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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on December 19, 2015, 07:19:55 PM
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Take it away...
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We are fucked.
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A point not enough but for the first time in a long time I enjoyed watching us.
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Well we got a point. A much better second half display. We can take something from this. Ayew was excellent as was Veretout. Need to win on Boxing Day now and keep it going
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The result which finally confirms our relegation, in my view. One win before Christmas is unrecoverable and pathetic.
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Ayew MOTM, that's about it.
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Gobby Savage laughing at us. The ******.
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Better in the end. But not enough. And I still don't think we've the tools to get out of this. We only really had one chance and Newcastle had four or five, despite being a bit shit
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Wretched performance and lucky to get a point.
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Ayew was very good in second half, but a point wasn't enough and it was utterly mental that we appeared to be trying to kill time at the end. Sanchez's lack of quality is staggering.
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battling point, not enough though 10 from safety
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Better performance second half but that result confirms our relegation.
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Well played for the second half, but there are some alarming defensive lapses.
Okore, Hutton, Veretout, Ayew and - second half - Gana, Sanchez and Gestede - played half-decent.
Sinclair is a waste of space; Bacuna is too unreliable and Guzan is worrying every time he plays.
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Great spirit in the 2nd half. One point - worthless.
Should have gone for them at the start.
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At least we showed some spirit and fight. It's not over until the fat lass sings but we are nearing the end of the sound check.
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Much improved 2nd half but still only glimmers here and there of what we need. Sanchez and Bacuna do my fucking head in.
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Better in the end. But not enough. And I still don't think we've the tools to get out of this. We only really had one chance and Newcastle had four or five, despite being a bit shit
Gestede sliding miss and header apart
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Not enough. I wish Ayew well though. He is too good for the Championship (along with Hutton). Hopefully we get a good price for them.
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Well a point is a point, really needed all three but avoiding another confidence sapping defeat was important.We had our chances but have to say Newcastle missed 2 or 3 sitters so it could have been a very different story.
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... One point - worthless.
Errr, no it's worth one point, actually.
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Wretched performance and lucky to get a point.
What hand were you watching? It wasn't the one I just watched
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Poor from Garde. Needed to take game to Geordie's from the off. The run continues, nearly half a season without a win. Fuck you Villa and all involved.
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Got a point where we needed three.
If Garde gets us out of this mess and we're still in the PL next season he'll deserve to be revered in the same way Sir Graham is by those of us old enough to remember his fist time at the club.
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A better second half but a massive,massive chance missed to win a game.
Lack of bravery by Garde when we had them under the cosh, Should have brought Adama on for Westwood.
Then, as is usual, we let the game peter out with a whimper.
That's how we'll leave the prem, with a whimper.
Ayew though is a gem.
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Better second after abysmal first.
Why at the end are we pissing about holding on to the ball in the corner instead of getting the ball in the box?
That last ten minutes was crying out for Traore. It's pointless even having him on the bench it would seem.
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Sigh..
Norwich downing United, Bournemouth on 19 points, Watford on 25, the mighty Aston Villa down in December.
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A good second half. Ayew fantastic. Sanchez is, and has been for some time, ridiculously, horribly awful.
Why only one sub?
We are fucked.
Keeping it in their corner in the last minute?
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7 points after 17 games. That's just worse than I ever thought possible. Fucking seven.
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That's a good point. Ayew was excellent and Veretout seems to be getting up to speed. I'm still hopeful that we can get out of this.
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I've normally defended Sanchez on here,
but that was a perfect 90 minutes of incompetent rubbish
How Garde can watch that and do nothing is mind blowing
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Did Sanchez ever pass to a Villa shirt? Good point, needed 3.
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45 mins of good football no good in isolation in our situation but was pleasing to see us competing for once. Need to attack west ham though, especially with all their injuries
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As others have said a point just simply not enough noe buy 2nd half performance was encouraging, passing the ball around well in tough conditions and fighting for it for once, even Gestede looked useful.
We wont stay up but at least its a platform to build on to get some pride back points wise, Ayew was class today and a great goal to cap it off.
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Not bad, but not enough to change anything.
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Yes, I'd have chanced Adama for Westwood. There was a lot of ground to be exploited on that right hand side.
Bit too safe for me from Monsieur Garde
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I actually enjoyed watching us in the 2nd half. We really should have gone on and won it. I think we are fecked but that gave me a bit of hope.
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A point.
This morning we had six of them. Now we have seven.
It isn't enough, but it is better than being stuck on six. And it may have an impact on confidence.
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I agree Veretout and Ayew are really coming good. Rudy wasnt bad today either
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If Garde really wanted to win this game then Traore should have at least have got 20 minutes. That Newcastle defense is every bit as bad as ours and was there for the taking.
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Sanchez needs to wear a Colombia shirt under his Villa one.
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I've normally defended Sanchez on here,
but that was a perfect 90 minutes of incompetent rubbish
How Garde can watch that and do nothing is mind blowing
The problem is the alternative is Westwood, I think the Richards in that role might be a decent if desperate shout.
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The conditions suited Gestede, his best 45 mins for us so far
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Yes, I'd have chanced Adama for Westwood. There was a lot of ground to be exploited on that right hand side.
Bit too safe for me from Monsieur Garde
I know what you mean, and I kind of agree, but at the same time, the only way we have a cat's chance in hell of improving for the long term is if we start to build a bit of confidence.
They'll feel more confident having got something from a tricky away fixture in awful weather. You're right, 3 points would have made the table look a bit better, but I don't know at this stage if the difference from those extra two points would have been worth risking the confidence shattering effect of coming away with nothing.
This way, we conceded, we raised our game, we took a point.
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As SGT said you have to stop going backwards before you can go forwards.
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Yes, I'd have chanced Adama for Westwood. There was a lot of ground to be exploited on that right hand side.
Bit too safe for me from Monsieur Garde
I know what you mean, and I kind of agree, but at the same time, the only way we have a cat's chance in hell of improving for the long term is if we start to build a bit of confidence.
They'll feel more confident having got something from a tricky away fixture in awful weather. You're right, 3 points would have made the table look a bit better, but I don't know at this stage if the difference from those extra two points would have been worth risking the confidence shattering effect of coming away with nothing.
This way, we conceded, we raised our game, we took a point.
Hmm good point about the confidence thing.
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I've normally defended Sanchez on here,
but that was a perfect 90 minutes of incompetent rubbish
How Garde can watch that and do nothing is mind blowing
The problem is the alternative is Westwood, I think the Richards in that role might be a decent if desperate shout.
No. I reckon Clark would do a better job there than all of them.
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Ayew starting to look rather useful. He needs some help though.
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I've normally defended Sanchez on here,
but that was a perfect 90 minutes of incompetent rubbish
How Garde can watch that and do nothing is mind blowing
Incompetent is the perfect word.
It sums up Sanchez, and, for me Gana.
I have never seen midfielders give the ball away as much as those 2 or make such bad decisions, even in relatively easy situations.
They are both a liability.
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Short term a good point, long term absolutely terrible. Whatever way we look at the situation, we're doomed.
At least today I thought we showed a bit if fight.
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Poor from Garde. Needed to take game to Geordie's from the off. The run continues, nearly half a season without a win. Fuck you Villa and all involved.
Going at the Toon from the off would have played right into their hands, they prefer counter attacking.
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I really like Mr Ayew, just interviewed really well and won man of the match.
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I've normally defended Sanchez on here,
but that was a perfect 90 minutes of incompetent rubbish
How Garde can watch that and do nothing is mind blowing
The problem is the alternative is Westwood, I think the Richards in that role might be a decent if desperate shout.
No. I reckon Clark would do a better job there than all of them.
we tried that allready and it did not work
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The confidence seemed to visibly come back into attacking players as soon as the equaliser went but the defence remained as brittle as ever.
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Yes, I'd have chanced Adama for Westwood. There was a lot of ground to be exploited on that right hand side.
Bit too safe for me from Monsieur Garde
I know what you mean, and I kind of agree, but at the same time, the only way we have a cat's chance in hell of improving for the long term is if we start to build a bit of confidence.
They'll feel more confident having got something from a tricky away fixture in awful weather. You're right, 3 points would have made the table look a bit better, but I don't know at this stage if the difference from those extra two points would have been worth risking the confidence shattering effect of coming away with nothing.
This way, we conceded, we raised our game, we took a point.
I agree PW.
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... One point - worthless.
Errr, no it's worth one point, actually.
Ah ok.
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Sanchez was woeful, Gana wasn't much better.
Sinclair was just gutless. Another one to add to Gabby and Nzog.
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Sinclair coming off and clapping the bench like he just put in a real shift made me laugh.
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Listening to Ray Wilkins on the post match stuff and he really is struggling to give Ayew any credit. Quite funny.
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They need to start with the 11 they finished with on Boxing Day and do what they did in the 2nd half. It is a fair point being made about Gestede in that they very rarely get enough into him to really play to his strengths.
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If Garde really wanted to win this game then Traore should have at least have got 20 minutes. That Newcastle defense is every bit as bad as ours and was there for the taking.
I'm not sure those wet conditions would have suited Traore as the ball was getting held up by the waterlogged pitch.
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We're not down until we're down, it's not halfway through the season yet, so long as we can play like we did in the second half I'll continue to think we can do it - football records are there to be broken - just need to take that into the West Ham game.
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Yes, I'd have chanced Adama for Westwood. There was a lot of ground to be exploited on that right hand side.
Bit too safe for me from Monsieur Garde
I know what you mean, and I kind of agree, but at the same time, the only way we have a cat's chance in hell of improving for the long term is if we start to build a bit of confidence.
They'll feel more confident having got something from a tricky away fixture in awful weather. You're right, 3 points would have made the table look a bit better, but I don't know at this stage if the difference from those extra two points would have been worth risking the confidence shattering effect of coming away with nothing.
This way, we conceded, we raised our game, we took a point.
Hmm good point about the confidence thing.
3 would have been much better for the confidence but I take the point further up that we need to stop going backwards to go forwards.
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We're not down until we're down, it's not halfway through the season yet, so long as we can play like we did in the second half I'll continue to think we can do it - football records are there to be broken - just need to take that into the West Ham game.
Fairplay to you for keeping the faith.
We are good at breaking records I give you that. Maybe one of them might end up being a positive one!
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I actually enjoyed the second half. It's a start. The very fact that in the position we are in we still battled to come back is encouraging.
It looks like the imports needed time - as would be expected - but the home grown players have let us down badly and have not been able to buy us time to gel as a unit. Ayew looks a real good player, Veretout as well. Gana seems to be getting his early season form back too.
It could well be too late, but 2 or 3 sensible additions could transform that team.
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I think Gested is more effective comming off the bench. It gives us a chance to change the system.
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Yes, I'd have chanced Adama for Westwood. There was a lot of ground to be exploited on that right hand side.
Bit too safe for me from Monsieur Garde
I know what you mean, and I kind of agree, but at the same time, the only way we have a cat's chance in hell of improving for the long term is if we start to build a bit of confidence.
They'll feel more confident having got something from a tricky away fixture in awful weather. You're right, 3 points would have made the table look a bit better, but I don't know at this stage if the difference from those extra two points would have been worth risking the confidence shattering effect of coming away with nothing.
This way, we conceded, we raised our game, we took a point.
Hmm good point about the confidence thing.
3 would have been much better for the confidence but I take the point further up that we need to stop going backwards to go forwards.
Totally agree, but it was really the risk involved in going for it that i was referring to as the difference.
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Wilkins is really thick isn't he. Thank god we now have some intelligence in our management
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If Garde really wanted to win this game then Traore should have at least have got 20 minutes. That Newcastle defense is every bit as bad as ours and was there for the taking.
