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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on October 28, 2015, 09:43:52 PM
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*Sigh*
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*shrug*
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looks at car crash, keeps moving past it.
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What a load of absolute shit. Absolute rubbish from K-Mac. I don’t think I would have come-up with that starting XI if you’d asked me to come-up with 100 different options. Less goal-threat than one of Lambert’s teams, no creativity and no realisation that neither Westwood or Sanchez are dynamic enough to play in anything other than a midfield 3, let alone TOGETHER in a 2. There were literally no positives from that (aside form possibly Crespo looking ok). I’m not even that bothered about the result. No game-time for Gil, Veretout, Traore or Okore. No sign of Kozak or Ilori. Absolute fucking garbage. I hope to God that we have a new manager in place by the weekend at the absolute latest and that K-Mac isn’t let within sniffing distance of the 1st team squad again.
I’m not entirely sure that wasn’t actually a wind-up tonight it was that bad.
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can anybody REALLY put their finger on it
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Wonder if it will ever end. Seeing that montage of JPA goals at the weekend made me pine for the real Villa to come back
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How do people still have the energy to get upset?
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It's a good thing that Kevin McDonald doesn't want the job by all accounts.
Ayew? Sinclair? Kozak? Traore? Grealish? Gil? Veretout?
Nah, Westwood and Bacuna on their own will be enough to support a couple of barely-strikers.
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They say every time you shuffle a pack of cards, the resulting sequence is likely to be totally unique in all history. Kudos to MacDonald, he's managed the same with a pack half that size.
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Only listened on WM. They said we looked organised at least, in formation. Seems Amavi was at fault for first goal and Hutton the second.
TBH I think this game sums up our season, we compete with teams but we're just not good enough at both ends of the pitch, to keep teams out and obviously score goals. And of course if you can't do either you're not going to win many games so tough task for the new manager especially with the opposition approaching.
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Same shit different day,played ok at times but never really looked like scoring. Dissapointed with the line up ayew needed to start and veretout needs to start playing instead of Westwood. Need a new manaager to sort this mess out ASAP.
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can anybody REALLY put their finger on it
Yes. We're shite.
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Thought i'd put this in the right thread.
Managed to watch the second half. Amavi should have done better in the lead up to their first goal, he seemed to bottle out of the challenge and after that you knew a second goal was coming. If he'd have been a bit braver with his starting line up, then who knows.
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We were ok without looking threatening.
We don't have great players, or that many good ones. But I've seen most of them do good things occasionally. I really think that a manager who manages to find the right system for the right players could keep us up but we need them to find that system pretty fucking quickly.
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Both sides were poor tonight but as i said in the match thread, the strikers were the difference tonight. They scored goals we are not capable of scoring.
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Both sides were poor tonight but as i said in the match thread, the strikers were the difference tonight. They scored goals we are not capable of scoring.
I thought that - it brought to mind something SGT said once a very long time ago about a defeat at ManUre before Ferguson started running the FA - 'We weren't out played, We were outscored'
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I knew it was a waste of time the minute I saw that side. I have no idea what he was thinking.
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It's a good thing that Kevin McDonald doesn't want the job by all accounts.
Ayew? Sinclair? Kozak? Traore? Grealish? Gil? Veretout?
Nah, Westwood and Bacuna on their own will be enough to support a couple of barely-strikers.
The more I think about it the angrier I get. That's probably the dullest, least inventive line-up I've seen since McLeish used Hutton and Heskey as wingers at Spurs on a Monday night. For me, K-Mac was in a 'no-lose' scenario tonight, and managed to lose. Badly.
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If we put a half ambitious side out tonight we could very well have won that. Instead it was so conservative. It's like a virus has infected the club and manager after manager is forced to play shit depressing football.
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So again we see the same players getting beat, as someone on the match thread said,
still think the problem was just the manager?
It obviously is not, these players are not very good.
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Imagine being one of those 3,000+ fans as they found out what shit soup of a side had been selected for the latest inevitable beating.
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I thought Clark could have got a hell of a lot closer to Pelle for the first goal, as well as the half hearted challenges. Crap team, poor result. I would have liked us to have really gone for it, knowing that Saints had picked a weakened side.
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Coming down to watch the side he picked tonight reminds me of White Hart Lane under McLiesh. I got pinged for speeding coming back, I hope history doesn't repeat itself.
They had a quality spine; we brought Westwood back and had Gabby and Gestede up top. With Bacuna and a full back shunted into midfield. Unreal.
A chance to get some confidence back and we abandon it. The first goal was criminal, the second little better.
All our creative options on the bench, some of our best players not even in the squad. Moronic from MacDonald.
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It's a good thing that Kevin McDonald doesn't want the job by all accounts.
Ayew? Sinclair? Kozak? Traore? Grealish? Gil? Veretout?
Nah, Westwood and Bacuna on their own will be enough to support a couple of barely-strikers.
The more I think about it the angrier I get. That's probably the dullest, least inventive line-up I've seen since McLeish used Hutton and Heskey as wingers at Spurs on a Monday night. For me, K-Mac was in a 'no-lose' scenario tonight, and managed to lose. Badly.
It was in that Ball Park
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Inevitable sadly. We badly need fresh ideas.
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If we put a half ambitious side out tonight we could very well have won that. Instead it was so conservative. It's like a virus has infected the club and manager after manager is forced to play shit depressing football.
That's the thing - in all seriousness I think that Sherwood would have put out a side that would have won that. If we really are now lumbered with McDonald for the next 3 games it's a monumental fuck-up by Fox et al. I was convinced by the timing of the sacking that a replacement was already in place, I should have known better than to assume any competence from the board.
