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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on September 22, 2015, 09:43:15 PM
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Well first half was awful, much better second half.
Veretout, Ayew, Grealish (what was he doing on the bench in the first half) all to start surely at Anfield.?
Still not convinced we'll be winning many games at premier league level with the personnel we have in key areas but maybe a point at Anfield if we defend well.
Surely Gabby is finished as a starter now. Not before time.
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He scores against Blues, he scores against Blues, Rudy Gestede, he scores against Blues.
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Yes, that is all.
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Great to get a win and see Ayew do well. Now my stream was atrocious so how did Veretout get on?
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Gestade equals Kevin Phillips for cult status now regardless of what else he does in a Villa shirt. Much better second half thanks to two decent substitutions. Grealish is a delight to watch, Ayew looked quite good and Veretout was impressive. Credit to Blues but they weren't good enough to cope when we raised our game. Its amazing what you can do when you start passing the ball round. We move on now while they can carry on obsessing over us until the next meeting.
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Much better 2nd half, for once the subs worked, Jack and Ayew were excellent.
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Shocking first half, but much better in the second. Lescott and Agbonlahor should not start at the weekend.
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well played Sherwood he set out the first half to play them at there own game then played football 2nd half.
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Who is this new Jordan Ayew? Thought he was fantastic.
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Gestade equals Kevin Phillips for cult status now regardless of what else he does in a Villa shirt.
Steady on. That's the sort of small time rubbish those idiots come up with.
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I only saw from 68 minutes onwards. I was impressed (but aware that the Rags are fucking shite)/
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Guzan 6, Bacuna 6, Richards 6, Lescott 4, Amavi 6, Veretout 6, Westwood 6, Gabby 4, Sinclair 5, Gestede 6 - Ayew 9, Grealish 9
Hutton and Sanchez needed back in, not sure about Sinclair maybe Richardson as a third midfielder instead for the weekend
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Get in, really good in second half, Grealish is a legend, and this team will come together. We said give it time, let's give it time.
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Shocking first half, but much better in the second. Lescott and Agbonlahor should not start at the weekend.
Sad to say it, but I don't think Gabby should start for us ever again. He's not a good enough footballer and no longer has the sheer acceleration that used to be his only real strength.
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I think TS was hoping to rest Grealish and save him for Liverpool, remember it was the sty we were playing so not getting too wxcited.
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2nd hald tempo was excellent. Blues to be fair are a decent side who could make the play offs. Need to build on this with the right selection on Saturday.
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Woeful first and good second half, obviously they are a small team, but in this period we can be content with this, and I am!
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stop your messing around
better think of the VILLA
time you scored us a goal
creating problems in town
RUDY a message to you RUDY
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Just saw the replay of the Gestede header. For all his faults, and he has a few, he can definitely head the thing into the fucking goal.
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Love Jack's reaction to the goal. Celebrates like a proper fan
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Well good second half and a well deserved win. Ayew was real eye opener...now we saw what he is capable of. Good decision on subs as he took off the two most useless players and on came the two who changed the game. Clark not a midfielder but much better than Lescott at CB. Also impressed with Veretout when he made some runs but poor passing let him down.
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Love Jack's reaction to the goal. Celebrates like a proper fan
As he did at the end as well.
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Veretout was disappointing. A bit one paced and always seems to opt for the backward pass, even if there are better options going forward.
Might be better for getting the game under his belt, but he didn't look head and shoulders above a championship team.
Most of our lot didn't in fact, save for Grealish. Who looked like just about the only footballer out there.
Credit to TS for not facking about at halftime when it clearly wasn't working. It looked all set up for another horrorshow.
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You put a cross like that over and Rudy will score. No doubt.Grealish is sublime, if he can add goals then I think we're looking at a George Best.
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Well done lads , Grealish superb as was Ayew lets hope he can kick on now.
Thought small heath played at their max and well but we weathered it and bossed the back 45 mins.
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Veretout was disappointing. A bit one paced and always seems to opt for the backward pass, even if there are better options going forward.
Might be better for getting the game under his belt, but he didn't look head and shoulders above a championship team.
Most of our lot didn't in fact, save for Grealish. Who looked like just about the only footballer out there.
Credit to TS for not facking about at halftime when it clearly wasn't working. It looked all set up for another horrorshow.
Veretout like Ayew needs to be given a chance, he's barely played any minutes. The fact he was looking for backwards passes says it all, it doesn't sound like he was that type of player in France at all.
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We really were dreadful first half, but credit where it's due the subs were the right ones. Ayew was a gamble admittedly on form thus far, but that was exactly what Tim was looking for when he brought him on against Leicester. Jack, just a wonderful, wonderful footballer. It is still early days, but I really think the lad can truly do whatever he wants in the game. He's got no outlandish pace but the way he went past their right back twice as if he wasn't there was just great to watch. I thought Sinclair did very well too, while he clearly wants to be a forward he seemed to do the job asked of him tracking back, and finally Veretout, second half I thought he really showed Westwood how to do his job, showed for the ball, moved it quickly and kept his head when under pressure. Still a way to go, but positives to be had.
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Listening to Rowett got to say I quite like him. Far too good for that bunch of *#*}*}*
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Listening to Rowett got to say I quite like him. Far too good for that bunch of *#*}*}*
Agree (he is one of us remember )
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I was impressed with Ayew for the first time, he was very aggressive and seemed to understand what was at stake. He showed up their bunch of cloggers for what they are and was unlucky not to score.
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If Alex McLeish gets bored of the punditry lark there's a career in Hollywood playing racist cops from the Deep South waiting for him.
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I thought Veretout had a good second half. Needs game time,don't see him working with Westwood.
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Chalk and cheese those 2 halves and it was a quality goal. Playing Westwood and Veretout (though neither convinces) in front of the back 4 and releasing the others to push on made a difference in the 2nd half. Grealish was excellent and Ayew looked like he could play football after all. Just hope it boosts confidence as we need some league points.
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Westwood is a weak link, slow weak play, and crap corners. Let amavi take the corners
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Gana and Adama with ayew kicking on and grealish . We still can stay in the prem as long as tS realizes you cant start with gabby
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Some credit too for Westwood. Didn't do a lot wrong tonight, and his passing was accurate, even in that shite first half.
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Savage was surprisingly neutral on the radio - just seemed to want a good game. He was pointing out our first half weakness without gloating.
He was fulsome in his praise of Sherwood for the substitutions at half time and was gushing about Grealish and Aye, plus switching Clark to centre half.
Sounded like a good atmosphere for a relatively poor crowd ( for a derby)
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Much better second half, but it's hard to give too much credit to Sherwood for doing little more than redress a poor starting selection. Despite the goal Gestede still looks a dud. We had three or four killer drosses pinged across goal in the second half and h was nowhere to be seen. Well done for getting the goal.
The real positive was the result but it was good to see Ayew do so much and Veretout play a decent role even if it was not exactly breathtaking. Grealish rarely looks anything but class.
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Listening to Rowett got to say I quite like him. Far too good for that bunch of *#*}*}*
Don't worry, he won't be there long.
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I thought Veretout had a good second half. Needs game time,don't see him working with Westwood.
Not convinced by Veretout to be honest. A bit too slow for my liking.
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Westwood is a weak link, slow weak play, and crap corners. Let amavi take the corners
I agree. Long term I'd go with Sanchez.....Gana....Veretout as first choice midfield.
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What the fuck, it was a plan?!?
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Some credit too for Westwood. Didn't do a lot wrong tonight, and his passing was accurate, even in that shite first half.
Would love to see his pass inaccuracy stars. He was shocking in the first half.
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This is half the problem, he is still trying to work out his best team.
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What the fuck, it was a plan?!?
I know! I'm listening to it now and i smell bullshit
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A worrying lack of invention throughout the first and most of the second half.
I know these games often aren't pretty, and it's all about the win.
But I can't recall their keeper making too many saves.
We will need to improve about 500 fold if we have any designs on even a mediocre league campaign this season.
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I thought Veretout had a good second half. Needs game time,don't see him working with Westwood.
Veretout needs to get a lot fitter and physically stronger to play in a 2 man midfield, one for next season I suspect
Clearly a tidy footballer though, put in some quality inside the full back passes tonight
But too much of the game passed him by
90 mins tonight should bring him on a good bit
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Thoroughly enjoyed that second half - how could you not?!
Clark makes a much better defender than midfielder, and he was better than Lescott at centre-back.
Richards continues to look good, although lacks composure a little I think.
Amavi is just a superb player, love watching him bomb forward and I think he is a pretty good defender as well.
Veretout in my opinion looks like a classy midfielder, always moving, gets around the pitch well. A few passes went astray but I think he will complement Gana very well.
Ayew was excellent, and surely did enough to replace Agbolahor in the team.
Grealish looked exactly like what he is - an exceptional talent. Just a terrific player to watch.
Good stuff.
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Much better second half, well done. Ayew showed promise and looks a much better footballer than Gabby. Surely, Gabby cannot start the next game. Unlike others, I was quite pleased with Veretout. Unlike Westwood, he actually wins the ball from time to time and I think he plays some clever passes. Him, Sanchez and Gana look good, at least on paper.
I was criticising Gestede and his ball control, but it was a well taken header.
Surprised to see Lescott being so poor.
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I was impressed with Ayew for the first time, he was very aggressive and seemed to understand what was at stake. He showed up their bunch of cloggers for what they are and was unlucky not to score.
Did he find his level?
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I'm glad that's over. Now start winning some league matches.
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Tim ws saying that these derby games are made for Gabby. Mmmm..... Gabbys time with us is coming to a close. If Sherwood keeps starting him on some blind faith that he's going to play himself into form, he's playing a dangerous game. Gabby needs to be used as an impact sub. And if he fails at that he needs to leave the club. For me he encapsulates the mediocrity and coasting along attitude that has dragged our club down. It's not the lads fault he's not good enough. But sooner the club realises the fact that he isnt going to get any better, the sooner we can move on. Great to get a win though. Hopefully we can turn a corner soon.
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Back home thanks to RedSox. Awful first half, Lescott and Clark were dire. Much better second half, Jack and Ayew changed it for us. Shame it was only 1-0 but it will do.
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Well maybe TS can do substitutions. Grealish and Ayew gotta start on Saturday.
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Much better second half.
To be fair, Small Heath are shite and carry no threat at all, but we still bossed them second half. Ayew and Grealish with the increased tempo made a big difference.
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I was impressed with Ayew for the first time, he was very aggressive and seemed to understand what was at stake. He showed up their bunch of cloggers for what they are and was unlucky not to score.
Did he find his level?
No he's played hardly any minutes since moving to England, so maybe he's taking a bit of time to settle in.
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Fucked the fuckers.
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Shocking first half, but much better in the second. Lescott and Agbonlahor should not start at the weekend.
Sad to say it, but I don't think Gabby should start for us ever again. He's not a good enough footballer and no longer has the sheer acceleration that used to be his only real strength.
Think that's proof he's holding us back.
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Re Gabby, I do wonder how much the Sun garbage has affected him. He is human.
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Ayew
We signed the right Ayew
We signed the right Ayew
Etc
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Re Gabby, I do wonder how much the Sun garbage has affected him. He is human.
He has been 'affected' since 2011
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It's little monents like that which make it all worthwhile. Me and my mate, lifelong Villa fan Savospit, going crazy in the Holte.
Superb.
Even better is that my Bluenose friend's favourite song is Rudi Can't Fail by The Clash. I've texted him the Youtube link and ruined the song for him.
All in a night's work.
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Does anybody believe Sherwood when he says he was only ever going to give Lescott 45 minutes?
I'm not for one minute suggesting Jack is anywhere near the level of Iniesta but I've always thought he looks like he glides along with the ball and looks so comfortable, get the same feeling with our Jack, he was a joy to watch. Delighted for Ayew, he grew in confidence as the game went on and will have done him the world of good. We are a far better team without Agbonlahor in it.
Edit. Another thing, I like Alex McCleish, felt sorry for him tonight being in the studio with Dwight Yorke who makes Chris Waddle sound eloquent.
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Some credit too for Westwood. Didn't do a lot wrong tonight, and his passing was accurate, even in that shite first half.
Disagree , eased off the ball time after time first half, crap corners and literally adds nothing and slows us down
He's the type of player you'd love lining up against you
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Maybe it was just me but I thought Gabby was ok first half. Not great but not as bad as he has been or some of the others were first half. I think of a combination of the yellow and the knock he took are the main reasons he was subbed.
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Well first half we were awful second half much improved and deserved the win!
I am very disappointed with sherwoods comments after the game to defend that first half is ridiculous. To say that was the plan to stretch them by going direct is mystifying coming out saying we were poor would go down much better
As for the game thought Guzan looked solid bacuna indifferent for me! Thought amavi did ok and Richards was very impressive second half
Lescott was slow and ponderous and deserved to get the hook! Clark was a much better defender than midfielder
Veretout did ok but him and Westwood I'm not sure! Too similar?
Grealish was the class act on the pitch second half! Ayew gave me hope much better display than previous displays
Gestede for me is a player we have to cross the ball to as a hold up player he looks very poor! We have to play to his strengths otherwise he will be very ineffective
Gabby and Sinclair poor not enough movement or runs have to improve
Sherwoods had to make the change and it's the first time we were better for his subs
Let's hope gana is fit soon and traore
Feel it will be a long long season
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Westwood is a weak link, slow weak play, and crap corners. Let amavi take the corners
I agree. Long term I'd go with Sanchez.....Gana....Veretout as first choice midfield.
Is that based on today's performance or a more general view?
I thought Westwood was good today, constantly showing for the ball and typically selecting the right option. Hopefully Vertout will have his Ayew match soon as, from what I have read, his potential exceeds Westwood, but I don't think he has matched him yet.
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Maybe it was just me but I thought Gabby was ok first half. Not great but not as bad as he has been or some of the others were first half. I think of a combination of the yellow and the knock he took are the main reasons he was subbed.
Gabby did ok, he got flattened at one point, had a rag rolling about on top of him and still managed to get a pass away lying down
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Westwood is a weak link, slow weak play, and crap corners. Let amavi take the corners
I agree. Long term I'd go with Sanchez.....Gana....Veretout as first choice midfield.
Is that based on today's performance or a more general view?
I thought Westwood was good today, constantly showing for the ball and typically selecting the right option. Hopefully Vertout will have his Ayew match soon as, from what I have read, his potential exceeds Westwood, but I don't think he has matched him yet.
Vertout was better than westwood tonight IMHO .
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Veretout was disappointing. A bit one paced and always seems to opt for the backward pass, even if there are better options going forward.
Might be better for getting the game under his belt, but he didn't look head and shoulders above a championship team.
Most of our lot didn't in fact, save for Grealish. Who looked like just about the only footballer out there.
Credit to TS for not facking about at halftime when it clearly wasn't working. It looked all set up for another horrorshow.
I thought Veretout played well, mind you I was only 6 rows up in the lower Holte so it's not the best spot to judge from.
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Does anybody believe Sherwood when he says he was only ever going to give Lescott 45 minutes?
I'm not for one minute suggesting Jack is anywhere near the level of Iniesta but I've always thought he looks like he glides along with the ball and looks so comfortable, get the same feeling with our Jack, he was a joy to watch. Delighted for Ayew, he grew in confidence as the game went on and will have done him the world of good. We are a far better team without Agbonlahor in it.
Edit. Another thing, I like Alex McCleish, felt sorry for him tonight being in the studio with Dwight Yorke who makes Chris Waddle sound eloquent.
I've always remarked how similar Grealish appears to Iniesta, might not always be the one scoring or getting assists, but has a remarkable ability to keep the ball, glide past players and keep possession ticking over in the final 3rd.
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(Brief) Highlights...
http://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-birmham/351308
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I am very disappointed with sherwoods comments after the game to defend that first half is ridiculous. To say that was the plan to stretch them by going direct is mystifying coming out saying we were poor would go down much better
I'm pretty certain the direct balls were the designated tactics in the first half as he should should have been going ballistic at the players if they were not under instructions for playing such awful punts.
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The first half is what happens when you get dragged down to their level. Second half started playing football and they couldn't live with us. We're Aston Villa and we're taking the piss.
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All I really care about is that we won and that I have a massive man crush on grealish. Either he isn't as good as we think or he is and he leaves soonish, which i don't think I can bear. It would blow yorke and benteke and young and platt out of the water.
We can say sherwood's tactics worked. But I thought we looked like a shit championship team in the first half. Jack and ayew changed everything and Westwood and veretout started passing it forwards to feet
Clark in midfield? No. No no no no no.
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he made a blinding pass, but next minute a mare. give him time, I think he has a lot more to come as does ayew.
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Westwood is a weak link, slow weak play, and crap corners. Let amavi take the corners
I agree. Long term I'd go with Sanchez.....Gana....Veretout as first choice midfield.
Is that based on today's performance or a more general view?
