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Heroes & Villains => Villa Memories => Topic started by: Dr Butler on September 17, 2015, 01:39:34 PM
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spotted this on youtube, some great pictures of some great Villa players from around the time I got "seriously" involved with all things Claret and Blue...I was 7 years old :)
UTV
The Doc
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That's the best thing I've seen for a very long time. I was 7 in 1969 and that's about when Villa started the road back to the top. I wonder when we will start back on that road again ? ::)
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That was my era but there were still one or two players I struggle to name.
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I was 15 and going to every game, home and away...courtesy of a bloody big paper round and a sympathetic Mum who thought "at least you're not wasting your money on rubbish".
A few of the youngsters I don't recognise but the vast majority are wonderfully familiar faces.
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Some splendid haircuts there, my favourite being Pat McMahon at 1:40.
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I started going to the Villa regularly around that time but I'm ashamed to say I don't remember half of those faces.
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Some splendid haircuts there, my favourite being Pat McMahon at 1:40.
It got better when he reappeared at 2.25
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Sir Brian looks very young.
Anyone know the music. apart from the initial bag pipes that sounded good
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I saw this on You Tube recently, Brian Little himself posted it on Facebook recently!
This was my favourite time supporting Villa, travelling on the no.11 outer circle from Billesley, as a twelve year old, happy days.
I think I've got all of the players and officials, some were youngsters and several appeared two or three times, here goes, I think they are all right but someone can correct me:
In order of appearance:
B.Little, Knowles, Team pic, Team pic, Doc, Leggat (coach), Cox (trainer), Griffiths, Rowan, Turnbull, Frank Upton, Leo Crowther, Gibson, Graydon, Sheasby (I think), Melling, Chatterley, Lochead, Chatterley 2, Crowe, Tiler, Gregory, McMahon, Alun Evans, Curtis, Hamilton, Deakin, Little 2, Stark, Chatterley 3, McMahon 2, Doc, Cox, Rudge, Dunn, Wright, Ferguson, Anderson, Fred Pedley (physio), NRioch, Pedley twice, BRioch, BRioch colour, Doc (exit)......phew!
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I've only looked at that once but, I think there's a lad on there by the name of Brian Rowan. Played in defence, centre half/full back?
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I've only looked at that once but, I think there's a lad on there by the name of Brian Rowan. Played in defence, centre half/full back?
Yes Dave Brian Rowan was a Scottish left back, tipped to be the new Charlie Aitken at the time. He played in a hevy defeat 3-0 I think at Watford and nothing was ever seen of him again.
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I've only looked at that once but, I think there's a lad on there by the name of Brian Rowan. Played in defence, centre half/full back?
Yes Dave Brian Rowan was a Scottish left back, tipped to be the new Charlie Aitken at the time. He played in a hevy defeat 3-0 I think at Watford and nothing was ever seen of him again.
Absolutely scandalous defeat at Watford. One of the very worst Villa performances I have ever seen. Brian Tiler somehow managed to head through his own goal from the edge of the box. It was the day the previous seasons amazing Tommy Doc euphoria was well and truly killed off - he was gone a couple of months later.
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I've only looked at that once but, I think there's a lad on there by the name of Brian Rowan. Played in defence, centre half/full back?
Yes Dave Brian Rowan was a Scottish left back, tipped to be the new Charlie Aitken at the time. He played in a hevy defeat 3-0 I think at Watford and nothing was ever seen of him again.
Absolutely scandalous defeat at Watford. One of the very worst Villa performances I have ever seen. Brian Tiler somehow managed to head through his own goal from the edge of the box. It was the day the previous seasons amazing Tommy Doc euphoria was well and truly killed off - he was gone a couple of months later.
Yes mate it was the day that Doc lost the plot, played Tiler in midfield I recall and was starting to bring back players he had bombed out such as Hole, Edwards, Chatterley, Rudge and Godfrey in a last resort to turn the tide as we were rooted to the foot of the second division. About this time he signed John Phillips from Shrewsbury and Emment Kapengwe and Freddie Mwila from the NASL, and George Curtis to try and instill some much-needed grit, but constantly chopping and changing the team to no avail led to the final straw which was the 5-3 home defeat by Portsmouth
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I've only looked at that once but, I think there's a lad on there by the name of Brian Rowan. Played in defence, centre half/full back?
Yes Dave Brian Rowan was a Scottish left back, tipped to be the new Charlie Aitken at the time. He played in a hevy defeat 3-0 I think at Watford and nothing was ever seen of him again.
