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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on November 21, 2015, 04:53:28 PM
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Fuck me.
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Everton look pretty great tbf.
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it's not so much the result, given the scores in the other games too, but the manner of the defeat - spineless, clueless, limp
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No win in 12. We're fucked.
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Two straight games at their place we have made it piss easy for them.
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No analysis required...we are well & truly fucked!
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Another Saturday night; another unwatched MOTD.
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All I am hoping out if today is this is rock bottom.
It probably isn't...
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It can't get any worse....
Struggling for anymore positives.
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All I am hoping out if today is this is rock bottom.
It probably isn't...
This
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It's not always about the loss, but the way that you lose.
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The squad-Out!
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#FightLikeDonkeys
We have way too many piss poor, very average, journeymen players that I have zero faith in. Seriously... who would you miss if they never played in the colours again?
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Everton in fairness are a good side who will dick anyone when they all click.
Doesn't excuse our limp response though. I would say Garde has learned more about these players today than he did in the Man City game. Was shocked he picked Grealish as he's waste of a spot when your backs against the wall. Westwood.......why?
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It's win or bust next week for me! Watford are no mugs and will come full of confidence and almost expecting to win.
If we fail to win the game I think we are doomed as the other teams won't keep losing! We have lost no ground today but it won't keep happening
I have absolutely no idea what team or how but we have to find a way to win
The players owe the club a performance and if next week they don't for me it shows they simply aren't good enough or care enough
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We are down I'm afraid
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Why will Watford be full of confidence and expecting to win?
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It can't get any worse....
Struggling for anymore positives.
It can
We have 25 games to go. It could be pure humiliation for 6 months. All of a sudden being relegated with 3 games to go looks attractive.
Then again, keep the faith
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Why will Watford be full of confidence and expecting to win?
You mean apart from the fact that they are playing us?!!
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Our GD looks horrendous.
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Everton look pretty great tbf.
Three cheers for Everton. (Or four)
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Shit or bust starts next week, he has had the last 2 games to assess what he has at his disposal. Tbh we all would have been happy with a point out of the two games which we have gained.
Next week is the biggest in our recent history, no doubt about it.
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We're finished. A chance to build on a decent result and that's what happened - first time we've been proper dicked too, and we were lucky that it was only 4. An absolutely dreadful performance and no positives to take from it.
39 fucking quid!
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I just hope we get past the 11 points that Derby managed.
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Hopefully he will also realise that Richardson, Westwood and playing both Gil and Grealish is not a winning recipe.
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Oh dear.
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Crap. The only positive I can scrape is that we are no further away from safety than we were at 3pm. Next Saturday afternoon is as big as it gets. A loss there will see our target shift from safety to merely trying to avoid being 20th.
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Why will Watford be full of confidence and expecting to win?
Because a fixture against Villa is currently every club's banker, get out of jail free and collect £200 when you pass go rolled into one. If you could play your joker to get double points like they used to do on It's a Knockout, they'd all do it against us.
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It's beyond comprehension how much these players are paid in relation to the professionalism they offer our club. They're an utter disgrace and no self respecting footballer will be mug enough to join the malaise in the next window. Today should be our absolute rock bottom but we all know there's likely to be worse to come. We have 6 more months of this yet.
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I think today should tell Remi Garde who is not up to it and who he can't play in the same team. So as it stands Gil ahead of Grealish but not both together. Sanchez ahead of Westwood and that a new left back and keeper are required (at least on loan) as Guzan's form has dropped through the floor and Richardson is not the answer to any question. He also needs to find the best centre back pairing as none who have played together this season look effective so Okore has to come back in but I'm not sure who with - but definitely not with Lescott.
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We're down, the squad just isn't good enough for this level and there are too many positions to try and fix in January we need virtually a new team. Hope you're happy Lerner.
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I wonder what the Championship is actually like.
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Shocking...only Hutton and Ayew seemed to give a shit.
Sadly, I have to say that I think Remi screwed up too - there is no way that you want to play Grealish in front of Richardson in this game, just asking for trouble.
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To think there were people saying we weren't that bad we were only getting beaten by the odd goal.
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Non league Here we come.....and we have the players to match.
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I wonder what the Championship is actually like.
Competitive?
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I wonder what the Championship is actually like.
It's a place where clubs without any long term strategy go to die
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Piss poor but Everton are in good form at moment and did the same to Sunderland.What we learned is we are not good enough in defence despite the city draw and the midfield minus Sanchez has no strength.
Ayew is not a target man and is better as a deeper attacker running with ball or out wide.
LB is a huge issue and I'm not sure what we can do there until Jan.
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Well that was about as bad as it gets. The entire team were rubbish, but especially Guzan, Richardson, Richards, Clark and Westwood. Bit of a must win next week.
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I wonder what the Championship is actually like.
Difficult to get out of (in the right direction). The problem we'll have is too many supporters who'll have the expectation of an immediate return and will behave like aristocrats slumming it. They'll learn the hard way.
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I wonder what the Championship is actually like.
We're about to find out.
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I think today should tell Remi Garde who is not up to it and who he can't play in the same team. So as it stands Gil ahead of Grealish but not both together. Sanchez ahead of Westwood and that a new left back and keeper are required (at least on loan) as Guzan's form has dropped through the floor and Richardson is not the answer to any question. He also needs to find the best centre back pairing as none who have played together this season look effective so Okore has to come back in but I'm not sure who with - but definitely not with Lescott.
I am slightly concerned that he needed today to realise Grealish & Gil cant play in the same team...it is a complete no brainer!
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It's an incredibly sad, desolate state of affairs when you feel relieved at only losing 4-0, almost gladdened.
This is the worst iteration of Aston Villa I have ever known. We absolutely reek of decay, unprofessionalism, complacency, stupidity and failure. We're almost certain to go down, and few teams will have deserved it more.
We're deep, deep, deep in the slimy, stinking shit. We've doggedly shovelled it all upon ourselves and now we're wallowing in it, rubbing it into our chest and under our arms with a goofy expression on our face. It's a horrible thing to witness.
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We just don't have enough fight! Week on week the same players are mentioned yet nothing happens to them! How Westwood gets back in is staggering
Remi has a whole week for the first time so Saturday is for me the first time we can truely judge him
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Looking for some hope - how about this? After 13 games last season Leicester were bottom of the table. Now look where they are! If they can do it, maybe we can?
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The team gave us nothing today. Most of the players have nothing to give.
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Everton are bang in form and have a far superior squad to us, plus we have several players new to the league and several players who aren't good enough but are getting games because there is no adequate replacement. We've also been poorly managed and invested in for years.
We will go down if we fail to beat Newcastle, Sunderland, Bournemouth, Norwich etc. but as long as we can put 3 of them behind us then we can get out of this and then pray that we get sold, because that is the only way this relentless stream of absolute shite will change for the better.
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This result is clearly payback for all the stick I gave John Parrott about this game last night so I take full responsibility and apologise unreservedly to you all.
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I am not sure this was about attitude. I just think that we have too many poor players and if you start with a goalkeeper that will give at least one easy goal a game you have no chance.
Guzan is the biggest problem and god knows there are plenty more.
Why any one thinks we are in a position to sign the right players in January.
I can not see us getting out of this but I have been saying the same for months.
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We've just got to pull together and use the transfer window very well. We're not out of it, as disappointing as today was. I've got to keep the faith.
Pure speculation on my part but I'm wondering what I would do now if I was in Lerner's position? Looking at the bigger picture, part of me wonders if he would prefer to take a relatively small hit and sell up soon whilst we are still a Premier League club? From his point of view, offloading the club before the transfer window opens might be the savvy/prudent option to take (if there is a willing buyer, of course).
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It's ridiculous talking about must win games in November. Having said that the Watford match is a MUST win game!
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Yeesh. That was a difficult game to watch. We were properly battered and no mistake. Got a few decent passages of play together in the second half, sort of.
Still, we're one point better off from the last two games than I expected, so there's that I suppose.
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I am not sure this was about attitude. I just think that we have too many poor players and if you start with a goalkeeper that will give at least one easy goal a game you have no chance.
Guzan is the biggest problem and god knows there are plenty more.
Why any one thinks we are in a position to sign the right players in January.
I can not see us getting out of this but I have been saying the same for months.
I sort of agree - our players just aren't good enough collectively. I don't think our attitude was particularly bad today, it just wasn't the pumped, amazing, in yer face, up for it style that you sometimes see from underdogs in cups. Maybe we need a bit of that, given we're so short everywhere else.
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Someone mentioned in the previous thread that troubled kicked off at the ground, any truth in it?
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Villa kicked-off five times.
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Villa kicked-off five times.
love it
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It's ridiculous talking about must win games in November. Having said that the Watford match is a MUST win game!
I'm not sure I understand the widespread use of "must win". I think it means "would like to win" usually. I'm finding it more enjoyable wittering on about use of language than writing anything more about football.
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This could be the lowest point in our season and from this game onwards we start pulling together and grinding out a few results before Xmas to tighten up the bottom three. But something with the current mindset at the club tells me we've gone too far to arrest this. Not good at all.
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Repeating what I said on the Match Thread.
I'm trying not to knee jerk to today but I honestly get the feeling that this is an unstoppable juggernaut towards Championship football. There has been an almost inevitable culture of failure at the club for far too long.
In addition there are lots and lots of hallmarks that chime with 1987. The malaise is deep rooted.
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Remi " A tough first half after the first goal we played poorly in the second half we played better. I know the job is tough we are going to stick together because we can do nothing else."
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Garde said happy until first goal. Questioned character of the players collectively, but didn't single out players.
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All I can say is I am depressed but not as depressed as I were this time last Saturday 24 hours post carnage in Paris. This is only a game.
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I wonder what the Championship is actually like.
Competitive?
and physical which wont suit our lightweight fannies
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A round of applause to the Villa fans today...from what I could hear on the tv they were fantastic.
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A round of applause to the Villa fans today...from what I could hear on the tv they were fantastic.
I hope every single player went over and showed some appreciation for them. In reality, probably not.
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It's win or bust next week for me! Watford are no mugs and will come full of confidence and almost expecting to win.
If we fail to win the game I think we are doomed as the other teams won't keep losing! We have lost no ground today but it won't keep happening
I have absolutely no idea what team or how but we have to find a way to win
The players owe the club a performance and if next week they don't for me it shows they simply aren't good enough or care enough
We are already doomed - the statistics since the start of the PL don't lie. I believe that if we survive, we will set a new record as the most amazing escape act ever.
I know it sounds negative but for me, this is about the long term now - will the club's heirarchy give Garde the time to win promotion back and then build from there. I do hope so. Because this constant changing of manager has cost the club very dearly. Remember, Garde is the innocent party here - he inherited an almighty fucked up shambles of a club - poor players, poor structure, poor upper management, poor ownership, and poor financial management. Whoever was advising Randy needs shot because his losses are shortly about to sky rocket on his investment.
The only bright star - we still have class.
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All I can say is I am depressed but not as depressed as I were this time last Saturday 24 hours post carnage in Paris. This is only a game.
Well said that man. Context and all that.
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It's win or bust next week for me! Watford are no mugs and will come full of confidence and almost expecting to win.
If we fail to win the game I think we are doomed as the other teams won't keep losing! We have lost no ground today but it won't keep happening
I have absolutely no idea what team or how but we have to find a way to win
The players owe the club a performance and if next week they don't for me it shows they simply aren't good enough or care enough
We are already doomed - the statistics since the start of the PL don't lie. I believe that if we survive, we will set a new record as the most amazing escape act ever.
I know it sounds negative but for me, this is about the long term now - will the club's heirarchy give Garde the time to win promotion back and then build from there. I do hope so. Because this constant changing of manager has cost the club very dearly. Remember, Garde is the innocent party here - he inherited an almighty fucked up shambles of a club - poor players, poor structure, poor upper management, poor ownership, and poor financial management. Whoever was advising Randy needs shot because his losses are shortly about to sky rocket on his investment.
The only bright star - we still have class.
As I posted on this thread a bit ago, after 13 games last season Leicester were bottom, and look where they are now!
