Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: aj2k77 on December 31, 2015, 12:46:10 PM
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Ok so we haven't won at home in a club record length of time. We haven't won at all for a club record length of time. We are statistically the worst side ppg in the entire league for the past 5 and a half years. We are relegated. Despite all this we are still averaging 36,000 and the players, coaches and board have barely come in for any abuse.
I think that in recognition for what has been served up, next season there should be some sort of reduction for season ticket holders, something like 20% reduction if you've held your ticket for 5 years, 10% reduction if you've had one this season and renew. I know it would cost the club important revenue, especially seeing as we only have parachute payments next year but there does need to be some kind of recognition for the loyal fans who have stuck behind the club during one of it's worst periods in its history.
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They should do something but they won't. They know we will be there regardless, so will continue to assume we are all simple (may have a point) and continue to take the piss.
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We'll play more home games "if" we go down so I doubt if they'll be a price reduction.
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We'll play more home games "if" we go down so I doubt if they'll be a price reduction.
It would be a nice gesture from them if they recognised the backing the multi millionaires have received over the past half a decade, it would probably equate to less that a quarter of Gabbys annual salary.
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Agreed but not sure it'll hapen. To think we've the worst home record of any professional club in England over the last 4 seasons and not won at home at all this season to still average 36k is absolutely fantastic.
For better or for worse we dont complain, we turn up. Anyone anywhere that honestly thinks we're fickle is a fucking idiot.
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Keep dreaming..
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And yet the players are apparently nervous about playing in front of their own fans!! There should be a reduction in prices, despite there being more games to watch. We are having to go from steak to corn beef, I am happy to pay good money for steak but not for corn beef.
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And yet the players are apparently nervous about playing in front of their own fans!! There should be a reduction in prices, despite there being more games to watch. We are having to go from steak to corn beef, I am happy to pay good money for steak but not for corn beef.
Corned beef? We've been getting spam for 5 years
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Luncheon meat with the occasional bit of haslet and brawn.
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based on how much of our revenue comes from st sales i have thought for years that we should charge no more than 400 quid for a st, get 30k plus st holders and get close to capacity week in week out
like everything else to do with the club that ship has long since sailed
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A few of my mates aren't renewing next year, but using other friends' ST refs to buy away season tickets instead and just enjoy the travels. They may have the right idea.
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The club should be laying on free coaches for all away games as of right now to give us a fighting chancing of picking up as many points as possible on our travels - but it isn't. I just don't get what kind of thinking goes on behind the scenes. At the moment there is a sense of disconnect between the marketing/ticketing people and the support.
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I think you'll find that the marketing/commercial departments are in a state of some disarray. Without venturing too far down the road of ITK and such like, I think the phrase relating rats & sinking ships is rather apt.
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Would imagine the same arrogance that has been applied to our Premier League status would also apply to the attitude to fans in the Championship.
With the hole in the revenue stream from not being in the Prem & very little in the way of playing assets to sell the chances of any generosity towards the fans must be fairly slim.
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This is something I just don't get
You buy your ticket/season ticket to watch the Villa win lose or draw . Why should the club reimburse people becouse were pretty shit atm.?
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According to Sky (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/9868753/premier-league-cheapest-and-most-expensive-season-ticket-prices-for-the-201516-season) our adult ST prices range from £335-615. This is pretty much par for the course in the Championship, according to a breakdown of Championship ticket costs half way down this article in the Grauniad (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/sep/03/championship-ticket-prices-52-pounds-game). The club won't reduce the cost of a ST just because we drop down a division. In fact it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they try to justify an increase by saying they'll sell fewer ST's, we get more home games and they have more match day costs due to the increase in games.
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This is something I just don't get
You buy your ticket/season ticket to watch the Villa win lose or draw . Why should the club reimburse people becouse were pretty shit atm.?
Entertainment industry, zero entertainment, extremely poor product, goodwill gesture towards long time loyal customers.
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Buying a season ticket is always a gamble - I have never expected anything back and have received almost exactly that for the last 5 seasons
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This is something I just don't get
You buy your ticket/season ticket to watch the Villa win lose or draw . Why should the club reimburse people becouse were pretty shit atm.?
