midfield in the window both having pace would help too.
I agree with the points about pace. In the past couple of games, our attacking 'unit' has been Westwood, Veretout, Gil, Ayew and Kozak. Ayew aside, there is no real pace there and it means are attacking play can be quite laboured at times. As you say, two players who might be able to help with that - Agbonlahor and Sinclair - aren't really options at the moment due to their poor efforts so far this season.
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Seeds of hope being sown, disappointed with Gill, just think he is to easily overpowered and I do not think his assists (not many) make up for the amount of ball he loses.
The guy hopefully coming in from Arsenal may steady the back line and offer something on the right flank, as I still think Bacunna is dodgy and offers nothing going forward, Veretout was poor today and I still have an unreasonable reaction to seeing Westwood in a Villa shirt.
I would go with Sanchez added to the midfield instead of Westwood, pushing Veretout further forward and allowing Ghana support from Carlos.
I also , thou I seem to be in a minority did not think we were that bad in the first half, yes alot better second, but thought we started quite brightly and the penalty save galvanized us again, before we could feel sorry for ourselves.
Beat the bitters next week and that would be a very nice 7 points from a possible 9, then we just have to hope other results go our way and we drag the likes of Norwich and one other into the mess.
Main thing is there seems to be a lot of effort and a bit of fight, maybe the players are not good enough and a goal scorer in this window is essential, but at least the last two games they have showed something that had been previously missing, well done Remi.
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Encouraging performance, the last 3 at home have all been decent. If we had someone who could cross we would be flying.
We can safely say there is no chance in a million years Leicester will win the title. They were well organised but that is it. Vardy is a bang average striker who had one atypical purple patch.
The referee was poor, but then Robert Huth has always got away with murder at Villa Park.
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Glad I always played on the forward line defenders get torn to shreds for one mistake. Leicester are a one season wonder in my book next year they will struggle but let them enjoy it while they can. Our lack of pace up front was telling and both sides gave the ball away too easily,
Different side second half so maybe the manager is having an influence.
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Apart from conceding a goal that would shame an under 10s side I thought we battled very well and deserved the point, credit to Garde for installing a little belief in them as a few weeks ago the first goal would have been the winner.
Special mention for Gana who was magnificent with Okore not far behind, credit too to Gil and Ayew who kept at it even in a frustrating game for them.
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Nice measured match report from our friends at The Mirror.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-were-complacent-against-aston-7192740
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Gueye was excellent in the second half. Cissokho coming back is a bonus,he has improved the left back position no end. However unless we get a big enforcer in the midfield to look after Gil it is pointless playing him. All in all not a bad display we have a slight chance of getting amongst the other relegation candidates if we keep this inproved form going.
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Nice measured match report from our friends at The Mirror.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-were-complacent-against-aston-7192740
I would say there are few professions I have less regard for than football 'journalists'.
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Did well 2nd half. Ref was an idiot. The Baggies will be desperate to help us down, we shouldn't let them.
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It seems to me that Remi has managed to 'patch up' some of the big problems the team has.
I wouldn't say fix, because I think it's all very fragile, but he is definitely getting there.
Fitness is improving.
Moral seems to be improving.
Confidence is growing.
Negative influences are reducing.
Unfortunately, the biggest issue that can't be easily fixed is the lack of quality.
That is going to take more time and more money.
As for last night, a very good battling performance in the second half.
The first half was utter frustration.
We started very well, then after 15 mins, we reverted to walking pace football, with no movement, no urgency and no passion. Bacuna must have played more backwards passes that any other player this season.
Second half was much better. I would have put Richards in centre mid for the last 15 mins and let him run at them.
And, Gestede and Kozak. Wow! Have we stumbled on a partnership here?
Let's face is , tippy, tappy football has not been good for us for a long, long time.
Maybe 2 big buggers up front, keep lumping it up to them and play off them with Ayew is the way to try and shake thinks up for the last 15 games or so.
After all, we have nothing to lose now.
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It seems to me that Remi has managed to 'patch up' some of the big problems the team has.
