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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Risso on October 03, 2015, 04:59:24 PM
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Shambles.
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total shambles
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Shambles.
It wasn't that good.
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I'm not even angry or surprised. This is what Villa have reduced me to.
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Struggling to find any positives other than I dont have to watch them for a couple of weeks now.
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Garbage
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Catastrophic I mean I think this is the year we go.
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What the fuck is there left to say? Honest to god I want stop watching football altogether because when we lose I lose all desire to keep up with the game I love. They are driving my passion for football out of me.
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He should be sacked tonight.
No excuses, Fox needs to admit appointing this twat with no experience was a gamble that backfired.
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nothing positive at all
there are some decent enough players, but they don't seem to know what they're meant to be doing, which is all down to Sherwood. Better get rid now before it's beyond saving
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If the manager of a cafe kept shitting in the slush puppy machine, he would be sacked.
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As I say every week now, what is there left to say that hasn't been said a 1000 times already?
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If the manager of a cafe kept shitting in the slush puppy machine, he would be sacked.
Yes, yes he would.
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Ridiculous. Once again the initiative was handed to the opposition and we end the game in desperation and no shape. Can't wait to the Chelsea game. They can just all fuck off.
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Disgrace
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Totally wank
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What the fuck is there left to say? Honest to god I want stop watching football altogether because when we lose I lose all desire to keep up with the game I love. They are driving my passion for football out of me.
Absolutely TV, I give less and less of a shit about football or the Villa every week. This is what it does to you after so long...
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What an absolute shower of shite. Thanks for ruining another weekend.
Why did he start with 5 at the back at home to Stoke?
I am shocked at what has happened to our football club.
Depressed.
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Shit. Sack tonight. Stop gambling with shit managers.
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At pretty much any other club, with that sort of start to the season (and end of last season), the manager would be in grave peril of the sack right now. Sherwood won't be anywhere near it, though.
if anything sums up the depressing, limp acceptance of mediocrity at this club, it is that.
I've given up even being surprised any more.
Did we even make their keeper make a save?
Utter, utter shambles from top to bottom.
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Well, I couldn't raise the enthusiasm to travel from N Yorks so went for an invigorating mountain-bike ride instead. Good decision.
I'm a ST holder but just cannot face watching another year of shite.
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Stoke were poor. But comfortable.
Do we work on set pieces in training? It really doesn't look like we do. They are the only dangerous opportunities we create, we really need to work on them until we start scoring from corners...even a few times a season would be a massive improvement.
To those of you too snobby to want someone like Allardyce. Wake up to how bad we are currently, we don't have shots on goal and we are a shambles in terms of organisation, this is truly the worst of all worlds.
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will we be the biggest team in the Championship next season?
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Out, and out now!
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Shocking
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That was atrocious from start to finish.
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will we be the biggest team in the Championship next season?
We may have the most empty seats.
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Can't say anyone was surprised after seeing that team selection. What has happened to the forward facing, attacking football of March and April? Seriously doubting his tactical ability to make players better. 4 points from a pretty generous set of fixtures is fucking grim.
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We're an uncanny reflection of Randy Lerner. We're not quite sure what we're doing, or why we're here.
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What threat was sherwood looking to nullify by playing three at the back? Answers on a postcard.
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Another shit weekend , made by my football team and an out of his depth manager.
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Utter utter bollocks. This manager hasn't got a clue. Tim by name, dim by nature.
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Lerner and Fox have to take action, not wait like they did with Lambert. Bottom three at the end of October and no sign of him having a clue about his best team as the evidence of today showed.
He's brought in some promising talent but is unable to manage them.
He's got to go, but who to replace him with, that's the question. Leicester and West Ham took flyers but the Villa will probably go for someone like Pearson.
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will we be the biggest team in the Championship next season?
Toss up between us or Newcastle I would say
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What the fuck is there left to say? Honest to god I want stop watching football altogether because when we lose I lose all desire to keep up with the game I love. They are driving my passion for football out of me.
I've always believed Villa lose thousands of fans every decade due to the inept way the club is run.
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"There'll be no escape for the princess this time."
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Fox has to admit he fell for 'the gift of the gab'.
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We never got cut adrift in the bottom three under Lambert, but this spiv has managed it by October.
Dreadful performance which got the deserved result. I really don't know how much longer I keep forking out my hard earned cash to watch this shit week after week. I only stopped till the end to boo them off.
This is the fourth manager since O'Neill left, but nothing changes. Lerner is the common denominator.
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From what I could see Sherwood sh@@ himself so played ultra defensive first half, followed that up by chucking attacking players on second half. They couldn't adapt from a back 5 to a back 4 quick enough and Stoke said thanks for the points.
Going to be another season of massive struggle.
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4 points from 24.
4 point gap between us and the other two worse-run clubs in the league and the side in 17th, too, now.
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We're an uncanny reflection of Randy Lerner. We're not quite sure what we're doing, or why we're here.
And that's being generous about that clueless twerp
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if we have a strength, it is in players who play off the front man (gil, grealish, traore when fit, ayew, sinclair) so he plays only one and the least creative one of them at it
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As I say every week now, what is there left to say that hasn't been said a 1000 times already?
My position too Richard. I'm exhausted by getting this worked up, and I try hard not to. But 5 years and counting and even being one of the most optimistic ones I feel beaten to shit by it all.
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Calm down we are only 4 points from Safety ...in October......
He will be sacked IMO question of when now , talks a good game but is out of his depth and with the upcoming results I can't see where any points are coming from.
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Clueless . Cockney . Chancer .
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Do you know what? I'd actually take the relegation now. Not because I particularly want it, but simply after what is now years of this relentless shit we might actually achieve some level of respectable mediocrity, you know, like a few home wins on the bounce, the odd surprise away result.
There I've said it. The only way we're going to reach mid-table any time soon is in the Championship. And the cat that I say it at a time when Leicester and Crystal Palace are at the top of the league we're currently in is fucking depressing.
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Sack him now, give a new chancer the international break
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Gave up my season ticket this year and didn't go today - saddest thing is I'm not missing it at all and am almost resigned to relegation already
Please sell up asap Lerner !
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The selection of a manager trying to get sacked. Or he's just clueless. Either way, he's got to go.
Why Westwood instead of Sanchez? Why three right backs? Why 3-5-2? Why no creativity? Why can't we fucking cross when our only chance of scoring is Gestede?
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6 defeats in 8
1 point from possible 12 at home
3 out of 4 home games fail to score .
Sack this clueless muppet now while we have a 2 week break . I'd take Fat Sam in a heartbeat
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Stoke had nothing and we had even less...shocking. Sherwood deserves credit for keeping us up last season but he has lost the plot this one. Thanks Tim...and cheerio !
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As I say every week now, what is there left to say that hasn't been said a 1000 times already?
My position too Richard. I'm exhausted by getting this worked up, and I try hard not to. But 5 years and counting and even being one of the most optimistic ones I feel beaten to shit by it all.
It just saps your energy doesn't TV? I feel drained by 5pm every week now even though, bizarrely, they make me care less and less. I actually watch hardly any football now at the weekends or in the week and it's all down to year after year after year now of this unremitting shit. I sat in Bath in the sun in the week and thought how much I wished I could live there, go and watch the rugby every week, and forget all about this f*cking drain on my life
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Did we ever really think swapping Benteke for a lumbering, immobile Championship striker was going to work? He then selects a team where our biggest creative threat was Alan Hutton.
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The selection of a manager trying to get sacked. Or he's just clueless. Either way, he's got to go.
Why Westwood instead of Sanchez? Why three right backs? Why 3-5-2? Why no creativity? Why can't we fucking cross when our only chance of scoring is Gestede?
If you are going to go 3 at the back why then play Hutton ahead of Bacuna who is better going forward and crossing.
Hutton so often gets into the right positions but then doesnt seem to know what to do next.
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We're already 4 points adrift.
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They can sack him but with the clueless muppets running the club they are capable of coming up with an even worse option.
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Whilst Gueye has been decent this season - was I the only one who thought he was awful today? Looked disinterested at times.
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Do you know what? I'd actually take the relegation now. Not because I particularly want it, but simply after what is now years of this relentless shit we might actually achieve some level of respectable mediocrity, you know, like a few home wins on the bounce, the odd surprise away result.
There I've said it. The only way we're going to reach mid-table any time soon is in the Championship. And the cat that I say it at a time when Leicester and Crystal Palace are at the top of the league we're currently in is fucking depressing.
Is there any guarantees that we'd be mid-table in the Championship?
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Do you know what? I'd actually take the relegation now. Not because I particularly want it, but simply after what is now years of this relentless shit we might actually achieve some level of respectable mediocrity, you know, like a few home wins on the bounce, the odd surprise away result.
There I've said it. The only way we're going to reach mid-table any time soon is in the Championship. And the cat that I say it at a time when Leicester and Crystal Palace are at the top of the league we're currently in is fucking depressing.
That's kind of how I feel too. I'm sick of the same shit performances again and again.
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Whilst Gueye has been decent this season - was I the only one who thought he was awful today? Looked disinterested at times.
He's just the latest version of KEA. Headless chicken
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On the plus side Sturk played us off the park last year, this year second half we were all over them. I know I know clutching at straws but at least that's some kind of progress isn't it?
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Whilst Gueye has been decent this season - was I the only one who thought he was awful today? Looked disinterested at times.
I'd be disinterested too if every time I got the ball there was fuck all to pass to in front of me except for Sinclair jogging in circles.
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Do you know what? I'd actually take the relegation now. Not because I particularly want it, but simply after what is now years of this relentless shit we might actually achieve some level of respectable mediocrity, you know, like a few home wins on the bounce, the odd surprise away result.
There I've said it. The only way we're going to reach mid-table any time soon is in the Championship. And the cat that I say it at a time when Leicester and Crystal Palace are at the top of the league we're currently in is fucking depressing.
Is there any guarantees that we'd be mid-table in the Championship?
Depends when Randy sells. He doesn't deserve a profit.
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stop referring to the manager as a cockney.
It makes you look like ignorant football fans.
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Time was, you hated playing Stoke because you knew how they were going to play. Now you hate watching Villa for the same reason.
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When you start messing around with selection and tactics you give players an excuse.
The players know it is a shambles, there is no belief.
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stop referring to the manager as a cockney.
It makes you look like ignorant football fans.
How does' inept chancer'sound?
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For a manager who claims to always be positive in the way he sets his teams up, the amount of end product is embarrassing.
Sherwood is totally out of his depth and his constant changing of his formations, shows he has no plan and no clue.
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I don't think we played well whatsoever . The whole shape , balance, everything is wrong.
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On the plus side Sturk played us off the park last year, this year second half we were all over them.
Yes, we were all over them with our sideways passing !!
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For a manager who claims to always be positive in the way he sets his teams up, the amount of end product is embarrassing.
Sherwood is totally out of his depth and his constant changing of his formations, shows he has no plan and no clue.