Absolutely scandalous defeat at Watford. One of the very worst Villa performances I have ever seen. Brian Tiler somehow managed to head through his own goal from the edge of the box. It was the day the previous seasons amazing Tommy Doc euphoria was well and truly killed off - he was gone a couple of months later.
Yes mate it was the day that Doc lost the plot, played Tiler in midfield I recall and was starting to bring back players he had bombed out such as Hole, Edwards, Chatterley, Rudge and Godfrey in a last resort to turn the tide as we were rooted to the foot of the second division. About this time he signed John Phillips from Shrewsbury and Emment Kapengwe and Freddie Mwila from the NASL, and George Curtis to try and instill some much-needed grit, but constantly chopping and changing the team to no avail led to the final straw which was the 5-3 home defeat by Portsmouth
I remember the 3-5 against Portsmouth mainly for the fact there a some older, burly Pompey fans at the front of the Holte and there was a charge down from the back to have a go at the "fucking sailors" when the game began to go pear-shaped.
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I've only looked at that once but, I think there's a lad on there by the name of Brian Rowan. Played in defence, centre half/full back?
Yes Dave Brian Rowan was a Scottish left back, tipped to be the new Charlie Aitken at the time. He played in a hevy defeat 3-0 I think at Watford and nothing was ever seen of him again.
Absolutely scandalous defeat at Watford. One of the very worst Villa performances I have ever seen. Brian Tiler somehow managed to head through his own goal from the edge of the box. It was the day the previous seasons amazing Tommy Doc euphoria was well and truly killed off - he was gone a couple of months later.
Yes mate it was the day that Doc lost the plot, played Tiler in midfield I recall and was starting to bring back players he had bombed out such as Hole, Edwards, Chatterley, Rudge and Godfrey in a last resort to turn the tide as we were rooted to the foot of the second division. About this time he signed John Phillips from Shrewsbury and Emment Kapengwe and Freddie Mwila from the NASL, and George Curtis to try and instill some much-needed grit, but constantly chopping and changing the team to no avail led to the final straw which was the 5-3 home defeat by Portsmouth
I remember the 3-5 against Portsmouth mainly for the fact there a some older, burly Pompey fans at the front of the Holte and there was a charge down from the back to have a go at the "fucking sailors" when the game began to go pear-shaped.
Yes mate the Doc well and truly lost the plot that day too, dropping Charlie Aitken for Barry Lynch, and bringing in Jimmy Brown, I remember it was 2-2 at half time but the second half was a disaster, he replaced Lynch with Lionel Martin as we attacked the Holte End but two fairly late goals by Pompey did us and the crowd had enough.
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The Doc didn't seem to like Charlie Aitken very much (as a player,) as I recall to our total amazement he left him out in a mid-week match against Bolton which we lost 2-1. It was Jimmy Brown's debut. Charlie was sat in the stand a couple of rows behind me. A group of us waited outside after the game and the Doc came out and we questioned him re Charlie not playing. He said he was injured which was utter bollocks because a) Charlie said that he was fully fit, and b) if the Doc knew anything at all about Charlie he would have known that the fucker was the fittest player at the club and rarely, if ever got injured. It was then that I realised that this was all going to end in tears.
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15 years old Jimmy Brown. Introduced by The Doc to us as the future captain of Scotland. No pressure son.
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Found this. Extracts from Tommy Doc. Chapter 10 Villain of the Piece.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=J5dVTfElhdIC&pg=PT147&lpg=PT147&dq=tommy+docherty+villain+of+the+piece&source=bl&ots=gy-Hm3zRv0&sig=mKHLyScWWn4L7ayaBReBG806Fxg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAGoVChMIkpvO-96eyAIVxtEUCh2IOQ1p#v=onepage&q=tommy%20docherty%20villain%20of%20the%20piece&f=false
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Good read ALITA. Thanks for posting, some memories there.
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I've only looked at that once but, I think there's a lad on there by the name of Brian Rowan. Played in defence, centre half/full back?
Yes Dave Brian Rowan was a Scottish left back, tipped to be the new Charlie Aitken at the time. He played in a hevy defeat 3-0 I think at Watford and nothing was ever seen of him
Absolutely scandalous defeat at Watford. One of the very worst Villa performances I have ever seen. Brian Tiler somehow managed to head through his own goal from the edge of the box. It was the day the previous seasons amazing Tommy Doc euphoria was well and truly killed off - he was gone a couple of months later.