I'm not sure those wet conditions would have suited Traore as the ball was getting held up by the waterlogged pitch.
We had 2 or 3 really good breaks, all through Vertoute, the ball ran quite well, unfortunately he didn't.....that's not a criticism of him, he just doesn't have the explosive pace in those situations.
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We didn't lose. If nothing else it shut those shirtless twats up. Like the Stripeys a couple of years ago they thought they'd destroy us, but we got a point and let's hope it knocks them as much as their comrades in biterness.
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Ayew was easily our Man of the match. Thought Gestede actually had his best performance for us today. Unfortunately Gana and Sanchez are liabilities on the ball. Don't think a point is enough but better than none at all
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Sanchez needs to wear a Colombia shirt under his Villa one.
He is probably better in a country where the game is played at a slower pace.His speed of thought ie brain to foot is nowhere near quick enough for the premiership. Any team playing a high press against him is onto a winner.
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That's a good point under normal circumstances and Atleast we can start to repair some confidence with a performance like that.
Must win game next though,
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We didn't lose. If nothing else it shut those shirtless twats up. Like the Stripeys a couple of years ago they thought they'd destroy us, but we got a point and let's hope it knocks them as much as their comrades in biterness.
Hear hear!
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I'm happy with a point...that's 3 games that we haven't lost out of the last 6, now we need to turn draws into wins and there is an infinitesimally small glimmer of hope of survival.
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Love Ayew
Good player, takes poeple on, skillful and looks like he gives a toss.
Gestade looked decent actaully winning headers and laying the ball off
Veretout looks decent as well. I thought. The defence did ok today
Running out of games though
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Yes, I'd have chanced Adama for Westwood. There was a lot of ground to be exploited on that right hand side.
Bit too safe for me from Monsieur Garde
I know what you mean, and I kind of agree, but at the same time, the only way we have a cat's chance in hell of improving for the long term is if we start to build a bit of confidence.
They'll feel more confident having got something from a tricky away fixture in awful weather. You're right, 3 points would have made the table look a bit better, but I don't know at this stage if the difference from those extra two points would have been worth risking the confidence shattering effect of coming away with nothing.
This way, we conceded, we raised our game, we took a point.
I think you're right re it hopefully giving us some confidence. Let's follow it up with a win now 👍
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I can understand Garde not bringing Traore on the conditions were atrocious and our defence is absolute shit, we were getting at them second half but even so they missed two absolute sitters and taking a midfielder off would have been suicide.
Ayew needs support he was gutted at the end, but what a goal.
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We just can't win a game, but we could easily have lost that. We really need to win the next one and push on from there if any miracles are to occur.
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If only we had a few more players with Ayew's attitude and commitment over the last few months. We probably would be sitting where Bournemouth are.
He was having and right go at the end and dozy Sanchez was getting it.
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That's the second year in a row they've been waiting outside calling it on, but when the Villa oblige they stand with their phones out. We duly reminded them that we sent them down and we will again in May.
They'll be three big clubs in the second division at this rate and that Geordie shower will be there with us.
Much better second half, dominated it and although they caught us on the break three or four times, they were there for the taking.
Ayew second half was excellent. He worked and worked and worked. What a fucking goal. They were so narrow, Collicini and Dunnet were absolute toss and Garde should have rolled the dice with Traore.
We needed to win; Westwood was noticeable only for stripping, Sanchez sloppy, Gana actually poor today and Sinclair typically anonymous. He doesn't have much to work with but he (Garde) has picked up two decent away points. We desperately need a couple.of wins out of the next three. That would give us a chance if we can put some positive results together.
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Little summed it up this week. He felt the current objective is to keep in contact with the bottom clubs. Todays result means Newcastle didn't move further ahead of us and we are a point closer to Sunderland.
If and it's a big if , we manage to make signings that can make an impact we might just go on a run.
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Second half we looked a little more organised and certainly showed some spirit. Discipline seems to have been applied both on and off the field. I'm not a big fan of continental busybodies but well done Mr Garde.
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My first post, yikes!
Not sure how I feel about today. Encouraged by the second half performance. One point better than none.
Can we have an encouraging first half performance too against West Ham? And the full 3 points?
Bottom placed team for 20 from last 23 years has gone but I still have a little belief.
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Well SGT used to say 'never underestimate the value of a point'
That point today will give those players the confidence that will win games we've been losing , coupled with a few tweaks of personnel in Jan and we may yet see the greatest escape of all time!
Tonight though I prefer to marvel at Ayew's goal and his fantastic attitude and feel faintly smug those Geordie wankers couldn't take the piss.
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Two awful, awful teams that. When we go down, I hope we take those fcukers with us.
we're just (Ayew apart) a cowardly team. No one takes a risk. No one gambles. Midfield is appalling in terms of creativity.
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Yes, we'll probably still go down but in all seriousness the difference in prize money between eighteenth and twentieth would buy the kind of player we'll need. And going down with a bit of spirit might just help kickstart a revival similar to 1970.
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My first post, yikes!
Not sure how I feel about today. Encouraged by the second half performance. One point better than none.
Can we have an encouraging first half performance too against West Ham? And the full 3 points?
Bottom placed team for 20 from last 23 years has gone but I still have a little belief.
Welcome to the site.
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The problem again is that we will allways give at least one goal away, and Lescott who I think is playing OK was the culprit this time.
It means to win a game we have got to score at least 2 and we don't look like doing that too often.
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The secong half brings forth hope.
Merry Christmas chaps
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Yes, we'll probably still go down but in all seriousness the difference in prize money between eighteenth and twentieth would buy the kind of player we'll need. And going down with a bit of spirit might just help kickstart a revival similar to 1970.
My guess is, we will go down with a lot of forward momentum. It will just come too late to stop the inevitable happening. We will likely keep most, if not all of the players we want to keep, bring in a few good players, add Garde's two coaches and hopefully start where we left off the previous season.
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Keep the faith
We took a point after being behind, I could point to some crap performances, but give them a break.
Ayew in his interview that the first half seemed a different formation, agreed by the commentator's.
At least when Gestede came on we had a formation.
One of my most enjoyable games ever was beating West Ham on Boxing Day (I hope it was Boxing Day ) lets repeat that after getting a confidence boost today.
And well done to the fans who travelled so far, sang so loud and have not given up.
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Realistically now we're going to need to go on a run of about 5 wins on the trot to get back in this.
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I'm still disappointed with Garde's lineup
I was expecting a manager with an attacking philosophy which is what we were told before he got here
Traore, Gill, Grealish all sitting on the bench, we wont win games without those sort of players on the pitch
Sinclair given the nod before all 3 of them is pathetic in Lambert proportions, I wanted Remi to be better than that
Sanchez given 90 minutes, I mean there is no excuse for not seing how rubbish he was today
at any given moment he could have cost us the game, he got robbed of the ball at least 3 times when he just stood there looking round wondering what to do with it
Garde needs to be a bit more brave and trust the players who can at least control, handle and run with the ball and not be shit scared of it for 45 mins before they get going
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Point is probably not enough and I think Garde could have been a bit more attacking and brought Traore on when we had Newcastle on the ropes. I don't want to dwell too much on the negatives - Ayew looks better each time he plays, Veretout looked comfortable in the hole and is also improving and Gestede did OK when he came on. It is slowly piecing together, but there are still a lot of areas to improve and it might already be too late.
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Ayew is very good with a good attitude.
Very good second half which we could have won.
And we ended the game attacking, not hiding.
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Realistically now we're going to need to go on a run of about 5 wins on the trot to get back in this.
I'd say three in a row are needed to keep it interesting.
I don't know if we will get them, I strongly suspect not, but I fancy our chances of doing it far more coming off a draw away in tricky circumstances than I would with yet another defeat.
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Keep the faith
We took a point after being behind, I could point to some crap performances, but give them a break.
Ayew in his interview that the first half seemed a different formation, agreed by the commentator's.
At least when Gestede came on we had a formation.
One of my most enjoyable games ever was beating West Ham on Boxing Day (I hope it was Boxing Day ) lets repeat that after getting a confidence boost today.
And well done to the fans who travelled so far, sang so loud and have not given up.
Well said. Hoping West ham wear their 3rd kit so we can beat the blues, in every sense.
Thanks for the welcome, Legion.
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Well I for one was extremely impressed by our second half performance. Both Veretout and Ayew have been playing well for several games. Ayew moved up another gear this afternoon. I thought Gueye played well and so did Chris Waddle who should know what he is talking about. Alan Hutton gave another 110% performance and Gestede got stuck in when he arrived. I dont think Traore would have been effective given the state of the pitch.
If we are to go down I want to see more performances like that. We will not go down without a fight.
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No, no, five in a row.
West Ham, Norwich, Sunderland, Palace and a bus stop in Sandwell.
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I'm still disappointed with Garde's lineup
I was expecting a manager with an attacking philosophy which is what we were told before he got here
Traore, Gill, Grealish all sitting on the bench, we wont win games without those sort of players on the pitch
Sinclair given the nod before all 3 of them is pathetic in Lambert proportions, I wanted Remi to be better than that
Sanchez given 90 minutes, I mean there is no excuse for not seing how rubbish he was today
at any given moment he could have cost us the game, he got robbed of the ball at least 3 times when he just stood there looking round wondering what to do with it
Garde needs to be a bit more brave and trust the players who can at least control, handle and run with the ball and not be shit scared of it for 45 mins before they get going
I've been willing to give Sanchez the benefit of the doubt, but have now come to the conclusion that he is a bit of a liability. Needs to be taken out of the side and so,d in the summer. I just think the pace of the game in this country is too quick for him and would be better off in a league where the pace is a bit slower like it is when he plays for Colombia.
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Well it needs to be the next three considering who are the opposition, number of games remaining and the timing re the transfer window.
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Many positives posts,which is nice to hear for a change, but I fear that would have been alot different if Newcastle had taken their 3 or 4 gilt edges in the 2nd half. As much an improvement as there was in the 2nd, apart from the goal we only created one other decent chance, which is worrying against a very poor team.
Midfield of Sanchez, Gana and Westwood nowhere near Premier League standard. First half particulary Sanchez was a liability every time he got the time. Think playing Clark and Richards in front of the back 4 would be worth a try, they can't do any worse. Despite the wet conditions still think Traore should have been brought on, to terrorise their defense, hopefully he gets decent playing time on Saturday.
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Point is probably not enough and I think Garde could have been a bit more attacking and brought Traore on when we had Newcastle on the ropes. I don't want to dwell too much on the negatives - Ayew looks better each time he plays, Veretout looked comfortable in the hole and is also improving and Gestede did OK when he came on. It is slowly piecing together, but there are still a lot of areas to improve and it might already be too late.
ayew and traore up front with veretout behind is the way to go
i know he is young, inexperienced, the pitch was wet, the dog ate my homework but fuck me we need to be playing him to put the shit up defenders
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Only saw the second half but that was as good as we've produced all season imo, we actually looked a decent threat going forward.
Still though in our position you simply need to win that game...if only Gestede wasn't such a donkey (although in fairness him coming on unsettled the Newcastle defence big time)
Jordan Ayew though....even without the goal I thought he was magnificent second half. He's one of the few good things about this club and if more players showed his spirit and quality we'd be out of the bottom 3.
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I think Garde's MO is to gain as many cautious points as we can until January, before getting new blood in and going hell for leather in the second half of the season. Better to draw games and pick up points when you're shot for confidence, than to take risks, keep losing and pick up nowt.
