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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: UK Redsox on September 22, 2015, 06:43:44 PM
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Available from team announcements
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@StanCollymore: #AVFC Guzan/Bacuna Richards Lescott Amavi/Clark/Sinclair Veretout Westwood Gabby/Gestede
@talkSPORT The Derby LIVE from 7pm
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Surely it's available as soon as you start it?
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I think that's the team, not just SVC's prediction
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Clacker in midfield? Good if true. We need bite there. Would have paired him with Sanchez though, not Vivienne.
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Didn't Sherwood suggest going with a 3 CB system and employing 2 wing backs. Gabby and Gestede up front in what looks a 3-5-2.
Mr Sox you need to pull your socks up with the Match Threads and get us off this shit streak we've been on.
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He needs to decide whether to play Guzan or Bacuna in goal fairly sharpish.
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Didn't Sherwood suggest going with a 3 CB system and employing 2 wing backs. Gabby and Gestede in what looks a 3-5-2
Yeah I think this could work well. No kozak even on the bench? Did I miss an injury or something?
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He needs to decide whether to play Guzan or Bacuna in goal fairly sharpish.
Not the biggest fan of Guzan right now but I wouldn't drop him for Bacuna. Bit harsh.
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The format of Stan's tweet suggests 4-1-4-1
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He needs to decide whether to play Guzan or Bacuna in goal fairly sharpish.
They might both do a better job if they switched round.
[\obvious joke]
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Come on villa!!!!! Hope Clark is in midfield
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I thought we might lose this before I saw that line up. Now I'm really think we will.
Not happy with that team at all
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Still possibly a 4-3-3?
Rudy up top with Sinclair and gabby down the wings.
I would try the 3-5-2 though, could work well with Bacuna and Amavi As out and out wing backs.
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Interesting to see if it is 3-5-2. I am a big fan of Gil, would have liked him to start. I noticed that he got the note 5 against WBA in the Birmingham Mail, I thought he was our best player, though I agree he was not at his best. I hope Westwood improves and Veretou and Gestede grab the chance.
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I feel sick.
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Stan's tweet says 4-1-4-1 but it looks like 3 at the back to me, with Amavi and Bacuna as wing backs, Veretout/Westwood in midfield with Sinclair behind Gabby and Rudy.
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I feel sick.
In two hours time when you are watching the replays of our five goal win you will be happy enough :) Gabby hat trick!
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He needs to decide whether to play Guzan or Bacuna in goal fairly sharpish.
Don't get it.
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We look feeble across the park.
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Is tonight a night to be trying a new formation ??
Bit mental
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Lots go square pegs in round holes in that team whichever formation we play.
the squad isn't that small to justify such bizarre selections in my opinion.
I hope gabby has done his job off the field and highlighted to the new lads exactly how pumped up they need to be in this encounter to match the Blues.
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I feel sick.
In two hours time when you are watching the replays of our five goal win you will be happy enough :) Gabby hat trick!
is that 3 touches of the ball..........
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What no orange dot?
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He needs to decide whether to play Guzan or Bacuna in goal fairly sharpish.
Don't get it.
Guzan/Bacuna...
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I thought we might lose this before I saw that line up. Now I'm really think we will.
Not happy with that team at all
Agree
Its an absolute shocker
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Lots go square pegs in round holes in that team whichever formation we play.
the squad isn't that small to justify such bizarre selections in my opinion.
If it's 4-3-3 (and I'm pretty sure that it would be), then it's Clark playing about 20 feet further forward than normal and everybody else in their normal position isn't it?
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What no orange dot?
It was retired last season.
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Clark and Westwood in the midfield! No mobility whatsoever.
Surely Sanchez needed
Why not Jack or Gil. At least one of them to play to actually have some flair in the team.
No width as well
Looks a very poor team to me.
Going up the loft to find my prayer mat
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Not sure about the midfield - looks a bit lightweight. Kozak situation is a joke.
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I am with Lee, except I feel physically sick.
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New Street is er interesting.
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Score first we win. Go behind we'll struggle.
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New Street is er interesting.
Is the Holte a sea of blue yet?
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Turn up for once please Villa.
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Noses bricked the Manor Tavern and ran off. Soft twats.
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New Street is er interesting.
Grand Central ?
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Birmingham City
29 Kuszczak
31 Caddis
28 Morrison
23 Spector
03 Grounds
06 Kieftenbeld
08 Gleeson
19 Maghoma
26 Davis
07 Gray
09 Donaldson
Substitutes
01 Legzdins
04 Robinson
17 Solomon-Otabor
20 Toral
22 Shinnie
25 Lowry
44 Brock-Madsen
I'm amazed that I recgonise as many as six of those names.
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Sat in my seat in the Holte, not happy with the line up but just gotta support the boys now come on let's do these fuckers. Up the Villa
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I have the joy of a tidy mob on my train and not knowing whose mob it is. Which is fun.
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Baffling line-up but I predicted he'd overload the team with attackers and hes done it - Gabby, Sinclair, Gestade. We look v v weak in midfield but I hope I am wrong. Hutton would lap this game up. Kozak v unlucky.
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I feel sick. This is going to be a bad night.
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Bloody hell that line up doesn't fill me with confidence, especially with no Gil or Grealish who are the only players who look like ever creating something.
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I have the joy of a tidy mob on my train and not knowing whose mob it is. Which is fun.
Oh, I've heard about these 'tidy mobs', aren't they the ones who clean up the blood as they go along?
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Gabriel Agbonlahor you owe us a performance tonight - two days in a row in the paper for non-footballing reasons, for McGrath's sake get your name on the score sheet and some positive news in the rags tomorrow.
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That team selection is.......interesting
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Baffling line-up but I predicted he'd overload the team with attackers and hes done it - Gabby, Sinclair, Gestade.
You feel that playing three attack minded players is too many?
