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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: pauliewalnuts on September 26, 2015, 04:51:55 PM
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Rubbish. Again.
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Nowhere near good enough and deservedly bottom 3
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We are going down this time unless we change the manager again.
I've had enough already.
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Tactically clueless. Bad management, mistimed substitutions. Defence woeful, midfield powderpuff, attack static.
Sherwood out.
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I thínk this may well be our year.
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Annoying. Our strength is going forward, Liverpool are under pressure and not the greatest at the back. So start on the front foot and get them under pressure. Being us though we start negatively and the game is ultimately lost. We showed later on what can be done when we attack and they defend. Fucking stupid. We've scored twice in both our last away league games and got zero points.
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They were so weak defensively, Sherwood's cowardly tactics were inexcusable.
How the fuck did Sinclair stay on?
Why the fuck did he take Grealish off?
What the fuck did he think would happen with that stupid 'rope-a-dope' strategy in the first half?
Who the fuck in the coaching staff thinks Westwood should be taking corners?
Where the fuck is our next win coming from?
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Probably should've just beaten Sunderland at home.
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Terrible, and the two goals can't hide that, although I'm sure Sherwood will use them as proof that his crap tactics worked.
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The whole game plan was wrong. The manager is costing them.
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We only started playing for the last 20 minutes and the scoreline actually flatters us.
Prediction: TS to spin it as an encouraging narrow defeat and claim his game plan nearly worked of trying to get a point away from home, conveniently forgetting the absolute negative shite and non-performance of the first 70 minutes.
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Bottom 3 way to go Tactics.
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Yes, I'm fairly certain this could be the year. It's been coming for ages to be honest. I've run out of things to say about us, it's just shit after shit after shit
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Dim Tim is at least consistent in losing.
Why no Clark?
Why no subs at HT?
Why no Ayew on for 20 minutes?
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I thínk this may well be our year.
For the cup maybe, but I'm worried about the league performances.
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Sherwoods luck ran out in April. We had enough to stay up last time. Thanks for that, but he really is clueless.
NEXT!!
There's a handful of good players here. Someone with half a brain managing them will do well.
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Zero pressure on the ball for the entire game. Anytime we put them under the slightest pressure you could see how decidedly average Liverpool are.
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The two goals they scored show what might have been there for them if they'd been set up properly. Why sit back to a team lacking confidence and let them have all the time in the world to score at will?
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Aston Villa: the Cure for what Ails You
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The only way is up! Need to get Okore in ASAP plus Clark. May be play 3 a the back. At full strength we're ok and good enough for the PL. Can't understand the Gil exclusion?
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It's looking like this is the year. Get those bets on nice and early.
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wrong formation again
shit tactics again
we are going down
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What fucking annoys me is that he talks such a great game, but the ineptitude isn't just here and there, a bit of naivety, it is nothing like that - it is ineptitude right across the board.
I am hoping the fact we've got a technical director between him and Fox now means that we won't have to make the same mistake of pissing away another three seasons in a waste of time, but he is so massively, massively out of his depth, it is frightening.
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The only way is up! Need to get Okore in ASAP plus Clark. May be play 3 a the back. At full strength we're ok and good enough for the PL. Can't understand the Gil exclusion?
Sounds a lot like what we all said when Gueye and Adama were out.
We're fit mate, we just suck.
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I'm afraid i think we've been conned. Sherwood is showing weekly that he hasn't really got a fucking clue
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Allardyce is available.
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We're like a special service. Need a win? Manager under pressure? Out of form? Worry not, we'll sort you out!
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Sherwood should have showed more attacking intent from the start rather than sitting deep and inviting pressure. He had 3 quality players on the bench in Gil, Adama and Ayew and had to play at least one of those from the start. Having said that, it doesn't help when the players on the pitch give away possession so sloppily. As I said on the match thread, losing to Liverpool won't determine where we are at the end of the season - dropping points against Palace, Sunderland, Leicester and the Bitters will - and it doesn't look good right now.
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This team will finish bottom. The score shouldn't fool anyone as we were well beaten by probably the poorest Liverpool side I've seen.
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I reckon the last time we were decent was the liverpool semi final.
I think he will take us down, with bizarrely our best squad for ages.
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where is this bright entertaining football he promised? are we cursed, does our club bring out the worst in managers? i think we have the players to have beaten them today but for some reason he chose to give them respect when their confidence is shot. Thats too many games we've lost to his tactics and he nearly fucked up Blose. Mmmmm i am beginning to question him and that's not good. he should stick to talent spotting because he's good at that at least
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Are you a club on your arse? Not to worry, Villa are your next game.
Next week: Stoke
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Lucas was MoM for them. He didn't fall for a single one of Jack's or Adama's tricks.
As for Jack, speaking as someone who was at Oktoberfest yesterday, he looked like he was playing with a hangover (I'm sure he wasn't but it looked like it). I wish also sometimes he would move the ball on quickly rather than always having to do one trick and beat one player before he does.
And in Gestede we have a player who can score goals, given the right service. Until we get 40 points, or until we buy a top striker in Jan, we need to be set up with the whole purpose of giving him the right service.
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Sherwood's got to go. He doesn't have a clue about tactics. The way we set-up, just to sit deep and try and keep the game as close as possible was out of Lambert's playbook. To not change it at half-time was unbelievable. To wait until we were 2-0 before the first change was made was ridiculous. How can any manager sit there watching that and not see that it needs to be changed. I think we've got some good players and can play well but it doesn't look like Sherwood is the one who can bring it together.
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Am I allowed to say must win again? We don't even look like a team that can win.
God we're awful. :(
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I never thought I would say it but..... Call for big Sam. An experienced manager who could get more out of this squad than this cockney chancer.
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Thanks to six years of Lerrner ineptness, other teams now know that if they are in a bad run of form and the fans are baying for their manager to get the sack, Villa will turn up and gift them 3 points.
We've also had the easiest start for years and we've still managed to screw it up.
Is Sherwood really the right man, or is he just going to finish of what that turd TSM2 started?
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They say it's the hope that gets you. And at the moment we've not got any.
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If you get rid then who is available to bring in? Hardly anyone we would fancy...
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much as I hate him fat sam would get better results with this squad
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much as I hate him fat sam would get better results with this squad
No, no and no fucking way.
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2-0 down. Like for like sub sanchez for veretout! Wtf! We had trarore and Gill there! Veretout should have started anyway.in play subs. Clueless!!
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We were a point off relegation last year, lost our two best players, and have a small net spend so none of this should be surprising.
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Tim needs more time, I wouldn't sack him on the basis of being crap for a few games while an almost entirely new team gels.
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Tim Sherwood said in March:
If we get out of this situation this season, we aren't going to be in it next year. Never. Because I will have the opportunity to build something and I won't let that happen again.
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If you get rid then who is available to bring in? Hardly anyone we would fancy...
Klopp.
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What fucking annoys me is that he talks such a great game, but the ineptitude isn't just here and there, a bit of naivety, it is nothing like that - it is ineptitude right across the board.
I am hoping the fact we've got a technical director between him and Fox now means that we won't have to make the same mistake of pissing away another three seasons in a waste of time, but he is so massively, massively out of his depth, it is frightening.
They can employ people and give them any tittles they like but if they are no good at their jobs it won't make a jot of difference and their is precious little evidence that anyone from Lerner down ,at our club ,has a clue what they are doing.
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5 defeats from 7 games sums up how I feel about this fucking chancer called Tim Sherwood.
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much as I hate him fat sam would get better results with this squad
No, no and no fucking way.
You can say no as much as you like, but he would.
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Leicester game showed up Sherwoods tactical naivety. But at least the gung ho Villa plays to our strengths.
