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Off Topic => Sports Arena => Topic started by: SheffieldVillain on November 30, 2015, 08:25:27 PM
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Shortlist announced today.
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On the face of it that is the most underwhelming list for SPOTY I have ever seen. 2 cyclists, 2 athletes, a gymnast and a female footballer. Pushing the boundaries of inclusion out or simply a lack of great contenders? Probably a bit of both.
Anyway, Murray for me, followed by Lewis then perhaps Tyson Fury if he can keep his mouth shut for long enough not too p*** too many people off.
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England win the Ashes and no cricketers in the list..........
Broad and or Root should be on the list
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Mo Farah for me. Completing the 5/10k double at three successive global championships is an outstanding achievement.
After that, so long as it's not Lewis Hamilton, I'm not too fussed.
Andy Murray will get an individual award, but it will be called "Team" of the Year.
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Mo Farah for me. Completing the 5/10k double at three successive global championships is an outstanding achievement.
After that, so long as it's not Lewis Hamilton, I'm not too fussed.
Andy Murray will get an individual award, but it will be called "Team" of the Year.
Yep me to. What he's done is remarkable. Agree that it shouldn't be Lewis this year.
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Fury? Must be joking. It's s disgrace he's in the list, the thick homophobic twat. He's done fuck all in his sport too.
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Fury? Must be joking. It's s disgrace he's in the list, the thick homophobic twat. He's done fuck all in his sport too.
You're joking, yes?
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Which bit? About his thickness and homophobia which are on record?
Or his record, which bears no comparison to that of others in their respective fields?
But even if he had mayweather esque credentials in the sport should he be held up as a 'personality'?
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Which bit? About his thickness and homophobia which are on record?
Or his record, which bears no comparison to that of others in their respective fields?
But even if he had mayweather esque credentials in the sport should he be held up as a 'personality'?
I didn't realise that you had to possess above-average intelligence to win a sporting award and if the word 'personality' is to be taken literally Andy Murray and Lewis Hamilton would never get a single vote.
As for doing "fuck all in his sport" he is the undefeated, undisputed world heavyweight champion, the first such British boxer ever.
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Homophobia is about ignorance though not intelligence. You don't need a Mensa IQ to not conflate homosexuality and paedophilia
I don't think the winner has to be robin Williams and winston Churchill rolled into one but as its a purely symbolic prize shouldn't it go to someone kids can look up to?
Also, yes Saturday was a good, probably great win. But, it has to be said, against a notorious division clogger who was so clearly past his prime.
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Homophobia is about ignorance though not intelligence. You don't need a Mensa IQ to not conflate homosexuality and paedophilia
I don't think the winner has to be robin Williams and winston Churchill rolled into one but as its a purely symbolic prize shouldn't it go to someone kids can look up to?
Also, yes Saturday was a good, probably great win. But, it has to be said, against a notorious division clogger who was so clearly past his prime.
Who had dominated heavyweight boxing for years and was fighting in a country where he and his brother had controlled the sport for as long.
"Kids can look up to" - I give you the 1990 winner, as well as Lord Sebastian Coe of the Olympic Stadium.
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Peaty or Rutherford for me, I'm fed up of this being won by sports where they're paid a fortune and already get massive exposure. Peaty I like because he's had a truly exceptional year and Rutherford because it's not often that someone can say they're the current holder of the olympic, world, commonwealth and european titles at the same time, that deserve a huge amount of attention which I don't think it's been given. I picked Peaty in the list because I doubt he'll get many votes. I think Farah and Froome have incredibly strong claims because of the 'off-field' elements of their season they've had which have meant both have won major events under huge pressure.
I really hope it's not Murray or Hamilton, I don't think either of them have even had the best year of their own career so for me it would be wrong to give them this when their are people who've really achieved something. I don't like the idea of Bronze winning it either, yeah the team got to the semi which is decent but singling out one of them for this when they didn't win the tournament doesn't sit right with me, they should rightly be nominated as a team though (although the tennis team have that in the bag). For a single player in a team to be nominated I want them to have, at times, single-handedly dragged us through a tournament and I don't think that happened.
Fury deserves to be nominated but I can't help but think he's boxing in a pretty poor time for the category and, having now watched the fight, against a champion who looked like it was one fight too many (I've never liked them but you had to give them credit for the workrate and planning they put into fights, he didn't seem to have done that here) which will count against him and, as above, he comes across as a bit of an arsehole as well.
Of the others I think they've all had strong years but I don't really see anything exceptional about it and certainly for Ennis I'd have the same question as with Murray and Hamilton about how good a year she's had in the context of her career
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Which bit? About his thickness and homophobia which are on record?