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Is Adama that bad? Not even on the bench! I'd like to see Okore back - he wasn't on the bench either. Richardson and Westwood are rubbish. Why was Sanchez dropped?
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Statistically I don't think survival is the minor miracle its made out to be (I know no club has survived with five points from the first 13 games since football began) as we're not too far adrift and there's two thirds of the season left. Performances like today though, do make you wonder if we can ever be even mediocre again.
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Agree with the culture comment. This has been the culture for 5+ year now. Lowering expectations, a replacing what we lose with cheaper poor quality replacements. The commercial side is doing ship compared to other clubs our 'size', I've heard about issues about the atmosphere in the academy too. Like I've said previously, we fucking stink.
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Why will Watford be full of confidence and expecting to win?
Because they're playing us?! We give any team a win and a boost!
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I wonder what the Championship is actually like.
Hard to bounce back from?
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We lost a month between not sacking Sherwood immediately after Stoke and Garde starting.
Just another in a long line of Senior Management decision making Fuck Ups made since summer 2009. A very very long and expensive line.
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Hard to know what to say anymore.
As things stand we are easily the worst team in the prem, and the league reflects it.
Think we are as good as down, will take one hell of a change of fortunes to save ourselves, and I cant see it happening.
Utterly depressing, totally respect any Villan spending their hard earned money watching that away from home, watching at Villa park is bad enough! the club doesnt deserve the support it gets tbh.
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As bad as anything under the previous managers that. It reminded me early on like the cup final and the game was pretty much panned out like that.
Whoever the manager is the squad isn't good enough for me. We don't have matchwinners, goalscorers and struggle to do the basics.
No chance this squad has 9 wins in them.
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Well, we had a pretty similar formation to Everton but you look at the teams man for man, and is there any of ours that would get near their team? We have fallen so far, considering we were battling it out with them for 'best of the rest' not so long ago. It's so very dire.
The left hand side of the defence was a joke. I was really impressed with Clark over the second half of last season but he has been largely shite this time around, and it was all compounded by having Richardson alongside him. They walked through us down that side. Richards is a great athlete but has very little in the way of brain as well.
As for the midfield...well I have bit my lip all season when fans have been saying that Gana is better than Delph but surely that performance puts those ideas to bed. Anyone who thinks he is even close to Delph's level is just seeing what they want to see. We don't miss Delph quite as much as we miss Benteke, but we miss him one heck of a lot.
And who could blame the two of them for leaving? With them we would maybe have 10 points now but why the fuck should they carry this lump of shite on their shoulders? We are atrocious in every position. A goalkeeper that has gone bat shit mental, a defence that gets pulled apart like paper, the wimpiest midfield to ever play for the club and absolutely zero in the way of goal threat. Sanchez made a difference at least. He is far from perfect, but at least he has a bit about him. He should be in the team every week.
Absolutely woeful, albeit it against a very decent Everton side who, given everything, should be aiming for the top 4 if they keep their best players fit.
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It's win or bust next week for me! Watford are no mugs and will come full of confidence and almost expecting to win.
If we fail to win the game I think we are doomed as the other teams won't keep losing! We have lost no ground today but it won't keep happening
I have absolutely no idea what team or how but we have to find a way to win
The players owe the club a performance and if next week they don't for me it shows they simply aren't good enough or care enough
We are already doomed - the statistics since the start of the PL don't lie. I believe that if we survive, we will set a new record as the most amazing escape act ever.
I know it sounds negative but for me, this is about the long term now - will the club's heirarchy give Garde the time to win promotion back and then build from there. I do hope so. Because this constant changing of manager has cost the club very dearly. Remember, Garde is the innocent party here - he inherited an almighty fucked up shambles of a club - poor players, poor structure, poor upper management, poor ownership, and poor financial management. Whoever was advising Randy needs shot because his losses are shortly about to sky rocket on his investment.
The only bright star - we still have class.
Remi will be gone if we are relegated.
Come in down Sean Dyche
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I suppose Garde is still getting to know the squad, and he doesn't have much to work, but with he got the selection wrong today. It looked far too lightweight and it was no surprise it proved to be just that. If Sanchez was fit he should have started and I don't think Gil and Grealish should start together, certainly not away from home where you need a bit of grit and tracking back.
Our best hope is that we can grind out some results until the window opens and meanwhile line up some early signings at GK, striker and a couple of defenders. If all else fails I'd at least like to see us go down fighting and not bending over every week.
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I quite understand the mess Garde has taken over, but what I am having trouble is the teams lack of understanding that at 2 down quite early on we continued to play with 11 men (okay 10 men and Hutton) for the remainder of the half.
By the way Richardson was far from our worst player out there today.
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Remi Garde's post-match interview (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34891170)
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let's not delude ourselves any longer. We are going to be relegated. It has been coming for 3 seasons now because of the 'direction' (or lack of) from our owner. Forget the desperate naive hope we will escape instead get your antidepressant prescription and AZ to plan your trips to Huddersfield, Leeds etc.
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get your antidepressant prescription and AZ to plan your trips to Huddersfield, Leeds etc.
If it helps you'll be able to use pretty much the same plan for both trips.
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let's not delude ourselves any longer. We are going to be relegated. It has been coming for 3 seasons now because of the 'direction' (or lack of) from our owner. Forget the desperate naive hope we will escape instead get your antidepressant prescription and AZ to plan your trips to Huddersfield, Leeds etc.
I think we'll stay up.
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It's an incredibly sad, desolate state of affairs when you feel relieved at only losing 4-0, almost gladdened.
This is the worst iteration of Aston Villa I have ever known. We absolutely reek of decay, unprofessionalism, complacency, stupidity and failure. We're almost certain to go down, and few teams will have deserved it more.
We're deep, deep, deep in the slimy, stinking shit. We've doggedly shovelled it all upon ourselves and now we're wallowing in it, rubbing it into our chest and under our arms with a goofy expression on our face. It's a horrible thing to witness.
Sadly 'this'. A veritable desolate, reeking, shitehouse of sadness. Thanks Randy.
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I retired to the pub second half..then I had to leave as there were a number of those Sandwell twas in there laughing at us.. so thanks a bunch Randy for allowing our once proud club to be laughed at by fans from some little shitty club in Sandwell.
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I retired to the pub second half..then I had to leave as there were a number of those Sandwell twas in there laughing at us.. so thanks a bunch Randy for allowing our once proud club to be laughed at by fans from some little shitty club in Sandwell.
House!
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This result is clearly payback for all the stick I gave John Parrott about this game last night so I take full responsibility and apologise unreservedly to you all.
Was he any better than that let down David Gunson?
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Yup. I'm afraid nothing will change unless our disinterested owner sells up. Randy, you have let us all down.
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Annoyingly, the media is going to interpret our continued shitness as cast-iron evidence that Sherwood is actually great and had nothing to do with us being utterly wank.
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get your antidepressant prescription and AZ to plan your trips to Huddersfield, Leeds etc.
If it helps you'll be able to use pretty much the same plan for both trips.
Very good!
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This result is clearly payback for all the stick I gave John Parrott about this game last night so I take full responsibility and apologise unreservedly to you all.
Was he any better than that let down David Gunson?
You were there for that one? Sorry! - I wasn't in charge that year.
He has gone down in legend as the standard to be avoided at all costs. John Parrott was light years better.
Not as good as I was, though.
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Someone mentioned in the previous thread that troubled kicked off at the ground, any truth in it?
The police and stewards, as ever at Everton, were incredibly officious, especially at half-time.
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This result is clearly payback for all the stick I gave John Parrott about this game last night so I take full responsibility and apologise unreservedly to you all.
Was he any better than that let down David Gunson?
You were there for that one? Sorry! - I wasn't in charge that year.
He has gone down in legend as the standard to be avoided at all costs. John Parrott was light years better.
Not as good as I was, though.
I was, and was very disappointed particularly as I am keenly interested in civil aviation and thought he would be good value. Glad that it went well last night, you can relax now!
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This result is clearly payback for all the stick I gave John Parrott about this game last night so I take full responsibility and apologise unreservedly to you all.
Was he any better than that let down David Gunson?
You were there for that one? Sorry! - I wasn't in charge that year.
He has gone down in legend as the standard to be avoided at all costs. John Parrott was light years better.
Not as good as I was, though.
I was, and was very disappointed particularly as I am keenly interested in civil aviation and thought he would be good value. Glad that it went well last night, you can relax now!
Cheers!
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Question if Adama and kozak and even nzog have barely featured why can't they play in the u21s to get form and fitness! Adama qualifies and the other two can play as I understand you can have three over age players
Yet another example of our complete incompetence! I would have three of our players in that u21 every game to gain some form and perhaps get the winning feeling if not what are they actually doing?
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Everton are a good team on there day but we have been poor for a while I just don't know were the next win is coming from.
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Woeful - as many have said , that is the worst viewpoint in the Premier League - and £42 and £21 at that .
Our season starts next week - but we have been swirling round the plug hole for years . This year we are gone .
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We need a leader on the pitch.
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We need a leader on the pitch.
We should have signed him in the summer Brian, particularly after Delph left. You're right though, I agree totally.
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Our captain said the opposition wanted it more.
I want it you tit, I want a win.
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It has been so long since I watched MOTD I have forgotten who presents it! I know we are only 13 games into the season but I can't see us avoiding the drop at this rate. Piss poor is an understatement.
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Last time I watched Motd was after Bournemouth. Terry woman could be presenting it now for all I know.
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We need a leader who will go eyeball to eyeball with Brad Guzan and pull the shirt off his back and play in goal himself if necessary.
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We need a leader who will go eyeball to eyeball with Brad Guzan and pull the shirt off his back and play in goal himself if necessary.
I am trying to think if we have ever had a goalkeeper as bad as him.
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last 47 games we have taken 33 points
pathetic home form and too many shit players who really dont give a toss
watford is must win the same as the bitters was, the same as sunderland was, the same as stoke was, the same as swansea was
we are down, 5 points from a third of the season we stink the fucking place out
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We need a leader on the pitch.
Go and get Joey Barton he isn't doing anything is he?
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We need a leader who will go eyeball to eyeball with Brad Guzan and pull the shirt off his back and play in goal himself if necessary.
I am trying to think if we have ever had a goalkeeper as bad as him.
Lee Butler
Enckelman
Kevin Poole
Pyjama Man
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Randy has removed all the scapegoats too. Nobody could blame Garde if we go down.
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We need a new squad - sorry to see people scapegoating though. What sort of blame could you place at Guzan today? I thought he had a good game - its not his fault that what he has in front of him is frankly not good enough.
The fans who were there got behind the team even if it was as mentioned a kind of gallows humour.
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We need a leader who will go eyeball to eyeball with Brad Guzan and pull the shirt off his back and play in goal himself if necessary.
I am trying to think if we have ever had a goalkeeper as bad as him.
Lee Butler- Dont remember
Enckelman - 1 really bad slip
Kevin Poole- hardly played
Pyjama Man- is the right answer
This has been a very long run of fuck ups from Bad.
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We need a new squad - sorry to see people scapegoating though. What sort of blame could you place at Guzan today? I thought he had a good game - its not his fault that what he has in front of him is frankly not good enough.
The fans who were there got behind the team even if it was as mentioned a kind of gallows humour.
The first goal he spilled the ball, the 3rd he had a couple of chances to deal with.
You are right there was some crap in front of him Westwood, Ayew Richardson.
But he is costing us a lot of goals and the first goal is usually the most important.
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We've just got to pull together and use the transfer window very well. We're not out of it, as disappointing as today was. I've got to keep the faith.
Fair play. We're finished in the Prem though; the entire club reeks of failure. The players arses have fallen out of it and the fans are immune. "When we lose, it's like we win" to Tom Hark was sung at 3-0 today, all the while people were getting ejected by the police. It was a poisonous atmosphere.
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How many of our players today would be signed by a club in the the top half of the premiership ?
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How many of our players today would be signed by a club in the the top half of the premiership ?
any club in the premiership
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Our captain said the opposition wanted it more.
I want it you tit, I want a win.