I wouldn't say fix, because I think it's all very fragile, but he is definitely getting there.
Fitness is improving.
Moral seems to be improving.
Confidence is growing.
Negative influences are reducing.
Unfortunately, the biggest issue that can't be easily fixed is the lack of quality.
That is going to take more time and more money.
As for last night, a very good battling performance in the second half.
The first half was utter frustration.
We started very well, then after 15 mins, we reverted to walking pace football, with no movement, no urgency and no passion. Bacuna must have played more backwards passes that any other player this season.
Second half was much better. I would have put Richards in centre mid for the last 15 mins and let him run at them.
And, Gestede and Kozak. Wow! Have we stumbled on a partnership here?
Let's face is , tippy, tappy football has not been good for us for a long, long time.
Maybe 2 big buggers up front, keep lumping it up to them and play off them with Ayew is the way to try and shake thinks up for the last 15 games or so.
After all, we have nothing to lose now.
Got to agree with the Gestede/Kozak pairing.
With our present limited ability to totally fail in getting through teams it certainly might be worth a go.
Baggies next week could be the ideal game for those two.
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Nice measured match report from our friends at The Mirror.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-were-complacent-against-aston-7192740
What an absolute pile of horseshit that is.Bunn should have been sent off (no he shouldn't) , Gestede's handball for the goal (which it was ) but no metion of Huth's forearm smash.What a prick.
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It will get worse next season if we go down with all the hate being thrown at us by near neighbours and those not quite as near. Nice to see Coventry lose yesterday - they are one shed of cocks we can do without. I don't actually mind the bile from Bloooooose, Wolves etc but Coventry City.
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A good result even if it wasn't the right one. We seemed to have found some belief and resilience and we made a normally decent looking Leicester side look ordinary at times. A shame the ref was dire though.
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The positive for me was we went for the win and didn't just settle back like we usually do when we score. Agree totally with all those saying Leicester are a MoN-like team - they looked just like us a few years ago.
One negative was the behaviour of a group of 20 or so "lads" in K3 who drank and smoked throughout until the second half when stewards intervened. There then ensued 10 minutes of threat and bullying towards the stewards (one bloke filming them and claiming "assault") while they tried to garner support from those of us around them. Eventually the stewards backed off and we were let with this bunch of twats bouncing around revelling in their "victory". I had an altercation with one who was saying the Leicester No 20 "eats dogs", I pointed out this was somewhat incorrect as he was Japanese to which the reply was "same thing". Seems the hoolies were out yesterday as I noticed another group of "lads" before the match being loud under the Holte.
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A few highlights from the Post Match Thread on Foxes Talk (for those watching in black and white, this is the team currently at the top of the Premier League):
We were shite.
That performance was absolutely dreadful. Villa have yet again managed to drag us down to their abysmal level and if anything I'd say over 90 minutes they were the better side.
worst game i have seen this season..
Several hours on and I still feel shit about the game. It feels worse than a defeat.
I know I'm overreacting but if our season now turns to shit ( relatively speaking)
this is the game we look back on and say " that was the turning point".
Absolute dogshite. We should of battered them the way we have been have been playing. Villa were woeful and so were we.
Worst result of the season for me. Feels terrible.
the 2nd half was atrocious
Don't want to sound too much like a negative fan because we are doing beyond my wildest dreams, top of the league in January is indescribable, but on today's game alone it was the worst I've witnessed since we came up.
we were crap end of
Fans were shit today, from where I was at the back of the stand the atmosphere was arse. Tried really hard to get it going but just crap. Worse game for ages. Gutted
In one sense, I'm hoping we get thrashed on Wednesday, as a wake up call to the rest of the players...... Play shit get whipped
We should all be seriously concerned.
Another poor performance
Christ that was awful.
That was absolutely shit.
A tired performance that. Think Vardy needs a spell out of the team
Fair result. Villa could even have nicked it.
I'm sorry, I know we've just gone top of the league and everything, but that was pathetic.
