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Heroes & Villains => Villa Memories => Topic started by: wittonwarrior on November 29, 2015, 11:12:52 AM

Title: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 29, 2015, 11:12:52 AM
The weekly Villa  Times - I was so proud that we had a kind of 2 matchday programmes - also miss the Sports Argus on a Saturday Evening.

Postponed games - there was a  period in the late 70's when we suffered a spate of cancellations home and away - Everton away, Bolton at Home, Spurs at Home and loads more - at these times having  travelled up from London and not just wanting to waste a full day, went to the likes of Wolves v Plymouth, Coventry v Blues.

£10 junior season ticket and you didn't even need  proof that you were under 16.  How it was abused.

Programme vouchers - as a season ticket holder you would almost certainly have had the opportunity of getting hold of 2 tickets for cup finals.

Cup replays the Palace one sticks out in my memory and of course the semi and  final of the league cup.

Celtic /Rangers chants and the wearing of  Scotland  Shirts.

No segregation  at away games  >:(
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Deano's Mullet on November 29, 2015, 03:52:40 PM
Sports Argus was amazing. Loved the little fixtures box complete with result and goalscorers
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: castlefields_villan on November 29, 2015, 04:49:03 PM
I used to love picking up the Sports Argos on the way home from a game, getting off the 51 in Great Barr and popping in the local newsagent - first thing I'd look for was the "Form Rate"

Sometimes - if we'd played away and I'd been in town shopping or at work, it was the first way of finding out how we'd got on - how did we manage pre 1990s without the internet ??

I remember The Villa Times - as you say Witton we not only had the match programme, we had our own newspaper as well.

The vouchers "awe" - they got me tickets for both the 1975 and 1977 league Cup Finals - I always had a full set for years prior to getting my first season ticket "Villa Vouchers Are Valuable"  !!
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 29, 2015, 05:27:47 PM
Loads of blokes stood outside Radio Rentals at 4.40pm on a Saturday.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: castlefields_villan on November 29, 2015, 05:29:32 PM
Loads of blokes stood outside Radio Rentals at 4.40pm on a Saturday.

Ha ha ha - nice one PWS - I remember that - the days when most people "rented" a television and games finished at twenty to five !
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 29, 2015, 08:01:42 PM
Villa bingo tickets.
4 page Aston Villa News & Record for reserve games.
Silky scarfs which became shredded when hung out the car window for away games.

Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: levico on November 29, 2015, 09:23:47 PM
Changing ends at Villa Park. Holte End first half and Witton end second, or vice versa.

I remember a match when the fog was so thick you couldn't see the other end and I only knew we had scored by the cheers from the Witton end.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: conman on November 29, 2015, 10:45:46 PM
Sports Argus was amazing. Loved the little fixtures box complete with result and goalscorers
yeah i used to go the newsagents by us at 6pm ,,and the evening mail van would bring it about quarter past
there would be about 15 people waiting for it
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: conman on November 29, 2015, 10:48:46 PM
i used to watch the wrestling on saturday afternoon if i wasnt at a match for goal flashes
and  on the vidiprinter
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: castlefields_villan on November 30, 2015, 12:27:31 AM
Villa bingo tickets.
4 page Aston Villa News & Record for reserve games.
Silky scarfs which became shredded when hung out the car window for away games.

I've still got my silk scarves = League Cup Winners 1975 & 1977

Scarves tied around supporters wrists -

I also used to sell Villa bingo tickets and the 3 n easy I think it was lottery - 10p a week and I had three £100 winners - decent money back in the mid 70s
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: conman on November 30, 2015, 12:37:03 AM
i used to like going that chip shop on witton lane ,,,,,other side of the road from the bingo hall by the holte before you get to the church where the road to the serpentine car park was
we used to play pinball there before the match,,,,,,with no flippers
you had to get 3 ,,,,,4 or even 5 balls in a row ,,,,a bit like bingo ,,,,to win money
but had to be careful not to tilt
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: DeKuip on November 30, 2015, 12:56:36 AM
The grass/weed/gravel bank at the back of the Witton End - running down it at full-time and flying into those who'd gone the safer way down the steps.