He said that? The team he leads is coming last but isn't busting to win?! Does he understand that's in large part his responsibility?
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The only positive from today is that Garde has had a good look at some other players. He is still getting to know the team. Our second half of the season will be a lot better. The pity is I think we will be too far behind for it to matter.
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The only positive from today is that Garde has had a good look at some other players. He is still getting to know the team. Our second half of the season will be a lot better. The pity is I think we will be too far behind for it to matter.
That's exactly my take.
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Did I really say 'a draw'? Lemmings? A step backward says Remi.. Lerner is a hamster!
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Our captain said the opposition wanted it more.
I want it you tit, I want a win.
He said that? The team he leads is coming last but isn't busting to win?! Does he understand that's in large part his responsibility?
To be honest footballers so rarely say something of insight or intelligence when they one of them does say something remotely interesting they are feted as the second coming of Sartre (eg. G Le Saux).
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It has been so long since I watched MOTD I have forgotten who presents it!
I believe it's presented by Adele and Guy Garvey.
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When i saw the team selected at 2 05pm i feared the worst i really did.Only good things to come out of today is it was only 4 and Small Heath lost at home again.A depressing time to be a follower of a once great club.
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It has been so long since I watched MOTD I have forgotten who presents it!
I believe it's presented by Adele and Guy Garvey.
Well it was Jimmy Hill last time I watched.
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Just listened to remis interview. He sounds very intelligent and knows what the story is. Doesnt want to blame anyone individually but he probably knows now that half the team are utter gash.
Dont want to single out brad as im a fan but his confidence is low and cant instill much in our already creaking defence.
Last year was a get to benteke and at least he would hold it up. Obviously that out let is gone.
Saddest thing is that it doesnt even hurt anymore. 4 th goal went in and i just laughed and went to clean the car.
Well done to all the supporters that went you deserve something better than that.
One of my best mates is a Leicester fan. Bleh.
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If it hadn't have been for the international matches he would hve kept the same team, as it was he rested a couple and Amavi is out for the season. The second half was an improvement but just who is going to get the goals, After he bought Gestede on not one cross was put into the box, now if that isn't going to be part of the game plan why bring him on? he is useless anywhere else. Westwood should never play again a total waste of space and along with Gabby is a major part of what is wrong at Villa.
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Last time I watched Motd was after Bournemouth. Terry woman could be presenting it now for all I know.
MOTD used to be a Saturday Night TV shoe in/must watch TV/a staple diet of great telly...It's been that long since I've watched it , it's got the same vibe as Crossroads.
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Everton fans on the Grauniad website (below the match report) claiming that some of our fans were singing "Stand up if you hate Muslims". Anyone hear that? I do hope not.
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Everton fans on the Grauniad website (below the match report) claiming that some of our fans were singing "Stand up if you hate Muslims". Anyone hear that? I do hope not.
Stand up if you hate Isis. Guardian posters are full of shit.
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Liverpool's win today shows precisely what confidence can do. They have been steadily improving overall since Klopp arrived and that includes a recent home defeat to Palace. Today is enormous for them.
We need a win, something, anything. Then build from that. The international break for us could not have come at a worse time, because whatever little momentum we had after Man City was interrupted. Throw in a season ending injury, players returning from all over the place, and then a trip to a side that has been on good form and strong at home. It wasn't always going to end this way, but there was a good chance of it happening.
This is a massive week now. Garde has the full squad, and he will have a bit more information to go on. Some players either don't have it, or haven't any confidence and need to take a step back. Others need to given an opportunity or need to force the managers hand in training. The manager needs to be brave also. There is no hiding place.
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Just watching football league tonight for the first time. It's depressing to think that this is likely to be the new MOTD for us.
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Everton are a good team on there day but we have been poor for a while I just don't know were the next win is coming from.
I'm not sure there is anything anyone could add to that.
Darren, you say so much in just a few words.
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Everton are a good team on there day but we have been poor for a while I just don't know were the next win is coming from.
Darren I can see you are marginally irritated. Use of wrong words a couple of times and an extra-ordinary long post has confirmed that your state of mind is disturbed.
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Good post Darren.
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Everton fans on the Grauniad website (below the match report) claiming that some of our fans were singing "Stand up if you hate Muslims". Anyone hear that? I do hope not.
Stand up if you hate Isis. Guardian posters are full of shit.
Thanks for that. I know we've got our idiots like every club, but I found that very hard to believe. Might have to go and correct those mishearing posters then, if no one's done it already.
Edit: I see you've already done it Stu. I take it that was you? No shrift given. Nice work, nicely put.
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Another horrible performance from Aston Villa. I honestly think the only thing that'll save us this season will be Lerner opening his wallet in January and buying players worthy of our club.
Let's just hope we stay in touch before January turns up.
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I turned off at 2, my stream wasn't the best and it was just depressing, I've had the fight knocked out of me. I really need 2 positives.
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Another horrible performance from Aston Villa. I honestly think the only thing that'll save us this season will be Lerner opening his wallet in January and buying players worthy of our club.
Let's just hope we stay in touch before January turns up.
Is Lerner going to back Garde or sign the players he wants ( if you believe Sherwood ) we need a good striker but where you going to find one in January?
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Back him or we're down, it's as simple as that. No more scrimping and saving because that's what's got us into this problem in the first place.
We can't take much more of this shit.
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Who is going to want to join a team in this shit?I think it is too late, we will be too many points away when the window opens.
I think we better get used to the idea we are gone.
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Who is going to want to join a team in this shit?I think it is too late, we will be too many points away when the window opens.
I think we better get used to the idea we are gone.
If it's all the same to you I won't be surrendering just yet.
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Who is going to want to join a team in this shit?I think it is too late, we will be too many points away when the window opens.
I think we better get used to the idea we are gone.
Offer the players the money and they'll come. It's always been the same.
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To think, we outplayed a Leicester team for 70 minutes, and they're now top of the table!
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To think, we outplayed a Leicester team for 70 minutes, and they're now top of the table!
I'd say most relegated teams could say that about matches across a season. Results are what matter and we just can't get them.
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I saw it mentioned earlier that the international break came at a really bad time, I really think that is true for us. I still think we have some decent players, but there are players who really need to look at themselves now. Next week is a massive, massive game, my big worry is who is going to score the goals and left back is awful. Can Clark do a job there till January?
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I turned off at 2, my stream wasn't the best and it was just depressing, I've had the fight knocked out of me. I really need 2 positives.
at 2-0 I started catching up on texts and Facebook posts.....and I was stood in the front row at Goodison.
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Liverpool's win today shows precisely what confidence can do. They have been steadily improving overall since Klopp arrived and that includes a recent home defeat to Palace. Today is enormous for them.
Difference is they have Milner and Coutinho where we have Westwood and Agbonlahor. It's not all about confidence, we need to spend big in January.
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Liverpool's win today shows precisely what confidence can do. They have been steadily improving overall since Klopp arrived and that includes a recent home defeat to Palace. Today is enormous for them.
Difference is they have Milner and Coutinho where we have Westwood and Agbonlahor. It's not all about confidence, we need to spend big in January.
It's all relative. We need to beat the teams around us. They have players to compete at the other end of the table. Yes we need to spend, but we need to believe we can win. The current players aren't shit. They have just forgotten they can be good.
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Liverpool's win today shows precisely what confidence can do. They have been steadily improving overall since Klopp arrived and that includes a recent home defeat to Palace. Today is enormous for them.
Difference is they have Milner and Coutinho where we have Westwood and Agbonlahor. It's not all about confidence, we need to spend big in January.
Unsurprisingly you've just named their best two and our worst two.
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Our only aim now is to out perform Norwich, B'mth, Sunderland, Newcastle and one other that will get dragged into it. Not impossible by any means but we need to get a wiggle on...quickly.
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I didn't really fancy us before the game to be honest and after watching them pass it round for the first three minutes without us touching the ball, I thought it was going to be long day. We were shocking, it was probably the easiest game Everton will have all season. I'm not giving up just yet though. Anyone giving up in November deserves to go down.
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Liverpool's win today shows precisely what confidence can do. They have been steadily improving overall since Klopp arrived and that includes a recent home defeat to Palace. Today is enormous for them.
Difference is they have Milner and Coutinho where we have Westwood and Agbonlahor. It's not all about confidence, we need to spend big in January.
It's not all about confidence, but it is a big factor. Look at Leicester; look at their line-up today, on paper it's as exciting as a mug of Horlicks. Vardy's freakish form notwithstanding that's as mediocre a bunch of players as you'll ever see, yet they're top of the league and on a phenomenal run. That's confidence that is. See how we crumble under pressure? That's confidence too, or more precisely a lack of it. Winning can become a habit, just as losing every game can. If we can just scrape a win from somewhere we may see a transformation. Out of interest, who would you be spending big on in January to guarantee us safety?
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Liverpool's win today shows precisely what confidence can do. They have been steadily improving overall since Klopp arrived and that includes a recent home defeat to Palace. Today is enormous for them.
Difference is they have Milner and Coutinho where we have Westwood and Agbonlahor. It's not all about confidence, we need to spend big in January.
Unsurprisingly you've just named their best two and our worst two.
But to be fair, he could name any random two from our team. They're all pretty bad, currently.
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Is Adama that bad? Not even on the bench! I'd like to see Okore back - he wasn't on the bench either. Richardson and Westwood are rubbish. Why was Sanchez dropped?
I echo your thoughts, sir.
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Out of interest, who would you be spending big on in January to guarantee us safety?
I'd have to think about it, but Michy Batshuayi would be near the top of my list.
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Not read the thread and don't need to. Utter, utter shit from minute one. We are only going one way. Rubbish.
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Throw in a season ending injury, players returning from all over the place, and then a trip to a side that has been on good form and strong at home. It wasn't always going to end this way, but there was a good chance of this happening.
TV , the commentator on MOTD said they had won 1 in 5 - hardly good form. They played well but we helped them.
At the moment we smell worse than the team of 1987.
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Liverpool's win today shows precisely what confidence can do. They have been steadily improving overall since Klopp arrived and that includes a recent home defeat to Palace. Today is enormous for them.
Difference is they have Milner and Coutinho where we have Westwood and Agbonlahor. It's not all about confidence, we need to spend big in January.
Unsurprisingly you've just named their best two and our worst two.
But to be fair, he could name any random two from our team. They're all pretty bad, currently.
Agreed Nick. And he omitted Benteke from their good players.
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Out of interest, who would you be spending big on in January to guarantee us safety?
I'd have to think about it, but Michy Batshuayi would be near the top of my list.
Batshuayi? Marseille want £35m for him, apparently. I haven't seen anything in Randy Lerner's recent behaviour that suggests he might allow a signing like that.
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Out of interest, who would you be spending big on in January to guarantee us safety?
I'd have to think about it, but Michy Batshuayi would be near the top of my list.
Batshuayi? Marseille want £35m for him, apparently. I haven't seen anything in Randy Lerner's recent behaviour that suggests he might allow a signing like that.
Not even £24m for Bent? Not that I think we'll spend £35m on a striker but I don't believe budget will be a problem in January.
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Having watched the highlights on MOTD and Match Choice, todays bad result was very much a reflection of a piss poor performance. The disciplined shape, formation and hard work we saw against Man City was lost today with players caught out of position, losing possession cheaply and no shape to the team. It was a fuckin mess from front to back.
When I saw the lineup before kickoff I actually had a double take and recount the players as I couldn't see any forward line...I literally saw 6 midfielders that could may be capable of creating a chance for someone, but that someone wasn't on the pitch. I didn't bother following the game other than checking the score at half and full time.
We're in the shit and I think Garde has a massive job on his hands. He's probably realising that we haven't got a decent squad, and should be already identifying who needs replacing and bringing in during the January transfer window...if not, then he should be and he needs to tell Lerner and Fox what we need to get us out of this fuck up.
Personally I think there is no spine to the team, so we need a goalkeeper, 2x central defenders, 2x central midfielders and a recognised centre forward...the players we have now are (hopefully) good enough to fill the places around the spine (we also need a new LB and RB but that would be just greedy or even more unrealistic). This needs serious financial investment...without it, we are down.
