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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: rjp on September 03, 2015, 06:46:27 PM
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I've just read this about a banner at the Leicester game in support of refugees. Is it the brigada boys? Personally I'm glad to see some people remember what the word refugee actually means and I'm proud that our club is associated with a more caring message.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/sep/03/english-football-supporters-groups-refugees-welcome-banners (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/sep/03/english-football-supporters-groups-refugees-welcome-banners)
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It is.
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Will the banners be written on the back of Je suis Charlie ones left over from earlier in the year?
The humanitarian crisis of Syrian refugees (and the exploitation of economic migrants from across the Middle East and Africa) needs to be dealt with immediately, but banners at football grounds simply smacks of bandwagon-jumping, not least because the grounds themselves unfortunately remain repositories for significant numbers of our fellow citizens who would make those in desperate need of refuge anything but welcome.
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Will the banners be written on the back of Je suis Charlie ones left over from earlier in the year?
The humanitarian crisis of Syrian refugees (and the exploitation of economic migrants from across the Middle East and Africa) needs to be dealt with immediately, but banners at football grounds simply smacks of bandwagon-jumping, not least because the grounds themselves unfortunately remain repositories for significant numbers of our fellow citizens who would make those in desperate need of refuge anything but welcome.
This is precisely why it it important to show our solidarity...we are all lumped together with the knuckledraggers by the general public. This will show them that football fans are full of compassion as well as beer
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Will the banners be written on the back of Je suis Charlie ones left over from earlier in the year?
The humanitarian crisis of Syrian refugees (and the exploitation of economic migrants from across the Middle East and Africa) needs to be dealt with immediately, but banners at football grounds simply smacks of bandwagon-jumping, not least because the grounds themselves unfortunately remain repositories for significant numbers of our fellow citizens who would make those in desperate need of refuge anything but welcome.
This is precisely why it it important to show our solidarity...we are all lumped together with the knuckledraggers by the general public. This will show them that football fans are full of compassion as well as beer
That's my take on it too. It's nice to be associated with something other than the EDL as a football fan. That perception exists among the masses unfortunately.
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Will the banners be written on the back of Je suis Charlie ones left over from earlier in the year?
The humanitarian crisis of Syrian refugees (and the exploitation of economic migrants from across the Middle East and Africa) needs to be dealt with immediately, but banners at football grounds simply smacks of bandwagon-jumping, not least because the grounds themselves unfortunately remain repositories for significant numbers of our fellow citizens who would make those in desperate need of refuge anything but welcome.
I disagree. Seeing the banners in Germany the other week was possibly the first time I'd see mass approval for a more pro-active approach to the crisis. The politicians have successfully ignored the problem because there has been little pressure put on them to sort it out. These public, possibly bandwagon jumping (don't care if it is) measures are a positive step to forcing change.
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Will the banners be written on the back of Je suis Charlie ones left over from earlier in the year?
The humanitarian crisis of Syrian refugees (and the exploitation of economic migrants from across the Middle East and Africa) needs to be dealt with immediately, but banners at football grounds simply smacks of bandwagon-jumping, not least because the grounds themselves unfortunately remain repositories for significant numbers of our fellow citizens who would make those in desperate need of refuge anything but welcome.
I disagree. Seeing the banners in Germany the other week was possibly the first time I'd see mass approval for a more pro-active approach to the crisis. The politicians have successfully ignored the problem because there has been little pressure put on them to sort it out. These public, possibly bandwagon jumping (don't care if it is) measures are a positive step to forcing change.
Our current crop of politicians will change their tune to whatever they perceive is the public mood of the day. UKIP shout far too loud in this debate for my liking.
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Will the banners be written on the back of Je suis Charlie ones left over from earlier in the year?
The humanitarian crisis of Syrian refugees (and the exploitation of economic migrants from across the Middle East and Africa) needs to be dealt with immediately, but banners at football grounds simply smacks of bandwagon-jumping, not least because the grounds themselves unfortunately remain repositories for significant numbers of our fellow citizens who would make those in desperate need of refuge anything but welcome.
I disagree. Seeing the banners in Germany the other week was possibly the first time I'd see mass approval for a more pro-active approach to the crisis. The politicians have successfully ignored the problem because there has been little pressure put on them to sort it out. These public, possibly bandwagon jumping (don't care if it is) measures are a positive step to forcing change.
Our current crop of politicians will change their tune to whatever they perceive is the public mood of the day. UKIP shout far too loud in this debate for my liking.