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That midfield looks very lightweight to me, SHA will be snapping into challenges, we're in big trouble if Westwood and Veretout go into hiding, I would've stuck with Sanchez for this one.
When I saw it I thought Bacuna in midfield and Richards moved to RB but guess Clark could be DM although he hasn't played there in about 4 years I think.
Would've played Grealish aswell, his quality on the ball would've worried their defence imo.
As ever in derby games first goal is crucial.
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Bloody hell that line up doesn't fill me with confidence, especially with no Gil or Grealish who are the only players who look like ever creating something.
At least one of Gil or Grealish should be starting. A big game to pitch Veretout in.
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Looks like 3 at the back, unless Richards is at RB. Could be a make or break night for TS, middle of the park looks light weight to me. Hopefully Rudy will fair better against Championship players. UTV.
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That team selection is.......interesting
"Interesting" as in, "potentially disastrous"?
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Bloody hell that line up doesn't fill me with confidence, especially with no Gil or Grealish who are the only players who look like ever creating something.
At least one of Gil or Grealish should be starting. A big game to pitch Veretout in.
I'm amazed Grealish isn't playing, he knows all about this fixture as well.
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I am a bit perplexed by the selection. I think it is a 3-4-3 in essence, but we will see. If it is a 4 at the back, I reckon it is much more likely Bacuna is in midfield, with Lescott moving over to left back.
For me though, for the 3rd game running without Gana, we are a central midfielder light whatever you play.
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4-3-3 according to Sky. Richards at right back. Bacuna on the right of midfield.
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On the plus side Gestede should be operating at his level!
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Looks like 3 at the back, unless Richards is at RB. Could be a make or break night for TS, middle of the park looks light weight to me. Hopefully Rudy will fair better against Championship players. UTV.
Rudy really bossed Bournemouth around when he came in so hopefully can do likewise here
The selection of Gabby is very puzzling, Sanchez for him and you could at least see what Sherwood is trying to do
Share the concerns re our midfield getting bullied without Sanchez
UTV
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Blimey what a night to faff about with formation, he is certainly a gambler our Tim.
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Is it just me who feels a bit underwhelmed after the last couple of weeks?
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4-3-3 according to Sky. Richards at right back. Bacuna on the right of midfield.
I think they are wrong
Two lefties at CH?
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Pah, not nervous at all. We will stroll this.
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What are people watching in the USA?
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On the plus side Gestede should be operating at his level!
But that requires service at his level.
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Dwight Yorke is a fully qualified graduate of the School of Lazy Football Clichés.
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Dwight Yorke - "Villa losing tonight is unthinkable"
Alex McLeish must be one of the more genuine guys we have had in charge, always comes across well
Gary Rowett giving it the big one about Villa spending 55m and Blues 500k and a bag or crisps
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That team selection is.......interesting
"Interesting" as in, "potentially disastrous"?
Exactly. Fun night ahead!
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Guess Tim is just thinking championships defences usually struggle against pace so he's put as much into the team from wide positions as possible, Gil and Grealish can obviously slow us down and will be used later on.
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Nose escort has been twatted.
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Morons banging on the Sky Box glass! Yorkie smiling...!
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How big are Dwight Yorke's lapels?
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What are people watching in the USA?
Ooh, I know! Is it White on Black police brutality?!
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Dwight Yorke is a fully qualified graduate of the School of Lazy Football Clichés.
What complete arsehole he is. How he's making a living as a pundit is beyond me truely untinkable. He's so ant Villa too, maybe he should remember who gave him his first contract in England.
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I'm guessing the Holte has been taken by storm already by Lulus?
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What are people watching in the USA?
I am listening at work, got it recording on Bein sport tonight starts 7PM Pst I think.
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Pre match tension a tad more noticeable tonight
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Dwight Yorke is a fully qualified graduate of the School of Lazy Football Clichés.
What complete arsehole he is. How he's making a living as a pundit is beyond me truely untinkable. He's so ant Villa too, maybe he should remember who gave him his first contract in England.
You'd never know he used to play for us would you? Twat.
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What are people watching in the USA?
Ooh, I know! Is it White on Black police brutality?!
Is it Obama. Is he a Jihadi? On Fox.
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Gabriel Agbonlahor you owe us a performance tonight - two days in a row in the paper for non-footballing reasons, for McGrath's sake get your name on the score sheet and some positive news in the rags tomorrow.
This. If he doesn't do it tonight he should be bombed. He's stealing a living at the moment
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I hope this doesn't go the same way as cuntnight 12 years ago.
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I hope this doesn't go the same way as cuntnight 12 years ago.
Don't even think about it.
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Dwight Yorke is a fully qualified graduate of the School of Lazy Football Clichés.
What complete arsehole he is. How he's making a living as a pundit is beyond me truely untinkable. He's so ant Villa too, maybe he should remember who gave him his first contract in England.
shite pundit for sure but think he is coming across very much as a Villa man tonight
To be honest, Im willing to forgive all of his United ambassador nonsense to remember his brilliance on the pitch for us, best ever Villa chant too in his honour
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What are people watching in the USA?
Ooh, I know! Is it White on Black police brutality?!
Is it Obama. Is he a Jihadi? On Fox.
Is it Donald Trump's wig making a mockery of the American electoral process?
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How big are Dwight Yorke's lapels?
Read Jordan's biography.
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I can't decide what's worse:
Back three for first time, with Westwood and veretout as a midfield two (two!!)
Clark holding midfield with Westwood in there too
Either way dropping grealish and Gil means very little creativity
Hope I'm very wrong but I'm expecting pain
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How big are Dwight Yorke's lapels?
Read Jordan's biography.
Which one? There are so many.
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The next 90+ minutes are gonna be crucial....
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I can't decide what's worse:
Back three for first time, with Westwood and veretout as a midfield two (two!!)
Clark holding midfield with Westwood in there too
Either way dropping grealish and Gil means very little creativity
Hope I'm very wrong but I'm expecting pain
Sky reckon Clark in the middle of defence with Richards at RB.