I thought Westwood was good today, constantly showing for the ball and typically selecting the right option. Hopefully Vertout will have his Ayew match soon as, from what I have read, his potential exceeds Westwood, but I don't think he has matched him yet.
More long term, think we'd be better balanced as a team.
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Richards had an excellent game. He was dominant in the air and very solid in the tackle. The back four looked more settled with Clark as well.
It's obvious the subs changed the game but I was really pleased for Ayew. He was very direct and showed some excellent close control when running with the ball. All that was missing was a goal
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Another game of two halves.
1st half was shit. Nobody knew what they were doing and they were doing it badly. Lescott, Clark and Veretout in particular. Awful.
2nd half was completely different. Grealish is pure class. Have Villa ever had a player who can keep and control a ball like him (I've been going since mid 90's and haven't seen one). Ayew demonstrated why we forked out a lot of money. Vertout started to grow as the game went on, also showing he could be useful. On the whole though, we just moved the ball quicker. That was the main difference, and having Grealish in your team makes that so much easier.
It begs the question, why, when we can clearly do it, don't we move the ball quickly much more often?!?!?! Sherwood should take parts from all his games in charge where we move the ball quick and say thats how to play. Easy!
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The XI we finished with tonight should be the one that starts on Saturday. Only possible change may be Hutton for Bacuna
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Won the game which is the most important thing. Gestede scored a good header, Ayew did pretty well when he came on and Sherwood deserves some credit for making a couple of decent substitutions.
I thought Gray aside, Blues were really short of quality.
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My opinion remains unaltered. We are in for a dificult season. Beating a toothless Blues side leaves far too many questions unanswered.
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Grealish - MotM
Ayew - the footballer that looked so good on youtube
Veretout - 90 mins, quite good with the ball
Richards - dominant at the back
Guzan - made the save that he needed to make
Amavi - lovely cross, fast becoming a favourite of mine
Westwood - ok, but cut out the floaty corners
Observation #1 - vs WBA we had three free kicks in dangerous positions but didn't make the goalie work, today we also didn't worry the goalie too much. We need to do create more goal threat (and score some bloody goals) from free kicks.
Observation #2 - speed of passing needs to be crisper. It was rubbish on Saturday which is why we lost and today it was OK in the second half but needs more work.
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The XI we finished with tonight should be the one that starts on Saturday. Only possible change may be Hutton for Bacuna
Have you forgotten Hutton is shit?
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I know the draw for the League Cup is tomorrow, but does anyone know when the Lowest Spend & Clapping At The End Of A Defeat Cup draw is? The Noses on social media seem to think it's important all of a sudden.
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At half time I was fucking pissed off, I have been going to these derby's since 1968.
Memory dims , but that that first half was as dreadful as I have ever seen in a derby, I have always supported Gabby., but it is time out.
At half time I could not see us scoring, but hey we did.
Overall it was so low key, the crowd was nervous and I struggled to scream invective at the scum as they were crap and never really a threat.
Klan field at the weekend, 2nd half team please.
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It was a wonderful header from Gestede, but my God, he has a worse first-touch than Peter Sutcliffe.
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Good to see Sherwood getting in a couple of game changing subs before the opposition manager did. Decent win for us and let's hope we kick on. Richards, Grealish and Ayew were all excellent second half.
Oh and the half time bongo game was rather amusing.
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I have to give TS his due he changed it around HT and we were a different side. Sad to say, very sad to say I think Gabbys day as a starter are gone. Like to keep on the bench though. Rudy is not a footballer but boy can he head a cross in. Not sure how we work around that though. Jack is simply great. If he keeps his head we and England have true great to look forward to watching for years to come. But the main thing is we beat them tonight. They looked good and I think they have a really decent bloke as a manager. Loved it second half, the noise was awesome rocking .
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we were magnificent tonight, no not the team US, the Villa fans only once did I hear the noses with that , wipe that snot song and that was in 44th minute, Holte End you did us proud!!!
Tim got the substitutions right tonight, shows what I know I thought this was not the game for the boy genius my god he scared them to death, Ayew deserved a goal the control in the box wasclass, ref mat as well have put a blue shirt on, poor game. police blocking the road off , could do better, witton arms i'll never walk in there again, oh and forth round WERE IN IT, I miss spit the dog spose he'll crawl back under his shell with the rest of the inbreds.
all in all a Good Night.
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Oh and the half time bongo game was rather amusing.
That one fella that really went for it was ace.
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Chronic in the first half, mullered them in the second, although they missed probably the easiest chance in the game. Learnt a couple of things about some players - Clark is not and never will be a midfielder, Westwood's compass seems permanently set for sideways (maybe that's how he got the name)or backwards, Jack made a huge difference in creating space, and for the first time I saw a really good player in Ayew. Great noise in the Holte - the TV bleeper for rude words must have gone into meltdown. Didn't hear them at all although on WM afterwards they said the Bloosers made loads of noise. Disappointing turnout for the first time we played the great unwashed in over 4 years. Great to get them out the way and restore the normal order of things
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There looked more than 34k there I thought.
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First half was awful, worse than Albion. Hoof after hoof. So slow again.
Second half was much better. We looked better at the back without Lescott who's legs seem to have gone. Richards had his best game so far. Amavi, I do like him but he can't defend. Grealish changed the game, can't believe he didn't start with him being a local lad aswell. He had that bit of quality that the noses haven't got. Ayew did well, has he found his level? Gestede looks poor despite the goal, his touch and hold up play is below par.
Any win against them is all that matters though, hopefully it brings some confidence now.
Oh and they're absolute s#ite.
SOTC
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I thought Sherwood got his tactics completely wrong in the first half and as a result we looked like a poor Championship side. Fair play to him for making the changes at half time. For the first 15 or 20 minutes of the second half they could not live with us.
Pluses: Jack, Ayew, Richards, Vertout and Amavi. That and we beat the knuckledraggers.
Minuses: Clark in midfield, Gabby and Lescott. I was also disappointed by how at times we sat back after we scored and invited them to try and get back into the game. That can be so frustrating to see.
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There looked more than 34k there I thought.
I thought it was about right, plenty of empty seats in Doug Ellis upper wings and loads in top tier of trinity. Even gaps in upper North stand.
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For all the shitness that is villa and has been for several years . .
Grealish. I love him. I love how he slows the game down and looks in control against anyone. I love how much it means to him. I love how he waltzes past people without even needing to do a trick. I love how he adopts positions to receive the hall that gabby wouldn't even understand.
He just is who I wanted to be when I was his age and whatever happens I am going to enjoy watching this incredibly talented player for as long as we have the privelige. Yorke was the best villa player id seen in terms of appreciating time and space but at 19/20 he's the best. Watching him today was comparable to watching Rooney against our kids in the late nineties. He was just on a different level.
He's far from perfect but my god he's good
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This is half the problem, he is still trying to work out his best team.
Do we have an idea of what that is?
If everyone is fit maybe
--------------Guzan
Hutton, Richards, Clark, Amavi
------Sanchez, Gueye
Traore, Grealish, Sinclair
---------Ayew/Gestede
Gil, Veretout, Richardson (wouldnt rule him out getting back into the reckoning), Westwood, Okore, Bacuna all can offer something
Unless we are getting deliveries from wide like Amavi for the goal then Im not sure Gestede really helps us. Cant see many other players apart from Amavi providing him with those assists in our squad. If Ayew can kick on after tonight he might offer more as a lone frontman with a better touch, pace and mobility
Gabby and Lescott might be best off joining the ex footballer card school with Senderos, Cole and Nzogbia at Bodymoor Heath
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I was saying this last season and it still rings true, why I think Jack can be a great player is he makes the game seem so easy. That time he was out wide and 3 of them were around him and he still made keeping possession look like a piece of piss.
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Just got back, shit first half then Jack came on and ran the show.
SOTC
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Sing Michael Sing!
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I love a good headed goal and that was Andy Grayesque . Beauty
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I was saying this last season and it still rings true, why I think Jack can be a great player is he makes the game seem so easy. That time he was out wide and 3 of them were around him and he still made keeping possession look like a piece of piss.
Agree. I think if he can add that final product in terms of assists and goals then we will be looking at a very special player.
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Any win in a derby is fine by me, I'll take 1-0 every time. I'm sure its been said but first half was awful, no creativity, no width, nothing. Second half much better, Grealish changed the game, fuck knows what Ayew was on but that was a different player to the one we've seen so far, hopefully he'll kick on from here.
They'll be attempting to claim some morale victory but that defeat will hurt them like fuck, they'll all be lying awake thinking of that chance in the second half... I hope it riles them for weeks.
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Highlights
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Any win in a derby is fine by me, I'll take 1-0 every time. I'm sure its been said but first half was awful, no creativity, no width, nothing. Second half much better, Grealish changed the game, fuck knows what Ayew was on but that was a different player to the one we've seen so far, hopefully he'll kick on from here.
They'll be attempting to claim some morale victory but that defeat will hurt them like fuck, they'll all be lying awake thinking of that chance in the second half... I hope it riles them for weeks.
Yep. No matter how much they play it down and come out with stuff like "it was only 1-0" "we expected to lose" etc, we know that in reality, it's fucking killing them. Which is nice.
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What exactly happened at the Aston Tavern before the game then? Saw some of their peaky blinder clampits giving it the big un on Twitter.
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What exactly happened at the Aston Tavern before the game then? Saw some of their peaky blinder clampits giving it the big un on Twitter.
The most serious incident of the evening was reported at around 6pm when several windows were smashed at the Manor Tavern Pub in Portland Street, with one person suffering a minor head injury.
Officers responded quickly and arrested eleven men in connection with the incident.
In total 28 people were arrested throughout the evening and they will be questioned by officers about offences including violent disorder, affray, invading the pitch, drunk and disorderly behaviour and breaching banning orders.
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Given their track record for knowing their way around the city they all live in, would anyone be surprised they are saying "they did" the Aston Tavern if it was in fact the Manor Tavern they were at?
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What a sweet result. Crawl back under your rocks you Bluenosed bastards!
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Great to get a win and see Ayew do well. Now my stream was atrocious so how did Veretout get on?
Veretout did well in the first half even though our midfield was over run at times.
He was very good in the second half, too, as Ayew and Jack ran them ragged.
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just back home after a detour to drop off some lazy bugger who can't be arsed to catch the bus. ;)
Apart from the win, the best thing was seeing Timmay get the substitutions spot on. As wrong as he got them against Leicester, he got them right tonight.
Much more confident about Ayew after today. I thought he was very good, especially in the way he linked up with Jack.
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Did Savospit get banned or was he run over by one of those coaches that came from small heath.
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None of our new friends from Solihull seem so keen to come and talk to us tonight. I wonder why*?
*Some were banned it should be mentioned
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Guzan 6, Bacuna 6, Richards 6, Lescott 4, Amavi 6, Veretout 6, Westwood 6, Gabby 4, Sinclair 5, Gestede 6 - Ayew 9, Grealish 9
Hutton and Sanchez needed back in, not sure about Sinclair maybe Richardson as a third midfielder instead for the weekend
You gave Lescott a 4??
He'd have been lucky to get a 2 in my book
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just back home after a detour to drop off some lazy bugger who can't be arsed to catch the bus. ;)
You love me really.
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What exactly happened at the Aston Tavern before the game then? Saw some of their peaky blinder clampits giving it the big un on Twitter.
The most serious incident of the evening was reported at around 6pm when several windows were smashed at the Manor Tavern Pub in Portland Street, with one person suffering a minor head injury.
Officers responded quickly and arrested eleven men in connection with the incident.
In total 28 people were arrested throughout the evening and they will be questioned by officers about offences including violent disorder, affray, invading the pitch, drunk and disorderly behaviour and breaching banning orders.
I'd imagine just 28 arrests is a bit of a success for the police.
The Birmingham City Mail, with their pre-emptive Helen Lovejoy panicky nonsense, will be doubly-disappointed by tonight's proceedings.
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A few observations that I picked up on:
1. Clark has lost that mobility he had when he played midfield under Houllier and looked like a centre half in midfield. Perhaps coming on as a sub when we need to shore up the defence and sitting just in front of the back four but never when we want to be taking the game to the opposition.
2. Veretout has an awareness that Westwood will never hope to have. Things didn't come off for him in the 1st half with his passing but he grew into the game and when he decided to really get involved he played some really intelligent football, with good link play and passing.
3. Ayew showed more desire to be involved in the game in one half than I have seen from Gabby in all the games this season. Some of his first time control was very good, something that Gabby could only dream about.
4. Lescott cannot play week in week out. I think I would go with Clark and have Lescott as the back up.
5. Gestede cannot play with his back to goal. Crosses have to come in from the side of the penalty area or slightly at an angle. Did notice that once Gabby was off the pitch his movement was far better and therefore do not think 4-4-2 suits him.
6. Westwood is a tidy player but faced with two lines of 4 defenders in front of him, he cannot play incisive balls through the gaps and that is why he plays so many square balls across the face of the first bank of 4. He will not take the lead and instead pases the buck to another player. He was the senior midfield player on the pitch and should have been able to take the game by the scruff of the neck but he does not have the ability to do that. As others have said, the things he can do well, other players can do that and more. His dead ball play is not up to standard.
7. Amavi is a great overlapping fullback but we need to create the space for him to run into. Other players have to drag that first midfield player inside away from the touchline. Give him the space and he will get to the right position to cross and he will put in accurate crosses.
8. Our central defenders/defensive midfield players have to be more assertive when going for the ball i.e. put their name on it and go for it. Otherwise we end up with 3 players going for the same ball and the Keystone Cops routine of them all falling over and presenting the ball to the opposition.
9. Everything has been said about Grealish but he needs to build up to playing for 90 minutes and dictate the flow of the game.
10. Sherwood has got to bring Veretout and Ayew into the team and persevere with them because they do look as though they have more in them than what else we have.
11. We need pace in the team at times and the sooner Traore is fit the better. He needs to be brought on as sub at the right time in games. I do not think he is anywhere near starting games in the PL and needs introducing slowly but regularly.
12. I have been critical of the fans over the last couple of games but thought they got behind the team from the start and for most of the game. It went a bit flat during the first half and still do not agree with the booing at half time. I believe booing gives more of a lift to the opposition than a kick up the backside to the Villa players, who are suffering through lack of confidence. That said, the positives far outweighed the negatives and hardly heard their fans.
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Some bitter Noses over on sha.com. Ha ha!
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What exactly happened at the Aston Tavern before the game then? Saw some of their peaky blinder clampits giving it the big un on Twitter.
Nowt, the place was packed with coked up Villa lads, the gaffer asked for the Police to have a van outside, they then closed the place.
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I thought Alew was fantastic
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What a difference a Jack makes! :)
1st half: absolute shite...the worst 45 minutes so far this season. I was bemused by the team selection but saw the subs and thought he'd change it in the second half after winning the battle in midfield and bringing on our flair players. Obviously thats not quite how it panned out as they dominated proceedings with the first half team selection looking completely lost and no idea where and what they should be doing other than punt long balls into Gestede. I'm not sure I believe this was some kind of master plan by TS as he is making it out to be...we were lucky that they were so toothless up front and he better not try that shit again because it was pure bolx.
2nd half: you couldn't find a clearer example of a game of 2 halves...so if that is what TS actually planned with his substitutions then it worked. We were a joy to watch, Jack was running the show with pure skill and genius, we started playing our fluid passing game, Ayew looked like a new man with skills and pace, great finish from Gestede with the best cross of the game from Amavi...and Villa Park was rocking.
I'm not going to criticise players on a night when we sent the Blue scum home with nothing but their 6 fingers to chew on, but Gabby is done, Gestede has the touch and skills of a cart horse/donkey...and I'm starting to find Amavi a little bit frustrating...clearly in acres of space, the talent, skills and speed to beat his man, but is reluctant to commit himself going down the line when we could easily get to the line and whip in a cross. Is it confidence or is he under instructions not to leave us open down the flank if he loses possession?
Anyways, a great night, a great win (would have liked us to have put a few more chances away) and hopefully we can start picking up points in the league...UTV! SOTC!
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Some bitter Noses over on sha.com. Ha ha!
Are they still talking about the thousands they had in the home stands?
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I have only speed-read the thread, but I disagree with everybody about the first half. They had a good opening spell attacking our wide areas, and then we exposed them both through the middle and wide, with Gabby wearing them down physically with the Sumo wrestling as routinely practiced in the Preemier.
In my view, the first half paved the way for the second, with the introduction of more skillful players. So TS got it right on the night.
This is the fourth time this season that I have seen their player Grey, and he is very good.
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I don't pay much attention to SHA but they are shite am they, I really wasn't concerned at all. They are shit
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Despite the opposition at least once again in the 2nd half I saw signs of a good footballing side starting to develop. Admittedly it needs to develop quickly and we still need a genuine finisher but if they can keep that up then we should be okay. Veretout was good I thought unlike some others.
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Today is a great example of why it means fuck all to beat the Rags. They really are utter shite.
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Some bitter Noses over on sha.com. Ha ha!