To an extent, isn't that how to should be? Cameron may have mis-read the public opinion and assumed that UKIP's views are shared by the masses. This sort of banner is an opportunity to at least display and alternative message.
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George Ramsay and William McGregor were economic migrants.
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www.refugees-welcome.net
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www.refugees-welcome.net
That, Andy, is the kind of proactive campaign that I am all in favour of. Unfortunately though, most of those currently daubing "Refugees Welcome" on an old bed-sheet would have no intention of doing anything quite as meaningful or practical as offering up their spare room to a refugee. And that is why I feel the whole thing is right-on tokenism, and ultimately of as much limited benefit as getting 157 Likes for posting the same message on Facebook.
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Hmm I can see both sides of the argument here .
What I will say is it's easy to make a banner hold it up pre kick off and get on TV (sky will love this), zoom in, Tyler scripted comments, fade background music and cut to commercial.
How about if 50 Syrians moved into your street though ??
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I have a spare room and I've let my local council know this. I am more than willing to take in a refugee.
It has confused the hell out of the council! I think they'd rather tax me but I'm not on any benefits.
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Hmm I can see both sides of the argument here .
What I will say is it's easy to make a banner hold it up pre kick off and get on TV (sky will love this), zoom in, Tyler scripted comments, fade background music and cut to commercial.
How about if 50 Syrians moved into your street though ??
I'd go round and welcome them.
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Hmm I can see both sides of the argument here .
What I will say is it's easy to make a banner hold it up pre kick off and get on TV (sky will love this), zoom in, Tyler scripted comments, fade background music and cut to commercial.
How about if 50 Syrians moved into your street though ??
I'd go round and welcome them.
And sell them cakes and fanzines.
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How about if 50 Syrians moved into your street though ??
If they're anything like the Bulgarians, bring 'em on! ;)
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Hmm I can see both sides of the argument here .
What I will say is it's easy to make a banner hold it up pre kick off and get on TV (sky will love this), zoom in, Tyler scripted comments, fade background music and cut to commercial.
How about if 50 Syrians moved into your street though ??
I'd go round and welcome them.
And flog them the latest issue ;)
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How about if 50 Syrians moved into your street though ??
Which is a good reason why it is important to support the pro-refugee stance. The refugees are going to keep coming it is a case of trying to manage the situation as best we all can, rather than 50 people turning up on one street.
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Ding - Dong .
Door opens .
"Heroes and villains , villa fanzine , latest issue " ;D
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Ding - Dong .
Door opens .
"Heroes and villains , villa fanzine , latest issue " ;D
Yes, you've already said that and it wasn't funny then.
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Ding - Dong .
Door opens .
"Heroes and villains , villa fanzine , latest issue " ;D
And toast the sale in Syrian vodka.
Several times.
Note - I haven't googled whether Syria is teetotal or not, I'm just going for the gag, no matter how lame.
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How about if 50 Syrians moved into your street though ??
Which is a good reason why it is important to support the pro-refugee stance. The refugees are going to keep coming it is a case of trying to manage the situation as best we all can, rather than 50 people turning up on one street.
I agree but you get my point .
Quite ironically I believe the "Je Suis Charlie " banner was at Leicester away last year
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Hmm I can see both sides of the argument here .
What I will say is it's easy to make a banner hold it up pre kick off and get on TV (sky will love this), zoom in, Tyler scripted comments, fade background music and cut to commercial.
How about if 50 Syrians moved into your street though ??
I'd probably ignore them as I do with my other neighbours. Comes with living in a city.
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Ding - Dong .
Door opens .
"Heroes and villains , villa fanzine , latest issue " ;D
And toast the sale in Syrian vodka.
Several times.
Note - I haven't googled whether Syria is teetotal or not, I'm just going for the gag, no matter how lame.
It most certainly isn't. There's Syrian beer, wine and Arak, which is a near-lethal aniseed spirit. The food in Syria is also the best in the Middle East, which is just one of the reasons (along with the Syrians' general friendliness and hospitality) I hope Birmingham gets its own 'little Aleppo'.
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As long as they bring Syrian hamsters with them, they are welcome.
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Stated in off-topic but I'll say here again. The anti-Brigada posters on the H&V facebook post of that guardian link really bug me.
Shouting off about Celtic, the IRA and our veterans being more important than anyone from outside the country.
Kids are fucking drowning in the sea as families escape war zones, and people are so ignorant.
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Will the banners be written on the back of Je suis Charlie ones left over from earlier in the year?