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Liverpool's win today shows precisely what confidence can do. They have been steadily improving overall since Klopp arrived and that includes a recent home defeat to Palace. Today is enormous for them.
Difference is they have Milner and Coutinho where we have Westwood and Agbonlahor. It's not all about confidence, we need to spend big in January.
Unsurprisingly you've just named their best two and our worst two.
But to be fair, he could name any random two from our team. They're all pretty bad, currently.
Yes this is the worst team I've ever seen.
Worse than 87. It's no good kidding ourselves the players are good enough to stay up and that teams like Newcastle. Sunderland and Bournemouth are so poor that we'll overtake them. We are the team with the poorest set of players.
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It's win or bust next week for me! Watford are no mugs and will come full of confidence and almost expecting to win.
If we fail to win the game I think we are doomed as the other teams won't keep losing! We have lost no ground today but it won't keep happening
I have absolutely no idea what team or how but we have to find a way to win
The players owe the club a performance and if next week they don't for me it shows they simply aren't good enough or care enough
Totally agree. If we don't win next week I see no way out of our predicament. At least my Everton supporting mate only said Villa were better in the second half and left it at that.
Spineless rubbish.
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Throw in a season ending injury, players returning from all over the place, and then a trip to a side that has been on good form and strong at home. It wasn't always going to end this way, but there was a good chance of this happening.
TV , the commentator on MOTD said they had won 1 in 5 - hardly good form. They played well but we helped them.
At the moment we smell worse than the team of 1987.
Yes but that one win was the last game where they won 6-2 ..they started slow but Lukaku /Barkley and Deulofeu are now in fantastic form and we could'nt deal with them.
I agree with the comments on Leicester , on paper they are nothing special but they have such momentum now its carrying them on , us we have been a shambles since Soton destroyed us , add in the FA cup disaster and losing Delph/Benteke and we have had the stuffing kicked out of us.We recruited well IMO but those players have come into a team with no confidence and they have had to try and find form and have struggled.
When Amavi got injured I knew it was a massive blow and today highlighted that , not only do we miss him the issue is multiplied by just how poor Richardson is as his replacement.
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Out of interest, who would you be spending big on in January to guarantee us safety?
I'd have to think about it, but Michy Batshuayi would be near the top of my list.
Batshuayi? Marseille want £35m for him, apparently. I haven't seen anything in Randy Lerner's recent behaviour that suggests he might allow a signing like that.
Not even £24m for Bent? Not that I think we'll spend £35m on a striker but I don't believe budget will be a problem in January.
Bent was years ago, Bent was an absolute blip, even in Randy's non-stinge era Bent was a big old splurge. I hope you're right about the January budget, but if we have as much as £35m to throw around I hope we don't blow it all on one striker. Best hope is that Garde gets more out of this squad and then has a few quid to supplement it with two or three solid performers.
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If you fill your team with championship standard players there is only one place you'll end up. Garde needs to grind out some result and then come January replace pretty much all of them. Problem is, who would come to Villa in January when you're bottom of the league?
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Just watched MOTD. I'd put Richardson on gardening leave for the rest of his contract. Absolutely fecking useless! Jogging back without a care in the world every time an Everton player skinned him.... and there were LOTS of those moments.
I think we're gone now. No team has EVER stayed up in the Premiership after this number of games with our points tally. Watford is definitely the litmus test - Lose that and it's time to put the mortgage on relegation. :(
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I am often accused by friends of having (optimistic) claret & blue eyes but having witnessed that today I am beyond hope. Everton were good but all of the things you would expect from players playing for a new manager were missing - hard work, passion, commitment, self respect, etc. We can stay up but how is beyond me. Simple maths says we will need 31+ points from 25 games, when have we accumulated over a point a game over such a long period? 2009?
If I try and pick a team in my head for next week I can't see many of the 11 from today in it but the alternatives are not any better, even assuming he were to throw in a half fit Okore, a raw Adama and a very rusty Kozak.
Time is very much against us and if we drift through December like this it will take league winning form to keep us up and that just ain't gonna happen, even with my claret & blue eyes.
Very very sad
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Did anybody hear that donkey on the post match phone-in banging on about "I thought we would be winning pretty much every game under Garde" and "We needed Gabby"
Jesus Christ, where do these utter morons come from.
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Liverpool's win today shows precisely what confidence can do. They have been steadily improving overall since Klopp arrived and that includes a recent home defeat to Palace. Today is enormous for them.
Difference is they have Milner and Coutinho where we have Westwood and Agbonlahor. It's not all about confidence, we need to spend big in January.
Unsurprisingly you've just named their best two and our worst two.
But to be fair, he could name any random two from our team. They're all pretty bad, currently.
Yes this is the worst team I've ever seen.
Worse than 87. It's no good kidding ourselves the players are good enough to stay up and that teams like Newcastle. Sunderland and Bournemouth are so poor that we'll overtake them. We are the team with the poorest set of players.
We are also the team with least amount of fight and discipline in the league.
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Who is going to want to join a team in this shit?I think it is too late, we will be too many points away when the window opens.
I think we better get used to the idea we are gone.
If it's all the same to you I won't be surrendering just yet.
I would not expect you to. I was responding to the idea that it is all about Randy getting his cheque book out. Sadly i think it is too late.When you think about the amount of investment that has gone into this club since Randy took over it is scandolous that we are where we are.
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Liverpool's win today shows precisely what confidence can do. They have been steadily improving overall since Klopp arrived and that includes a recent home defeat to Palace. Today is enormous for them.
Difference is they have Milner and Coutinho where we have Westwood and Agbonlahor. It's not all about confidence, we need to spend big in January.
Unsurprisingly you've just named their best two and our worst two.
But to be fair, he could name any random two from our team. They're all pretty bad, currently.
Yes this is the worst team I've ever seen.
Worse than 87. It's no good kidding ourselves the players are good enough to stay up and that teams like Newcastle. Sunderland and Bournemouth are so poor that we'll overtake them. We are the team with the poorest set of players.
Totally agree.
Guzan = Very average
Richards = Awful defender
Clark = Calamity
Richardson = Garbage
Hutton = Never rated him
Westwood = What does he even do?
Sanchez = Hit and miss
Veretout = see above
Gueye = At the moment loses concentration, lightweight.
Grealish = Massively overhyped & rated, very lightweight.
Gil = We need 10 more players with his skill level or above (Not below)
Jushede = Garbage
Ayew = Has improved his all round game but still nowhere near what we need.
N'Zogbia = I swear the only time I heard his name mentioned was when he came on.
Subs: Sinclair might offer something but he's also very inconsistent, the rest bye bye.
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Liverpool's win today shows precisely what confidence can do. They have been steadily improving overall since Klopp arrived and that includes a recent home defeat to Palace. Today is enormous for them.
Difference is they have Milner and Coutinho where we have Westwood and Agbonlahor. It's not all about confidence, we need to spend big in January.
Unsurprisingly you've just named their best two and our worst two.
Not that I agree with the previous poster but our worst two get regular games which I think is a microcosm of where we're at.
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Liverpool's win today shows precisely what confidence can do. They have been steadily improving overall since Klopp arrived and that includes a recent home defeat to Palace. Today is enormous for them.
Difference is they have Milner and Coutinho where we have Westwood and Agbonlahor. It's not all about confidence, we need to spend big in January.
On who exactly?
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I remember when 3 points at Goodison was routine. Oh Lord, for those days to return.
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When was that? By my reckoning we've won there twice in the last 16 visits, and 8 times since the Morley game in 1981.
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Just watched MOTD. I'd put Richardson on gardening leave for the rest of his contract. Absolutely fecking useless! Jogging back without a care in the world every time an Everton player skinned him.... and there were LOTS of those moments.
I think we're gone now. No team has EVER stayed up in the Premiership after this number of games with our points tally. Watford is definitely the litmus test - Lose that and it's time to put the mortgage on relegation. :(
Yes, my assumption is we are now gone. Of course, it's still possible to stay up and all that but I find my Saturdays much less stressful if I work from the position that it's the Championship next season. I'm not sure it won't actually come as some sort of cathartic relief.
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The difference this week versus against Citeh is that we largely stopped the ball coming into the danger area at VP whereas Everton peppered us from the start.
I honestly don't believe that Guzan, Richards and Clark are duds: I think that they have been battered and the effect is eventual capitulation. Our fullbacks and midfield have to close down the oppo and limit the opportunities. Yesterday, we were creamed.
Garde has to deal with this, and soon.
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Remember when we all used to be worried about losing our best players if we got relegated
no one needs to be wetting their pants about that anymore
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Remember when we all used to be worried about losing our best players if we got relegated
no one needs to be wetting their pants about that anymore
Every cloud mate.
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If we had lost 4-0 to Man City and had just drawn 0-0 with Everton, would things look any different? Before Garde came in I had both games down as certain losses, so a point out of them is still a point.
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As I posted on this thread a bit ago, after 13 games last season Leicester were bottom, and look where they are now!
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The difference with Leicester last year was although they were bottom, they were playing well and were always in games. They were creating chances, we are not. In most games we have 1 or 2 shots on goal at best...that is the most damning statistic for me. We never look like scoring, never mind winning. It doesn't matter who we are playing against the pattern is the same. We have too many players who are not good enough and confidence is non existent.
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My silver cloud is that i will be cancelling the rubbish site that is Foxtel and saving myself over one thousand dollars a year. i got out of bed to watch the game and forced myself to sit it out til the end in sympathy with the away support. We are far too lightweight across the park, Gil tries his heart out as does Hutton yes i know he is limited but ten out of ten for effort. Grealish would be fine with better players around him. Did most of us get it wrong thinking that the squad was better than it is?
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The quality of our players isn't good enough and confidence is low but that does not excuse not doing the basics right and not being prepared to battle. 1st goal 2 everton players unmarked at far post..2nd...lukaku was on his arse. Got up and headed in unchallenged. 3rd...fuck up..4th..sliced through us..that's nothing to do with quality or confidence. It's about players with no determination..it's about players who do not care enough..it's about players who jog back and don't work hard enough..it's about players who switch off..it's not what you expect from any professional footballer.
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6 more months of this bollocks to go yet.
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But at least we haven't got a struggle against relegation to worry about.
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Sounds to me like the feeling of 87 is back amongst the fans too. I went to loads of away games that year and as the season went on and it became obvious to everybody we were going down the numbers at away games started to increase and lads I knew that didn't go away started to.
Reason, we stopped worrying about the football and just started having a laugh. To be fair though, it was a lot cheaper back then.
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To achieve a winning combination you need the spine of the team to be consistently good. The goalkeeper,the centre half and the centre forward. We do not have the personnel for these positions. Yesterday we were second to the ball far far too many times. In fact it occurred to me that we cannot possibly hope to stay up with the players that are available to Remi Garde. One or two show talent but not on a sustained level of performance. It would seem that Jores Okore and in particular Libor Kozak are not rated by the new manager and as for Adama Traore, well perhaps he is not anywhere near as good as we were lead to believe by what we saw on You Tube.
I feel sorry for Remi Garde he seems a decent bloke with an impossible task on his hands.
I am now of the opinion that we will probably go down without much of a fight.
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You hit the nail on the head there Ron...fight......totally inexcusable I think. It costs nothing to at least battle.
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Who is going to want to join a team in this shit?I think it is too late, we will be too many points away when the window opens.
I think we better get used to the idea we are gone.
If it's all the same to you I won't be surrendering just yet.
You might not have surrendered but the players have? It's like the sporting version of the walking dead ......
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Villa are 5/2 not to be relegated. That is money in the bank as far as I'm concerned.
We will turn it round.
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I think we're gone to be honest. Even if our form improves, i just cant see it improving consistantly enough to get the points. Defence is again a shambles, Richardson and Clark as a left sided pair are the worst ive ever seen, they are utterly clueless.
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All the statistics of the Everton match were pretty disappointing but one stood out for me - no yellow cards for Villa players. Showed a lack of fight or maybe they just couldn't get near enough to Everton players.
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Villa are 5/2 not to be relegated. That is money in the bank as far as I'm concerned.