It was hard to tell who the team at the bottom was
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Not sure if it's been mentioned before but in the lower north it was like being at the darts , people walked in with pints in first half , then second half was loads with bottles . Quite bizarre , as nothing was said .
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It will get worse next season if we go down with all the hate being thrown at us by near neighbours and those not quite as near. Nice to see Coventry lose yesterday - they are one shed of cocks we can do without. I don't actually mind the bile from Bloooooose, Wolves etc but Coventry City.
Bring it on. It'll be great to be hated again.
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Nice measured match report from our friends at The Mirror.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-were-complacent-against-aston-7192740
What an absolute pile of horseshit that is.Bunn should have been sent off (no he shouldn't) , Gestede's handball for the goal (which it was ) but no metion of Huth's forearm smash.What a prick.
My son and I couldn't believe the crap Matterface and Martin were coming out with on Talksport when we were on our way home from the game. Apparently we were rubbish and Leicester should and could have won comfortably. They then praised Leicester which seemed contradictory to me. Surely if we were so bad they should have knocked them for not winning. Even my son said "they must have been at a different game to us".
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It will get worse next season if we go down with all the hate being thrown at us by near neighbours and those not quite as near. Nice to see Coventry lose yesterday - they are one shed of cocks we can do without. I don't actually mind the bile from Bloooooose, Wolves etc but Coventry City.
Bring it on. It'll be great to be hated again.
'Shed of cocks' is a magnificent term. I worked a fair bit in Coventry about ten years ago and met plenty of people who disliked Villa but their passion didn't extend to actually going to watch 'The Cov'.
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Moyes on MotD
Gestede goal was hand ball: My view. Yes it ball flew up and hit his hand, but this was not a deliberate act.
The two fore arm smashes to Kozaks face were unintentional and were not penalties. My view. An arm/elbow to the face any where else on the pitch is a foul. We should have had at least one penalty
What they missed on MotD was the altercation between Vardy and Baccuna. They squared up and Vardy pushed his head into Baccuna's face and raises his hand. Is that no longer a red card offence?
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Also - just after the 2nd Kozak possible penalty incident, the ball goes to Ayew, who I think is tripped as he comes back across the area. Nothing on that either.
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I'm flabbergasted by the amount of people suggesting we give a Kozak-Gestede strike partnership a proper whirl. I refuse to see a 20 minute cameo that was semi-effective against a Leicester side dropping deeper and deeper as reason to unleash the slowest and most technically inept forward line in the league.
Fair play to Rudy, he put himself about but his touches that led up to the goal show how limited he is and if the two of them were playing up front from the off, the opposition could hold a line midway inside our half. Trying them together would smack of the Tim Sherwood 'try anything that sort of stuck' approach. At least we know it's an option that can work against deep lying defences, but if they start together next week we'd all be scratching our heads within ten minutes.
I thought Leicester were very good in the first half. Ads is right, they have a clear game plan but it's mid January now and nobody has worked out how to stop it. They have lost just 3 of their last 31 games (Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool I believe) and have underrated players. Credit to Garde and the players for finding a way to snatch a point in the 2nd half because whereas every player turned up on Tuesday, a lot of them struggled today. Positive signs, albeit ones that come far too late.
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Nice measured match report from our friends at The Mirror.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-were-complacent-against-aston-7192740
What an absolute pile of horseshit that is.Bunn should have been sent off (no he shouldn't) , Gestede's handball for the goal (which it was ) but no metion of Huth's forearm smash.What a prick.
Definitely off topic but under that article was another one showing the Bin Dippers arriving at their hotel (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-players-arrive-team-hotel-7193348) They were all wearing LFC branded hoodies even Klopp (to be fair, he was holding his suit bag). Bunch of scruffs!
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Sports Direct must have a sale on.
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Leicester reminded me of us under O'Neill when we were 3rd/4th. Sit deep, play on the break/hoof, very direct, work hard, get the best out of average players. Effective but boring and will get found out eventually.
I don't think Young, Milner, Barry, Petrov, Carew were average players
Those were the days my friend..............
Did they really happen?