The humanitarian crisis of Syrian refugees (and the exploitation of economic migrants from across the Middle East and Africa) needs to be dealt with immediately, but banners at football grounds simply smacks of bandwagon-jumping, not least because the grounds themselves unfortunately remain repositories for significant numbers of our fellow citizens who would make those in desperate need of refuge anything but welcome.
I don't see it like that. The appalling scenes and photographs that have been shown over the last few days seems to have taken its toll on us as human beings. We shouldn't be worrying about how many refugees there are or where they're coming come. These are clearly very desperate people and if you aren't touched by their plight then its bordering on sociopathic tendencies.
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They are people. They are suffering. Help them. End of.
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They are people. They are suffering. Help them. End of.
Exactly.
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They are people. They are suffering. Help them. End of.
Why, oh why, can't people see that? Everywhere I look at the moment I see suffering of some sort or another. I try to remain upbeat but sometimes I fall into deep despair. The image of that child will haunt me forever. At the moment I really hate this world.
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And flog them the latest issue ;)
That's a crass comment considering the seriousness of this debate.
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How about if 50 Syrians moved into your street though ??
If they're anything like the Bulgarians, bring 'em on! ;)
One of my 2 business partners is Bulgarian so I know exactly what you are getting at LouzieO
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This country had a reputation for centuries for doing the right thing.
I'd like it to come back, but the response of the political class - not just the government, NB - so far has been embarrassing. Paralysed with fear.
I don't like hyperbole, but it honestly makes me feel embarrassed to be British. I have friends in Italy and I hear their experiences with recent migrants and then I think about the stuff you hear from people here about ours, and people are living in cloud cuckoo land.
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I guess I am in the minority. I don't see why this should have anything to do with football at all.
Terrible things happen every day, from someones relative getting ill or dying, to thousands being displaced by war to environmental devastation.
To me football is an escape from that. I don't need or want football to "get involved". I just want some simple entertainment to take my mind off such things.
Shrug. Not trying to offend anybody just my perspective.
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Glad the club is proactively on the correct side of this issue. It's going to take more than some awareness at the football ground though.
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I don't see this as a political issue. This is an urgent humanitarian issue, and if some individuals at an event with a huge worldwide TV audience can help get this message across, then it's a positive course of action. These people need help now.
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I don't see this as a political issue. This is an urgent humanitarian issue, and if some individuals at an event with a huge worldwide TV audience can help get this message across, then it's a positive course of action. These people need help now.
Precisely.
It isn't political, it is about human decency.
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How about if 50 Syrians moved into your street though ??
If they're anything like the Bulgarians, bring 'em on! ;)
One of my 2 business partners is Bulgarian so I know exactly what you are getting at LouzieO
Always welcome, Pat!
I have a spare room, used by language assistants for various schools over the years.
It is at the service of the refugees whenever they arrive, and welcome.
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Proud to see Villa's name on this story.
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I don't see this as a political issue. This is an urgent humanitarian issue, and if some individuals at an event with a huge worldwide TV audience can help get this message across, then it's a positive course of action. These people need help now.
Precisely.
It isn't political, it is about human decency.
Human decency should override any political considerations given the seriousness of these people's plight, of course. That being said, the link between our own government's actions in the middle east and the numbers of refugees is one almost totally missing from press coverage, which really ought to place additional responsibility on us to help as much as we can.
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I have a spare room, used by language assistants for various schools over the years.
It is at the service of the refugees whenever they arrive, and welcome.
You are an angel Lou...world needs more people like you.
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Stated in off-topic but I'll say here again. The anti-Brigada posters on the H&V facebook post of that guardian link really bug me.
Shouting off about Celtic, the IRA and our veterans being more important than anyone from outside the country.
Kids are fucking drowning in the sea as families escape war zones, and people are so ignorant.
Anyone who links this to the IRA have an agenda that really isn't worth delving into.
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I don't see this as a political issue. This is an urgent humanitarian issue, and if some individuals at an event with a huge worldwide TV audience can help get this message across, then it's a positive course of action. These people need help now.
Precisely.
It isn't political, it is about human decency.
Human decency should override any political considerations given the seriousness of these people's plight, of course. That being said, the link between our own government's actions in the middle east and the numbers of refugees is one almost totally missing from press coverage, which really ought to place additional responsibility on us to help as much as we can.
In fairness, it's far from just our government, it is the entire western world which seems to only make things worse every time it engages with that part of the world.
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Governments are the problem not the people, if the suburb i live in was asked to support twenty families of Syrian refugees i have no doubt that they would be welcomed with open arms, replicate that across developed countries and that would go a long way to solving the problem. With the prime minister we have there is no chance of this happening. Save the children.