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we can not be relegated
we are aston villa
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we can not be relegated
we are aston villa
This
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For the first time on this forum I am going to say "I have not read the thread etc."
I thought we were the better team, in both halves. We had better shape, cohesion and structure than them.
Expect even more of this after we are doomed. This team is capable of playing scintillating football.
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We can.
We still are.
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I really like M. Garde. He knows how weak we are and is, I believe, slowly building confidence. It may well be too late but he's the man for me and you never know ....
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IF (and they have) Bournemouth can the 3 games they've just won AND, IF (and we did) we can play as we did for the second half - there's still time to get out of this.
We are Aston Villa.
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If Hutton can gain a couple of dangerous free kicks by snake-hips-slaloming it through their defence in those conditions then fuck knows what Traore could have achieved.
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We wasn't that bad in the first half, we kept it tight enough until the goal, but we just didn't create anything. Their goal game from a hopeless corner which missed all our players and found one of theirs. Second half, we were much better. It's almost as if they seemed to realise how much shit they were in and came out fighting.
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A well earned point. Good performances by Ayew, Veretout, Hutton and Gestede 2nd half. It was must not lose game and in isolation it was a good point. We are behind the eight ball but we don't need snookers yet. The points haul form these 4 games will be pivotal and with 3 being away from home 8pts is probably a good return. We've got 1 today we need 3 next week. We're not down yet and I have to believe we can stay up, otherwise what's the point.
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I think Garde is the right man long term. But, fuck me
He's been dealt an unplayable hand with this lot.
I genuinely do think this is categorically the worst midfield I've seen us put out (been watching since 1979). The lack of creativity in it is truly scandalous.
We're gone. Ali can hope for is is to make a fight of it, and Garde to use the 6 months between now and May to work out what he needs to change.
(Tell you what, *sigh* Benteke and Ayew together would make some
Forward line).
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I'm upbeat about the performance and the fact we showed some character and got something from the game. Just don't look at the league table.
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I'll agree with that Oz - for the first time in a few weeks, I'm actually not feeling to bad about the situation - for me it was a better performance than the draw against Man Citeh.
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I was absolutely dreading today. I very nearly prayed!
I am almost looking forward to next Saturday or could it be the Ballantine's?!
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Unfortunately Gana and Sanchez are liabilities on the ball. Don't think a point is enough but better than none at all
Second half, both played much, much better.
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Seriously, how many points have we ever picked up at Newcastle (since 93/94)?
Even when flying high we've struggled against them away.
What springs to mind is the Ian Taylor head-rubbing incident but there's not much else I can think of....I'm sure people could come up with some stats.
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But while there's moonlight
And music and love and romance
Let's face the music and dance"
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I think we've won there twice. The Taylor game when Shearer was sent off and the Dyer/Bowyer game when they had 3 sent off.
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Really enjoyed the second half, along with Veretout and Ayew I thought Okore had a good game and didn't think Gueye was anywhere as near as bad as others seem to think. No idea what Westwood or Sinclair contributed though.
Something I love about Ayew is he really looks like he cares and looks genuinely upset at the final whistle that once again we haven't won. Shame our club captain hasn't shown the same commitment.
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Lescott much better second half, he was poor in first
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I think we've won there twice. The Taylor game when Shearer was sent off and the Dyer/Bowyer game when they had 3 sent off.
yeah but im sick of this "premiership shite" weve beat em loads of fkn times
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I really like M. Garde. He knows how weak we are and is, I believe, slowly building confidence. It may well be too late but he's the man for me and you never know ....
I agree, I think he's intelligent and he's slowly trying to turn things around.
I for one also do think it makes a difference how we play for the rest of this season, even if we go down. If we start to see the summer signings building confidence (I think we've already seen that with Ayew and Veretout who were both very good today) then at least we can see that the club has a future, we may drop a division but it doesn't mean we have to fade away and die.
Some really bright points in the second half, although sadly I have to agree with others on Sanchez, he was hopeless today. Ayew and Veretout played really well and as another poster pointed out, in other circumstances it's a pretty decent point.
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I've missed the feeling that we could actually win a game. Today, the longer it went on, the more convinced I was that we could do it.
Let's hope we take that spirit into our next few games. It's where Leicester started their incredible run last season.
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Can somebody turn the sprinklers on for the West Ham game?
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we can not be relegated
we are aston villa
We can because we're shit.
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For me
That 2nd half performance can only bode well for the future no way did we look relegation bound.
Sooner or later those moments are going to fall In our favour and we are going to take this to the wire
That fat lady ain't gonna sing just yet
Utv
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THREE CONSECUTIVE LEAGUE WINS IS NOW PARAMOUNT!
(Caps lock needed)
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Certainly happier at full-time than I was at half-time.
Jordan Ayew is developing into an excellent striker and will be such an asset to the club if we're going to have any chance of turning this around. Fantastic goal - the cutting-in from the left on to his right foot is proving to be his signature move. To have any hope we've got to get at least one other striker playing with a similar level of commitment.
Unfortunately, the opposite is true of Sanchez.
I can't remember the last time I felt moved to shout at a player (pointless, I know) as often as I did with him this evening.
The slowness of thought, the dallying on the ball and all-round lack of urgency really screams-out that this is not the league for him. A shame because I think we all had high hopes.
Actually looking forward to Boxing Day.
Something tells me that our long-awaited second win lurks there and young Adama Traore will play a part.
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THREE CONSECUTIVE LEAGUE WINS IS NOW PARAMOUNT!
(Caps lock needed)
Ehh...no...10 wins are now paramount. We take them in any bloody order....as long as we get them.
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Must win game that we didn't win basically. Newcastle are as close to the top 7 as they are to us. That's how bad it is. And they are shite.
We're down.
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I enjoyed watching us today. We play decent football and regardless of our fate this season I feel the shoots of recovery are finally showing. I believe we have finally found a credible manager. I love his approach to the wasters at our club. Finally someone who realises you have to cut the cancer out before you can get well again. We might go down and I hate that but I don't think this is our death knell or anything like.
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For me
That 2nd half performance can only bode well for the future no way did we look relegation bound.
Sooner or later those moments are going to fall In our favour and we are going to take this to the wire
That fat lady ain't gonna sing just yet
Utv
That second half is the first time since Leicester that I've seen a team that looked like it gave a f##k and had half a clue what they were supposed to be doing.
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For one of the very first times this season I saw genuine fight in this team. I mean look at those conditions, going one down, 50,000 screaming idiots - was ripe for another tonking. And yet we took it to them and seem to be laying our bodies on the line a bit more.
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I thought Lescott was magnificent in the second half. I also thought Veretout has an incredible engine.
If Sanchez could pass a football more than 5 yards he would be brilliant. As it is, he is not! At least Westwood keeps it. A couple of midfielder are needed desperately, as most of our problems we bring on ourselves giving it away.
Gueye looks like his confidence has taken a real battering which is a shame as he was excellent in his first few weeks.
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For me
That 2nd half performance can only bode well for the future no way did we look relegation bound.
Sooner or later those moments are going to fall In our favour and we are going to take this to the wire
That fat lady ain't gonna sing just yet
Utv
One half decent performance doesn't change the fact that we're effectively 11 points from safety, and still haven't won a game since the first macth of the season. We'd need to win 4 in a row just to have a chance of not being in the bottom 4, and I'll wager we don't win another 4 games all season. I reckon we'll finish on about 20 points.
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Realistically now we're going to need to go on a run of about 5 wins on the trot to get back in this.
To have realistic hopes of staying up I think we need 18-20 points by final whistle of WBA game in Mid January. So yeah we need to win 4 of West Ham, Sunderland, Norwich, Palace, Leicester all stars and WBA. The table wouldn't look so bad then but just can't see it, today was a big opportunity just like Southampton was and we couldn't get the 3 points, other teams are.
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Realistically now we're going to need to go on a run of about 5 wins on the trot to get back in this.
That would be nice but we need to stick in there and pick up points wherever we can and then see where we are after the next 10 games.
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I'm off to demand a trial at Bodymoor on Monday because if Sinclair can get a game I'm pretty sure I can.
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Garde should've put Traore on for the last 20 minutes to run at their tiring left - back. Why he resists this is costing us the chance of 3 points. Gestede was the wrong sub, just don't rate him.
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Something else I noticed today - Guzan punched the ball away several times instead of hesitating/flapping/ending up in no man's land. Someone, somewhere appears to be doing some coaching
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Garde should've put Traore on for the last 20 minutes to run at their tiring left - back. Why he resists this is costing us the chance of 3 points. Gestede was the wrong sub, just don't rate him.
You may not rate him, but to call it the wrong sub is crackers. He caused havoc, and we finally had a focus.
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Yes, we'll probably still go down but in all seriousness the difference in prize money between eighteenth and twentieth would buy the kind of player we'll need. And going down with a bit of spirit might just help kickstart a revival similar to 1970.
My guess is, we will go down with a lot of forward momentum. It will just come too late to stop the inevitable happening. We will likely keep most, if not all of the players we want to keep, bring in a few good players, add Garde's two coaches and hopefully start where we left off the previous season.
Agree with both post. When we do get confirmed we need to start planning for a season in the championship and I believe we have the right man in charge to do that and bring us back.
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I'll wager we don't win another 4 games all season.
I'll take that. A bottle of Casa Ferreirinha Douro Reserva Especial?*
*I'm being kind to you, I could have asked for Barca Velha. ;)
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I'm off to demand a trial at Bodymoor on Monday because if Sinclair can get a game I'm pretty sure I can.
He is an absolute donkey. I think the reason he gets picked is probably that trains well and runs around showing "effort".
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Realistically now we're going to need to go on a run of about 5 wins on the trot to get back in this.
That would be nice but we need to stick in there and pick up points wherever we can and then see where we are after the next 10 games.
I think we need 9 points from the next 4 games. Can't see it happening.
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The second half is one of the few times we have played to Gestede's strengths even it was out if the necessity of the conditions.
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Why not play Traore instead of Sinclair? Who offers nothing. And Gil for Westwood. Garde is clueless and too negative.
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Can somebody turn the sprinklers on for the West Ham game?
I've been saying this for years.
Turn on the sprinklers and carve up the pitch, with a good size trench at the half way line.
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I think we've won there twice. The Taylor game when Shearer was sent off and the Dyer/Bowyer game when they had 3 sent off.
yeah but im sick of this "premiership shite" weve beat em loads of fkn times
We've won up there in the league about 4 times in 50+ years.
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Not bad going forward, although never enough in the box, but we can't defend for shot and we seem to get away with it quite often today.
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I am going to offer everyone a tiny bit of hope.
Everyone is banging on about us having the least number of points at this stage of the season and all that. Fair enough.
It is worth noting that even after Boxing Day's fixtures last year, Leicester still only had 10 points. At the end of January, Leicester had 17 points from 23 games. At the end of February Leicester only had 18 points from 26 games. As late as 4th April, after 30 games incredibly, Leicester were still only on 22 points. So it is possible to accrue points quickly.
I realise it is faint hope, however, considering the gap, but it is worth noting how quickly things can look different.
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Why not play Traore instead of Sinclair? Who offers nothing. And Gil for Westwood. Garde is clueless and too negative.
I am not Westwood's biggest fan but in that insipid first half which was one of the worst I have ever seen as a Villa fan of 45 years watching, he was one of two who seemed to care. Compare him to Gana or Sanchez please
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One other bit of hope. They do say there is always a team that drops into the mix in the 2nd half of the season. Keep an eye on Southampton.....No wins in 5. 21 points. Remote I grant you but even we got a draw there.
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If we play like first half I think we will be lucky to get 21 points all season.