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I'm about to vomit a kidney
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I can't decide what's worse:
Back three for first time, with Westwood and veretout as a midfield two (two!!)
Clark holding midfield with Westwood in there too
Either way dropping grealish and Gil means very little creativity
Hope I'm very wrong but I'm expecting pain
Sky reckon Clark in the middle of defence with Richards at RB.
And they're totally wrong.
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Apparently Rudy scored a hat trick against them last year....
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Clark seems to be in midfield. He's already given the ball away three times.
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Clark is not a midfielder.
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Looks like
Bacuna Richards Lescott Amavi
Westwood Clark Veretout
Gabby Gestede Sinclair
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Clark is not a midfielder.
Not sure what he is TBH.
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Jesus
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Grey against Bacuna is not ideal.
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I'm not having fun.
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Just been watching a couple of minutes, but are they playing the football and we doing the kicking? What's up with that?
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I hope it's;
----------------Guzan---------------
------Richards---Lescott--Clark----
Bacuna-------------------------Amavi
---------Westwood--Veretout-------
----------------Sinclair---------------
---------Gestede-----Agbonlohor----
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In Riley's on Haymarket - toppers with noses. 'Kin brill... Come on you Lions. UTV.
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All them...
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Just been watching a couple of minutes, but are they playing the football and we doing the kicking? What's up with that?
They look a lot more assured than we do so far.
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I hope it's;
----------------Guzan---------------
------Richards---Lescott--Clark----
Bacuna-------------------------Amavi
---------Westwood--Veretout-------
----------------Sinclair---------------
---------Gestede-----Agbonlohor----
it isn't
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well that was shit
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Brainless defending from our experienced centre backs so far
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What is Lescott doing there!
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The ball fell to Rudy and he had the goal gaping, unfortunately it was on his foot rather than his head and he didn't know what to do.
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4-1-2-3 looks like
these Birmingham front two look decent
nice pass from Veretout into Sinclair, Gestede very slow getting his feet sorted and chance was gone
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I hope it's;
----------------Guzan---------------
------Richards---Lescott--Clark----
Bacuna-------------------------Amavi
---------Westwood--Veretout-------
----------------Sinclair---------------
---------Gestede-----Agbonlohor----
it isn't
Oh fucking piss flaps. Not sure how else it will work.
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Crap from Gestede, Westwood and then Lescott then.
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Veretout looks decent tonight.
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Just before Gestede needs to just leather it.
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Lovely ball in by Bacuna. That's what you need a no. 9 for, to put those away.
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Veretout needs to start in the league in a 3
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Good game so far
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Gestede's winning headers tonight. Haven't seen that much up to now. Someone needs to start reading them though.
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It's been ages since I've seen the Blues. They look a reasonable footballing team without any really objectionable players. Who am I supposed to hate in their team, who are the new Tait or Savage?
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It's been ages since I've seen the Blues. They look a reasonable footballing team without any really objectionable players. Who am I supposed to hate in their team, who are the new Tait or Savage?
I've dialled it down from hatred. I'm going for 'haughty disdain' now instead.
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It's been ages since I've seen the Blues. They look a reasonable footballing team without any really objectionable players. Who am I supposed to hate in their team, who are the new Tait or Savage?
Caddis as he stopped them going out of business with that goal at Bolton.
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What are people watching in the USA?
Ooh, I know! Is it White on Black police brutality?!
Hilarious, you are wasted on here.
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It's been ages since I've seen the Blues. They look a reasonable footballing team without any really objectionable players. Who am I supposed to hate in their team, who are the new Tait or Savage?
Caddis as he stopped them going out of business with that goal at Bolton.
Yeah. And I don't like his face either.
A little embarrassed that they've had more of the ball, have played more football and we're hoofing it to the big guy. I mean, if we win it's all fine and well, but it's a little disquieting.
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That Demerara guy looks a sweet footballer.
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Gabby and Sinclair far too narrow so far, easy to mark three forwards in the same space
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Our midfield is powder puff
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We are currently being outplayed by Small Heath Alliance. Sort it out.
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Gray looks quality
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Westwood having an absolute mare
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Never mind, looking forward to bringing on....Ayew. sigh.
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Wank midfield.
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Stupid from Gabby
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Mad one by Gabby.
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Calm it down, Gabby.
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Get a sense the ref is going to be more them than us.
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We have no idea how to use Gestede
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We have no idea
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two very evenly matched teams here, except they look more comfortable with a football
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Totally inept
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two very evenly matched teams here, except they look more comfortable with a football
How depressing is that statement.
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We are utterly dire.
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We look abysmal
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nice football from the blues, we need a tactical change already
playing a centre half in midfield at home to a championship team aint really working to put it mildly
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We're hoofing it a lot. You wouldn't think we were the Premier League side.
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This is more like a friendly than a villa blues game.
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Gabby is looking terrible. Absolutely useless. We do keep punting balls up to him, which is stupid, but when he gets the ball he does precisely nothing with it.
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Worryingly we look on a similar level to them, and it's not because they're Premier League quality.
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We're hoofing it a lot. You wouldn't think we were the Premier League side.
I've never seen a game with so many headers. It's like Wimbledon v Watford, circa 1987.
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It doesn't help having Clark in midfield, he doesn't know what to do there. It also doesn't help having your "local derby Talisman" running around like madman trying to get sent off. I also don't think hoofball is the way to go - they'll be used to that week in, week out.
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We do seem to have quite a lot of footballers who don't look like very good footballers.
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What a crock of shit this is.
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At least we have a couple of subs that could do something.
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Gabby will be red carded tonight the oaf
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It doesn't help having Clark in midfield, he doesn't know what to do there. It also doesn't help having your "local derby Talisman" running around like madman trying to get sent off. I also don't think hoofball is the way to go - they'll be used to that week in, week out.
he has no idea how to get himself in position to receive a pass
Veretout and Sinclair must have gone for a cup of tea ten mins ago
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Lescott has been very dodgy too.