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Governments are the problem not the people, if the suburb i live in was asked to support twenty families of Syrian refugees i have no doubt that they would be welcomed with open arms, replicate that across developed countries and that would go a long way to solving the problem. With the prime minister we have there is no chance of this happening. Save the children.
Australia is a great example of how governments are often the problem.
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I don't see this as a political issue. This is an urgent humanitarian issue, and if some individuals at an event with a huge worldwide TV audience can help get this message across, then it's a positive course of action. These people need help now.
Precisely.
It isn't political, it is about human decency.
Human decency should override any political considerations given the seriousness of these people's plight, of course. That being said, the link between our own government's actions in the middle east and the numbers of refugees is one almost totally missing from press coverage, which really ought to place additional responsibility on us to help as much as we can.
In fairness, it's far from just our government, it is the entire western world which seems to only make things worse every time it engages with that part of the world.
You're right, it's not just us. But a lot of it is. We have a massive responsibility. Why aren't any of the papers making this point?
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This country had a reputation for centuries for doing the right thing.
I'd like it to come back, but the response of the political class - not just the government, NB - so far has been embarrassing. Paralysed with fear.
Yes, in Ireland we have marvelled for centuries at the UK's ability to do the right thing. Its actions in the period leading up to and during the Great Famine were particulalrly well guided. If only we had an enlightened political class like that nowadays I'm sure everything would be just dandy.
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Will the banners be written on the back of Je suis Charlie ones left over from earlier in the year?
The humanitarian crisis of Syrian refugees (and the exploitation of economic migrants from across the Middle East and Africa) needs to be dealt with immediately, but banners at football grounds simply smacks of bandwagon-jumping, not least because the grounds themselves unfortunately remain repositories for significant numbers of our fellow citizens who would make those in desperate need of refuge anything but welcome.
This is precisely why it it important to show our solidarity...we are all lumped together with the knuckledraggers by the general public. This will show them that football fans are full of compassion as well as beer
Wholeheartedly. Agree support must be shown and football in prem league is a global platform I like compassion and solidarity shown
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Stated in off-topic but I'll say here again. The anti-Brigada posters on the H&V facebook post of that guardian link really bug me.
Shouting off about Celtic, the IRA and our veterans being more important than anyone from outside the country.
Kids are fucking drowning in the sea as families escape war zones, and people are so ignorant.
Anyone who links this to the IRA have an agenda that really isn't worth delving into.
Linking Brigada to the IRA, not this incident.
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Stated in off-topic but I'll say here again. The anti-Brigada posters on the H&V facebook post of that guardian link really bug me.
Shouting off about Celtic, the IRA and our veterans being more important than anyone from outside the country.
Kids are fucking drowning in the sea as families escape war zones, and people are so ignorant.
Anyone who links this to the IRA have an agenda that really isn't worth delving into.
Linking Brigada to the IRA, not this incident.
That's what I mean.
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This country had a reputation for centuries for doing the right thing.
I'd like it to come back, but the response of the political class - not just the government, NB - so far has been embarrassing. Paralysed with fear.
Yes, in Ireland we have marvelled for centuries at the UK's ability to do the right thing. Its actions in the period leading up to and during the Great Famine were particulalrly well guided. If only we had an enlightened political class like that nowadays I'm sure everything would be just dandy.
That'd be a fair point if i had claimed that the UK had a faultless history.
Unfortunately, I didn't, so it's not hugely relevant. The fact of the matter is we used to be relied upon to put ourselves on the right side of things. Currently, we're not, we're being insular and pretending things aren't happening.
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I don't see this as a political issue. This is an urgent humanitarian issue, and if some individuals at an event with a huge worldwide TV audience can help get this message across, then it's a positive course of action. These people need help now.
Precisely.
It isn't political, it is about human decency.
Human decency should override any political considerations given the seriousness of these people's plight, of course. That being said, the link between our own government's actions in the middle east and the numbers of refugees is one almost totally missing from press coverage, which really ought to place additional responsibility on us to help as much as we can.
In fairness, it's far from just our government, it is the entire western world which seems to only make things worse every time it engages with that part of the world.
You're right, it's not just us. But a lot of it is. We have a massive responsibility. Why aren't any of the papers making this point?
Because they're too busy (the tabloids) appealing to the lowest, most base instinct.
Like The Sun, which thinks it is ok to publish articles from Katie Hopkins saying how she'd like to machine gun immigrants and doesn't give a shit about them drowning.
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Katie Hopkins and The Scum. Those two pieces of shit were made for each other.
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This country had a reputation for centuries for doing the right thing.
