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Heroes & Villains => Villa Memories => Topic started by: castlefields_villan on November 06, 2015, 01:00:41 PM
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Villa 3, Man Utd 2
One of the many, many classic games from that 1976-77 season. Am I right in thinking
they went one up (Pearson ?), Dennis Mortimer drove in a right footer from about 25 yards to equalise - we went 2-1 straight from the 2nd half kick off, Gordon Hill equalised after the ball trickled over the line having hit both posts and Andy Gray scored the winner from Ray Graydon's cross (a goal that pops up on tv from time to time and was mentioned on a thread about Ray recently)
All that off the top my head - anyone else there that would care to share some memories ?
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I was definitely there but, sadly can't really help. Was that the game where Andy Gray flicked the V's to the Manure fans after scoring at the Holte End? Am I thinking of another game where perhaps he scored two? My memory is really turning to shit.
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this one Dave and Castlefields ?
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The Doc
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Good on yer Doc. I'll watch that later, she's dragging me out for a walk now. >:(
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Cheers for that Dr Butler - I'll watch that when I have time to give it my full attention, so it was obviously on MOTD that weekend - I don't remember watching again on MOTD - but as I was a single 19 year old lad at the time, no doubt, having gone to the game, I wouldn't not be going out on the town on a Saturday night - just re-inforces what I've said for years now - recorders and in particular digital tv recorders are just about the best invention ever - however did we do without them up until about 10 years ago ??
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keep an eye out for Terry Weir behind the Yanited goal first half banging his fists in frustration at a Villa near miss....:)
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The Doc
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Great video, thanks for posting Doc
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I was definitely there but, sadly can't really help. Was that the game where Andy Gray flicked the V's to the Manure fans after scoring at the Holte End? Am I thinking of another game where perhaps he scored two? My memory is really turning to shit.
I don't think it was that game. Possibly the season after.
That Villa team was the most exciting of any Villa team to watch in my lifetime, and that includes the League and European Cup team.
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I was definitely there but, sadly can't really help. Was that the game where Andy Gray flicked the V's to the Manure fans after scoring at the Holte End? Am I thinking of another game where perhaps he scored two? My memory is really turning to shit.
I don't think it was that game. Possibly the season after.
That Villa team was the most exciting of any Villa team to watch in my lifetime, and that includes the League and European Cup team.
this
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Had a tear in my eye watching that.
Must be the finest attacking villa team ever
Loved frank carrodus loved Alex Cropley even more
How I miss those days soooooooo much
Come on remi bring them back
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Just got around to watching. Two observations, first: Sad to see that two of our players from that match have passed on, namely Gordon Smith and John Robson and one from Manure, Brian Greenhoff. RIP to them all.
Secondly, and I thought about this before Motson mentioned it,* the state of the pitch. It got me thinking just how much better those good players would have been had they have had the benefit of playing on the surfaces that we have today?
I think this match was discussed on here earlier this year as I'd forgotten all about that penalty and I think I mentioned it.
Thanks for posting Doc.
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i think the didier 6 man u match was better
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in my opinion Frank and Alex could of easily played in todays game, and was there a finer crosser of a football than Ray ?
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The Doc
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I remember the game as if it was yesterday and I haven't had the time to watch the video yet!
United brought a massive support - they won the previous year at Villa Park and even back then we were not great against them on the pitch.
I loved John Robson - was never so sure about Gordon Smith. The other player who has cropped up in messages is Frank Carrodus - my grandparents lived across the road from the Barnes family and the arl fellow whenever we were visiting Manc land always mentioned him. A great work horse and a great foil for our other wide players.
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United brought a massive support - they won the previous year at Villa Park and even back then we were not great against them on the pitch.
We beat them 2-1 at home in 1975/76.
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Always had it in my head that we lost that one - don't know why.
Remember the return game though New Years Day at OT - got destroyed by Gordon Hill and Burridge showing his lack of height, possibly the day when Saunders knew we needed a decent keeper.
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Actually, they did beat us 2-1 at Villa Park in the League cup the previous season (Andy Gray scored his first goal for us) and we beat them by the same score at home in the league in front of over 50,000.