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Lescott is very nervous
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We do seem to have quite a lot of footballers who don't look like very good footballers.
Or if they were once, it's been Bodymored out of them.
Footballers look a lot better if their teammates move intelligently off the ball and don't stand around marking the opposition.
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Hoofing and flicking. Against Blues. At home.
Make no mistake, this is a managerial decision. And it's as bad as anything we saw from TSMs I or II.
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Lescott is very nervous
He's not the only one.
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At least we have a couple of subs that could do something.
I can only imagine that that's the plan.
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Gabby will be red carded tonight the oaf
If we still win the game i'll be alright with that.
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two very evenly matched teams here, except they look more comfortable with a football
How depressing is that statement.
Very depressing indeed
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Gestede is winning loads of aerial balls. But it's all in midfield. I don't think we've aimed a single decent cross into the box for him yet.
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We really need an upgrade on Westwood. I'm not one for jumping on a bandwagon but he has not been too good in the last couple games.
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Considering the football we played at time in the run in, QPR at home, Liverpool in the cup etc, this is terrible.
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Clark you tit.
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"Aston Villa are all over the place."
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Get Gestede and Agbonlahor off and put Sinclair up top with both Gil and Grealish either side.
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Lescott is very nervous
Not nervous just useless.
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Gabby looking poorly..maybe he has to leave early and tuck the kids in.
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Awful so far, this is all very worrying and the portents for the season ahead are not good
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Well, Clark is not a midfielder. This side is so unbalanced, what is our game plan tonight?
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Westwood is out of position. He is almost playing wide right. He should be where Clark is, and Clark should be either sitting in a 3 with 2 up front or we should have Grealish on the pitch.
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Clark you tit.
He's just not a midfielder. I've seen centre-backs much better on the ball than Clark struggle to cope with the extra pressure on the ball in the middle of the pitch. It's a daft move to play him in there.
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Get Gestede and Agbonlahor off and put Sinclair up top with both Gil and Grealish either side.
Add Sanchez in midfield and I'm with you.
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Clark in midfield is just not working
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If we are going to play Allardyce football I'd rather Allardyce was in charge. Why did we buy technical, passing players in the summer to do this?!? Feel sorry for Veretout in particular, the only player attempting to play football.
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Hoofing and flicking. Against Blues. At home.
Make no mistake, this is a managerial decision. And it's as bad as anything we saw from TSMs I or II.
I would guess the fact that they've come to play and we've decided to be all in your face and kick them all over the place is also due to Tim firing them up. But it makes us look like the lower league cloggers trying to knock the big team out of their stride.
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What's our formation and tactics ?
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Gestede has taken root.
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Awful game so far, again Midlands football looking like the stone ages.
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The starting line-up is pretty much an admission that we won't be playing much football and will be looking to grind out a battling draw.
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Hoofing and flicking. Against Blues. At home.
Make no mistake, this is a managerial decision. And it's as bad as anything we saw from TSMs I or II.
One of the commentators has just said
"It's like the Paul Lambert depression has fallen on Villa again."
Unfortunately he's right.
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Jack telling me about Bayern Munich rather than Villa. Cheers Jack.
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What's our formation and tactics ?
When someone works this out they can inform the rest of us.
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the ease that Lescott was turned there, fucking hell
Sanchez for Lescott asap please - move Clark back, Veretout right, Gabby left, Sinclair up top
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Clark's got all the awareness of where he's supposed to be and what he's supposed to be doing of a three year old at a board meeting.
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what was that from clark
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Get Clark off at half time.
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Come on Villa
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Clark in midfield then
Let's put that one to bed
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We sound all over the shop :(
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What's our formation and tactics ?
When someone works this out they can inform the rest of us.
4-3-3 with Clark in midfield in the 'give it away' position, hoof it to Gestede so he can flick it on to their centre backs.
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Anyone think Clark is a midfielder
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What's our formation and tactics ?
When someone works this out they can inform the rest of us.
We are totally regressing under sherwood
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We sound all over the shop :(
And the shop in question is Toys 'R' Us.
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I fear for us this season. I really do. This is shocking.
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Why the fuck is Clark making that tackle.
We are being saved by them being as bad as us. And fuck we are bad.
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What's our formation and tactics ?
Nobody cares about the first because no one knows about the second.
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We sound all over the shop :(
And the shop in question is Toys 'R' Us.
Very good.
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Clark has been an absolute nightmare.
Westwood wouldn't get in the Bloose team.
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Dire. Clark had an obvious pass to Bacuna in space then, but passed it back to Richards instead.
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What's our formation and tactics ?
When someone works this out they can inform the rest of us.
We are totally regressing under sherwood
Regressing to what? We had a little spurt and are back to depressingly shit.
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Sherwood just told Veretout and Westwood to drive on leaving Clark to cover god help us
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Terrible performance...Clark needs to be taken off or he'll be sent off.
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Anyone think Clark is a midfielder
Anyone think Gestede is a professional footballer?
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Why the fuck go out and purchase all these young exciting footballers to revert to long ball and flick ons?
This is bloody ridiculous. Come on Tim what's wrong with you?
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We sound all over the shop :(
We would be if we could find the shop.
We're still trying to work out how to get into the car park.
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we should finish above sunderland thou
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Dire. Clark had an obvious pass to Bacuna in space then, but passed it back to Richards instead.
He could have been aiming for Bacuna.
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Tony Morley is right fucking angry right now. Wants to hook clark & gabby.
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This is like bad pub football
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Early days I know but Gestede is fucking useless.
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Clark redeemed?
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Where was the fucking support for Amavi there? He was just left stranded while the midfield sauntered aimlessly around.
Well done Clark, just about. First midfieldery thing he's actually done.
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Well this is another big bag of abysmal.
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Clark and Gabby should be both hooked at half time. Both on a booking, don't give the ref the fucking chance second half.