At 3-2 the co commentator made a comment that he was surprised we didn't send our centre backs forward for a free kick. I wish I was, by that point it was as if we were happy to have made the score respectable, we never looked like we were being urged to get players forward. So frustrating because when we attacked them we created some decent chances. WE just didn't have players prepared to run past the man in possession anywhere near enough.
But without committing players forward what was our plan for getting back into it? I don't know and I'd be amazed if Sherwood did either.
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Make no mistake, Liverpool are a poor side with fragile confidence, yet we've made them look like Barcelona today.
You could argue the side under Lambert struggled because of the substandard quality of the players, one or two aside. But this squad has more than enough about it to be a mid table team, and comfortably so. I'm afraid I see signs we are disorganised, undrilled and being sent out with fingers crossed hoping for the best.
Worst of all, I also see signs of a comfort zone developing for some that look under motivated. There have been several direct free kicks against us lately and I don't think I've seen one player prepared to jump and take a ball in the face for the cause.
I'm beginning to wonder if Timmys upset a few down there.
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much as I hate him fat sam would get better results with this squad
No, no and no fucking way.
Is that a no then.
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We're at the end of September and the majority of us can see relegation coming. And now we'll be watching it approaching like a giant meteor about to hit the Earth - will the people who can at least give us a fighting chance do anything about it?
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Is the flick of the switch getting closer? The Stoke game is a must-win next week. Play Adama from the start this time.
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That first 60 mins was all Allardyce, park the bus and hope for the best. What happened to Timmy's mantra of "we'll take the game to them and play on the front foot". No tempo again, not good enough.
For me, Grealish and Sinclair could have come off at HT, put Ayew and Traore/Gil on, especially after Ayew showed so much desire on Tuesday. Gil must be wondering what is going on...and Gestede is only good when the ball is crossed in front of him, but then he is unstoppable.
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Tim needs more time, I wouldn't sack him on the basis of being crap for a few games while an almost entirely new team gels.
How about because he obviously doesn't have a clue tactically and we can't afford to have someone learning on the job.
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I don't care about 'learning his trade' or 'it's early days yet'. The proposition with this manager has very quickly resolved itself down to being the same as with the previous two. How many defeats do we have to suffer and how bad does it need to get before he finally gets the shove.
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Tim needs more time, I wouldn't sack him on the basis of being crap for a few games while an almost entirely new team gels.
How much time do you give him? We seem to see a recurring pattern of tactical ineptness each week.
We've just assembled what on paper is the best Villa squad for years. Do we want to go down and then lose them, because I can't see them playing fizzy pop league football.
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Another vote here for Fat Sam
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No consolation but if the below from the BBC is indicative of the general mood of the Liverpool fans they are still as deluded as ever...
David on Twitter: Sturridge back. Now just 1 player away from being potential champions..where is Luis Suarez?!
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For once i don't think it's our players that are the problem, given the correct manager and tactics i think we've potentially got a decent side.
That said, Traore didn't impress today, tried exactly the same thing 3 or 4 times, they didn't fall for it. Welcome to the PL mate
He'll learn though i'm sure
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If Sherwood's inexperience means he can't see what changes need to be made during a game and when, what the fuck is Wilkins doing?
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Tactics were awful. We made Liverpool look like a really good team.
Why no Ayew at some stage today?
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what the fuck is Wilkins doing?
Looking fat with a smug grin on his face. Also saying words like "delighted" and "marvellous" a lot
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Traore has great feet but his tactic of stopping the ball, waiting until 2 or 3 defenders are in position and then trying to beat them rather than passing to a better placed teammate might get tiresome after a while.
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Why no Ayew
Why no Clark instead of lescott
Why take Grealish off
Why let westwood waste all corners
Why sit so deep and sit off liverpool
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Tim needs more time, I wouldn't sack him on the basis of being crap for a few games while an almost entirely new team gels.
How about because he obviously doesn't have a clue tactically and we can't afford to have someone learning on the job.
That's why he has experienced staff around him. What the fuck is their role in all of this?
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I will always be grateful to Tim for keeping us up but we really do need an experienced top level manager in right now to make the most of this very decent squad of ours. I usually like to give our managers time but Tim's lack of experience and game-management know-how worries me big time. Tim could leave now with his head held high.
On another note, today we saw flashes of beast-mode Rudy Gestede, which was pleasing.
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Ayew deserved a chance today. If Sherwood can't take that in then he wants shooting.
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Why not play Ayew today? He would have been on a high from the other night and could have torn them apart if that form carried on. Why not go for it from the off? What the hell is this new tactic of of playing shit from KO? Is he scared we can not start positive and step back a gear before upping the tempo again?
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Tim needs more time, I wouldn't sack him on the basis of being crap for a few games while an almost entirely new team gels.
How about because he obviously doesn't have a clue tactically and we can't afford to have someone learning on the job.
That's why he has experienced staff around him. What the fuck is their role in all of this?
Baggies knew he was a chance and steered clear only for the 'best young manager' to end up hear having achieved fuck all elsewhere.
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A win next week and things will look better and besides, Fat Sam could well be at Sunderland by Tuesday morning.
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Fuck this. Off to the pub to prepare for the rugby
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Martin Laursen has just ripped into us and Sherwood on the post match analysis.
1. Playing defensively doesn't just mean parking the back 4 on the edge of the box and the midfield 10 yards further forward.
You need to still know how you're going to move the ball forward and get players around your forward(s).
2.If you're playing defensively someone as immobile as Gestede is probably not the best option as your lone forward.
3. Regardless of who's playing up front, you can't leave them as isolated as Gestede was for large chunks of the game.
4. When you've ripped them apart just a few months ago, then why start off so negative?
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Geez it's depressing being a Villa fan. Five years of rubbish. Time to pull the plug. We're doomed this year.
Sherwood out.
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Martin Laursen has just ripped into us and Sherwood on the post match analysis.
1. Playing defensively doesn't just mean parking the back 4 on the edge of the box and the midfield 10 yards further forward.
You need to still know how you're going to move the ball forward and get players around your forward(s).
2.If you're playing defensively someone as immobile as Gestede is probably not the best option as your lone forward.
3. Regardless of who's playing up front, you can't leave them as isolated as Gestede was for large chunks of the game.
4. When you've ripped them apart just a few months ago, then why start off so negative?
Maybe the sentimental calls for Laursen to be manager had more going for them than we thought. At least he sounds less naive and more clued-up than our current chump.
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Serious question - how long do we give him?
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So we sink into the relegation zone this early in the season. Could even be bottom two if Newcastle win.
I wonder if there's a clause that says we can sack Sherwood in these circumstances. The bigger question would be whether Tom Fox would have the balls to do it.
It's one thing sacking someone else's man, but another entirely to admit YOUVE appointed the wrong man in the first place.
It'll be dull, but Fat Sam would get better results. Moyes could be tempted back? Unfortunately, I doubt Klopp would even consider us.
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Tim needs more time, I wouldn't sack him on the basis of being crap for a few games while an almost entirely new team gels.
How about because he obviously doesn't have a clue tactically and we can't afford to have someone learning on the job.
He's had 20 League games: 12 Loses, 6 Wins, 2 Draws.
We've lost three in a row and if Defoe was on his game it would be 6 straight league defeats, this donkey has got 2 or 3 more games left for me, then that's it.
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Serious question - how long do we give him?
5.30 tonight
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Christ, if Klopp came to the Villa the place would be standing room only. Unfortunately it would be more likely you'd see Jesus Christ having a go at kicking the ball from the Holte End at half time.
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Serious question - how long do we give him?
5.30 tonight
5 more minutes then?
We need someone with the intelligence to use these continental technically gifted new players we have bought.
I presume our scouts sounded these players out and not the numpty we have in charge?