Sounds like Sherwood's reign
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The Doc didn't seem to like Charlie Aitken very much (as a player,) as I recall to our total amazement he left him out in a mid-week match against Bolton which we lost 2-1. It was Jimmy Brown's debut. Charlie was sat in the stand a couple of rows behind me. A group of us waited outside after the game and the Doc came out and we questioned him re Charlie not playing. He said he was injured which was utter bollocks because a) Charlie said that he was fully fit, and b) if the Doc knew anything at all about Charlie he would have known that the fucker was the fittest player at the club and rarely, if ever got injured. It was then that I realised that this was all going to end in tears.
Amazing when you see what Charlie went on to achieve. Football unlike other organisations is all about personalities rather than ability at times. It's why players like Gabby don't get dropped and other players don't get a look in.
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Very interesting read that about the Doc ALITA.
Signing young untried players, praising players to the hilt (the new George Best, the new Scottish captain, the new Bobby Moore, etc.) and knowing in reality we're in for a struggle when publicly saying we're on the up.
Remind you of anyone?
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Found this. Extracts from Tommy Doc. Chapter 10 Villain of the Piece.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=J5dVTfElhdIC&pg=PT147&lpg=PT147&dq=tommy+docherty+villain+of+the+piece&source=bl&ots=gy-Hm3zRv0&sig=mKHLyScWWn4L7ayaBReBG806Fxg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAGoVChMIkpvO-96eyAIVxtEUCh2IOQ1p#v=onepage&q=tommy%20docherty%20villain%20of%20the%20piece&f=false
Interesting.
Bomb squads were popular back then. ;D
My first Villa Manager.
Mike Ferguson = The new George Best ? ::)
Godfrey, Hole, Broadbent and Martin. My first Villa goal scorers !! Yay !! ;D
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Mike Ferguson had a stormer for Blackburn against Villa the season before he signed, he literally ran rings round us!
The new George Best indeed.
He never discovered that form with Villa although he went on to do well for QPR later.
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Beating Small Heath two nil at the temple of doom, Bruce Rioch's goal. The only away game that we won all year. getting pissed in the Wrexham after the match aged 15.
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I've only looked at that once but, I think there's a lad on there by the name of Brian Rowan. Played in defence, centre half/full back?
Yes Dave Brian Rowan was a Scottish left back, tipped to be the new Charlie Aitken at the time. He played in a hevy defeat 3-0 I think at Watford and nothing was ever seen of him again.
Absolutely scandalous defeat at Watford. One of the very worst Villa performances I have ever seen. Brian Tiler somehow managed to head through his own goal from the edge of the box. It was the day the previous seasons amazing Tommy Doc euphoria was well and truly killed off - he was gone a couple of months later.
Yes mate it was the day that Doc lost the plot, played Tiler in midfield I recall and was starting to bring back players he had bombed out such as Hole, Edwards, Chatterley, Rudge and Godfrey in a last resort to turn the tide as we were rooted to the foot of the second division. About this time he signed John Phillips from Shrewsbury and Emment Kapengwe and Freddie Mwila from the NASL, and George Curtis to try and instill some much-needed grit, but constantly chopping and changing the team to no avail led to the final straw which was the 5-3 home defeat by Portsmouth
I remember the 3-5 against Portsmouth mainly for the fact there a some older, burly Pompey fans at the front of the Holte and there was a charge down from the back to have a go at the "fucking sailors" when the game began to go pear-shaped.
Yes mate the Doc well and truly lost the plot that day too, dropping Charlie Aitken for Barry Lynch, and bringing in Jimmy Brown, I remember it was 2-2 at half time but the second half was a disaster, he replaced Lynch with Lionel Martin as we attacked the Holte End but two fairly late goals by Pompey did us and the crowd had enough.
Which reminds me of a 62 bus journey around this time. I asked my mate rather loudly how Villa reserves had got on that day. A lad sitting in front of me turned around and said "they won".
"How do you know" I said. "I was playing" he replied.
It was Barry Lynch. Different days.
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Saw Barry Lynch last year, he attended with some other players from different eras at a book launch, he looked well.
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Has anyone checked out :- Alamy photos 1967-68-69 OR the great Oscar Arce, Alamy photos.
I never knew what he looked like until I found these 3 weeks ago.
And didn't their shirts look worn and tatty?
Cost cutting at it's worst!
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Correction ! Alamy photos Aston Villa 1967-8-9.
I well remember at junior school in 1968, I think, when one of the other boys brought in the Villa team photo which was subsequently
pulped - due to the fact that one of the players, front row middle, who had forgotten to wear his underpants and had his ''budgie'' on
display! Who was the culprit?!
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Fantasy football. I offer the following team 69/70 to dish out a 4-1 beating of the current 2015 side:-
Evan Williams
Wright Tiler Turnbull Aitken
Godfrey Rioch Chico
Simmonds Lochhead Anderson
ANY THOUGHTS ?