Entertainment industry, zero entertainment, extremely poor product, goodwill gesture towards long time loyal customers.
If your not happy with what they're serving up ... Don't go or don't renew !
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A few of my mates aren't renewing next year, but using other friends' ST refs to buy away season tickets instead and just enjoy the travels. They may have the right idea.
i am doing that this season , mainly because its hard to get time off work for midweek night matches
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Buying a season ticket is always a gamble - I have never expected anything back and have received almost exactly that for the last 5 seasons
Fair enough, there will be a lot that out of loyalty would renew no matter what. There are also people who will look at what they've paid for and think fuck that I might as well set fire to £500. We don't need to offer incentives but I wouldn't be surprised if season tickets are well down again next season.
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This is something I just don't get
You buy your ticket/season ticket to watch the Villa win lose or draw . Why should the club reimburse people becouse were pretty shit atm.?
Entertainment industry, zero entertainment, extremely poor product, goodwill gesture towards long time loyal customers.
If your not happy with what they're serving up ... Don't go or don't renew !
Which will be good for our attendances and fan base wouldn't it?
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I do love how not reducing prices/giving things away equates to not caring about the support. I shall try that next time I'm in a pub.
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This is something I just don't get
You buy your ticket/season ticket to watch the Villa win lose or draw . Why should the club reimburse people becouse were pretty shit atm.?
Entertainment industry, zero entertainment, extremely poor product, goodwill gesture towards long time loyal customers.
If your not happy with what they're serving up ... Don't go or don't renew !
Which will be good for our attendances and fan base wouldn't it?
This is something I just don't get
You buy your ticket/season ticket to watch the Villa win lose or draw . Why should the club reimburse people becouse were pretty shit atm.?
Entertainment industry, zero entertainment, extremely poor product, goodwill gesture towards long time loyal customers.
If your not happy with what they're serving up ... Don't go or don't renew !
Well as our crowds seem to be holding up pretty well the club could argue that they're obviously giving good value for money.
Which will be good for our attendances and fan base wouldn't it?
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Just think how the much the club are saving in win bonuses this season
Surely they could use some of that to reduce Sth prices
What you reckon guys
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I've said all along that our club's support have been incredible throughout our steady decline to where we find ourselves now. 38000+ against West Ham, an unfashionable midtable club, over ninety percent of them Villa.
Stan Collymore suggested season ticket price reductions for our "long-suffering" fans, although I doubt he's actually costed that against the lost of PL television revenue.
One thing about not being in the PL is our ticket money will be more important to the club.
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Our home crowds will obviously drop when we go down. If we're top of the league then crowds will be higher and we'll get some good crowds towards the end of the season if nearing promotion. No matter the league, everyone would rather be watching a winning team. I'd rather go and watch us beat MK Dons and play decent football, than pay £40 to watch us surrender meekly against Man Utd.
Away from home our support will increase if we're doing well. New grounds to visit, cheaper tickets, big allocations and the novelty factor.
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ST prices will probably stay the same- more games blar blar.
Don't count on many bargain prices away from home, teams will see us like a stolen credit card.
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Our home crowds will obviously drop when we go down. If we're top of the league then crowds will be higher and we'll get some good crowds towards the end of the season if nearing promotion. No matter the league, everyone would rather be watching a winning team. I'd rather go and watch us beat MK Dons and play decent football, than pay £40 to watch us surrender meekly against Man Utd.
Away from home our support will increase if we're doing well. New grounds to visit, cheaper tickets, big allocations and the novelty factor.
Absolutely right & a good way of making a positive out of the negatives of these last 5+ years. The support this club still gets is nothing short of fantastic, so let's hope folk will have something that better reflects their loyalty & ambitions in the coming Championship campaign & beyond.
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This is something I just don't get
You buy your ticket/season ticket to watch the Villa win lose or draw . Why should the club reimburse people becouse were pretty shit atm.?
I have to say I agree entirely. I've personally always attended more in hope than expectation and the notion of the fans "deserving" better is a fantasy.