We will turn it round.
Thanks Bish
I'm having some of that.
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The difference this week versus against Citeh is that we largely stopped the ball coming into the danger area at VP whereas Everton peppered us from the start.
I honestly don't believe that Guzan, Richards and Clark are duds: I think that they have been battered and the effect is eventual capitulation. Our fullbacks and midfield have to close down the oppo and limit the opportunities. Yesterday, we were creamed.
Garde has to deal with this, and soon.
On their day most of the players are or would be good enough. Westwood Gabby Lescott and Richardson arenot good enough for this level even as squad players. 2 of them started yesterday.
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My silver cloud is that i will be cancelling the rubbish site that is Foxtel and saving myself over one thousand dollars a year. i got out of bed to watch the game and forced myself to sit it out til the end in sympathy with the away support. We are far too lightweight across the park, Gil tries his heart out as does Hutton yes i know he is limited but ten out of ten for effort. Grealish would be fine with better players around him. Did most of us get it wrong thinking that the squad was better than it is?
10/10 for effort mate. I watched it in a pub so at least I could get smashed & try to forget the utter shambles that are currently wearing the famous Aston Villa colours. No positives for me. Worst
villa team in living memory. Sad times.
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Villa are 5/2 not to be relegated. That is money in the bank as far as I'm concerned.
We will turn it round.
Are you on something?
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Villa are 5/2 not to be relegated. That is money in the bank as far as I'm concerned.
We will turn it round.
Are you on something?
It's called being optimistic. No problem with that at all.
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Had the joy of watching the goals stream in with my northern mates in Manchester. Worst feeling in the world. After watching MOTD I just said I wish we could forfeit the rest of the season.
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Take it Goldie you don't rate our chances of staying up.
I know its a lot of ifs and buts but take the Leciester game should have seen out, Swansea at home - okay got battered last 15 mins but generally as good or poor as them. Those 6 points would have had our heads out of the water. Just hope we can blow the necessary bubbles whilst our heads are in the lake.
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That game could have been lifted from any season in recent years; toothless up front and concede too easily. I didn't expect us to win but I had hoped to see an improved performance. I hate the cliche of "must win game" but next week is probably one occasion that the term is appropriate.
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That game could have been lifted from any season in recent years; toothless up front and concede too easily. I didn't expect us to win but I had hoped to see an improved performance. I hate the cliche of "must win game" but next week is probably one occasion that the term is appropriate.
It was similar to Lambert's first home game.
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As I said before, the only positive I can scrape is that we are no further away from safety than we were at 3pm, still 5 points. Lose next week though and we need snookers.
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Villa are 5/2 not to be relegated. That is money in the bank as far as I'm concerned.
We will turn it round.
Are you on something?
It's called being optimistic. No problem with that at all.
Well I am always optimistic about the Villa but even I have to admit this is the worst Villa team in 18 years of the premier league. The main problem I see is not lack of ability but lack of fight. Eg: 2.0 down yesterday and ball goes out for a throw in to us. Their player walks away shielding the ball to stop us taking a quick throw in. Our players just stand and watch him. The fans were going ballistic. A small thing I know but indicative of the state of mind of our current crop of players. That's why I questioned if the previous poster was on something.
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Just got round to watching MOTD. As everybody has said we looked a complete shambles, didn't realise we actually got into Everton's half and was quite surprised to find Veretout had a chance and Richardson, who looked totally out of his depth, had a decent effort on goal.
The total lack of fight in the display is obviously unacceptable and that alone is something Garde must not allow to happen again, if we are going to have a remote chance of staying up.
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Just don't see who is going to replace the 12 or so goals Benteke would have guaranteed.
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Sounds like our captain will be next to be dropped. Very disappointing to read that the second game into Garde's reign that the players just capitulated again. Starting without Sanchez a big mistake though, the midfield we started with would be blown over by a gust of wind.
If we don't win next weekend I think we are down and I can't see us keeping a clean sheet
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That game could have been lifted from any season in recent years; toothless up front and concede too easily. I didn't expect us to win but I had hoped to see an improved performance. I hate the cliche of "must win game" but next week is probably one occasion that the term is appropriate.
It was similar to Lambert's first home game.
You see and his reign didn't turn out too badly did it.....
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I can only think that the Sanchez omission was down to his worldwide travelling exploits. There was no reason to change after the last game. Have to be honest thought the Grealish for Sinclair one puzzled me. Away from you need a bit of pace and I think Sinclair could've offered more than Jack in this fixture. As for left back, we have very little choice.
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Villa are 5/2 not to be relegated. That is money in the bank as far as I'm concerned.
We will turn it round.
Are you on something?
It's called being optimistic. No problem with that at all.
Well I am always optimistic about the Villa but even I have to admit this is the worst Villa team in 18 years of the premier league. The main problem I see is not lack of ability but lack of fight. Eg: 2.0 down yesterday and ball goes out for a throw in to us. Their player walks away shielding the ball to stop us taking a quick throw in. Our players just stand and watch him. The fans were going ballistic. A small thing I know but indicative of the state of mind of our current crop of players. That's why I questioned if the previous poster was on something.
yep. How did they go from the man city performance to such a gutless display? They are looking resigned to the drop which is unacceptable. We are typified by richards - a busy fool who somehow has made captain
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Manchester city got well beaten as well, maybe we wore each other out!
Seriously though, I still think we can stay up. The other results were kind to us so we are no worse off and t's a point more than Sherwood would have after those two games. The manager is acknowledging the problems and dealing with them.
If we beat Watford then things will look a lot better. Hopefully we will start with the team that played against Man City next game.
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View from the other side. That was my first game for a while and went with a load of Toffee supporters. For the record their verdict was: Crikey-you are worse than we thought, but better second half. Grealish looked a class act-yes they liked the look of him! No fight whatsoever. Teams that put us (Everton) under pressure will always score you didn't. Sunderland may have conceded 6 but put in a much better performance last game. People around me knew I was Villa and most felt sorry for me or just shook their heads. No gloaters, just sad looks from them. They were not even sure if they had played well!
I returned home not disappointed but feeling totally humiliated. It is desperate watching these days and no wonder I find it painful to attend.
I have said this before and please take this in the context it is meant: I would rather watch us in a lower division playing a proper two-sided game than this slow torture. No blame to anyone makes any difference, we just have to grin and bear it. Fans were still brilliant yesterday in an otherwise almost silent ground. I am not sure even the home fans enjoyed it.
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Oh I don't know Kipeye. I'm sure I'd enjoy a good 4-0 battering over weak opposition.
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Sanchez not starting had to be tiredness , were much better when he came on as he got stuck in and won balls.We were not only too light weight before but the midfield didn't hold the ball or support the attacking three.
I don't think our team or squad are worse than watfords for instance we are just mentally shot.The goals yesterday were all awful defending the left side of defence was a shambles both Clark and Richardson were abysmal.
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I thought Grealish was awful yesterday. He offered no cover to Richardson, who was targeted and routinely exposed by their Barca kid.
We started without any tempo, had no pace and therefore an outlet, so they were able to smother us and keep a high line and he result was a wretched 45 minutes.
Yes they played well, but Westwood was his typical joke self when it comes to picking up runners; a jet lagged Sanchez wouldn't have been bullied so easily, while Veretout gave the ball away a lot and Gana wasn't in it at all.
We set out to contain them, as we had done Man City and it failed. A point from Spurs, Everton and Man City is probably a point more than expected, but now comes a crucial game.
We have got to break this losing habit we've fallen into and give ourselves a chance.
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Villa are 5/2 not to be relegated. That is money in the bank as far as I'm concerned.
We will turn it round.
Are you on something?
It's called being optimistic. No problem with that at all.
Well I am always optimistic about the Villa but even I have to admit this is the worst Villa team in 18 years of the premier league. The main problem I see is not lack of ability but lack of fight. Eg: 2.0 down yesterday and ball goes out for a throw in to us. Their player walks away shielding the ball to stop us taking a quick throw in. Our players just stand and watch him. The fans were going ballistic. A small thing I know but indicative of the state of mind of our current crop of players. That's why I questioned if the previous poster was on something.
yep. How did they go from the man city performance to such a gutless display? They are looking resigned to the drop which is unacceptable. We are typified by richards - a busy fool who somehow has made captain
I said that during the game yesterday. They look like a team who have resigned themselves to their fate. THAT is the thing that is really bothering me.
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As an aside, I have to give credit to Brian Little who found a positive in every dire circumstance yesterday.
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As an aside, I have to give credit to Brian Little who found a positive in every dire circumstance yesterday.
That's because Sir Brian Little is a Villa legend. And he can walk on water.
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Villa are 5/2 not to be relegated. That is money in the bank as far as I'm concerned.
We will turn it round.
Are you on something?
It's called being optimistic. No problem with that at all.
Well I am always optimistic about the Villa but even I have to admit this is the worst Villa team in 18 years of the premier league. The main problem I see is not lack of ability but lack of fight. Eg: 2.0 down yesterday and ball goes out for a throw in to us. Their player walks away shielding the ball to stop us taking a quick throw in. Our players just stand and watch him. The fans were going ballistic. A small thing I know but indicative of the state of mind of our current crop of players. That's why I questioned if the previous poster was on something.
yep. How did they go from the man city performance to such a gutless display? They are looking resigned to the drop which is unacceptable. We are typified by richards - a busy fool who somehow has made captain
I said that during the game yesterday. They look like a team who have resigned themselves to their fate. THAT is the thing that is really bothering me.
Confidence is so important in football. Ours is so fragile that it cannot take the slightest hit without crumbling. That is the biggest job Remi has on his hands if we are going to give ourselves any chance of getting out of this situation.
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Out of interest, who would you be spending big on in January to guarantee us safety?
I'd have to think about it, but Michy Batshuayi would be near the top of my list.
Batshuayi? Marseille want £35m for him, apparently. I haven't seen anything in Randy Lerner's recent behaviour that suggests he might allow a signing like that.
Marseille might want £35m, but they won't get it. They sold their best player in the summer for £15m, they need the money. If we offered them £20m, they'd rip our arm off.
It's gonna take more than that though. We need to sign a few players who can instantly improve us, not ones who might be good enough in a year or two.
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Villa are 5/2 not to be relegated. That is money in the bank as far as I'm concerned.
We will turn it round.
Are you on something?
It's called being optimistic. No problem with that at all.
Well I am always optimistic about the Villa but even I have to admit this is the worst Villa team in 18 years of the premier league. The main problem I see is not lack of ability but lack of fight. Eg: 2.0 down yesterday and ball goes out for a throw in to us. Their player walks away shielding the ball to stop us taking a quick throw in. Our players just stand and watch him. The fans were going ballistic. A small thing I know but indicative of the state of mind of our current crop of players. That's why I questioned if the previous poster was on something.
yep. How did they go from the man city performance to such a gutless display? They are looking resigned to the drop which is unacceptable. We are typified by richards - a busy fool who somehow has made captain
I said that during the game yesterday. They look like a team who have resigned themselves to their fate. THAT is the thing that is really bothering me.
Confidence is so important in football. Ours is so fragile that it cannot take the slightest hit without crumbling. That is the biggest job Remi has on his hands if we are going to give ourselves any chance of getting out of this situation.
Spot on.
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The other crucial thing is that the Club shows some leadership and galvanizes the support. A huge part of Leicester's fightback last year stemmed from the atmosphere they started to generate at home games. I'm not saying we go the whole hog and issue supporters with plastic clapper things but we need to do something that shrugs off the apathy, draws a line in the sand and gets us all focused and up for it. It's all about belief and direction.
I'd be writing this suggestion and sending it to our head of media/PR if I knew who on earth it was these days.
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We need goals and don't have many if any in our locker, that is something I don't think Remi can resolve. Leicester had strikers and we don't. The lack of a Plan B for Adebayor is imo one of them main reasons we are where we are.
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Agree the next game is now absolutely crucial!
Maybe Randy does have a pot of cash to spend in January, but if we don't have say...15 points by then, we'll be buying players to get out of the Championship rather than to stay up. :(
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Every game is crucial. Pity the team don't realise the fact. Yesterday's surrender spoke volumes for me. This mob are only going one way right now.