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Why the fuck go out and purchase all these young exciting footballers to revert to long ball and flick ons?
This is bloody ridiculous. Come on Tim what's wrong with you?
Begins with C and ends with hancer.
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Be nice to score from this. Bacuna screamer?
edit: no.
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Any positives. Bacuna done ok and Amavi.
Maybe not the former
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Gestede may as well not be on the pitch.
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Be nice to score from this. Bacuna howler?
Fixed for you.
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They've all been crap but Bacuna has to take the prize, truly dreadful.
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Clark and Gabby should be both hooked at half time. Both on a booking, don't give the ref the fucking chance second half.
There's also the more important point that they've been utterly wank.
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Embarrassing dark ages football, what is there left to say when we serve up this utter nonsense and shit every single bloody week
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Id swap managers
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As FS Trueman would say: what's going on out there?
They've shown us up with their behaviour (no thuggery) and by keeping the ball on the deck while we've hoofed it.
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That was completely unacceptable. Gabby spoiling for a red, Clarke abysmal and Bacuna brain dead. Gestede? He makes Micky Quinn look mobile. Lescott is yet to leave the dressing room and Westwood auditioning to be our new hollywood Bannan. Miserable and utterly unacceptable.
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Gestede has really poor ball control, I mean really poor. Gabby poor again, we look so toothless, its like tbe football under the last two managers.
Westwood poor again. He wins nothing and creates nothing.
Veretout looks ok
I am sure Tactical Tims substitutions will win us the game ;-)
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Clark in midfield is proving to be another tactical masterstroke
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Hoof ball. Only time we play it on the deck is backwards. Awful awful stuff.
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Dire
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Utterly, utterly atrocious.
I hate to say it but the Rags look like a football team, we look like a bunch of hoofers.
And not very good ones.
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FUCKING GARBAGE
IN CAPITALS
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Artless shite. We really have got nothing to offer. Credit to Small Heath who have left the niggle behind and have come to play football. They have a limited bunch of players but look the better team by a distance.
I have been trying to work out for a couple of weeks who Gestede reminds me of. Greg Fellows.
I am amazed at how quickly we have descended into a rabble. That first 45 at Leicester seems a long way away.
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Utter pants. No desire or spark, and the players look like they have no idea what their jobs are. Noses singing that's why were going down. On this evidence, they may be right.
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Thst effort on gestede to bring ball down and failing by literally kneeling it out of play sums him up I think.
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As FS Trueman would say: what's going on out there?
They've shown us up with their behaviour (no thuggery) and by keeping the ball on the deck while we've hoofed it.
Absolutely. We look like the underdog from a division below playing away from home.
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Diabolical, so far. I really hope this was our 'bad' half. If not, we're buggered.
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Clark in midfield is proving to be another tactical masterstroke
It didnt work under Houlier, it doesnt work now
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Never heard Tony Morley that angry before. Shouting "Get it in the damn box!" and while Jack was doing the half time wrap you could clearly hear Morley in the background saying "bloody terrible" as he took his mic off.
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That was completely unacceptable. Gabby spoiling for a red, Clarke abysmal and Bacuna brain dead. Gestede? He makes Micky Quinn look mobile. Lescott is yet to leave the dressing room and Westwood auditioning to be our new hollywood Bannan. Miserable and utterly unacceptable.
Spot on Alex.
Get Gabby and Clark off, and Sanchez and Grealish on.
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Can we swap managers at HT?
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Even though he is a cock jockey these days, Yorke came out with something spot on when he said why is Clark on and protecting the back four at home against a championship team?
He better change things around this half or he is heading in the direction of Lambert.
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Some how, some way, putting Clark in front of the two centerbacks makes our defense dumber. I really don't mean to sound harsh, but the decision making and complete void of talent is almost unbelievable.
We are supposed to be a Premier League club.
Something has got to change. It's truly shameful.
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Get Jack on
Pity the neutrals watching this
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Yes it is a local derby, but we really look like a Championship side. Awful.....just hoof.
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Fuck me were shit and better sort it out quickly, my wife has commented how red and flustered I look, blood pressure rising by the minute, cmon Villa sort it out.
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Well that was painful. We are an atrocious football tea. Gabby, Lescott, Gestede...where do you stop so much dross.
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They've all been crap but Bacuna has to take the prize, truly dreadful.
Just a terrible player.
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Yes it is a local derby, but we really look like a Championship side. Awful.....just hoof.
Conference.
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Grealish and Sanchez for Clark and Gabby.
Drop Westwood to anchor where he is much more comfortable with Sanchez. Veretout in front, Grealish free to go either side of Sinclair and Gestede.
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Clark in midfield is proving to be another
Someone on here suggested that after the Albion game.Now I really am worried if tactics is taking tips from H&V posts.in game.Now I really am worried if tactics is taking tips from H&V posts.
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It's very simple, we are being out-passed and out-possessed.
We need to bring Grealish and Gil on - people who can do stuff with the ball at their feet. Get the lump up front off.
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They've all been crap but Bacuna has to take the prize, truly dreadful.
Just a terrible player.
Equals contract extension
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Interesting, Blues out on the pitch pretty early.
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They've all been crap but Bacuna has to take the prize, truly dreadful.
Think he has been our best player to be honest
We are an utter rabble out there
big halftime for Sherwood
Blues for all their limitations have at least a defined style of play where the players know what they are supposed to do
our guys seem as if they were told they were playing 5 mins before kick off
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Grealish and.....Ayew coming on.
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Even if we manage to win this, his tactics and this performance have been terrible. Just hope he knows what to do at HT.
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That was completely unacceptable. Gabby spoiling for a red, Clarke abysmal and Bacuna brain dead. Gestede? He makes Micky Quinn look mobile. Lescott is yet to leave the dressing room and Westwood auditioning to be our new hollywood Bannan. Miserable and utterly unacceptable.