We haven't even got the best manager in the second city.
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Don't want fat Sam anywhere near vp.
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Was sherwood really just sat on his arse the last 15 mins with Hughes up on the touch line.
Chancer just wants his pay off I reckon.
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When you start messing around with selection and tactics you give players an excuse.
The players know it is a shambles, there is no belief.
In the first half in particular, they looked like they had no idea what they were supposed to be doing.
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That's it for me. I'm normally the last to cry sack the manager, hoping against hope that problems will be resolved given time, but I just can't see any way that improvement can come with Tim in charge. His 'tactics' are such transparently self defeating efforts that I can't believe that there is a single premier league manager who doesn't glance at our team sheet and can't believe his luck.
He has to go. Midnight tonight would be long enough notice.
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Stop being so negative!
*runs away hiding.
I have a numb feeling after a loss - immune.
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That's it for me. I'm normally the last to cry sack the manager, hoping against hope that problems will be resolved given time, but I just can't see any way that improvement can come with Tim in charge. His 'tactics' are such transparently self defeating efforts that I can't believe that there is a single premier league manager who doesn't glance at our team sheet and can't believe his luck.
That's it for me. I can accept defeats (particularly early on in a season) if I can see what the manager is trying to achieve. With sherwood, it just looks as if he's constantly winging it.
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Aston Villa, where managers go to ruin their career.
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Aston Villa, where managers go to ruin their career.
I think you've got that backwards.
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Sherwood was never qualified to take this job.
Appointing him was ridiculous .
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Back home thanks to Legion. I'm becoming immune to us being shit.
And we can't afford to miss chances like that Richards header.
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If the manager of a cafe kept shitting in the slush puppy machine, he would be sacked.
Depends how niche the cafe is.
I don't think our manager shits in the machine. But apart from throwing his tea towel about he doesn't seem to know what to do about it.
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Unfortunately Tim Sherwood has been shown up as an amateur in a professional sport. It is a pity but he has to go and very quickly.
Get Nigel Pearson in before Newcastle sign him up.
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This will be the year we finally fall because Fox and Lerner, the fuck wits two, won't have the nous or balls to sack this clown of a manager and the brains or links to bring in anyone decent. We will go down this year with around 30 pts.
Who seriously would employ the last 3 managers we have? Terrible, terrible appointments, non of the fucks running the show have a clue.
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If the manager of a cafe kept shitting in the slush puppy machine, he would be sacked.
Depends if he was serving two girls with one cup.
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Don't want fat Sam anywhere near vp.
he'd get our corners working, though!
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When you start messing around with selection and tactics you give players an excuse.
The players know it is a shambles, there is no belief.
In the first half in particular, they looked like they had no idea what they were supposed to be doing.
thats because they didnt, it was just gambling when there really was no need to.
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"There'll be no escape for the princess this time."
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
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It does feel, sadly, like the road to redemption takes in a relegation. Even if in the future we get a good manager, with a good core of players that play great football, it won't come without a promotion having to be involved.
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Unfortunately Tim Sherwood has been shown up as an amateur in a professional sport. It is a pity but he has to go and very quickly.
Get Nigel Pearson in before Newcastle sign him up.
Moyes for me.
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If the manager of a cafe kept shitting in the slush puppy machine, he would be sacked.
Once is enough, Tone, surely.
How long did it take you to sack that guy, mate?
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Aston Villa, where managers go to ruin their career.
No, more like where managers without much of a career to start with get a leg up in to the big time and flounder because they're not qualified to do the job.
Stop appointing fuck wits like Lambert, Mcleish and Sherwood and we might see an improvement. None of them should have been anywhere near this club. We've gone so far backwards in 5 years it's unbelievable.
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When you start messing around with selection and tactics you give players an excuse.
The players know it is a shambles, there is no belief.
In the first half in particular, they looked like they had no idea what they were supposed to be doing.
thats because they didnt, it was just gambling when there really was no need to.
A formation you can guarantee none of them had ever played before together, more throw it all together and see what happens shit.
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As I say every week now, what is there left to say that hasn't been said a 1000 times already?
My position too Richard. I'm exhausted by getting this worked up, and I try hard not to. But 5 years and counting and even being one of the most optimistic ones I feel beaten to shit by it all.
It just saps your energy doesn't TV? I feel drained by 5pm every week now even though, bizarrely, they make me care less and less. I actually watch hardly any football now at the weekends or in the week and it's all down to year after year after year now of this unremitting shit. I sat in Bath in the sun in the week and thought how much I wished I could live there, go and watch the rugby every week, and forget all about this f*cking drain on my life
I'm fortunate living so far away in many respects with other sports and a young family. Because I now look for ways to avoid football after we have lost so you can imagine how much football I have managed to avoid. Just turning on the radio or TV and somehow a sneak at the table or a pundit mentioning how bollocks we are just brings me down. I don't need it.
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Just got in.
That was a complete and utter disorganised, ramshackle shambles.
We are a team with no discernible shape, plan, set of tactics or formation.
If Sherwood stays, this is the season we go, I have absolutely no doubt about it.
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If the manager of a cafe kept shitting in the slush puppy machine, he would be sacked.
Once is enough, Tone, surely.
How long did it take you to sack that guy, mate?
Depends on customers ...if they keep buying the slush you keep him? Problem here is that we keep turning up.
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Post match interview on WM Sherwood says "i need to keep shuffling the pack to find out what works".
He is admitting he doesn't what he is doing. This is going to be the toughest season supporting Villa yet.
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Post match interview on WM Sherwood says "i need to keep shuffling the pack to find out what works".
He is admitting he doesn't what he is doing. This is going to be the toughest season supporting Villa yet.
Wow, that's pretty uninspiring stuff, to say the least.
You shuffle a pack, it is random. That's exactly what it isn't supposed to be, Tim.
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Team sheet v Chelsea
Guzan
Amavi Lescot Richards Bacuna
Westwood Gueye
Sinclair Veretout
Gabby Gestede
Subs:
Creative player no.1
Creative player no.2
Creative player no.3
Better option no.1
Better option no.2
Stealing a living no.1
Stealing a living no.2
Am I seriously worse than Guzan? no.1
Any questions?
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Post match interview on WM Sherwood says "i need to keep shuffling the pack to find out what works".
He is admitting he doesn't what he is doing. This is going to be the toughest season supporting Villa yet.
Wow, that's pretty uninspiring stuff, to say the least.
You shuffle a pack, it is random. That's exactly what it isn't supposed to be, Tim.
On Sky he said he was worried just like the fans.
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Just got in.
That was a complete and utter disorganised, ramshackle shambles.
We are a team with no discernible shape, plan, set of tactics or formation.
If Sherwood stays, this is the season we go, I have absolutely no doubt about it.
Same here andyh. Home now and feel like going to bed. There were lot of talented players out there on our side but no F in output at all. FFS go now Tim.
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Just saw his interview on SSN. He looks lost. Surely Fox can see this? We need someone with an established, proven philosophy, even if it's Sam Allardyce. Tim's all over the fucking place. At this rate we'll be swapping divisions with b-lose. Imagine that with the new TV deal about to start.
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Post match interview on WM Sherwood says "i need to keep shuffling the pack to find out what works".
He is admitting he doesn't what he is doing. This is going to be the toughest season supporting Villa yet.
God almighty.
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Post match interview on WM Sherwood says "i need to keep shuffling the pack to find out what works".
He is admitting he doesn't what he is doing. This is going to be the toughest season supporting Villa yet.
Wow, that's pretty uninspiring stuff, to say the least.
You shuffle a pack, it is random. That's exactly what it isn't supposed to be, Tim.
That is crazy
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From the beeb
Aston Villa manager Tim Sherwood: "I am very disappointed, we needed to win the game at home to a team that we could have leapfrogged.
"We failed to capitalise and it was not good enough. I think a draw would have been a fair result, both teams were average.
"The situation is getting worse, it is alright saying ifs, buts and maybes, but we are not picking up the wins and that is why we are down near the bottom of the league.
"We are all in this together but as the manager I take all the responsibility.
"I will use the international break to get my players fitter because they are not fit enough yet to play the way I want them to play. For some of them it will be like a mini pre-season."
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Indefensible today again. he picks his teams with the use of a dice and a board - if he has no idea of his best starting 11 after 8 months here - well that should be a sackable offence for a start . 5 at the back against Stoke at home ....... I could fucking weep
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Surely he bought these players with an idea of how they would fit together? Or am I being naive ?
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Why will it be like a mini pre-season, out of interest?
Why wasn't this done in actual pre-season?
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If the manager of a cafe kept shitting in the slush puppy machine, he would be sacked.
Depends how niche the cafe is.
I don't think our manager shits in the machine. But apart from throwing his tea towel about he doesn't seem to know what to do about it.
Funnily enough there's a 'The Slush Puppy Shitters' opening up in Shoreditch pretty soon.
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1-0 down in the 95th minute, we get a corner and we take it short. And we can't even do that wrong thing correctly. Drove hom deeply regretting renewing my season ticket and wishing the whole club would sod off forever.
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Whose fault is it that are players aren't fit in enough in October Tim? That has to be one of the shittest excuses for being shit that i've ever heard.
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From the beeb
"I will use the international break to get my players fitter because they are not fit enough yet to play the way I want them to play. For some of them it will be like a mini pre-season."
Jesus weeps.
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If the manager of a cafe kept shitting in the slush puppy machine, he would be sacked.
Depends how niche the cafe is.
I don't think our manager shits in the machine. But apart from throwing his tea towel about he doesn't seem to know what to do about it.
Actually in Scarborough I doubt that's a sackable offence.
Funnily enough there's a 'The Slush Puppy Shitters' opening up in Shoreditch pretty soon.
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Our corners are staggeringly shit. Charlie Adam took one in the second that was a beauty even if we did clear it ok, ours are just shit. And we can't even just blame it on Westwood, they were no better after he went off.
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Devoid of creativity, it is going to be a long season... I like TS a lot but he is out of depth here and his coaches don't seem to be helping.
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Whose fault is it that are players aren't fit in enough in October Tim? That has to be one of the shittest excuses for being shit that i've ever heard.
He should be sacked for this one thing if not many other errors.
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Just saw his interview on SSN. He looks lost. Surely Fox can see this? We need someone with an established, proven philosophy, even if it's Sam Allardyce. Tim's all over the fucking place. At this rate we'll be swapping divisions with b-lose. Imagine that with the new TV deal about to start.
A perfect illustration of why it was insanity/utter incompetence to a) hire a manger with no proven track record and b) not invest heavily (i.e. a bigger net spend than 4-5m) in the squad to ensure we are still around to get the big bucks next season. At least Doug could run a corner shop, Lerner and Fox would be out of their depth running a hot dog stand.