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The other crucial thing is that the Club shows some leadership and galvanizes the support. A huge part of Leicester's fightback last year stemmed from the atmosphere they started to generate at home games. I'm not saying we go the whole hog and issue supporters with plastic clapper things but we need to do something that shrugs off the apathy, draws a line in the sand and gets us all focused and up for it. It's all about belief and direction.
I'd be writing this suggestion and sending it to our head of media/PR if I knew who on earth it was these days.
The club is totally at fault here. The clampdown on Brigada is crazy. Brigada
was formed to bring back the atmosphere at the Holte and what does the club do? Get heavy handed with the police and stewards throwing them out!!! Then the club refuses to take up the offer of extra away allocation just in case they don't sell them all!! Someone needs to sort it out down at Villa Park. And thats just a couple in a long line of bad decisions taken by the people in charge of OUR football club.
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I doubt if there's ever been a group of supporters that have had so much time and effort devoted to them in proportion to their numbers as Brigada. Yes, full credit to them for their displays but they make up about 0.1% of the crowd and 99% don't seem bothered whether they exist or not. The club's attitude to them has hardly any effect on the overall atmosphere.
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I can understand both sides of the argument regarding Brigada and fair play to them for what they have tried to do over the past couple of seasons. Looking at the here and now, what is obvious is that we need our home performances to form the basis of our fightback and in order to do that the Club should be getting its marketing people to liaise with the Trust in order to get some initiative going. We're five points from safety and we're in November, it's far too early for soul-sapping gallows humour and writing ourselves off. Every single remaining home match is crucial and all four stands at Villa Park have a part to play in getting the points. Likewise, we need to be looking at taking as many away as possible, which means the Club needs to look at laying on more free travel. If we can time such an initiative with a smart, ambitious transfer window we can definitely lift ourselves up the table.
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I agree with the away travel, but I've always believed that you can't manufacture atmosphere.
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Take it Goldie you don't rate our chances of staying up.
I know its a lot of ifs and buts but take the Leicester game should have seen out, Swansea at home - okay got battered last 15 mins but generally as good or poor as them. Those 6 points would have had our heads out of the water. Just hope we can blow the necessary bubbles whilst our heads are in the lake.
Seeing how we aren't massively behind points wise, right now I still think we can survive.
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As long as the sides above that are direct opponents in the relegation battle keep operating at our level we have every chance of staying up. Newcastle losing 3-0 at home was a disaster for them. They are praying nobody below them picks up any points. The current cushion to the relegation isn't exactly comforting to them either.
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My silver cloud is that i will be cancelling the rubbish site that is Foxtel and saving myself over one thousand dollars a year. i got out of bed to watch the game and forced myself to sit it out til the end in sympathy with the away support. We are far too lightweight across the park, Gil tries his heart out as does Hutton yes i know he is limited but ten out of ten for effort. Grealish would be fine with better players around him. Did most of us get it wrong thinking that the squad was better than it is?
i didn't and got the usual on here with just about everybody disagreeing with me.
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I agree with the away travel, but I've always believed that you can't manufacture atmosphere.
Yes, I agree that atmosphere can't be manufactured and I wouldn't want the club to go down some empty, cringe inducing exercise of lifting morale. As I say, maybe the Trust could suggest some ideas to the Club. Off the top of my head, it could be something as simple as getting some live music in before kick off or recording a new video to be played before a match starts - anything to subtly change the mindset of everyone supporting Villa. It could even be something as simple as Fox or Lerner taking their heads out of the sand and communicating a positive message every now and again.
What I sincerely hope is that the Boardroom don't think Remi can do this all on his own. We have a very promising new manager but that alone is not enough, there has to be whole club initiative and belief that we can do this.
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I don't know for certain, but I believe TeeEff has decided that the Trust won't be his mates for a bit.
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The last thing we need now is more divisions. We need a statement of unity and direction.
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I don't know for certain, but I believe TeeEff has decided that the Trust won't be his mates for a bit.
If that's the case, what a state of affairs.
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The last thing we need now is more divisions. We need a statement of unity and direction.
Exactly. In turn, build some positivity and momentum, time it all right so that new recruitments hit the ground running in January.
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Operation Noise round two is something the Trust spoke with the club about a few weeks back. We were told it "isn't conducive to consider until January given the issues on the pitch".
Not all doom and gloom on relations with the club. Tom will be attending the grave rededication tomorrow unless something has changed today.
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Watford drew at Everton. Oh, dear.
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Take the full allocation on away days every/most times and subsidize the tickets to £20 a go.
Maybe even cheaper travel to long distance games
Yes it will cost a few quid but we would mostly get a full away section of support every other week,
bearing in mind we pay N'zog something in the region of 50-65k a week, this would at least be money better spent
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A lot of Everton fans are saying it's the worst Villa team they've seen in the Premier League era, we're one of the worst teams they've seen there and we're worse than Sunderland. Sums up just how crap we are.
Who are we actually going to beat? Even Watford at home next week I'm not looking at it thinking we'll win that, to be honest I think we'll lose as the pressure on us will be massive.
We've got less points than Derby had at this stage of their 11 point season. Just wow.
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I think we shouldn't bother turning up and just hand the hornets the three points now.
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I think we shouldn't bother turning up and just hand the hornets the three points now.
Yes, clearly we are going to lose all our remaining fixtures. The only decent thing to do is withdraw from the league.
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Take the full allocation on away days every/most times and subsidize the tickets to £20 a go.
Maybe even cheaper travel to long distance games
Yes it will cost a few quid but we would mostly get a full away section of support every other week,
bearing in mind we pay N'zog something in the region of 50-65k a week, this would at least be money better spent
I'm not sure it would quite work like that, as nice an idea as it sounds. Besides, people who come on here posting crap like 'Tom Fox don't want us there' forget about the free coach places.
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Take the full allocation on away days every/most times and subsidize the tickets to £20 a go.
Maybe even cheaper travel to long distance games
Yes it will cost a few quid but we would mostly get a full away section of support every other week,
bearing in mind we pay N'zog something in the region of 50-65k a week, this would at least be money better spent
I'm not sure it would quite work like that, as nice an idea as it sounds. Besides, people who come on here posting crap like 'Tom Fox don't want us there' forget about the free coach places.
I didn't say anything about Tom a Fox,
I'm just looking for a way to get full support at away games
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Take the full allocation on away days every/most times and subsidize the tickets to £20 a go.
Maybe even cheaper travel to long distance games
Yes it will cost a few quid but we would mostly get a full away section of support every other week,
bearing in mind we pay N'zog something in the region of 50-65k a week, this would at least be money better spent
I'm not sure it would quite work like that, as nice an idea as it sounds. Besides, people who come on here posting crap like 'Tom Fox don't want us there' forget about the free coach places.
I didn't say anything about Tom a Fox,
I'm just looking for a way to get full support at away games
I didn't say you did, but some people have.
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Take the full allocation on away days every/most times and subsidize the tickets to £20 a go.
Maybe even cheaper travel to long distance games
Yes it will cost a few quid but we would mostly get a full away section of support every other week,
bearing in mind we pay N'zog something in the region of 50-65k a week, this would at least be money better spent
I'm not sure it would quite work like that, as nice an idea as it sounds. Besides, people who come on here posting crap like 'Tom Fox don't want us there' forget about the free coach places.
I didn't say anything about Tom a Fox,
I'm just looking for a way to get full support at away games
I didn't say you did, but some people have.
Oh right
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I'm ashamed to admit that In my 25 years of going, I walked out of Goodison After 55 minutes yesterday. I was disgusted of the gutless performance. I've never ever done that.
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Take the full allocation on away days every/most times and subsidize the tickets to £20 a go.
Maybe even cheaper travel to long distance games
Yes it will cost a few quid but we would mostly get a full away section of support every other week,
bearing in mind we pay N'zog something in the region of 50-65k a week, this would at least be money better spent
I'm not sure it would quite work like that, as nice an idea as it sounds. Besides, people who come on here posting crap like 'Tom Fox don't want us there' forget about the free coach places.
The free coaches come from the PL fund anyway, so let's not praise Tom Fox too highly for being philanthropic.
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Drove up and arrived in Liverpool at 2, into the ground for 2:45 and left after 80 minutes to beat the traffic
Briefest away game ever
Running out of the ground and hightailing it off down the motorway is definitely the best way to deal with Aston Villa performances lately
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Take the full allocation on away days every/most times and subsidize the tickets to £20 a go.
Maybe even cheaper travel to long distance games
Yes it will cost a few quid but we would mostly get a full away section of support every other week,
bearing in mind we pay N'zog something in the region of 50-65k a week, this would at least be money better spent
I'm not sure it would quite work like that, as nice an idea as it sounds. Besides, people who come on here posting crap like 'Tom Fox don't want us there' forget about the free coach places.
The free coaches come from the PL fund anyway, so let's not praise Tom Fox too highly for being philanthropic.
Only up to a certain amount. Free for every game would be way over that.
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Take the full allocation on away days every/most times and subsidize the tickets to £20 a go.
Maybe even cheaper travel to long distance games
Yes it will cost a few quid but we would mostly get a full away section of support every other week,
bearing in mind we pay N'zog something in the region of 50-65k a week, this would at least be money better spent
I was talking to a Watford fan at work last week and he was moaning that he had to pay £36 quid for his ticket next week. He said that Watford have an agreement with a few clubs in the league whereby they each charge £20 for away fans but Villa didn't agree to the deal. No idea if this is the case but it's a bit miserable of us if true.
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As an aside, I have to give credit to Brian Little who found a positive in every dire circumstance yesterday.
That's because Sir Brian Little is a Villa legend. And he can walk on water.
He can too. I love Sir Brian (haven't told the wife yet).
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As an aside, I have to give credit to Brian Little who found a positive in every dire circumstance yesterday.
That's because Sir Brian Little is a Villa legend. And he can walk on water.
He can too. I love Sir Brian (haven't told the wife yet).
His or yours?
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Surely we have a youth team player who Is more competent than the appalling Richardson?
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Who do you all fancy as the next manager?
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Take the full allocation on away days every/most times and subsidize the tickets to £20 a go.
Maybe even cheaper travel to long distance games
Yes it will cost a few quid but we would mostly get a full away section of support every other week,
bearing in mind we pay N'zog something in the region of 50-65k a week, this would at least be money better spent
I was talking to a Watford fan at work last week and he was moaning that he had to pay £36 quid for his ticket next week. He said that Watford have an agreement with a few clubs in the league whereby they each charge £20 for away fans but Villa didn't agree to the deal. No idea if this is the case but it's a bit miserable of us if true.
Villa normally have this agreement with Swansea and maybe Sunderland. I assume they go for the more distant games, Watford isn't one of them.
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Who do you all fancy as the next manager?
Remi Garde.
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who?
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My initial feeling on Remi is he is exactly the right manager at the wrong time if that makes sense. Really hope he can turn it round.
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I'm cheering myself up by listening to Sunn O))).
Drone metal is far more uplifting that watching us at the moment.
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As bad as it was, there might still be some positives.
1) Everton was the favourite to come away with all 3 points. The manner of how that come about wasn't fun to watch but its still as the expected outcome.
2) Remi might have evaluated a few players, Westwood being one. Doubt he be as thick about it was the Lambert and Sherwood and just drop them for the next one.
3) The sense of urgency for Watford at home will increase as a consequence of the Everton game. That game is so vital for any chance to turning this season around.
The biggest problem must surely be how to defend on our left side. The Amavi injury was such a kick in the nuts when the backup for him is Richardson. Putting Nzogbia in front of him doesn't help things and Grealish isn't much better at helping defending. Cant see any solutions there. Bacuna and Sinclair might work in some games but that's a long way from solid.
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I think we shouldn't bother turning up and just hand the hornets the three points now.
but we might win
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Take the full allocation on away days every/most times and subsidize the tickets to £20 a go.