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Our passing and ball retention (or lack of) is our downfall. The amount of times we lost or gave the ball away in crucial areas today was staggering. We create our own problems, and if Sherwood can't sort it out and quick I'd suggest we get someone in who can.
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My scores:
Guzan - 6 - don't really think he was at fault for the goals and made a couple of good saves
Hutton - 6 - looked to get forward but was beaten to easily at full back time and time again
Lescott - 4 - poor for their goal, and poor all game
Richards - 6 - not the commanding force he was on Tuesday
Amavi - 7 - assist again, and the one bit of class we appear to have
Westwood - 3 - an absolute nothing player, when they were dominating the midfield was nowhere to be seen, and his set pieces are dreadful
Sanchez - 4 - supposed to be the enforcer in our side but was hopeless at it
Gueye - 5 - looked to me like this game was too early for him, as he looked no better than anybody else.
Grealish - 5 - not his day at all today, the game largely passed him by
Sinclair - 4 - what does he do, what is he for?
Gestede - 8 for the two goals, 4 for his all round play, average 6. Great in the air, wooden, shit and slow at everything else.
Tactics Tim - 2 - facking dreadful mate. Less than 30% possession in the first half so carries on with the same witless football until we go 2-0 down. Hasn't got the first clue.
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I'm not sure why people are so certain Klopp wouldn't give us a go. His options would be few as he isn't going to magae in Germany and said he will manage in a country where he speaks the language and that is English & German.
It's basically a Prem team.
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His post match comments are worrying. Giving it the whole "This season is about staying up, judge me on next year" . Not exactly what he said at the end of last season. We lost two great players but the combined fee received was re-invested and enough to make us a comfortable mid-table side.
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Utter fucking shite.
We sat so deep against bang ordinary opposition, gifting them so much time and space it was a joke. We played with such little tempo.
We have a player up front who when facing the opposition goal in the 18 yard box is unstoppable. Why are we asking him to do a job with his back to goal and thirty yards from it?
Grealish was poor, Westwood his usual pedestrian self. Our defending was diabolical.
The second time we got forward and squared them up we scored, because they're piss poor. We can't defend, we lack organisation and discipline to pick up the runners, so why did we come with such a deep line, the midfield five yards in front and refusing to press?
The answer is he manager has not got a fucking clue and is taking us down.
I am fucked off that we are suffering another moron in charge of the club for the 6th season of shit. Fuck off Sherwood.
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I'm not sure why people are so certain Klopp wouldn't give us a go. His options would be few as he isn't going to magae in Germany and said he will manage in a country where he speaks the language and that is English & German.
It's basically a Prem team.
I think he'd want a team with at least an outside chance of Champions League football, not a half-arsed set of non-entities like Villa.
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His post match comments are worrying. Giving it the whole "This season is about staying up, judge me on next year" . Not exactly what he said at the end of last season. We lost two great players but the combined fee received was re-invested and enough to make us a comfortable mid-table side.
Link mate?
His comments recently have become slightly more disturbing. I remember him saying his only remit was to keep us up. If I were a player and my manager was coming out with that I wouldn't exactly feel motivated.
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We're changing team, shape and tactics every game and it's not working
There are a lot of questions about Sherwood at the moment
Deserves more time though. Losing the entire spine of an already shit team was massive.
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Klopp seems the type who might go to an unfashionable, under achieving team, because that's what he did with Dortmund. But having proved his credentials, the chances of him doing it with Villa are astronomically optimistic.
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His post match comments are worrying. Giving it the whole "This season is about staying up, judge me on next year" . Not exactly what he said at the end of last season. We lost two great players but the combined fee received was re-invested and enough to make us a comfortable mid-table side.
Sherwood is persistently talking us down. Even more than DOL did. That is wrong......very wrong!
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I'm not sure why people are so certain Klopp wouldn't give us a go. His options would be few as he isn't going to magae in Germany and said he will manage in a country where he speaks the language and that is English & German.
It's basically a Prem team.
I think he'd want a team with at least an outside chance of Champions League football, not a half-arsed set of non-entities like Villa.
To achieve half-arsed status would show a marked improvement. I long for half or even quarter-arsed.
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I'm not sure why people are so certain Klopp wouldn't give us a go. His options would be few as he isn't going to magae in Germany and said he will manage in a country where he speaks the language and that is English & German.
It's basically a Prem team.
I think he'd want a team with at least an outside chance of Champions League football, not a half-arsed set of non-entities like Villa.
To achieve half-arsed status would show a marked improvement. I long for half or even quarter-arsed.
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What will Klopp can offer to us if he fancy the hot seat at Villa Park. Just interested I know he done well with Dortmund and his hippies personality. If I was Randy Lerner I will do everything in my power to get him in. I want Klopp to be our new Jimmy Hogan ;)
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Sherwood is digging his grave . I'd fuck the chancer off now
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His post match comments are worrying. Giving it the whole "This season is about staying up, judge me on next year" . Not exactly what he said at the end of last season. We lost two great players but the combined fee received was re-invested and enough to make us a comfortable mid-table side.
Link mate?
His comments recently have become slightly more disturbing. I remember him saying his only remit was to keep us up. If I were a player and my manager was coming out with that I wouldn't exactly feel motivated.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34370950
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I think the approach today was woefully simplistic. Sherwood clearly thought: right, we're playing at Anfield, let's keep it tight. So I'll set up the back four and sit three defensive central midfielders in front of them. That'll keep the Dippers out. And then the three attackers can just do their thing.
But you have to have a more coherent plan that that. We're not properly set up to go direct to a target man, as Gestede is poor with his back to goal. But equally we're not set up to play passing football, as every players takes three or four touches before moving it on and the opposition can pick us off too easily. We struggle so much to get the ball up the pitch smoothly as a unit, because players are all standing around, not looking to move into space and call for the ball. Presumably because they're terrified of being caught out of position, and that must mean they don't trust their teammates to cover for them.
This may partly be because our defensive midfielders are bollocks. Westwood is abysmal at spotting or tracking runners, and he never covers any ground. Sanchez is better, but is still too dopey. And none of them seem able to anticipate and move over to cover when our full-backs go forward. They ball watch the whole time, always on their heels reacting, rather than forcing the opposition into mistakes.
Anyway, until we have a clearly defined game plan (preferably one that involves getting to the bye-line with quick passing and movement), and until the team start to have a bit more belief in each other, we're going to struggle.
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He is basically a less able, less successful, younger version of Harry Redknapp.
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Not liking the teams Sherwood is picking now, how can Ayew and Clark not get minutes after the second half on Tuesday.
Our defence was woeful against pace and movement today, very worrying.
We were awful for 70 minutes before those two out of nowhere goals that gave the match a close look but Liverpool could've easily scored five today. And this is a Liverpool team that have been averaging a goal a game for last 5 months.
Very worried now, to me we just don't look good enough at both ends of the pitch, well not good enough to actually pick up results in this league on a consistent basis.
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We are a beaten team before we set foot on the pitch and that is down to the manager. The squad is easily mid table the manager is not even conference league level - he has no experience and to be managing a club of our level is a joke . Said at the time it was a crazy appointment .
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Does any teams defense collectively or individually have more brain farts than us ?
We pass the ball. we fuck about and then lose the ball.
We roll it out to a defender who is immediately pressured and lose the ball.
we stand asleep in midfield while some one ghosts past us, wake up challenge back and give away a free kick in a score able position !
I did not vote for Tim, but said give him a chance.
At the moment I do not know, who comes in ? and basically we have what we have player wise until Jan.
Grit our teeth and hope for the best ?
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Serious question - how long do we give him?
I'd give him another 2 months - that's long enough to see if he can adapt and improve, and if not then it gives a new manager a reasonable amount of time to turn things round (including in the Jan transfer window).