Or his record, which bears no comparison to that of others in their respective fields?
But even if he had mayweather esque credentials in the sport should he be held up as a 'personality'?
Erm, he's Heavyweight Champion of the World......end of!
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I really hope it's not Murray or Hamilton, I don't think either of them have even had the best year of their own career so for me it would be wrong to give them this when their are people who've really achieved something.
Hamilton won the world title, up until the point where he won it absolutely dominating the championship. What more could he achieve?
I get your point about Murray outside of the Davis Cup not having had his best year, but he did pretty much drag us to a first title in 70 odd years by himself - I would class that as 'really achieving something'.
Hamilton gets my vote by a short distance from Murray with Max Whitlock third (first ever male Brit to win a World Championship gold in gymnastics - yes, I did have to look that up on wikipedia).
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I really hope it's not Murray or Hamilton, I don't think either of them have even had the best year of their own career so for me it would be wrong to give them this when their are people who've really achieved something.
Hamilton won the world title, up until the point where he won it absolutely dominating the championship. What more could he achieve?
I get your point about Murray outside of the Davis Cup not having had his best year, but he did pretty much drag us to a first title in 70 odd years by himself - I would class that as 'really achieving something'.
Hamilton gets my vote by a short distance from Murray with Max Whitlock third (first ever male Brit to win a World Championship gold in gymnastics - yes, I did have to look that up on wikipedia).
Hamilton - he won, that's undeniable, but he did it in a car that was so far ahead of the field that it really was between him and Rosberg for the title from the very first qualifying session.
Murray - He'll get the team title for his part in the Davis cup, does anything in the rest of his season deserve the award?
As I say, neither has pushed themselves anything like enough this year, on top of that both have already won it for better seasons and both have made vast fortunes from their sport. Put it this way, is a guy who has an average season and then wins the final event of the year or a guy who coasted to a world title on the back of his engineering team honestly in with a shout ahead of a guy who won 3 world championship golds all in world record times or a guy who has become the reigning champion in all 4 major athletics championships and the diamond league champion.
Peaty and Rutherford have both achieved something special this year and that should be recognised.
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Peaty or Rutherford for me, I'm fed up of this being won by sports where they're paid a fortune and already get massive exposure. Peaty I like because he's had a truly exceptional year and Rutherford because it's not often that someone can say they're the current holder of the olympic, world, commonwealth and european titles at the same time, that deserve a huge amount of attention which I don't think it's been given. I picked Peaty in the list because I doubt he'll get many votes. I think Farah and Froome have incredibly strong claims because of the 'off-field' elements of their season they've had which have meant both have won major events under huge pressure.
I have to agree, Paul.
I would love someone like Rutherford or Peaty to win (have to admit I had to look up Adam Peaty, sorry) but, these guys are very much in the shadows of the high profile, even though their achievements are exceptional.
I reckon Mo Farrah will win it (I won't have a problem with that) He gets much more 'Air time' than the two above as he's the media darling, and I'm sure that helps.
Andy Murrey, sorry, the Davis Cup team, should win the Team prize
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I vote Lucy Bronze because I have absolutely no idea who she is and what she plays.
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Forgive my ignorance but what has Jessica Ennis-Hill achieved this year? Genuine question as I didn't realise she was still competing.
Surprised Joe Root hasn't made the shortlist, at the risk of sounding like a Mail reader I suspect the England ladies footballer is on the list so as not to make it too male.
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Forgive my ignorance but what has Jessica Ennis-Hill achieved this year? Genuine question as I didn't realise she was still competing.
Won the World Championship. She took a year or so off to have a baby, this is her first year back.
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Tyson Fury, world champ and he has a personality! (to say the least)
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Joe Root
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I would genuinely rather a Lucy Bronze get it than a Hamilton. Not just because I went to the game at ashton gate on Sunday and it was the first enjoyable game of football I've watched for about 4 years. I just think it's an opportunity to give some kudos to someone who grafts away in a sport where there aren't untold riches in it for them.
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I think Lucy Bronze will come third :)
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Tyson Fury, world champ and he has a personality! (to say the least)
so do his exes
one morecambe slapper updated her facebook status to
"omg I cant believe ive shagged the world champion"
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I would give it to IR Bell for his two fine innings which decided the pivotal teat at Edgbaston.
This would completely piss off the twats in the Lahndahn meeja who have tried to write him out of the team since 2004, causing their heads to collectively explode.
Mission Accomplished.
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Forgive my ignorance but what has Jessica Ennis-Hill achieved this year? Genuine question as I didn't realise she was still competing.
Won the World Championship. She took a year or so off to have a baby, this is her first year back.