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Moyes on MotD
Gestede goal was hand ball: My view. Yes it ball flew up and hit his hand, but this was not a deliberate act.
The two fore arm smashes to Kozaks face were unintentional and were not penalties. My view. An arm/elbow to the face any where else on the pitch is a foul. We should have had at least one penalty
What they missed on MotD was the altercation between Vardy and Baccuna. They squared up and Vardy pushed his head into Baccuna's face and raises his hand. Is that no longer a red card offence?
Bacuna should've gone down clutching his face, the idiot.
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Decent 2nd half and we were denied a stonewall penalty when Huth deliberately and maliciously smashed Kozak in the face. David Moyes has really gone down in my opinion after his bizarre assessment of that incident. Veretout had a shocker giving the ball away constantly and seems to have been taking lessons off Westwood on how to take a shit corner. We needed a win but a draw under the current circumstances was a good one. And Claudio Ranieri has proved that actually you CAN polish a turd.
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Nice measured match report from our friends at The Mirror.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-were-complacent-against-aston-7192740
I would say there are few professions I have less regard for than football 'journalists'.
What are you on about? That's a very good report by Leicester Mercury 😬
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Moyes what a c*** of a pundit. He had decided how he was going to call it and then found words to describe that. Why not call it as you see it you are not the manager of Leicester City you arsehole? I wish BBC wouldn't waste our money on these word munchers!
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Awful analysis on Goals on Sunday.
No debate about Cissokho's hand ball or kozak's penalty claim just that Gestede was rewarded for a poor touch.
I didn't realise that handballs were decided upon your level of skill.
I don't know why I was surprised though.
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The season's agenda has been set - Leicester are the plucky underdogs doing well and we're the "serves them right" crisis club. Everything will be moulded around that.
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The season's agenda has been set - Leicester are the plucky underdogs doing well and we're the "serves them right" crisis club. Everything will be moulded around that.
That's annoyingly true.
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Wish a miracle could happen and we stay up to piss these journalists off. It would be like the corpse climbing out of the coffin and smashing the undertaker in the face.
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You are absolutely right DW. There is very little, if any, objective reporting in the mass media any more, especially in sport. Every topic is allocated an angle. What is said or written by the vast majority of journalists is a reaffirmation of the allotted angle. The BBC see is as the unwritten page in their charter that those they embrace and employ will shape the opinions of the masses.
In the circles in which I move the standard perceived truth is that Villa signed a bunch of crap French players in the summer, now they are paying for it. Where did all these opinionated majority get their truth? From the papers, the radio and the television.
We are indeed the "serves them right" club. Not least of all for being so beastly to four football media sucklings, O'Neill, McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood.
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I'm flabbergasted by the amount of people suggesting we give a Kozak-Gestede strike partnership a proper whirl. I refuse to see a 20 minute cameo that was semi-effective against a Leicester side dropping deeper and deeper as reason to unleash the slowest and most technically inept forward line in the league.
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Unless our tempo improves Villa will continue to be a comfortable opposition for teams.
Time and again this season Villa have barely laid a glove on sides with the such slow build up in our play.
With whats available to Garde at the moment, whats wrong with giving them both a go with Ayew buzzing around behind them?
Especially against big physical fuckers like the Baggies.
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If Moyes managed a team where his centre forward had been basically assaulted twice, he'd be on MOTD with his eyes bulging out of their sockets in protest.
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If Moyes managed a team where his centre forward had been basically assaulted twice, he'd be on MOTD with his eyes bulging out of their sockets in protest.
Haha.
Just like at the end of Total Recall😅.
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If Moyes managed a team where his centre forward had been basically assaulted twice, he'd be on MOTD with his eyes bulging out of their sockets in protest.
Haha.
Just like at the end of Total Recall😅.
Or even the start.
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Forget about the simplistic Mirror and their like , not all Press reports are negative :.......Godzvilla!
Sunday Times :
"MOST have given up on Aston Villa but not, it seems, themselves. They deserved their draw from this full-blooded Midlands derby and, even if their position at the bottom of the table looks hopeless, they’ve not given up. Dead men still running.