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Team sheet v Chelsea
Guzan
Amavi Lescot Richards Bacuna
Westwood Gueye
Sinclair Veretout
Gabby Gestede
Subs:
Creative player no.1
Creative player no.2
Creative player no.3
Better option no.1
Better option no.2
Stealing a living no.1
Stealing a living no.2
Am I seriously worse than Guzan? no.1
Any questions?
442?
With Westwood as one of the 2 in the middle?
Have we got a red carpet and a couple of ushers to make sure Matic and Fabregas know where the fuck off, huge hole straight to our goal will be?
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Post match interview on WM Sherwood says "i need to keep shuffling the pack to find out what works".
He is admitting he doesn't what he is doing. This is going to be the toughest season supporting Villa yet.
Wow, that's pretty uninspiring stuff, to say the least.
You shuffle a pack, it is random. That's exactly what it isn't supposed to be, Tim.
That is crazy
Yes, and he holds no aces and is out of trump cards as well.
Any other half decent team would've beaten a very mediocre Stoke team who kept helping by giving us the ball back, but unfortunately we don't meet he half decent criteria.
The formation seemed so wrong in a must-win home game.
Hutton (no end product), Richards (apart from goal and an absolute sitter) and Gana were the only ones who could take much from that.
I cannot see where another point is coming from let alone another win. OK it's only 8 games but not many teams survive after getting just 4 points.
I believed TS when he said we wouldn't be in the same position again, but I didn't know it meant we would be in an even more parlous position.
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Our corners are staggeringly shit. Charlie Adam took one in the second that was a beauty even if we did clear it ok, ours are just shit. And we can't even just blame it on Westwood, they were no better after he went off.
To be fair, I think Jack whips in a decent ball. Regardless, doesn't exactly look like an England international does he?
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From the beeb
"I will use the international break to get my players fitter because they are not fit enough yet to play the way I want them to play. For some of them it will be like a mini pre-season."
Jesus weeps.
The headless chicken approach requires a lot of stamina
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Post match interview on WM Sherwood says "i need to keep shuffling the pack to find out what works".
He is admitting he doesn't what he is doing. This is going to be the toughest season supporting Villa yet.
If he doesn't have a clear idea of how he wants his team to play, he should not be a manager. Maybe a coach. But not a manager.
That comment pretty much takes out any pretence of long-term, joined-up thinking, and fists it to within an inch of its sorry life.
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What the fuck was that? Flabbergasted.
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If you shuffle the pack and it comes up with 5 at the back against Stoke at home, take a fucking mulligan and have another go because you don't have to be a genius to work out that isn't going to work. Every single person on the match thread called it. All complete amateurs just with a knowledge from watching football from afar could tell just looking at the 11 names it was going to equal bugger all and would need changing at half time.
He's not just shuffling his cards each game to stumble on something he's doing it every 45 minutes. Is it possible to appoint a worse manager than Lambore? I think we might have done it.
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How are they not fucking fit enough in October?! Nonsense
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Mr. Sherwood....it is not a game of cards you stupid sod , so stop making such bloody stupid comments...other managers must be bloody laughing at you..!!! A decent chairman would be shaking his head at you !!! Imagine a brain surgeon making those comments...ffs Sherwood take responsibility.
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He's like a compulsive gambler who is getting more and more desperate and ends up ruining everyone's life around him.
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He's like a compulsive gambler who is getting more and more desperate and ends up ruining everyone's life around him.
Compulsive bull shitter more like. He's come out with some strange shit this season. The jobs too big for him.
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Post match interview on WM Sherwood says "i need to keep shuffling the pack to find out what works".
He is admitting he doesn't what he is doing. This is going to be the toughest season supporting Villa yet.
If he doesn't have a clear idea of how he wants his team to play, he should not be a manager. Maybe a coach. But not a manager.
That comment pretty much takes out any pretence of long-term, joined-up thinking, and fists it to within an inch of its sorry life.
Sherwood has said exactly what everyone is thinking, he just keeps rolling the dice hoping it works. What the fool doesn't realise is that if he had started the Liverpool game with the the team that finished against Blues and gone for the jugular he might have got a result. The team has no chance of gelling whilst he keeps chopping and changing. The thing that really grates me is that when a player has a decent game like Gil v Leicester and Ayew v Blues, they don't get a sniff the next game, talk about confidence destroying.
Tim is clueless and he needs to go.
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Go for Rowett! I can see Blues getting promoted and Villa relegated!
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I honestly dont think Fitness is the issue Tim. Setting the Team out incorrectly would be my starting point.
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What an utter, disgraceful pile of shit that was. Couldn't believe the line up when I heard it - exactly where was the creativity - oh, that's right, all sat on the bench. The team that finished the game should have been the one that started the game. The man hasn't got a fucking clue. But the players aren't exempt from criticism - Richards missed a sitter, and ffs a short corner in the last minute of time added on and players in the box. The club is a complete shambles. And now we need to win two and hope teams above us lose games just to get out the bottom three - we are firmly cut adrift and, without a Benteke to get the goals we need, I really can't see us staying up with this chancer in charge - he is simply out of his depth.
We've got 2 weeks now to sort this out and the first thing we need to do is get rid of Sherwood and get someone in who can stabilise us, keep us up so we're here for when the big money kicks in, then move on from there. I never thought I'd hear myself say this but it may need to be Allardyce for a couple of years, or maybe Sean Dyche, or even (God forbid) Nigel Pearson - then look for something more progressive in a couple of years. One thing's for sure - keep Sherwood and we're down
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Abject.
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This guy has managed to make us feel as low as we ever have , we've lost our status as a big club and are continuously embarrassed on our own ground to the likes of Stoke ,how much longer do we have to endure this, I can see where the Geordies boycott idea came from but with Lerner as owner we are just pissing in the wind on a ferry 😡
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This guy has managed to make us feel as low as we ever have , we've lost our status as a big club and are continuously embarrassed on our own ground to the likes of Stoke ,how much longer do we have to endure this, I can see where the Geordies boycott idea came from but with Lerner as owner we are just pissing in the wind on a ferry 😡
I don't think highlighting the barcodes boycott is particularly useful. It hasn't done a lot for them has it?
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Anyone want to exchange my AV season ticket for one at Legs 11 please. At least I would see some proper boobs instead of TS's usual ones!!
Someone said we will finish with 30 points but, with TS in charge I think 13 points at the outside. Like others, when I saw the line up I couldn't believe it. For my part the pre match hype of a standing ovation is utter garbage - people usually get that if they have performed. So, for starters get rid of the little dancing mascot and get a proper lion and, reserve our standing ovation only if our team merits that at the end of the game.
PS: If TS hasn't been sacked yet then we are heading for league 1 the season after next. As you can tell, I'm more than a little pissed off that the hierarchy at the club just don't seem to have a clue
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Go for Rowett! I can see Blues getting promoted and Villa relegated!
I'd take him
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From the beeb
"I will use the international break to get my players fitter because they are not fit enough yet to play the way I want them to play. For some of them it will be like a mini pre-season."
Jesus weeps.
And let's face it we haven't got many internationals in the side.
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Its truly shocking to accrue 4 points from that run off games. Looking very ominious this year with this management and squad. Cant see us getting 10 points by xmas.
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He's like a compulsive gambler who is getting more and more desperate and ends up ruining everyone's life around him.
Compulsive bull shitter more like. He's come out with some strange shit this season. The jobs too big for him.
Tim Sherwood interview.
(https://attackofthecouchpotato.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/society-1989-movie-5.jpg)
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The end of last season, obviously including the cup final, and beginning of this have been just about the most dispiriting period since our relegation to the 3rd division. We're absolutely clueless.
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What was wrong with Sherwoods whole demeanour from about 15 mins from the end ( plus 5 mins injury time).
He was slumped in his seat, arms folded, like a man who knows the game is up.
WINNING MENTALITY?
More fucking bullshit, Sherwood?
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To be fair we have lost a one goal in two striker and two very decent midfielders.
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Match review plus interview with TSM (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34366599)
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I love this club and wont turn my back on them as others either have or may do.
It was painful witnessing that today.
We are a talented side who Sherwood can't get to gel.
So we sack Sherwood...who next - Allerdyce? Pearson? They aren't up to the job either. Rowett - does he have the experience we need? No. So who the f**k comes in?
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To be fair we have lost a one goal in two striker and two very decent midfielders.
Southampton lost the heart of their team a year ago. But invested well with a decent manager. We lack the latter.
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To be fair we have lost a one goal in two striker and two very decent midfielders.
Southampton lost the heart of their team a year ago. But invested well with a decent manager. We lack the latter.
Exactly. They are the perfect example of what can happen with quality management.
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Murinho must be thanking the gods that he has Villa next up.
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We played well for an hour at Leicester so why change the way we played completely he is clueless
We are going down thus season and with a whimper
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To be fair we have lost a one goal in two striker and two very decent midfielders.
is that meant to be a defence of sherwood? This s a poor league and we're being embarrassed by all three promoted clubs. At least toon and mackems can say theyve had a tough start
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We will be as good as down by Christmas I'm afraid.
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We played well for an hour at Leicester so why change the way we played completely he is clueless
We are going down thus season and with a whimper
Exactly . For all of 30 minutes, that was a good performance. So the need to change systems tells me he has got an effing clue.
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Well least Chelsea no they have three points sorted next game to take the pressure off Jose
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I genuinely don't understand the thinking behind the tactics.
Why go five at the back against Stoke? And then play three midfielders who tend to sit deep and hardly ever make runs into the box. Against fucking Stoke. At home. So we're going to lump it to the big man. Because as everyone knows, Stoke are shit at defending against that kind of thing. For fuck's sake.
Playing three central defenders is not easy, everyone knows it's tricky for the players to get used to. So Sherwood brilliantly decides he's going to not only play three CBs, but he's going to make one of them the new boy who hasn't even played for us and has no experience in the Premier League.
Then, when the time comes to inevitably make the change to a back four, he takes off the experienced old hand whose main problem is a lack of pace - because Stoke are just brimming with pace, aren't they? - and leaves on the new boy, who promptly gets caught out of position miles away from the other centre-half, and Arnautovic gets left in about 10 square yards of space in the box to score.
Honestly, could none of those geniuses sat in the dugout have spotted this coming?
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Christ that was appalling. Knew we were in trouble as soon as I saw the team sheet. What a disgraceful, negative, boring starting 11.
Just not good enough for Aston Villa.
These last 5 years have been a fuckin disgrace to the club. Shame on you, Randy Lerner and your lack of ambition and pride in this club.
Let's just hope we stay in this league by hook or by crook.
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I genuinely don't understand the thinking behind the tactics.
Why go five at the back against Stoke? And then play three midfielders who tend to sit deep and hardly ever make runs into the box. Against fucking Stoke. At home. So we're going to lump it to the big man. Because as everyone knows, Stoke are shit at defending against that kind of thing. For fuck's sake.