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Our home crowds will obviously drop when we go down. If we're top of the league then crowds will be higher and we'll get some good crowds towards the end of the season if nearing promotion. No matter the league, everyone would rather be watching a winning team. I'd rather go and watch us beat MK Dons and play decent football, than pay £40 to watch us surrender meekly against Man Utd.
Away from home our support will increase if we're doing well. New grounds to visit, cheaper tickets, big allocations and the novelty factor.
Absolutely right & a good way of making a positive out of the negatives of these last 5+ years. The support this club still gets is nothing short of fantastic, so let's hope folk will have something that better reflects their loyalty & ambitions in the coming Championship campaign & beyond.
I used to go away all the time, now I just pick and choose mainly due to ticket prices and the fact the football is dire. A few of my mates, my old man and a few of his mates have all stopped going away, they've all said they'll return when we go down. It will be good to visit new grounds and actually have a chance of winning the game. Watching us lose at Old Trafford and Etihad every season and paying £45 for the privilege is boring and as such our away numbers to those games has dwindled.
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I think the ticket price at Villa is pretty reasonable when you compare to other forms of entertainment and lots of other Pl clubs.
It's the football that is the problem.
Put it another way, I have not heard any one say that the main reason for not going was money except those that have fallen on hard or difficult times financially.
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An apology would be something.
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I think it's time we brought back the old classic "Always look on the bright side of life..." at games.
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I think it's time we brought back the old classic "Always look on the bright side of life..." at games.
Plus 'we'll meet again, don't know where don't know when' but not sung in the same sense as before unfortunately.
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Our home crowds will obviously drop when we go down. If we're top of the league then crowds will be higher and we'll get some good crowds towards the end of the season if nearing promotion. No matter the league, everyone would rather be watching a winning team. I'd rather go and watch us beat MK Dons and play decent football, than pay £40 to watch us surrender meekly against Man Utd.
Away from home our support will increase if we're doing well. New grounds to visit, cheaper tickets, big allocations and the novelty factor.
spot on QV
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ST prices will probably stay the same- more games blar blar.
Don't count on many bargain prices away from home, teams will see us like a stolen credit card.
spot on
and as far as big allocations go yes there will be odd ones like mk dons and fulham which will be high but the majority will be 3k or less
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ST prices will probably stay the same- more games blar blar.
Don't count on many bargain prices away from home, teams will see us like a stolen credit card.
spot on
and as far as big allocations go yes there will be odd ones like mk dons and fulham which will be high but the majority will be 3k or less
What I'm saying though is these days we take a lot of sub 3k followings due to stupid initial allocations, prices and crap football. Southampton we took 1900 for a Saturday 3pm. I realise only a few weeks after we played them in the cup but still if we played them in the Championship and we were playing well and near the top we would sell out easily.
These days we only take around 1500 to places like Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd. Going to the same grounds every season, knowing we won't win and paying £45+ has wore thin.
The example I'll use is Middlesbrough. In the Premier League their following to Villa was usually crap/average, as it was to a lot of places. Now they're in the Championship and near the top they're taking thousands away, they took 7000 to Blackburn last season.
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The club should be laying on free coaches for all away games as of right now to give us a fighting chancing of picking up as many points as possible on our travels - but it isn't. I just don't get what kind of thinking goes on behind the scenes. At the moment there is a sense of disconnect between the marketing/ticketing people and the support.
I don't know how often they do it, but the first 5 coaches are free for West Ham and they have done it for others games but like I said, how many i'm not sure. I don't agree with your second point about the disconnect though.
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I, too, no longer have a ST. I pick and choose games to suit myself now. No more evening matches if I have work the next day, for example.
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The club should be laying on free coaches for all away games as of right now to give us a fighting chancing of picking up as many points as possible on our travels - but it isn't. I just don't get what kind of thinking goes on behind the scenes. At the moment there is a sense of disconnect between the marketing/ticketing people and the support.
Another example of people complaining about a non issue for the sake of complaining about something and making connection between this and the deeper malaise at the club.