I'd like it to come back, but the response of the political class - not just the government, NB - so far has been embarrassing. Paralysed with fear.
Yes, in Ireland we have marvelled for centuries at the UK's ability to do the right thing. Its actions in the period leading up to and during the Great Famine were particulalrly well guided. If only we had an enlightened political class like that nowadays I'm sure everything would be just dandy.
That'd be a fair point if i had claimed that the UK had a faultless history.
Unfortunately, I didn't, so it's not hugely relevant. The fact of the matter is we used to be relied upon to put ourselves on the right side of things. Currently, we're not, we're being insular and pretending things aren't happening.
When there was a massive humanitarian crisis on its doorstep in the 1840s (far greater than today's with millions of deaths) the UK not only didn't do the right thing but its actions helped exacerbate the suituatuon. So to claim the UK had a reputation for centuries for doing the right thing is palpable nonsense rather than the "fact of the matter".
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Governments are the problem not the people, if the suburb i live in was asked to support twenty families of Syrian refugees i have no doubt that they would be welcomed with open arms, replicate that across developed countries and that would go a long way to solving the problem. With the prime minister we have there is no chance of this happening. Save the children.
Australia is a great example of how governments are often the problem.
Which is somewhat ironic considering that most of the population either comprises, or is descended from, economic migrants (or criminals)
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This is something that members of Brigada and fans not involved with the group have both suggested doing, it was suggested before we saw the Refugees Welcome campaign so we're not jumping on a bandwagon and we're not doing it for "likes" slaps on the back or any other form of gratitude. If you read the Heroes and Villains Facebook account you'll see that this isn't something that some of our supporters are happy with so it's not a way of making friends.
We are also fully aware that there are many people already in this country need help and I think it's a spurious conecpt that we either help one group of people or another, just because you help one section of society it doesn't stop you from helping another. I've also seen comments along the lines of "don't bring politics into football", but when thousands of people are drowning trying to flee a war then why should football fans ignore it? It's a human tragedy not an election campaign.
This isn't just a symbolic gesture, we are setting up a crowdfunding page for 2 refugee charities, one of which is based in Birmingham and we will be donating ourselves.
As others have said this campaign has made me proud to be a football fan again, so often fans are tarnished in the press, steroeyped as racists, morons, drunks, at games we're treated like criminals, hopefully this will not only help refugees but also show football fans in a light that is more representative that the crap you see in the press.
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The ordinary British people have always done the right thing. The government and ruling classes of this country have always done the wrong thing!
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I have a spare room, used by language assistants for various schools over the years.
It is at the service of the refugees whenever they arrive, and welcome.
You are an angel Lou...world needs more people like you.
Goodness no, Aftab, just a Villa fan!
You would do the same thing.
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Yes I would and we are Villa fans.
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This country had a reputation for centuries for doing the right thing.
I'd like it to come back, but the response of the political class - not just the government, NB - so far has been embarrassing. Paralysed with fear.
Yes, in Ireland we have marvelled for centuries at the UK's ability to do the right thing. Its actions in the period leading up to and during the Great Famine were particulalrly well guided. If only we had an enlightened political class like that nowadays I'm sure everything would be just dandy.
That'd be a fair point if i had claimed that the UK had a faultless history.
Unfortunately, I didn't, so it's not hugely relevant. The fact of the matter is we used to be relied upon to put ourselves on the right side of things. Currently, we're not, we're being insular and pretending things aren't happening.
When there was a massive humanitarian crisis on its doorstep in the 1840s (far greater than today's with millions of deaths) the UK not only didn't do the right thing but its actions helped exacerbate the suituatuon. So to claim the UK had a reputation for centuries for doing the right thing is palpable nonsense rather than the "fact of the matter".
Palpable nonsense because you've flagged up something from 170 years ago?
And once again, I am not suggesting we are without fault - no country is - but we have more often than not done the right thing for a long, long time, which makes the current inaction all the more disappointing.
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For an 20 year olds perspective on this he said to me
'fuck me Dad a lot of these trying to get on this train have better trainers than you!''.
To which I replied ''I bet they would rather have somewhere to live Son''.
Half an hour later he came downstairs with 6 pairs of trainers and took them to the Oxfam shop.
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For an 20 year olds perspective on this he said to me
'fuck me Dad a lot of these trying to get on this train have better trainers than you!''.
To which I replied ''I bet they would rather have somewhere to live Son''.
Half an hour later he came downstairs with 6 pairs of trainers and took them to the Oxfam shop.
Class, fair play to your son.