Are they still talking about the thousands they had in the home stands?
Oh yes, and they're upset with Sherwood's post match comments as well. They always have to create a pantomime villain to blame for all their woes.
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I don't pay much attention to SHA but they are shite am they, I really wasn't concerned at all. They are shit
Agreed. Even though we didn't play well first half but neither did they. Second half was one sided and they were lucky we didn't win by 3 or 4 clear goals.
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This is going to rumble on. I must admit I was cringing when Sherwood said it was the first half tactic. This was Rowett at the end of the Tom Ross interview.
Tom, Did he actually really say that? (that Vile played bad on purpose)"
TR: "Yeah on my life..."
GR: "F*ck off, Jesus Christ"
TR: "He said that was our tactic..."
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This is going to rumble on. I must admit I was cringing when Sherwood said it was the first half tactic. This was Rowett at the end of the Tom Ross interview.
Tom, Did he actually really say that? (that Vile played bad on purpose)"
TR: "Yeah on my life..."
GR: "F*ck off, Jesus Christ"
TR: "He said that was our tactic..."
Ha ha, fair play, Tim!
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I thought it was a deliberate attempt by him to do the opposite of what he did after Leicester. Kept it totally positive...
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http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34332646
All a bit weird.
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;D
Nice to put the shit back under their rock for another few years. Now let's get on with improving in the league. Obviously the first half wasn't good, but I didn't think it was as bad as some have made out, never felt like the rags were taking control and once we stepped it up they were blown away.
Leave them to their bleating about money. That's why they're a bag of balls, because they don't spend anything and buy non entity players, I don't mind them admitting it. They can have a well done star for keeping the score down, or put it on their honours list.
Ayew looked a huge upgrade on flabby Gabby. Gabby has fucked himself up piling on the muscle for image, rather than keeping lithe and playing to what talent he had.
Jack, well done kid, more to come from him.
Gestede, if he is to be the main man we've got to get plenty of balls in to the box, the guy has a fucking thunderous bonce doesn't he.
All in all glad to get a win, glad to send them home clinging to the bare minimum of consolation. Hope they enjoy reminiscing about the 1-0 defeat/win whilst they're watching Barnsley or whoever they play.
Up the Villa.
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Rowett's only been at the Sty for a few months yet he seems be as bitter as the best of them already.
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Rowett's only been at the Sty for a few months yet he seems be as bitter as the best of them already.
I get the feeling he's bought in to the Sty shit that he's some kind of tactical genius. I didn't see it myself. One plan that they stuck to rigidly. We were there for the taking first half, with morale low and results going against us and I didn't feel they threw that much at us. On the pitch one of the lowest key derbies for a little while.
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We gave them our team in advance, rested our best player in the first half, came into the game in a ludicrously-poor run of form and they still couldn't beat us.
They really do break yer 'art Tom.
Still, good news for them is there are at least thirty-four more Villa matches this season for them to obsess over.
You never know, one or two of them might even check how Blues have been getting on from time to time.
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What exactly happened at the Aston Tavern before the game then? Saw some of their peaky blinder clampits giving it the big un on Twitter.
Nowt, the place was packed with coked up Villa lads, the gaffer asked for the Police to have a van outside, they then closed the place.
Zog is not the only Charlie which is causing us grief. I implore da yoots: Save Yer Septums Innit.
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Congratulations Villa!
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If he knew what our team was going to be shouldn't that have given them an advantage? They sat in their own half for 45 minutes and seemed to think that this constitutes "dominating" a game. We actually went to attack and pass it about in the second half and tore them to pieces.
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Just watched Rowett's interview. I have to say, what a decent bloke.
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Job done, enjoy tomorrow , but by Thursday we will all be thinking about the Liverpool game.
They will still be thinking about us all the time , they really are f~cking obsessed.
The only crumb of comfort I can offer those arseholes is that you are our biggest rivals.
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Seems to be some rather odd shit flying about in the managers post game interviews...heard Rowett on radio (not sure if it was WM, 5Live or Talkshite) say that he overheard a Villa player at half time say we can't keep playing the direct football we'd been playing in the first half so doesn't credit TS with being the one who changed the tactics. There was also the bit about intentionally playing tactics to get booed off at half time. Bizarre.
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when was the last time you heard a manager (not named Wenger) after a defeat so obsessed with what an opposition (manager or player) did or didn't do?
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when was the last time you heard a manager (not named Wenger) after a defeat so obsessed with what an opposition (manager or player) did or didn't do?
Mourinho after just about every game they don't win!
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It's called sour grapes. The usual small time shit you get with them, deflecting away from the result which is of course all that matters, with an array of bollocks to make them feel better about fucking up their world cup final.
They'll never be a better time to beat us and their messiah, the supposed tactical mastermind fucked it up and they didn't have the balls to have a proper go at us. If the first half was the culmination of their plan then there was only ever going to be one result.
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Proper chip on his shoulder has Rowett. They've taught him well at the Sty.
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when was the last time you heard a manager (not named Wenger) after a defeat so obsessed with what an opposition (manager or player) did or didn't do?
Mourinho after just about every game they don't win!
Mourinho's just flat out bitter and it's everyone's fault but his or his teams. I don't think he goes on about the opposition manager or players. Mainly blames the ref, assistants, FA, Allah, the value of the Euro, the curry he recently had etc
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Proper chip on his shoulder has Rowett. They've taught him well at the Sty.
He spent £1.5m this summer on paper round wages. He has a right to compare. You can still tell he loves the Villa. He's fine in my book (providing he either leaves or relegates them).
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It's called sour grapes. The usual small time shit you get with them, deflecting away from the result which is of course all that matters, with an array of bollocks to make them feel better about fucking up their world cup final.
They'll never be a better time to beat us and their messiah, the supposed tactical mastermind fucked it up and they didn't have the balls to have a proper go at us. If the first half was the culmination of their plan then there was only ever going to be one result.
They played us at what I hope will be our lowest point of the season and still couldn't get a result. And in the end by fractions avoided a pasting. It was two bland sides where they shaded the play and chances in the first half. But for the one real second half opportunity which in fairness they should have scored it was pretty much all us.
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Just watching the highlights again and they only really created one perhaps two decent chances the whole match. We should have wiped the floor with them second half.
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Considering they "cut us apart" first half, the only times I can remember being worried were the 2 shots on target they had, the freekick down Guzan's throat and the chance that bloke nobody has heard of missed in the second half. Only other thing I can remember is a shot dragged well wide in the first half. Cut us apart my arse. Even though we were crap in the first half they still created virtually nothing.
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Blues were fucking awful the whole match. The first half we were utterly abysmal. I heard an interview with Sherwood where he implied the first half was all part of a cunning master plan.
Utter bollocks, we made an awful bunch of championship cloggers look better than they were.
Second half infinitely better. Veretout looked hugely improved, Jack was excellent, and Ayew was superb.
Thought the atmosphere was great. Flat for 20 mins in the first half, and even though it was justified, I don't like half time booing, but excellent in the second half.
We have a decent number of technically gifted players. Sherwood needs to get more performances like the second half out of them, and none like the first.
As for Small Heath, what sad twats they and their shitty little club are. All cockahoop because they broke a window n a pub or something. What ******.
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This is going to rumble on. I must admit I was cringing when Sherwood said it was the first half tactic. This was Rowett at the end of the Tom Ross interview.
Tom, Did he actually really say that? (that Vile played bad on purpose)"
TR: "Yeah on my life..."
GR: "F*ck off, Jesus Christ"
TR: "He said that was our tactic..."
Ha ha, fair play, Tim!
Fair play to Rowett, though, he is actually right about that, it was absolute bollocks t suggest that was the plan.
I almost crashed the car when I heard that on the way home.
It was his cunning plan to spend 45 minutes hopelessly lumping the ball long, making a truly third rate parks team look decent and get booed off at the end of it?
Really?
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1st half : Safe
2nd half : phew.
Grealish and Ayew were great when they came on. Clark was infinitely better in defence than midfield. I like Amavi.
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I didn't think you could tell which team were Premier League and which were Championship in the first half, but to be fair we appeared to take the sting out of them for the second half. Good substitutions by Sherwood I thought. Gabby was more of a walking red card than a walking goal threat. I reckon he has lost it, he knows it and is naturally frustrated. I am surprised at the post match criticism of Clark. I thought he had a very good game. The atmosphere wasn't as nasty as I expected given the break since we last played them. They seemed more like happy campers enjoying their big day out. Perhaps the last few years have taken the delusions of grandeur out of them a bit. But the general gist I got from listening to WM whilst driving home from the game is that we could only beat them by one goal so basically it doesn't really count. If you add up their real victories and their moral victories over us we have never actually ever really beat them so tonight just continues their amazing unbeaten run against us.
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Too right, Damo. Tonight will go down in their history book.
What a silly, poxy, small time club they are.
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I thought B-lose did well first half.
Considering they only had two players in the first team I had heard of before (and three in the squad altogether) there didn't look like a huge gulf between the sides. More than that, they were happy to play a possession game, and always seemed to have a man over in central midfield.
There weren't many clear cut chances in the first half, and Rowett is on the jazz cigarettes if he thought they tore us apart, but they did look sharper on the counter. We offered nothing, and it looked for all the world that we might have another 03/03/03 to contend with.
Ayew ran around a lot when he came on, but there was very little focus to it all. I don't recall him going past a player often (or ever) and getting a shot off. An improvement on recent showings, but that wouldn't have been hard.
Young Jack changed the game. Where previously our passing was pedestrian, constantly playing the obvious ball and then surrendering possession, with him, the ball stuck. It was a different challenge from that point on for the Rags, and one they ultimately couldn't contend with.
If the Great Unwashed want to claim this as a moral victory, that's fine. Add it to the pile.
For us, we need to find a way of ensuring Grealish, Gil and (when fit) Traore are all in the starting XI. Because there isn't much attacking nous beyond them.
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Where's our friend Savo gone??
Boom Boom Boom let me hear ya say Savo, Savo!
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Re Gabby, I do wonder how much the Sun garbage has affected him. He is human.
He is more likely to be infected rather than affected by the garbage he gets up to!
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Too right, Damo. Tonight will go down in their history book.
What a silly, poxy, small time club they are.
They will talk about those two corners in the last few minutes where we were "forced" to waste time for years to come. How they humilated us with that passage in play!
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I thought B-lose did well first half.
Considering they only had two players in the first team I had heard of before (and three in the squad altogether) there didn't look like a huge gulf between the sides. More than that, they were happy to play a possession game, and always seemed to have a man over in central midfield.
There weren't many clear cut chances in the first half, and Rowett is on the jazz cigarettes if he thought they tore us apart, but they did look sharper on the counter. We offered nothing, and it looked for all the world that we might have another 03/03/03 to contend with.
Ayew ran around a lot when he came on, but there was very little focus to it all. I don't recall him going past a player often (or ever) and getting a shot off. An improvement on recent showings, but that wouldn't have been hard.
Young Jack changed the game. Where previously our passing was pedestrian, constantly playing the obvious ball and then surrendering possession, with him, the ball stuck. It was a different challenge from that point on for the Rags, and one they ultimately couldn't contend with.
If the Great Unwashed want to claim this as a moral victory, that's fine. Add it to the pile.
For us, we need to find a way of ensuring Grealish, Gil and (when fit) Traore are all in the starting XI. Because there isn't much attacking nous beyond them.
You mean apart from when he went past a load of theirs, and got a shot off?
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when was the last time you heard a manager (not named Wenger) after a defeat so obsessed with what an opposition (manager or player) did or didn't do?
He is a fan he cares!
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We have some very gifted players on our hands who can be a joy to watch. Ayew looks like he's an exciting talent too. Why set us up for long ball tactics first half I don't know? Why admit we did it on purpose is all very strange indeed.
Anyway credit where credits due, Lescott was awful so well done for taking him off, Clark was much better there. Jack was excellent, him and Ayew completely upped the tempo and proved playing football is the way forward.
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There looked more than 34k there I thought.
Only 4K Villa with 30K from Druids Heath and surroundings.
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I was sat in c1 lower trinity. Ayew was terrorising their full back. He turned him inside out. He went past him numerous times and put some great balls across.
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We do have gifted creative players - Gil and Adama weren't even playing. We need to find a way to support them though. At the moment i think we have to play three in midfield cos we keep getting over run when we don't. That means we can only play two out of grealish, Gil, Adama and Sinclair at the moment. And someone needs to fill the no 9 role much better than they've done to date.
It was a great header from gestede and he clearly improved after the goal. But up until then it was like watching a drunk giraffe. He wasn't bad he was hopeless.
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It was a great header from gestede and he clearly improved after the goal. But up until then it was like watching a drunk giraffe. He wasn't bad he was hopeless.
;D
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Well, that shut the tossers up for a year or two - enjoy!!!.........
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Just saw the replay of the Gestede header. For all his faults, and he has a few, he can definitely head the thing into the fucking goal.
If we could just bring him on for corners and free-kicks and take him off again - great!!...
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Our game management in the last 10 mins was first class. Tim and co have finally twigged.
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There looked more than 34k there I thought.
Only 4K Villa with 30K from Druids Heath and surroundings.
I said to my son I reckoned it was more than 34,000. I think we reopened Deadly Doug's nudge nudge wink wink, you ain't seen me turnstile again for the night. From my view in the lower North stand there seemed to be a lot of Villa songs and goal/full time celebrations from the Holte considering it was supposed to be full of noses.
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That second half gives us some cause for optimism I think. To give Sherwood the benefit of the doubt having a fresh Grealish and Ayew to torment them did the trick. They look a tidy, well organised team but once we upped it they struggled and we perhaps should have been further in front.
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http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34332646
All a bit weird.
""I actually knew their team [on Monday] funnily enough," said Rowett, who saw his side beaten 1-0 by Rudy Gestede's second goal of the season.
"That often happens - you often get a little tip-off. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're not."
Villa manager Tim Sherwood said he was unfazed by Rowett's "strange" claim.
Utterly bizzarre. Why claim you had an unfair advantage after err, you lose?
Here is a tip Mr. Rowett. As a manager when you talk shite after a game the idea is to make yourself and your team look better not worse.
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1-0 flattered them in the end. If we're counting missed opportunities like they are, then Villa were a couple of misplaced touches away from handing out a 3 or 4-nil hiding.
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Veretout was disappointing. A bit one paced and always seems to opt for the backward pass, even if there are better options going forward.
About the one-paced thing, right at the end he showed a turn of pace that I didn't know he had when he burned off their defender and took the ball into the corner on the right side.
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Well first half was awful, much better second half.
Veretout, Ayew, Grealish (what was he doing on the bench in the first half) all to start surely at Anfield.?
Still not convinced we'll be winning many games at premier league level with the personnel we have in key areas but maybe a point at Anfield if we defend well.
Surely Gabby is finished as a starter now. Not before time.
After the impact Jack had 2nd half(an I know it was only small heath) I'd be tempted to use him as an impact player for now.
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I'd rather use his "impact" for the whole game.
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Well the game's done and we've said everything that needs to be said. But more importantly did everybody get home safely? I was burning a candle in the glow of the moonlight for our fallen heroes; cut down in their prime by the vicious derring do of the mighty Bordesley Army. They showed The Holte on the TV and it looked awash with their hordes. must have been truly frightening.
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Maybe it was just me but I thought Gabby was ok first half. Not great but not as bad as he has been or some of the others were first half. I think of a combination of the yellow and the knock he took are the main reasons he was subbed.
Pheew, glad you wrote that, I thought I was going mad
The match thread is so predictable re Gabby , Guzan etc same old stuff written no matter how they play
For the record I don't reckon there is anyone on here been more critical of Gabby over the years than me, I was lukewarm when he was scoring hatricks, I have never rated him highly, ever
But last night he wasn't all that bad,
I was on the half line in the Doug stand Lower and saw most of his work at close quarters, and boy did he putt a shift in, baring in mind we were utter shit in that half he was our only decent player I thought
Also on the night IMO-
Gestede truly awful first half performance, no control or first touch, slow lumbering and total ineffective, obviously improved in the second and got the winner, but if we are relying on him for the goals this season we will struggle
Veretout, not impressed, slow gave the ball away, looked lightweight to me
Ayew, at last, we saw the player we thought we'd bought
Grealish, 2015s George Best , well maybe not quite but brilliant, makes everything look so easy
Lescott, not as good as Clark, good back up CH for me
Richards, proper CH great leader, shades of Laursen
Lee Hendry was in the box behind us, overlooking the Blues fans, celebrating like fuck with us when we scored and at the end of the match, top lad
Never saw one Blues fan all night only in the ground, those coaches do there work don't they
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One positive is that this mornings headlines are about the football as they should be, rather than the behaviour of the neanderthal sections of ours and B-lose support. The world did not end last night.
Bet the Evil are fed up though. Acres of newsprint and space on website and nothing sensational about a Second City Derby to put in there. Hahahahaha....
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3 Noses here.