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what was the point in spending any money in the summer if these people never get a chance to play! We need someone in sharpish with some progressive ideas - like playing your best team
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Probably best to lock this thread now as its not adding anything useful to the debate.
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Only just realised we actually scored a goal as I turned off the radio dead on 90 minutes.
Sinclair continuing his act of somehow ending this on 15 goals despite doing fcuk all.
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They just asked Kmac how he had to approach the job as a caretaker -"Try to enjoy myself" he said and "get the players to enjoy themselves" !!
. . . . not what I thought the job was.
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Disappointing from kmac. A great opportunity to make some exciting changes and he reverts to an average starting 11 all over the pitch. Frankly quite bizarre.
At least we have a weekend without having to endure this reoccurring nightmare, but I can't help feeling it's going to get a lot worse over the next few weeks regardless of who's in charge ...
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Only just realised we actually scored a goal as I turned off the radio dead on 90 minutes.
Sinclair continuing his act of somehow ending this on 15 goals despite doing fcuk all.
He wasn't any worse than anyone else.
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I don't know what our intentions are from the way we play. Hutton is our most consistent attacking threat, I can see what he's trying to do, he's technically limited but a good athlete and a willing runner. Gestede, as useless as he is in most aspects of his play, I get that he's here to do, nod in any aerial opportunities.
But in the rest of our play I don't know what the other players are trying to do. We seem to have loads of players who are much of a muchness players who are caught between being; defenders or midfielders, (bacuna, Richardson, amavi?) forwards who are neither wide or central, goalscorers or providers (gabby, Sinclair, ayew?) midfielders who neither sit well or get forward (Westwood, Sanchez, veretout?)
Whoever comes in needs to decide who does what and drill it into these fuckers, they aren't adaptable, they need to learn one specific job to the best of their limited abilities. Grealish, gana, and Gil have to be involved every game they can physically play in because they are our best quality players.
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We were ok without looking threatening.
We don't have great players, or that many good ones. But I've seen most of them do good things occasionally. I really think that a manager who manages to find the right system for the right players could keep us up but we need them to find tote system pretty fucking quickly.
Agreed, its clear that system isnt 442 and it really doesnt look like Rudy Gestede is going to work for us either.
Grealish confirmed tonight that on the left is where he needs to play but we need him further forward.
We simply have to play 4231, fair enough if we need to bring Gestede or a forward on but we need to work on 4231 and finding players to nail down their positions. Amavi should be left back but has played his way out of the side by jumping out of tackles consistently, until he man's up he should stay on the bench.
Thought our back four did well tonight but a midfield two of Sanchez/Westwood isnt mobile enough. Thought Westwood had a decent game mind. We had no threat up top all night, bar Grealish threatening on the left and Ayew's run at the end.
For Spurs
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Hutton, Richards, Clark, Richardson
---------Sanchez, Gueye-------
Gil/Traore, Veretout, Grealish
-------------Ayew--------------
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At least we have a weekend without having to endure this reoccurring nightmare
Monday is coming like a jail on wheels.
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When I was a kid I lived for the villa, I would have gave my life for the club
Over the last few years I didn't bother with a season ticket because I've been priced out of the game
If I needed a new shirt or coat or anything like that my first stop was the Villa shop because I wanted to show the badge as often as possible
These days I buy my shirts and coats from asda and I didn't even realise that the villa were playing until 1/2 hour before kick off and even then I didn't know who we were playing until we kicked off.
This isn't so much a statement on the villa but more football in general...I just don't care anymore, the big boys are the big boys and everyone else will get swallowed up without a second thought, I love the villa and always will, 13 season tickets and 4 trips to wembley (only winning one of them) and now I just don't really care.
I am lucky that I have found other hobbies/interests that can take up a hell of a lot of my thinking time, I have to admit though that without football my Saturday afternoons are extremely boring without football to hold my interest but I manage to get by.
Can I just take this moment to say thanks to the money men who have spoilt one of my passions
cheers thanks that is all
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I think everyone is just punch drunk nowadays.
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I know what you mean Batman, those moneymen are Robin bastards
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Westwood was his usual absent self. He is utter toss defensively and leaves us wide open time and time again. The way Southampton drifted off him was no surprise. He's garbage going forwards, no drive, the crabby little git. Get him back in the 4th division where he belongs.
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Like lots of others on here, have a lot of time for Kevin Mac.
However, I was very suprised at how cautious the selection was. We were probably the better side in the first half and I thought we could have maybe honest for it a bit more in the second. He had nothing to lose tonight, but it was a bad error of judgment.
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I know what you mean Batman, those moneymen are Robin bastards
Absolute Joker!
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I'd pick the same team brontebilly. I'd have picked it for the last few weeks but what do I know.
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Another dark knight for Villa fans.
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Actually I rather enjoyed how we played for most of the game. Harsh to lose that I thought.
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On the basis of that line up, we forgot to get rid of one extra staff member with Sherwood!
McLeish would have been ashamed to put out such a negative teamsheet. They played better than I expected, but hopefully whoever comes in wont pick such a rubbish lineup.
I honestly think there is a midtable team in there somewhere, just need to pick a reasonable formation an stick with it. Agree on the earlier post though, too many 'utility players' that are jack of all trade and master of none. We need to nail down responsibilities and stick with a lineup for a few weeks.
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I know what you mean Batman, those moneymen are Robin bastards
Absolute Joker!
I think we may have jumped the shark.