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I'm not really convinced we've done the right thing more often than not, to be honest. We weren't as racist as America, as war-mongering as the Germans and we weren't the most bastardy-colonialists (Belgium win that one) but I'd agree with Brazilian Villain's assertion that we have a far from spotless history.
I do think though that in recent decades we've taken great strides towards being a more tolerant and decent nation.
This crisis is a great time to remind the World how decent we can be by doing our bit and offering the support the refugees need.
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We should certainly be able to hold our heads up high as a modern, tolerant nation.
We don't look like that at the moment, though, even in comparison to nations with a relatively recent history of being the exact opposite.
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And once again, I am not suggesting we are without fault - no country is - but we have more often than not done the right thing for a long, long time, which makes the current inaction all the more disappointing.
I would point to the slave trade act of 1807 being one on the plus side.
Thinking of actions nations took for moral reasons across the past few centuries and there are few which compare to that one in terms of a net reduction of human suffering.
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The people will be heard on this.The Government is back tracking already.
What I don't get is why didn't the Government keep Quiet for a couple of days listen to the will of the people and then say something.
Arrogant fuckers this lot are.
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This country had a reputation for centuries for doing the right thing.
I'd like it to come back, but the response of the political class - not just the government, NB - so far has been embarrassing. Paralysed with fear.
Yes, in Ireland we have marvelled for centuries at the UK's ability to do the right thing. Its actions in the period leading up to and during the Great Famine were particulalrly well guided. If only we had an enlightened political class like that nowadays I'm sure everything would be just dandy.
That'd be a fair point if i had claimed that the UK had a faultless history.
Unfortunately, I didn't, so it's not hugely relevant. The fact of the matter is we used to be relied upon to put ourselves on the right side of things. Currently, we're not, we're being insular and pretending things aren't happening.
When there was a massive humanitarian crisis on its doorstep in the 1840s (far greater than today's with millions of deaths) the UK not only didn't do the right thing but its actions helped exacerbate the suituatuon. So to claim the UK had a reputation for centuries for doing the right thing is palpable nonsense rather than the "fact of the matter".
Palpable nonsense because you've flagged up something from 170 years ago?
And once again, I am not suggesting we are without fault - no country is - but we have more often than not done the right thing for a long, long time, which makes the current inaction all the more disappointing.
Not to be argumentative, but when were the 'more often than not' occasions when we 'did the right thing'?
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If you can overlook the centuries of rampage , pillage and empire building, well Madness were allowed to Play on the roof of a villa fans Nan's house . That wasn't too shabby 8)
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I wonder, how many caring posters on this thread would house, feed, clothe and wash these unfortunate people ?
1 ?
2 ?
4 ?
16 ?
Brian. Dave. Pauliewalnuts.
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I wonder, how many caring posters on this thread would house, feed, clothe and wash these unfortunate people ?
1 ?
2 ?
4 ?
16 ?
Brian. Dave. Pauliewalnuts.
This is such a stupid comment.
"The latest Government data on vacant dwellings shows over 610,000 empty homes in England with over 200,000 long-term vacant dwellings (that is homes unoccupied for over six months). Click on our statistics tab and latest statistics to find out how the data is derived and how to access information at an individual local authority level."
"More than 11m homes lie empty across Europe – enough to house all of the continent's homeless twice over – according to figures collated by the Guardian from across the EU.
In Spain more than 3.4m homes lie vacant, in excess of 2m homes are empty in each of France and Italy, 1.8m in Germany and more than 700,000 in the UK.
There are also a large numbers of vacant homes in Ireland, Greece, Portugal and several other countries, according to information collated by the Guardian.
Many of the homes are in vast holiday resorts built in the feverish housing boom in the run up to the 2007-08 financial crisis – and have never been occupied."
Pretty sure there's enough space around the world without people needing to fit people into their utility rooms or garden sheds.
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Nothing I would like better than a few Syrians doing paid work on my farm and some Syrian kids kicking a football round my farmyard. I think we should realise how this humanitarian catastrophe came about. Many of us, my family included, marched against the Iraq war. We could see what came next and this is it. War begets war and war begets mass human suffering. It is time for the developed world to take stock of itself. It is time to turn away from pouring the talents and energies of educated people into building Mercedes cars and Rolex watches and pour it into the building of homes and schools and roads and bridges and drains and reservoirs and all the fabric of communities so that when humanitarian disasters like this happen there is the capacity to deal with it. It is no more than nations providing a spare bedroom for guests. Countries scramble to pour billions into hosting the Olympic Games or the World Cup. The same resources should be given to saving innocent people's lives.