Muddy pitches

Golden Goal tickets and Golden Goal Girls.

Night matches finishing at 9.10 and being home in time to watch Sportsnight

The Daily Express 5-a-side Championships on Sportsnight and the thrill of discovering Villa were in it and had got through the first round meaning we might be shown.

Driving into towns and cities around the country and finding the grounds just by looking out for floodlight pylons.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Ron Manager on November 30, 2015, 08:18:14 AM
Changing ends at Villa Park. Holte End first half and Witton end second, or vice versa.

I remember a match when the fog was so thick you couldn't see the other end and I only knew we had scored by the cheers from the Witton end.
That might have been Villa v Man City 1965. It's a long time ago but
I remember their goalie Ken Mulherne asking people in the Holte if the ref had called the match off as he could only see a few yards.Anyone else remember that game?
Probably the 1966 3-0 win I think after checking.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Damo70 on November 30, 2015, 08:47:47 AM
i used to watch the wrestling on saturday afternoon if i wasnt at a match for goal flashes
and  on the vidiprinter


Me too. Unfortunately my main memory from those days is seeing the late Ray Stewart penalty flash up on FA cup quarter final day 1980.

Villa players like Withe and Evans wearing Villa sweatbands.

Going to parties on a Saturday night as a kid when someone had hired a room for a birthday bash or wedding reception and a bloke coming round selling the Argus. Most of the women on the dance floor and most of the blokes reading the Argus.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: levico on November 30, 2015, 09:41:20 AM
Changing ends at Villa Park. Holte End first half and Witton end second, or vice versa.

I remember a match when the fog was so thick you couldn't see the other end and I only knew we had scored by the cheers from the Witton end.
That might have been Villa v Man City 1965. It's a long time ago but
I remember their goalie Ken Mulherne asking people in the Holte if the ref had called the match off as he could only see a few yards.Anyone else remember that game?
Probably the 1966 3-0 win I think after checking.

Pretty sure it was the 1966 match.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: dave shelley on November 30, 2015, 09:59:37 AM
Yes,I was at that with my old man.  Villa kicked towards the Holte in the first half ( there wasn't a second half ). I do remember a roar going up at the Holte which would signify a goal and, to this day, I don't know if there was one.

The biggest bummer of that day was; by the time we got home, and we only lived on the Wyrley Birch at the time, the bloody fog had lifted.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 30, 2015, 02:11:34 PM
Sports Argus was amazing. Loved the little fixtures box complete with result and goalscorers
yeah i used to go the newsagents by us at 6pm ,,and the evening mail van would bring it about quarter past
there would be about 15 people waiting for it


When I lived in Manchester I used to get the train back from Villa Park after every home game and there was a newsagent just outside Piccadilly station that sold the Argus. God knows how they got it up there so quickly, pre computer age, but it was always good to feel a little piece of home in that northern hellhole.....

Interesting, Sheffield and Nottingham both had the "Green 'un", their version of the Argus. They were printed in pink or green because the paper was cheaper than white
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 30, 2015, 06:11:24 PM
Sports Argus was amazing. Loved the little fixtures box complete with result and goalscorers
yeah i used to go the newsagents by us at 6pm ,,and the evening mail van would bring it about quarter past
there would be about 15 people waiting for it


When I lived in Manchester I used to get the train back from Villa Park after every home game and there was a newsagent just outside Piccadilly station that sold the Argus. God knows how they got it up there so quickly, pre computer age, but it was always good to feel a little piece of home in that northern hellhole.....

Interesting, Sheffield and Nottingham both had the "Green 'un", their version of the Argus. They were printed in pink or green because the paper was cheaper than white

It was the same at Euston Chico - you could buy the Argus when you arrived back down in London.