Hang on! That was Fonzie in Happy Days. Doh!
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This kind of thing happens time and time again.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/r9icub.jpg)
No one tries to exploit the gap between defenders and midfielders on the edge of the area. The two lads at the top of the picture are always edging away from the ball looking for a cross that will never come. They may as well not be on the pitch.
Other teams are very adept at causing us grief with runners going across the front of our back line. When are we going to learn? We have players - Gil or Grealish - who have the ball control and ability to turn quickly and wreak absolute havoc in that area. Why not use them to do just that?
My other pet hate - the way Hutton lets runners go past him and accept simple lifted passes over the top. FFS.
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I know what you mean Batman, those moneymen are Robin bastards
Absolute Joker!
I think we may have jumped the shark.
Edit. Hang on! That was Fonzie in Happy Days. Batman was shark repellant. Doh!
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That's a horrible photo Steve. Shows our problem pretty clearly.
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We would've had to play Liverpool next at our bogey ground.
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Didn't follow the match, just watched highlights online and read the team sheets.
3 right backs, 2 left backs, 1 defender, 2 defensive midfielders... WTF..?
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A picture that speaks a thousand words, mostly me saying 'fucks sake'.
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That's a horrible photo Steve. Shows our problem pretty clearly.
The thing is that we've never ever gotten the hang of it. Even Grealish, a player basically designed to play in those spaces, has spent most of his time so far coming in from the left. Westwood gets rightful stick for a lot of things he does, but I don't think he's a coward who doesn't want to pass the ball forwards - there just so rarely is the opportunity for him to make that sort of pass.
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looks at car crash, keeps moving past it.
Oh so negative ....... ;)
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My guess is that was Sherwood's team selection and K-Mac didn't want to rock the boat too much so close to the game when he took over. Let's see what happens for Spurs.
Team was crap, not sure anyone comes out of that with any credibility, maybe Grealish perhaps.
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It made no sense at all not to play Veretout and Adama at the very least in a game like that, or at least Gil. Instead we just threw any full back we could find at the problem for some reason. We could never get MON to play more than one full back, now we seem to want to shoehorn half of a team worth into the side.
I really hope the manager situation is sorted soon and that whoever comes in is already looking at the players. He needs to decide on a team and a style that suits very quickly. It is one heck of a pressure cooker situation to be coming into - the whole club is utterly devoid of joy at the moment.
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looks at car crash, keeps moving past it.
Oh so negative ....... ;)
It is, but given that I'm generally positive it stands out. When it's you it blends in with every other one of your posts.
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Back in my Portsmouth hotel after the game and credit to the fans tonight albeit with plenty of dark humour which is concerning considering it Is October. Have to say the yellow kit and shorts don't do Gabby any favours. He looked about 18 stone. No wonder the fitness coach has been given the tick tack.
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Just got back and wanted to vent a few thoughts....
Gallows humour hugely in evidence, the majority laughed at what was going on during the game. The fucking pathetic team selection, the fucking pathetic substitutions and the even more fucking pathetic sight of the overweight No.11 wobbling around, always five yards offside and apparently...our CAPTAIN.
That team reminded me of a League 2 side who'd got a cup draw against the Premier League team and were "trying their best".
I've changed my mind on Remi Garde. We need someone to sort that rabble out instantly. It has to be Moyes or Rodgers or we are done for. Although why either would want any part of that God only knows.
We have brilliant support, incredible actually. Some of those players should take a look up and be ashamed of themselves.
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I'm just catching up with the game on the Internet at the moment as I'm not in the country. The BBC reckon we 14 shots and 7 on target. That is surely an improvement on every game we've played this season even the ones we've won isn't it? Grounds for optimism?
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Yet another defeat by the odd goal. We're even shit at being shit.
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As per his OS interview he played Amvi and Bacuna wide as they our best crossers of the ball
What Kmac figured out in one game is that Gestede is only worth playing if you whip balls into him from wide.He has little pace , poor hold up play and general looks akward on the ball so I will give him credit for that .Sherwood seemed to think Gestede was Benteke and tried to have the team play as we did last season ,,
We were direct at times but we had a plan , we hit it long to Gestede for flick on's . over the top for Gabby to run onto or we tried to get it wide.
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Just in. Getting into and out if Southampton isn't getting any easier...
Anyway I do admire some of the constructive thoughts on here, and I'm sure that there is merit in them. Sadly I'm not as considered so I'll just say that it was a bag of horse shit. Players way out of form playing without confidence or belief is bad enough but the perceived lack of effort or passion is unforgivable.
Any manager even half contemplating taking this load of shit on will think twice if he watched that. I honestly think we could do a Derby this season. Absolute garbage.
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As per his OS interview he played Amvi and Bacuna wide as they our best crossers of the ball
What Kmac figured out in one game is that Gestede is only worth playing if you whip balls into him from wide.He has little pace , poor hold up play and general looks akward on the ball so I will give him credit for that .Sherwood seemed to think Gestede was Benteke and tried to have the team play as we did last season ,,
We were direct at times but we had a plan , we hit it long to Gestede for flick on's . over the top for Gabby to run onto or we tried to get it wide.
I agree. I thought there was also a good deal of challenging for the ball by all the team members when we had lost possession in all areas of the pitch, not something that he been noticeable for quite some time.
Now he just has to get the forwards without the ball to make themselves available by moving into spaces when we are attacking.
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Just back.
I thought K Mac had a chance tonight to show that these players could do something with a bit of organisation.
Stunned by the team selection. Gabby? Bacuna?