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Serious question - how long do we give him?
I think he would walk if the Sherwood out chants started and that could be next week
he isn't as thick skined at Lambert
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His post match comments are worrying. Giving it the whole "This season is about staying up, judge me on next year" . Not exactly what he said at the end of last season. We lost two great players but the combined fee received was re-invested and enough to make us a comfortable mid-table side.
If those are his post-match comments, it is v worrying.
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Sherwood could one day be a decent manager but he needs to go down the leagues and learn the ropes.
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The interview proves he's lost the fucking plot. It's fucking September and the season is a write off. Jesus Christ. I told myself I wouldn't get angry but he's managed to piss me well and truly off. Tosser.
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Serious question - how long do we give him?
I'd give him another 2 months - that's long enough to see if he can adapt and improve, and if not then it gives a new manager a reasonable amount of time to turn things round (including in the Jan transfer window).
that's too long
Im not one to panic but f me he is turning into a disaster. one win in 10 including last season. there is already a gap opening up above us
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They were so weak defensively, Sherwood's cowardly tactics were inexcusable.
How the fuck did Sinclair stay on?
Why the fuck did he take Grealish off?
What the fuck did he think would happen with that stupid 'rope-a-dope' strategy in the first half?
Who the fuck in the coaching staff thinks Westwood should be taking corners?
Where the fuck is our next win coming from?
Grealish was dire today and needed the hook at HT.
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Serious question - how long do we give him?
I'd give him another 2 months - that's long enough to see if he can adapt and improve, and if not then it gives a new manager a reasonable amount of time to turn things round (including in the Jan transfer window).
that's too long
Im not one to panic but f me he is turning into a disaster. one win in 10 including last season. there is already a gap opening up above us
Actually if we lose to Stoke I'll probably agree with you!
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The interview proves he's lost the fucking plot. It's fucking September and the season is a write off. Jesus Christ. I told myself I wouldn't get angry but he's managed to piss me well and truly off. Tosser.
he was full of sh1t when he arrived and he is full of sh1t as it all goes to hell.
He has no track record and don't get me started on Wilkins. Other than make the tea at Chelsea he has done nothing of any note. Can drink for England though apparently
Tactics, subs, starting 11 - its all rubbish
Ayew must have been walking on water after last Tuesday, so why not start him today. Its not as if Sinclair has been great or cant be dropped.
Clark was awesome second half Tuesday so what does he do, reinstate the carthorse that is Lescott
Pull the plug Fox. He kept us up, but please move on now. We need something better. We have the players to be mid table but a manager who is out of his depth and always was.
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Serious question - how long do we give him?
No more than 3 more games. Unless he gets at least 4 points (yes I know a very low target) we get rid of him. Tim the Chiseler is just good for that nothing else.
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he needs to go down the leagues and learn the ropes.
Yes but not with us.
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On top of all this the barcodes are winning against Chelski.
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It would be easier to understand if this was about players being shit or not gelling, but it isn't, it is about the manager - if he sends them out set up alright, he fucks it up with changes. If he sends them out wrong, he does nothing for far too long, and then changes things too late.
I'd have more patience with him if he didn't talk such a convincing game.
He's a media-friendly bullshitter, and we're now seeing how out of his depth he is.
as it stands, the only team worse than us is Sunderland, FFS.
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Klopp seems the type who might go to an unfashionable, under achieving team, because that's what he did with Dortmund. But having proved his credentials, the chances of him doing it with Villa are astronomically optimistic.
Klopp said two weeks ago that he appreciates his next job might not be at a "top" club.
I'm not suggesting he is viable or that we should go for him, just pointing it out.
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Is the flick of the switch getting closer? The Stoke game is a must-win next week. Play Adama from the start this time.
???
Who would've though?
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His post match comments are worrying. Giving it the whole "This season is about staying up, judge me on next year" . Not exactly what he said at the end of last season. We lost two great players but the combined fee received was re-invested and enough to make us a comfortable mid-table side.
That's totally not what he's been saying up till now.
What a wanker. We finished 17th last season, and he's now suggesting that finishing 17th again is what this is all about?
I dislike this bloke more and more.
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He also said "the club decided to bring in young players." so distancing himself from all the signings. If it was up to him he'd have probably broken the bank for Vardy and Andros Townsend.
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They were so weak defensively, Sherwood's cowardly tactics were inexcusable.
How the fuck did Sinclair stay on?
Why the fuck did he take Grealish off?
What the fuck did he think would happen with that stupid 'rope-a-dope' strategy in the first half?
Who the fuck in the coaching staff thinks Westwood should be taking corners?
Where the fuck is our next win coming from?
Grealish was dire today and needed the hook at HT.
He hardly ever got the ball. When he did he looked like doing something, but he had no support.
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Klopp seems the type who might go to an unfashionable, under achieving team, because that's what he did with Dortmund. But having proved his credentials, the chances of him doing it with Villa are astronomically optimistic.
Klopp said two weeks ago that he appreciates his next job might not be at a "top" club.
I'm not suggesting he is viable or that we should go for him, just pointing it out.
Sounds like Liverpool then. They're all convinced he'll be replacing Brenda.
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Sherwood could one day be a decent manager but he needs to go down the leagues and learn the ropes.
Why 'one day'? Not sure what he has done to suggest being good in the future
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He also said "the club decided to bring in young players." so distancing himself from all the signings. If it was up to him he'd have probably broken the bank for Vardy and Andros Townsend.
Not only trying to pass the buck but factually incorrect. Unless you consider Lescott, Richards, Crespo, Gestede and Gueye as 'kids'.
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Clark has done well when he has played but Sherwood continues with Richards and Lescott who were both good players once but maybe not now. Richards is a right back or was and is not a centre back.
Haven't seen the game but why can't Villa perform for the whole game instead of just part of it?
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Tim Sherwood said in March:
If we get out of this situation this season, we aren't going to be in it next year. Never. Because I will have the opportunity to build something and I won't let that happen again.
Tim don't half talk some bollocks.
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Clark has done well when he has played but Sherwood continues with Richards and Lescott who were both good players once but maybe not now. Richards is a right back or was and is not a centre back.
Haven't seen the game but why can't Villa perform for the whole game instead of just part of it?
Richards is a very good centre-half for a club at our level. He is probably a better right-back, but then who else would play centre-half if Clark replaces Lescott?
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Klopp seems the type who might go to an unfashionable, under achieving team, because that's what he did with Dortmund. But having proved his credentials, the chances of him doing it with Villa are astronomically optimistic.
Klopp said two weeks ago that he appreciates his next job might not be at a "top" club.
I'm not suggesting he is viable or that we should go for him, just pointing it out.
Sounds like Liverpool then. They're all convinced he'll be replacing Brenda.
What pisses me off about that is that despite the three points we gift-wrapped them today, the team most likely to replace their manager with Jurgen Klopp is Liverpool.
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Clark has done well when he has played but Sherwood continues with Richards and Lescott who were both good players once but maybe not now. Richards is a right back or was and is not a centre back.
Haven't seen the game but why can't Villa perform for the whole game instead of just part of it?
We've generally Been having a half decent 45 mins per game.
Today we only managed 20 mins .
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I have just heard Sherwoods post match interview and am fucking disgusted.
He appears to have written the season off, and we are not even out of September.
'Judge me in season 2016/17 ???'
Fuck off.
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Come on we didn't think we would beat Liverpool today based on our form so far this season . The Stoke game is a must win because we have Chelsea to follow, I'm usually all for giving Managers more time but we've done this with the previous manager and it really didn't work. I think the least we can expect is a win in the next three games, if we don't we will be cut adrift. I would then let this Manager go unless we've taken the decision stay with come what may.