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Nothing I would like better than a few Syrians doing paid work on my farm and some Syrian kids kicking a football round my farmyard. I think we should realise how this humanitarian catastrophe came about. Many of us, my family included, marched against the Iraq war. We could see what came next and this is it. War begets war and war begets mass human suffering. It is time for the developed world to take stock of itself. It is time to turn away from pouring the talents and energies of educated people into building Mercedes cars and Rolex watches and pour it into the building of homes and schools and roads and bridges and drains and reservoirs and all the fabric of communities so that when humanitarian disasters like this happen there is the capacity to deal with it. It is no more than nations providing a spare bedroom for guests. Countries scramble to pour billions into hosting the Olympic Games or the World Cup. The same resources should be given to saving innocent people's lives.
Spot on.
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Governments are the problem not the people, if the suburb i live in was asked to support twenty families of Syrian refugees i have no doubt that they would be welcomed with open arms, replicate that across developed countries and that would go a long way to solving the problem. With the prime minister we have there is no chance of this happening. Save the children.
Australia is a great example of how governments are often the problem.
Which is somewhat ironic considering that most of the population either comprises, or is descended from, economic migrants (or criminals)
Our present PM demonised boat people when in opposition calling them illegal which as anyone with a brain knows is a nonsense. I would however seperate the Syrians who are in a terrible plight from those who are in no danger just want a better life. We pulled down the shutters when so many people were drowning trying to get here, ironically far more arrive by plane and are accepted. Its a complicated issue but why do i think they would be more readily accepted if they were of a different religeon.
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Shouldn't this thread be moved to Off Topic?
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The people will be heard on this.The Government is back tracking already.
What I don't get is why didn't the Government keep Quiet for a couple of days listen to the will of the people and then say something.
Arrogant fuckers this lot are.
They seem to be in a constant mode of electioneering. Worrying about how potential defectors to UKIP might react rather than doing what is right for desperate people trying to escape a war.
As you say it appears that they are belatedly reacting and I suppose better late than never but it is damning that it took pictures of a dead toddler to make them do it.
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Shouldn't this thread be moved to Off Topic?
No, it has "football" in the name and a Villa supporters group are bringing a banner referencing the refugee crisis to our next match.
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Will the banners be written on the back of Je suis Charlie ones left over from earlier in the year?
The humanitarian crisis of Syrian refugees (and the exploitation of economic migrants from across the Middle East and Africa) needs to be dealt with immediately, but banners at football grounds simply smacks of bandwagon-jumping, not least because the grounds themselves unfortunately remain repositories for significant numbers of our fellow citizens who would make those in desperate need of refuge anything but welcome.
I disagree. Seeing the banners in Germany the other week was possibly the first time I'd see mass approval for a more pro-active approach to the crisis. The politicians have successfully ignored the problem because there has been little pressure put on them to sort it out. These public, possibly bandwagon jumping (don't care if it is) measures are a positive step to forcing change.
Our current crop of politicians will change their tune to whatever they perceive is the public mood of the day. UKIP shout far too loud in this debate for my liking.
Always have done, always will do.
I actually feel sorry for Cameron on this, as he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
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I do not feel the slightest sympathy for Cameron. He has a wonderful opportunity to show us what he really is made of as a person. Is all the churchgoing and public compassion and wading in the Somerset floodwater sincere or political opportunism? The refugee crisis gives him the chance to show us.
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I do not feel the slightest sympathy for Cameron. He has a wonderful opportunity to show us what he really is made of as a person. Is all the churchgoing and public compassion and wading in the Somerset floodwater sincere or political opportunism? The refugee crisis gives him the chance to show us.
He's made of whatever he is told to be made off on any given day.
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I do not feel the slightest sympathy for Cameron. He has a wonderful opportunity to show us what he really is made of as a person. Is all the churchgoing and public compassion and wading in the Somerset floodwater sincere or political opportunism? The refugee crisis gives him the chance to show us.
I'm gonna go with the latter, because this crisis has been ongoing for years now, and he's only just had an attack of conscience
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Nothing I would like better than a few Syrians doing paid work on my farm and some Syrian kids kicking a football round my farmyard. I think we should realise how this humanitarian catastrophe came about. Many of us, my family included, marched against the Iraq war. We could see what came next and this is it. War begets war and war begets mass human suffering. It is time for the developed world to take stock of itself. It is time to turn away from pouring the talents and energies of educated people into building Mercedes cars and Rolex watches and pour it into the building of homes and schools and roads and bridges and drains and reservoirs and all the fabric of communities so that when humanitarian disasters like this happen there is the capacity to deal with it. It is no more than nations providing a spare bedroom for guests. Countries scramble to pour billions into hosting the Olympic Games or the World Cup. The same resources should be given to saving innocent people's lives.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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We will have a family camp in the back garden if they want.You can't cut the grass with a big tent on it.