One is working at home today. Strange doubt that would have happened with a different result. One conveniently arranged a meeting between 08:00 and 09:00 and the other smell fucker (literally) sits opposite isn't in yet. In that case hope it stays that way.
I've got the high powered Fireman's Hosepipe to given then their annual wash when they surface near my vicinity.
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Job done, actually it was probably the most relaxed I've been in a derby, really couldn't see them scoring at all
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One positive is that this mornings headlines are about the football as they should be, rather than the behaviour of the neanderthal sections of ours and B-lose support. The world did not end last night.
Bet the Evil are fed up though. Acres of newsprint and space on website and nothing sensational about a Second City Derby to put in there. Hahahahaha....
Apart from them destroying pubs and graffiti on pubs
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SHA ARE GASH, The introduction of the boy wonder (looked real class) and Ayew turned the game, and the second half we were very dominant, I think sha have the same problem as us, in their respective division no natural finisher, cuz in the first half I think it was pretty even and if theyd got any one with a sense of were the goal is they could have possed more problems.
We now have an easy game the week end
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Any crowd troubles from SHA or Albion fans in last two games.
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Not really. The Mega Firm put through the windows in a pub two hours before kick off and ran away just as quickly, but by and large it was a quiet old affair.
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This is why we hate these games though. We win and it's put to the back of the mind. Like a trip to the dentist when you think that little pain you've been feeling will lead to your teeth being drilled but only to be told everything's okay and see you next time. If they had won my 2 year-old would still e hearing about it when he's taking his place on the Holte End in 20 odd years time. They can crawl back to their cesspit and just feel happy when we lose games whilst we'll just keep trying to be the best that we can.
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The whole day and night was quiet. The game lacked the intensity and hatred of previous derby games I thought. It's almost like they've accepted their lot as a small club and it was a big day out for them. Glad we pissed on their chips. You can tell a shite hawk club from the amount of moral victories they get as opposed to real on the pitch victories.
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What did you think of the game Savospit? I suppose the class of the history and £50m team shone through in the end. Did you go? Savo? Savo? Where has that lad gone?
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Finished watching the game. Very enjoyable. Jacks commentary made it sound a lot closer than it really was. Honestly most of their "chances" were all due to howler defensive errors on our part and even then they didnt have much.
I am not in brum any more so I could be off here, but it seems to me from a distance West Brom fans have become a lot more bitter and obsessed with us than Birmingham City fans are. As zj2k77 said, its almost as Birmingham City have accepted the reality, its going to take West Brom being in the Championship for a few years for them to accept their place. I still think their relegation is likely to happen this season. I don't buy the Pulis myth.
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Job done really. We were bloody awful in the first half, but thankfully the defence stayed pretty solid. They're a shite side so had we not won this game, serious questions would have been asked of Timmeh.
As it is, his subs turned the game. At least one of Grealish and Gil has to play every time for me. We need that bit of poise and class. Grealish in particular is the one who makes a big difference for us. Of course he can't play well every game, but he plays well in the vast majority.
Ayew. Welcome to Villa son!!! Before today he'd looked like one of the most appallingly bad players to ever rock up at the club. That's not even an exaggeration. Almost every thing the boy tried seemed to go wrong and he was like a rabbit in headlights. Today he looked like a 10 million quid player. He looked worth the punt. Worth the money. He looked like his brother. I really hope he gets some added confidence from this game and kicks on. If he does, then we may well not have a long desperate wait to splurge in Jan.
The first half for me summed up exactly how not to use Gestede. Long hopeful floating balls up to him. Or drilling it up to him and expecting it to stick to him like glue. He's not going to chase the ball either. Players weren't getting close enough to him either. In any case, continual lumping to a big man is a fucking wretched tactic that's about 20 years out of date. That's not to say you can't occasionally use the option when you see an opportunity or use a bit of precision and thought. But hopeless clearences up to him are no good.
Deep crosses. Fuck that shit. No...just....no. Stop it. Again. A hopeful floating cross in the box from deep in the vein hope that he might make something happen is no good.
So how do you use Gestede? Good crosses! We have the ability to get players down the flanks on overlaps. If you don't get beyond the opposing fullback there's little point trying to put a ball in. And don't float them in. Zip them fucking in. Grealish created space. He gave Amavi time to pick out a good cross. Gestede did his bit and finished with aplomb.
I like Rudy. Use him right and he'll be an asset. Use him wrong and he'll be a cart horse that looks like he's trying to find his way to the glue factory.
If a player can't get the space to get a good ball in I'd rather we just kept hold of it and tried to find another way in rather than simply going back and then someone hopelessly skying in a high hanging deep cross that is going to be catching practice and little more.
Gabby weakens the side. Keep him in the stands. We've got to get Ayew settled. He and Grealish seemed to forge a good understanding.
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Not really. The Mega Firm put through the windows in a pub two hours before kick off and ran away just as quickly, but by and large it was a quiet old affair.
The Manor Tavern...apparently
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Smashing windows in a pub with children in it, how pathetically cowardly can you get?
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Not really. The Mega Firm put through the windows in a pub two hours before kick off and ran away just as quickly, but by and large it was a quiet old affair.
The Manor Tavern...apparently
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the Doc
I guess that is why the Swan and Mitre was shut after the game. For the first time ever we had to pay £2 to get in (to pay for the extra security I presume) so will be asking for a £1 refund next game.
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I decided not to take the trip up from London for this given our recent form. Very relieved that we won though.
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And to all those saying to play Clark in midfield, last night showed up exactly the reasons why not. Can't change direction quick enough, first touch not good enough and distribution not good enough. Got away with it last night but please don't try again. Centre half is his position
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Relieved to win this, both for the team and so the KD's can go back under their rocks. At least with a win we won't hear from them for a long while and they won't post drivel on here.
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Over on SHA the peaky blinders are full of it because they smashed a few windows in a pub and ran off. Then they got escorted to the ground 15 minutes before kick off when most fans were in the ground, and again are claiming some kind of result.
Must say considering there were thousands of them in the Holte, the stand went mental when we scored. Bodies everywhere watching it back (I was lower North). They did a good job in blending in by celebrating our goal wildly, well done noses.
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The only thing I saw of their lot was on the train back to New Street. Fight broke out by a copper.
A massive evil looking fucker then shouts out "Who's Villa on here? Come on then." Next to him were 4 bollock chain wearing lads who were popping their heads up.
Two thirds of the carriage reply " We are!". Evil looking fucker and his "crew" sit down and shut up. 😄
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Not really. The Mega Firm put through the windows in a pub two hours before kick off and ran away just as quickly, but by and large it was a quiet old affair.
The Manor Tavern...apparently
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the Doc
I guess that is why the Swan and Mitre was shut after the game. For the first time ever we had to pay £2 to get in (to pay for the extra security I presume) so will be asking for a £1 refund next game.
yeah I heard the Swan was shut after the game, my mate walked back to The Hornet by the Fox an Goose for a jar or two to celebrate...
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The only thing I saw of their lot was on the train back to New Street. Fight broke out by a copper.
A massive evil looking fucker then shouts out "Who's Villa on here? Come on then." Next to him were 4 bollock chain wearing lads who were popping their heads up.
Two thirds of the carriage reply " We are!". Evil looking fucker and his "crew" sit down and shut up.
What victory are they supposed to gain, poor children, we beat them at footy most times, they have to go back to their sad lives with talk of horoics , seems even their naughty boys are becoming virtual reality.
There is no doubt we are the Top team in Birmingham.
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Not really. The Mega Firm put through the windows in a pub two hours before kick off and ran away just as quickly, but by and large it was a quiet old affair.
The Manor Tavern...apparently
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the Doc
I guess that is why the Swan and Mitre was shut after the game. For the first time ever we had to pay £2 to get in (to pay for the extra security I presume) so will be asking for a £1 refund next game.
That's the sort of modern attitude that pisses me off - a business has an extra cost so the customer has to pay for it.
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Not really. The Mega Firm put through the windows in a pub two hours before kick off and ran away just as quickly, but by and large it was a quiet old affair.
The Manor Tavern...apparently
UTV
the Doc
I guess that is why the Swan and Mitre was shut after the game. For the first time ever we had to pay £2 to get in (to pay for the extra security I presume) so will be asking for a £1 refund next game.
yeah I heard the Swan was shut after the game, my mate walked back to The Hornet by the Fox an Goose for a jar or two to celebrate...
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The Doc
We walked up to the Tavern but they were only letting in people with a ticket from before the game. Gave up then and the bloke on the door called us a taxi and we had a drink nearer to home.
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Not really. The Mega Firm put through the windows in a pub two hours before kick off and ran away just as quickly, but by and large it was a quiet old affair.
The Manor Tavern...apparently
UTV
the Doc
Apparently before KO loads of blues fans got in without tickets through open turnstiles ::)
Sounds about right as they still had empty seats
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I went in the Manor Tavern after we got a taxi from town.
The chain smoking 15 year old working behind the bar didn't seem too put out to be honest by it all.
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When you spend your whole life deluding yourself you never face the problems you actually have, that's why they are a complete mess of a club, with no fan base and going no where ever. It's why crooks like Carson can take over the club and run them in to the ground with virtually no fans batting an eye lid. I'm glad they kid themselves, it keeps them down instead of them trying to improve.
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Not the best performance especially first half but we got the result in the end. Hopefully give us some confidence going into some tough games. UTV!
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I've noticed Bluenoses pretending not to be that disappointed with last night.
Honestly who are they trying to kid, it's bloody killing them.
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Killing them more that we just have an air of acceptance about it
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Over on SHA the peaky blinders are full of it because they smashed a few windows in a pub and ran off. Then they got escorted to the ground 15 minutes before kick off when most fans were in the ground, and again are claiming some kind of result.
Must say considering there were thousands of them in the Holte, the stand went mental when we scored. Bodies everywhere watching it back (I was lower North). They did a good job in blending in by celebrating our goal wildly, well done noses.
I barely saw any of their fans all day/evening, apart from in the ground and a pissed up bunch of 14/15 year olds on the train from new street to Aston.
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A word or two on Small Heath's kit. What a hideous mess. Looks like something out of Thunderbirds but plastered with a multitude of tacky adverts.
Everything about that club is cheap and nasty.
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There was a group of about 50/60 in stealth mode walking down Witton Lane, had most of WMP with them who seemed to take great delight in hitting Villa fans with truncheons as they went over to wish them good luck in the game.
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I noticed Midlands Today this morning buried the football results. Call it paranoia but had the result been reversed I think it would have been the main story.
It almost was, too. Anyone watching the edition that went out just before 7am? According to the caption, it finished 1-1 last night.
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What did you think of the game Savospit? I suppose the class of the history and £50m team shone through in the end. Did you go? Savo? Savo? Where has that lad gone?
You're selling us short there. The first nose I heard on the WM phone-in on the way home after the game said that we already had a £50m team from last season and had added £40m in the summer making it a £90m side. The very next one phoned up saying how proud she was of the Blues before signing off by saying that she was now "waiting to see who Villa get in the next round and come on Liverpool on Saturday". Great stuff!!
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What did you think of the game Savospit? I suppose the class of the history and £50m team shone through in the end. Did you go? Savo? Savo? Where has that lad gone?
You're selling us short there. The first nose I heard on the WM phone-in on the way home after the game said that we already had a £50m team from last season and had added £40m in the summer making it a £90m side. The very next one phoned up saying how proud she was of the Blues before signing off by saying that she was now "waiting to see who Villa get in the next round and come on Liverpool on Saturday". Great stuff!!
Yeah I heard that. They had some seriously bitter Bluenoses calling in right after the match. Comedy gold.
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Rowett's only been at the Sty for a few months yet he seems be as bitter as the best of them already.
They showed of clip of him reacting to their chance towards the end, and he jumps out of the dugout and then kind of winces a bit at the miss, but it looks put on.
You know deep down he was thinking "Ah, you wanker, ha ha" like the rest of us.
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I noticed Midlands Today this morning buried the football results. Call it paranoia but had the result been reversed I think it would have been the main story.
It almost was, too. Anyone watching the edition that went out just before 7am? According to the caption, it finished 1-1 last night.
Yes, I saw that. The noses will be moaning soon that they haven't given themselves enough tickets for the replay.
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I'd rather use his "impact" for the whole game.
yeah well he don't seem able to "impact" the whole game yet does he?
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Smashing windows in a pub with children in it, how pathetically cowardly can you get?
This is the rags we're talking about? That's one area where they excel.
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I noticed Midlands Today this morning buried the football results. Call it paranoia but had the result been reversed I think it would have been the main story.
Well that's how it should be. Can't see why us beating a permanently second division team should even register as a news item? Other way round it is big news.
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This morning has been like an echo through time from 93-94, the big B-lose book of excuses has clearly been passed down for the next generation to exhaust.
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They do seem to be enjoying a few moral victories from last night. Meanwhile, i'm enjoying a real victory, not a made up one.
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One of my mates was having a pop about our fans boo-ing at half time, I told him that must have been all the nose masses in our end. The look of confusion on his face was a picture.
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What on earth are we doing taking the ball into the corners with 10 minutes left to play? We were playing Blues, at home...not Barcelona on the pissing Nou Camp.
And while I'm ranting, when we are clinging on to a 1-0 lead against lower league opposition at home, we're most certainly not 'taking the piss'. That shit chant is best kept for the once in a lifetime occasion when we look like even we won't fuck it up.
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They do seem to be enjoying a few moral victories from last night. Meanwhile, i'm enjoying a real victory, not a made up one.
Yes they do seem to be in full retreat from everyone supporting them in Britains second most populous city to 'poor little plucky Blues'
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Those half time bongos have to go
Cringeworthy!
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Erm, when were we clinging on?
Despite how bad we were in the first half, the Noses had one chance all game and were utter shite throughout.
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Those half time bongos have to go
Cringeworthy!
They were so cringeworthy.
I miss last year's half time game, that was often the highlight of the game for me.
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What on earth are we doing taking the ball into the corners with 10 minutes left to play? We were playing Blues, at home...not Barcelona on the pissing Nou Camp.
And while I'm ranting, when we are clinging on to a 1-0 lead against lower league opposition at home, we're most certainly not 'taking the piss'. That shit chant is best kept for the once in a lifetime occasion when we look like even we won't fuck it up.
Clinging on?
That's not what I saw.
Apart from that one chance they had, the second half was totally one sided.
I'd also prefer us to close out a win, using our brains once in a while than I would see us do our usual brainless gung ho throw it away thing.
Small Heath were gash and offered next to nothing. The reason there didn't seem to be such a quality gap in the first half was because Timmy had one of his brainfarts and decided we'd lump it long for 45 minutes, resulting in one of our worst halves in ages.
The second half was totally different, though, and there was only ever one team in it.
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Those half time bongos have to go
Cringeworthy!
They were so bad they were good. Maybe. Whatever it was, as bad a mood I was in after the first half display before they started, I was laughing at the sheer shitness of them afterwards.
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I got quite interested when someone said there was some bongo videos being shown. Imagine my disappointment etc....
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I've noticed Bluenoses pretending not to be that disappointed with last night.
Honestly who are they trying to kid, it's bloody killing them.
Haven't mentioned it to any of the Neanderthals.
Why bother? Caught between keep em stewing when I mention beating them in their Cup Final or ignoring them being most run of the mill results we'll have this year.
I'd rather disdainfully treat them as an irrelevance.
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What did you think of the game Savospit? I suppose the class of the history and £50m team shone through in the end. Did you go? Savo? Savo? Where has that lad gone?
You're selling us short there. The first nose I heard on the WM phone-in on the way home after the game said that we already had a £50m team from last season and had added £40m in the summer making it a £90m side. The very next one phoned up saying how proud she was of the Blues before signing off by saying that she was now "waiting to see who Villa get in the next round and come on Liverpool on Saturday". Great stuff!!
I heard that, the maths they were doing were absurd.
"Do you think they looked £90m better than us, Franksy, do you?"
What embarrassing idiots.
Also, shout out for the droolers on SHA last night giving it large about smashing a window in a pub, and how they "took over" the Witton Arms, seemingly unaware of the police making it small Heath fans only.
Other than in the ground, I didn't see a single one of them all night, which was surprising what with them sitting where they wanted and what not.
They really are an absolute embarrassment
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Also, shout out for the droolers on SHA last night giving it large about smashing a window in a pub, and how they "took over" the Witton Arms, seemingly unaware of the police making it small Heath fans only.
Other than in the ground, I didn't see a single one of them all night, which was surprising what with them sitting where they wanted and what not.
They really are an absolute embarrassment
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I remember getting off a Putney Bridge when I went to see us play at Fulham and got herded into a pub by the Met. Must have been similar to taking the Witton Arms. All those West Londoners ran a mile.
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Also, shout out for the droolers on SHA last night giving it large about smashing a window in a pub, and how they "took over" the Witton Arms, seemingly unaware of the police making it small Heath fans only.