Where were Gana, Veretout, Gil, Traore?
The one player that needed subbing was Gabby - did NOTHING, but played the whole game. Amavi our best attack minded player - subbed!
Not a bad 1st half, fell apart in the 2nd.
Crespo did ok but clearly can't win a challenge in the air.
Westwood did his usual mix of looking really good but achieving little.
Sanchez - who I really like - totally fu*ked with 20 minutes to go.
Gabby - finished. Embarrassing. The End. Please.
Gestede - couldn't control his own dick while pissing out of it...wtf!
I honestly think that if we deploy our midfielders: Sanchez, Gana, Gil and Grealish "properly" we can hurt other teams.
Traore for impact.
I'd try Ayew and Kozak up top.
Try keeping the ball, not giving it away at every set-piece, including throw-ins, and stop being so fu*king nice....get in the face of the opposition and play as if you want to win the game!!!
Yours sincerely,
Pissed Off,
Pershore.
ps the 3000+ fans were brilliant tonight but I can't bring myself to sing about my own team being shit, even if we are.
UTV!
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I think these "jokers" as managers are having a laugh at our expense. I was in complete disbelief when I saw the team he had picked. I doubt that even if you pulled 11 names out of a hat it would be really difficult to come up with as shit a line up as we put out tonight.
K-Mac, please read the team that us supporters generally agree on, with the very odd exception. Here is a big clue for the team you should start with at Spuds next monday:
Guzan, Richards(as right back), Clark, Okore, Amavi, Traore, Gil, Sanchez, Veretout, Kozak and Ayew. Of course you also have Grealish. I think that Richards and Amavi have the pace and the crosses to cause trouble and,your holding midfield players would be Sanchez and Veretout with Traore also causing some damage down the right flank and Gil playing a number 10 role. Free advise there Kev and, can't see why you or TS can't see the blindingly obvious. PS: Mr Lerner and Mr Fox, for a small remuneration, I can give you further advise on picking teams that will not only be entertaining but might just win us a fucking match!!
Please, just for once, try a decent line up and forget Agbonlahor, Gestede, Hutton, Westwood et al. These players form the basis of our disaster this season.
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The first half wasn't bad at all. Although we were set up defensively we took the game to Southampton and looked more threatening than in recent games - though we had no one who could produce the killer pass or an individual bit of brilliance. The second half was poor. We gave Southamption possession far too easily and our passing was dreadful, even players like Sanchez and Hutton who otherwise had a good game. I haven't seen the highlights, but I thought Amavi was at fault for the first goal and that Guzan should probably have saved it anyway.
Apart from one excellent shot Gabby did nothing. And he shouldn't wear yellow shorts again: on a tubby lad they're not at all flattering.
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I think these "jokers" as managers are having a laugh at our expense. I was in complete disbelief when I saw the team he had picked. I doubt that even if you pulled 11 names out of a hat it would be really difficult to come up with as shit a line up as we put out tonight.
K-Mac, please read the team that us supporters generally agree on, with the very odd exception. Here is a big clue for the team you should start with at Spuds next monday:
Guzan, Richards(as right back), Clark, Okore, Amavi, Traore, Gil, Sanchez, Veretout, Kozak and Ayew. Of course you also have Grealish. I think that Richards and Amavi have the pace and the crosses to cause trouble and,your holding midfield players would be Sanchez and Veretout with Traore also causing some damage down the right flank and Gil playing a number 10 role. Free advise there Kev and, can't see why you or TS can't see the blindingly obvious. PS: Mr Lerner and Mr Fox, for a small remuneration, I can give you further advise on picking teams that will not only be entertaining but might just win us a fucking match!!
Please, just for once, try a decent line up and forget Agbonlahor, Gestede, Hutton, Westwood et al. These players form the basis of our disaster this season.
Pretty much agree with all of that Skerra.
Don't forget Gana - our best MF this season.
And...minor point...it's "advice" you give, not "advise", which is something you do, and you clearly do very well imho.
Being an English teacher for 40 years fu*ks with my brain!
Come on you Villa boys!
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The first half wasn't bad at all. Although we were set up defensively we took the game to Southampton and looked more threatening than in recent games - though we had no one who could produce the killer pass or an individual bit of brilliance. The second half was poor. We gave Southamption possession far too easily and our passing was dreadful, even players like Sanchez and Hutton who otherwise had a good game. I haven't seen the highlights, but I thought Amavi was at fault for the first goal and that Guzan should probably have saved it anyway.
Apart from one excellent shot Gabby did nothing. And he shouldn't wear yellow shorts again: on a tubby lad they're not at all flattering.
Great to hear from you frank!
Agree mate.
We need to play Gil - because he can produce that killer pass, and it drives me absolutely nuts that we cannot keep possession of the ball in the simplest of situations...eg almost all set-pieces end up being a gift for the opposition rather than a threat from us!!! Add all those little moments up - it amounts to an enormous amount of possession/non-possession!
Frank, you and I would look lovely in yellow shorts!
:D
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I'm just catching up with the game on the Internet at the moment as I'm not in the country. The BBC reckon we 14 shots and 7 on target. That is surely an improvement on every game we've played this season even the ones we've won isn't it? Grounds for optimism?
I thought it was, in my eyes we played well and were unlucky to lose.
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We were pretty good in the first half, completely shit in the second.
We lost to the better team over 90 minutes.
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Quite right Frank - it was a typo error re:advice/advise. As you can tell , I'm fuming so, in a rush to put finger to keypad and, also agree with you about Gana (Don't know how I forgot him) so, OK, change Sanchez for Gana. We would then also have a reasonable bench.