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Clark has done well when he has played but Sherwood continues with Richards and Lescott who were both good players once but maybe not now. Richards is a right back or was and is not a centre back.
Haven't seen the game but why can't Villa perform for the whole game instead of just part of it?
Richards is a very good centre-half for a club at our level. He is probably a better right-back, but then who else would play centre-half if Clark replaces Lescott?
Okore?
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Come on we didn't think we would beat Liverpool today based on our form so far this season . The Stoke game is a must win because we have Chelsea to follow, I'm usually all for giving Managers more time but we've done this with the previous manager and it really didn't work. I think the least we can expect is a win in the next three games, if we don't we will be cut adrift. I would then let this Manager go unless we've taken the decision stay with come what may.
AGAIN!
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what the fuck is Wilkins doing?
Looking fat with a smug grin on his face. Also saying words like "delighted" and "marvellous" a lot
...and getting paid top dollar for impersonating a barrel
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Geez it's depressing being a Villa fan. Five years of rubbish. Time to pull the plug. We're doomed this year.
Sherwood out.
that's the spirit!
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Clark has done well when he has played but Sherwood continues with Richards and Lescott who were both good players once but maybe not now. Richards is a right back or was and is not a centre back.
Haven't seen the game but why can't Villa perform for the whole game instead of just part of it?
Richards is a very good centre-half for a club at our level. He is probably a better right-back, but then who else would play centre-half if Clark replaces Lescott?
The problem today was not the centre backs, it started before the game with the wrong team selection, then the three centre midfielders were ball watching in the first minute to give Milner all that space. Sanchez was the best midfielder IMO, yet knew it would be him who got the hook. The manager needs to look at his own actions. I got stick for going on about his selection the other night, he got away with it against a piss poor side who passed the ball around the park better than us in the first half. I really thought there was a chance to go 3-5-2 today to mirror their team and not give them the space they loved.
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Clark has done well when he has played but Sherwood continues with Richards and Lescott who were both good players once but maybe not now. Richards is a right back or was and is not a centre back.
Haven't seen the game but why can't Villa perform for the whole game instead of just part of it?
Richards is a very good centre-half for a club at our level. He is probably a better right-back, but then who else would play centre-half if Clark replaces Lescott?
Okore?
I was hoping he'd come up with somebody not injured.
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There is an option to switch hutton and Richards
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So after his best showing so far, and we are chasing a game, Sherwood decides not to use Ayew.
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There is an option to switch hutton and Richards
Move our best centre-half to get a good right-back and replace him with a shit right-back? Even Tim's not that dim.
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I know it is impatient, and I know all the arguments for giving him time, but I can not be fucked any more.
You are not impatient.
Sincerously, I admire the composure of you English guys, you seem and probably you are wiser, and I would like to be more patient too, but enough is enough.
In Italy fans would have diserted the stadium after (not 5 years but) 5 games of this s*it. Doing the same, by protesting, we probably would have obtained some result, like we did with AML, instead of this continuos demonstrations of incapacity by the board and the managers.
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Cockney wanker.
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A shocking team selection, team set up and performance. How we managed to score twice is beyond me. As many have said, Liverpool were certainly a fragile opponent and yet we sat back so deep it was just crazy. I really believe that if we had pressured them from the the start it was a game we could have won. I'm very worried about how this will all end.
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I still cannot believe how people are praising the manager for the way he changed things the other night as I have said before, we were playing a piss poor team and he decided to play hoof football when you have players who are suited to play the ball on the ground. The tempo today was useless for most of the game and the way we let them have the ball was shocking. That said, I think the comments of getting rid of the manager now is far too premature, especially for someone like Allardyce
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Even woeful football tactics aside, As a pure business decision keeping in mind the new TV deal next season, I'd sack sherwood now - pay him off £5m say. Then I'd take allardyce on a deal £2.5m + £2.5m if he keeps us up as a bonus, and if he does I'd rethink next summer.
Tim sherwood and his merry men (some more merry than others , that's you Ray) will take us down .
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Even woeful football tactics aside, As a pure business decision keeping in mind the new TV deal next season, I'd sack sherwood now - pay him off £5m say. Then I'd take allardyce on a deal £2.5m + £2.5m if he keeps us up as a bonus, and if he does I'd rethink next summer.
Tim sherwood and his merry men (some more merry than others , that's you Ray) will take us down .
Why on earth would anyone want Allardyce?
The bloke is a fucking relic. A relic associated with awful football.
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Pretty sure the game plan didn't involve going 1-0 down after 2 minutes. We were woefully shit for 70 minutes today, but how much of that was down to conceding so early. Obviously the formation and team selection didn't help matters but the whole game scenario changes a lot when you're already losing before you've kicked the ball.
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Even woeful football tactics aside, As a pure business decision keeping in mind the new TV deal next season, I'd sack sherwood now - pay him off £5m say. Then I'd take allardyce on a deal £2.5m + £2.5m if he keeps us up as a bonus, and if he does I'd rethink next summer.
Tim sherwood and his merry men (some more merry than others , that's you Ray) will take us down .
Why on earth would anyone want Allardyce?
The bloke is a fucking relic. A relic associated with awful football.
Because he'd keep us up short term and sherwood won't.
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Serious question - how long do we give him?
I think he would walk if the Sherwood out chants started and that could be next week
he isn't as thick skined at Lambert
this
october is a tough month
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No way will he walk listening to his words tonight.
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if we lose against stoke he is going to get pelters add to that the next tough half a dozen games and i reckon he will walk.
with any luck
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Even woeful football tactics aside, As a pure business decision keeping in mind the new TV deal next season, I'd sack sherwood now - pay him off £5m say. Then I'd take allardyce on a deal £2.5m + £2.5m if he keeps us up as a bonus, and if he does I'd rethink next summer.
Tim sherwood and his merry men (some more merry than others , that's you Ray) will take us down .
That is a cheap jibe at Wilkins, and uncalled for
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Pretty sure the game plan didn't involve going 1-0 down after 2 minutes. We were woefully shit for 70 minutes today, but how much of that was down to conceding so early. Obviously the formation and team selection didn't help matters but the whole game scenario changes a lot when you're already losing before you've kicked the ball.
I agree re the early goal, but the set up was obviously to contain when we were playing a team that was devoid of any confidence
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Even woeful football tactics aside, As a pure business decision keeping in mind the new TV deal next season, I'd sack sherwood now - pay him off £5m say. Then I'd take allardyce on a deal £2.5m + £2.5m if he keeps us up as a bonus, and if he does I'd rethink next summer.
Tim sherwood and his merry men (some more merry than others , that's you Ray) will take us down .
Why on earth would anyone want Allardyce?
The bloke is a fucking relic. A relic associated with awful football.
Even West Ham got rid of him.
I'm happy to give Sherwood the season. We gave Lambert long enough.
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Why does Westwood take free kicks, corners? He's fucking terrible
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Why does Westwood take free kicks, corners? He's fucking terrible
Why does he even start games ?
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Why does Westwood take free kicks, corners? He's fucking terrible
Why does he even start games ?
Yeah but if your corner can't beat the first man just put someone else on it
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Why does Westwood take free kicks, corners? He's fucking terrible
Why does he even start games ?
Yeah but if your corner can't beat the first man just put someone else on it
Or if it just floats, and floats, and floats..
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Why does Westwood take free kicks, corners? He's fucking terrible
Why does he even start games ?
Yeah but if your corner can't beat the first man just put someone else on it
Westwood's corners worked out okay sometimes for Benteke, and there was the one Rudy scored from first game. Now I'm not anal about these things, but the game that really sticks in my mind for brilliant corners was Everton at home last season when Benteke and Vlaar were found on about three occasions unmarked right in front of goal. Tim was manager, Jack was taking them. Were they so bad for the next few games that we reverted to Westwood's once-in-a-blue-moon successes, or did Tim just forget how good they were?