Spot on Alex.
Get Gabby and Clark off, and Sanchez and Grealish on.
Agree with both of you. Sums it up very accurately. And I would like Gabby and Clark off as well.
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Christ almighty we are fucking terrible.
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Lescott and Gabby off! "Local boys" no good tonight.
You've got to think if Gabby can't even do anything in derbies now he's finished here surely.
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Diabolical, so far. I really hope this was our 'bad' half. If not, we're buggered.
someone else said this on facebook ;)
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Gabby off for Ayew - is Grealish on for Clark?
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jack and ayew
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Gestede can trap it further than I can kick it.
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clarrk at back
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Grealish and Ayew!
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Lescott and Gabby for Ayew and Grealish.
Not sure where to start with that.
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Diabolical, so far. I really hope this was our 'bad' half. If not, we're buggered.
someone else said this on facebook ;)
Tim Sherwood?
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I have no Idea as to what our forward plan is.
I guess that most of the team share my lack of idea.
Sherwoods appointment took me by surprise, but give him a chance.
He is quickly looking like another bottom of the barrel no clue scrapping.
It is that bad that I can not even raise a level of vemon against the Noses, we are crap they are crap God knowswhere it will end.
I can not see this team scoring a goal.
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The only thing to make me smile first half, the rags singing 'your grounds a library'.
How the fuck would they know.?
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The final insult after the "Paul Lambert depression" quip at the half time whistle was "well Villa have dragged Birmingham down to their level."
Fucking disgraceful.
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Oh Jesus, he's emptied the midfield again! Hold onto your hats, folks.
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I put some money on for Ayew to score. Why not, eh?
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Seems fair enough, sub two booked players.
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They've all been crap but Bacuna has to take the prize, truly dreadful.
Just a terrible player.
Hutton plays better on a consistent basis, which is saying something.
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4-4-1-1 - Grealish behind Gestede it seems
Ayew getting his bearing so far
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Oh Jesus, he's emptied the midfield again! Hold onto your hats, folks.
It belies belief.
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Oh Jesus, he's emptied the midfield again! Hold onto your hats, folks.
Too soon for TSM III?
(That Sherwood Muppet)
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This is dire. Extra-time then penalties?
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They've all been crap but Bacuna has to take the prize, truly dreadful.
Just a terrible player.
Hutton plays better on a consistent basis, which is saying something.
It's not really, he is our best right-back.
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Here go!
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Gestede can trap it further than I can kick it.
;D
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ayew doing something
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Well that was Ayew looking like a footballer.
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Nice run from Ayew
Gestede can't control a ball
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Undeniably better after the subs imho.
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Well that was Ayew looking like a footballer.
Alongside Gestede you'd look like a footballer.
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Oh Jesus, he's emptied the midfield again! Hold onto your hats, folks.
Too soon for TSM III?
(That Sherwood Muppet)
Hope not, but stored for future use.
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thats a cchance
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defelection
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This is better. The ball's been on the deck longer in this half than the first and they've only been playing 6 minutes.
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It is worth pointing out that Sherwood has finally given Gabby the hook-off he deserves. This is progress.
Jesus that was a good ball by Jack.
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Well that was Ayew looking like a footballer.
Alongside Gestede you'd look like a footballer.
Cheeky. I'm not that bad!
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Westwood floaty corners coming to nowt. I'm shocked I am.
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bacuna has been poor
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Get Westwood off corners FFS. Absolute wank every single time.
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Big improvement on the previous load of b*ll*cks.
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Got a funny feeling Ayew might break the duck today, dunno why?
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Get Westwood off corners FFS. Absolute wank every single time.
You've got to think Veretout could whip in a decent ball. Even Bacuna.
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I imagine that thing Westwood does when he raises both arms before he takes a corner means "no, I haven't got a fucking clue where it's going either".
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This is a bit better. Shame about the header.
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Good changes these.
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Got a funny feeling Ayew might break the duck today, dunno why?
He is doing football things.
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Hey! I remember this! This is how we played when Sherwood first arrived!
Keep this the fuck up please, Villa!
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It is worth pointing out that Sherwood has finally given Gabby the hook-off he deserves. This is progress.
Jesus that was a good ball by Jack.
good point the injury might save TS
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well, this is better
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Get Westwood off corners FFS. Absolute wank every single time.
You've got to think Veretout could whip in a decent ball. Even Bacuna.
Marc Bolan was better at taking corners than Westwood.
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Oh Jesus, he's emptied the midfield again! Hold onto your hats, folks.
Too soon for TSM III?
(That Sherwood Muppet)
Hope not, but stored for future use.
Well it's either going to be a masterstroke or a disaster.
To be fair it's looking better so far.
[/crosses fingers that that's not a case of famous last words]
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fook rudy is looking terrible
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No apologies this time, Gestede is fucking useless.
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Good subs, a balanced team and players who look half decent. That's more like it Tim.
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FFS BACUNA YOU EVEN DO STUPID LITTLE THINGS WRONG LIKE SLIDING IN TOO EARLY
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ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!
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Grealish has made such a difference. He's brilliant, especially in light of those around him
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Ayew is looking pretty lively!
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greasily has made such a difference. He's brilliant, especially in light of those around him
Awesome autocorrect!
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FFS BACUNA YOU EVEN DO STUPID LITTLE THINGS WRONG LIKE SLIDING IN TOO EARLY
Better than pulling out too late😱
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Surely one of these chances will come our way. Too much to ask to see us put them to the sword?
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I can't believe how little confidence our players, Jack apart, have with the ball.
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FFS BACUNA YOU EVEN DO STUPID LITTLE THINGS WRONG LIKE SLIDING IN TOO EARLY
Better than pulling out too late😱
Isn't that Gabby's forte?
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Oi oi! Ayew has a bit of bite about him, too - good lad.
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Ruuuuuudyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
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OK not that shit.
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Get in there!!! Feed him the right food, and he will score.
