Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rimmy Jimmer on December 14, 2015, 09:49:15 AM
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What is the point of the negative chanting "We're f**king shit" and "We're going down" and "We lose every week". This must have an awful affect on our players. What on earth must Remi Garde think. What happened to supporting the team and cheering us on. The VILLA chant has completely disappeared. Bells are ringing is also virtually unheard of. #fight like lions seemed to energise the club and spur us on last season. There is no mention of that anymore either. There are a lot of points to fight for but if we don't fight and support properly we have no chance.
Alan Hutton one of the shittest players in the history of shit. We sing his name. It occasionally inspires him to be slightly better than shit.
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Gallows Humour is all well and good at the appropriate time. However do not agree with it at this time.
If we are still as bad by the end of Janaury then so be it.
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Agreed, funny on occasion but not the time for it now. Let's get behind them and try and bring some meaning to that 12th Man Holte End banner. Let everyone else take the piss out of us, don't do it to ourselves.
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There are a lot of points to fight for but if we don't fight and support properly we have no chance
If we do go down (if? I mean when) it won't be due to lack of support. I think the support for the team over the last few years has been incredible, given the absolute shit that's been served up, week in, week out. And to lay any blame for the mess the club and the team is in on the fans is ridiculous. A few cheeky chants won't change things. in fact, I'd say it's the humour that's stopped fans from getting really aggressive with the team. God knows they fucking deserve to be booed off after most games but they don't
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Other than some rumblings of discontent when Grealish appeared from the bench I don't recall any negative chanting. That said, what you hear in one part of the ground isn't necessarily what you'll hear elsewhere.
I think in general, considering we are rock bottom, six points from not being bottom (not even safety) and on the back of the last five years I think the support in terms of numbers turning up and chanting has been remarkable.
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Chico,
Agree with you !00% - not sure what other people on this board expect of the fans. Considering the absolute shite and couldn't care less attitude of most of the players, what do they really expect from the fans. These are highly paid individuals who should be ashamed of their performances. Even if they are not up to scratch, there is nothing to stop them tracking back, putting pressure on their back line and, not thinking that the net is in row Z of each end!!
What is most depressing is that, like against Arsenal, once we had gone 0-1 down did anyone really think we would come back from that? Yet, look at other shite teams like Newcastle, Sunderland et al, at least they manage to get results at places where all we can say is "Oh, well it was Spurs away or Arsenal or whoever, we just accept that we were lucky to get Nil whereas other teams are battling to try to win games, e.g. huge teams like Bournemouth for God's sake!!"
The players need to get the fans onside with at least busting a gut not strolling around and, we will always give them our full backing if at least we think they are doing their best.
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I hope ,someone from the Club ,reads this message to the Players .I know you have no respect for us supporters, but you must have some self respect if your confidence is shot feign injury and let someone else have go its not about your wages it's about pride.utv
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There are a lot of points to fight for but if we don't fight and support properly we have no chance
If we do go down (if? I mean when) it won't be due to lack of support. I think the support for the team over the last few years has been incredible, given the absolute shit that's been served up, week in, week out. And to lay any blame for the mess the club and the team is in on the fans is ridiculous. A few cheeky chants won't change things. in fact, I'd say it's the humour that's stopped fans from getting really aggressive with the team. God knows they fucking deserve to be booed off after most games but they don't
Absolutely correct. This seems to happen quite a lot at Villa. The team is shit, but somehow it's the fans' fault?
It's the club that has given up, not the fans.
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I didn't hear any negative chanting yesterday from my seat in L2 of the Holte Lower. So I somehow doubt it was loud enough to be heard on the pitch (wherever it was coming from). The place was like a morgue yesterday, not that I'm expecting any different given this season and the fact we had the stuffing knocked out of us in less than 10 minutes.
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There were plenty of mad shouting where frustration seems to result in people coming out with all sorts of indiscriminate abuse but I didn't hear any negative chants. At least 3 people near me did not come back for the second half and you could hardly blame them. Even though they missed our best period of the game it never actually felt like Arsenal couldn't score again if they needed to.
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I didn't hear any negative chanting yesterday from my seat in L2 of the Holte Lower. So I somehow doubt it was loud enough to be heard on the pitch (wherever it was coming from). The place was like a morgue yesterday, not that I'm expecting any different given this season and the fact we had the stuffing knocked out of us in less than 10 minutes.
I was in the North Stand Lower and didn't hear any either.
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There are a lot of points to fight for but if we don't fight and support properly we have no chance
If we do go down (if? I mean when) it won't be due to lack of support. I think the support for the team over the last few years has been incredible, given the absolute shit that's been served up, week in, week out. And to lay any blame for the mess the club and the team is in on the fans is ridiculous. A few cheeky chants won't change things. in fact, I'd say it's the humour that's stopped fans from getting really aggressive with the team. God knows they fucking deserve to be booed off after most games but they don't
This, 100%.