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The only corner I recall went along the ground to a Liverpool player today, was useless. Vertout did one free kick that Richards had a decent chance with.
Stop the nonsense re Sherwood, he needs to hold his tongue and get things right. He was an idiot the other night with his comments after the Blues game, but many on here agreed with him. Same at Leicester, he fecked up and blamed the players. The thing is, I think the team can come good but he has to wise up instead of being a mini Jose
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That Lancaster bloke seems to have a touch of the Sherwoods 😳
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where is this bright entertaining football he promised? are we cursed, does our club bring out the worst in managers? i think we have the players to have beaten them today but for some reason he chose to give them respect when their confidence is shot. Thats too many games we've lost to his tactics and he nearly fucked up Blose. Mmmmm i am beginning to question him and that's not good. he should stick to talent spotting because he's good at that at least
This exactly
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If Sherwood did walk who the fuck would we get in ?Another manager..another plan..!! Well they don't seemed to have worked for years...have got to the point now where I think I have to accept the inevitable... Our future looks very dim.
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He promised we wouldn't be in a relegation battle and now he's back tracking
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He promised we wouldn't be in a relegation battle and now he's back tracking
.......£40m later
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He talks a lot of shit, that's for sure. Yes we are a young team but they're HIS young team and he's got to get them playing. There were times today when it looked like Lambert was still in charge. Quite how that is possible I have no idea, yet he managed it with about 8 new players.
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Great cross and goal though - https://streamable.com/85tx
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There is an option to switch hutton and Richards
There is no option other than to make sure Hutton is never on the pitch for us again. Did you see the way he "escorted" Sturridge for their 3 goal?
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The simple fact is we have learnt to lose, over and over again...
I am sick of it - we turn up week after week, season after season and watch them lose
Losers
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Micah Richards has been superb at centre back, how the feck we got him I do not understand. Him and Lescott were not the problem today, likewise Guzan who I have had problems with but was good today. Amavi was good, though struggled to beat Clyne but at least he tried. Hutton was a mare early on but he did not get any protection from Sinclair, who I have to say was awful. Sanchez was the best mdfielder by far to me, but got hooked. Tim says Jack needs to be in the number 10 role, then plays him wide. He messed up again today
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Micah Richards has been superb at centre back, how the feck we got him I do not understand. Him and Lescott were not the problem today, likewise Guzan who I have had problems with but was good today. Amavi was good, though struggled to beat Clyne but at least he tried. Hutton was a mare early on but he did not get any protection from Sinclair, who I have to say was awful. Sanchez was the best mdfielder by far to me, but got hooked. Tim says Jack needs to be in the number 10 role, then plays him wide. He messed up again today
MOTD highlights suggest otherwise from Richards and Lescott, both looked shocking. Richards has no awareness of players running in behind him and doesnt sense danger like good centre halves should do. He often gets drawn to the player on the ball leaving space behind him like for the third goal. Lescott looks permanently stuck to the ground, chewing gum esque.
Fair play to the two full backs re the assists, another one for Amavi. Cracking goal from Milner, looked like Gueye was the one most at fault for that one.
Looked like Guzan made a couple of cracking saves near the end, might boost his confidence a bit.
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The 3rd Liverpool goal was just walked into the middle of the area with not one defender taking responsibility.
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Micah Richards has been superb at centre back, how the feck we got him I do not understand. Him and Lescott were not the problem today, likewise Guzan who I have had problems with but was good today. Amavi was good, though struggled to beat Clyne but at least he tried. Hutton was a mare early on but he did not get any protection from Sinclair, who I have to say was awful. Sanchez was the best mdfielder by far to me, but got hooked. Tim says Jack needs to be in the number 10 role, then plays him wide. He messed up again today
MOTD highlights suggest otherwise from Richards and Lescott, both looked shocking. Richards has no awareness of players running in behind him and doesnt sense danger like good centre halves should do. He often gets drawn to the player on the ball leaving space behind him like for the third goal. Lescott looks permanently stuck to the ground, chewing gum esque.
Fair play to the two full backs re the assists, another one for Amavi. Cracking goal from Milner, looked like Gueye was the one most at fault for that one.
Looked like Guzan made a couple of cracking saves near the end, might boost his confidence a bit.
Just looking again, the first goal was Gana
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I am fucking livid after watching that match again. 4-3-3 pressing them when they were totally lacking confidence. We would of slaughtered them ffs ......
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Great cross and goal though - https://streamable.com/85tx
There is no doubt that Amavi is a superb option from the left and he has now set up 4 goals (I believe) with terrific crosses.
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He's badly advised, the players don't do what he's expecting, it's just bad luck, a curse on The Villa or he's a complete tool.
I am reserving opinion til after Stoke.
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The Cockney Barry Fry.
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In Tim we trust.
Said nobody
When he was given a contract until 2018
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Pretty sure the game plan didn't involve going 1-0 down after 2 minutes. We were woefully shit for 70 minutes today, but how much of that was down to conceding so early. Obviously the formation and team selection didn't help matters but the whole game scenario changes a lot when you're already losing before you've kicked the ball.
I agree re the early goal, but the set up was obviously to contain when we were playing a team that was devoid of any confidence
Thats exactly why I'm pissed off today...not that we lost or for whatever bolx TS said in his post game interview about our season. What he did say and what was shown in the game "plan", was that we set up to frustrate them by not conceding and hoping to turn the Anfield crowd. The best way to achieve this would have been to get at them early with an attacking game plan rather than being defensive (which TS has regularly admitted we are incapable of doing). We scored 2 goals literally out of nothing, so its not beyond the realms of possibility that we could have won if we'd have actually played on the front like we did for an hour against Leicester or in the second half against Blose. TS got it wrong (again) today.
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Minor gripe: could whoever starts the post- match thread please include the score line in the thread title for the benefit of us ex-pats who come on here as our first news source. Thanks.
Thought we'd ship a few in this game and lose. Was fearing 2 or 3 nil, so mildly heartening we scored a couple too. I always record villa games on fox sports when it's a featured game, but never watch if we lose. Sounds as if we chucked away a good opportunity yesterday.
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Cannot understand his team selection, apparently he bought on players that turned the game against the sty then leaves one of the players on the bench. Sorry i have seen enough, yes this team needs time to gel but it isn't the players causing the problem it's the manager. I thought with his positive attitude he would be like a breath of fresh air pity he turns out to be tactically clueless.
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Minor gripe: could whoever starts the post- match thread please include the score line in the thread title for the benefit of us ex-pats who come on here as our first news source. Thanks.
Thought we'd ship a few in this game and lose. Was fearing 2 or 3 nil, so mildly heartening we scored a couple too. I always record villa games on fox sports when it's a featured game, but never watch if we lose. Sounds as if we chucked away a good opportunity yesterday.
Or even into the thread title.
I'll do it if I'm on straight after games.
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this team needs time to gel but it isn't the players causing the problem it's the manager. I thought with his positive attitude he would be like a breath of fresh air pity he turns out to be tactically clueless.
It wasn't the managers tactics that caused us to concede after 70 seconds against Liverpool. It wasn't the managers tactics that caused the fuck up that lead to Palace winning the game in the last minute. It wasn't the managers tactics that caused the equaliser or miss chance after chance against Sunderland. On the other hand...I do blame the manager for the capitulation against Leicester (despite numerous players making mistakes), the non-performance against Baggies and setting the team to sit deep/attempt to defend/frustrate against Liverpool when it would have been more frustrating for them if we'd have gone at them.
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Got so much to say , but just cant be arsed, same old same old every fucking week.