Second half bit of fight but would still say the manager should have unleashed Traore on the worst left back I think I have seen in the premiership.
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I'll wager we don't win another 4 games all season.
I'll take that. A bottle of Casa Ferreirinha Douro Reserva Especial?*
*I'm being kind to you, I could have asked for Barca Velha. ;)
I'll take that bet. Which year? Shall we say 2007?
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A couple of weeks ago everyone was saying Bournemouth were looking doomed. They have won three on the trot, now look at them.
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I'll wager we don't win another 4 games all season.
I'll take that. A bottle of Casa Ferreirinha Douro Reserva Especial?*
*I'm being kind to you, I could have asked for Barca Velha. ;)
I'll take that bet. Which year? Shall we say 2007?
I will take the bet in that we will win more than 4 games, you say what
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A couple of weeks ago everyone was saying Bournemouth were looking doomed. They have won three on the trot, now look at them.
Yes they have won 3 on the trot and we haven't
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I think we've won there twice. The Taylor game when Shearer was sent off and the Dyer/Bowyer game when they had 3 sent off.
yeah but im sick of this "premiership shite" weve beat em loads of fkn times
We've won up there in the league about 4 times in 50+ years.
And yet our record is so good 10 miles down the road in Sunderland, it's an odd one although this was our best performance at St James for a long while I think.
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Realistically now we're going to need to go on a run of about 5 wins on the trot to get back in this.
I'd say three in a row are needed to keep it interesting.
I don't know if we will get them, I strongly suspect not, but I fancy our chances of doing it far more coming off a draw away in tricky circumstances than I would with yet another defeat.
This.
A draw may not be good enough, but nothing we have done since Bournemouth has been good enough. And today was better than most days this season. So I'll take it.
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First half I thought we were awful and content to sit on the back foot.
Second half we gave it a go. I thought we actually showed some fight and about time. Veretout and Ayew were excellent and they had been awful in first 45 mins for me.
My MOTM is Westwood, he fought in the first half unlike many others
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Not sure if conditions contributed to it but Guzan was poor for their goal.
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First half performance was dreadful, second half was like a different team. We were inspired by Ayew, best individual performance in a Villa shirt since Delph in the cup semi final. Gestede was much improved, not sure why we waited until 60mins to make the change. Garde seems a cautious coach when it comes to changes, thought it was calling out for Traore but to be fair Westwood put in a good shift on the right. Veretout had a fine second half too, quality set pieces throughout.
Thought our midfield duo were hopeless mind, Sanchez - his brain and legs are on different wavelengths. Gueye - gutless, work shy and a passenger, Sinclair-esque in other words.
Guzan 6, Hutton 7, Okore 6, Lescott 7, Bacuna 6, Westwood 6, Gueye 4, Sanchez 5, Veretout 7, Ayew 9. Gestede 7
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I think we've won there twice. The Taylor game when Shearer was sent off and the Dyer/Bowyer game when they had 3 sent off.
yeah but im sick of this "premiership shite" weve beat em loads of fkn times
We've won up there in the league about 4 times in 50+ years.
And yet our record is so good 10 miles down the road in Sunderland, it's an odd one although this was our best performance at St James for a long while I think.
I agree.
The pressure is off now. The players know we already down.
We will give somebody a good spanking soon, and have a good run of results. Thee i no doubt that we can ping the ball around and create chances.
As far as being ready for the division below, I have serious doubts. I watched the first 30 minutes of the game at the Sty last night. The Blose player Vaughan (sp) took out a star opposition player in magnificent fashion, if you are into that sort of thing. The player hobbled off 10 minutes later having been a passenger for 10 minutes. Job done.
A little later, in retribution, a Cardiff player contrived to whack Vaughan in the back of the head. A serious deliberate forehead at the height of his jump.
How do you think our fey boys are going to stand up to this?
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As far as being ready for the division below, I have serious doubts. I watched the first 30 minutes of the game at the Sty last night. The Blose player Vaughan (sp) took out a star opposition player in magnificent fashion, if you are into that sort of thing. The player hobbled off 10 minutes later having been a passenger for 10 minutes. Job done.
A little later, in retribution, a Cardiff player contrived to whack Vaughan in the back of the head. A serious deliberate forehead at the height of his jump.
How do you think our fey boys are going to stand up to this?
I expect they'll just crack on with being much better footballers than most of the rest of that division and leave the MMA stuff to the cloggers at Birmingham and Cardiff.
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Fuck off Keowngoal.
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As far as being ready for the division below, I have serious doubts. I watched the first 30 minutes of the game at the Sty last night. The Blose player Vaughan (sp) took out a star opposition player in magnificent fashion, if you are into that sort of thing. The player hobbled off 10 minutes later having been a passenger for 10 minutes. Job done.
A little later, in retribution, a Cardiff player contrived to whack Vaughan in the back of the head. A serious deliberate forehead at the height of his jump.
How do you think our fey boys are going to stand up to this?
I expect they'll just crack on with being much better footballers than most of the rest of that division and leave the MMA stuff to the cloggers at Birmingham and Cardiff.
I hope you right, Dave.
I think they might mince out though.
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As far as being ready for the division below, I have serious doubts. I watched the first 30 minutes of the game at the Sty last night. The Blose player Vaughan (sp) took out a star opposition player in magnificent fashion, if you are into that sort of thing. The player hobbled off 10 minutes later having been a passenger for 10 minutes. Job done.
A little later, in retribution, a Cardiff player contrived to whack Vaughan in the back of the head. A serious deliberate forehead at the height of his jump.
How do you think our fey boys are going to stand up to this?
I expect they'll just crack on with being much better footballers than most of the rest of that division and leave the MMA stuff to the cloggers at Birmingham and Cardiff.
I hope you right, Dave.
I think they might mince out though.
Well, those same elbowey Birmingham players lost to our current lot once already this season. And that was with an incompetent idiot telling our players to deliberately lose the first half.
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The goal we conceded was dreadful. The defensive midfield pair were as pedestrian as ever whilst Sinclair has done nothing for weeks. He only had a brief good spell under Sherwood.
Conversely, Ayew looked out of place in this team.
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Sanchez /Gueye both play as they track back and the latter is not that bad on the ball.Sanchez does give the ball away but his has strength and wins balls in the air.As bad so some say he is look at the Everton game to see what happens when 1) he doesn't play 2) we play Grealish and Gil together
Traore / Grealish don't track back and they need to learn that ,you can't have passengers in modern game.Gil is too lightweight.Also our formation matched up Newcastle's who had won the last 2 games if was best option on the day , we may have introduced Traore etc later in game if conditions didn't turn the pitch into a mudpit.In those conditions Gestede was the best option
Ultimately we have an unbalanced side
1) Bacuna is better than Richardson but only just , he offers nothing going forward as he has to switch back onto right foot and his pace redeems his lack of positioning
2)Ayew is our best player currently but he can't play upfront alone he is better dropping deeper but Gestede is also poor upfront alone , however as a front 2 they looked better.4-4-2 is making a comeback and using that today we looked a little better
Interesting article here on the current success of 4-4-2
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/how-leicester-and-watford-are-proving-that-good-old-4-4-2-is-king-in-england-writes-danny-a6779056.html
3)Guzan still looks dodgy , and his kicking as it always has been is shocking
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As far as being ready for the division below, I have serious doubts. I watched the first 30 minutes of the game at the Sty last night. The Blose player Vaughan (sp) took out a star opposition player in magnificent fashion, if you are into that sort of thing. The player hobbled off 10 minutes later having been a passenger for 10 minutes. Job done.
A little later, in retribution, a Cardiff player contrived to whack Vaughan in the back of the head. A serious deliberate forehead at the height of his jump.
How do you think our fey boys are going to stand up to this?
I expect they'll just crack on with being much better footballers than most of the rest of that division and leave the MMA stuff to the cloggers at Birmingham and Cardiff.
I hope you right, Dave.
I think they might mince out though.
Well, those same elbowey Birmingham players lost to our current lot once already this season. And that was with an incompetent idiot telling our players to deliberately lose the first half.
I suppose we shall see, soon enough.
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Every week we all bang on about "we need to win" and "how many games we need to win" Well... we aren't winning and don't look nowhere near winning a game. Even our own manager wasn't going to risk throwing on an attacking player with 20 minutes to go because the likelihood of him doing so would of probably ended in yet another defeat.
I'm bored out of my mind waiting for this magical new form and run of wins to come, especially when the team is setup for a draw. We were fortunate to get a point here and against Southampton IMO (both missed numerous sitters).
If Garde and the team want to see 3 points again this season, then the manager needs to be a hell of a lot more positive and the team needs to play extremely better than their regular 'turning up' for 15/20 minutes. Until this happens, we'll just continue to draw and lose.
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We played well second half and dare I say I enjoyed it. Remember that feeling?
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If Garde really wanted to win this game then Traore should have at least have got 20 minutes. That Newcastle defense is every bit as bad as ours and was there for the taking.
Just home!
Absolute shite in the first half - a million per cent better in the second.
Shocking defending - AGAIN - for their goal...Bacuna and Lescott marking the same bloke and leaving Colloccini totally free.
Only a few pages into the thread but Bren'd's comment summed it up for me.
Met up with mate who is a neutral and couldn't believe that we didn't attack them more as they were shit in defence! At the time, in the situation, with the conditions, Traore was worth a go.
They were hacking down Alan Hutton ffs!
And that ref - what a twat! Again!
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I'll wager we don't win another 4 games all season.
I'll take that. A bottle of Casa Ferreirinha Douro Reserva Especial?*
*I'm being kind to you, I could have asked for Barca Velha. ;)
I'll take that bet. Which year? Shall we say 2007?
Agreed.
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Why not play Traore instead of Sinclair? Who offers nothing. And Gil for Westwood. Garde is clueless and too negative.
First three sentences pretty much what I was declaiming from Row N seat 539 throughout the second half.
Fourth sentence: he's a bit too "safe" in my view. He wanted the point rather than risk all 3. I don't necessarily agree with him but appreciate his thinking.
Me? I would have brought Traore on for at least 20 minutes and let him have a run at them...the ball "holding up in the conditions" as some mention, works two ways! I think their plodding defenders - especially towards the end of an arduous game - would have been fu*ked!
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Not sure if conditions contributed to it but Guzan was poor for their goal.
I didn't think the conditions played a part at all. Lescott lost his man at the corner and Guzan parried a weak shot which was virtually straight at him into the corner of the net. Ugly, soft goal and very preventable.
Defensively it pretty much summed us up so far this season.
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The parallel with 69/70 is a good one. There have been a few times this season where I have thought 'this is what it was like'. By the time Docherty was sacked - February - we had only won 4 all season. Vic Crowe had to deal with a squad that had a fair few good players but was totally disorganised, demoralised and had got into the habit of losing.
Crowe won only one of his first 11, but in that time there was a clear progression from a dishevelled rabble to a squad that had belief and fight.
Grade has to do the same thing, and seems to be getting along the path. Sure it would have been nice to have won today, but to me the bigger thing was the way the team picked themselves off the floor and had a go, and with no little ability too.
I can see us getting to a point where we can go into games with confidence and win them. Whether that happens soon enough is a different matter but I can't believe that people are slamming Garde for the way he is going about things.
Looking forward to Boxing Day.
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Veretout was the best player on the pitch
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Was there a touch of offside for their goal? Crap defending regardless but I felt that one of their players was standing not quite right in front of Guzan but seemingly behind our last defender.
Better second half. More belief from many of them. I quite enjoyed watching but the transfer window can't come soon enough. Keeper and a centre back, ball winner in midfield and a clever mover up front.