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Likewise I didn't hear any 'negative' chants near the front of K4 - there was a bit of gallows humour like 'we are bottom of the league' in response to Arse fans' 'we are top of the league', and the cringey ones about Grealish, but didn't hear any like the ones in the OP. In fact it was so quiet yesterday I think most people are just resigned to our fate and can't even be bothered to give the team any stick.
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OP must have been talking about the Aston Social or somewhere similar pre-game I think.
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The negative chanting should be directed at our useless owner. He gets an easy ride by hiding and staying silent. Can you imagine the demonstrations if Doug was still in charge given our current position?
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The negative chanting should be directed at our useless owner. He gets an easy ride by hiding and staying silent. Can you imagine the demonstrations if Doug was still in charge given our current position?
I don't have to imagine them. I remember them. And how ineffective they were.
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The negative chanting should be directed at our useless owner. He gets an easy ride by hiding and staying silent. Can you imagine the demonstrations if Doug was still in charge given our current position?
I don't have to imagine them. I remember them. And how ineffective they were.
Thats all very well, but Lerner gets an incredibly easy ride after 5 years of dross culminating in the worst Villa team in living memory...more unwanted records to be set over the next few months.
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I'm surprised there was any chanting at all.
The last 4/5 years has been pathetic.
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There wasn't too much of it yesterday as there was precious little chanting at all. However, it was in evidence last week at Southampton along with some ironic 'ole!' chanting as we strung together some passes.
The Arsenal chant of 'he drinks when he wants', directed at Jack Grealish was probably the highlight chant of the day.
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There wasn't too much of it yesterday as there was precious little chanting at all. However, it was in evidence last week at Southampton along with some ironic 'ole!' chanting as we strung together some passes.
The Arsenal chant of 'he drinks when he wants', directed at Jack Grealish was probably the highlight chant of the day.
The Grealish situation highlights what is wrong at the club and the couldn't give a shit attitude of many of the players.
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The negative chanting should be directed at our useless owner. He gets an easy ride by hiding and staying silent. Can you imagine the demonstrations if Doug was still in charge given our current position?
You'd be wasting your breath - as he wouldn't be listening.
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I'm amazed people bother to turn up anymore. Those who do probably need something to cheer themselves up.
Looking at the attendance yesterday I think it's going to get worse
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We're going to win 12 - 1 was funny..
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Think the players have got away lightly after some of the performances.. think man utd fans have given their own players more stick this season than we have with ours. Imagine their response if they were in our situation.
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The negative chanting should be directed at our useless owner. He gets an easy ride by hiding and staying silent. Can you imagine the demonstrations if Doug was still in charge given our current position?
You'd be wasting your breath - as he wouldn't be listening.
Yes, burying head in sand comes to mind....
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I didn't hear any negative chanting from the Upper Trinity. There was a few minutes spell in the first half though when you could hear the discontent but that was about it.
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No point in chanting anything about Lerner as he is never there!
I reserve the right to take the piss out of people on the pitch pretending to be Aston Villa players
We have sung and chanted in support of a parade of buffoons for season after season of dire putresance and the OP wonders why there may be "negative chanting" occasionally? Our fear of being labelled "fickle" or even worse "small-time" seems to stifle any expression of discontent - apparently I am allowed to boo at the end but only at the result not the players etc etc
Getting off lightly doesn't even begin to describe the situation...
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Most of the ire in P6 was directed at the referee and the biggest cheer of the day was when he gave us a decision after 30 minutes. To be honest, the early kick offs don't seem to suit us. Most of the singers and serial screamers probably need to get well oiled. The Arse Holes probably got tinnied up on their coaches and trains and were sufficiently lubricated.
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This mob are the worst team to wear our sacred colours in living memory. Their utter inability to perform isn't worthy of our great support. They draw huge salaries and I bet they couldn't give a flying fcuk about what we sing/think/do. So if some choose to ridicule them, so be it. After all, they take the piss out of us every bloody week.
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Imagine if McLeish had served this run of results up, jesus. Crowds would have been around 25,000 and the atmosphere would have been horrible and hostile.
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The negative chanting should be directed at our useless owner. He gets an easy ride by hiding and staying silent. Can you imagine the demonstrations if Doug was still in charge given our current position?
I don't have to imagine them. I remember them. And how ineffective they were.
Thats all very well, but Lerner gets an incredibly easy ride after 5 years of dross culminating in the worst Villa team in living memory...more unwanted records to be set over the next few months.
Do something yourself then.
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I am thinking of starting an ironic protest conga in the Upper Trinity on Boxing Day.
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I am thinking of starting an ironic protest conga in the Upper Trinity on Boxing Day.