Playing three central defenders is not easy, everyone knows it's tricky for the players to get used to. So Sherwood brilliantly decides he's going to not only play three CBs, but he's going to make one of them the new boy who hasn't even played for us and has no experience in the Premier League.
Then, when the time comes to inevitably make the change to a back four, he takes off the experienced old hand whose main problem is a lack of pace - because Stoke are just brimming with pace, aren't they? - and leaves on the new boy, who promptly gets caught out of position miles away from the other centre-half, and Arnautovic gets left in about 10 square yards of space in the box to score.
Honestly, could none of those geniuses sat in the dugout have spotted this coming?
Perfectly summed up his ineptitude.
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Almost a carbon copy of the West Brom game really. A few positives - thought Gana and Veretout looked better and Richards had another good game. I thought Gil was good when he came on I have to question why he isn't starting in the number 10 role. Overall though it was not a good performance and our delivery in the final third was awful.
What exactly does Ray Wilkins do during a game?
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To be fair we have lost a one goal in two striker and two very decent midfielders.
And spent £50m replacing them. We are a team cobbled together by a bull shitter pretending to be a top division manager. He has no shape or style he wants us to play. He needed to cut his teeth in the lower leagues and had a few years in the Premier before taking on such a tough job, he's sinking.
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In which case if he does go I do not want us fcuking about with another unproven at this level manager who as soon as he rocks up forms a grey figure caught in the headlights within weeks. So that rules Rowett out. It can only be someone like Allardyce or Moyes. No more taking chances.
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My fear is when we drop, we will quickly be the new Sheffield Weds, forgotten and cut loose into the wilderness for decades.
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By the way can someone post that picture doing the rounds the last of the clueless winos one. It is quite funny.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34366599 (ftp://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34366599)
Just take a moment to look at the link and the bbc report has a player map showing on average where each player was positioned.
Stoke has a lovely spread around the pitch.
We have 3 central midfielders all within 5 yards of each other, completely bypassed most of the time by the other team.
We have Hutton, Alan fucking Hutton as our most advanced player bar Sinclair and Gestede.
We have a massive gap at the heart of defence.
It looks as stupid as it was. What is going on behind the scenes?
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As I say every week now, what is there left to say that hasn't been said a 1000 times already?
My position too Richard. I'm exhausted by getting this worked up, and I try hard not to. But 5 years and counting and even being one of the most optimistic ones I feel beaten to shit by it all.
It just saps your energy doesn't TV? I feel drained by 5pm every week now even though, bizarrely, they make me care less and less. I actually watch hardly any football now at the weekends or in the week and it's all down to year after year after year now of this unremitting shit. I sat in Bath in the sun in the week and thought how much I wished I could live there, go and watch the rugby every week, and forget all about this f*cking drain on my life
I'm fortunate living so far away in many respects with other sports and a young family. Because I now look for ways to avoid football after we have lost so you can imagine how much football I have managed to avoid. Just turning on the radio or TV and somehow a sneak at the table or a pundit mentioning how bollocks we are just brings me down. I don't need it.
Same. I care less and less, mainly as a self defence mechanism. I think someone else mentioned in another thread no English team has gone for such long stretches without league wins as Villa the past few years? Anyway it feels like it.
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I haven't watched Motd for weeks now
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Completely clueless lineup and formation from TS. As confirmed in his post match interviews, he is genuinely making it up as he goes along. TS is completely out of his depth and is drowning in his own bullshit.
Positives:
We were still in the game after a non-event of a first half where both teams were as bad as each other and neither team looked like scoring.
We were pretty much all over them in the second half but without any movement we never looked like scoring (not the first time I've said that this season).
We are capable of playing good passing football with Grealish and Gil on the pitch.
Things can't get much worse in terms of results and league position.
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Has as been said by many for weeks now, the guy is a chancer, he's throwing formations and players together in the hope that one clicks, its fucking ludicrous and the fact he admitted as much in his post match interview should be enough too warrant a p45, it won't though of course, he'll be allowed to carry on for months aimlessly throwing shit together, he'll pick up the odd result here and there, maybe enough to scrape 17th and then we'll be right back here again next year. Woop-de-fucking-doo!
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Not in the least bit surprised by the result - it doesn't even hurt that much so the losing mentality has spread to me too. We are down this year unless we get a competent manager - TS was a breath of fresh air at the end of last season but the warning signs were there. Big big trouble, three defeats out of four at home already I do believe and already a gap appearing between the bottom teams and mid table.
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We pinged the ball around with no end product. As soon as stoke got the ball they got forward very quick. We had no answer besides last ditch tackles.
No creativity no excitement. Terrible.
We are as dead as disco unless timbo goes. Cant see us picking up any points anytime soon....
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As I say every week now, what is there left to say that hasn't been said a 1000 times already?
Yep it's something we've been seeing on a regular basis since about 2004 tbh. Bar the mad MON 3 year spending spell we have been producing mediocre results and performances at premier league level for a very long time now although it's getting worse and eventually that will be it and I think as it stands our goose will finally be cooked this season.
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How are they not fucking fit enough in October?! Nonsense
Its just words Paul. It is obvious to one and all that he does not have a clue what he is doing. Problem is he will still be there in December making excuses.
Its bloody depressing. I thought Richards generally played well and Carles Gil when he got on the pitch.
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When your 'game plan' consists of using Alan Hutton as your creativity then its probably time to seek a career in other fields to be honest.
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When your 'game plan' consists of using Alan Hutton as your creativity then its probably time to seek a career in other fields to be honest.
Hutton's been our main creative outlet for ages now.
My theory is that the opposition managers all know this, and instruct their players to let him have the ball, because he only actually does anything threatening once every five games.
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Just got back and to be honest I expected to lose the game. TS is clueless, he's talked his way into a job at one of the top British clubs and our clueless board fell for it.
I haven't missed a home league or cup game this season not that there has been many, but I will not be going for a while whilst that clown is managing the team.
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Well lescott don't seem too upset he's on this piss in London with Stephen Ireland as we speak
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Completely clueless lineup and formation from TS. As confirmed in his post match interviews, he is genuinely making it up as he goes along. TS is completely out of his depth and is drowning in his own bullshit.
Positives:
We were still in the game after a non-event of a first half where both teams were as bad as each other and neither team looked like scoring.
We were pretty much all over them in the second half but without any movement we never looked like scoring (not the first time I've said that this season).
We are capable of playing good passing football with Grealish and Gil on the pitch.
Things can't get much worse in terms of results and league position.
Oh yes they can. Results can get much much worse yet and we will soon be bottom. Or are we already, I can't even be arsed to look?
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Wonder if he is as slow getting to the bar...
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Richards is out on it too
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When Hutton gets forward he always looks like bambi on ice.
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Richards is out on it too
He deserves a beer.
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Well lescott don't seem too upset he's on this piss in London with Stephen Ireland as we speak
Pair of has beens, if Ireland was ever any good in the first place.
For Lescott and the rest its just a big pay day. Who gives a flying fvck for avfc apart from us fans
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Richards is out on it too
He deserves a beer.
Does he fuck. Missed a sitter, was one of the centre backs that parted like the red sea and if he had any bollocks as a captain he'd grab Westwood by the scruff and tell him if he touches another set piece he's getting a head butt.
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Westwood's corners are like an Orwellian nightmare.
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Most clubs the manager would be gone by now but not Villa, we will wait until it is impossible to avoid the drop then sack him. Get rid of him now you idiots.
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Richards is out on it too
Source?
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We are far too nice and stupid. We will give him til after Xmas when it's too late then write him a cheque for £8m and then appoint Dick Advocaat
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Richards is out on it too
Excusing my ignorance but how do we know this?
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Maybe seeing them all get on a train?
That would by my guess.
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Richards is out on it too
Excusing my ignorance but how do we know this?
My mate is stood in the same bar as them
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Taxi for Tim!!! I never in my wildest dreams imagined we could replace such a clueless manager with one just as clueless.
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More clueless. Lambo lasted a lot longer.
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Richards is out on it too
Source?
no, sauce
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They were all at the Rosewood Hotel bar in Holborn certainly 30 mins ago, something to do with Vincent Kompany or his Mrs birthday. I'm getting texts on this but can't be arsed with any of it anymore.
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He's clueless. He cannot organise a side in either defence of attack.
The goal was abysmal. Richards is never a centre half. He has no sense of position and got the wrong side of his man and then was caught way out of position, with Anoutavich unmarked, between the posts, 20 yards from goal. Unbelievably poor.
Westwood. He should go back to the fourth division where he belongs. He's utter garbage.
What on earth was that system in the first half? Stoke were utter bilge, yet they had it so easy, for the third year running. This says it all.
That's four on the spin and I cannot see anything but that turning into 9 on the spin as the next five sides we play have the nouse to expose or massive lack of organisation.
We are remarkably four points adrift after home games against Sunderland, Stoke and West Brom where we have scored two and taken one point. It's chronic. There is more than a whiff of relegation about us.
It's not a certainty, as there are good players there, badly coached and even more poorly organised. The manager is the cause of this. He's a fool. Chalk his name up alongside Houlier, McLiesh and Lambert as part of the steady stream of morons to take the reigns. It's like the Crisis of the Third Century as incompetent pretender replaces incompetent pretender.
There is something to salvage, but we have got to act now. We won't though. Fox hung on to an idiot like Lambert until it was almost too late. The fact that Sherwood is his appointment suggests he will hold on to the bitter end. On such terms, the turd that we've become will finally be flushed.
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He's clueless. He cannot organise a side in either defence of attack.
The goal was abysmal. Richards is never a centre half. He has no sense of position and got the wrong side of his man and then was caught way out of position, with Anoutavich unmarked, between the posts, 20 yards from goal. Unbelievably poor.
Westwood. He should go back to the fourth division where he belongs. He's utter garbage.
What on earth was that system in the first half? Stoke were utter bilge, yet they had it so easy, for the third year running. This says it all.
That's four on the spin and I cannot see anything but that turning into 9 on the spin as the next five sides we play have the nouse to expose or massive lack of organisation.
We are remarkably four points adrift after home games against Sunderland, Stoke and West Brom where we have scored two and taken one point. It's chronic. There is more than a whiff of relegation about us.
It's not a certainty, as there are good players there, badly coached and even more poorly organised. The manager is the cause of this. He's a fool. Chalk his name up alongside Houlier, McLiesh and Lambert as part of the steady stream of morons to take the reigns. It's like the Crisis of the Third Century as incompetent pretender replaces incompetent pretender.
There is something to salvage, but we have got to act now. We won't though. Fox hung on to an idiot like Lambert until it was almost too late. The fact that Sherwood is his appointment suggests he will hold on to the bitter end. On such terms, the turd that we've become will finally be flushed.
Post of the month, well done that man.
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Well said Ads, harsh on Westwood though who might be useful for us next season.
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Well said Ads, harsh on Westwood though who might be useful for us next season.
Westwood would be a lower Championship level player. There are a fair few centre mids in the top half of that division that are better than him, he's as much use as soggy bog roll.