And their keyboard warriors didn't even know which pub it was. They were claiming they did the Aston Tavern when it was the Manor Tavern. They really are sad bastards, although considering they still don't know where Sherlock Street is, it's hardly surprising they didn't know which pub it was.
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Those half time bongos have to go
Cringeworthy!
Please get rid...
Did like the bloke giving the wanker sign though ;-)
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Those half time bongos have to go
Cringeworthy!
They were so bad they were good. Maybe. Whatever it was, as bad a mood I was in after the first half display before they started, I was laughing at the sheer shitness of them afterwards.
Ive seen some attrocities on that pitch at half time during the Dave Chance era but I'm with Tom after that first 45 minutes it was quite funny watching some of the miserablists having to bang pretend drums. Keep them, its a bit of fun for the kids.
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Those half time bongos have to go
Cringeworthy!
They were so bad they were good. Maybe. Whatever it was, as bad a mood I was in after the first half display before they started, I was laughing at the sheer shitness of them afterwards.
Ive seen some attrocities on that pitch at half time during the Dave Chance era but I'm with Tom after that first 45 minutes it was quite funny watching some of the miserablists having to bang pretend drums. Keep them, its a bit of fun for the kids.
Sod the kids they have Hercules and chips to entertain them, I want strippers and public executions at half time :)
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I noticed Midlands Today this morning buried the football results. Call it paranoia but had the result been reversed I think it would have been the main story.
It almost was, too. Anyone watching the edition that went out just before 7am? According to the caption, it finished 1-1 last night.
Yes, I saw that. The noses will be moaning soon that they haven't given themselves enough tickets for the replay.
What replay?
Gabby was subbed 1-1
We spent more money 2-1
They had a chance 3-1
We we're comprehensively trounced last night. They've drawn Melchester Rovers in the next round in their head.
I fecking love it, the winding up today has been best served with a complete blasé attitude to last night, like another game against Notts County only less exciting because they bottled it and never really attacked us.
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What on earth are we doing taking the ball into the corners with 10 minutes left to play? We were playing Blues, at home...not Barcelona on the pissing Nou Camp.
And while I'm ranting, when we are clinging on to a 1-0 lead against lower league opposition at home, we're most certainly not 'taking the piss'. That shit chant is best kept for the once in a lifetime occasion when we look like even we won't fuck it up.
Are you still on the sauce from yesterday?
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What on earth are we doing taking the ball into the corners with 10 minutes left to play? We were playing Blues, at home...not Barcelona on the pissing Nou Camp.
And while I'm ranting, when we are clinging on to a 1-0 lead against lower league opposition at home, we're most certainly not 'taking the piss'. That shit chant is best kept for the once in a lifetime occasion when we look like even we won't fuck it up.
Are you still on the sauce from yesterday?
Ha no, I just don't trust this team very much at all at the moment.
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What on earth are we doing taking the ball into the corners with 10 minutes left to play? We were playing Blues, at home...not Barcelona on the pissing Nou Camp.
And while I'm ranting, when we are clinging on to a 1-0 lead against lower league opposition at home, we're most certainly not 'taking the piss'. That shit chant is best kept for the once in a lifetime occasion when we look like even we won't fuck it up.
Spot on, pissed me off as well. They shouldn't be coaching Jack to run the ball into the corner and sit on it, the short corner to Gestede what a waste. Take your time, put the big lad in the box and try and kill the game off properly.
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Also, shout out for the droolers on SHA last night giving it large about smashing a window in a pub, and how they "took over" the Witton Arms, seemingly unaware of the police making it small Heath fans only.
Other than in the ground, I didn't see a single one of them all night, which was surprising what with them sitting where they wanted and what not.
They really are an absolute embarrassment
I remember getting off a Putney Bridge when I went to see us play at Fulham and got herded into a pub by the Met. Must have been similar to taking the Witton Arms. All those West Londoners ran a mile.
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They'd taken over town as well apparently.
Must have missed the hordes of Noses in with all the Villa fans in the Sun on the Hill, Troc and the Shakespeare. There was a few in the away pub, the Briar Rose, which always has away fans in it.
Plenty in the Bull Ring Tavern too, but then so there should be given its in Digbeth.
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Never seen the lower North so animated they went proper mental
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Ayew ran around a lot when he came on, but there was very little focus to it all. I don't recall him going past a player often (or ever) and getting a shot off. An improvement on recent showings, but that wouldn't have been hard.
Apart from all the times he went past players?
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They were having a great time. One of the best things we've done at Villa Park in recent years has been to change that from being the away end.
I wouldn't mind sticking the Brigada lads in the Witton Lane Lower and surrounding away fans on both sides.
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Ayew ran around a lot when he came on, but there was very little focus to it all. I don't recall him going past a player often (or ever) and getting a shot off. An improvement on recent showings, but that wouldn't have been hard.
Apart from all the times he went past players?
I also saw him going past some players and I was on the other side of the ground
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Ayew ran around a lot when he came on, but there was very little focus to it all. I don't recall him going past a player often (or ever) and getting a shot off.
Here you go mate...
http://www.helpguide.org/articles/memory/how-to-improve-your-memory.htm
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Ayew ran around a lot when he came on, but there was very little focus to it all. I don't recall him going past a player often (or ever) and getting a shot off. An improvement on recent showings, but that wouldn't have been hard.
Apart from all the times he went past players?
I also saw him going past some players and I was on the other side of the ground
i dont think he played ::)
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I also saw him beat some players and then have a shot which he almost scored from.
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Ayew was excellent.
He's looked awful until last night, but I don't see how anyone can not have seen the impact he had and the contribution he made.
Although I thought, other than the goal (which is a pretty big "except for ...", I grant you), Gestede looked awful.
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Grealish & Ayew changed the game dramatically, Blose probably shaded the first half to be fair & that chance their guy missed in the second half :o
This result has bought some time for Mr Sherwood, but can we club together and buy Ayew some shorts that fit him from the club shop?
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Although I thought, other than the goal (which is a pretty big "except for ...", I grant you), Gestede looked awful.
He's not the best is he. He can trap the ball further than I can kick it.
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Grealish & Ayew changed the game dramatically, Blose probably shaded the first half to be fair & that chance their guy missed in the second half :o
This result has bought some time for Mr Sherwood, but can we club together and buy Ayew some shorts that fit him from the club shop?
Yep his shorts are stupid. He also looks about 50.
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Although I thought, other than the goal (which is a pretty big "except for ...", I grant you), Gestede looked awful.
He's not the best is he. He can trap the ball further than I can kick it.
For most of the match, especially the first half, he managed to combine being eight foot tall with winning nothing in the air, too.
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Although I thought, other than the goal (which is a pretty big "except for ...", I grant you), Gestede looked awful.
He's not the best is he. He can trap the ball further than I can kick it.
I said to my mate he is a fit slow Andy Carroll ;)
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I also saw him beat some players and then have a shot which he almost scored from.
That was an amazing episode of play...I was convinced he was going to score...and he looked totally gutted that he didn't.
Also impressed with his work rate...he tracked back well and was even covering down near our own dead ball line on a couple of occasions.
Wondered wtf he was meant to be doing for the first 10 minutes when he came on but he soon settled into putting himself about and taking them on.
At last seen a few glimpses of why we paid folding money for him...he needs to do it a bit more often though.
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There was a moment late in the game when he was in our half demanding the ball from the centre backs which was great to see.
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Not really. The Mega Firm put through the windows in a pub two hours before kick off and ran away just as quickly, but by and large it was a quiet old affair.
And some brave lulu's sprayed BCFC on the social club wall at.......wait for it.......10.30AM
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What on earth are we doing taking the ball into the corners with 10 minutes left to play? We were playing Blues, at home...not Barcelona on the pissing Nou Camp.
And while I'm ranting, when we are clinging on to a 1-0 lead against lower league opposition at home, we're most certainly not 'taking the piss'. That shit chant is best kept for the once in a lifetime occasion when we look like even we won't fuck it up.
Are you still on the sauce from yesterday?
Ha no, I just don't trust this team very much at all at the moment.
I don't blame you mate, there's a lot for Sherwood to iron out. No matter who you are playing I'd always advocate a bit of time wasting and game management, we've fucked up too many times in the last 10 minutes to mess about. Hit them on the break by all means but use every trick in the book to break up play and rhythm.
I think we're being a bit harsh on the team, the rags came close to scoring once or twice, never controlled even a very poor first half and the second half it was total villa and 3 could have easily been on the cards for us. It was a derby and the win is all that matters, leave moral victories to the likes of the Baggies and Rags.
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Although I thought, other than the goal (which is a pretty big "except for ...", I grant you), Gestede looked awful.
He's not the best is he. He can trap the ball further than I can kick it.
For most of the match, especially the first half, he managed to combine being eight foot tall with winning nothing in the air, too.
I thought he won a few in the first half but Sinclair and Gabby were just struggling to latch on to the flick ons. His touch can be very ropey though.
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Far more important match this weekend!
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I think we miss Gueye more than a lot of people realise. He links the play and directs the traffic in the middle, not to mention a lot of the closing down and stuff that needs doing. when he's back I honestly believe we'll see a big difference.
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Although I thought, other than the goal (which is a pretty big "except for ...", I grant you), Gestede looked awful.
He's not the best is he. He can trap the ball further than I can kick it.
For most of the match, especially the first half, he managed to combine being eight foot tall with winning nothing in the air, too.
Yes whilst his header was really well taken, considering his main attribute is his aerial ability he loses an awful lot of battles in the air.
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Over the moon with the win not very good first half but played better second half Jack and Ayew played well when they came on they changed the game.
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I think he has a very specific skill set and is good with a very particular kind of ball. If we can keep whipping it in from wide positions with pace he'll score more goals like that. But he's definitely not a player to hit long balls to.
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I keep saying that him and Bacuna really come as a pair, without Gestede there isn't really any point in hitting in high crosses and he's not got the talent or speed to get on the kind of ball Gil or Jack slip through.
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Over the moon with the win not very good first half but played better second half Jack and Ayew played well when they came on they changed the game.
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Very classy Mr Caddis (listen carefully at the start)
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Very classy Mr Caddis (listen carefully at the start)
I just can't make out what he's saying..
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As poor as we played first half last night I never once felt the opposition had anything to be concerned about, they were very average and blunt throughout.
Notts County gave us a much tougher test in the last round - and their fans could be heard too, wheelbarrows and all.
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Very classy Mr Caddis (listen carefully at the start)
I just can't make out what he's saying..
Grunt grunt, snarrlll, grunt.
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I'd never heard of Caddis before last night, I cant imagine I'd be that interested in anything he does.
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What is he saying?
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There was me thinking they got the moral victory and weren't bothered because they 'only' lost 1-0, yet I pop over to SHA and every thread is about the game last night. Full of sour grapes and lots of pearls of wisdom as to why they really won on the night and why they're superior to us ;D
Criticising us for booing at half time. It was fully justified, especially after Saturday. The difference here is if they'd been at home and played like that first half and gone in 0-0 they would have gone off to rapturous applause. This is why they will always be tinpot and in our shadow, what's good enough for them and good enough for us is a world apart. If they finished 16th in the Premier League they would be delighted. Theres not enough of the f#ckers at The Sty to register a loud enough boo anyway.
The city is theirs and they ran town last night :D Saw one of them say 'The pub I was in was full of Blues, no Villa to be seen anywhere'. I know, a Blues fan in a pub with other Blues fans. I was in a pub full of Villa fans. A shocking correlation. I must have imagined all the Villa I saw and that I knew were in various pubs. I forgot that everyone in Brum supports them, hence their 14,000 crowds and the fact they didn't have enough fans who had been to three away games to shift 2800 tickets.
We are superior to them in every way and it kills them really. They try too hard not to care that we're bigger and better than them, and try too hard to try and be different. They're like that kid at school who tries to look and be different and ends up looking like a weirdo with no mates.
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Whistling shit on the Villa .
Nothing worth getting worked up about tbh.
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Whistling shit on the Villa .
Nothing worth getting worked up about tbh.
Well it is his club's anthem
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The city is theirs and they ran town last night :D Saw one of them say 'The pub I was in was full of Blues, no Villa to be seen anywhere'. I know, a Blues fan in a pub with other Blues fans. I was in a pub full of Villa fans. A shocking correlation. I must have imagined all the Villa I saw and that I knew were in various pubs. I forgot that everyone in Brum supports them, hence their 14,000 crowds and the fact they didn't have enough fans who had been to three away games to shift 2800 tickets.
I noticed that one, they just cant make the link that with Villa playing at home most Villa fans would be there, at the game, as opposed to walking round Solihull town centre.
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I said the same. I went in three city pubs [four if you count the Square Peg that I nipped in for a slash] and they all were full of Villa. The Sack of Spuds had me, our kid and Jesus Dave in there.
Quite the pub crawl for a Tuesday afternoon.
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Any crowd troubles from SHA or Albion fans in last two games.
I don't know if anyone else saw it but what I presume was the blues firm (20 - 30 big lads, few masked up) walked straight down the Witton Lane from the Holte End towards their end with about 3 police. There were a few punches thrown but nothing major, surprised the police let them walk through there though.
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Any crowd troubles from SHA or Albion fans in last two games.
I don't know if anyone else saw it but what I presume was the blues firm (20 - 30 big lads, few masked up) walked straight down the Witton Lane from the Holte End towards their end with about 3 police. There were a few punches thrown but nothing major, surprised the police let them walk through there though.
I mentioned it earlier in the thread, there was more WMP than SHA fans there and at least three vans.
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Any crowd troubles from SHA or Albion fans in last two games.
I don't know if anyone else saw it but what I presume was the blues firm (20 - 30 big lads, few masked up) walked straight down the Witton Lane from the Holte End towards their end with about 3 police. There were a few punches thrown but nothing major, surprised the police let them walk through there though.
I mentioned it earlier in the thread, there was more WMP than SHA fans there and at least three vans.
The only police I saw during this particular incident was one filming it all and then a couple walking at the side of the knuckledraggers.
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I'd never heard of Caddis before last night, I cant imagine I'd be that interested in anything he does.
Paul Caddis is the guy that actually literally saved them from going to the wall two years ago against Bolton. The bastard.
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Apparently most of their lads were in Sam Wellers. Not exactly running town really.
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Back to the game, I thought we were awful in the first half and they were the better team without being that great.
We were massively superior in the second half, Jack was great and nice to see Ayew has some ability.
Not sure a performance against a tired second division team is a good measure but at least there is some hope.
Can see why playing Jack and Gil at the same time could be difficult.
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Ayew ran around a lot when he came on, but there was very little focus to it all. I don't recall him going past a player often (or ever) and getting a shot off. An improvement on recent showings, but that wouldn't have been hard.
Apart from all the times he went past players?
I also saw him going past some players and I was on the other side of the ground
In my defence, my Sky Go connection seemed to start playing silly buggers from about midway through the second half.
I did see him chase down some of their defenders and look a bit more up for it, but I missed the shot and didn't see him morph into Rivaldo, as he seems to have done based on some of the reactions here.
Rowett mentioned him turning the game as well, so hopefully there is more of that to come.
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I love their 'always the bridesmaid sympathy' type comments. Such as these.
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California Blue replying to pablo ibanez00:39, Wednesday 23 September 2015
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pablo ibanez
You booed your own players off at half time, we cheered our players off at full time ,thats the difference between us. Now fack off back to relegation.
This IS the difference between us & them , what a bunch of pricks, they showed their true baby blue & pink colours tonight.
KRO
The Birmingham Blues, USA Chapter .
The thing is, they have never had expectations whereas we have, even we have reduced them with the dross served up the last few years. They live and die and live again for beating us.
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Back to the game, I thought we were awful in the first half and they were the better team without being that great.
We were massively superior in the second half, Jack was great and nice to see Ayew has some ability.
Not sure a performance against a tired second division team is a good measure but at least there is some hope.
Can see why playing Jack and Gil at the same time could be difficult.
They're too similar. Both water carriers.
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And as if to prove a point, I have actually heard a few of them in the lead up to this game on local radio saying they would take beating us over promotion.
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Apparently most of their lads were in Sam Wellers. Not exactly running town really.
So, they went into the same pub they always go to. Running town? Idiots.
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Apparently most of their lads were in Sam Wellers. Not exactly running town really.
So, they went into the same pub they always go to. Running town? Idiots.
I drink in their quite often on weekends, is it meant to be a nose pub?
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It's always been their main pub.
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After the mad dash up the motorway post work and the long, although happy, journey back down to London after the match I'm struggling to function now so here is my match report:
Guzan - 6 - Had very little to do throughout the match but thought he claimed a couple of cross easily enough. His distribution was marginally better, although he still looks uncomfortable on the floor. Made one save in the second half where they should have done better and made it look a little harder than it probably should have been.
Bacuna - 6 - Reasonably solid game by and large. He won a few headers last night and didn't get caught out by the crossfield ball quite as much as previously. He is still a little susceptible to the ball between him and Richards and is sometimes too flat-footed. Against better wingers he will continue to struggle. If we play 3 in the middle, I would play Bacuna but if we play 2, then I would play Hutton.