On paper, it was top versus bottom. But a stranger to the Premier League last night wouldn’t have guessed that. These were evenly-matched teams, muscular and honest, every ball fought for like it was the only one. Villa would have felt they could have taken all three points because their fervour had Leicester on the ropes in the second half ".
The Indy on Sunday :[/i]
" Villa played with such spirit and determination that Leicester were pinned in their own territory for much of the second half. So when the equaliser came from substitute Rudy Gestede with 15 minutes left it was no more than the home side deserved, not least because they had strong claims for a penalty turned down by referee Roger East.
The wind in Villa’s sails was so strong by this time that had they scored again it would not have come as a surprise. As it was, Leicester denied them any further chances and lead the pack again at least until Arsenal play this afternoon. As for Villa, history says that they will be relegated with so few points at this stage but Rémi Garde at last seems to have found a way to make them fight".
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Nice reading, particularly the last sentence. IMO we have, with an unchanged team, out-fought two of the hardest working teams in the division within five days. Remi seems to have got to them somehow.
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Leics was happy for us to have the ball as they know we didn't have the nous or know how to play the type of footie garde wants us to play.
Soon as we fucked up they was spraying the ball forward for vardy and that's all they got nothing more and teams are sussing them out.
So going with the Kozak rudy option takes away that possession type footie that is not going to get us out the shite.
It might not work but it created mayhem at times in the defence that was top of the league
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Nice reading, particularly the last sentence. IMO we have, with an unchanged team, out-fought two of the hardest working teams in the division within five days. Remi seems to have got to them somehow.
The fan beasting at Wycombe has probably helped too.
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We are getting there. Almost certainly too late for this season but Garde is giving me hope that he can get us playing. He seems to have sorted the wheat from the chaff and those wearing the shirt are giving it a proper go.
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Why after upteemth set plays did Leo Bacuna not get on them ahead of veretout. Veretout was very poor yesterday with sloppy passing and poor delivery only twice did he whip in to decent plays.
Lescott on whole was steady and okore too but were wanting along with Bacuna for the okasaki goal. Bunn is clearly to me second rate and has little business in the team so the quicker a gk is signed the better.
Kozak lacked conviction for finish after huth mistake but won many a flick. He's also tentative physically , perhaps from his horrific injury, but was often out muscled. Libor did lumber around with some purpose.
Ghana was better second half after being sloppy first and there were parts of play which were encouraging. It's always exciting watching ayew but would like to see more drive from others. At time there were some nice, decent patient play but lack of quality and creativity saw amount to nothing.
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Veretout was off his game yesterday for the first time in weeks.Hopefully he will be back on it for the WBA game.
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Rest him for the Wycombe game, he looked tired.
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Veretout was off his game yesterday for the first time in weeks.Hopefully he will be back on it for the WBA game.
I thought he was far better than Westwood and Gana first half but they were quite a bit better than him second.
I thought we battled really well particularly second half and deserved the point against what is currently a good team. Keep it up and it will at least not look so embarrassing at the end of the season and may give us a bit of hope for next.
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If we had 1 or 2 players with a bit of quality yesterday we could've won it. Just didn't really have anything in attack to cause too much trouble for them. Can't knock the workrate tbf. It's all a bit too little late too late for me still.
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Surprised by the lack of Bunn-love here. The penalty save was what turned it for us.
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I'm flabbergasted by the amount of people suggesting we give a Kozak-Gestede strike partnership a proper whirl. I refuse to see a 20 minute cameo that was semi-effective against a Leicester side dropping deeper and deeper as reason to unleash the slowest and most technically inept forward line in the league.
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Unless our tempo improves Villa will continue to be a comfortable opposition for teams.
Time and again this season Villa have barely laid a glove on sides with the such slow build up in our play.
With whats available to Garde at the moment, whats wrong with giving them both a go with Ayew buzzing around behind them?
Especially against big physical fuckers like the Baggies.
Personally, I thought we conceded midfield once we went with those two, which wasn't a major problem as they'd took a forward off to bring a defender on and their game bypasses midfield.