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Such a disappointment that Garde didn't have the ambition to go for the win. Newcastle were poor in the second half, but soon as we equalised we just sat back again. Dont see why Garde is getting so many plaudits at the moment if I'm honest. Far too negative for my liking and I've come to the conclusion he isn't the answer.
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Such a disappointment that Garde didn't have the ambition to go for the win. Newcastle were poor in the second half, but soon as we equalised we just sat back again. Dont see why Garde is getting so many plaudits at the moment if I'm honest. Far too negative for my liking and I've come to the conclusion he isn't the answer.
Do you really think it's a lack of ambition?
Perhaps he doesn't trust the team to defend when playing a more open style.
Perhaps he is unconvinced by the more attacking options at his disposal.
I'm sure that Garde is desperately trying to establish a platform of stability on which to accumulate points. Thing is, he probably thinks he's got enough time.
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Such a disappointment that Garde didn't have the ambition to go for the win. Newcastle were poor in the second half, but soon as we equalised we just sat back again. Dont see why Garde is getting so many plaudits at the moment if I'm honest. Far too negative for my liking and I've come to the conclusion he isn't the answer.
Can't agree with this. The team had just come from behind for only the second time all season. It would have been catastrophic if they had then gone on to lose the game.
We continued to be the better side after we equalised ,it's not like we put 11 men behind the ball.
Gestede caused them a lot of problems when he came on and was unlucky not to get the winner.
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I don't think we sat back after we scored, there was a 5-10 minute spell where we were all over them after it. They came back into it but I think that was more to do with them than us. The time wasting in injury time was a bit embarrassing and not what the away end were shouting for but on the other hand a breakaway goal for them at that time would have been a sickener.
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Not sure if conditions contributed to it but Guzan was poor for their goal.
I didn't think the conditions played a part at all. Lescott lost his man at the corner and Guzan parried a weak shot which was virtually straight at him into the corner of the net. Ugly, soft goal and very preventable.
Defensively it pretty much summed us up so far this season.
I can't imagine how poorly Bunn must be training to not get a start.
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Not sure if conditions contributed to it but Guzan was poor for their goal.
I didn't think the conditions played a part at all. Lescott lost his man at the corner and Guzan parried a weak shot which was virtually straight at him into the corner of the net. Ugly, soft goal and very preventable.
Defensively it pretty much summed us up so far this season.
I can't imagine how poorly Bunn must be training to not get a start.
Agreed, a very preventable goal which the lamentable Guzan helped on its way. He is truly awful.
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Such a disappointment that Garde didn't have the ambition to go for the win. Newcastle were poor in the second half, but soon as we equalised we just sat back again. Dont see why Garde is getting so many plaudits at the moment if I'm honest. Far too negative for my liking and I've come to the conclusion he isn't the answer.
Can't agree with this. The team had just come from behind for only the second time all season. It would have been catastrophic if they had then gone on to lose the game.
We continued to be the better side after we equalised ,it's not like we put 11 men behind the ball.
Gestede caused them a lot of problems when he came on and was unlucky not to get the winner.
Trouble is that the situation we're in draws are no good. We need to start taking more risks.
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Just watched highlights of MOTD. It's the soft goals that are killing us. Veretout was excellent. Ayew 1st half was piss poor but great 2nd half. Hilarious comment from Jenas. After describing Ayews brilliant goal he said "Villa are doomed as I don't see any goals in them"
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Three draws under Garde is an improvement on what went before but it is unlikely to be enough. The second half yesterday hinted at what the players are capable of, unfortunately in a different way so did the first half.
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Garde is doing fine with the hand he's been dealt.
First signing for me a keeper followed by a natural solid left back , Richards right back or even Adam.
Goalscoring midfielder please also, guess most of these will be loans or short term deals.
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Happy with the point. I've given up on the season so just looking positives and as has been said already, and SGT quoted, we've got to stop going backwards first and the second half yesterday and against Arsenal shows that there is some promise there.
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This 'it's effectively 11 points because of the goal difference' thing.
Can we stop it? Newcastle' goal difference is 4 better than ours. It is actually pretty much impossible to make up 10 points WITHOUT turning round a goal difference of 4! (Edit: it IS impossible)
It is 10 points, that is bad enough - there is really no need to try and think of ways of making it worse.
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I am going to offer everyone a tiny bit of hope.
Everyone is banging on about us having the least number of points at this stage of the season and all that. Fair enough.
It is worth noting that even after Boxing Day's fixtures last year, Leicester still only had 10 points. At the end of January, Leicester had 17 points from 23 games. At the end of February Leicester only had 18 points from 26 games. As late as 4th April, after 30 games incredibly, Leicester were still only on 22 points. So it is possible to accrue points quickly.
I realise it is faint hope, however, considering the gap, but it is worth noting how quickly things can look different.
Well when you put it like that we may still have a slither of a chance.
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Yes the performance was a bit better and the spirit/effort has certainly improved.
However, Newcastle missed two absolute sitters.
If De Jong had put that header away, there'd have been no way back
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Yes the performance was a bit better and the spirit/effort has certainly improved.
However, Newcastle missed two absolute sitters.
If De Jong had put that header away, there'd have been no way back
When he missed that header (which he should have buried), I thought it was a sign that we'd go on and get something.
Let's hope that the second half performance has given the players some belief. The three games coming up are all winnable, especially the Sunderland one who look bloody awful at the back again.
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De Jongs miss was one of the worst I've seen in a long time.
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De Jongs miss was one of the worst I've seen in a long time.
Why did our players seem to stop in the build up to that? Ball went wide and nobody made any attempt to get out to it.
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I am going to offer everyone a tiny bit of hope.
Everyone is banging on about us having the least number of points at this stage of the season and all that. Fair enough.
It is worth noting that even after Boxing Day's fixtures last year, Leicester still only had 10 points. At the end of January, Leicester had 17 points from 23 games. At the end of February Leicester only had 18 points from 26 games. As late as 4th April, after 30 games incredibly, Leicester were still only on 22 points. So it is possible to accrue points quickly.
I realise it is faint hope, however, considering the gap, but it is worth noting how quickly things can look different.
Well when you put it like that we may still have a slither of a chance.
I admire the optimism but Leicester won 7 of their last 9 games losing only to champions Chelsea, are you seriously saying this squad are capable of doing anything similiar.
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I'm not sure but the same could've been said for the aforementioned Leicester. Of course we could also have some additional players with a bit more Premier League savvy by then.
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Yes the performance was a bit better and the spirit/effort has certainly improved.
However, Newcastle missed two absolute sitters.
If De Jong had put that header away, there'd have been no way back
And if we'd have done the basics from that corner that they scored from as well we'd have ended up (in theory) with three points.
I think we need strengthening in all areas, but the back seems to be a priority.
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Yes the performance was a bit better and the spirit/effort has certainly improved.
However, Newcastle missed two absolute sitters.
If De Jong had put that header away, there'd have been no way back
And if we'd have done the basics from that corner that they scored from as well we'd have ended up (in theory) with three points.
I think we need strengthening in all areas, but the back seems to be a priority.
Sanchez, Gana and Westwood I would say midfield equal priority
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Yes the performance was a bit better and the spirit/effort has certainly improved.
However, Newcastle missed two absolute sitters.
If De Jong had put that header away, there'd have been no way back
And if we'd have done the basics from that corner that they scored from as well we'd have ended up (in theory) with three points.
I think we need strengthening in all areas, but the back seems to be a priority.
Sanchez, Gana and Westwood I would say midfield equal priority
A keeper. A left back. A midfield enforcer.Priorities.
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This 'it's effectively 11 points because of the goal difference' thing.
Can we stop it? Newcastle' goal difference is 4 better than ours. It is actually pretty much impossible to make up 10 points WITHOUT turning round a goal difference of 4! (Edit: it IS impossible)
It is 10 points, that is bad enough - there is really no need to try and think of ways of making it worse.
For sure if we make up the points difference goal difference will not be an issue.
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I am going to offer everyone a tiny bit of hope.
Everyone is banging on about us having the least number of points at this stage of the season and all that. Fair enough.
It is worth noting that even after Boxing Day's fixtures last year, Leicester still only had 10 points. At the end of January, Leicester had 17 points from 23 games. At the end of February Leicester only had 18 points from 26 games. As late as 4th April, after 30 games incredibly, Leicester were still only on 22 points. So it is possible to accrue points quickly.
I realise it is faint hope, however, considering the gap, but it is worth noting how quickly things can look different.
Well when you put it like that we may still have a slither of a chance.
I admire the optimism but Leicester won 7 of their last 9 games losing only to champions Chelsea, are you seriously saying this squad are capable of doing anything similiar.
This time last year they were 5 points from safety we are double that.
Far too much to make up especially on current form
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Stats are there for breaking
I've took heart from yesterdays performance, a solid well deserved point
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If do we stay up it's going to be a hell of an enjoyable 2nd half of the season so let's take that positive thought into Xmas and merry Xmas to you all.
Whatever happens I'll still be Villa and proud of it.
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Yes the performance was a bit better and the spirit/effort has certainly improved.
However, Newcastle missed two absolute sitters.
If De Jong had put that header away, there'd have been no way back
And if we'd have done the basics from that corner that they scored from as well we'd have ended up (in theory) with three points.
I think we need strengthening in all areas, but the back seems to be a priority.
Sanchez, Gana and Westwood I would say midfield equal priority
A keeper. A left back. A midfield enforcer.Priorities.
I think the following side could be beginning to shape:
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Richards Okore Lescott ?
? Gana
Traore Veretout Ayew
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If we can fill those four spaces with better options than we currently have then we might just stand a chance.
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I am going to offer everyone a tiny bit of hope.
Everyone is banging on about us having the least number of points at this stage of the season and all that. Fair enough.
It is worth noting that even after Boxing Day's fixtures last year, Leicester still only had 10 points. At the end of January, Leicester had 17 points from 23 games. At the end of February Leicester only had 18 points from 26 games. As late as 4th April, after 30 games incredibly, Leicester were still only on 22 points. So it is possible to accrue points quickly.
I realise it is faint hope, however, considering the gap, but it is worth noting how quickly things can look different.
Well when you put it like that we may still have a slither of a chance.
I admire the optimism but Leicester won 7 of their last 9 games losing only to champions Chelsea, are you seriously saying this squad are capable of doing anything similiar.
This time last year they were 5 points from safety we are double that.
Far too much to make up especially on current form
But Leicester did finish with 41 points, 6 points clear of the relegation zone. I think if we are going to do it, it needs to be starting over Xmas and not in March. To be fair I doubt we will turn it around but with so much of the season left you never know.
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Only thing that happened yesterday was we now have a 10 point gap to close.
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I think next Saturday is a make or break and we need to win to have a chance of staying up. Do that and we can genuinely start a fight back.
A good point yesterday all things told.
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Stats are there for breaking
I've took heart from yesterdays performance, a solid well deserved point
If only the defending for that corner had been "solid"!
More like something smeared on a nappy!
Keeping the faith!
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I am going to offer everyone a tiny bit of hope.
Everyone is banging on about us having the least number of points at this stage of the season and all that. Fair enough.
It is worth noting that even after Boxing Day's fixtures last year, Leicester still only had 10 points. At the end of January, Leicester had 17 points from 23 games. At the end of February Leicester only had 18 points from 26 games. As late as 4th April, after 30 games incredibly, Leicester were still only on 22 points. So it is possible to accrue points quickly.
I realise it is faint hope, however, considering the gap, but it is worth noting how quickly things can look different.