Which is why she got my vote
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I'd never heard of Tyson Fury until last weekend. And when I heard it, I thought he was probably from the USA...
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Forgive my ignorance but what has Jessica Ennis-Hill achieved this year? Genuine question as I didn't realise she was still competing.
Won the World Championship. She took a year or so off to have a baby, this is her first year back.
Which is why she got my vote
I can't disagree with that but I worry that giving the best heptathlete in the world a reward for still being the best in the world despite having a baby is a little patronising.
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Forgive my ignorance but what has Jessica Ennis-Hill achieved this year? Genuine question as I didn't realise she was still competing.
Won the World Championship. She took a year or so off to have a baby, this is her first year back.
Which is why she got my vote
I can't disagree with that but I worry that giving the best heptathlete in the world a reward for still being the best in the world despite having a baby is a little patronising.
Yeah, it's just the tiny matter of putting her body through pregnancy and childbirth and motherhood and then getting back to world champion fitness, in arguably the hardest athletic discipline in women's sport. I can see how it would be patronising to recognise that as an achievement...
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I'd never heard of Tyson Fury until last weekend. And when I heard it, I thought he was probably from the USA...
Same here. I'd never heard of him and even after the fight, I just assumed he was an American.
The reading I've done since suggests that him being World Champion is not something that this country should be proud of.
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I'd never heard of Tyson Fury until last weekend. And when I heard it, I thought he was probably from the USA...
Same here. I'd never heard of him and even after the fight, I just assumed he was an American.
The reading I've done since suggests that him being World Champion is not something that this country should be proud of.
He's a boxer, not a politician. Don't agree with a word of what he says but I believe in free speech and will defend his right to say it. Be proud of him for what he does in the ring.
By the same token, I have the right to say I think he's a great fighter, a religious nut job and a complete bell end. As do you. From a distance, obviously...
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Just remembered - whatever happened to that campaign to get Nigel Owens nominated ?
I would have backed that for sure...
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I'd never heard of Tyson Fury until last weekend. And when I heard it, I thought he was probably from the USA...
Same here. I'd never heard of him and even after the fight, I just assumed he was an American.
The reading I've done since suggests that him being World Champion is not something that this country should be proud of.
Sorry Des, it's all about winning.
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I'd never heard of Tyson Fury until last weekend. And when I heard it, I thought he was probably from the USA...
Same here. I'd never heard of him and even after the fight, I just assumed he was an American.
The reading I've done since suggests that him being World Champion is not something that this country should be proud of.
Sorry Des, it's all about winning.
I actually agree with the sentiment of the 2nd quote, in regard to awards at least. The thing is when you have 11 winners (and someone who was part of a team that came 3rd) there needs to be something to help one or two rise above, and being an arsehole isn't going to do that.
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That's the thing for me. It's impossible to assess the relative worthiness of the achievements of a winner in one sport versus another. So this purely symbolic award, for me, should be about rewarding someone with something beyond their god given sporting talent. Like not being a massive bigot.
On the same basis if, hypothetically, Suarez was British then I would have been against him winning it during the year he lit up the premier league, because he is also a racist.
I realise it should also not be a popularity contest and there is a question about where you draw the line. So, for example, Murray and Wiggins are great sportsmen but annoying chippy dick heads. I do not believe that should count against them. But racism and homophobia are different in my book.
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It looks as if this Tyson Fury homophobic furore is going to a massive story very, very soon. It wouldn't surprise me if he withdrew himself from the list eventually and lost sponsorship etc
When all the clamour is for sports men and women to come out and be proud of it, it can hardly be helpful to recognise a high profile sporting world champion who is a self confessed homophobe.
44,721 signatures on the change.org petition and rapidly rising.
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Jessica for me
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I'd never heard of Tyson Fury until last weekend. And when I heard it, I thought he was probably from the USA...
Same here. I'd never heard of him and even after the fight, I just assumed he was an American.
The reading I've done since suggests that him being World Champion is not something that this country should be proud of.
Sorry Des, it's all about winning.
hang on a minute Head Dave, how can I be quoted as saying something in August on a thread that was started in November?
if you're going to pull a quote off another thread to try to make a point, at least give it some context by stating which thread you've used.
.....and yes, sport is all about winning but this thread is about awarding someone an honour that's not directly related to the sporting event that they won.
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I'd never heard of Tyson Fury until last weekend. And when I heard it, I thought he was probably from the USA...
Same here. I'd never heard of him and even after the fight, I just assumed he was an American.
The reading I've done since suggests that him being World Champion is not something that this country should be proud of.