Count me in
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I think the players get off very lightly. Whatever chants emanate from the stands, come from tired, weary and thoroughly pissed off supporters, sick of throwing their hard earned at individuals, not remotely qualified to wear a claret and blue shirt. Tarred and feathered would be more appropriate.
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I'm amazed people bother to turn up anymore. Those who do probably need something to cheer themselves up.
Looking at the attendance yesterday I think it's going to get worse
I can't see many dads treating their lads to a Boxing Day Villa fun-fest v Wet Spam on Boxing Day!
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A bit of negative chanting is pretty light. The players and the hierarchy at the club are lucky we've not had the flaming torches and pitchforks out yet.
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I'm amazed people bother to turn up anymore. Those who do probably need something to cheer themselves up.
Looking at the attendance yesterday I think it's going to get worse
I can't see many dads treating their lads to a Boxing Day Villa fun-fest v Wet Spam on Boxing Day!
I am treating the wife to it. She is trying to get me to sell the tickets (I don't think she realises that I would have to pay someone to take them off my hands).
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I'm amazed people bother to turn up anymore. Those who do probably need something to cheer themselves up.
Looking at the attendance yesterday I think it's going to get worse
I can't see many dads treating their lads to a Boxing Day Villa fun-fest v Wet Spam on Boxing Day!
more like punishment for shitting themselves at the xmas dinner table and blaming it on aunt cissy
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The one thing that is not happening though is thankfully the team are not getting it in the neck during the 90 minutes. We are all in it together.
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It's hardly new either. Off the top of my head the last few seasons have seen "Let's pretend we've scored a goal", "How shit must you be - we're winning away", "Duh, duh, duh, duh, shot on target" etc, etc.
We've always been pretty good at gallows humour. Much better that than taking ourselves far too seriously like the bindippers up the road, celebrating a last minute equaliser against the Boggies.
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We are breaking unwanted records with every passing game. If you didn't laugh you'd cry.
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People are just tired of five years of this unending tsunami of utter Blues. It's to be expected and the idiots have got away pretty bloody lightly if you ask me.
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It's true. If we were, say Spurs or Everton we'd be the main sports story every day. As it is, we're not being reported upon as a major catastrophe because it's so expected. And that's probably the worst thing!
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irony
were shit
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Aston Villa got a hundred problems, the supporters ain't one of them.
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The negative chanting should be directed at our useless owner. He gets an easy ride by hiding and staying silent. Can you imagine the demonstrations if Doug was still in charge given our current position?
Too True.
Deadly had problems with DOL, too which DOL had to subsequently, PUBLICLY, apologise for~~~ but nobody turrned on Deadly.
They did on DOL after his stupid "fickle" comments that have haunted us over the years
PRATT !!!
Our neighbours ~~ spit ~~ have genuinly had a far harder time than us in recent years.
A banged up owner for money laundering, an ex-CEO under investigation~~AGAIN ~~~No money going into the club~~~money withdrawn it seems.
Their highest investment is about 500K in three years...wow.
We spent £50 million plus, have not won in 15 matches,have players bought by a recently post-teenager recruitment manager.......JEEZ
BUT THE SCUM held protest after protest, about Carson Yeung.
Had a succesful blockade of Season Tickets Renewals
We Do....WHAT ?
NOTHING...we believe that Randy knows what he is doing...so keep quiet.
I'M ASHAMED OF SOME VILLA SUPPORTERS.
Never thought I'd say that....BUT..WHERE IS YOUR SUPPPORT FOR VILLA ????
WE ARE VILLA!
SAY IT AND MEAN IT
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alftitmus. You are a caution.
I like the multicoloured fonts and punchy Glenda Slagg style, but you are ruined it by using the term JEEZ.
Now I am having doubts about you, and I may have to put your name in my black book.
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Sodd.... Got off topic then.... :)
BOT:
People Pay, They Can Say What They Want. Can Boo- Hiss etc-- imo
I Bloody well wish they'd organise a CHANT about Lerner.
A sustained one.
Embarrass him out.
But VP Acoustics are such that you can't hear visitors across the pitch...and you can't really hear the Holte beyond halfway....but nowadays they just sigh, like the rest of us.
:'(
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I feel your pain alftitmus, and a peremptory search of my posting history will show that I, adrenachrome, am the only marxist in the village of pseudo lefts, fake lefts, ex-lefts and imperialist running dog warmongers, am the proud inventor of the dialectical method of preemptive booing.
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I'm minus till I die Im minus till I die..........
Subtraction la la la Subtraction la la la........
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This mob are the worst team to wear our sacred colours in living memory. Their utter inability to perform isn't worthy of our great support. They draw huge salaries and I bet they couldn't give a flying fcuk about what we sing/think/do. So if some choose to ridicule them, so be it. After all, they take the piss out of us every bloody week.