I have no idea why so many equate extra support with extra points. I have been part of a 3,000 strong travelling contingent that has seen us beaten out of sight often enough to know that this isn't the case. I'd sooner they subsidise a few pre match pints to be honest.
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It's a difficult job for the club to market us at the moment. Why choose to pay thirty quid to watch Villa lose when you can pay a tenner to watch Star Wars, for example? But the club will do something, I expect, like an ST price freeze. Something which I took full advantage of when I was a swinging bachelor was the late "game for a tenner/twenty quid" type offers in 2010/11. I think the most I paid for a game that season was thirty to see the draw against United. Great game. I reckon we'll see a fair few of those in a Championship season. There may be stupid people at the club but the club isn't stupid - they know we hate what's happening, they know we're embarrassed. They're probably bricking it trying to think of a way to market a game against Huddersfield as a mouthwatering clash.
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The club should be laying on free coaches for all away games as of right now to give us a fighting chancing of picking up as many points as possible on our travels - but it isn't. I just don't get what kind of thinking goes on behind the scenes. At the moment there is a sense of disconnect between the marketing/ticketing people and the support.
Another example of people complaining about a non issue for the sake of complaining about something and making connection between this and the deeper malaise at the club.
I have no idea why so many equate extra support with extra points. I have been part of a 3,000 strong travelling contingent that has seen us beaten out of sight often enough to know that this isn't the case. I'd sooner they subsidise a few pre match pints to be honest.
yeah Leicesters owners laid on free beer for Leicester fans at Leicesters ground the other night against man city
and its not the first time they've done it
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The club should be laying on free coaches for all away games as of right now to give us a fighting chancing of picking up as many points as possible on our travels - but it isn't. I just don't get what kind of thinking goes on behind the scenes. At the moment there is a sense of disconnect between the marketing/ticketing people and the support.
Another example of people complaining about a non issue for the sake of complaining about something and making connection between this and the deeper malaise at the club.
I have no idea why so many equate extra support with extra points. I have been part of a 3,000 strong travelling contingent that has seen us beaten out of sight often enough to know that this isn't the case. I'd sooner they subsidise a few pre match pints to be honest.
yeah Leicesters owners laid on free beer for Leicester fans at Leicesters ground the other night against man city
and its not the first time they've done it
It was the sponsors who donated it, but never mind.
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The club should be laying on free coaches for all away games as of right now to give us a fighting chancing of picking up as many points as possible on our travels - but it isn't. I just don't get what kind of thinking goes on behind the scenes. At the moment there is a sense of disconnect between the marketing/ticketing people and the support.
Another example of people complaining about a non issue for the sake of complaining about something and making connection between this and the deeper malaise at the club.
I have no idea why so many equate extra support with extra points. I have been part of a 3,000 strong travelling contingent that has seen us beaten out of sight often enough to know that this isn't the case. I'd sooner they subsidise a few pre match pints to be honest.
yeah Leicesters owners laid on free beer for Leicester fans at Leicesters ground the other night against man city
and its not the first time they've done it
It was the sponsors who donated it, but never mind.
Gotta tell you, I could sure use some accounting software right now.
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The club should be laying on free coaches for all away games as of right now to give us a fighting chancing of picking up as many points as possible on our travels - but it isn't. I just don't get what kind of thinking goes on behind the scenes. At the moment there is a sense of disconnect between the marketing/ticketing people and the support.
Another example of people complaining about a non issue for the sake of complaining about something and making connection between this and the deeper malaise at the club.
I have no idea why so many equate extra support with extra points. I have been part of a 3,000 strong travelling contingent that has seen us beaten out of sight often enough to know that this isn't the case. I'd sooner they subsidise a few pre match pints to be honest.
yeah Leicesters owners laid on free beer for Leicester fans at Leicesters ground the other night against man city
and its not the first time they've done it
It was the sponsors who donated it, but never mind.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11712/10113794/leicester-owners-reward-foxes-fans-with-a-free-beer
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...courtesy of the club's sponsors Singha...