Well when you put it like that we may still have a slither of a chance.
I admire the optimism but Leicester won 7 of their last 9 games losing only to champions Chelsea, are you seriously saying this squad are capable of doing anything similiar.
21 Games left, 63 points to play for, possibly we could survive on 38 .
Ergo....30 points required . 1.5.points per game should ensure safety ( how easy that sounds ! ) .............Godzvilla!
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I have a horrible feeling the proverbial 40 may be required this season.
Stupid stupid missed opportunities under Dim when we played lots of teams with zero form. Many Utd, Swansea, Chelsea, Liverpool, Stoke, sunderland
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I admire the optimism but Leicester won 7 of their last 9 games losing only to champions Chelsea, are you seriously saying this squad are capable of doing anything similiar.
However Leicester did not need all those wins to survive. They finished mid table.
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I am going to offer everyone a tiny bit of hope.
Everyone is banging on about us having the least number of points at this stage of the season and all that. Fair enough.
It is worth noting that even after Boxing Day's fixtures last year, Leicester still only had 10 points. At the end of January, Leicester had 17 points from 23 games. At the end of February Leicester only had 18 points from 26 games. As late as 4th April, after 30 games incredibly, Leicester were still only on 22 points. So it is possible to accrue points quickly.
I realise it is faint hope, however, considering the gap, but it is worth noting how quickly things can look different.
Well when you put it like that we may still have a slither of a chance.
I admire the optimism but Leicester won 7 of their last 9 games losing only to champions Chelsea, are you seriously saying this squad are capable of doing anything similiar.
This time last year they were 5 points from safety we are double that.
Far too much to make up especially on current form
Current form will see us relegated by the end of January so all calculations are obviously based on us improving on that.
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1st time post-nobody commented?? on 2 newcastle players in offside positions for goal-i'm a ref & coach u16; 1 clearly interfering;
get off guzan's back-defence affects gk after yrs of crap in front of him!
dreadful atmosphere v. gunners-gestede incredibly limited but will replace soon/need a focus-gil for sinclair:grealish deliver now or sell! we go again-NOT!!
WE GO TOGETHER with 3 good signings
(1st game 1968 hull)
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I think next Saturday is a make or break and we need to win to have a chance of staying up. Do that and we can genuinely start a fight back.
A good point yesterday all things told.
rob yes we need 3 points but it's not make or break next week. That only comes when math is involved. We don't need insurmountable pressure on players. Let's pick up points where we can till jan window opens and then see.
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1st time post-nobody commented?? on 2 newcastle players in offside positions for goal-i'm a ref & coach u16; 1 clearly interfering;
get off guzan's back-defence affects gk after yrs of crap in front of him!
dreadful atmosphere v. gunners-gestede incredibly limited but will replace soon/need a focus-gil for sinclair:grealish deliver now or sell! we go again-NOT!!
WE GO TOGETHER with 3 good signings
(1st game 1968 hull)
Welcome regarrad. Quite unique writing style but hey we are nothing if not a diverse group.
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Guzan has had a terrible year but some of the criticism on here makes the Daily Heil treatment of Jeremy Corbyn look like a backslapping convention.
He was excellent 2012 and 2013 with a dire defence. He was good in 2014 with a marginally better defence. In fact he was fine until Lambert/Sherwood thought playing Given instead of him was a good idea. He has been shit this year with guess what another dire defence.
He needs a rest if we can get someone better. He needs a rest from some of the (unjustifable) criticism.
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Current form will see us relegated by the end of January so all calculations are obviously based on us improving on that.
No. That is likely to be the away game at Mancity on March 5th. That's 10th game from end of season. At that stage it's unlike that 3 teams will be 30 points ahead of us.
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I think next Saturday is a make or break and we need to win to have a chance of staying up. Do that and we can genuinely start a fight back.
A good point yesterday all things told.
rob yes we need 3 points but it's not make or break next week. That only comes when math is involved. We don't need insurmountable pressure on players. Let's pick up points where we can till jan window opens and then see.
I think a win on Boxing Day is vital followed up by winning at least one from Norwich and Sunderland. Normally nine or ten wins gets you over the line, we can't wait much longer for win number two. I am not thinking we can stay up but if we can win a couple quickly hope will return.
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1st time post-nobody commented?? on 2 newcastle players in offside positions for goal-i'm a ref & coach u16; 1 clearly interfering;
get off guzan's back-defence affects gk after yrs of crap in front of him!
dreadful atmosphere v. gunners-gestede incredibly limited but will replace soon/need a focus-gil for sinclair:grealish deliver now or sell! we go again-NOT!!
WE GO TOGETHER with 3 good signings
(1st game 1968 hull)
Welcome regarrad. Quite unique writing style but hey we are nothing if not a diverse group.
thanks for 'welcome'- cut the patronising comment!! (& the misspelling of name)why not answer/ respond to the salient point-offside error....
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1st time post-nobody commented?? on 2 newcastle players in offside positions for goal-i'm a ref & coach u16; 1 clearly interfering;
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A couple have commented rgarrad. I thought it may have been offside, but had a quick look this morning and although a Newcastle player is indeed standing in front of Guzan, he is being played onside by Hutton. Lazy defending by Hutton who is adding nothing being where he is and should have been busting a gut to join the defensive line level with the edge of the six yard box, as Westwood is doing.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/iva5w1.jpg)
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I think next Saturday is a make or break and we need to win to have a chance of staying up. Do that and we can genuinely start a fight back.
A good point yesterday all things told.
rob yes we need 3 points but it's not make or break next week. That only comes when math is involved. We don't need insurmountable pressure on players. Let's pick up points where we can till jan window opens and then see.
I think a win on Boxing Day is vital followed up by winning at least one from Norwich and Sunderland. Normally nine or ten wins gets you over the line, we can't wait much longer for win number two. I am not thinking we can stay up but if we can win a couple quickly hope will return.
Minimum 5 points from next 3 games is needed.
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Ayew's goal (https://vine.co/v/iKbuUe70bp1)
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Olaftab
Pay attention in class
Spell regards name right and no patronising pleAse
And comment on his question
3/10
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1st time post-nobody commented?? on 2 newcastle players in offside positions for goal-i'm a ref & coach u16; 1 clearly interfering;
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A couple have commented rgarrad. I thought it may have been offside, but had a quick look this morning and although a Newcastle player is indeed standing in front of Guzan, he is being played onside by Hutton. Lazy defending by Hutton who is adding nothing being where he is and should have been busting a gut to join the defensive line level with the edge of the six yard box, as Westwood is doing.
thanks for this steve r, i only saw last night live; lescott doing same (didnt he do same v. baggies?) for their incredible miss when 3 villans too busy gesticulating to lino -but allowing free cross/ unmarked header
(http://i68.tinypic.com/iva5w1.jpg)
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Not seen their goal, Steve R's photo looks damning initially, but I dunno how come Hutton was in there, so I'll reserve judgement until I can get hold of the feckin telly remote.
But just watched Leeg's post of ours.
Fuck. Me.
Del Piero, anyone?
I'm becoming of the belief that we should just sign blokes called Jordan.
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Both goals and highlights (http://www.flashscores.co.uk/match/nwWX6BkJ/#video)
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thanks for 'welcome'- cut the patronising comment!! (& the misspelling of name)why not answer/ respond to the salient point-offside error....
Apologies. This will not happen again I assure you. I am also, now, pleased that I didn't point out your error on offside comment.
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Not seen their goal, Steve R's photo looks damning initially, but I dunno how come Hutton was in there, so I'll reserve judgement until I can get hold of the feckin telly remote.
But just watched Leeg's post of ours.
Fuck. Me.
Del Piero, anyone?
I'm becoming of the belief that we should just sign blokes called Jordan.
won't allow me to quote to legion post(?) but having viewed video: on 4 secs of video as shot appears to go-hutton has come further out & genuine case for player in front of flight of ball to be marginally offside- would need tv line across/ in line camera to confirm; but no doubt 'asst ref' 60 yards behind ref would have a better view ala gunners & be able to correct ref!?
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thanks for 'welcome'- cut the patronising comment!! (& the misspelling of name)why not answer/ respond to the salient point-offside error....
Apologies. This will not happen again I assure you. I am also, now, pleased that I didn't point out your error on offside comment.
you sad people (added to class of 82 ''humour??'' to his fellow regular/inbred?), very close call re offside if you look at video, I only saw live-didnt realise this site was for chosen few-great way to encourage new posters, UTV
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Well that escalated quickly.
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1st time post-nobody commented?? on 2 newcastle players in offside positions for goal-i'm a ref & coach u16; 1 clearly interfering;
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A couple have commented rgarrad. I thought it may have been offside, but had a quick look this morning and although a Newcastle player is indeed standing in front of Guzan, he is being played onside by Hutton. Lazy defending by Hutton who is adding nothing being where he is and should have been busting a gut to join the defensive line level with the edge of the six yard box, as Westwood is doing.
thanks for this steve r, i only saw last night live; lescott doing same (didnt he do same v. baggies?) for their incredible miss when 3 villans too busy gesticulating to lino -but allowing free cross/ unmarked header
(http://i68.tinypic.com/iva5w1.jpg)
That is stilled slightly before the ball is being kicked though. The replay of the side angle suggested he was slightly offside.
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Just got back.
Although only a draw there we positives for me. Some fight, a good second half display and Ayew & Veretout looking better every week.
We need to now remain unbeaten (and get at least 2 wins) till the transfer window to have a very slim chance of survival.
Looking forward to my next away game at Sunderland!
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Rgarrard - i'm as sensitive as they come when getting the hump with people's replies on here but don't take it too seriously mate. They're a good crowd on here all in all. And you have to concede your writing style is rather eccentric!
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Decent enough draw, given that they have hit a bit of form and we were away from home, but really at this point a draw against one of our main rivals just isn't good enough. At least we did well to get back in the game after another dire first half, great goal too. We're moving in the right direction, but too slowly.
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If we weren't in the shit yesterday would have been an acceptable result. So I'm taking that as a positive. If we do go down I don't want it to be total humiliation..we are capable of results , trouble is we've got a mountain to climb...so come on villa , climb the fuckin mountain. The view at the top will be fantastic.
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On the matter of offside, does anyone think like I do, that when offside 'incidents' are replayed on TV, the moment when the action is paused, and purporting to show when the ball is kicked, is not actually when the ball is kicked, it's ever so slightly before the ball is kicked?
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If we weren't in the shit yesterday would have been an acceptable result. So I'm taking that as a positive. If we do go down I don't want it to be total humiliation..we are capable of results , trouble is we've got a mountain to climb...so come on villa , climb the fuckin mountain. The view at the top will be fantastic.
Very true. I guess it will only look a good point if we go on to get a couple of wins over the next few weeks, a bit like after the solid display against City, because we didn't follow that up it took the shine off it. But with more games against the teams around us its now or never...
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appreciate the thought/effort(-keep practising copying 7 letters in a name accurately lads) sadly another post that doesnt refer to the substantive point- possible offside- merely surprised tv didnt raise it at all when it appears very close.
later price post refers to an issue i see all the time when reffing- ludicrous claims for offside from players & dreadful flagging from 'their linos' as not judging when ball played.
re- style (which i find wonderfully ironic coming from denizens of this site)-a stream of consciousness describes in words the flow of thoughts in the mind/reactions to events; James Joyce, Virginia Woolf, and Marcel Proust are among its notable early exponents-introduced in 1890; we shall probably sign proust in jan window
personally i'd rather stick to the football & the fact that o'neil has just spoken, for i think the 1st time, of 'the rewriting of history' which this site has been such a proponent of re his success/ foibles.