Not in my living memory are they the worst - we had quite a few poorer sides in the 60's - and I'd even throw in the mid 80's team
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At the next home game there should be 6 minutes (No. of points we have) of full on support from kick off, there should non stop chanting, encouragement for the players and a crescendo of noise from all four sides of the ground. Then on 6 minutes everyone should bang their seats for a full 6 minutes to protest against the (mis)management of this club.
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The negative chanting should be directed at our useless owner. He gets an easy ride by hiding and staying silent. Can you imagine the demonstrations if Doug was still in charge given our current position?
Too True.
Deadly had problems with DOL, too which DOL had to subsequently, PUBLICLY, apologise for~~~ but nobody turrned on Deadly.
They did on DOL after his stupid "fickle" comments that have haunted us over the years
PRATT !!!
Our neighbours ~~ spit ~~ have genuinly had a far harder time than us in recent years.
A banged up owner for money laundering, an ex-CEO under investigation~~AGAIN ~~~No money going into the club~~~money withdrawn it seems.
Their highest investment is about 500K in three years...wow.
We spent £50 million plus, have not won in 15 matches,have players bought by a recently post-teenager recruitment manager.......JEEZ
BUT THE SCUM held protest after protest, about Carson Yeung.
Had a succesful blockade of Season Tickets Renewals
We Do....WHAT ?
NOTHING...we believe that Randy knows what he is doing...so keep quiet.
I'M ASHAMED OF SOME VILLA SUPPORTERS.
Never thought I'd say that....BUT..WHERE IS YOUR SUPPPORT FOR VILLA ????
WE ARE VILLA!
SAY IT AND MEAN IT
Do you think you could say it a bit quietly?
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Alan Hutton one of the shittest players in the history of shit. We sing his name. It occasionally inspires him to be slightly better than shit.
I honestly don't think he's one of our shittest players any more.
You're clearly a deluded happy clapper
*wink*
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Alan Hutton one of the shittest players in the history of shit. We sing his name. It occasionally inspires him to be slightly better than shit.
I honestly don't think he's one of our shittest players any more.
You're clearly a deluded happy clapper
I think you may well have a valid point here.
*wink*
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Really not a fan of negative chanting. There was some in the Lower North Stand, just stood there shaking my head in disbelief. Though, I can fully understand the fans frustration.
Guzan got some stick in particular , One guy thought he was taking too much time clearing the ball up field
(as did I ). To which he shouted " Guzan you bald headed ****, get the ball up to the forwards.
Guzan immediately turned round. stared in our direction and mouthed something in our direction.
Some pundits have said Villa fans expect too much. To be honest I would be happy just to see Villa try and compete with other teams, or a least be difficult to beat.
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Really not a fan of negative chanting. There was some in the Lower North Stand, just stood there shaking my head in disbelief. Though, I can fully understand the fans frustration.
Some pundits have said Villa fans expect too much.
I would be happy with an odd goal, or even perhaps a home win once in a while
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Really not a fan of negative chanting. There was some in the Lower North Stand, just stood there shaking my head in disbelief. Though, I can fully understand the fans frustration.
Some pundits have said Villa fans expect too much.
I would be happy with an odd goal, or even perhaps a home win once in a while
Now you're pushing it. A home win? We had one of them in March...
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Alfietitmus
Just a couple of points
If the acoustics at vp are shit then why does the crew down the lower north stand join in with the Holte songs ???
Also I been in the north stand a couple of times and you can hear the Holte
Also when I have been in the trinity you can hear the away fans from there to
And finally randy does want to sell so if we embarass him with a song how will that make him sell the club quicker
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I'm minus till I die Im minus till I die..........
Subtraction la la la Subtraction la la la........
Made me laugh!! :)
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after the arsehole game we were singing in the pub
we will go down withe this shit
i wont show my white flag and surrender
there will be no white flag above my door
were villa always will be
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Really not a fan of negative chanting. There was some in the Lower North Stand, just stood there shaking my head in disbelief. Though, I can fully understand the fans frustration.
Guzan got some stick in particular , One guy thought he was taking too much time clearing the ball up field
(as did I ). To which he shouted " Guzan you bald headed ****, get the ball up to the forwards.
Guzan immediately turned round. stared in our direction and mouthed something in our direction.
Some pundits have said Villa fans expect too much. To be honest I would be happy just to see Villa try and compete with other teams, or a least be difficult to beat.
Pundits get a lot wrong about Aston Villa the idea that fans expect too much is particularly wrong.
I mean, a club of our size (argue whether thats big, medium or whatever) can surely "expect" to be not setting records of worst seasons ever in the league or breaking whatever shite record of shiteness we have managed this month. We should "expect" to win a home game more often than once a quarter, we should "expect" the club to hire a decent manager every now and again, we should "expect" maybe to replace selling our best players with ones who are approaching that quality.
Pundits can bugger right off.