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The club should be laying on free coaches for all away games as of right now to give us a fighting chancing of picking up as many points as possible on our travels - but it isn't. I just don't get what kind of thinking goes on behind the scenes. At the moment there is a sense of disconnect between the marketing/ticketing people and the support.
Another example of people complaining about a non issue for the sake of complaining about something and making connection between this and the deeper malaise at the club.
I have no idea why so many equate extra support with extra points. I have been part of a 3,000 strong travelling contingent that has seen us beaten out of sight often enough to know that this isn't the case. I'd sooner they subsidise a few pre match pints to be honest.
yeah Leicesters owners laid on free beer for Leicester fans at Leicesters ground the other night against man city
and its not the first time they've done it
It was the sponsors who donated it, but never mind.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11712/10113794/leicester-owners-reward-foxes-fans-with-a-free-beer
Yes, the phrase "courtesy of the club's sponsors Singha" was the giveaway.
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Let's hope Davenports are reading this.
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Let's hope Davenports are reading this.
Or if Mita are still out there, our office photocopier is shite, hint hint.
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Could Muller improve the half-time food selection at all?
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Magnificent today. Sunderland fans saying we were the best there this season.
We're down now but let's go down with our heads held high. Let Lerner know what we think, let the players know if they're not giving 100% but let's be proud and loud everywhere we go.
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I am amazed and respect any fan who can be bothered to go to games for the rest of this season. Good on you.
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All that way and the players snub you
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Let's hope Davenports are reading this.
Or Bells. Bottle of whiskey for each attending fan. That'll numb the pain a bit.
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All that way and the players snub you
they are filth the lot of them. What is the point in supporting them and giving them your cash? ill be interested to see how hard they try next week against wycombe
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So a fan offers an opinion and gets attitude off a playerx missus.
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I'd tell her to shove the boots up her arsehole, her old mans a fucking plodder end of story.
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MAYBE next home game, those of us that are there,
can tell lerner what we think??
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Maybe she won't be so far up her own arse when she is married to a 'not a premier league footballer'.
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In fairness, some of the stories about the abuse Westwood and his family have been given when they've been out as a family i'm not surprised his wife is saying something.
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In fairness, some of the stories about the abuse Westwood and his family have been given when they've been out as a family i'm not surprised his wife is saying something.
What stories?
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If I were Westwood I'd consider myself a very lucky boy that somehow I'd ended up raking it in at Aston Villa even thought I can barely get a football off the ground.
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behind every great man theres a great woman ;)
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His missus probably takes a better corner.
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If I were Westwood I'd consider myself a very lucky boy that somehow I'd ended up raking it in at Aston Villa even thought I can barely get a football off the ground.
It doesn't excuse personal abuse though.
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If I were Westwood I'd consider myself a very lucky boy that somehow I'd ended up raking it in at Aston Villa even thought I can barely get a football off the ground.
It doesn't excuse personal abuse though.
No it doesn't. I'm curious to know what happened though.
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MAYBE next home game, those of us that are there,
can tell lerner what we think??
If it helps get some of the frustration out then I'd certainly say "go for it".
Unfortunately, I'd be astonished if he ever hears about it - as he sure as hell won't be listening.
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His missus probably takes a better corner.
she cant be better than him at pointing surely
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Wife in supporting husband who is having a hard time at work shocker!
Come on. She is just doing what any loving spouse would do. Leave her be.
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It is not Westwoods fault, I don't think he lacks effort, just talent.
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I don't doubt for a second she's right about Westwood caring.
He's just cack
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Abusing people doesn't help anyone
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Abusing people doesn't help anyone
I agree.
Of course Westwood cares.
He's just not good enough.
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Although he's pretty good at pointing at people as they run away from him.
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So a fan offers an opinion and gets attitude off a playerx missus.
There is nothing in this that say 'attitude' to me. It is a response. In neither response has she been abusive, and in both she has acknowledgesd the fan's perspective. I understand that he has had to stop going out with his family due the abuse he gets from fans. These responses are the least I would expect from her as his wife.
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He doesn't deserve that, some really nasty people around
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So a fan offers an opinion and gets attitude off a playerx missus.