Maybe even cheaper travel to long distance games
Yes it will cost a few quid but we would mostly get a full away section of support every other week,
bearing in mind we pay N'zog something in the region of 50-65k a week, this would at least be money better spent
I'm not sure it would quite work like that, as nice an idea as it sounds. Besides, people who come on here posting crap like 'Tom Fox don't want us there' forget about the free coach places.
they only do 5 free coaches for certain away matches ,,,,,,,,everton wasnt one of them
when i bought my southampton away ticket the other day i said to the bloke ,,,,,,,,,,any chance of a free coach mate
he said yes but you have to buy your own coat ,,lol only joking
he actually said there were only 5 free coaches so the answer was no you have to pay full wack
but to be honest i didnt want official travel anyway ,,,,,althought i would have accepted it if someone twisted my arm
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we might have won at goodison park if they had showed they wanted us there by taking the bigger allocation
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Surely we have a youth team player who Is more competent than the appalling Richardson?
I don't think we have any great prospects at U21 or youth level.
Also, in reports and the football league highlights, other clubs' promising loanees are often mentioned in despatches , but not ours, unless you include Bennett, Baker, Cissokho. Another indictment of where we are.
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Surely we have a youth team player who Is more competent than the appalling Richardson?
I don't think we have any great prospects at U21 or youth level.
Also, in reports and the football league highlights, other clubs' promising loanees are often mentioned in despatches , but not ours, unless you include Bennett, Baker, Cissokho. Another indictment of where we are.
there is lewis kinsella and easah sulliman
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I've just taken a look and Kinsella is 21 and has played 3 professional matches. Why the fuck hasn't he be sent out on loan anywhere before?
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Take the full allocation on away days every/most times and subsidize the tickets to £20 a go.
Maybe even cheaper travel to long distance games
Yes it will cost a few quid but we would mostly get a full away section of support every other week,
bearing in mind we pay N'zog something in the region of 50-65k a week, this would at least be money better spent
I'm not sure it would quite work like that, as nice an idea as it sounds. Besides, people who come on here posting crap like 'Tom Fox don't want us there' forget about the free coach places.
they only do 5 free coaches for certain away matches ,,,,,,,,everton wasnt one of them
when i bought my southampton away ticket the other day i said to the bloke ,,,,,,,,,,any chance of a free coach mate
he said yes but you have to buy your own coat ,,lol only joking
he actually said there were only 5 free coaches so the answer was no you have to pay full wack
but to be honest i didnt want official travel anyway ,,,,,althought i would have accepted it if someone twisted my arm
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we might have won at goodison park if they had showed they wanted us there by taking the bigger allocation
Taking a bigger allocation on saturday wouldn't have made too much difference really. We were beaten by the better team.
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Take the full allocation on away days every/most times and subsidize the tickets to £20 a go.
Maybe even cheaper travel to long distance games
Yes it will cost a few quid but we would mostly get a full away section of support every other week,
bearing in mind we pay N'zog something in the region of 50-65k a week, this would at least be money better spent
I was talking to a Watford fan at work last week and he was moaning that he had to pay £36 quid for his ticket next week. He said that Watford have an agreement with a few clubs in the league whereby they each charge £20 for away fans but Villa didn't agree to the deal. No idea if this is the case but it's a bit miserable of us if true.
Villa normally have this agreement with Swansea and maybe Sunderland. I assume they go for the more distant games, Watford isn't one of them.
strange Villa wouldn't agree to it, as you'd think we'd have more to gain from the deal as I'm guessing we'd probably take double the number of supporters to Vicarage Rd (3k?) than they'd bring to VP (1500 max?).
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Garde set up of team led the Everton players to dominate. Granted first 10mins or so shows some defence and organization. However the first goal outlined the problems mainly left side and the clear lack of attacking threat.
In the line up and the first two goals Richardson was exposed due to greaseish not tracking his man. Gill for the first goal didn't track back . The problem with playing those two wide was the discipline in doing defences duties. Coupled this with fact they both showed little attacking threat then it was nt a good performance by either.
In the next game perhaps hutton can go over to left back and bacuna in at right.
I think Richardson showed some fight going forward but was struggling defensively.
Hutton is constantly the main attacking threat and if bacuna can play right back will have better final delivery.
Westwood was either not fit or totally lacking as was off pace and really soft at times.
Veretoot came alive second half but was merely bullish as was ayew who showed most but wants to do it all by self.
I did like ayew desire but his lack of team play was a concern.
Lets hope improvements can come as Everton were outstanding and would have beaten anyone yesterday.
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Westwood didn't track either. Two midfield runners get in behind and both are waiting for a tap in.
The system against Man City in the midfield was Sanchez, with Gana and Veretout able to press either side. With Westwood in there, it looked more like a flat three and without the outlet ball, they were pressed back and smothered.
There is probably little we can do about Richardson being in the side for the time being, but we should help him by having Sinclair in front on the left. There is plenty we can do about not having a 4th division player like Westwood anywhere near our midfield.
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Daft thing is I read a report in one paper that said Remi needs to sort midfield out to support Ashley Westwood as he was playing them on his own!! What do these Journos see?
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If Ashley Westwood was on Mastermind, then his specialist subject would be the heels of football boots, as that is all the pointy little twat ever sees.
Track your fucking man you feeble little shithouse!
I lost my cool there, as the memory of his inability to track a runner was amplified by another floaty shit corner he put in on Saturday second half.
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Daft thing is I read a report in one paper that said Remi needs to sort midfield out to support Ashley Westwood as he was playing them on his own!! What do these Journos see?
Wasn't Adrian Durham was it? He seems to have this theory that Westwood should be in the England reckoning.
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Daft thing is I read a report in one paper that said Remi needs to sort midfield out to support Ashley Westwood as he was playing them on his own!! What do these Journos see?
I saw that and nearly choked on my Golden Graham's.
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Daft thing is I read a report in one paper that said Remi needs to sort midfield out to support Ashley Westwood as he was playing them on his own!! What do these Journos see?
Wasn't Adrian Durham was it? He seems to have this theory that Westwood should be in the England reckoning.
That possibly tells you more about England than it does about Ashley Westwood.
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At least Vertout and Gana matched his performance.
I hope this is a lesson that has been learnt by Garde.
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It's only stats and they don't tell the full picture but Veretout gave the ball away 5 times on Saturday compared to Westwoods 14. Somehow he's mugging a living as a premiership footballer, he should still be at Crewe, terrible player.
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If Ashley Westwood was on Mastermind, then his specialist subject would be the heels of football boots, as that is all the pointy little twat ever sees.
Track your fucking man you feeble little shithouse!
I lost my cool there, as the memory of his inability to track a runner was amplified by another floaty shit corner he put in on Saturday second half.
I'd argue his specialist subject should be pointing. He's great at that. He always sees things, then points at it. Doesn't ever do anything about it, but he has great pointing skills.
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If Ashley Westwood was on Mastermind, then his specialist subject would be the heels of football boots, as that is all the pointy little twat ever sees.
Track your fucking man you feeble little shithouse!
I lost my cool there, as the memory of his inability to track a runner was amplified by another floaty shit corner he put in on Saturday second half.
I'd argue his specialist subject should be pointing. He's great at that. He always sees things, then points at it. Doesn't ever do anything about it, but he has great pointing skills.
I agree with pointing, it's one thing he has been consistently good at.
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It's only stats and they don't tell the full picture but Veretout gave the ball away 5 times on Saturday compared to Westwoods 14. Somehow he's mugging a living as a premiership footballer, he should still be at Crewe, terrible player.
I certainly don't hink it's a co-incidence that the improvement seen against Man City evaporated with him coming back into the side.
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It's only stats and they don't tell the full picture but Veretout gave the ball away 5 times on Saturday compared to Westwoods 14. Somehow he's mugging a living as a premiership footballer, he should still be at Crewe, terrible player.
I certainly don't hink it's a co-incidence that the improvement seen against Man City evaporated with him coming back into the side.
It might be part of it, but the Richardson and Grealish combo was mainly responsible. Richardson just is nowhere near good enough and Grealish offered him zero help, in combination they were a disaster.
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If Ashley Westwood was on Mastermind, then his specialist subject would be the heels of football boots, as that is all the pointy little twat ever sees.
Track your fucking man you feeble little shithouse!
I lost my cool there, as the memory of his inability to track a runner was amplified by another floaty shit corner he put in on Saturday second half.
I'd argue his specialist subject should be pointing. He's great at that. He always sees things, then points at it. Doesn't ever do anything about it, but he has great pointing skills.
I agree with pointing, it's one thing he has been consistently good at.
Neither of those posts should be funny but I am sat here laughing like a silly pratt at them....Pointing. funny.
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Garde has admitted we were lightweight without Sanchez but he'd travelled a lot and was 'tired'.
For fs sake does not anyone see we are in the almighty crap here?
I'd have told him to go out and play, have two days off to get over his ''tiredness' and maybe we wouldn't have shipped the early goal that killed us and may have sent us down!
Embarrassing to be a Villa fan.
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Garde has admitted we were lightweight without Sanchez but he'd travelled a lot and was 'tired'.
For fs sake does not anyone see we are in the almighty crap here?
I'd have told him to go out and play, have two days off to get over his ''tiredness' and maybe we wouldn't have shipped the early goal that killed us and may have sent us down!
Embarrassing to be a Villa fan.
The only time I've fallen asleep in a bar, was the Glenmore in the Rocks off Argyle street in the following evening after we'd landed after a 22 hour flight. I'd had a 6 hour sleep between 6 and 12 noon on the day and then a full night thereafter. I'd even flown business [because I'm a flash twat. Didn't got in First because I'm not a c*** ]. I was micro-sleeping in the taxi from Bondi back to the hotel and even after the shit, shower and change for the night out I was knackered by 9pm.
I'm not sure I'd have been up for competitive sport, unless that sport was playing Gin face of course.
Somehow I don't think disturbances to your circadian rhythm is anything to do with the Villa.
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Take the full allocation on away days every/most times and subsidize the tickets to £20 a go.
Maybe even cheaper travel to long distance games
Yes it will cost a few quid but we would mostly get a full away section of support every other week,
bearing in mind we pay N'zog something in the region of 50-65k a week, this would at least be money better spent
I'm not sure it would quite work like that, as nice an idea as it sounds. Besides, people who come on here posting crap like 'Tom Fox don't want us there' forget about the free coach places.
they only do 5 free coaches for certain away matches ,,,,,,,,everton wasnt one of them
when i bought my southampton away ticket the other day i said to the bloke ,,,,,,,,,,any chance of a free coach mate
he said yes but you have to buy your own coat ,,lol only joking
he actually said there were only 5 free coaches so the answer was no you have to pay full wack
but to be honest i didnt want official travel anyway ,,,,,althought i would have accepted it if someone twisted my arm
ps
we might have won at goodison park if they had showed they wanted us there by taking the bigger allocation
Taking a bigger allocation on saturday wouldn't have made too much difference really. We were beaten by the better team.
i knew you would reply ,,,,,,,,but yes your right ,,,,,,we was
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Danny Murphy hit the nail on the head on talk shite this morning. When you get your best result of the season and keep a clean sheet against premier league contenders why make 4 changes? 1 was forced through injury but the others wasn't. Worrying lack of desire and no sign of the "new manager bounce" worrying times to be a villa fan.
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Danny Murphy hit the nail on the head on talk shite this morning. When you get your best result of the season and keep a clean sheet against premier league contenders why make 4 changes? 1 was forced through injury but the others wasn't. Worrying lack of desire and no sign of the "new manager bounce" worrying times to be a villa fan.
I've just read Sanchez didn't play cos he was tired. Oh please!! A pampered footballer travels 1st class everywhere while someone else does all the work Is "too tired" to do the job he's paid to do. Fucking pathetic.
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What in the name of Thor has flying first class got to do with it?
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it's comfier so even less of an excuse?
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I am booked in to first class for a train from Glasgow to Brum. It doesn't mean it isn't still a tiring 4.5 hour skit back just because I have more leg room.
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I suspect the Villa staff can work out whether Sanchez is fit to play or not. The money he earns; the tickets he got for his travel; whether he moisturises; what food he eats really doesn't matter.