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Shit that Gestede....
Wahoooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!
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as he scores
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ruuuuuudy!
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Criminal not to start with Grealish......
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What a fucking goal!
Love that Gestede!
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Get the fuck in.
Great cross, great header. Not rocket science with this boy, get it wide, get it in, he will eat it.
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Yessss villa
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Ayew is looking pretty lively!
yep, bit of bite about him too, badly needed
great header from Gestede, been brutal so far but made the finish look easy
another assist for Amavi
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YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, he's largely been complete arse, but he can definitely head the ball in the goal. We've deserved that. Much, much improved.
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Rudy! Rudy! Rudyehhhh!
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That'll do Rudy
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Finally.
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Criminal not to start with Grealish......
Absolutely, he's making us tick.
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Get in!!!
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Good lad Rudy.
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That's it! That's the way you play to Gestede's strengths! Crosse from deep aren't any use to him, but whipped in from the sideline and he will smack 'em in all night long!
Excellent!
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Can we get Sanchez on for Sinclair now please?
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Criminal not to start with Grealish......
Absolutely, he's making us tick.
We absolutely need to appreciate that we have a really special talent there. This is not your average alright/let's-hope-he's-good youth product, this is the real thing.
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See, we didn't get any crosses in during the entire first half. Now Amavi produces a pearler, and Gestede actually does something useful!!!
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Finish them off now, stuff a couple more in and put these scumbags away for another five years.
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Criminal not to start with Grealish......
Absolutely, he's making us tick.
We absolutely need to appreciate that we have a really special talent there. This is not your average alright/let's-hope-he's-good youth product, this is the real thing.
You have to have people who are comfortable on the ball. We were getting out-played and out-possessed by that shower, which says it all.
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Criminal not to start with Grealish......
Absolutely, he's making us tick.
We absolutely need to appreciate that we have a really special talent there. This is not your average alright/let's-hope-he's-good youth product, this is the real thing.
Totally agree.
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he looked brilliant against Liverpool last year , but hes control has been terrible tonight .
But looks like a good cross and hes your man.
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Criminal not to start with Grealish......
Absolutely, he's making us tick.
We absolutely need to appreciate that we have a really special talent there. This is not your average alright/let's-hope-he's-good youth product, this is the real thing.
Indeed, he's head and shoulders above the rest in being comfortable with the ball. Just hope we can develop a team around so he sticks around for many a season.
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2 handed push and no free kick. 2 of ours in the book and free kicks for way less to them. Cock this ref.
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Was a beautiful cross and header.
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And that was a corner.
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That was a penalty to us there
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That was a penalty to us there
Savage agrees
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That was a penalty to us there
Definitely. Poor refereeing.
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lambert has taken over bloose now
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much better corner from Westwood
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Westwood taking a decent corner too. I'm off for a lie down.
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Westwood seriously can't be the best corner taker we have?
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Please can we get the extra man in midfield now!
Sinclair has done nothing, Sanchez!
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They should have scored then.
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Played Guzan.
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that was their chance
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bit of a gabby finish
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Has Veretout passed to a claret and blue shirt once tonight?
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Bloody hell Villa. Bring off Sinclair or Gestede and get Sanchez on
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Please can we get the extra man in midfield now!
Sinclair has done nothing, Sanchez!
Definitely agree. That would shore us up.
Hope the Guze is okay, that looked a little sore.
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Veretout really struggling with the pace of the game
Amavi shouldnt be caught behind his centre halves there, nearly cost us the equaliser
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Ayew always looks like he's going to burst into tears
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Ayew is trying things and looking sparky. It might be worth giving him a go up front and seeing if he looks more comfortable there.
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Few mistakes from ayew like that but he's done good stuff too. Hopefully he's settling down.
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Veretout really struggling with the pace of the game
Amavi shouldnt be caught behind his centre halves there, nearly cost us the equaliser
Just gave it away again. Poor.
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Blimey, Sinclair still on, haven't heard the comms mention him once!
Such a weird player him.
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Veretout is starting to look a bit knackered, so probably time for Sanchez. He's played well tonight though, I think.
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I think we may have been a bit harsh on young Ayew, he's definitely got something
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Few mistakes from ayew like that but he's done good stuff too. Hopefully he's settling down.
Done well since he's come on.
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Unlucky Sinclair
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Re Ayew, in our defence, before this match he looked like he'd barely played the sport before. This is more like what we saw in the Youtube videos, though, which is encouraging.
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Looks like he half decent Ayew when he is on it.
This ref is a donkeys shitty nutsack though.
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Grealish and Ayew are tearing them a new one.
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Looks like he half decent Ayew when he is on it.
This ref is a donkeys shitty nutsack though.
I thought he'd had a good game tbh.
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Nearly Veretout!
Please start him at Anfield.
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Excellent seeing Ayew grow in confidence here.
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Fuck me ayew is taking the piss.
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Grealish and Ayew are tearing them a new one.
Yep, really great run just then. Surely we start with him up front with Gil and Grealish and three in the middle against Liverpool?
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how we miss that
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Come on villa, finish them off.
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Ayew brings a little more to the attack than I had originally thought. Keep it up.
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thats a sitter missed by Sinclair, Ayew showing what he is about second half
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Worth pointing out just how much better we look without Gabby?
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thats a sitter missed by Sinclair, Ayew showing what he is about second half
All flair, no care. 8)
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Sanchez Tim... get him the fuck on!
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Who the hell are these double-barrelled player names SHA are bringing on, never heard of them.
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Could have done with Sanchez on about 10 mins ago, still need him on
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We are so, so lucky the Rags are utter, utter shite.
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Never learns Sherwood. Honestly completely pig headed.
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Think Ayew will explode if he scores tonight, deserves a goal.
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Ayew so unlucky there. Great play, lovely interchange with Grealish.
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Booking for the battery on Grealish ref?