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Westwood will get steam rollered in the championship. He's a league 1 player
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Well that was the first game for my 6 year old son. What a clusterf**k of a performance. We are championship bound for sure. The manager, team and owner are clueless. The only joy on the journey back to Preston was that my son said he'd like to go again. Obviously still the innocence of youth.
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He's clueless. He cannot organise a side in either defence of attack.
The goal was abysmal. Richards is never a centre half. He has no sense of position and got the wrong side of his man and then was caught way out of position, with Anoutavich unmarked, between the posts, 20 yards from goal. Unbelievably poor.
Westwood. He should go back to the fourth division where he belongs. He's utter garbage.
What on earth was that system in the first half? Stoke were utter bilge, yet they had it so easy, for the third year running. This says it all.
That's four on the spin and I cannot see anything but that turning into 9 on the spin as the next five sides we play have the nouse to expose or massive lack of organisation.
We are remarkably four points adrift after home games against Sunderland, Stoke and West Brom where we have scored two and taken one point. It's chronic. There is more than a whiff of relegation about us.
It's not a certainty, as there are good players there, badly coached and even more poorly organised. The manager is the cause of this. He's a fool. Chalk his name up alongside Houlier, McLiesh and Lambert as part of the steady stream of morons to take the reigns. It's like the Crisis of the Third Century as incompetent pretender replaces incompetent pretender.
There is something to salvage, but we have got to act now. We won't though. Fox hung on to an idiot like Lambert until it was almost too late. The fact that Sherwood is his appointment suggests he will hold on to the bitter end. On such terms, the turd that we've become will finally be flushed.
Post of the month, well done that man.
Of course one abhors the fecal metaphor, but it must be said that this is something like the truth.
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Christ that was appalling. Knew we were in trouble as soon as I saw the team sheet. What a disgraceful, negative, boring starting 11.
Just not good enough for Aston Villa.
These last 5 years have been a fuckin disgrace to the club. Shame on you, Randy Lerner and your lack of ambition and pride in this club.
Let's just hope we stay in this league by hook or by crook.
Never thought I'd see the day where we'd set up a team at home which was intended to bore STOKE CITY into submission.
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Well lescott don't seem too upset he's on this piss in London with Stephen Ireland as we speak
Pair of has beens, if Ireland was ever any good in the first place.
For Lescott and the rest its just a big pay day. Who gives a flying fvck for avfc apart from us fans
Well lescott don't seem too upset he's on this piss in London with Stephen Ireland as we speak
Pair of has beens, if Ireland was ever any good in the first place.
For Lescott and the rest its just a big pay day. Who gives a flying fvck for avfc apart from us fans
lescott is turning out to be a very bad signing. Another one of those players who just looked a poor match after always giving it the bigun after scoring against us. The boggies will be pissing themselves
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I think questions need to be asked of Sherwood now. He has messed up on many occasions now and he still does not accept that. I got lambasted after the Blues game as his tactics were awful, but people were saying he should be praised for changing it, he should not have started like he did. Things have just got bad to worse and todays team selection was awful. If he wants to give Grealish a break fair enough, put Gil in.
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After seeing lescott playing for the Smethwick tossers last season against us I just don't know why we would sign him.
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To be fair he got their player of the season
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tactically clueless , lescott and Crespo can right off.
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I just don't see any pace upfront or movement that will unsettle teams. The lack of width is also a worry with no natural winger in our squad. Ayew, despite how shit he has looked at times, has to play as we need someone who can run beyond otherwise teams are just going to squeeze us and put pressure on our leaky back line. The lack of midfield support is also killing us. To play without Grealish or Gil was criminal.
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Ayew looked ok again when he came on. Did well a few times and looked like he was starting to settle, always wanted the ball and was willing to have a go. If he backheel had fallen for Veretout it would have been a lovely move.
The latter should start from now on, with Westwood getting splinters and Grealish and Gil in the side.
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Can anyone tell me why Scott Sinclair is being played as a second forward? He's crap, he should be out wide or not in the side for me.
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If the manager of a cafe kept shitting in the slush puppy machine, he would be sacked.
That's a good point.
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Too many safe passes though in midfield. Sinclair made some good runs in the first half but was woefully isolated and ended up running into trouble. Hutton also got into a great position to cross at one stage, put in a decent ball but there was no one anywhere near the penalty box.
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He's clueless. He cannot organise a side in either defence of attack.
The goal was abysmal. Richards is never a centre half. He has no sense of position and got the wrong side of his man and then was caught way out of position, with Anoutavich unmarked, between the posts, 20 yards from goal. Unbelievably poor.
Westwood. He should go back to the fourth division where he belongs. He's utter garbage.
What on earth was that system in the first half? Stoke were utter bilge, yet they had it so easy, for the third year running. This says it all.
That's four on the spin and I cannot see anything but that turning into 9 on the spin as the next five sides we play have the nouse to expose or massive lack of organisation.
We are remarkably four points adrift after home games against Sunderland, Stoke and West Brom where we have scored two and taken one point. It's chronic. There is more than a whiff of relegation about us.
It's not a certainty, as there are good players there, badly coached and even more poorly organised. The manager is the cause of this. He's a fool. Chalk his name up alongside Houlier, McLiesh and Lambert as part of the steady stream of morons to take the reigns. It's like the Crisis of the Third Century as incompetent pretender replaces incompetent pretender.
There is something to salvage, but we have got to act now. We won't though. Fox hung on to an idiot like Lambert until it was almost too late. The fact that Sherwood is his appointment suggests he will hold on to the bitter end. On such terms, the turd that we've become will finally be flushed.
Post of the month, well done that man.
Of course one abhors the fecal metaphor, but it must be said that this is something like the truth.
Depressingly spot on.
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And whilst I am at it, Gestede's hold up play needs to improve. We need him to bully defenders and allow support to get into dangerous areas. It's just not happening especially when he can't trap a bag of cement or win a header outside the box. It's just all so wrong!
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Can anyone tell me why Scott Sinclair is being played as a second forward? He's crap, he should be out wide or not in the side for me.
He should not be starting. Had an odd Villa career. Started off, scored a few goals, got injured and then barely featured for the rest of the season.
This season he seems undroppable on account of a hattrick v a league 2 team and scoring two, one of which was a pen against an awful Sunderland team.
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And whilst I am at it, Gestede's hold up play needs to improve. We need him to bully defenders and allow support to get into dangerous areas. It's just not happening especially when he can't trap a bag of cement or win a header outside the box. It's just all so wrong!
Gestede is crap at everything which isn't heading chances home.
I've seen pit ponies with better technique on the deck, and for a big man he doesn't even win many aerial duels.
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Physically weak, mentally weak....losers before they take the field! Richards aside not one of them looked like they wanted to take any responsibility - I don't buy this confidence BS, it's been like this for 5 years, needs some tough love, a horrible manager who doesn't try to be their mate & crowd properly booing crap, none of this 'get behind the lads' pink & fluffy garbage - they need to earn our respect, at the moment players, manager & board have earnt nothing but contempt!!!
Guzan - inches away from being lobbed from 60 odd yds - always looks frantic & distribution terrifies - not getting a first team keeper might be TS biggest mistake!
Hutton - once, just feckin once when you reach the byline get a ball past the first defender
Amavi - bang average today
Richards - our most positive forward force - sad but true!
Lescott - anyone thought of telling him that piece of paper he signed was a contract not his early retirement forms?
Crespo - first game so cut some slack
Westwood - if I never see him and his utter garbage repertoire of one corner tactic again I won't be sad, I honestly think you could drill half a dozen amateurs to defend against us at set pieces in a week and we wouldn't score - the ball is floated 5yds past the penalty spot every time - pathetic, pointless, impotent!
Veretout - did OK, sad we'll ruin him playing week in week out in a team of wimps
Gana - tried but ultimately had nothing in front of him
Gestede - lost out in aerial battle, offers sweet fa on the ground, doesn't seem capable of holding a ball to let others join - think Sherwood needs to get his thumb out of his arse & get Kozak around squad as Gestede looks a player who knows he is going to be picked every week to let the team hammer it long and long
Sinclair - what does he bring to the party? Worse first touch than Gabby, first touch just dictates how far he has to run to get the second touch. Challenges Jack for the biggest wuss in terms of challenging opponents - don't mind carrying a good player - he is a million miles from that.
Jack - wimp in the tackle, no real threat, admittedly nothing in front to inspire.
Ayew - not great but must start next 2/3 games, give him his chance
Gil - very good going sideways, look forward to seeing if he can go forwards?
This squad has got to grow up quickly, we'll be down by new year if they don't step up the work rate & take responsibility
Time to exit soapbox before expletives start!!
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As good a start he made earlier in the year, and as good as his transfer work looked in the summer, if we're still in the bottom 3 on 1-11 I would get rid and bring in someone more seasoned. It would be interesting then to see whether someone else can actually get more out of these apparently good new signings we made.
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I can't be Arsed to type my reasons so I'll just say this. Nowhere near good enough, no signs of improvement, no idea of formation or plan. Sack Sherwood tomorrow. He's clearly utterly in over his fat head.
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One thing that did amuse me today, there was a Stoke fan acting an absolute bellend towards the Lower North, thinking he was the dogs bollocks etc. Less than a minute later he was face down at the side of the pitch with a bunch of stewards on him before being cuffed and carted off. After getting over the hoardings to continue to give it the big one after they scored. A disallowed goal.
It amused me anyway to see karma strike for once.
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A few reasons from the horses mouth why we're so shit and why he's not the man for the job...
On playing three at the back…
We need to find ways to get crosses into the box to Rudy more than we have done because at the moment he is our main threat to score goals.
He has proved this over the last few weeks.
But we didn't do that well enough in the first period.
We didn't get the balls out to Hutton and Amavi no way near enough.
So we changed it half-time to find another way.
I thought we took the game to them better in the second period but we never had that one person who could show that maverick ingredient to do something really special.
Unfortunately that was missing today.
...so we can basically expect more of the same crap whilst he experiments with formations and lineups to get the ball out wide to deliver crosses to Gestede. Exceptional gameplan from Timmeh!
On trying to work out the best way…
I think the team selection shows that every week.
We are trying to find the right way.
You can't persevere with a team that hasn't won.
You have to keep jigging it around and find the best solution.
At the moment, I haven't done that.
I am the manager of the football and take sole responsibility for the performances and results.
That's my job and I understand that fully.
...yep flicking through your Beginners Guide to Football Formations Timmeh...I'm sure you'll find a few that you can shortlist and try in the next 2 halves against Chelsea.
On signs of encouragement…
They are there in patches, not on a consistent basis I will be honest.
I see good possession in patches. It's a little bit boring at times - passing the ball square and backwards too much.
I want it passed forward.
Sometimes you need someone on the pitch who can open people up - drop their shoulder.
At the moment, we haven't got that.