I lived in Sheffield and the Green Un wasn't a patch on the Argus
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 30, 2015, 06:25:01 PM
Seeing the AV floodlights from the Clifton, Walsall Road on night matches
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Godfrey Brian on November 30, 2015, 11:07:40 PM
The claret and blue football shaped snack bar on top of the Witton End.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Pete on December 01, 2015, 12:02:30 PM
Seeing the AV floodlights from the Clifton, Walsall Road on night matches

We used to drive over Barr Beacon on the way to the match, and it was a great view of the lights from their. Spine tingling.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: castlefields_villan on December 01, 2015, 12:32:31 PM
Seeing the AV floodlights from the Clifton, Walsall Road on night matches

Coming down the Walsall Road - that was a magnificent sight seeing A V illuminate the night sky.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Oscar Arce on December 02, 2015, 05:09:30 PM
Pirate programmes- usually for big games, and usually bought by 'occasional' supporters outside the ground only to find the 'programme' was just 'a brief history of the FA Cup' or something else unassociated with the match!
The scores at halftime on the scoreboard and seeing the numbers expectantly popped in the corresponding number.
Villa Chocolates.
The Villa Tuck Shop.
Players just running out onto the pitch and then kicking off, none of the hoohah of today.
Transferring from the Trinity into the Witton at half time.
Getting the Argus in town off the bus from the game.
Fish and Chips on the bus.
Swirls of pipe and fag smoke coming from the crowd.
Old blokes all wore ties to the game.
Many little 'uns brougfht a crate to stand on.
Pfff... as someone stole your exact 'spot' on the crash barrier on the Holte, so you stood right next to them edging them sideways all match.
Wondering who was in the team because you turned up late and missed the changes announced on the programme.
Etc....
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: dave shelley on December 02, 2015, 06:20:45 PM
The feeling of excitement I always got in the pit of my stomach when the number eleven bus reached the stop at Stockland Green on the way down the Villa.  Being mad as hell when the driver had to turn his key in the big clock that was there as it meant a five-minute or so delay.  You could also say that I miss the clock.

I got that feeling of excitement even when we were shit because there was always that expectation that we would improve and turn it around.

Something else missing in this modern age, the excited babble on the bus after a win or a great performance.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Godfrey Brian on December 02, 2015, 08:36:01 PM
All the number 11 buses queuing  around Witton Island after the game.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Charlie8182 on December 03, 2015, 12:31:54 PM
Toilet rolls being thrown into the goalmouth.
Goalkeepers wearing green jerseys, along with the same shorts/socks as the outfield players.
Deciding on the morning of a game whether you were going to travel away, never mind a home game!
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: leylandalbion on December 03, 2015, 12:36:53 PM
Taking a milk crate into the holte to stand on
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: castlefields_villan on December 03, 2015, 02:10:15 PM
Pirate programmes- usually for big games, and usually bought by 'occasional' supporters outside the ground only to find the 'programme' was just 'a brief history of the FA Cup' or something else unassociated with the match!
The scores at halftime on the scoreboard and seeing the numbers expectantly popped in the corresponding number.
Villa Chocolates.
The Villa Tuck Shop.
Players just running out onto the pitch and then kicking off, none of the hoohah of today.
Transferring from the Trinity into the Witton at half time.
Getting the Argus in town off the bus from the game.
Fish and Chips on the bus.
Swirls of pipe and fag smoke coming from the crowd.
Old blokes all wore ties to the game.
Many little 'uns brougfht a crate to stand on.
Pfff... as someone stole your exact 'spot' on the crash barrier on the Holte, so you stood right next to them edging them sideways all match.
Wondering who was in the team because you turned up late and missed the changes announced on the programme.
Etc....