Richards - 7 - Grew into the game and was excellent in the second half.
Lescott - 4 - Looked very cumbersome for the 45mins he played. TS should get a lot of credit for making changes at half time and taking Lescott (rather than Clark off).
Amavi - 7 - As with Richards, he grew into the game and delivered the telling cross
Westwood - 6 - A player who divides opinions. I, personally, don't mind him but think he should increasingly become our 4th choice central midfielder. His main issue is that he slows play down too much and plays too few forward passes. Oh and his corners are atrocious. It's as if we don't actually believe we can score from one, regardless of what we do with the ball.
Vertetout - 7 - Grew into the game hugely. First half he grafted well but was a little ineffectual, possibly as he struggled to adjust to a 3 man midfield. In the second half I thought he was excellent, moving the ball quickly, with purpose and forwards
Clark - 6 - A mixed game for Clark. I felt for him in the first half. This experiment should not be repeated. He did ok protecting the back four but was so slow on the ball and on the turn that it sucked all impetus out of anything we could do. However, he played pretty well in the second half and was an upgrade on Lescott
Sinclair - 5 - Not one of his better or more effective games but I feel he is one of the few with a natural goal instinct. Almost (i stress almost) this alone merits a place in the team until we can add or develope a couple to have similar instincts
Agbonlahor - 6 - I actually thought he was one of our better players in the first half. Not saying much I know. Having said this, his end product and movement are so poor generally that he simply can't keep playing. He should be an impact sub at most these days with the mandate that he should stretch teams as much as possible, get his head down and give tired defenders something to think about in the final 15mins
Gestede - 7 - A strange game for the big man. At times, he looked inept with a first touch worse than most pub players and at others he bought the ball down and brought others into the game. The difference was largely correlated with the first and second half. If this tells Tim anything, it is that we can't just shell balls from defence and/or cross balls from deep and expect him to do something with it. We need to get to the by-line and pull back quick crosses for him to attack
Ayew - 8 - Best performance in a Villa shirt. With a bit of luck he will push on from this. He played with a swagger and confidence, demanding the ball from others, that belied his poor start in Claret and Blue. That run through the Blues box and shot was brilliant, just a shame he was losing his balance as he pulled the trigger.
Grealish - 9 - The man oozes class. We can wax lyrical and get excited about him but he still has a long way to go. He needs to get his head down and improve his end product so that he consistently hurts teams. At the moment, there is a tendency to either play slightly safe or not, at least go for the jugular. This, nevertheless, is a small criticism and one I truly hope he dismisses over the course of this season. Quite simply, he made the difference and gave Rudy a link to the midfield.
Match Report: I can understand Tim's decision to try to nullify Birmingham in the first half. We knew they would be fired up for the game and, with confidence a bit low, must have expected them to come out of the traps. I also suspect he rested a few people - I can't believe Sanchez wouldn't be played ahead of Clark at the base of the midfield. Having said this, the Clark experiment didn't work at all. While he covered the backline well enough, his passing and, more importantly, speed of passing, was far too slow. It stunted anything we tried or wanted to do and created an incredibly dour first half. Add to the fact that Westwood also suffers from a similar malaise and the result is the first half; one with few chances, poor and slow passing. Gabby ran the channels well enough but his end product is, generally, appalling. There was nobody close enough to Rudy and the mantra seemed to be "get it up to Rudy asap and see what happens". Long balls from defense or deep crosses simply aren't his forte, especially when there aren't other players nearby. While I don't like to see the Villa booed, it was understandable. We should probably have changed tactics earlier but I suspect the personnel in the first half wouldn't have been able to do that and credit should be given to Tim for changing it as early as realistically possible.
The second half, saw everything change. Taking Lescott off (rather than Clark in a like for like) was a very good decision as Lescott had been poor and Clark had done nothing wrong, merely lived up to his limitations. Bringing Grealish on instead meant that the entire midfield pushed forward 15 yards. This allowed us (through personnel and formational) to play quicker balls that were further up the field and in more dangerous areas. It also meant the midfielder was closer to Gestede and so he began to have more of an impact. By pushing forward further, it gave the full backs a little more space and so they ventured further forward more (they were also probably given this licence from TS). This, in turn, meant that our crossing was from more attacking positions, closer to the Birmingham goal and, so Rudy became more dangerous, ultimately burying his best chance and winning the game for us. Add all of this with the fact that Ayew had his best game in a Villa shirt. His close control and willingness to run at the full back (something Gabby is not able to manage with much success) added another outlet that we had not had in the first half. The second half could, and probably should, have seen a couple more Villa goals and the lapse in concentration that saw them get through for their best chance still shows that we are susceptible to the odd defensive blunder - the way they got through was far too easy. In a Premiership match, we would have conceded then and drawn a game we should have won.
Nevertheless, progress from Veretout (who I thought was excellent in the 2nd half), Ayew and a clear way of how to utilise Gestede should bode better for the future. Add that to the fact that Gueye should come into the midfield for Westwood and Traore to add further impact (from the bench initially) and we should feel more positive about the future. The next month is huge though and we could really do with picking up 10 points in the next 5-6 matches, which will be a tough order given that our fixtures take a marked turn for the worse.
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I've watched the game back on Sky and despite being very unhappy at half time at the game, my observations from watching it back are that it wasn't as bad as it seemed on the night...
We pretty controlled the game for the first 25 minutes then Blose came more into, retaining possession but carrying very little threat going forward. We were very sloppy in our play, passing, giving possession away cheaply with punts to Gestede where it simply didn't stick in the final third of the pitch...far too many sideways and backwards passes to the back four or even all the way back to Guzan. We then started to lose our way with the new formation giving them more space in midfield to retain possession. I'd say overall possession in the first half was probably about 50-50 but we had almost twice as many attempts on goal (7 against there 4) and both teams managed 1 shot on target each.
Correct me if I'm wrong, and I wasn't happy at the game, but thats not as bad as some may like to think particularly when it was their best spell of the game that they are appear to be very proud of...as someone said last night, it was half with one shit team and another team playing shit.
The second half was a very different story and after about 15-20 minutes in we had 75% possession according to the stats and were completely dominating the game. The rest is history.
Credit where credit is due...Rowett has done a great job with Blose under the circumstances. I've watched them on TV a few times this season, and they play some decent football for a team on a genuine shoe string budget.
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Never seen the lower North so animated they went proper mental
As a long time Holte Ender who has had a season ticket with his son in the lower North since the McLeish season it is a mixture of part timers and regulars who can be the biggest bunch of moaners or the most passionate fans going on any given day. The bigger games and close proximity to the away fans tends to bring out the best support. Last night it was rocking but the noses were surprisingly subdued. I think that even with their legendary delusions they were there in more hope than any real expectation. All credit though to their post match change of opinion. Before we beat them we were the most shit team in the premier League and nailed on for relegation. Today we are a team who has spent more money than Manchester City this summer and should be expected to win games like last night comfortably. You've gotta love 'em haven't you?
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Sam Wellers? Now the Railway then. That is where CT from here started yesterday afternoon.
5 of them arrived in The Bartons at 4pm. Tried to look tough and left when the regulars who don't give a fuck about football started staring them out.
And Jesus Dave in the Sack of Spuds? I didn't expect to see that post.
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It's always been their main pub.
I must be completely oblivious to what's going on around me, we're talking about the same place right? On Hill St/John Bright Street?
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That would explain why things were starting to get a little tense in there!!
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Also how good was the support finally got my voice back bout 2pm today got back into bed in Essex about 12-30 am but boy was it worth it.
Now fuck off you blue nose scum bags back to where you belong you had your cup final at the best ground you ever been to heard the best support ever read it and weep.
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Apparently most of their lads were in Sam Wellers. Not exactly running town really.
So, they went into the same pub they always go to. Running town? Idiots.
I drink in their quite often on weekends, is it meant to be a nose pub?
I see highlights from St Andrews on telly every weekend and due to the lack of them in there ask myself a similar question. Is it meant to be a nose ground?
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Wolfie was there,
leaning against a wall near the Aston Tavern under the underpass,
don't know which team he was supporting, I believe he has been known to cross the floor
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I haven't contacted a single one of them by phone or text or any kind of messaging. Firstly because I am not as small time as they would be if it was the other way round but also because I know that the only thing worse for them than getting a message from me is not getting one, dreading getting one and every time their phone makes any kind of sound wondering if it is little old me.
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Ayew ran around a lot when he came on, but there was very little focus to it all. I don't recall him going past a player often (or ever) and getting a shot off. An improvement on recent showings, but that wouldn't have been hard.
Apart from all the times he went past players?
I was in the DE on the half way line. Loved seeing the stick they was getting from the majority of the lower Witton End (I hate the name North Stand) well done to all those who gave em stick. And the Holte was fuckin loud like the good old days. We sneaked a nose in with us and had admit to being impressed!
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I love how all the noses are mocking the attendance last night. Obviously their humble little shit tip of a ground is packed out every week.
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Apparently most of their lads were in Sam Wellers. Not exactly running town really.
So, they went into the same pub they always go to. Running town? Idiots.
I drink in their quite often on weekends, is it meant to be a nose pub?
I know a few that drink in there, not sure if it's a nose pub as such.
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I haven't contacted a single one of them by phone or text or any kind of messaging. Firstly because I am not as small time as they would be if it was the other way round but also because I know that the only thing worse for them than getting a message from me is not getting one, dreading getting one and every time their phone makes any kind of sound wondering if it is little old me.
Superb.
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Wolfie was there,
leaning against a wall near the Aston Tavern under the underpass,
don't know which team he was supporting, I believe he has been known to cross the floor
That after the game? If so, you must have been walking past at the same time as me. I said to my girlfriend, "look, it's Wolfie!", she pretended not to know what I was on about.
Pretty sure he's Villa through and through, goes to the odd game at other teams cos he's football mad but no doubting who his first choice is.
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I dunno if it was just me as I was a bit pissed but was there a flare in the upper Holte after the goal?
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Saw a blue flare in Lower North but not Upper Holte. Some blue nose numpty on WM accused Villa fans of injuring our own with the flare, but I've not heard any reports of any injuries as a result of it.
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for a team made up of lucky dip cast offs, didnt think Blues were that bad last night.
Was that Gray that turned Bacuna with ease in the play directly after our goal? Looks tidy, Donaldson influence waned once Clark went back to centre half.
Not sure where Kuszczak went for a few years but should be a decent keeper at that level.
They played with a coherent plan and structure for sure but werent able for Grealish and Ayew, our lads gained in confidence once those two got playing.
But the second division will be truly a poor standard if they are anywhere near the playoffs come end of season
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I think the drunk giraffe analogy is a little harsh on Gestede, after his wonderful headed goal I thought he improved and grew in confidence.
Maybe a typsy Jason Lee is a fairer comparator.
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There were two flares lit up near me in the lower North after the goal. One was thrown onto the pitch in the noses' direction.
Re: the attendance. Must admit it was a bit disappointing, I actually predicted and expected around 34k, but was hoping for more. However they would kill for an attendance of 34k, and don't forget they had about 22k the last time we played there.
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Cheers, knew I saw something. Thought it was a smoke bomb thrown onto the pitch though.
I was in the upper Trinity btw.
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They only way they'd ever get 34,000 at the Sty would be if UB40 and Jasper Carrott did a benefit to buy fat Barry Austin a new pair of pants.
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The only way they'd get 34,000 would be if they invited everyone who's ever shagged Karen Brady round for a re-union.
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Wolfie was there,
leaning against a wall near the Aston Tavern under the underpass,
don't know which team he was supporting, I believe he has been known to cross the floor
think he is back with us, i saw him after the sunderland game
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He was at the Leicester match.
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What on earth are we doing taking the ball into the corners with 10 minutes left to play? We were playing Blues, at home...not Barcelona on the pissing Nou Camp.
And while I'm ranting, when we are clinging on to a 1-0 lead against lower league opposition at home, we're most certainly not 'taking the piss'. That shit chant is best kept for the once in a lifetime occasion when we look like even we won't fuck it up.
Are you still on the sauce from yesterday?
Ha no, I just don't trust this team very much at all at the moment.
Hear you but the last ten minutes last night were the most comfortable that I can recall in the last 4/5 years bar some extraordinary matches. I thought we played it just right.
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He was at the Leicester match.
He's at most games home and away
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He was at the Leicester match.
He's at most games home and away
Who is wolfed?
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I haven't contacted a single one of them by phone or text or any kind of messaging. Firstly because I am not as small time as they would be if it was the other way round but also because I know that the only thing worse for them than getting a message from me is not getting one, dreading getting one and every time their phone makes any kind of sound wondering if it is little old me.
This is the correct way you deal with them .
Say nothing, it kills them.
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He was at the Leicester match.
He's at most games home and away
Who is wolfed?
Wolfie even. Damn my fat fingers
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Looked like there was trouble at the Brookvale Pub in Slade Road yesterday.
About 17.15 ish ?
Three Transit vans of Old Bill in attendance.
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He was at the Leicester match.
He's at most games home and away
Who is wolfed?
Wolfie even. Damn my fat fingers
Yes, proper hard core
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Looked like there was trouble at the Brookvale Pub in Slade Road yesterday.
About 17.15 ish ?
Three Transit vans of Old Bill in attendance.
Why do they turn up in Transit vans and cause trouble?
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I haven't contacted a single one of them by phone or text or any kind of messaging. Firstly because I am not as small time as they would be if it was the other way round but also because I know that the only thing worse for them than getting a message from me is not getting one, dreading getting one and every time their phone makes any kind of sound wondering if it is little old me.
This is the correct way you deal with them .
Say nothing, it kills them.
That's what I did today. Not a peep. One of them must have been waiting all day for it but I didn't say a word. I'll give it a week then casually bring it up.
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The mouthy pricks at work that don't go, haven't spoken to me in years, and haven't shut up since the draw, have gone quiet again. Funny that.
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It's always the same isn't it, the gobbiest ones are the ones who gave up on them years ago.
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I wonder what percentage of Blose fans that were excited about last night's match weeks ago even knew they were playing last Friday?
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Don't mock, they took nearly 500 that night!
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I haven't contacted a single one of them by phone or text or any kind of messaging. Firstly because I am not as small time as they would be if it was the other way round but also because I know that the only thing worse for them than getting a message from me is not getting one, dreading getting one and every time their phone makes any kind of sound wondering if it is little old me.
That's exactly my policy. In the build up to the game I was getting a stream of emails and texts from Nose mates telling me what they were going to do to us. Today, I refrained from making any contact with them until several of them cracked towards the end of my working day under the pressure of being ignored and wanted my thoughts on the game.
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Former Arsenal goal machine John Jensen had apparently been talking to some of the walking dead before the game which they were talking about pre match over here.
Most of the conversations had revolved around Enckelman, 03/03/03, 5-1 and the 2010 quarter final and ensuing relegation. Apparently one of them had said that relegation in 2010 had been well worth it.
Not because they won their first trophy in 50 years but because they'd made sure we missed out on the chance of winning a trophy.
As Jensen put it, "strange way to be a fan."
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So, the inevitable spin started almost as soon as the final whistle sounded. Small Heath apologists, omnipresent in our local media, talking about a magnificent performance from David against Goliath and how a rag bag assembly of players costing 500,000 quid ran a side costing over £50 million very close. What would the managerial genius that is Gary Rowett do on a budget like that, hey? We'd be talking Champions League, wouldn't we? Look at the subs Villa were able to bring on compared to cash-strapped plucky Blues. It wasn't a fair and level playing field and how bad must Villa be when a side as lowly as poor money-less Blues can play them off the park for 45 minutes. You know how it goes. Blah de blah de blah de bloody blah.
Where do you start with this drivel? Wasn't it only 10 years ago when Sullivan was splashing the cash at St Andrews that they were taking the piss out of our threadbare tranfser kitty compared to the fat wallet of Porno Dwarf? We're the masters now they used to love to crow back then. And why are they bust now? Because they are owned by a crook; a crook, by the way, they couldn't get enough of when he was bankrolling them promotions and Carling Cups only five years ago. Again, they were the big time charlies back then, taking the piss out of Lerner's austerity Villa. All changed now, hey? They can't have Villa both ways, can they? We can't both be an ambition-less, busted flush of a club destined for relegation and then be at the same time, when we play them, a mega-rich club awash with expensive superstars.
Don't these whinging prats understand the contradiction at the heart of their bleating? They're looking for pity at the same time as saying how wonderful they are. Always been the same at Small Heath. A walking identity crisis of a club. They simply don't know who they are.
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Fuck me they really a sad bunch of green eyed, bitter bastards. Their crumbs of comfort are that their 'firm' took the piss and smashed the Manor Tavern and our 'firm' and that the city can't be ours as their lads were drinking all over the city centre after the game.... In the history books it will say 1-0 and if the city is yours why does no fucker turn up at St Andrews??