...at least he's not the only one bored of watching Westwood passing it sideways and backwards.
And just in case you want this source, this shite is straight from the horses mouth on the OS.
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God almighty that's an embarrassing interview. His plan is a mixture of the cringeworthily basic ('Big Man Get Ball In Box Ug') and the hopelessly desperate ('we need someone to just like be magic and win the game from nowhere' please). Literally, it's hoof and hope. And tell everyone about it in the press. Horrendous.
The worst thing is how he tries to act the noble captain of the ship, taking responsibility, but then he just goes on and on about the players messing up. He's a moral coward and responsibility shirker, as well as a gobshite and a fraud.
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Pretty good summary of the latest tactical mistakes from our Timmeh:
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Mike-Pejic-Tim-Sherwood-s-hopeless-tactics-played/story-27917237-detail/story.html
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I'd be prepared to give him more time if he didn't talk such utter bollocks after each defeat. I thought we'd seen the back of that with Lambert.
His comments above and those after Leicester in particular are scary. Saying he's responsible but then blaming players.
He gone into total self preservation mode.
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Was undecided as to whether to sack him or not in the poll last week, but his total lack of conviction to stay with a formation, rightly or wrongly on something I am sure the team have worked on all week and give it up after 45 minutes, shows not only a total lack of tactical ability but also a lack of conviction in his own beliefs. I thought it was the wrong formation, but after about 15 minutes it looked better, not good but better and the important thing we need at the moment is not to lose, whether that be against Stoke or fing Newcastle. Then within 10 minutes of the change the middle of our defence is split open like a grape and we are one down.
Grealish needs to also up his game, the talent is there and some times he needs to take the opportunity and grab the game by the throat. Gill looked alot more dangerous when he came on, but as stated many times already lack of movement means lack of opportunity for our more gifted players to produce.
Then to me the straw that breaks the camel's back, the fitness statement, we are nearly a quarter a way through the season and the players need a mini pre season to get them fit, WTF.
The guy needs to go and learn his trade, but somewhere like Wycombe, Aldershot not at Aston Villa. Sorry to say, but this season is going to be the one that catches up on us.
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He clearly isn't a manager, maybe a coach but not at VP.
Fox needs to pull the pin now and start again, that said we don't have a forward at the club nor a regular goal scoring midfielder so even if Fox were to get SAF in it would take until the January window to correct the nightmare Sherwood has got us into.
I think this is the season, finally as we have been taking the place of a club that might want to at least "give it a go" for the last 5 years.
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At least Lambert mumbled and whilst everyone knew he was talking shite the actual words were unknown in parts.
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On watching the replay there were some plusses, Vertout looks as if he could be a player Richards although he missed a sitter is the best player on our books, Gil should start every game and Gana would be great in a better side on the flip side Gestede is hopeless Westwood ditto and overall we have a team of wimps with no fight no backbone and i am bloody fuming.
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Can someone explain to me when we have a corner with 1 minute left, why it is played short rather than putting the ball into the box?
Obvious answer is we don't have a player who can take a corner (or indeed a free kick) but that decision was moronic and even more insulting when the 10yard pass went to a Stoke player.
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Can someone explain to me when we have a corner with 1 minute left, why it is played short rather than putting the ball into the box?
Obvious answer is we don't have a player who can take a corner (or indeed a free kick) but that decision was moronic and even more insulting when the 10yard pass went to a Stoke player.
It's because our players are thick and our game management sucks, hence why we concede so many late goals.
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Pretty good summary of the latest tactical mistakes from our Timmeh:
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Mike-Pejic-Tim-Sherwood-s-hopeless-tactics-played/story-27917237-detail/story.html
Spot on that, when the team was announced we were in the pub. The general feeling was 'he has seen Stoke play in the last three years hasn't he, he does know Pulis has gone?'
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352 at home to stoke
players not fit
keep shuffling the pack
the buffoon lescott at centre half
crespo at centre half
westwood on corners
just fuck off sherwood you useless c*** and take the useless c*** wilkins with you
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And whilst I am at it, Gestede's hold up play needs to improve. We need him to bully defenders and allow support to get into dangerous areas. It's just not happening especially when he can't trap a bag of cement or win a header outside the box. It's just all so wrong!
Gestede is crap at everything which isn't heading chances home.
I've seen pit ponies with better technique on the deck, and for a big man he doesn't even win many aerial duels.
Gestede is remarkably poor at every facet of the game other than heading the ball into the net. We really can't afford to have such a limited player.
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Lescott at his peak had ample opportunities to join us but I cant help but feel now we have him because no one else wants him - even WBA. Past his best.
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Lescott at his peak had ample opportunities to join us but I cant help but feel now we have him because no one else wants him - even WBA. Past his best.
this
the lescott signing was short termism at its worst. we are going to get one season out of him tops and in that time clark doesnt play. then next season we are back to square one
and richards needs to show more leadership
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Lescott at his peak had ample opportunities to join us but I cant help but feel now we have him because no one else wants him - even WBA. Past his best.
and richards needs to show more leadership
Too bloody right he does. Fuck off these pathetic pre match huddles we've had to look at for the past 5 years, they don't do anything. A bit of on field leadership wouldn't go amiss, when was the last time you saw a Villa player handing out a bollocking, getting in the refs ear or rallying the team? They all walk around the pitch aimlessly like they don't have a care in the world. Where's the will to win or professional pride?
We have a guy, and I'm sorry whatever stats anyone wants to throw at me about corners, but we have a guy from the 3rd division who has been doing the same thing week in and week out for 3 years now, everyone can see it doesn't work apart from him. Get on the training field, hour after hour and learn to take a fucking corner, come up with some set piece routines. If you can't be bothered or don't have the ability then get the fuck out!
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Another doomed coach trip for the London Lions, 3 defeats all 0-1 to Swansea, Burnley and Stoke. We almost had a Only fools and horses moment when the adaptor the driver purchased from a local shop for his mobile phone caught fire, we also managed to get him a ticket for the game......don't think he'll want to take us again.
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We had 9 corners yesterday. Gil certainly took the last 1, the others all westwood floaty specials ?
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We had 9 corners yesterday. Gil certainly took the last 1, the others all westwood floaty specials ?
I only watched the first half but yes they we're all those stupid ones he cuts across the ball and chips in behind the penalty spot.
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I think Grealish took a Westwood-esque floater.
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Another doomed coach trip for the London Lions, 3 defeats all 0-1 to Swansea, Burnley and Stoke. We almost had a Only fools and horses moment when the adaptor the driver purchased from a local shop for his mobile phone caught fire, we also managed to get him a ticket for the game......don't think he'll want to take us again.
The last corner was a Pu-lonker special. More Mike Bassett
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Vertout certainly took a few on the TR side.
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The one in the last minute of injury time just summed us up in my opinion. To go short was laughable. To go short and give the ball straight to a Stoke player was barely believable were it not Villa doing it.
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See even the minute detail like corners, throw ins, goal kicks, it's all bloody wrong. What do they do all week? Does he have the running around trying to build up this legendary fitness level that he requires for them to play his bizarre formations? We need to start getting angry.
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Another doomed coach trip for the London Lions, 3 defeats all 0-1 to Swansea, Burnley and Stoke. We almost had a Only fools and horses moment when the adaptor the driver purchased from a local shop for his mobile phone caught fire, we also managed to get him a ticket for the game......don't think he'll want to take us again.
The last corner was a Pu-lonker special. More Mike Bassett
Is there another team in Britain who would make such a mess of a corner deep in stoppage time?
We have loads of new players yet Westwood still takes most of them. Why don't we try something different? Perhaps Amavi to take one with pace?
Thought I wasn't letting that shower get to me this season but feel really depressed and demoralised this morning, bet I'm not alone.
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Stoke hadn't won away since February and guess who that was against.
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The one in the last minute of injury time just summed us up in my opinion. To go short was laughable. To go short and give the ball straight to a Stoke player was barely believable were it not Villa doing it.
I said something similar after the game. If you wanted to take one moment to sum us up that was the perfect example; the wrong decision poorly executed.
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The way forward :
Guzan
Richards
Okore
Clark
Amavi
Sanchez
Veretout
Gueye
Gill or Traore
Grealish
Ayew or Sinclair
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No not Sinclair.
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I'm trying to remain brightside about things. I'm convinced we are one win away from putting a good run together that will take us up the table and our next game, against a club in an advanced state of meltdown, coukd provide it. Every defeat has been by a single goal and Liverpool have been the only side we've played who looked far superior to us.
There have been sweeping changes in the personnel available and the players brought in will take time to adjust and gel. This a slower process than I anticipated or would have liked but I have seen encouraging signs from the new players, albeit fleeting in some cases.
Goals scored and conceded are of course the major issue but it took us until December last season to accumulate the same number of goals while the goals against column is similar.
I am also concerned that Sherwood is learning on the job and that the mistakes he's making in terms of tactics and what he says you would hope would have been out of system by now but that's not the case. However when he says things like "shuffling the pack" it's immediately seized upon as evidence of him not knowing what he's doing which does him no favours.
Would him sticking with the same side that had performed so poorly the week before been preferable? Of course not. There is I'm sure a more astute way of vebalising a change in line up and formation and he needs to find it raher than make rod for his own back with ill considered soundbites.
As I said on another thread, alarm bells may be ringing but let's make ample use of the snooze button before we have to get out of bed and go to work.
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As I say every week now, what is there left to say that hasn't been said a 1000 times already?
My position too Richard. I'm exhausted by getting this worked up, and I try hard not to. But 5 years and counting and even being one of the most optimistic ones I feel beaten to shit by it all.
It just saps your energy doesn't TV? I feel drained by 5pm every week now even though, bizarrely, they make me care less and less. I actually watch hardly any football now at the weekends or in the week and it's all down to year after year after year now of this unremitting shit. I sat in Bath in the sun in the week and thought how much I wished I could live there, go and watch the rugby every week, and forget all about this f*cking drain on my life
I've learned to deal with it by switching off from football entirely and trying real hard not to give a Fuck.
The problem is it happens so often that I'm starting to genuinely not give a fuck, and I'm clearly not alone.
I'm starting to think we need a relegation. We are incapable of building any momentum, this consistent purgatory could cripple us long term.
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Personally I see no reason why Jack gets on before Gil? Jack still doesn't deliver the killer pass or cross. Gil gets the team moving whilst Jack slows us down and often takes a touch too many, inexperience. It was Jack that went over for the short corner, Gil should have ignored him.
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I thought a point was a much as we deserved and if Richards had put that header in, who know what would have happened?
The team selection was a bit odd but he's obviously had Stoke watched and it's something he wanted to do. As for our lot, despite his goals, I can't help feeling Gestede is someone who we're trying to fit in to how we're playing but it's seems to be holding us back. I know that's a strange thing to say seeing as he's got 4 goals in 8 games so I expect people to disagree.