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But if your legs aren't up to it, and you haven't slept well enough and are jet-lagged, then it doesn't matter whether you've been on a sofa or a crappy economy seat - you're not right to start the match. Do people think Remi took this decision because he thought poor ickle Carlos wasn't up to it, poor babby? He's a professional sportsman, and if he's not quite physically up to it then there's no way around it.
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If Remi is looking to assess the good the bad fe the ugly then his job was made infinitely more simple on Saturday. Start with Randy monsuier Garde.
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Let's face it Sanchez is fcuked after an hour anyway so god knows what travelling half the world would have done for him. I still would have started him ahead of that absolute waste of oxygen Westwood however.
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Danny Murphy hit the nail on the head on talk shite this morning. When you get your best result of the season and keep a clean sheet against premier league contenders why make 4 changes? 1 was forced through injury but the others wasn't. Worrying lack of desire and no sign of the "new manager bounce" worrying times to be a villa fan.
There were three changes, not four, and by the sounds of it, only one of those (Grealish for Sinclair) was purely tactical.
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What in the name of Thor has flying first class got to do with it?
Well it comes with all the leg room and other pampering 1st class provides.Not exactly tiring is it? There were loads of other players who travelled round the globe and still managed to play. I think it's a pathetic excuse but plenty on here seem to disagree. Each to his own I guess.
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Danny Murphy hit the nail on the head on talk shite this morning. When you get your best result of the season and keep a clean sheet against premier league contenders why make 4 changes? 1 was forced through injury but the others wasn't. Worrying lack of desire and no sign of the "new manager bounce" worrying times to be a villa fan.
I've just read Sanchez didn't play cos he was tired. Oh please!! A pampered footballer travels 1st class everywhere while someone else does all the work Is "too tired" to do the job he's paid to do. Fucking pathetic.
That's wins most ill thought out post of the day.
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I am booked in to first class for a train from Glasgow to Brum. It doesn't mean it isn't still a tiring 4.5 hour skit back just because I have more leg room.
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Well we're all different aren't we. I work in construction and have made many 6/7 hour trips in the back of a van to places like Scotland. When we get there its straight to graft no messing. So I seem to be seeing this from a different perspective to other people on here.
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Danny Murphy hit the nail on the head on talk shite this morning. When you get your best result of the season and keep a clean sheet against premier league contenders why make 4 changes? 1 was forced through injury but the others wasn't. Worrying lack of desire and no sign of the "new manager bounce" worrying times to be a villa fan.
I've just read Sanchez didn't play cos he was tired. Oh please!! A pampered footballer travels 1st class everywhere while someone else does all the work Is "too tired" to do the job he's paid to do. Fucking pathetic.
That's wins most ill thought out post of the day.
Thanks. My excuse is I'm a bit tired after a 3 hour journey in the van Sorry I'll try harder next time.
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I stand by what I said. It's a fucking pathetic excuse "I'm too tired boss"
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Danny Murphy hit the nail on the head on talk shite this morning. When you get your best result of the season and keep a clean sheet against premier league contenders why make 4 changes? 1 was forced through injury but the others wasn't. Worrying lack of desire and no sign of the "new manager bounce" worrying times to be a villa fan.
I've just read Sanchez didn't play cos he was tired. Oh please!! A pampered footballer travels 1st class everywhere while someone else does all the work Is "too tired" to do the job he's paid to do. Fucking pathetic.
That's wins most ill thought out post of the day.
Thanks. My excuse is I'm a bit tired after a 3 hour journey in the van Sorry I'll try harder next time.
Sanchez's excuse was a 28 (maybe less) hour round flight with 90 minutes football in between, then landing back in the country on Thursday then travelling to Liverpool and he still played 45 minutes. Still, at least he had some leg room on the plane.
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Our best two players saturday were only on the pitch for 5 mins McNaught and Morley.
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Danny Murphy hit the nail on the head on talk shite this morning. When you get your best result of the season and keep a clean sheet against premier league contenders why make 4 changes? 1 was forced through injury but the others wasn't. Worrying lack of desire and no sign of the "new manager bounce" worrying times to be a villa fan.
I've just read Sanchez didn't play cos he was tired. Oh please!! A pampered footballer travels 1st class everywhere while someone else does all the work Is "too tired" to do the job he's paid to do. Fucking pathetic.
That's wins most ill thought out post of the day.
Thanks. My excuse is I'm a bit tired after a 3 hour journey in the van Sorry I'll try harder next time.
Sanchez's excuse was a 28 (maybe less) hour round flight with 90 minutes football in between, then landing back in the country on Thursday then travelling to Liverpool and he still played 45 minutes. Still, at least he had some leg room on the plane.
I take it all back. He's a god damn fuckin hero.
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I am booked in to first class for a train from Glasgow to Brum. It doesn't mean it isn't still a tiring 4.5 hour skit back just because I have more leg room.
Well we're all different aren't we. I work in construction and have made many 6/7 hour trips in the back of a van to places like Scotland. When we get there its straight to graft no messing. So I seem to be seeing this from a different perspective to other people on here.
Inverness and back inside 24 hours in a Sprinter that couldn't get the seat back quite far enough, with graft in the middle. Did it, but was well fooked for about 36 hours afterwards. Flying to South America and back, playing Argentina, eastwards jetlag, I can imagine the results would be similar. A price to pay for casting the net wider and signing international players.
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Shame South America doesn't play on Tuesday night to benefits european based players.
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Danny Murphy hit the nail on the head on talk shite this morning. When you get your best result of the season and keep a clean sheet against premier league contenders why make 4 changes? 1 was forced through injury but the others wasn't. Worrying lack of desire and no sign of the "new manager bounce" worrying times to be a villa fan.
I've just read Sanchez didn't play cos he was tired. Oh please!! A pampered footballer travels 1st class everywhere while someone else does all the work Is "too tired" to do the job he's paid to do. Fucking pathetic.
That's wins most ill thought out post of the day.
Thanks. My excuse is I'm a bit tired after a 3 hour journey in the van Sorry I'll try harder next time.
Sanchez's excuse was a 28 (maybe less) hour round flight with 90 minutes football in between, then landing back in the country on Thursday then travelling to Liverpool and he still played 45 minutes. Still, at least he had some leg room on the plane.
I take it all back. He's a god damn fuckin hero.
By way of analogy, try this then.
You have spent 8 hours in the back of a van with the wheel arch seen as the height of comfort. Accompanied by nothing but 3 labourers, a mountain of tools and the leftover carpet from The Gaffers claim for paint damage in his lounge.
You arrive in Scotland for a tough job that should last a week if you hit it hard.
On day one, you anticipate hitting the hod or shovelling sand into a cement mixer for some time. After the journey you won't be at your best but will do the job. Come the 5th day that week you are really struggling to get out of bed and are working at half pace from when you started.
Or would you prefer.....
Get to Scotland and be told you aren't working tonight . The deadline is the same but, tonight, to put you in the right frame of mind, you get 5 pints, the large mixed grill and an extra night in the Premier Inn.
You can't get pissed. You start early tomorrow and have a few tough days ahead.
More likely to stick extra bricks in the hod on days 6-7 when everyone is up against it?
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Has anyone collated any evidence to suggest teams with greater French or Belgian connections faired worse over this weekend gone?
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Danny Murphy hit the nail on the head on talk shite this morning. When you get your best result of the season and keep a clean sheet against premier league contenders why make 4 changes? 1 was forced through injury but the others wasn't. Worrying lack of desire and no sign of the "new manager bounce" worrying times to be a villa fan.
I've just read Sanchez didn't play cos he was tired. Oh please!! A pampered footballer travels 1st class everywhere while someone else does all the work Is "too tired" to do the job he's paid to do. Fucking pathetic.
That's wins most ill thought out post of the day.
Thanks. My excuse is I'm a bit tired after a 3 hour journey in the van Sorry I'll try harder next time.
Sanchez's excuse was a 28 (maybe less) hour round flight with 90 minutes football in between, then landing back in the country on Thursday then travelling to Liverpool and he still played 45 minutes. Still, at least he had some leg room on the plane.
I take it all back. He's a god damn fuckin hero.
By way of analogy, try this then.
You have spent 8 hours in the back of a van with the wheel arch seen as the height of comfort. Accompanied by nothing but 3 labourers, a mountain of tools and the leftover carpet from The Gaffers claim for paint damage in his lounge.
You arrive in Scotland for a tough job that should last a week if you hit it hard.
On day one, you anticipate hitting the hod or shovelling sand into a cement mixer for some time. After the journey you won't be at your best but will do the job. Come the 5th day that week you are really struggling to get out of bed and are working at half pace from when you started.
Or would you prefer.....
Get to Scotland and be told you aren't working tonight . The deadline is the same but, tonight, to put you in the right frame of mind, you get 5 pints, the large mixed grill and an extra night in the Premier Inn.
You can't get pissed. You start early tomorrow and have a few tough days ahead.
More likely to stick extra bricks in the hod on days 6-7 when everyone is up against it?
Then there's this analogy. Several players who played in the very same game as Sanchez played for their club sides in England and Europe.
Including one Ramiro Funes who played
against us for Everton.
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Ignore everything I point to then. For a more base argument, Sanchez didn't pick the team and didn't declare himself unavailable.
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I might be stupid but I didn't think Carlos Sanchez played midweek for Colombia or was even in the matchday squad? So isn't/wasn't he injured.
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Ignore everything I point to then. For a more base argument, Sanchez didn't pick the team and didn't declare himself unavailable.
Fair enough.I was only responding to someone earlier who claimed that he was on the bench due to tiredness. I said that I thought that was "fuckin pathetic" and I still do.
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I doubt very much he would have asked not to play. The decision would have been made to leave him out.
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Ignore everything I point to then. For a more base argument, Sanchez didn't pick the team and didn't declare himself unavailable.
Fair enough.I was only responding to someone earlier who claimed that he was on the bench due to tiredness. I said that I thought that was "fuckin pathetic" and I still do.
Grade says he was in the bench due to tiredness, so we don't know where that came from. He might have said it, or his tiredness may have been observed.
Whilst I know labouring is very physically demanding, a dropped brick doesn't generally cause 1800 people to scream abuse at you, or potentially cost your employer millions of £££s, so these decisions are made on the basis that his tiredness was judged to leave him less able to do the job effectively for the full shift than others who are equally paid to step in and do the job.
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Maybe garde dropped him because he is shite!! And just said he's tired!
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Ignore everything I point to then. For a more base argument, Sanchez didn't pick the team and didn't declare himself unavailable.
Fair enough.I was only responding to someone earlier who claimed that he was on the bench due to tiredness. I said that I thought that was "fuckin pathetic" and I still do.
Grade says he was in the bench due to tiredness, so we don't know where that came from. He might have said it, or his tiredness may have been observed.
Whilst I know labouring is very physically demanding, a dropped brick doesn't generally cause 1800 people to scream abuse at you, or potentially cost your employer millions of £££s, so these decisions are made on the basis that his tiredness was judged to leave him less able to do the job effectively for the full shift than others who are equally paid to step in and do the job.
What's bugging me the most is this. We are in a desperate fight for our very survival. It's a time for all hands to the pumps. We need heroes. Players everywhere managed to play for their clubs after the internationals. We're told he was too tired. If he was injured fair enough.But being tired? Sorry I don't buy that. It's not what the hard working fans who spend their hard earned cash want to hear.
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If he'd have played the full game and we'd still lost it, Garde might have been criticised for playing someone who'd traveled half way across the world and only landed back in the country 48 hours earlier. I thought he made the right call personally.The one's to have a pop at are the blokes out on the pitch who didn't show up.
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The problem isn't Sanchez being tired, the problem is Ashley fcukin Westwood as his replacement. The problem is Jordan Amavi being injured because Kieron 'played at smethwick' 7 years ago Richardson is his replacement.
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I might be stupid but I didn't think Carlos Sanchez played midweek for Colombia or was even in the matchday squad? So isn't/wasn't he injured.
I think he was suspended for their second game. No idea why he stayed over there instead of coming back to train with the squad.