The expected cheer when we saw the rags were losing at half time - I remember we came unstuck once though - they lost 4-3 at Liverpool in the early 70s - but led at half time -

The home score (Liverpool) came up   ------------  TWO   (Cue big cheer)
The away score (the rags)       "                            Three   (Cue gasps truly thinking the scoreboard operators had made a mistake)
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: conman on December 03, 2015, 02:56:00 PM
knees up mother brown
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: castlefields_villan on December 03, 2015, 02:58:19 PM
"Chico - Chico - Chico"
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: montague on December 03, 2015, 03:45:03 PM
Miss Aston Villa   ;)

(http://i4.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article9189803.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Miss-Aston-Villa-Maria-Stevens-in-December-1984.jpg)
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 03, 2015, 03:58:08 PM
Players having to jump up and down on all the balloons before we could kick off.
Saunders coming down from the directors box if we were not playing well.
Photographers either side of the goal, and always Terry Weir.
Left side, right side.
Being able to count the number of fans in the away section when it was Wimbledon.
The Football League Review.
Every set of supporters in the country with the exception of Nottingham Forest having a variation of a song which always started with the same first line.   
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on December 03, 2015, 04:08:58 PM
The Villa Park special buses from Bull St.
"Silk" scarves that were useless except for tying round your wrist.
Queueing outside VP for hours to get tickets for big games...............usually derbies or Man Utd.
Hillsborough on the night we won promotion back to Div One in 1975.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 03, 2015, 05:42:59 PM

(http://i4.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article9189803.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Miss-Aston-Villa-Maria-Stevens-in-December-1984.jpg)

Ginola disputes Gregory claim that he is "carrying a bit of timber".

Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: The Left Side on December 04, 2015, 02:17:03 AM
Miss Aston Villa   ;)

(http://i4.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article9189803.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Miss-Aston-Villa-Maria-Stevens-in-December-1984.jpg)

Wasn't she just Doug's secretary?
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 04, 2015, 08:33:58 AM
Didier Six innit?
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Chris Jameson on December 04, 2015, 10:47:28 AM
I used to hang about at the WH Smith on New Street waiting for the Argus and then dash for my train back north. Could guarantee whilst reading it on the train I'd have people ask for scores and then if they could read it once I'd finished.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: MarkM on December 04, 2015, 10:56:52 AM
Police horses nose to tail outside the Holte turnstyles (and avoiding the horse shit)


Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: conman on December 04, 2015, 02:59:20 PM
Miss Aston Villa   ;)

(http://i4.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article9189803.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Miss-Aston-Villa-Maria-Stevens-in-December-1984.jpg)

Wasn't she just Doug's secretary?
secretary my arse ,,,,,,,,,doug was the original randy owner of the Villa
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on December 04, 2015, 05:32:27 PM
Police horses nose to tail outside the Holte turnstyles (and avoiding the horse shit)
clappy thing.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 04, 2015, 05:59:00 PM
Toilet rolls being thrown into the goalmouth.
Goalkeepers wearing green jerseys, along with the same shorts/socks as the outfield players.
Deciding on the morning of a game whether you were going to travel away, never mind a home game!
I remember Colin Withers wearing all green for a few seasons - jersey, shorts and socks - and thinking it was really cool.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: ACVilla on December 06, 2015, 11:01:00 PM
Singing each and every players song when the players were warning up pre match and the players individually applauding The Holte when their song was sung. A real connection right there.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: conman on December 07, 2015, 12:32:51 AM
Singing each and every players song when the players were warning up pre match and the players individually applauding The Holte when their song was sung. A real connection right there.
nice one mate ,,, remember it well ,,,,,,shame that sort of thing has gone
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Whiney MacWhineface on December 07, 2015, 09:11:38 AM
Toilet rolls being thrown into the goalmouth.
Goalkeepers wearing green jerseys, along with the same shorts/socks as the outfield players.
Deciding on the morning of a game whether you were going to travel away, never mind a home game!
I remember Colin Withers wearing all green for a few seasons - jersey, shorts and socks - and thinking it was really cool.