There is nothing in this that say 'attitude' to me. It is a response. In neither response has she been abusive, and in both she has acknowledgesd the fan's perspective. I understand that he has had to stop going out with his family due the abuse he gets from fans. These responses are the least I would expect from her as his wife.
Seriously?
To paraphrase: You've given an observation of the players and of my husband/partner. Perhaps if thats your observation then you don't want a gift of boots in future?
I'm still blissfully unaware of these stories of abuse too.
While I would expect someone to stick up for their partner, its clear there is almost a "shut it or else" element to the response.
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I think the -'maybe you won't need any boots if you feel so strongly" is very bitchy.
She did not have to come over all santctimonious.
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Just because you're unaware of it doesn't make it untrue.
And why shouldn't she say something? Odds are that person has been nice as pie to get something from her husband, and is then having a go at him. Someone did that to me i'd be saying something as well, as i'd imagine most, if not all, of us would.
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Just because you're unaware of it doesn't make it untrue.
And why shouldn't she say something? Odds are that person has been nice as pie to get something from her husband, and is then having a go at him. Someone did that to me i'd be saying something as well, as i'd imagine most, if not all, of us would.
FFS PWS. Where did I say it was untrue? I simply am unaware of what is supposed to have happened.
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In fairness, some of the stories about the abuse Westwood and his family have been given when they've been out as a family i'm not surprised his wife is saying something.
It must be hard, but I think the best thing to do in that type of situation would be to just bite your tongue and try and ignore things written on social media. Personal abuse while out as a family is a different story though.
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Well you started the post with "seriously?" so you're expressing doubt at something/everything Amfy said.
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Well you started the post with "seriously?" so you're expressing doubt at something.
That was more about the "where's the attitude?" Sentiment expressed by Amfy.
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Just because you're unaware of it doesn't make it untrue.
And why shouldn't she say something? Odds are that person has been nice as pie to get something from her husband, and is then having a go at him. Someone did that to me i'd be saying something as well, as i'd imagine most, if not all, of us would.
He hardly singled him out did he? He said the players couldn't give a fuck, which is obvious they can't to which she replied Westwood does and was pulled up about him not going over to fans. So not really having a go at him, just stating the facts/obvious. To which she's basically said fuck your boots then.
Fair enough but seems very thin skinned considering how bad we are, she'd have been better off keeping her mouth shut and let Westy get on with robbing a living from us.
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I think the -'maybe you won't need any boots if you feel so strongly" is very bitchy.
She did not have to come over all santctimonious.
Any MORE boots. - different maybe?
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I think the -'maybe you won't need any boots if you feel so strongly" is very bitchy.
She did not have to come over all santctimonious.
Any MORE boots. - different maybe?
No my mistake, the More boots was her advertising that she had previously done her a favour. As I said, Bitchy.
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why would anybody want some second hand boots?
or am I barking up the wrong tree
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why would anybody want some second hand boots?
or am I barking up the wrong tree
Sold to raise money for charity normally, especially if the player signs them.
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why would anybody want some second hand boots?
or am I barking up the wrong tree
A Players second hand boots have some value, probably for a charity auction.
She might give some of his shorts as well, you would not need to wash them either.
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why would anybody want some second hand boots?
or am I barking up the wrong tree
Sold to raise money for charity normally, especially if the player signs them.
on ebay
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I'm sure Westwoods boots would raise a fiver.. if he left a tenner in them.
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why would anybody want some second hand boots?
or am I barking up the wrong tree
Might be missing something, but I would think players get a lot of pairs of boots given to them, so have quite a few to give away that they won't even wear.
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why would anybody want some second hand boots?
or am I barking up the wrong tree
Might be missing something, but I would think players get a lot of pairs of boots given to them, so have quite a few to give away that they won't even wear.
so that lass has been sponging free pairs of boots
then stabs her in the back
fair play to Rebecca, its her husband after all, and its not her fault hes useless
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He probably has AW stamped on them.
Add your own logo..........
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AW fuck, I'm not cut out for this.
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Just think he's got four and a half years left on his contract. An Ashley Westwood is for life, not just for Christmas.