I've said before that, although we are a little short of a great striker, the squad as a whole are well good enough to climb the league but, whoever is manager please don't keep persisting with the players who have by and large got into this sad situation.
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I feared the worst when I saw our kit. All yellow.
Put me in mind of that ghastly dirge by Indy Rock Beat Combo Coldplay and that caterwauling long streak of piss with the horses teeth who was slipping a length to Gwyn Poltroon the emaciated actress. The video for the song had the eejit stumbling goggle eyed along a rain swept beach as though he had just been on the pipe.
At least Gabby has now built sufficient physical mass to win most of the sumo wrestling contests which are an integral part of most crosses into the box these days and he did put himself about early doors. If he continues to expand at the current rate of growth however, he will achieve Grant Holt "proper man" status sooner rather than later and be the object of pie-based ribaldry.
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I'd play Sanchez.
I think he's fu*ked in the last 20 minutes because he's doing too much shite running around that others aren't doing - eg Westwood
Gana and Sanchez would be my DMFs of choice...I think Veretout looks very promising going forward...when he plays!
Gil to create. Hopefully/ideally with Grealish.
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I fucking hate this
Kevin Mac tonight "We came with a game plan and frustrated one of the form teams in the Premier League,”
How about a fucking game plan to beat one of the form teams in the Premier League? I'm sick to death of us being scared. Is it too much to ask to be the Dom and not the sub once in a while? We're like the fucking gimp.
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Kev, nice guy, good with kids, hasn't got a fucking clue in the big league though. Beats at Spurs and Man City coming up.
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I fucking hate this
Kevin Mac tonight "We came with a game plan and frustrated one of the form teams in the Premier League,”
How about a fucking game plan to beat one of the form teams in the Premier League? I'm sick to death of us being scared. Is it too much to ask to be the Dom and not the sub once in a while? We're like the fucking gimp.
Couldn't agree more TV.
Thought this was a great chance for KMac - or any stand-in/new man to show what he believes...he was in a totally no-lose situation.
And he picks a weird, "nothing" team to try to win a knock-out cup tie, ffs, with total deference to the opposition and how superior they are!
FFS!
Hope it says more about him than it does about the club.
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If we put a half ambitious side out tonight we could very well have won that.
Agreed, 100%.
Instead it was so conservative. It's like a virus has infected the club and manager after manager is forced to play shit depressing football.
Again, sadly true. I'm so bored of this shit. Watching the Villa these last 15 years has become such a chore. I fucking hate the pointlessness (can I say that?) of our football. Maybe if I filled my belly with good ale before the game it wouldn't seem so bad but I watch the games cold, stone sober.
Lerner just needs to get one management appointment right. After that, everything thing will fall into place but right now I really fear we're going down. I'm actually scared to look at the new manager thread in case we've been turned down by Garde and even he will have his work cut out.
The only positive I can take from tonight was our fans. Love and respect to you all (except the two muppets in the wigs and the fat slaphead on the coach).
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-------------Guzan-----------------
Hutton---Richards--Okore---Amavi
Gil----Gana-----Sanchez----Grealish
---------Ayew-----Kozak-----------
Or put Gil in behind a lone striker with Adama on the right.
Or play Gana Sanchez Veretout in the middle and go 4-3-3.
Or do anything really, just don't start Gabby, Lescott, Gestede, Richardson, Westwood or Bacuna. Not even one; let alone all of them at once you stupid twerps.
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"twerps" is about right.
Fu*k it.
I'm going to bed.
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Oh, almost forgot. Scott Sinclair? Can you please fuck off. You're not a footballer. You're shit. Your control makes Gabby look like Messi. I hated you but tried to like you but do you know what? You're fucking worse than I originally thought you were.*
*I've no objections bringing him off the bench to take penalties.
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When are we going to play players in a normal formation in their normal position? How about Ayew and Gestede up front, Sinclair Left wing, Gil right, Veretout and Gueye central, Hutton Rb, Amavi Lb and Clark/ Okore cbs. And then let them play a few games.
It works on FIFA 16.
Maybe thats the problem, all the Managers have got the team set to professional difficulty and not Semi-Pro. I win a lot more in Semi-Pro mode....
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One of the form teams? They are 10th in current form. Admittedly anyone is in form compared to us, but jeeze.
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How on earth are the players going to gain confidence if the coaches send them out not to lose? Not to express themselves. Set up to contain. Don't get beat. Stop the opposition from playing. Frustrate them. Fucking hell. How did it or when did it happen that we became so soft and subservient? Tonight was an opportunity to say fuck our league form. Let's go for it and whatever happens, happens. Instead new bloke, same routine. It's so draining.
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At least I can see what he was trying to do even if I disagree with it. Makes a change from wondering wtf the plan was after each game.
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Kevin MacDonald is a good kids coach. He failed as a manager at Swindon leaving citing personal problems.He clearly cannot cope with the mental pressure of looking after the first team.
Mr Fox for gods sake we need a manager who can accept responsibility have full control over incoming transfers and who can sort out this bloody shambles of a club.
It is unfortunate but that manager is probably Nigel Pearson.
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and noticed Tony Parkes is still working with us ? Why are we keeping him instead of letting him go among with Team Sherwood ?
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and noticed Tony Parkes is still working with us ? Why are we keeping him instead of letting him go among with Team Sherwood ?
I dunno but I have always appreciated his level of emotion and engagement during games.