That's because it really was cool! As he approached the Holte there was a pungent smell of liniment too.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: CT on December 07, 2015, 10:56:45 AM
Singing each and every players song when the players were warning up pre match and the players individually applauding The Holte when their song was sung. A real connection right there.
nice one mate ,,, remember it well ,,,,,,shame that sort of thing has gone

Agreed - I miss that too. I wonder when it stopped exactly?
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 07, 2015, 11:04:30 AM
Singing each and every players song when the players were warning up pre match and the players individually applauding The Holte when their song was sung. A real connection right there.
nice one mate ,,, remember it well ,,,,,,shame that sort of thing has gone

Agreed - I miss that too. I wonder when it stopped exactly?

What about applauding the opposition goalkeeper as he walked towards the Holte, only for him to be booed mercilessly if he returned the applause.
 
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: dave shelley on December 07, 2015, 01:33:19 PM
I noticed at the Watford game that Gomes their goalie was roundly boo'd as soon as he moved over the half-way line to head for his goal.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: castlefields_villan on December 09, 2015, 01:44:40 PM
The pylons in the old Trinity Road stand - I've known many a player to be "played onside" by one of them.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Dave Cooper please on December 09, 2015, 02:54:34 PM
Singing each and every players song when the players were warning up pre match and the players individually applauding The Holte when their song was sung. A real connection right there.
nice one mate ,,, remember it well ,,,,,,shame that sort of thing has gone

Agreed - I miss that too. I wonder when it stopped exactly?

Probably at about the time when it was deemed necessary to play extremely loud music over the tannoy right up to kick-off. This is one that could go straight into the "Annoying" thread.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 09, 2015, 03:04:48 PM
When it was nice and simple you turned up and paid in - home and away.

I cant even now get a ticket for fliggin Norwich away.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: castlefields_villan on December 09, 2015, 04:58:28 PM
Yes and you knew it would either be Saturday 3pm or Wednesday at 7.30pm and that was it - and as you say - if you decided on the Friday night you fancied going to Ipswich - you could just get up early and go !
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: conman on December 09, 2015, 04:59:43 PM
Yes and you knew it would either be Saturday 3pm or Wednesday at 7.30pm and that was it - and as you say - if you decided on the Friday night you fancied going to Ipswich - you could just get up early and go !
on the football special train from new st
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: castlefields_villan on December 09, 2015, 05:07:24 PM
Happy days - I remember going to Ipswich on the football special from New Street for that FA Game in 1975 - when we lost after being 2-0 up (in the days when Ipswich were a first division, top 6 team).

Once I passed my driving test in 1976 - I tended to make my own way to away games which really did mean you could decide any time up to the night before.
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: castlefields_villan on December 09, 2015, 05:11:41 PM
Yes and you knew it would either be Saturday 3pm or Wednesday at 7.30pm and that was it - and as you say - if you decided on the Friday night you fancied going to Ipswich - you could just get up early and go !
on the football special train from new st

I even remember for some reason we played a game on a Tuesday around 1987 - may even have been a Simod Cup game - and this very elderly chap who we used to stand near for many years said "this is a bit much - playing on a TUESDAY night - I normally take the wife to bingo on Tuesdays !!!"

Didn't we always play Wednesday mid-week and the rags played Tuesday ?
Title: Re: Gone but not forgotten
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 09, 2015, 10:48:04 PM
Yes and you knew it would either be Saturday 3pm or Wednesday at 7.30pm and that was it - and as you say - if you decided on the Friday night you fancied going to Ipswich - you could just get up early and go !
on the football special train from new st

I even remember for some reason we played a game on a Tuesday around 1987 - may even have been a Simod Cup game - and this very elderly chap who we used to stand near for many years said "this is a bit much - playing on a TUESDAY night - I normally take the wife to bingo on Tuesdays !!!"

Didn't we always play Wednesday mid-week and the rags played Tuesday ?

Most definitely. As a kid Tuesday was always a so what day for me but Wednesday was a potential night for memories
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