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Gah, a bit more conviction with the finish and Ayew would have gotten off the mark! Great play anyway.
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Flat-faced Manc bastard. Ayew deserves a goal.
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Time-wasting in the corner. I get it, I know why, and we've accused Sherwood's Villa of being naive, but on 87 minutes? Not a fan.
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That's just really good from Grealish and Ayew. Looks a good player to me!
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Tonight pretty informative, hopefully, for Tim - grealish is the key to this season, gabby is finished, Clark is no midfielder, lescott is cover only, ayew is actually a player.
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How pathetic and small time was that corner.
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Caddis 67th foul and no card.
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We are so, so lucky the Rags are utter, utter shite.
They are but they won't be far off the play offs this season imo which shows you what a cresspit the championship is quality wise.
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Ayew has been fucking ace.
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whos this ayew
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Time-wasting in the corner. I get it, I know why, and we've accused Sherwood's Villa of being naive, but on 87 minutes? Not a fan.
I know. I wish it had started 5 minutes ago. In fact vs Leicester immediately after the second! Seriously though given recent events I can see why even if it is a tad early.
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Ayew has been fucking ace.
Much improved!
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Blues fans looking moody there. They all need a nice bronx hat off Uncle Tom to cheer them up.
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Ayew! Ayew! Ayew is on fire!
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Ayew and Jack absolutely know they've got the measure of Blues. Hopefully this will be the catalyst for great things from Jordan.
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Ayew has been fucking ace.
What a turn around! He needs to start in place of Gabby please Tim.
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And on a good run. Let's not take it away from the team this isn't an easy game.
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Ayew has been fucking ace.
He just needs a goal to unlock his confidence and ability but tonight will help. He's been rather good.
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His brother hasn't done much for a couple of games either. Cue witty 'we bought the wrong ayew' comments on Swansea forums.
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Gestede has looked miles better with Grealish, Sinclair and Ayew moving around him too.
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Ayew man of the match for me.
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Tim's subs won it :-)
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Clark has been great at centre half
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Ayew man of the match for me.
I'd say Grealish with Ayew close second
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That will be that.
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Ayew man of the match for me.
I'd say Grealish with Ayew close second
They've both been equally good to be fair.
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Tim's subs won it :-)
Fair play, credit where it's due. Up the Villa.
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"As bad as we are......"
Full time.
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Ayew man of the match for me.
I'd say Grealish with Ayew close second
It's one of those two, they've changed everything.
Also worth pointing out how much better Clark looked at centre back.
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Yessssss!! Job done.
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Grealish goes crazy at the Holte. You have to love the little fucker you really do.
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Yes!! Get in!
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Delighted! 😀
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Well done. Well deserved. Good subs.
Onwards.
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That second half was totes amazeballs.
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To say I've 'enjoyed' the second half would be stretching it a bit I think, but much, much better.
Ayew and Grealish have been great. Hopefully a confidence boost for Ayew, but it's been a while since we've had a player where the expectation when the ball is at their feet is as high as when Grealish gets it. Three men on him in the last 10 mins, which says everything about what the opposition think of him.
And after the Leicester debacle, I've got no complaints whatsoever about our boys slowing it down from 75 mins, and heading to the corners from about 85. Seeing it out professionally.
Job done!
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Come on Villa. I hope this is a platform for a decent run, TS gets selection right and confidence builds.
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What a difference in the second half. Much more like it. Ayew starting to look like a talent, Veretout making it through a full 90, Grealish pulling the strings. Let's forget the first half ever happened.
No Gabby in the starting XI on Saturday anyone?
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Get in!
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More of a team in the 2nd half - Lescott & Gabby's days could be numbered.
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Bet the Bitters & their shitty forum/ Twitter feed are upset with that result, a little bit of payback for siding with the rags
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stop your messing around
better think of the villa
time you scored us a goal
creating problems in town
RUDY a message to you rudy
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Are you sure that wasn't Andre who came on half time?
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What a difference in the second half. Much more like it. Ayew starting to look like a talent, Veretout making it through a full 90, Grealish pulling the strings. Let's forget the first half ever happened.
No Gabby in the starting XI on Saturday anyone?
Shouldnt be in the squad even if fit, same for Lescott when Okore is back
A win is a win and we should have made it a lot more comfortable considering the chances we created in the second half
Credit to Sherwood for making the changes at the break, lets not even get into the tactical clusterfuck in the first half
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Gabby should be club mascot only and never get near team selection again. He has been a big part of our mediocrity.
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Ayew and Grealish exciting, pulsating, cheeky, guileish, classy.That's mah boy (s)
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Second half:
Clark commanding at CH
Jack, being Jack. Great quality. Glides past his man. Just needs to do it more in the danger areas
Ayew. Quality. Liked his skill and wanting the ball. He does everything Gabby doesnt
Veretout. Looked decent
Would have taken that before the game
UTV
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Well good second half and a well deserved win. Ayew was real eye opener...now we saw what he is capable of. Good decision on subs as he took off the two most useless players and on came the two who changed the game. Clark not a midfielder but much better than Lescott at CB. Also impressed with Veretout when he made some runs but poor passing let him down.
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A massive relief, and there were a lot of positives to take from the second half. You could see Ayew's confidence growing each time he got on the ball. Veretout, although not a major influence, got a full game under his belt, Gabby got injured and is hopefully out of contention for the foreseeable (As Monty posted, we looked such a better team without him).
The negatives? Tim's tactics - hoofball in the first half (though give him his due, he did ditch it, proving that he may not be quite as pig headed as I thought), and the emptying of midfield again, a better team surely would have dominated Westwood and Veretout, plus the usual defensive frailties of Bacuna and Amavi...
But let's not dwell on those too much tonight anyway. Hopefully this is a step forward, Gana will get fit, we'll play three in the middle of the park, a front line consisting of Gil, Grealish, Ayew, or Traore, when fit, would be pretty tasty.
And most importantly we beat the blue nose bastards.