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Sat in DE lower very close to their scumbags. A few observations -
1. Their fans booed a lot at HT no doubt hoping it would make the Villa fans look bad.
2. Once we scored they didn't make a sound.
3. All the hard knocks that spent the game offering people our had gone home before the match ended.
4. Lee Hendrie was in a box just above us. If there has ever been any doubts about his allegiances then he well and truly put them to bed. Their fans wanted to kill him as he was giving them loads :)
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Sat in DE lower very close to their scumbags. A few observations -
1. Their fans booed a lot at HT no doubt hoping it would make the Villa fans look bad.
2. Once we scored they didn't make a sound.
3. All the hard knocks that spent the game offering people our had gone home before the match ended.
4. Lee Hendrie was in a box just above us. If there has ever been any doubts about his allegiances then he well and truly put them to bed. Their fans wanted to kill him as he was giving them loads :)
Good lad.
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Fuck me they really a sad bunch of green eyed, bitter bastards. Their crumbs of comfort are that their 'firm' took the piss and smashed the Manor Tavern and our 'firm' and that the city can't be ours as their lads were drinking all over the city centre after the game.... In the history books it will say 1-0 and if the city is yours why does no fucker turn up at St Andrews??
I'm not even vaguely interested in football hooliganism... and anyone who is whether Bluesor Villa is beneath contempt as far as I'm concerned.
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Top lad Lee Hendrie , no doubt he took dogs abuse and rightly gave a bit back
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Fuck me they really a sad bunch of green eyed, bitter bastards. Their crumbs of comfort are that their 'firm' took the piss and smashed the Manor Tavern and our 'firm' and that the city can't be ours as their lads were drinking all over the city centre after the game.... In the history books it will say 1-0 and if the city is yours why does no fucker turn up at St Andrews??
I'm not even vaguely interested in football hooliganism... and anyone who is whether Bluesor Villa is beneath contempt as far as I'm concerned.
It's all they have to glorify and cling to, epitomises their existence.
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Fuck me they really a sad bunch of green eyed, bitter bastards. Their crumbs of comfort are that their 'firm' took the piss and smashed the Manor Tavern and our 'firm' and that the city can't be ours as their lads were drinking all over the city centre after the game.... In the history books it will say 1-0 and if the city is yours why does no fucker turn up at St Andrews??
I'm not even vaguely interested in football hooliganism... and anyone who is whether Bluesor Villa is beneath contempt as far as I'm concerned.
It's all they have to glorify and cling to, epitomises their existence.
And nothing even happens anymore. It's even sadder when you are a historian but not for football honours but for fighting in the street.
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They can whinge all they like about the difference in costs of the comparative squads, the three players that kept them quiet and made the the difference in the 2nd half were Gralish, Clark and Richards; two academy graduates and a free transfer.
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I haven't contacted a single one of them by phone or text or any kind of messaging. Firstly because I am not as small time as they would be if it was the other way round but also because I know that the only thing worse for them than getting a message from me is not getting one, dreading getting one and every time their phone makes any kind of sound wondering if it is little old me.
This is the correct way you deal with them .
Say nothing, it kills them.
That's what I did today. Not a peep. One of them must have been waiting all day for it but I didn't say a word. I'll give it a week then casually bring it up.
Yep. I had a couple of v quiet and brief conversations with 2 other Villa fans today.
Didn't mention it to The Great Unwashed 3 at work. One of them is a late 20 year old wannabe hoolie because it was all dying down by the time he was being potty trained, the first time.
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If they don't like it than other clubs can spend more money on players then they can do something about it, turn up to games, and put money in their coffers. Or campaign to not bother entering the cup.
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They can whinge all they like about the difference in costs of the comparative squads, the three players that kept them quiet and made the the difference in the 2nd half were Gralish, Clark and Richards; two academy graduates and a free transfer.
It's bullshit
50m - we recouped the same is exits. In terms of transfer outlay.
Wages reflect the leagues we are in.
That said, I hope Rowett gets a proper job soon. Far too good for that lot.
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Looked like there was trouble at the Brookvale Pub in Slade Road yesterday.
About 17.15 ish ?
Three Transit vans of Old Bill in attendance.
That used to be used by lads who were banned as it lay just outside the area covered by the match day ban.
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Has anyone read the Mail blog from our little SHA visitor? Priceless, and remember this was written from the mean streets of Solihull.
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Has anyone read the Mail blog from our little SHA visitor? Priceless, and remember this was written from the mean streets of Solihull.
They really do believe this kind of shite, i'm embarrassed for him, and them.
That is what separates Blues fans from Villa ones. We are immersed in the city throughout the weeks soaking up atmospheres, we don’t hop in our 4x4s and drive from Lichfield or deepest Staffordshire and question why we’re not winning early on, or get excited when ‘Bongo Cam’ finds us in the crowd.
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Apparently most of their lads were in Sam Wellers. Not exactly running town really.
Fuck me. Will it ever shut?
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I'm thoroughly enjoying reading both this site and Small Heath Alliance today. The ways they're trying to get positives out of it is priceless. Everyone of them is hurting so badly. It's beautiful.
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Has anyone read the Mail blog from our little SHA visitor? Priceless, and remember this was written from the mean streets of Solihull.
They really do believe this kind of shite, i'm embarrassed for him, and them.
That is what separates Blues fans from Villa ones. We are immersed in the city throughout the weeks soaking up atmospheres, we don’t hop in our 4x4s and drive from Lichfield or deepest Staffordshire and question why we’re not winning early on, or get excited when ‘Bongo Cam’ finds us in the crowd.
They must look at all their empty seats and think that hardly anyone in Birmingham likes football at all.
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Do we have any of them still lurking around on here?
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Do we have any of them still lurking around on here?
Loads probably. They seemed to have stopped posting though.
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Sam Fucking Wellers ! Wtf ! What belting out Billy Ocean and Gloria Estefan ! Sure that shut in 1989.
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Any texts or conversations I've had with noses today has simply been them claiming some moral victory, me listening to it then simply saying the score. Just keep repeating the score, say nothing else. Just 1-0. They all had head loss. It's great.
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What on earth is Bongo Cam?
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New drink from The Congo.
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What on earth is Bongo Cam?
An American import. Totally cringeworthy.
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He's right though. I mean there are no Villa fans in the immediate surrounding areas like Perry Barr, Great Barr, Kingstanding and Erdington at all are there? I'm surprised that someone 'immersed' in the city wouldn't know that. Someone should also tell him that being immersed in the city doesn't just include frequent trips to Sports Direct in the Bullring and dinner at Chicken Hut.
Had to laugh though when the reporter on WM asked three Blues fans outside the ground where they were from and a three replied Lichfield.
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Has anyone read the Mail blog from our little SHA visitor? Priceless, and remember this was written from the mean streets of Solihull.
They really do believe this kind of shite, i'm embarrassed for him, and them.
That is what separates Blues fans from Villa ones. We are immersed in the city throughout the weeks soaking up atmospheres, we don’t hop in our 4x4s and drive from Lichfield or deepest Staffordshire and question why we’re not winning early on, or get excited when ‘Bongo Cam’ finds us in the crowd.
Immersed in the city throughout the weeks soaking up atmospheres?
He has gone beyond the mere moronic into astonishing new realms of stupidity.
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What on earth is Bongo Cam?
An American import. Totally cringeworthy.
Yep. Exactly the kind of thing that doesnt belong at football matches in this country.
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I had never been to the SHA forum before this evening but was tempted to join to respond because the mass of contradictions is beyond imagining.
Someone say that 'The City is Ours' makes sense in Manchester because they are both Manchester clubs but we are just a suburb .....obviously forgetting his words are posted on a forum called Small Heath Alliance.
Another says that he has evidence that we don't live in the city because he saw more Villa fans in Tamworth services than at the ground ............as he drove back to Leeds!
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Contradiction? They'd only think you're telling them to put the missus on the pill. Morons to the last.
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The bloke who wrote that blog lives in Solihull. Most of them are just too thick to get the contradictions.
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What on earth is Bongo Cam?
An American import. Totally cringeworthy.
Yep. Exactly the kind of thing that doesnt belong at football matches in this country.
It's half-time entertainment, probably mainly aimed at children. Pretty much all half-time entertainment is rubbish, but this isn't hurting anyone and those partaking seemed to be enjoying themselves.
There are far bigger things in modern football to get worked up about.
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A bloke giving the wanker sign, the one bloke who really went for it, the bloke who was booed until he started doing it, all amused me.
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What on earth is Bongo Cam?
The prime minister's new nickname.
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What on earth is Bongo Cam?
The prime minister's new nickname.
What on earth is Bongo Cam?
The prime minister's new nickname.
Surely Ham Cam?
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What on earth is Bongo Cam?
The prime minister's new nickname.
What on earth is Bongo Cam?
The prime minister's new nickname.
Surely Ham Cam?
I figure if he he loses the PM gig he will need to broaden his repertoire beyond his current specialist deviance.
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What on earth is Bongo Cam?
An American import. Totally cringeworthy.
Yep. Exactly the kind of thing that doesnt belong at football matches in this country.
It's half-time entertainment, probably mainly aimed at children. Pretty much all half-time entertainment is rubbish, but this isn't hurting anyone and those partaking seemed to be enjoying themselves.
There are far bigger things in modern football to get worked up about.
Mind you, you could say the same about goal music and that is absolutely worth getting worked up about.
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It is interesting that all Blues are saying is that they have a "moral victory" for various reasons while we are enjoying beating them and saying that Rowett has done a decent job and they played reasonably. I don't hate them until they play us and then only as a natural reaction to their venom.
More bothered about Liverpool on Saturday and Saints in the Cup now...
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http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/09/23/loved-every-minute-birmingham-city-players-react-after-aston-vil/
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What on earth is Bongo Cam?
An American import. Totally cringeworthy.
Yep. Exactly the kind of thing that doesnt belong at football matches in this country.
It's half-time entertainment, probably mainly aimed at children. Pretty much all half-time entertainment is rubbish, but this isn't hurting anyone and those partaking seemed to be enjoying themselves.
There are far bigger things in modern football to get worked up about.
Mind you, you could say the same about goal music and that is absolutely worth getting worked up about.
I'll give you that. Should be filed along drums and brass bands among things that should absofuckinglutely be seen nowhere near a football ground.
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Its always the same, we win the foofball match, then they have to find a way of jusifying why they got 0 nil next to their name again.
History now, liverpool just about beat Carlisle last night, lets hope the their form carries on that way.
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http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/09/23/barry-bannan-revels-in-birmingham-cup-exit-celebrates-rangers-lo/
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http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/09/23/grealish-richards-and-aston-villa-teammates-react-on-twitter-to/
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I thought their support was shite. Barely heard them at all and not a peep in the second half.
Their piss poor away support was as bland and poor as their team.
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I am disappointed that Colin Tattum no longer writes for the Mail.
I loved his piece of triumphalism after they got beat 1-0 when Milner scored the penalty. It was a great win for Small Heath that day, much like this classic, to be only beat by 1-0.
They're such an hilariously small time club. The contradictory garbage they're blathering on about and typing about on SHA is a classic example.
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Can't really see too much wrong with what they've put. They're hardly going to say "our fans are shit". It's not like they've particularly had a pop at Villa.
I did enjoy them taking to Twitter to "celebrate" narrowly-defeating the mighty Blyth Spartans last year.
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Another Blues thread? I thought it was them who were supposed to be obsessed with us?!
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It's a Villa/Blues thread, on a Villa forum, just after we've played Blues. Nothing too obsessive there really.
Could prob be merged with the Small Heath or the post-match thread though, admittedly.
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http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/09/23/loved-every-minute-birmingham-city-players-react-after-aston-vil/
'Crowd were great'
Yeah thanks lads, very magnanimous of them I thought, its tough to get ourselves up for midweek games against lower league minnows but I'm glad they enjoyed playing in front of a crowd for once.
Bless.
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What on earth is Bongo Cam?
An American import. Totally cringeworthy.
Yep. Exactly the kind of thing that doesnt belong at football matches in this country.
I said at the time a new low in cringeworthiness. Had it come to our bit in the upper Holte we planned to moon it
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Another Blues thread? I thought it was them who were supposed to be obsessed with us?!
My thoughts exactly
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I still think in recent months, West Brom's actions have been even more small time than Small Heath's.
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Another Blues thread? I thought it was them who were supposed to be obsessed with us?!
My thoughts exactly
You both couldn't help but click on it though.
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Another Blues thread? I thought it was them who were supposed to be obsessed with us?!
My thoughts exactly
You both couldn't help but click on it though.
:-X
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I am disappointed that Colin Tattum no longer writes for the Mail.
I loved his piece of triumphalism after they got beat 1-0 when Milner scored the penalty. It was a great win for Small Heath that day, much like this classic, to be only beat by 1-0.
They're such an hilariously small time club. The contradictory garbage they're blathering on about and typing about on SHA is a classic example.
Have a look at his Twitter account. As bitter as ever.
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I had never been to the SHA forum before this evening but was tempted to join to respond because the mass of contradictions is beyond imagining.
Someone say that 'The City is Ours' makes sense in Manchester because they are both Manchester clubs but we are just a suburb .....obviously forgetting his words are posted on a forum called Small Heath Alliance.
Another says that he has evidence that we don't live in the city because he saw more Villa fans in Tamworth services than at the ground ............as he drove back to Leeds!
Old Trafford isn't technically in Manchester is it? Saying that, who am I to question the intellectual might of posters on a Small Heath Forum.
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The Secret Footballer taking the piss out of Rowett for revealing he knew Villa's team the day before the match...
Gary Rowett looks just silly in revealing Birmingham City’s inside information
After Aston Villa’s 1-0 victory over Birmingham City in the Capital One Cup third round on Tuesday night, Gary Rowett, the Birmingham manager, said: “I actually knew their team [on Monday], funnily enough. That often happens, you often get a little tip-off. Sometimes they’re right, sometimes they’re not.”
It was perplexing to all of us in the game as to why Rowett felt the need to mention it. Leaking teams goes on all the time. In fact, as a manager, you have to work on the assumption that the opposition will know which 11 players they are about to face at any point in the season.
I have leaked teams to other managers and teams have been leaked to me. You do it because managers remember it and you never know when you might need a favour yourself.
I’ve even had friends at rival clubs leak their teams to me. In fact, during the team meeting at our training ground prior to that match, my manager had stated specifically, without asking me first: “TSF will get their team for us and we’ll go from there.”
That was about five years ago but I remember it vividly. He said it in such a blase way, so flippantly, because he knew – and we knew – that it was just a given.
Leaking teams goes on all the time but it’s not as bad as it sounds in truth because you are never going to come up against a team that has changed all 11 outfield players from one game to the next.
So you are never really going to get caught out by a full-blown change of personnel.
All a manager is looking for is the reassurance that his best guess and the best guess of his analytics department on the opposition team is, in fact, on the money.
He wants to know if it is Diego Costa playing this week or Loic Remy, not whether the entire team is going to change from the week before because that doesn’t happen.
He wants to know if the injury sustained by John Terry will keep him out and whether Kurt Zouma will come in, not whether the whole back four is going to change.
And I’ll tell you how you can prove how easy it is.
This week, take the team that you support and best guess their starting XI. I bet you get most of the XI correct, probably ten out of 11. Then do it the following week and the week after that.
What you will find is that the changes very often come about as a result of injuries and suspensions, not like-for-like changes.
And most of the time you will be able to accurately pick the replacement player. It will be obvious. As a manager, that’s all you need to know.
I’ve been in team meetings where a player has piped up and said: “O’Shea tells me that Rooney is struggling, he got a knock in training.” Or it might be: “The kit man at Arsenal says that Walcott has been to Germany this week for a test on his hamstring.”
Those are more common. Usually, it will be an international team-mate who has the info.
Usually it will be an international team-mate who has the info
It is those snippets that are then followed up in-house. Very rarely do you need to have the entire team leaked to you bar, say, a cup match in which fringe players generally get a chance to prove their worth.
But those games are not really treated with the same respect as a league match.
The big mystery here is why Rowett came out and said what he said. I can think of only two reasons.
The first is ego. It has all the hallmarks of a “look at me, I can find out the starting XI of a Premier League team. Even though I’m beneath you, you’re nothing special. I’m your equal, etc.”
The second reason is that Rowett is attempting to undermine a bigger, local rival to endear himself to the Birmingham fans.
Fans love the chance to laugh at their rivals and Rowett will be thinking to himself that this makes Villa look a bit comical.
Like something such as this shouldn’t and doesn’t happen in football, especially at a Premier League club.
But take my word for it, it happens every single week in every single division at every club.
Very rarely will you find a surprise player in a starting XI.
If there is a change of personnel that looks as if it may have been a surprise when he lines up on Saturday afternoon, then I can guarantee you that his presence will have been known about by no later than Friday afternoon.
It’s poor from Rowett, to be honest. I think he’s made himself look silly in attempting to do the same to Villa.