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appreciate the thought/effort(-keep practising copying 7 letters in a name accurately lads) sadly another post that doesnt refer to the substantive point- possible offside- merely surprised tv didnt raise it at all when it appears very close.
later price post refers to an issue i see all the time when reffing- ludicrous claims for offside from players & dreadful flagging from 'their linos' as not judging when ball played.
re- style (which i find wonderfully ironic coming from denizens of this site)-a stream of consciousness describes in words the flow of thoughts in the mind/reactions to events; James Joyce, Virginia Woolf, and Marcel Proust are among its notable early exponents-introduced in 1890; we shall probably sign proust in jan window
personally i'd rather stick to the football & the fact that o'neil has just spoken, for i think the 1st time, of 'the rewriting of history' which this site has been such a proponent of re his success/ foibles.
Can you go and be a judgemental snob somewhere else please...
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appreciate the thought/effort(-keep practising copying 7 letters in a name accurately lads) sadly another post that doesnt refer to the substantive point- possible offside- merely surprised tv didnt raise it at all when it appears very close.
later price post refers to an issue i see all the time when reffing- ludicrous claims for offside from players & dreadful flagging from 'their linos' as not judging when ball played.
re- style (which i find wonderfully ironic coming from denizens of this site)-a stream of consciousness describes in words the flow of thoughts in the mind/reactions to events; James Joyce, Virginia Woolf, and Marcel Proust are among its notable early exponents-introduced in 1890; we shall probably sign proust in jan window
personally i'd rather stick to the football & the fact that o'neil has just spoken, for i think the 1st time, of 'the rewriting of history' which this site has been such a proponent of re his success/ foibles.
It's quite odd that a 1st time poster rgarrad takes umbridge to a fairly innocuous response about a writing style. And then lumps that poster in with other posters as being part of a sad group.
This site is not for the chosen few. People often do and should disagree; if we all agreed it would be a very boring place.
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Neediest poster ever to have posted on the Internet.
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appreciate the thought/effort(-keep practising copying 7 letters in a name accurately lads) sadly another post that doesnt refer to the substantive point- possible offside- merely surprised tv didnt raise it at all when it appears very close.
later price post refers to an issue i see all the time when reffing- ludicrous claims for offside from players & dreadful flagging from 'their linos' as not judging when ball played.
re- style (which i find wonderfully ironic coming from denizens of this site)-a stream of consciousness describes in words the flow of thoughts in the mind/reactions to events; James Joyce, Virginia Woolf, and Marcel Proust are among its notable early exponents-introduced in 1890; we shall probably sign proust in jan window
personally i'd rather stick to the football & the fact that o'neil has just spoken, for i think the 1st time, of 'the rewriting of history' which this site has been such a proponent of re his success/ foibles.
Strange combination of pretentiousness and terrible grammar.
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They were a childish and unnecessary responses, the end result is pretty much par for the course as internet boards go.
It is pretty clear now that rgarrad is not entirely new to this site but there was nothing to indicate that at the time.
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#sadnessinhiseyes
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Strange combination of pretentiousness and terrible grammar.
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6 consecutive posts & not one referred to the initial point i raised- quality indeed; must be some sort of a crime to respond to what is actually written-i was frustrated about a decision & raised a query with i thought a reasonable set of long-time supporters- remind me of the pissed up idiots who called themselves fans at the last man u final
how did rommel lose to this standard of discussion?
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#sadnessinhiseyes
A bit lost on me I am afraid, but just to enter into the spirit of things - and to be on the safe side ..
#prick
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Rgarrad, several posters have referred to your initial point about offside for the Newcastle goal.
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Strange combination of pretentiousness and terrible grammar.
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6 consecutive posts & not one referred to the initial point i raised- quality indeed; must be some sort of a crime to respond to what is actually written-i was frustrated about a decision & raised a query with i thought a reasonable set of long-time supporters- remind me of the pissed up idiots who called themselves fans at the last man u final
how did rommel lose to this standard of discussion?
Well indeed Rommel did lose to this standard of discussion. Which goes to show the power and strength and fortitude of the standard of discussion that has defeated you, too. Don't feel isolated even the best succumb.
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Rgarrad, several posters have referred to your initial point about offside for the Newcastle goal/quote]
i was referring to the last 6 consecutive ones that didnt- please also allow now for the elequent 'prick' quote 7th-; can now suspect what the r in steve r stands for...
even you didnt give any opinion on the offside item, but at least werent offensive about it
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Not seen their goal, Steve R's photo looks damning initially, but I dunno how come Hutton was in there, so I'll reserve judgement until I can get hold of the feckin telly remote.
But just watched Leeg's post of ours.
Fuck. Me.
Del Piero, anyone?
I'm becoming of the belief that we should just sign blokes called Jordan.
Me too, Jordan Ibe on loan should be our top target
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Strange combination of pretentiousness and terrible grammar.
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6 consecutive posts & not one referred to the initial point i raised- quality indeed; must be some sort of a crime to respond to what is actually written-i was frustrated about a decision & raised a query with i thought a reasonable set of long-time supporters- remind me of the pissed up idiots who called themselves fans at the last man u final
how did rommel lose to this standard of discussion?
Well indeed Rommel did lose to this standard of discussion. Which goes to show the power and strength and fortitude of the standard of discussion that has defeated you, too. Don't feel isolated even the best succumb.
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not sure spike milligan agreed but thanks for the 'gunner who' reminder of wonderful humour
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Does anyone think the Newcastle goal was offside
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Just got back.
Although only a draw there we positives for me. Some fight, a good second half display and Ayew & Veretout looking better every week.
We need to now remain unbeaten (and get at least 2 wins) till the transfer window to have a very slim chance of survival.
Looking forward to my next away game at Sunderland!
Just thought you might like to know that Chris Waddle on my feed described the Villa away support as "extraordinary". He was right. A credit to the club!
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Strange combination of pretentiousness and terrible grammar.
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6 consecutive posts & not one referred to the initial point i raised- quality indeed; must be some sort of a crime to respond to what is actually written-i was frustrated about a decision & raised a query with i thought a reasonable set of long-time supporters- remind me of the pissed up idiots who called themselves fans at the last man u final
how did rommel lose to this standard of discussion?
Having not seen the goal back I don't have an opinion either way whether it was offside or not.
Seeing it live on TV I didn't immediately think offside. Given it went straight to Collicini who bundled it at the back last post I wasn't really focused on that; more that the ball made it all the way to a player unmarked at the back post from a pretty poor delivery.
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Does anyone think the Newcastle goal was offside
As somebody who has reffed a few Under 9's matches I haven't a fucking clue.
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Does anyone think the Newcastle goal was offside
That depends on if you are part of the sad inbred crowd or new wave progressive trail blazers? I will not answer till you out yourself!
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Does anyone think the Newcastle goal was offside
That depends on if you are part of the sad inbred crowd or new wave progressive trail blazers? I will not answer till you out yourself!
I think it may have been, but possibly also not. It sort of depends who's asking
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What happened to the clique? Do we still have one?
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What happened to the clique? Do we still have one?
The fact that you *don't know* speaks volumes.
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Just a thought I had during yesterdays match. Was Carlos Sanchez having difficulties with seeing the play clearly through those goggles he is wearing to protect an injury. The rain was coming down in stainrods (ho ho) and it must have affected his vision to a certain extent.
Anyway their goal was Lescotts fault and Lescotts alone!
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Class_of_82
Go and stand in the bad humour corner
And the others in the inbred corner
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Will I be onside if they are in the corner?
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People go on about the fact their goal could have been offside, but has anybody mentioned the fact if we had had someone on the post, the goal would have been prevented.
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Bad English
You had better ask rgggaaarrrdd about that one
Remember though no patronising
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For the record I think it was on. But who the fuck can really fully explain the modern offside rule. Even the officials clearly don't know. Numberwang is easier to follow.
For me Hutton was half asleep and playing them on.
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(1st game 1968 hull)
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Wright Aitken Hole....
Hole made debut that day. Their goal was definitely offside.
I made up one part of this post.
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Bad English
You had better ask rgggaaarrrdd about that one
Remember though no patronising
I shall refer to him as R2G2 to avoid any bollockings for misspelt pseudonyms.
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(1st game 1968 hull)
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Wright Aitken Hole....
Hole made debut that day. Their goal was definitely offside.
I made up one part of this post.
Did you forget your Arce?
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It would have been nice but he wasn't in the team that day.
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It would have been nice but he wasn't in the team that day.
Never actually happened, did it? Only in somebody's dream!!!! (if they are they way inclined - apologies in advance if I am not allowed to say that!)
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In those days in our squad we had Brown Arce Hole
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I read on here that it did not. I was amused to find Wright Aitken Hole on the teamsheet (http://www.11v11.com/matches/aston-villa-v-hull-city-14-september-1968-113909/) along with Big Dick Edwards.
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I have accepted that we are almost certain to be relegated. What I want to see is the team improving and that will only come with confidence restored to most of the players, together with some new players. We have to stabilise before we can go forward so a I was happy with the draw but more so with the 2nd half performance.
A turn around of form and results is not going to happen like the flick of a switch. The weakness of the squad is giving Garde few options to do anything other than trying to grind out results. I want improved performances between now and the end of the season and if we secure enough points and stay up, great but I am not thinking we must win the next x of y matches.
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I read on here that it did not. I was amused to find Wright Aitken Hole on the teamsheet (http://www.11v11.com/matches/aston-villa-v-hull-city-14-september-1968-113909/) along with Big Dick Edwards.
Not forgetting Willie Anderson
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Big dick Edwards playing just behind a midfield four of
Little. Brown arce Hole
Now that would of been eye watering
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I am just happy that we weren't beaten again. I know we needed three points and a score around the nil-10 mark but it feels great to say "Fuck me! We didn't lose."
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They were a childish and unnecessary responses, the end result is pretty much par for the course as internet boards go.
It is pretty clear now that rgarrad is not entirely new to this site but there was nothing to indicate that at the time.
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apart from your bad english, to paraphrase that shooter of strikers- churchill (probably a hero of yours) today you sir are a cretin, but in the morning i will no longer be a 1st time poster.
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Will I be onside if they are in the corner?
just follow lacking in class 80's- you should be about right together
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In the morning i will no longer be a poster.
Fixed.
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They were a childish and unnecessary responses, the end result is pretty much par for the course as internet boards go.
It is pretty clear now that rgarrad is not entirely new to this site but there was nothing to indicate that at the time.
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apart from your bad english, to paraphrase that shooter of strikers- churchill (probably a hero of yours) today you sir are a cretin, but in the morning i will no longer be a 1st time poster.
Keep this up and you won't be a poster at all.
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Will I be onside if they are in the corner?
just follow lacking in class 80's- you should be about right together
Don't go, you've finally managed to work out how to use the quote button.
I have to say you're a bit needy and high maintenance though.
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Will I be onside if they are in the corner?
just follow lacking in class 80's- you should be about right together
Sorry. Welcome to the site rgarrad! Great to see another passionate follower of the Claret and Blue swelling our ranks. Great point about the offside for their goal!
How do you think we'll do against West Ham?
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Like many I was really encouraged by the 2nd half performance. I definately think there is an improvement under Garde. We just need to get a home win and see what happens to the confidence of the players. I am almost looking forward to Boxing day!!
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Will I be onside if they are in the corner?
just follow lacking in class 80's- you should be about right together
Sorry. Welcome to the site rgarrad! Great to see another passionate follower of the Claret and Blue swelling our ranks. Great point about the offside for their goal!
How do you think we'll do against West Ham?