I thought Veretout had a good game yesterday as well. As for Westwood, he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near corner's again.
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The one in the last minute of injury time just summed us up in my opinion. To go short was laughable. To go short and give the ball straight to a Stoke player was barely believable were it not Villa doing it.
I said something similar after the game. If you wanted to take one moment to sum us up that was the perfect example; the wrong decision poorly executed.
Totally and utterly clueless. A short corner with practically the last kick of the game. It defies all belief really.
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Two things from yesterday as well. The chap in front of me who slaughtered Guzan for being off his line for Charlie Adam's long range effort. I've honestly never heard such bollocks.
Also, after returning to my seat from visiting the little boys room, the chap who refused to let me get past him despite me and his mate nudging him and asking him several times. He just sat there in a trance like state and refused to budge, it was weird.
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He was probably in shock.
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The team selection was a bit odd but he's obviously had Stoke watched and it's something he wanted to do.
And that doesn't worry you?
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The team selection was a bit odd but he's obviously had Stoke watched and it's something he wanted to do.
And that doesn't worry you?
Did I say it didn't?
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I can't believe he watched Stoke and thought the wing backs and basically three holding midfielders would be a good idea. There was so much space in behind Hutton because he's slow to get back it looked a goal waiting to happen.
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See even the minute detail like corners, throw ins, goal kicks, it's all bloody wrong. What do they do all week? Does he have the running around trying to build up this legendary fitness level that he requires for them to play his bizarre formations? We need to start getting angry.
It's like deja vue isn't it?
Westwood taking all corners and being shit at it, is the new Barry Bannan.
We couldnt take throw ins properly under Lambert.
Guzman was taking goal kicks and actually playing them backwards during our 'keep possession at all costs' phase.
When will this bloody nightmare end?
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I have been thinking overnight who we could do with losing from the squad. Guzan although he has improved in recent matches, possibly,
Hutton who does get forward aggressively but cannot cross a ball. Lescott who has turned out to be well past his considerable best. Bacana and Westwood who are both awful.Joe Cole,Agbonlahor and Sinclair who flatters to deceive.
That is eight in all from the first team squad. We do,however, have some very talented players Amavi, Richards,Sanchez,Veretout,Gueye,Jack and Gil, and Adama when he is fit. The team performance brightened up when Gil came on yesterday but it is obvious both Gestede and Ayew
need more time although they have shown bits and pieces at times.
Under a new manager we have the talent to improve considerably but I doubt very much if Lerner/Fox have the morale fibre to get him and his cohorts out as soon as possible.
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That tactic of Guzan giving the ball to Richards, however many players he has around him, is ridiculous.
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Two things from yesterday as well. The chap in front of me who slaughtered Guzan for being off his line for Charlie Adam's long range effort.
That was a moment of genius in a pretty forgettable match.
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Two things from yesterday as well. The chap in front of me who slaughtered Guzan for being off his line for Charlie Adam's long range effort. I've honestly never heard such bollocks.
Also, after returning to my seat from visiting the little boys room, the chap who refused to let me get past him despite me and his mate nudging him and asking him several times. He just sat there in a trance like state and refused to budge, it was weird.
Were you sitting in the home dugout?
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Would him sticking with the same side that had performed so poorly the week before been preferable? Of course not. There is I'm sure a more astute way of vebalising a change in line up and formation and he needs to find it raher than make rod for his own back with ill considered soundbites.
What I don't get is why, when he stumbles across something that works, he seems reluctant to stick with it.
First half against Leicester, for example, we were easily the better side. Second half we were under the cosh but with 25 to go, he just needed to make that change and tighten up in midfield and see out the game. Instead, he did the absolute opposite of what he needed to do.
Second half against Small Heath, Grealish and Ayew changed the game in the second half. Veretout played with a bit of confidence. Two of them were then dropped for Liverpool. I appreciate Liverpool are a different proposition to Small Heath, but you can only beat what is in front of you at the time. Yesterday, both Gil and Grealish on the bench, and you could see within about ten minutes that the players didn't look comfortable the way they were set up.
Sometimes he seems to needlessly over complicate things. It almost comes across as an attempt to make himself seem clever. He's just making things more difficult for himself in the long run.
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Two things from yesterday as well. The chap in front of me who slaughtered Guzan for being off his line for Charlie Adam's long range effort. I've honestly never heard such bollocks.
Also, after returning to my seat from visiting the little boys room, the chap who refused to let me get past him despite me and his mate nudging him and asking him several times. He just sat there in a trance like state and refused to budge, it was weird.
Were you sitting in the home dugout?
Haha, very good.
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Sometimes he seems to needlessly over complicate things. It almost comes across as an attempt to make himself seem clever. He's just making things more difficult for himself in the long run.
I said the same on another thread, I'd guess Tim is far less confident that he appears and the press stuff is over compensation. I reckon the 'Tactics Tim' stuff bothers him far more than it should and the constant tinkering is an attempt to answer his critics.
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Two things from yesterday as well. The chap in front of me who slaughtered Guzan for being off his line for Charlie Adam's long range effort. I've honestly never heard such bollocks.
Also, after returning to my seat from visiting the little boys room, the chap who refused to let me get past him despite me and his mate nudging him and asking him several times. He just sat there in a trance like state and refused to budge, it was weird.
Were you sitting in the home dugout?
Haha, very good.
A rare light hearted moment in a cloud of resignation.
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To be honest I don't think there was much between the two teams. But like West Brom, you could see they had a definitive team structure, style of play and ultimate gameplan. I watched the game with a neutral (Man Utd fan..spit) , he kept commenting on how there wasn't one position not to mind line (defence, midfield, up front) where Villa looked like they had a clue.
I was disappointed with the crowd getting on Westwood's back. Not that he was great but he made the Richards chance and was better than the two clowns playing next to him in midfield. Sherwood played to the gallery taking him off.
It's been said before but Lescott should never play for the club again. Scott Sinclair is a charlatan too, gutless to Stephen Ireland levels.
There really was no positive from yesterday and no sign of any pending improvements. That should be it for the Sherwood reign
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To be honest I don't think there was much between the two teams. But like West Brom, you could see they had a definitive team structure, style of play and ultimate gameplan. I watched the game with a neutral (Man Utd fan..spit) , he kept commenting on how there wasn't one position not to mind line (defence, midfield, up front) where Villa looked like they had a clue.
I was disappointed with the crowd getting on Westwood's back. Not that he was great but he made the Richards chance and was better than the two clowns playing next to him in midfield. Sherwood played to the gallery taking him off.
It's been said before but Lescott should never play for the club again. Scott Sinclair is a charlatan too, gutless to Stephen Ireland levels.
There really was no positive from yesterday and no sign of any pending improvements. That should be it for the Sherwood reign
Calling Sinclair a charlatan is a bit harsh.
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Of all the major worries, it's the fact that Stoke were utter wank. Yet comfortably beat us.
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Of all the major worries, it's the fact that Stoke were utter wank. Yet comfortably beat us.
That's the bit that at least gives me a little hope, we haven't really been comprehensively outplayed yet, Liverpool maybe but there was still only a single goal in it.
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Liverpool could have scored a few more, but didn't. I agree that so far they're the only one to turn the screw, but beyond Man United, we've played some pretty poor sides and taken four points.
We are a dreadful outfit.
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I was disappointed with the crowd getting on Westwood's back. Not that he was great but he made the Richards chance and was better than the two clowns playing next to him.
Really? I thought Gana and Veretout did OK yesterday.
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I find that baffling to.
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I don't think any player stunk the side out yesterday, it's just that as a team it just didn't work. Mainly due to the tactics, or lack of them.
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I don't think any player stunk the side out yesterday, it's just that as a team it just didn't work. Mainly due to the tactics, or lack of them.
I thiught Hutton was very poor. The rest did ok. Stoke had a couple who did better and a team yhat looked like a limited cohesive unit.
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I don't think any player stunk the side out yesterday, it's just that as a team it just didn't work. Mainly due to the tactics, or lack of them.
I thiught Hutton was very poor. The rest did ok. Stoke had a couple who did better and a team yhat looked like a limited cohesive unit.
Hutton looked a fish out of water, he was Ok until he crossed the half way line and was confronted by an opponent. Then realised he had to beat him and well yeah that's that attack done. Pass inside.
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We're an uncanny reflection of Randy Lerner. We're not quite sure what we're doing, or why we're here.
And that's being generous about that clueless twerp
Perfect comment for the "underlying problem" thread.
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BBC reporting Advocat has gone. Big Sam will keep his phone charged!
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Of all the major worries, it's the fact that Stoke were utter wank. Yet comfortably beat us.
Yes, worth noting, Stoke are dreadful but coasted past us.
How many saves did their keeper have to make?
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I counted one.
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Gestede popped one off from outside the box.
Can't think of another effort.
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I think people getting on sinclairs back are harsh. We aren't playing to his strengths. He looked really good until we completely changed the game plan to suit gestede
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At least Sinclair was making runs and moving off the ball, especially first half. Unfortunately he then fucked it by keeping going wide instead of driving into the box when he did get the ball. No other fucker was moving. No matter who is manager, our off the ball movement is wank. Watch us and see how often the player that received the ball in midfield or attack is either stationary, or is facing our own goal. Just stop start passing all the sodding time.
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Just stop start passing all the sodding time.
Make you mind up! ;)
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You know what I mean ya git!
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One thing was so stupid it merits special attention. His only plan of attack was crosses into the box to Gestede's head, and yet he wanted to achieve it with only full-backs in wide positions. I mean, what the fuck was he thinking? Firstly, Hutton and Amavi would obviously get doubled-up on, pinning them back; secondly, his plan of attack was full-backs! On their own! No support in defence or attack! What the hell was he thinking? Trying that combination of formation and strategy should get him automatically disqualified from football management, and possibly sectioned.
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I don't know the stats, but I'd imagine the Villa have the lowest number of shots on and off target in the Premiership, so it's not surprising we can't win a game. Our best stat at present is only losing games by a single goal, although I suspect that might change at the next match. Playing Villa will probably see Chelsea hit form and score a lot.
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Sinclair was our major goal threat and Tim has destroyed him and his confidence. I still think that Tim prefers to back 'his' signings hence the likes of Gil being a 2nd/3rd choice. There is a decent team in there with some talented players but this manager won't see it.
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I was disappointed with the crowd getting on Westwood's back. Not that he was great but he made the Richards chance and was better than the two clowns playing next to him.
Really? I thought Gana and Veretout did OK yesterday.
I like gana but he gave the ball away in dangerous areas yesrerday a couple of times. But i think he will be a good player under a different manager.
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i thought veretout did ok, at least he looked interested and wanted to get forward.
gestede is out of his depth and for such a big bloke has zero physical presence
jack is all fart and no shit, he needs to be much more direct and use his pace
gana im not sure about, reminded me of el ahmadi
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It's a strange one about Gestede, I think he is a bit out of his depth, but when he played against Liverpool last year in the cup, he was a big physical threat and really got amongst their centre backs. Not sure if he is 100% fit or not.