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this one Dave and Castlefields ?
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Thanks again for putting this on - I've not seen it for 39 years - although that winning goal has cropped up occasionally from time to time.
I'd completely forgotten we missed a penalty late on and was that a (very) very young Paul Mcgrath playing number 7 for them - he could only have been 17.
Listening to Andy Gray talking afterwards - it was clear where the team was going - what a shame it still needed a bit of tweaking before we won the league 4 years later - so many questions - was Swain a better right back than Gidman, were Withe and Shaw more dynamic than Gray and Little. Would Cowans have broke through if what happenned to Cropley have never happened ????? That 76-77 was probably the most exciting Villa team in my 49 years of supporting us and I always felt it such a shame we couldn't push on in 77-78 and needed another year to consolidate into the championship winning team. Andy clearly thought that the championship was within reasonable grasp. A great time to be watching The Villa.
I know Dalglish and Jordan were around in the late 70s but playing like he was then, how was Andy Gray left out of the Scotland team so often ??
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Chris McGrath the former Spurs player Castlefields...
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The Doc
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oh ok cheers for that.
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What seriously does annoy me (and this was only a few weeks later) is that there's no footage of the 5-1 against soon to be European champions Liverpool - who today would even know who Derek Hales was ????
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What seriously does annoy me (and this was only a few weeks later) is that there's no footage of the 5-1 against soon to be European champions Liverpool - who today would even know who Derek Hales was ????
sadly no footage, but not a bad match report.
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2548744,00.html
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The Doc
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I know Dalglish and Jordan were around in the late 70s but playing like he was then, how was Andy Gray left out of the Scotland team so often ??
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He received a lengthy ban for punching a Czech player in a defeat in Prague when he was at his peak and he also had a fair few injuries - genuine ones, not Ryan Giggs ones. I know he was only just over an injury but he really should have been taken to Argentina in 1978.
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Dr Butler
Cheers for that as well - I'll enjoy re-living that unbelievable night when I read the report - have I dreamt this or just after they scored to make it 4-1 and we promptly made restored the 4 goal lead (5-1) was that goal greeted by a stunned silence ??
I'll never forget driving home to Great Barr (with a portable radio on the back shelf !!) listening to BRMB - Robin Valk saying "just in case you haven't heard - Aston Villa have beaten Liverpool FIVE yes - FIVE -one. I believe he was a Villa man himself ?
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I'd forgotten about the lengthy ban for Scotland, but it's still beyond me how he wasn't even on the plane for the 1978 WC in Argentina (what a successful world cup they had in his absence !!) - even Rod Stewart mentioned him in his world cup single that was in the charts in the spring prior to the tournament.
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As stated, Utd brought a big following for that game, usual mix of Cockneys ,Midland Reds and the real ones from Manc land.
There had been a few skirmishes around New Street and in Town.
From a purely historical note and being a bit embarrassed, two double Dekker busses pulled up outside the bottom of Aston Park and opposite the Holte pub, one bus contained all of the steamers from the Hole in the wall and the other bus contained a load of mouthy twats who thought going to Villa Park was like going to ?? London. They were wrong.
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That Villa team was the most exciting of any Villa team to watch in my lifetime, and that includes the League and European Cup team.
I'd probably go along with that. Great, great days.
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That Villa team was the most exciting of any Villa team to watch in my lifetime, and that includes the League and European Cup team.
I'd probably go along with that. Great, great days.
Seconded and thirded
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As stated, Utd brought a big following for that game, usual mix of Cockneys ,Midland Reds and the real ones from Manc land.
There had been a few skirmishes around New Street and in Town.
From a purely historical note and being a bit embarrassed, two double Dekker busses pulled up outside the bottom of Aston Park and opposite the Holte pub, one bus contained all of the steamers from the Hole in the wall and the other bus contained a load of mouthy twats who thought going to Villa Park was like going to ?? London. They were wrong.
Dad wouldn't take me to that game, he said there would be trouble (I was 8 )
Brilliant game, thanks for posting