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I know how you feel; atrophy has taken over
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this team needs time to gel but it isn't the players causing the problem it's the manager. I thought with his positive attitude he would be like a breath of fresh air pity he turns out to be tactically clueless.
It wasn't the managers tactics that caused us to concede after 70 seconds against Liverpool. It wasn't the managers tactics that caused the fuck up that lead to Palace winning the game in the last minute. It wasn't the managers tactics that caused the equaliser or miss chance after chance against Sunderland. On the other hand...I do blame the manager for the capitulation against Leicester (despite numerous players making mistakes), the non-performance against Baggies and setting the team to sit deep/attempt to defend/frustrate against Liverpool when it would have been more frustrating for them if we'd have gone at them.
He sent us out to play the game in our half of the pitch against a side that has huge defensive weaknesses even after they scored early he still has us playing deep, only after they scored their second did he change the tactics. I think we have bought some very useful players we should be getting a better return.
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this team needs time to gel but it isn't the players causing the problem it's the manager. I thought with his positive attitude he would be like a breath of fresh air pity he turns out to be tactically clueless.
It wasn't the managers tactics that caused us to concede after 70 seconds against Liverpool. It wasn't the managers tactics that caused the fuck up that lead to Palace winning the game in the last minute. It wasn't the managers tactics that caused the equaliser or miss chance after chance against Sunderland. On the other hand...I do blame the manager for the capitulation against Leicester (despite numerous players making mistakes), the non-performance against Baggies and setting the team to sit deep/attempt to defend/frustrate against Liverpool when it would have been more frustrating for them if we'd have gone at them.
He sent us out to play the game in our half of the pitch against a side that has huge defensive weaknesses even after they scored early he still has us playing deep, only after they scored their second did he change the tactics. I think we have bought some very useful players we should be getting a better return.
Yes, I agree. I can't help thinking that the Leicester game remains as a lasting impression on Sherwood and had some bearing on how he planned for Liverpool. Dominating Leicester so completely from the start and for such a long period, only to inexplicably collapse when the game should have been easily won highlighted the brittle confidence of the team that day. But setting the team up to initially contain and frustrate the Liverpool, before switching to a more attacking style is ok if the opposition don't score almost from the kick off. Deciding to stick with Plan A until we were two down was a very poor error of judgement.
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A good day out.
Not read anyone else's thoughts yet but for me 3.2 flattered us immensely, to start with that team was fair enough but conceding so quickly derailed us and we didn't change anything quickly enough.
The spell where we did have a bit of pressure was pretty short lived but credit to Gested for his goals, the second one being magnificent, I'm still far from convinced that his all round play is anywhere near good enough but if keeps scoring he'll keep playing.
Finally Traore, a massive, untamed talent but there is something about the way he carries himself, his body shape that leads me to suspect we'll rarely see a long run of games from him. Just something that nags at me.
Overall, we got what we deserved.
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I'd feel a lot happier Sherwood leaving if Alardyce finds a new club first
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Just rubbish again.
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Well, we were utter shite and deserved to lose by more despite the fact that Liverpool were junk themselves. Far too defensive, far too deep - all we needed to do was press them high in the first twenty minutes, force some mistakes and get the crowd anxious but we played like we were scared of them. I also don't understand how a team with 9 players behind the ball can consistently leave so much space around the sides. One pass and Liverpool usually had a free run at our byline.
Richards had his worst game yet and is going backwards, Lescott was terrible. Hutton was the Hutton of old - utter shite. Amavi does have a good cross in him but looks like his confidence is draining as we lose every week. Gana had a complete nightmare and presumably wasn't fully fit - he gave the ball away constantly and only got punished for the 3rd goal. Westwood was non-existent, Sanchez was the best of a bad bunch again but always gets hooked anyway
Sinclair might score a few goals but he is a shadow of the player he was a Swansea. He lacks purpose when running with the ball, there's no aggression or confidence. I don't know why he stayed on. And why not give Ayew a run while his confidence is high - we didn't make our three subs and left players who could have made a difference on the bench.
Fair play to Gestede - he offers very little in general play but clearly knows where the goal is, much like Kozak really.
Individually I do feel like we have good players but we are still a really soft touch and the manager looks clueless. He tries to be clever tactically but gets it wrong because he doesn't have the brain for it.
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Seven games in is far too early to be thinking about a change of manager, he's made mistakes, they all do but I wouldn't be even considering another manager.
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it is getting very very worrying though
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I wouldn't necessarily knock any of the forward players, they were so isolated that whenever they did get possession they were immediately surrounded by three big Liverpool players with the nearest support somewhere over the horizon.
As an aside that new stand at Anfield is chuffing massive, the back seats will be in a different postcode to the rest of the ground, a steward told me the Season Tickets will be double the price as you'll be able to watch Everton from up there as well.
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Seven games in is far too early to be thinking about a change of manager, he's made mistakes, they all do but I wouldn't be even considering another manager.
No, neither would I.
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The Cockney Barry Fry.
Barry Fry is a cockney!
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There is no doubt that we are up to our necks in it again. All over the park there are massive deficiencies in this team. Any team that has Westwood in the centre of midfield is going to struggle. He would not get in any other team...a Championship player at best.
I said last week that TS will be fired by time we lose to Chelsea. Who we will get will be the problem. Forget Klopp he wouldn't touch Villa with a Barge Pole.
Could do with Rogers being sacked before TS, (which is likely if he loses the Merseyside Derby next week), then we could go for him or try & tempt Moyes back from Spain. Allerdyce will be the obvious candidate but will be very unpopular with the fans. I would take any of them over TS.
They will have to make the change or we will go down. Villa, Sunderland & Newcastle are the 3 worst run clubs by a mile and it shows!
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I know it is impatient, and I know all the arguments for giving him time, but I can not be fucked any more.
You are not impatient.
Sincerously, I admire the composure of you English guys, you seem and probably you are wiser, and I would like to be more patient too, but enough is enough.
In Italy fans would have diserted the stadium after (not 5 years but) 5 games of this s*it. Doing the same, by protesting, we probably would have obtained some result, like we did with AML, instead of this continuos demonstrations of incapacity by the board and the managers.
Excellent point fans tolerance of the last 5 years means we bear some responsibility for what we are now having to endure.
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Should have started with the team that finished against Blues. Very poor management for me not giving Ayew a game with his confidence raised. Also, why play 3 defensive midfielders inviting the opposition on to us? Sinclair looks lost and isolated. Still can't believe he always hauls Sanchez off when he is the best defensive midfielder we have?
Alarm bells are ringing for me and next Saturday is massive whether we like it or not.
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The bells are ringing for the claret and blue. (alarm bells that is)
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Should have started with the team that finished against Blues. Very poor management for me not giving Ayew a game with his confidence raised. Also, why play 3 defensive midfielders inviting the opposition on to us? Sinclair looks lost and isolated. Still can't believe he always hauls Sanchez off whern he is the best defensive midfielder we have?
Alarm bells are ringing for me and next Saturday is massive whether we like it or not.
I don't think the pre-match premise of the defensive line up was ill thought out, they were on a poor run and just off the back of a draw against Carlisle. To keep it tight for twenty minutes, get the crowd agitated and then step it up wasn't a terrible plan, only problem was we couldn't keep it tight for one attack and fuck knows how we were going to attack when we didn't move and kept giving them the ball.
An understandable plan, very poorly executed.
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I think the three in midfield was right, although i'd have gone with Veretout rather than Westwood. I would have started Clark as well. Ayew not coming on was a bit odd.
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The bells are ringing for the claret and blue. (alarm bells that is)
Get the fire brigade
Get the fire brigade
If you jump you've got to wait your turn
Friends all seem to laugh
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I think the sub was always going to be Ayew or Traore not both, particularly as Gestede had scored.