Against anyone else I think we'd be in big trouble.
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Surprised by the lack of Bunn-love here. The penalty save was what turned it for us.
as the self appointed bigest fan of Guzan on here,
I think Bunn has had three good games for us on the trot, in fairness he hasn't had an awfull lot to deal with but he's done well imo
I was particularly impressed with the way he handled/punched the corners away at Wycombe, their corners were the best and most dangerous we have faced this season
I'm not saying he is the goalkeeping future at Villa, but he is better than I thought he was after his earlier efforts
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Surprised by the lack of Bunn-love here. The penalty save was what turned it for us.
Agreed. Would've been an entirely different game if they'd put that pen away.
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How can anyone say a player (bunn) is second rate if he is never given a chance.
You surely have to give them that chance and make a decision after so many games, someone somewhere had to give Cech,de gea etc a chance
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I've watched it back, and the decision not to give the penalty for the foul on Kozak is really pissing me off. If we'd have beaten Leicester, it would have given us a huge amount of confidence, and of course 6 points from safety looks a lot different to 9. We've been crap enough ourselves without shite referees making it harder for us.
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Surprised by the lack of Bunn-love here. The penalty save was what turned it for us.
Everyone loves Bunns.
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I like the idea of Bunn-love!
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I've always found it strange how local provincial clubs are genuinely obsessed with us.
Of course we meet another one next weekend. Who are so obsessed with us that I have it on good authority they were planning a minutes applause on 8 minutes to celebrate our then points haul. As they can't count to 12 they might well have to abandon it now.
As Percy put it - clubs like Leicester, Coventry and Stoke don't like us because they know a successful Villa would knock thousands off their gates.
To be fair we are generally liked in Stoke. I see the point though but think it's more an anti-Birmingham thing and we're just the biggest club in Birmingham.
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Our small time neighbours apart, Wolves, Coventry and Leicester all hate us. Bless.
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Interesting that our last two performances, contributing 25% of our total points haul have come sans Micah.
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I lived and worked in Leicester around the time Sir Brian left that hell hole to return like the messiah figure he is, and they were a little bit upset. The crisp-munching, Lineker-fellating, shit-accented twats.
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I lived and worked in Leicester around the time Sir Brian left that hell hole to return like the messiah figure he is, and they were a little bit upset. The crisp-munching, Lineker-fellating, shit-accented twats.
I'm not having that. You missed out Kasabian-loving.
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One day this week at number one in the most read stories on the BBC website was Gary Lineker's divorce. Sigh.
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I've watched it back, and the decision not to give the penalty for the foul on Kozak is really pissing me off. If we'd have beaten Leicester, it would have given us a huge amount of confidence, and of course 6 points from safety looks a lot different to 9. We've been crap enough ourselves without shite referees making it harder for us.
Agreed. Though never a fan of David Moyes, he went even further down in my estimation this morning on MOTD II claiming neither assaults on Kozak were a penalty.
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Interesting that our last two performances, contributing 25% of our total points haul have come sans Micah.
We've got SIXTEEN POINTS!?
We are staying up! Say we are staying up!
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... The crisp-munching, Lineker-fellating, shit-accented twats.
They still speak well of you, Risso
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We are to the midlands what Leeds are to Yorkshire, by far the biggest club around and the rivals hate both for it, even during hard times.
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I've watched it back, and the decision not to give the penalty for the foul on Kozak is really pissing me off. If we'd have beaten Leicester, it would have given us a huge amount of confidence, and of course 6 points from safety looks a lot different to 9. We've been crap enough ourselves without shite referees making it harder for us.
Agreed. Though never a fan of David Moyes, he went even further down in my estimation this morning on MOTD II claiming neither assaults on Kozak were a penalty.
Some on here have said he turned us down, maybe we turned him down and he's feeling rather bitter about it. He was spouting nonsense, which is very acceptable on MOTD.
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Interesting that our last two performances, contributing 25% of our total points haul have come sans Micah.
We've got SIXTEEN POINTS!?
We are staying up! Say we are staying up!