Shoddy posting BE. There are a host of subjects quite properly considered important by R2D2 that you have not commented on. Please painstakingly trawl through all his posts and make sure you have addressed all of his concerns before posting again.
I find it helps to PM him with your proposed posts to ensure it meets with his approval before submitting them and allowing the inbreds to read them.
Thank you.
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They were a childish and unnecessary responses, the end result is pretty much par for the course as internet boards go.
It is pretty clear now that rgarrad is not entirely new to this site but there was nothing to indicate that at the time.
apart from your bad english, to paraphrase that shooter of strikers- churchill (probably a hero of yours) today you sir are a cretin, but in the morning i will no longer be a 1st time poster.
Keep this up and you won't be a poster at all.
Jesus H. Christ you could not make this up. Feel free to correct my English; it may be a little angular but I was distracted at the time.
Please do not insult cretins and for what it is worth my car insurance goes through Churchill, that nodding dog knows a thing or two, stand on me.
p.s.
Bad English most definitely speaks for himself, and does not belong to me in any way.
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You've done it now rgarrad (checks spelling), it's one thing to take on the 'in crowd' but the Ace Face is on the case now.
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Will I be onside if they are in the corner?
just follow lacking in class 80's- you should be about right together
That's some axe you seem to want to grind.
Why not just start a new thread calling out those you feel wronged by in the past 24 hours (based on your posting timeline) rather than derailing this one.
And by the way no, the Newcastle goal wasn't offside for what it's worth.
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And if you can't see that the Newcastle goal was legitimate and, as you say you are a referee then, your referee coach needs fucking with the rough end of a ragman's trumpet for not being able to get the offside law across to you.
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Shoddy posting BE. There are a host of subjects quite properly considered important by R2D2
That'll learn me to post on H&V while shagging my sister.
And it's R2G2. Get in the corner!
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Bad English
Shagging your sister ??
Now that is definetley off side unless Hutton was in the room then you would of been onside
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Imagine someone logging onto this thread for the first time and bad English is talking about shagging his sister and inbreds
You gotta laugh
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People go on about the fact their goal could have been offside, but has anybody mentioned the fact if we had had someone on the post, the goal would have been prevented.
That's crazy talk. It would have clearly ricocheted between keeper and defender several times before squirming agonisingly over the line, whilst defenders last gasp swipe at the ball connected with keeper's hand, breaking 5 bones
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Will I be onside if they are in the corner?
just follow lacking in class 80's- you should be about right together
That's some axe you seem to want to grind.
Why not just start a new thread calling out those you feel wronged by in the past 24 hours (based on your posting timeline) rather than derailing this one.
And by the way no, the Newcastle goal wasn't offside for what it's worth.
It most definitely was offside - Guzan was interfered with - if a player standing right in front of the goalkeeper is not interfering with play we might as well turn the lights off and go home
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You've done it now rgarrad (checks spelling), it's one thing to take on the 'in crowd' but the Ace Face is on the case now.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SCfzigfoi4k
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Will I be onside if they are in the corner?
just follow lacking in class 80's- you should be about right together
That's some axe you seem to want to grind.
Why not just start a new thread calling out those you feel wronged by in the past 24 hours (based on your posting timeline) rather than derailing this one.
And by the way no, the Newcastle goal wasn't offside for what it's worth.
It most definitely was offside - Guzan was interfered with - if a player standing right in front of the goalkeeper is not interfering with play we might as well turn the lights off and go home
but Guzan was nowhere near enough to be interfering with play,check his position.
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It most definitely was offside - Guzan was interfered with - if a player standing right in front of the goalkeeper is not interfering with play we might as well turn the lights off and go home
yes indeed they were interfering however played on by Hutton.
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I would just like to point out that I haven't actually got a sister.
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I would just like to point out that I haven't actually got a sister.
Shame
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Anyway, back to the Barcodes. I didn't see the game so I couldn't comment on offsides or whether Rémi should have gone with six strikers at 1-1. Instead I have some H&V posts from the 24th May 2009 to remind us of our exemplary sporting attitude on that fine day of Association Football.
"Got any plans for the weekend?" "I want to see fat shirtless Geordie idiots with tears running down their man boobs"
"Oh my lads you should have seen them coming Big fat c***s in stripey shirts The barmy Geordie Nation All the lads and lasses They all had crying faces Gannin along to Villa Paaark To see the relegation"
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I would just like to point out that I haven't actually got a sister.
It's moved on from your sister, somebody was interfering with Brad Guzan yesterday.
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It's moved on from your sister, somebody was interfering with Brad Guzan yesterday.
What, you mean they were having a Yank? Disgraceful.
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Just a thought I had during yesterdays match. Was Carlos Sanchez having difficulties with seeing the play clearly through those goggles he is wearing to protect an injury. The rain was coming down in stainrods (ho ho) and it must have affected his vision to a certain extent.
Anyway their goal was Lescotts fault and Lescotts alone!
I thought exactly the same regards those stupid fkn goggles
they defo affected his play
get rid carlos they are not a fashion item you tosspot
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Just a thought I had during yesterdays match. Was Carlos Sanchez having difficulties with seeing the play clearly through those goggles he is wearing to protect an injury. The rain was coming down in stainrods (ho ho) and it must have affected his vision to a certain extent.
Anyway their goal was Lescotts fault and Lescotts alone!
I thought exactly the same regards those stupid fkn goggles
they defo affected his play
get rid carlos they are not a fashion item you tosspot
those stupid fkn goggles helped him to participate in the game. I don't think he had them on because really he wanted to or as a fashion statement. He could have just told the manager he wasn't up to it with the injury but instead he opted for the stupid fkn goggles.
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Will I be onside if they are in the corner?
just follow lacking in class 80's- you should be about right together
That's some axe you seem to want to grind.
Why not just start a new thread calling out those you feel wronged by in the past 24 hours (based on your posting timeline) rather than derailing this one.
And by the way no, the Newcastle goal wasn't offside for what it's worth.
It most definitely was offside - Guzan was interfered with - if a player standing right in front of the goalkeeper is not interfering with play we might as well turn the lights off and go home
I think when the ball is kicked Hutton I level with the Newcastle players.
On a separate note; the offside rule in general is fundamentally flawed now since an attacking player is required to be 'active' to be deemed offside (which I assume is your point about the Newcastle players who were around the box but didn't touch the ball) whereas a defender is always deemed active (in this case Hutton could do nothing about the goal but was adjudged to play the 3 Newcastle players onside who where in the way)
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Just a thought I had during yesterdays match. Was Carlos Sanchez having difficulties with seeing the play clearly through those goggles he is wearing to protect an injury. The rain was coming down in stainrods (ho ho) and it must have affected his vision to a certain extent.
Anyway their goal was Lescotts fault and Lescotts alone!
I thought exactly the same regards those stupid fkn goggles
they defo affected his play
get rid carlos they are not a fashion item you tosspot
those stupid fkn goggles helped him to participate in the game. I don't think he had them on because really he wanted to or as a fashion statement. He could have just told the manager he wasn't up to it with the injury but instead he opted for the stupid fkn goggles.
Nothing was really made of it at the time or after, but from where I was sat during the Arsenal game I saw that Giroud caught him with a nasty looking elbow in the face. Hard to tell if it was deliberate, but it obviously caused some damage.
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Anyway, back to the Barcodes. I didn't see the game so I couldn't comment on offsides or whether Rémi should have gone with six strikers at 1-1. Instead I have some H&V posts from the 24th May 2009 to remind us of our exemplary sporting attitude on that fine day of Association Football.
"Got any plans for the weekend?" "I want to see fat shirtless Geordie idiots with tears running down their man boobs"
"Oh my lads you should have seen them coming Big fat c***s in stripey shirts The barmy Geordie Nation All the lads and lasses They all had crying faces Gannin along to Villa Paaark To see the relegation"
Funny that our last home game of the season is against them. I accept it looks unlikely at the moment, but after all their whining, wouldn't it be lovely to send them down again that afternoon.
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I would just like to point out that I haven't actually got a sister.
Shame
Yeah, sounds a bit of a goer.
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Just a thought I had during yesterdays match. Was Carlos Sanchez having difficulties with seeing the play clearly through those goggles he is wearing to protect an injury. The rain was coming down in stainrods (ho ho) and it must have affected his vision to a certain extent.
Anyway their goal was Lescotts fault and Lescotts alone!
I thought exactly the same regards those stupid fkn goggles
they defo affected his play
get rid carlos they are not a fashion item you tosspot
those stupid fkn goggles helped him to participate in the game. I don't think he had them on because really he wanted to or as a fashion statement. He could have just told the manager he wasn't up to it with the injury but instead he opted for the stupid fkn goggles.
Nothing was really made of it at the time or after, but from where I was sat during the Arsenal game I saw that Giroud caught him with a nasty looking elbow in the face. Hard to tell if it was deliberate, but it obviously caused some damage.
He was wearing something during the Arsenal game, before the Giroud incident. Isn't it protecting a smashed cheekbone picked up in training, I believe?
And, having managed to freeze the footage with the ball about six inches off Coloccini's foot, I'm gonna say "offside". And Lescott's bollock-dropping. A player of his experience shouldn't be distracted from his job so easily.
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And Lescott's bollock-dropping. A player of his experience shouldn't be distracted from his job so easily.
"Mark Collocini, mark Collocini, mark Collocini.....ooh look, that's a very florescent top Brad's wearing...SHITE!"
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It felt so good not to lose I might put Saturday up there with the greatest draws like Swindon and the Anderlecht and Arsenal semi second legs.
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And Lescott's bollock-dropping. A player of his experience shouldn't be distracted from his job so easily.
"Mark Collocini, mark Collocini, mark Collocini.....ooh look, that's a very florescent top Brad's wearing...SHITE!"
You had ONE job...!
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Just a thought I had during yesterdays match. Was Carlos Sanchez having difficulties with seeing the play clearly through those goggles he is wearing to protect an injury. The rain was coming down in stainrods (ho ho) and it must have affected his vision to a certain extent.
Anyway their goal was Lescotts fault and Lescotts alone!
I thought exactly the same regards those stupid fkn goggles
they defo affected his play
get rid carlos they are not a fashion item you tosspot
What an idiotic reply.
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I've seen lots of calls for Adama in that game but as a pacey winger in a previous life it's very difficult running at full pelt when the ball sticks in the built up water on the pitch. I don't think he'd have been as effective in those conditions.
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I've seen lots of calls for Adama in that game but as a pacey winger in a previous life it's very difficult running at full pelt when the ball sticks in the built up water on the pitch. I don't think he'd have been as effective in those conditions.
Quite a lot of us agree with you.
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Yes, we'll probably still go down but in all seriousness the difference in prize money between eighteenth and twentieth would buy the kind of player we'll need. And going down with a bit of spirit might just help kickstart a revival similar to 1970.
Nice sentiment, but with this owner it won't happen. He doesn't understand the difference between customers and supporters, and isn't interested in giving the latter any involment or investment (in the widest sense) in the club.
I don't think he's malicious in this, just incapable of understanding how to capture what could be on offer.
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We improved to play much better in the second half we need to play like that from the start in every game to give us a chance of survival.
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I've seen lots of calls for Adama in that game but as a pacey winger in a previous life it's very difficult running at full pelt when the ball sticks in the built up water on the pitch. I don't think he'd have been as effective in those conditions.
Quite a lot of us agree with you.
It's one thing watching Hutton do it, but we've got to assume that Traoré knows what he's doing on a normal pitch, whereas that pitch helped Hutton's "style" by preventing him from overunning the ball by 5 yards with every other touch.