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I think the sub was always going to be Ayew or Traore not both, particularly as Gestede had scored.
I suppose he could have taken off Sinclair.
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I think the three in midfield was right, although i'd have gone with Veretout rather than Westwood. I would have started Clark as well. Ayew not coming on was a bit odd.
He won't drop Westwood, one his favourites as he has stated many a time. Can't believe however that he is left on set piece duty. Grealish or Veretout have much better delivery. Why don't we mix it up? no imagination.
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I think the three in midfield was right, although i'd have gone with Veretout rather than Westwood. I would have started Clark as well. Ayew not coming on was a bit odd.
He won't drop Westwood, one his favourites as he has stated many a time. Can't believe however that he is left on set piece duty. Grealish or Veretout have much better delivery. Why don't we mix it up? no imagination.
Westwood took a corner yesterday hardly left the floor, it was woeful. Grealish takes them much better.
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I think the three in midfield was right, although i'd have gone with Veretout rather than Westwood. I would have started Clark as well. Ayew not coming on was a bit odd.
He won't drop Westwood, one his favourites as he has stated many a time. Can't believe however that he is left on set piece duty. Grealish or Veretout have much better delivery. Why don't we mix it up? no imagination.
Westwood took a corner yesterday hardly left the floor, it was woeful. Grealish takes them much better.
A proper Sally Gunnell that was
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I think the sub was always going to be Ayew or Traore not both, particularly as Gestede had scored.
I suppose he could have taken off Sinclair.
You're right thinking about it although with us getting few crosses in he may have thought, understandably, that Sinclair was most likely to go through on goal.
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I think the three in midfield was right, although i'd have gone with Veretout rather than Westwood. I would have started Clark as well. Ayew not coming on was a bit odd.
He won't drop Westwood, one his favourites as he has stated many a time. Can't believe however that he is left on set piece duty. Grealish or Veretout have much better delivery. Why don't we mix it up? no imagination.
Westwood took a corner yesterday that hardly left the floor, it was woeful. Grealish takes them much better.
A proper Sally Gunnell that was
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After watching MOTD and what I've read, it's very hard to find any positives. But despite his faults is there a better header of the ball in the Prem than Rudy?
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yes but he wasn't playing yesterdasy
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After watching MOTD and what I've read, it's very hard to find any positives. But despite his faults is there a better header of the ball in the Prem than Rudy?
He's beginning to put me in mind of Tony Hateley.
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Just watching the goals again from yesterday has reminded me how bloody awful Hutton was. Also, seeing there first goal again, could Guzan had done better?
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Hutton wasn't at all helped by whoever was supposed to be playing ahead of him, his man pulled him inside near the centre halves and an LFC player moved into the space surrendered unopposed. This happened nearly all game.
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He's not a cockney. I get pissed off with this.
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Liverpool's 2nd and 3rd were both down to Hutton's poor play. Veretout could have done better to prevent their third but basically it all opened up from that side.
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After watching MOTD and what I've read, it's very hard to find any positives. But despite his faults is there a better header of the ball in the Prem than Rudy?
He's beginning to put me in mind of Tony Hateley.
As many of us around in the sixties have observed. Big Tone was a fantastic header of the ball but often criticised for his footwork which was not of the same standard...just like Rudy. However if the supply line is there ,and it was with Phil Woosnam and is now with Amavi those with exceptional heading ability will always score...and score a lot!
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After watching MOTD and what I've read, it's very hard to find any positives. But despite his faults is there a better header of the ball in the Prem than Rudy?
He's beginning to put me in mind of Tony Hateley.
As many of us around in the sixties have observed. Big Tone was a fantastic header of the ball but often criticised for his footwork which was not of the same standard...just like Rudy. However if the supply line is there ,and it was with Phil Woosnam and is now with Amavi those with exceptional heading ability will always score...and score a lot!
Indeed, and Phil Woosnam was often there to mop up any chances that big Tony might have fluffed, or more often that not put the ball on a plate for Tony to tap in. Hateley is still the greatest header of the ball I've ever seen in a Villa shirt, but as you say, he had his limitations elsewhere. I'm hoping Rudy can create a similar impact.
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Lost more prem games than anyone else in 2015
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So after his best showing so far, and we are chasing a game, Sherwood decides not to use Ayew.
Very odd , yet brought him on leading against Leicester.
He was on fire against b lose , why not him game time.
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Disappointed with the result bottom three not a good weekend for us I would liked to have seen Ayew come on we really need to beat Stoke next week.
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Hutton wasn't at all helped by whoever was supposed to be playing ahead of him, his man pulled him inside near the centre halves and an LFC player moved into the space surrendered unopposed. This happened nearly all game.
the reason the LFC player moved into the space unopposed for the third goal anyway was down to Micah Richards.
Then he stood admiring the chance developing and Sturridge sliding the ball in
Not saying he would have got back but surely you chase back in case of a poor touch, keeper saving it, hitting the post etc
Richards is fine on one on one duels, has a great leap on him, brings the ball out well from the back and has good pace
For a guy that has played very little football for many years, Im surprised by how athletically sound he has been
But his defensive instincts are really poor, just doesnt anticipate danger like a good centre half should
Hutton got an assist anyway yesterday, he is pretty average but if the other option is Bacuna then Hutton should play
*edit - just saw the Liverpool second again - Hutton and Richards both were brutal for it
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I think once okore is back I'd rather see Richards go to RB with Okore & Clark in the central berths
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The bells are ringing for the claret and blue. (alarm bells that is)
Get the fire brigade
Get the fire brigade
If you jump you've got to wait your turn
Friends all seem to laugh
I don't understand
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Gestede is gonna get goals, clearly. The balance of our side is wrong though, for me.
The midfield is absolutely awful. Grealish was too high up the pitch yesterday.
Lescott - I was happy he signed, but he's been awful.
Clark's got to come in to the side (at centre-half). Westwood and Gana to support Jack (and Gil). I'd put Bacuna on the right, Gestede with whichever one of Ayew/Traore/Sinclair/Gabby is in form to support Gestede. Really shows the inbalance of our squad, and there's still N'Zogbia and Cole knocking about.
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I wouldn't want the latter two anywhere near the squad and the sooner Westwood is dropped the better
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I agree Westwood's been poor. But so have the rest of the midfield. Veretout, Sanchez and Gana just look off the pace.
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I think we're safe from N'Zogbia. He didn't get a squad number did he? Or is my memory playing tricks on me?
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I really hope Sherwood re thinks his tactics for this game and has learnt a massive lesson. Ayewe must of been crying out to be on that pitch. With a pressing style of play. Their defenders would of been nervy and liable to make mistakes and get run ragged by Ayewe and Traore. With Jack pulling the strings as a Number 10 not on the right side of midfield !! gutted ......
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I think we're safe from N'Zogbia. He didn't get a squad number did he? Or is my memory playing tricks on me?
Number 28 according to Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Aston_Villa_F.C._season).
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I really hope Sherwood re thinks his tactics for this game and has learnt a massive lesson. Ayewe must of been crying out to be on that pitch. With a pressing style of play. Their defenders would of been nervy and liable to make mistakes and get run ragged by Ayewe and Traore. With Jack pulling the strings as a Number 10 not on the right side of midfield !! gutted ......
Ayew must have been straining at the leash after the Blues game. His confidence would have been sky high. Not so sure it would be now though...
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Seven games in is far too early to be thinking about a change of manager, he's made mistakes, they all do but I wouldn't be even considering another manager.
This....there's a lot that had already written Gestede and Ayew off after just a few games.
He's already under pressure though granted. He needs to find his best side. We've got goals in us and I still think this squad is capable of rattling off 3 or 4 wins on the spin...sooner rather than later though.