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but in the absence of results, so what. And I don't mean to be cruel - it's just that now more than ever, we can't carry passengers.
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but in the absence of results, so what. And I don't mean to be cruel - it's just that now more than ever, we can't carry passengers.
Unfortunately we have about 20 of them.
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How many games have we lost by just the odd goal this season? its not like we're getting thrashed out of sight every week. Perhaps the new manager (whenever he turns up) can install a bit of confidence into the squad because the whole lot of them are bereft of it.
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McDonald had a lot of credit in the bank with Villa fans as a good servant of the club. As far as I'm concerned he let us and himself down last night and tarnished his reputation. There really was no need at all to be so cautious and I can't for the life of me understand what he was thinking.
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No one is surprised of course at the defeat. But the manner of it and of course now famed baffling team selection is annoying again. Didn't we also play in yellow a lot the last time we were relegated?
When the draw was made Le Tissier pulled out Southampton at home and when we were drawn out next he punched the air. I know he's a tit but it's another reminder of just how far we have fallen. K Mac saying we frustrated one the form teams of the PL. A club that was in Administration just as Randy started to switch the cash tap off.
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Can't remember '87 away strip, but I'm sure we had a yellow and blue away strip in 69/70 when we went down to the third division?
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Yes I bought 1987 away kit full yellow made by Henson! Just like last night!! And we played just like 1987. No actually we played worse than at anytime in 1987 or any other year I can remember! Very sad times..
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How many games have we lost by just the odd goal this season? its not like we're getting thrashed out of sight every week. Perhaps the new manager (whenever he turns up) can install a bit of confidence into the squad because the whole lot of them are bereft of it.
Yep.
We gift cheap goals continually. Hutton should stop the cross, Clark shouldn't get drawn towards the ball. Positioning is definitely a coaching issue. It helps when the midfield doesn't contain Westwood of course.
That side last night was nowhere near our best and a smart manager would know that and believe there are more than enough tools to work with to improve us.
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Hutton---Richards--Okore---Amavi
Gil----Gana-----Sanchez----Grealish
---------Ayew-----Kozak-----------
Or put Gil in behind a lone striker with Adama on the right.
Or play Gana Sanchez Veretout in the middle and go 4-3-3.
Or do anything really, just don't start Gabby, Lescott, Gestede, Richardson, Westwood or Bacuna. Not even one; let alone all of them at once you stupid twerps.
4-4-2 is an obsolete formation to all intent and purpose. Most especially with our midifeld.
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Hutton---Richards--Okore---Amavi
Gil----Gana-----Sanchez----Grealish
---------Ayew-----Kozak-----------
Thats probably as good as it gets, but fcuk me that has relegation writtten through it. There's just not enough goals in that set up to keep us up. That midfield is nicely balanced, but would deliver, what 5 goals between them between now and May. And to expect Ayew and Kozak to get more than 10 a piece would be pushing it massively.
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We would've had to play Liverpool next at our bogey ground.
Statements like that have always fried my brain. In my confused kind I can't avoid th conclusion that it wasn't predetermined that the Villa/Saints ball was going to be picked out in that sequence. So if you re-ran that moment in time over and over again you'd expect a variety of results. Which means if Villa had won, the whole draw would almost certainly have been different.
And we'd have been destined to draw City!
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I don't think we'd beat anyone at the moment. We are in a big horrible mess.
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You know things must be bad when Alan Hutton is miles ahead of anyone else for Player of the Season....
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Doomed or so it seems. We're going to need a Leicester like run and I can't see a goalscorer in our squad.
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I think Kozak is nailed on for player of the season providing he doesn't play!
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The 4-4-2 was solid until the usual outnumbering thing happened and they jogged through the midfield to score. The 4-2-3-1 looked better - nearly good, in fact - and should be enough to provide a little bit of hope. However, the key thing to do is to play Jack as an inside left and not as a number ten in that formation - Veretout should be the more advanced of three midfielders.
Maybe if Remi does come in he'll play that 4-3-1-2, but with Gil as one of the 'strikers' playing off Ayew, and Jack as the '1'.
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I feared the worst when I saw our kit. All yellow.
Put me in mind of that ghastly dirge by Indy Rock Beat Combo Coldplay and that caterwauling long streak of piss with the horses teeth who was slipping a length to Gwyn Poltroon the emaciated actress. The video for the song had the eejit stumbling goggle eyed along a rain swept beach as though he had just been on the pipe.
At least Gabby has now built sufficient physical mass to win most of the sumo wrestling contests which are an integral part of most crosses into the box these days and he did put himself about early doors. If he continues to expand at the current rate of growth however, he will achieve Grant Holt "proper man" status sooner rather than later and be the object of pie-based ribaldry.
A wonderful post thankyou. I can honestly say that if it wasn't for the humour on H&V's forums I'd have ditched my connection with the Villa by now. I live near Aberdeen so can't make many matches but thoroughly enjoy the match threads as the brotherhood of Villa shares its collective despair. The players should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for what they contribute to the name of AVFC but the fans have nothing to reproach themselves for other than perhaps an interminable patience that should have broken long ago. Keep it going everyone, don't let the buggers get yer down.
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Can we not just try, at least once, just to see if it works, Gueye, Sanchez, Vertetout. Amavi and Richards as full backs. I'm sick of seeing crosses fly in almost uncontested by the fullbacks. Defend like your life depends on it you fucking fannys, don't wave your leg half heartedly at the ball, block it, throw yourself at it, do whatever it takes. And having 3 in the middle, all of whom can be combatative, because I'm sick of runs going unchallenged from the half way line to the edge of the box whilst Westwood the wimp gets shrugged off the ball like he's a year 7 kid playing against some year 11's.