When asked if the leak was worrying, Villa manager Tim Sherwood said: “Of course it’s not. It’s interesting why he even mentioned it. It’s strange.”
Put it this way, it’s more surprising than Villa’s line-up on Tuesday.[\quote]
Read more at http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/28409/gary-rowett-looks-just-silly-in-revealing-birmingham-citys-inside-information/#hJFqDSzYfUGGgIAr.99
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So, Villa v Blose, lower Holte. In my seat eagerly awaiting the slaughter of the noses that would ensue. Everyone standing- great, atmosphere building.
Kick off seconds away and my row was joined by 3, I won't call them men as they weren't, who literally barged past, pushed several people, including two pensioners out of the way and proceeded to occupy seats that weren't theirs. Now I like to help out fellow fans and had they asked to sit/stand together no problem. Drink had clearly played its part (no objection to anyone having a few) but their demeanour was, frankly disgusting.
They took it upon themselves to bellow out the ever so witty Tracy Andrews ditty as though it were the most cutting hilarious jibe ever, much to the bemusement of those around them. They collectively and constantly berated Villa players as "******". Grantedfirst half was shit, but booing your own team off in a derby???!!!
So, was this a case of the youth having a bit too much ale and indulging in a bit of leary banter? NO- these were three 40-50 year olds clearly vicariously reenacting their "top boy" days. These were, supposedly, fully formed adults of the species, dads, maybe even granddads. An utterly pathetic sight. Knuckle Draggers- fuck off you've had your day.
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Won't quote you to avoid clogging up the page, but that article was a good read, cheers SaundersHeroes.
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Rowett can't be the new Bob Paisley that they're all hyping him up to be if he knew our starting 11 the day before and they still couldn't beat us.
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Won't quote you to avoid clogging up the page, but that article was a good read, cheers SaundersHeroes.
Agreed cheers for that Saunders - I'm convinced TSF is Danny Murphy.
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Dave Kitson, inni? Although I think he gives contrasting clues sometimes to throw readers of the scent.
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http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/09/23/loved-every-minute-birmingham-city-players-react-after-aston-vil/
Love it, sounds like a bunch of non league players getting their ''time to shine'' on the big stage, then disappearing back in to the anonymity of 15,000 at the Sty.
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http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/09/23/loved-every-minute-birmingham-city-players-react-after-aston-vil/
Love it, sounds like a bunch of non league players getting their ''time to shine'' on the big stage, then disappearing back in to the anonymity of 15,000 at the Sty.
They with thier fans are in a continual delusional feedback loop.
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The first half with Lescott and Gabby was like playing with 9 players, no wonder we were under pressure.
Once we had 11 players it was game over :D
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But it wasn't like playing with nine it was much worse as there were 9 on our side 13 playing for them due to the errors both were making.
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I actually think Gabby was ok.
Lescott was beyond shite.
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Just reading the Bham mail. Reading about the arrests. The noses named were from Redditch and Solihull. Yet those fuckin retards try an claim they are Brums club an our fans aren't from Bham. What utter bollix. I live in Nechells where the majority of my mates are villa!!! Noses from the mean streets of Solihull & Redditch trying to tell ME that they are the true Birmingham club. Oh the irony.
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Sorry don't buy that Edge.They are from Small Heath and a Brum club. We have loads from Tamworth and Ireland etc. and that's great. Agree on all us Nechellians being the bedrock of Villa support😀
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Sorry don't buy that Edge.They are from Small Heath and a Brum club. We have loads from Tamworth and Ireland etc. and that's great. Agree on all us Nechellians being the bedrock of Villa support😀
I'm not denying they are a Birmingham club. Of course they are,they're small heath and we're aston.
Im talking about them claiming that villa support is made up mainly of people from outside Brum when that's clearly bollox. Yes we welcome fans from far and wide but so do they. And I wouldn't mind betting that the proportion of fans who travel from outside the city is similar for both clubs. It's just that we get bigger crowds so there's a larger number that come to see the famous Villa.
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One from the other side. http://thebirminghampress.com/2015/09/villa-triumph/
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One from the other side. http://thebirminghampress.com/2015/09/villa-triumph/
I don't know if I was watching a different game but I honestly thought they were shit and had only a five minute spell in the first when they were on top, other than that they were either as shit as we were or chasing shadows in he second.
Again, if they don't like it that other teams don't have a crook in charge or get pitiful crowds meaning they have a quid or two, maybe they shouldn't bother entering competitions where they might be drawn against them.
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One from the other side. http://thebirminghampress.com/2015/09/villa-triumph/
I don't know if I was watching a different game but I honestly thought they were shit and had only a five minute spell in the first when they were on top, other than that they were either as shit as we were or chasing shadows in he second.
Again, if they don't like it that other teams don't have a crook in charge or get pitiful crowds meaning they have a quid or two, maybe they shouldn't bother entering competitions where they might be drawn against them.
Andy's one of their brighter supporters but I can't remember a time when their overwhelming attitude was an Albion-lite "We're only a little club, we did ever so well and our fans was ever so good". I wonder if it was because they expected to win so they had to make an excuse up quickly.
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Did they? I mean *really* expected to win? i thought they only looked like the had a sniff when we inavriably helped create something for them. We didn't play well for a large part and they were nowhere near good enough to take advantage. Free-kick first half, 10 yards outside the box. Chips it over the wall into Guzan's arms. The were useless.
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I thought they were far less shit than us tbh in the first half, all down to Tims tactics though apparently!!! Lets be honest and say they were the better team in the first half and we fecked up the tactics
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They are impossible to reason with, I had one trying to tell me that they were great fans because they clapped their players off and sang a little ditty. They'll struggle to get 16k against Rotherham on Saturday, loyalty is a bit more than trying to get a ticket to watch them play Villa every five years.
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Nothing, and I include us in this on far too many occasions, screams smalltime more than boasting that you made more noise than the home fans after you've lost.
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Nothing, and I include us in this on far too many occasions, screams smalltime more than boasting that you made more noise than the home fans after you've lost.
And it's even smaller time if it just ain't true.
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Did they? I mean *really* expected to win? i thought they only looked like the had a sniff when we inavriably helped create something for them. We didn't play well for a large part and they were nowhere near good enough to take advantage. Free-kick first half, 10 yards outside the box. Chips it over the wall into Guzan's arms. The were useless.
They expected tonwin in the Simod Cup in 1988
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Not sure they expected to win, but they definitely really fancied their chances. Let's be honest, there were more than a few on here not fancying us.
The reality is though, even if they are doing ok in the little leagues, they are still shit. They played a side low on confidence, that had an awful first half, most of their lot are saying they played really well, and they still created fuck all. We then played well for 15-20 mins and tore them apart. If they somehow did jam their way to promotion, they would get battered on a regular basis in the PL.
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I lived in ward end, there wash wood Heath , the GLebe and Lea VIllage were VIlla, as you went down the 11 bus route it became even more claret and less blue
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Not sure they expected to win, but they definitely really fancied their chances. Let's be honest, there were more than a few on here not fancying us.
The reality is though, even if they are doing ok in the little leagues, they are still shit. They played a side low on confidence, that had an awful first half, most of their lot are saying they played really well, and they still created fuck all. We then played well for 15-20 mins and tore them apart. If they somehow did jam their way to promotion, they would get battered on a regular basis in the PL.
We can talk all night about them being shit but they were better than us first half. Second half totally different with the right tactics
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Don't see that at all, we were better first half an hour, then went shit, them the same. Second half they were lucky to get nil.
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Is that why we booed them off at half time? We were shocking first half and the tactics were totally wrong. I stick up for Sherwood as much as I can, but his comments after the game were useless and Rowetts were spot on, if he had meant those tactics and they had worked, would we have booed them?
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You might have done. We were shit first half, but the important bit for now, so were they, and shitter than us for most of it. We are more discerning and them, more accepting of their position.
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I didn't actually but many did and we were shite. I disagree that they were as bad, they were just less shite.
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So you're agreeing with me then, we were shit, and they, despite by their standards playing well, were still too shit to create fuck all.
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No I am not agreeing, they should have scored with the right winger to be fair. They played better than us, but that isn't much tbh. More to the point, I thought we were awful in the first half and the tactics were wrong and the manager, who I support, should have admitted that
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Which was in the second half when we are talking about the first half.
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The right winger should have scored in the first half, he shot wide.
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He went too far out wide so had a crap angle, that is never a "should have scored" chance. Although if you think it is, that he couldn't even hit the target further backs up my "they were too shit to take advantage" line.
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One from the other side. http://thebirminghampress.com/2015/09/villa-triumph/
Wow! Now that is one serious bitter Bluenose!
"Blues played possession football that was a joy to see."
Ha ha!
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I watched the game again the next day and they created 2 decent chances in the whole game. The first was half chance early on when someone screwed a shot wide from an angle and the second was a genuine chance to score but the striker fluffed his lines. Other than that I can't remember a single other attempt at our goal. Is this the moral victory they've been claiming?
Such a small time outfit.
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Indeed, when we play lower league teams I always pay attention to who I think might cut it in the Prem. I hadn't heard of any of their players beforehand and I don't think we'll hear of any of them again.
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The only other notable attempt I can remember was that crap freekick in the first half that was lobbed straight at Brad.
A fair few rate that Gray kid, but he was crap on Tuesday.
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Judging by the silence on facebook I think they know the truth.
Only one nose I know has posted anything. He reckoned that apart from the 15 mins at the start of the second half they were very comfortable.
I just shook my head and couldn't be arsed to reply.
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I find it a bit sad that we are having to debate whether we were better than them first half. Thing is they are shit and we should have gone for the kill from the start. We should not have to resort to comparing whether we are better than them
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One from the other side. http://thebirminghampress.com/2015/09/villa-triumph/
Wow! Now that is one serious bitter Bluenose!
"Blues played possession football that was a joy to see."
Ha ha!
I remember thinking when I saw their line up "thank god Cotterill isn't playing". We wouldn't have stood a chance with him in the team.
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I find it a bit sad that we are having to debate whether we were better than them first half. Thing is they are shit and we should have gone for the kill from the start. We should not have to resort to comparing whether we are better than them
Nobody is comparing whether we're better than them because it's a given.
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I find it a bit sad that we are having to debate whether we were better than them first half. Thing is they are shit and we should have gone for the kill from the start. We should not have to resort to comparing whether we are better than them
Nobody is comparing whether we're better than them because it's a given.
It should be, but wasn't at half time on Wednesday
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I find it a bit sad that we are having to debate whether we were better than them first half. Thing is they are shit and we should have gone for the kill from the start. We should not have to resort to comparing whether we are better than them
Nobody is comparing whether we're better than them because it's a given.
It should be, but wasn't at half time on Wednesday
So what? The way some have gone on you'd think no club had ever had a dodgy first half then improved as the match went on.
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I find it a bit sad that we are having to debate whether we were better than them first half. Thing is they are shit and we should have gone for the kill from the start. We should not have to resort to comparing whether we are better than them
Nobody is comparing whether we're better than them because it's a given.
It should be, but wasn't at half time on Wednesday
So what? The way some have gone on you'd think no club had ever had a dodgy first half then improved as the match went on.
Tuesday by the way, so I messed up there lol.
It was a very dodgy first half, to say the least. Thankfully the tactics were changed and we started to play football the way the players in the team are suited to. Then we bossed the game
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Credit to the manager for changing it then.
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Credit to the manager for changing it then.
Much as I like the manager, no I would not say credit to him for changing it, IMHO he picked the wrong team to start with and the long ball tactic was wrong.
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What caused the second half change then - mass hypnotism? You can't criticise him for getting it wrong in the first half without praising him for getting it right in the second.
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Well he said Gabby was injured, so that was one of the subs. Clark had been awful at centre midfielder, it was not the game for him to be there. Even the manager said his intention was to stretch the game first half and it was deliberate to play long ball and then change it at half time, that was absolute nonsense. If that was his plan, he messed up, plain and simple.
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Well he said Gabby was injured, so that was one of the subs. Clark had been awful at centre midfielder, it was not the game for him to be there. Even the manager said his intention was to stretch the game first half and it was deliberate to play long ball and then change it at half time, that was absolute nonsense. If that was his plan, he messed up, plain and simple.
You've just said that we bossed the game in the second half so I'll say it again - what was that down to?
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I think I have already responded to that, do you think the manager was right in his tactics at the start? Do you honestly think his plan was like he said after the match? If so, do you think it was the correct way to go about things? I like Sherwood and think he can do a good job for us, but he needs to admit when he got things wrong.
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I don't know what his tactics were all through the match and I don't care. Whatever was wrong in the first half he put right and we won with ease. I've seen us contain Manchester United or Arsenal for an hour then fail to live with their substitutions as they went through the gears in the final stages and this was much the same.
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As I said, he said his tactics were to play it long in the first half and change it entirely in the second half. I agree substitutions can change games, but the tactics don't usually change so much at such an early stage. I think we all know what was wrong in the first half
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I fancy doing a bit of shopping today - is it safe to go into town yet, or are there still 'Blues everywhere'?
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I keep hearing how well they played first half but I'm struggling to remember a decent chance they created. In fact they created just one clear cut chance in the whole match. Let's face it they were shit and we should have won by a lot more.
They should count themselves lucky.
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TS tried an approach in the first half that protected playmakers Grealish, Gil, a fragile Ayew etc, but had them on the bench if things didn't work out...we see "better" clubs doing exactly this whenever they play "lesser" teams, saving certain players from potential injury, especially with other crucial games coming up.
TS could see the "hoof it up to Rudy and Gabby" approach wasn't working and changed it.
It worked.
Credit to the manager for managing.
However, I hope he won't see this as a tactic to be employed in every game we play!
(Just been for my flu jab - the only nose in town was telling me how they were robbed on Tuesday, including by the ref... "what decisions did he get wrong then that robbed you?"..."all of them". Think he was having his annual injection of reality)
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Maybe I wasn't talking nonsense, you maybe able to feck up against a pile of turd team, but not against a half decent team
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I will again say I want Sherwood in charge but:
no long ball shit v turs teams
negatice tactucs v a a team in the same mess
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Seems I was chatting shite eh, but as the song goes 2 out of 3 aint bad nut to be fair I don't want 2 or 3
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I don't know what his tactics were all through the match and I don't care. Whatever was wrong in the first half he put right and we won with ease. I've seen us contain Manchester United or Arsenal for an hour then fail to live with their substitutions as they went through the gears in the final stages and this was much the same.
Do you still feel the same after yesterday?
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So all you slagging me off for my comments have gone quiet?
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Hint-
Look for threads with 'Liverpool' or Sherwood' in the title.
You'll find everybody over there.
UTV!
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Hint-
Look for threads with 'Liverpool' or Sherwood' in the title.
You'll find everybody over there.
UTV!
Thanks, I have been on there
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Maybe I wasn't talking total nonsense
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Mr Woodall, do you agree with me now, the manager may be able to get away with incompetent tactics v a shite team, but not against a not so good premiership team?
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Mr Woodall, do you agree with me now, the manager may be able to get away with incompetent tactics v a shite team, but not against a not so good premiership team?
1) Spell the name correctly.
2) Nobody defended the manager's tactics regardless of the level of opposition.
3) It's not a very good idea to post at this time of the morning.
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Mr Woodall, do you agree with me now, the manager may be able to get away with incompetent tactics v a shite team, but not against a not so good premiership team?
1) Spell the name correctly.
2) Nobody defended the manager's tactics regardless of the level of opposition.
3) It's not a very good idea to post at this time of the morning.
No need to be like that, think my point was well made
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And I think you're being unduly antagonistic, and have been across several threads.
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And I think you're being unduly antagonistic, and have been across several threads.
Am I not allowed an opinion? I made a point after the Blues game and think my comments have been proved to be true, unfortunately.
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You're allowed an opinion. You're also allowed to have your opinion challenged, to have it pointed out that what you're so keen to gloat about isn't in fact what anyone said, to be asked not to re-open old threads for the sole purpose of antagonising other posters and to be warned that "Am I not allowed to have an opinion" is high on the list of things that piss the mods off.
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You're allowed an opinion. You're also allowed to have your opinion challenged, to have it pointed out that what you're so keen to gloat about isn't in fact what anyone said, to be asked not to re-open old threads for the sole purpose of antagonising other posters and to be warned that "Am I not allowed to have an opinion" is high on the list of things that piss the mods off.
I have never been rude and do not think anybody would think otherwise. If that is a threat I think that is most unfair. I am not gloating about anything, I have said on many threads I want the manager to succeed but I am concerned with his tactics.
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No-one has said you were rude. Just repetitive!
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No-one has said you were rude. Just repetitive!
I was only repetitive in stating the facts. I fail to understand how that will warrant "mods" looking at me. Surely this is a site for Villa fans and I have been one for over 45 years. I stick to my comments on the Blues game and things that have happened since appear to back me up. I have been repetitive about the managers wrong tactics, is that incorrect?
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Why don't you give it a rest?
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yes sir