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Correction ! Alamy photos Aston Villa 1967-8-9.
I well remember at junior school in 1968, I think, when one of the other boys brought in the Villa team photo which was subsequently
pulped - due to the fact that one of the players, front row middle, who had forgotten to wear his underpants and had his ''budgie'' on
display! Who was the culprit?!
I don't remember that, but I do remember a famous Millwall team photo from the time which had Eamonn Dunphy (the Irish TV pundit now) in the centre of the photo with his todger hanging out of his shorts. From memory I think he dressed to the left. Someone must have it somewhere!
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Correction ! Alamy photos Aston Villa 1967-8-9.
I well remember at junior school in 1968, I think, when one of the other boys brought in the Villa team photo which was subsequently
pulped - due to the fact that one of the players, front row middle, who had forgotten to wear his underpants and had his ''budgie'' on
display! Who was the culprit?!
I don't remember that, but I do remember a famous Millwall team photo from the time which had Eamonn Dunphy (the Irish TV pundit now) in the centre of the photo with his todger hanging out of his shorts. From memory I think he dressed to the left. Someone must have it somewhere!
I remember that. Circa 1967/68 in The Football League Review. The same photo then appeared later in the season with the todger gone. The Football League probably contacted the publishers of top shelf magazines of the time to get their airbrush guy on the case.
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For todger watchers everywhere I have found it!
Go and look at the Villa v Milwall programme for the FA Cup tie at Villa Park27th Jan 1968, not the FLR.
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And does the todger have a name?
And Oscar, just how did your namesake Mr. Arce con/bum his way into our great club?
And roughly when?
Any reason why he left?
Thanks.
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Oscar Arce was basically a very good ball juggler. Around about 1968 and I remember the Sports Argus ran a full two page photo spread of the new Argentinian wizard. About a dozen pictures of him, Oscar balancing the ball on his head, Oscar bouncing the ball off his shoulder, Oscar bouncing the ball on his back heel, etc. In fact Oscar bouncing the ball just about everywhere apart from his todger. I had all the pictures cut out and in a scrap book for a few years. However the scrapbook was lost and I have never seen them surface on the net.
Unfortunately when it came to applying those undoubted ball juggling skills in a Central league game he was completely out of his depth.
His brother Hector Fallone was also at the club for a short time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Fullon%C3%A9
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And hector was a better player too. See the previous thread on the great one.
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Oscar A.
So just who was the offending player with his todger on show?
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Even this current lot would score a couple against Evan Williams He was terrible!
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Fantasy football. I offer the following team 69/70 to dish out a 4-1 beating of the current 2015 side:-
Evan Williams
Wright Tiler Turnbull Aitken
Godfrey Rioch Chico
Simmonds Lochhead Anderson
ANY THOUGHTS ?
Dave Simmonds was strictly limited.Scored a few goals though.
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Fantasy football. I offer the following team 69/70 to dish out a 4-1 beating of the current 2015 side:-
Evan Williams
Wright Tiler Turnbull Aitken
Godfrey Rioch Chico
Simmonds Lochhead Anderson
ANY THOUGHTS ?
Dave Simmonds was strictly limited.Scored a few goals though.
As much as he is my hero I wouldn't include the 69/70 Andy Lochhead. Never scored for us when he arrived that season. Eventually got off the mark about six games in during 70/71 against Doncaster after missing a load of chances and the crowd was start to give up on him. But once he got the first he got a second and after that the rest was history.
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Fantasy football. I offer the following team 69/70 to dish out a 4-1 beating of the current 2015 side:-
Evan Williams
Wright Tiler Turnbull Aitken
Godfrey Rioch Chico
Simmonds Lochhead Anderson
ANY THOUGHTS ?
Dave Simmonds was strictly limited.Scored a few goals though.
As much as he is my hero I wouldn't include the 69/70 Andy Lochhead. Never scored for us when he arrived that season. Eventually got off the mark about six games in during 70/71 against Doncaster after missing a load of chances and the crowd was start to give up on him. But once he got the first he got a second and after that the rest was history.
I remember his goal against Doncaster vividly. It seemed to take forever to nestle in the net, looping in a teasing trajectory. The Holte went berserk.
There was a song which went something along the lines of: Poor Old Andy Lochhead ain't flying very high; he ain't scored a goal since January, February, June or July.
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Oscar A.
So just who was the offending player with his todger on show?
Don't know mate, Eamonn Dunphy did it for Millwall though.
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Dave Simmons
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=18431.15