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I agree with that midfield three, aj2k77. Veretout and Gana can both break forward when needed, too. I'd like to see a front three of Jack, Gil and Ayew as well, because with the midfield solid behind them they could have some freedom to do their stuff.
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Can we not just try, at least once, just to see if it works, Gueye, Sanchez, Vertetout. Amavi and Richards as full backs. I'm sick of seeing crosses fly in almost uncontested by the fullbacks. Defend like your life depends on it you fucking fannys, don't wave your leg half heartedly at the ball, block it, throw yourself at it, do whatever it takes. And having 3 in the middle, all of whom can be combatative, because I'm sick of runs going unchallenged from the half way line to the edge of the box whilst Westwood the wimp gets shrugged off the ball like he's a year 7 kid playing against some year 11's.
So true. I saw Richardson and Bacuna bottle tackles last night, jumping out so as not to get hurt. Such passion for our cause.
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I think most of us agree on the midfield of Sanchez Gueye and Veretout.It seems so obvious.
But Sherwood and now Macdonald are paid a lot of money not to agree with us.
What do we know anyway.
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Can we not just try, at least once, just to see if it works, Gueye, Sanchez, Vertetout. Amavi and Richards as full backs. I'm sick of seeing crosses fly in almost uncontested by the fullbacks. Defend like your life depends on it you fucking fannys, don't wave your leg half heartedly at the ball, block it, throw yourself at it, do whatever it takes. And having 3 in the middle, all of whom can be combatative, because I'm sick of runs going unchallenged from the half way line to the edge of the box whilst Westwood the wimp gets shrugged off the ball like he's a year 7 kid playing against some year 11's.
So true. I saw Richardson and Bacuna bottle tackles last night, jumping out so as not to get hurt. Such passion for our cause.
its been posted before that a team that has bacuna (amongst others who are shit) as a regular starter is going to struggle
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It's all about opinions. Mine is that any starting 11 containing Bacuna, Richardson and Fat Gab aren't likely to do very well.
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We would've had to play Liverpool next at our bogey ground.
Statements like that have always fried my brain. In my confused kind I can't avoid th conclusion that it wasn't predetermined that the Villa/Saints ball was going to be picked out in that sequence. So if you re-ran that moment in time over and over again you'd expect a variety of results. Which means if Villa had won, the whole draw would almost certainly have been different.
And we'd have been destined to draw City!
I'd have settled for Hull, to be honest.
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Richards
Okore
Clark
Amavi
Sanchez
Gana
Veretout
Gil
Grealish
Ayew
...is a side capable of staying up IMO.
Not sure about Guzan.
Frustrating we've picked nothing close to that front six - I realise that defence has not been an option.
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Can't remember '87 away strip, but I'm sure we had a yellow and blue away strip in 69/70 when we went down to the third division?
we did.
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Richards
Okore
Clark
Amavi
Sanchez
Gana
Veretout
Gil
Grealish
Ayew
...is a side capable of staying up IMO.
Not sure about Guzan.
Frustrating we've picked nothing close to that front six - I realise that defence has not been an option.
Agree although Clark and Okore have a ricket in them ...
I've certyainly been in the three-in-the-middle camp for a while, just to shore up shaky defending and get some stability.
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Richards
Okore
Clark
Amavi
Sanchez
Gana
Veretout
Gil
Grealish
Ayew
...is a side capable of staying up IMO.
Not sure about Guzan.
Frustrating we've picked nothing close to that front six - I realise that defence has not been an option.
Agree although Clark and Okore have a ricket in them ...
I've certyainly been in the three-in-the-middle camp for a while, just to shore up shaky defending and get some stability.
All combinations of our defenders are a bit leaky IMO. We need to give ourselves a chance of scoring a couple to cover it. Can't see us grinding out any one-nils.
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I'd take a 0-0 just now. It's good we're not getting cuffed every game so a few dour 0-0s allows the defence and midfield to get a little bit of confidence then I hope to god the goals start to come.
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A 0-0 at WHL and then a 0-0 at home to CI£y would feel like a domestic trophy win just now
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A 0-0 at WHL and then a 0-0 at home to CI£y would feel like a domestic trophy win just now
It would indeed.
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Have to say Ayew looked a player again when he came on, was mobile and looking to bring others into the game. Unfortunately no f*cker moved....one of our many problems.
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I think most of us agree on the midfield of Sanchez Gueye and Veretout.It seems so obvious.
But Sherwood and now Macdonald are paid a lot of money not to agree with us.
What do we know anyway.
I don't, what do people see in Sanchez? He's been very poor for me since he's joined. Yes he travels a lot for international duty and has come from a different country but he can't last longer than 60 minutes and gives the ball away in silly areas to often for me. I'd play Veretout and Gana sitting with Gil, Adama, Grealish and Ayew as the 4 more advanced. If we need a 3rd centre mid I'd try Illori there before reverting to Westwood or Sanchez.
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Have to say Ayew looked a player again when he came on, was mobile and looking to bring others into the game. Unfortunately no f*cker moved....one of our many problems.
Agree, after a few early duff touches.
I've been saying for some time that Gabby actually "hides" behind defenders when we are in possession near the box...he did it at least 3/4 times last night.
In general, our movement off the ball is bloody awful.
Look at what Pelle does to get in position to receive the ball and score their second last night...we don't appear to have anyone capable of doing that. Or not being coached to do it.