Sorry Des, it's all about winning.
hang on a minute Head Dave, how can I be quoted as saying something in August on a thread that was started in November?
if you're going to pull a quote off another thread to try to make a point, at least give it some context by stating which thread you've used.
.....and yes, sport is all about winning but this thread is about awarding someone an honour that's not directly related to the sporting event that they won.
Either that or it's double standards. To suit one argument sport is all about winning but for another winning doesn't matter.
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Sport itself is about winning but this is an awards show.
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And what we were talking about was a definition of 'greatest', which in itself is an award.
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I used to love this programme but have lost interest ever since they gave it to Ryan Giggs for playing about 10 games that season.
Mo Farah would be a controversial choice as he still has those drug allegations hanging around.
Lewis Hamilton is in the best car and is in a sport where realistically only very few can be champion.
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I'd never heard of Tyson Fury until last weekend. And when I heard it, I thought he was probably from the USA...
Same here. I'd never heard of him and even after the fight, I just assumed he was an American.
The reading I've done since suggests that him being World Champion is not something that this country should be proud of.
He's a boxer, not a politician. Don't agree with a word of what he says but I believe in free speech and will defend his right to say it. Be proud of him for what he does in the ring.
By the same token, I have the right to say I think he's a great fighter, a religious nut job and a complete bell end. As do you. From a distance, obviously...
Agreed, he's not bad for a thieving Gypsy bastard
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Has the number of people signing the petition wanting Fury to be removed from the SPOTY short list now exceeded the number of people who vote on the night?
Whilst I'm odds with just about every utterance that has come out of Fury's mouth on the subject of gender roles, sexuality and religion, please, please BBC stand firm on this. SPOTY should be about sporting achievement. Nothing more, nothing less.
And look at the roll call of previous winners. If you're so minded there is plenty to object to in: future Tory MPs (Chris Chataway and Seb Coe), cheer-leaders for Thatcherism (Steve Davis and Nick Faldo), members of the Royal family (Zara and mother), non-PC rent-a-gobs (Daley "Is the world's second best athlete gay?" Thompson) and tax-exiles (just about every motor racing recipient). However, quite rightly, those weren't the reasons for them either winning - or not winning - the trophy.
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If it was competition of sporting achievement I think it should go to Mo Farah for retaining two world titles (and due to my secret athletics obsession). If it was purely based on personality Fury should win on the basis he has one, even if he has some very dubious points of view, but not yet for sporting achievement. If Fury were to retain his belts and prove the win over Klitscho wasn't a fluke he would have the combination of achievement and personality which the award is supposedly designed for.
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achievement and personality which the award is supposedly designed for.
Is it? Or is "personality" just a word that suited at the time. It's a genuine question, I don't know the answer but realistically it goes to whoever has achieved the greatest sporting achievement regardless of personality.
Also surely having a "personality" shouldn't be confused with having a good personality as BBC newsreader Clive Myrie so eloquently put it when labelling Fury "a dickhead".
I personally can't stand the guy and if he did win, which he won't, it would be hugely cringeworthy watching him on stage, with his abhorrent cronies in tow, making his acceptance speech.
My money is still on him not being in the final vote and if his advisors have anything about them he most certainly won't be there on the night if he does make stay in the line up.
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The 'Personality' bit of the title is really to thinly cover up the fact that it really is a popularity competition - just like every reality show such X Factor or Strictly - not necessarily about who is best.
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I think they should have just used the word 'person', which would save all the ambiguity. I find the whole show abhorrent anyway. Lame, dry mouthed presenters making unfunny jokes to an audience of completely silent, deadly dull, rictus grinning sports people. Shudder.
Bottom line is it's literally impossible to elevate achievements in one sport above another, so the whole things is futile at its core.
I entirely agree with AC though. All this stuff about how 'even if you don't like him Fury has got a personality'. I bet he hears that a lot and really believes it about himself. In the same way Ricky Hatton ended up thinking he had a rapier like wit because he read too much of his own press and spent too much time with his hangers on.
Fury makes my toes curl. I had to watch his press conference shenanigans through my fingers. Ali he ain't. So, basically, I don't buy the argument that being a vacuous gobshite is the same thing as having a personality.
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So I was chatting with Lizzie Armistead just now, she's rather nice so I'll be voting for Lizzie.
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Isn't this all a load of luvvie cobblers that should have been done away with decades ago? Or at least renamed to something more fitting.
I mean, it lists Nigel Mansell, Steve Davis and Michael Owen as previous winners. Say no more.
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So I was chatting with Lizzie Armistead just now, she's rather nice so I'll be voting for Lizzie.
Nice she is and also has had a brilliant season. She gets my vote.