Just giving you heads up for the next two games...
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Interesting that our last two performances, contributing 25% of our total points haul have come sans Micah.
We've got SIXTEEN POINTS!?
We are staying up! Say we are staying up!
Just giving you heads up for the next two games...
I was surprised Risso missed it.
*makes note to ignore his posts on Villa's accounts*
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I lived and worked in Leicester around the time Sir Brian left that hell hole to return like the messiah figure he is, and they were a little bit upset. The crisp-munching, Lineker-fellating, shit-accented twats.
That's enough of the praise do they have any bad points?
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Interesting that our last two performances, contributing 25% of our total points haul have come sans Micah.
We've got SIXTEEN POINTS!?
We are staying up! Say we are staying up!
Just giving you heads up for the next two games...
I was surprised Risso missed it.
*makes note to ignore his posts on Villa's accounts*
If we'd have beaten Leicester, it would have given us a huge amount of confidence, and of course 6 points from safety looks a lot different to 9.
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Interesting that our last two performances, contributing 25% of our total points haul have come sans Micah.
We've got SIXTEEN POINTS!?
We are staying up! Say we are staying up!
Just giving you heads up for the next two games...
I was surprised Risso missed it.
*makes note to ignore his posts on Villa's accounts*
If we'd have beaten Leicester, it would have given us a huge amount of confidence, and of course 6 points from safety looks a lot different to 9.
Oh dear. Refresher course?
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I thought we played well - esp - second half - overall a draw was probably a fair result as they probably shaded the first half. It could have gone either way after we equalised, but perhaps we need to look at starting with Kozak AND Gestede up front at the Baggies. Maybe not the conventional passing football you feel Remi wants us playing - but it's all points from now until May.
I still think we CAN get out of this, and without stating the obvious we do need to win at least 8 or 9 of the remaining games. Saturday has to be one of them and maybe Watford can help us by keeping Swansea where they are tonight.
VTID
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I've always found it strange how local provincial clubs are genuinely obsessed with us.
Of course we meet another one next weekend. Who are so obsessed with us that I have it on good authority they were planning a minutes applause on 8 minutes to celebrate our then points haul. As they can't count to 12 they might well have to abandon it now.
As Percy put it - clubs like Leicester, Coventry and Stoke don't like us because they know a successful Villa would knock thousands off their gates.
To be fair we are generally liked in Stoke. I see the point though but think it's more an anti-Birmingham thing and we're just the biggest club in Birmingham.
I don't think fans of other local clubs hate us because of a concern that their gates would be affected if we were successful. I can't imagine that ever being a consideration when it comes to football rivalries and hostilities. For me, these other local clubs hate us because we think our club is superior to theirs. And they are right to think we think that and we are right to think that. My experience is that we are perceived locally as a conceited, arrogant bunch of fans. I'm fine with that. It really annoys them.
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Just back home after an extended weekender...and just finished reading the thread.
Overall I thought we were the better side and but for a total twat of a ref - Huth's assault on Kozak was as clear as day - and the lack of a Defoe/Bent kind of striker to tap a few of those balls in - could easily have won that.
Another stupid goal conceded, Bunn saving the penalty was justice - ref is twat - as was Rudi's hand of God moment.
I thought we played some good stuff at times - Veretout below par for this game and his corners/free kicks in 2nd half all wasted...he looked fu*ked for the last 30 mins...Gana was excellent, Westy ok. Kozak was a handful for their CBs, won most in the air but no-one near enough to him to make the most of nod-ons. Rudi took his goal well.
Thought Leicester were incredibly one-dimensional...long ball after long ball, even though they've got some pretty skilful players who they largely by-passed. How the fu*k are they top of the league? Effective at what they do, obviously!
Felt to me like we dropped 2 points.
Did I mention the ref at all?
Weak, twatty wa*ker.
(even my Geordie NUFC-supporting mate made this point, without prompting!)
Not sure about Gestede and Kozak together up front, but we need to have a good go at the Baggies...our last 2 PL games have shown that "good" teams are only as good as you let them be.