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When Sherwood first joined I thought he would be the man to take us out of this mess and bring some good football to Villa Park but he seems to be really struggling and I think we might have to start looking for better options. This might be harsh and I know I would of told someone off if they said this to me a fortnight ago but just look at the game yesterday.
I think the game yesterday was easily there to be won as was shown in the last 15 minutes when all our substitutes were made but that was never going to happen from the moment the team sheet was announced, which just feels like were back to the end of Lambert's rein. I think Sherwood made a lot of mistakes starting with going down the hard to beat route. I think a manager needs to break down there role into a few elements to ensure wins which I think are:
Team selection
Substitutions
Style of play
Protecting players
The team selection was obviously wrong as everyone on here could see.
The substitutions were good but shouldn't of needed to take place to start with.
There was no sign of a style of play.
Finally I don't think Sherwood protects the players as can be seen with Adama Traore with the way his ankle was taken out of a protective boot then thrown into the Liverpool match in the same week everyone who has played football knows ankle injuries are nasty and need to be treated slowly with care. I'm also worried about Okore I think he returned to training last week then was thrown into a U21's match for 90 minutes after around 3 months out from overplaying returning from a cruciate knee ligament injury so why risk making that mistake again. Lets just hope we attack Chelsea as they have a dodgy back four and get them playing like we did yesterday, knowing Villa as I do we will sit back and get hammered.
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It's a strange one about Gestede, I think he is a bit out of his depth, but when he played against Liverpool last year in the cup, he was a big physical threat and really got amongst their centre backs. Not sure if he is 100% fit or not.
He will be fine given time. Problem is that right now as we not using any other means of attack, Villa is predictable. Too make matters worse we cant cross. We cant fucking cross a set ball on corners (Westwood is horrible despite being designated for what 3 seasons?). Whoever is in charge of coaching crosses should be sent away in tar and feathers! Bacuna could cross when he arrived...now he cant. Amavi could cross but now he seem to have lost that ability.
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I'd be interested to know how many second balls we won yesterday. Every time the ball broke, a Stoke player always seemed to be there first. I think it's a combination of our formation and positional play plus a dire lack of fitness. This has happened several times this season. A midfield enforcer is needed.
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Correct me if sounds dopey but didn't I read Sherwood was making them do double training sessions at the start of the season or something? Just what were they training at? Sitting on their arses?
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It does sound dopey but that's Sherwood not you.
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Of all the major worries, it's the fact that Stoke were utter wank. Yet comfortably beat us.
Rather the other way round. They are very poor but we never looked like beating them.
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I called it last week...Rogers sacked. We should get on to it tonight and approach him. it is the only thing that can save us!
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I called it last week...Rogers sacked. We should get on to it tonight and approach him. it is the only thing that can save us!
Well done. I don't think anyone else saw that coming.
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Alan Hutton's efforts to play wing back in the first half were entertaining in the car crash sense.
Had a solid second half in fairness to him back in his regular position
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Two things from yesterday as well. The chap in front of me who slaughtered Guzan for being off his line for Charlie Adam's long range effort. I've honestly never heard such bollocks.
Also, after returning to my seat from visiting the little boys room, the chap who refused to let me get past him despite me and his mate nudging him and asking him several times. He just sat there in a trance like state and refused to budge, it was weird.
Were you sitting in the home dugout?
Haha, very good.
A rare light hearted moment in a cloud of resignation.
RESIGNATION!?
Oh, I see.
Never mind.
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It's going to be another long hard season again for us.
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It's going to be another long hard season again for us.
Cheer up, we get to kick start Chelsea's season in a fortnight.
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It's going to be another long hard season again for us.
Cheer up, we get to kick start Chelsea's season in a fortnight.
Thank goodness for that. Chelsea fans have suffered so much and with such dignity.
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It's going to be another long hard season again for us.
Cheer up, we get to kick start Chelsea's season in a fortnight.
Wishful thinking but maybe Chelsea can kick start ours!, we did for the special one once, can only live in hope!
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How very depressing. That line up was a WTF moment. We should have gone for Stoke's jugular bet instead Villa lined up with no flair and with all the best creative players on the bench. Is Sherwood that scared of losing already? I thought he was going to play decent attacking football, but it's starting to look like he has no idea how to set a team up.
Absolute garbage.
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The players look so shot of confidence.
Sherwood is getting things majorly wrong now every single game.
We need to go back to basics.
The lack of width is just shocking.
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it's getting worse by the week.Please God lets not leave it as long as we did with Lambert to change it. Do it now.
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We had to waste all our substitutions just to put our best 3 attacking players (on current form) on the pitch.
We played 5 defenders, yet allowed space out wide to their two wingers by relying on Hutton and Amavi to push forward - brainless.
Its understandable that some players are getting used to playing with each other, but the systems we are playing doesn't help them at all. We're neither solid at the back, or threatening going forward, and have no identifiable game plan most of the time.
Sanchez isn't that popular (not really sure why), but for me when we played well this season (Leicester first half for example, and Palace), he shone in the midfield. A three in midfield should be him flanked by Veretout and Gana who have shown they are willing to break forward, but I would prefer to see him next to another midfielder, and Grealish, Gil and One Other (Traore if fit) ahead of them.
Sherwood is losing the plot - and I didn't think that until this week.
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I can't believe how docile we've been as a fan base for 5 years. You see other clubs fans throwing hissy fits after a run of 5-10 bad games, that's standard for us. We've won 20 of the last 80 at home and the fans have turned once, against Bolton.
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I can't believe how docile we've been as a fan base for 5 years. You see other clubs fans throwing hissy fits after a run of 5-10 bad games, that's standard for us. We've won 20 of the last 80 at home and the fans have turned once, against Bolton.
Well an average of 30,000+ Villa fans turn up for home games. The planned 'protest' last season floundered last season with a participation of what 2%? Even Police Commissioner Elections get better turnouts.
We threw a major(ish) hissy fit when the board made the most inexplicable decision in the club's history in hiring McLeish and 99% of us knew how it would end and about how quickly.
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I can't believe how docile we've been as a fan base for 5 years. You see other clubs fans throwing hissy fits after a run of 5-10 bad games, that's standard for us. We've won 20 of the last 80 at home and the fans have turned once, against Bolton.
Well an average of 30,000+ Villa fans turn up for home games. The planned 'protest' last season floundered last season with a participation of what 2%? Even Police Commissioner Elections get better turnouts.
We threw a major(ish) hissy fit when the board made the most inexplicable decision in the club's history in hiring McLeish and 99% of us knew how it would end and about how quickly.
I think Lerner has kicked the life out of the fans over the last 5 years.
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We threw a major(ish) hissy fit when the board made the most inexplicable decision in the club's history in hiring McLeish and 99% of us knew how it would end and about how quickly.
But we didn't actually do anything until the Bolton match - 1 home game from the end of the season wasn't it?
I said on another thread I now await the interminable row about how/when to protest and how some people "need to grow a pair" or are "wetters" etc. Doesn't help really.
It doesn't matter of I turn up or not as I have an ST so will be counted regardless like lots of others.
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We did not play too badly when in possession in the second half. We were never under any pressure, but by then we had scarified a half of football, when we could have really pressed on Stoke and maybe been a goal or two up by the time Richards lost his mind for their goal.
It was odd. When you are bedding in new players and trying to get a result to stem the flow of bad ones, to build confidence, then you need to deal with something the players know. 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 as it became ultimately cost us the match, as much as any of our inept forward play.
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First game at VP since Swansea last season. Funnily enough I though we looked better this time. I guess Swansea are a lot better than Stoke, though.
I also appreciated Westwood's tidiness and technique more in the flesh. Like the rest of the team though he is too powder-puff and not brave enough.
Seeing that Ibrahimovic-wannabe Arnautovic give it the big'un in front of the North after scoring capped off a bleak afternoon.
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It's going to be another long hard season again for us.
Cheer up, we get to kick start Chelsea's season in a fortnight.
brilliant
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It's going to be another long hard season again for us.
Cheer up, we get to kick start Chelsea's season in a fortnight.
That would be even funnier if it wasn't so true.
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If we play Traore and Chelsea play Ivanovich. If we play Sanchez, Veretout and Gana and they play Matic and Fabregas as a two centrally, then if we take it that the side are preparing to press more, then we will get Mourinho sacked for the second time.
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I am going and might have a bet on Chelsea first goal and scorer.
Any suggestions ?
Terry corner 6 minutes.
Hazard is lacking confidence Tap in after Guzan chucks the ball to Will I an
Wan k e $@
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If we play Traore and Chelsea play Ivanovich. If we play Sanchez, Veretout and Gana and they play Matic and Fabregas as a two centrally, then if we take it that the side are preparing to press more, then we will get Mourinho sacked for the second time.
Quite a few ifs there Ads......
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If we play Traore and Chelsea play Ivanovich. If we play Sanchez, Veretout and Gana and they play Matic and Fabregas as a two centrally, then if we take it that the side are preparing to press more, then we will get Mourinho sacked for the second time.
Quite a few ifs there Ads......
How many times have we had situations like this were the fans can see what we need to do then our manager just does completely the wrong thing? I recon he'll start the same team as Saturday and we'll get hammered.
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Given that we played five at the back at home to fucking Stoke, I'd expect the Chelsea team to be something like:
Guzan
Hutton, Bacuna, Crespo, Richards, Lescott, Clark, Senderos, Richardson, Amavi
Gestede.
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Given that we played five at the back at home to fucking Stoke, I'd expect the Chelsea team to be something like:
Guzan
Hutton, Bacuna, Crespo, Richards, Lescott, Clark, Senderos, Richardson, Amavi
Gestede.
Forgot gabby haha
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He'll bring him on with ten minutes to go to change the game when we're nine-nil down.
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With Westwood who will score 5 ;)
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Is it wrong to say that the "Guess the Crowd" result is more exciting?
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no
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Is it wrong to say that the "Guess the Crowd" result is more exciting?
It would be for me Simon, I am even thinking of changing my username to UnPointSeulement.
I appear to be the Tim Sherwood of GTC, I have even stopped shaving on matchdays and sit slumped in my armchair eyes wide open and staring into the middle distance wondering what to do next.
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Is it wrong to say that the "Guess the Crowd" result is more exciting?
I got more points for my guess on Saturday than the team have got in 8 matches.
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Is it wrong to say that the "Guess the Crowd" result is more exciting?
It would be for me Simon, I am even thinking of changing my username to UnPointSeulement.
I appear to be the Tim Sherwood of GTC, I have even stopped shaving on matchdays and sit slumped in my armchair eyes wide open and staring into the middle distance wondering what to do next.
Your luck will change sooner than you think, Steve, hang on in there.
I'd say, sooner than Sherwood's, but I don't want to hex the results to be any worse!