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Have to say Ayew looked a player again when he came on, was mobile and looking to bring others into the game. Unfortunately no f*cker moved....one of our many problems.
It seems to have been engrained in our players for years.
Yet again last night, Gestede and Blobby just stood around like a pair of giant oak trees. When Blobby did decide to actually move he was always offside. I've not seen two players less willing to move since Warren Aspinall.
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Richards
Okore
Clark
Amavi
Sanchez
Gana
Veretout
Gil
Grealish
Ayew
...is a side capable of staying up IMO.
Not sure about Guzan.
Frustrating we've picked nothing close to that front six - I realise that defence has not been an option.
I'm frustrated that finally we've signed some players for decent money, and I know you don't always get what you pay for but other than Gana, £9m, and Amavi £10m, none of them have regularly featured and Amavi was recently dropped for a couple of games. Veretout, £10m, Ayew £12m, Adama, £8m, Illori, loan with view to £6-9m fee (Liverpool paid £7m for him) surely they must be better than the bunch of £0-1m limited players we're having to put up with watching, Westwood, Bacuna, Lescott, Crespo, Richardson etc. Also Grealish and Gil seem to be bit part players this season, they should be in most weeks rather than dross like Gabby and Gestede.
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I think most of us agree on the midfield of Sanchez Gueye and Veretout.It seems so obvious.
But Sherwood and now Macdonald are paid a lot of money not to agree with us.
What do we know anyway.
I don't, what do people see in Sanchez? He's been very poor for me since he's joined. Yes he travels a lot for international duty and has come from a different country but he can't last longer than 60 minutes and gives the ball away in silly areas to often for me. I'd play Veretout and Gana sitting with Gil, Adama, Grealish and Ayew as the 4 more advanced. If we need a 3rd centre mid I'd try Illori there before reverting to Westwood or Sanchez.
We all have different opinions that is what forums are there for. Sanchez has been, in my view, a good addition to the defensive ranks.
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For the last two games almost every player on the bench was better that what was on the pitch.
The mind - if I had one left - boggles!
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Have to say Ayew looked a player again when he came on, was mobile and looking to bring others into the game. Unfortunately no f*cker moved....one of our many problems.
I've been saying for some time that Gabby actually "hides" behind defenders when we are in possession near the box...he did it at least 3/4 times last night.
Gabby's movement usually consists of running behind the opposition defenders to see if our players literally can find a needle in a haystack with a pass. Having said that Gabby now has plenty of presence, enough for 3 players in fact. .
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For the last two games almost every player on the bench was better that what was on the pitch.
The mind - if I had one left - boggles!
That's the last shred of hope I have left, we've looked dreadful this season, but for the most part Gil, Veretout, Adama and Ayew have not featured regularly, Illori, Okore and Kozak not at all really and Grealish not that much really either. If a new man can get at least 3-4 of these playing regularly well we've a chance of moving up the table.
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Have to say Ayew looked a player again when he came on, was mobile and looking to bring others into the game. Unfortunately no f*cker moved....one of our many problems.
Agree, after a few early duff touches.
I've been saying for some time that Gabby actually "hides" behind defenders when we are in possession near the box...he did it at least 3/4 times last night.
In general, our movement off the ball is bloody awful.
Look at what Pelle does to get in position to receive the ball and score their second last night...we don't appear to have anyone capable of doing that. Or not being coached to do it.
My theory about Gabby "taking up a cheating position, if you will" as BFR might have said, is that he spent most of his career playing off the shoulder of the last man when he had frightening pace and we were set up to counter attack with a lone striker. Put him in a front 2 with a ponderous build up and he does not know what to do with himself.
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. . . and playing Gabby alongside Gestede to chase the flick-ons is a complete waste of time as his reading of the game is so poor that he never spots them. If he had a football brain, then he should be able to run onto at least one out of three flick ons and be one on one with the keeper or with just one defender to beat . . but he doesn't.
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Gabby read carew's easy enough. Or carew knew how to head the ball in the direction of a player rather than the elaborate side flick/glances that gestede seems to prefer that can go anywhere.
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Gabby's a Busted Flush. We need to offload to some Dimwit Manager who thinks he is still the player he was 5-6 years ago.
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Gabby's a Busted Flush. We need to offload to some Dimwit Manager who thinks he is still the player he was 5-6 years ago.
Pulis ?
UTV
The Doc
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A 0-0 at WHL and then a 0-0 at home to CI£y would feel like a domestic trophy win just now
It would indeed.
You'll see me running across the pitch giving Fox a double fist pump, O'Leary style if we get two 0-0's.
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A 0-0 at WHL and then a 0-0 at home to CI£y would feel like a domestic trophy win just now
It would indeed.
You'll see me running across the pitch giving Fox a double fist pump, O'Leary style if we get two 0-0's.
Normally costs a fortune to watch that kind of specialty porn.
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A 0-0 at WHL and then a 0-0 at home to CI£y would feel like a domestic trophy win just now
It would indeed.
You'll see me running across the pitch giving Fox a double fist pump, O'Leary style if we get two 0-0's.
Normally costs a fortune to watch that kind of specialty porn.
It would certainly bring a tear to the eye
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I think I'd rather watch that than the match
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I didn't think it was his best one.
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Gabby's a Busted Flush. We need to offload to some Dimwit Manager who thinks he is still the player he was 5-6 years ago.
Unfortunately MON is no longer in club management.
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I went to bed at half-time yesterday. I woke up this morning and found out we'd lost. No anger. No disappointment. Nothing. I barely batted an eyelid at the result.