Win win if you ask me.
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I think it's incredibly heartwarming that so many people in this country are willing to offer their homes to refugees. Who knows, perhaps this will usher in a new era of benevolence and humanity in Britain, where we welcome all those Britons who are already without shelter on our city streets into our homes, solving the homelessness problem once and for all? Perhaps the refugee crisis will force the government to build the homes, schools, hospitals and transport infrastructure that we desperately need? Maybe it will make us a better country? Mr Cameron? Mr Cameron...
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The ordinary British people have always done the right thing. The government and ruling classes of this country have always done the wrong thing!
If the government and ruling classes had always done the wrong thing then this country wouldn't exist.
If the ordinary British people had their way we'd have hanging.
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Shouldn't these people be moved to Off Topic?
Bastard
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I think it's incredibly heartwarming that so many people in this country are willing to offer their homes to refugees. Who knows, perhaps this will usher in a new era of benevolence and humanity in Britain, where we welcome all those Britons who are already without shelter on our city streets into our homes, solving the homelessness problem once and for all? Perhaps the refugee crisis will force the government to build the homes, schools, hospitals and transport infrastructure that we desperately need? Maybe it will make us a better country? Mr Cameron? Mr Cameron...
Exactly.
This country and it's people always acts in it's own interests. There have arguably been 2 great reforming liberal governments in the last 100 years. The rest have been driven by capitalism and popular greed. And like it not, that's what's made this country what it is today - both the good and the bad.
There are some fine sentiments being posted on here, but if you need any sense of where the (silent) majority of thinking in this country is then you only have to look at the recent election results, and what will happen to the labout vote if Corbyn is elected as leader.
Cameron knows it and that's why he's acting the way he is. Waving a flag at a football match isn't going to make a scrap of difference.
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What if one of these people that you take in and give your spare room to turn out to be like him out of 'The Hitcher'?
Just a thought like.
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This country had a reputation for centuries for doing the right thing.
I'd like it to come back, but the response of the political class - not just the government, NB - so far has been embarrassing. Paralysed with fear.
Yes, in Ireland we have marvelled for centuries at the UK's ability to do the right thing. Its actions in the period leading up to and during the Great Famine were particulalrly well guided. If only we had an enlightened political class like that nowadays I'm sure everything would be just dandy.
That'd be a fair point if i had claimed that the UK had a faultless history.
Unfortunately, I didn't, so it's not hugely relevant. The fact of the matter is we used to be relied upon to put ourselves on the right side of things. Currently, we're not, we're being insular and pretending things aren't happening.
When there was a massive humanitarian crisis on its doorstep in the 1840s (far greater than today's with millions of deaths) the UK not only didn't do the right thing but its actions helped exacerbate the suituatuon. So to claim the UK had a reputation for centuries for doing the right thing is palpable nonsense rather than the "fact of the matter".
Palpable nonsense because you've flagged up something from 170 years ago?
And once again, I am not suggesting we are without fault - no country is - but we have more often than not done the right thing for a long, long time, which makes the current inaction all the more disappointing.
Not trying to get into an argument, but that is rubbish. The people of most countries tend to think their foreign policy is fair and just and enacted for sound ethical reasons. This is generally absolute horseshit.
I'd recommend reading a book called Why Are We The Good Guys? which explores this in some depth.
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It's an unfair world and it always has been. To look back and say we did this or that is not going to make any difference today. As a country you have to look back and ask whether we have made it fairer over the passage of time, both here and places where we had influence to do so. The world and what was thought to be right 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 200 years ago etc. is completely different to today.
We can always make it fairer but is it a case of diminishing returns and should our main efforts be to influence other countries to make their country fairer where they are way behind where this country stands.
It is very easy to spend somebody else's money on a very worthy cause and, comparing with football, is similar in a way to how much a club should spend on transfers.
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I only hope that this crisis doesn't mean a charity single involving Bono.
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It's an unfair world and it always has been. To look back and say we did this or that is not going to make any difference today. As a country you have to look back and ask whether we have made it fairer over the passage of time, both here and places where we had influence to do so. The world and what was thought to be right 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 200 years ago etc. is completely different to today.
We can always make it fairer but is it a case of diminishing returns and should our main efforts be to influence other countries to make their country fairer where they are way behind where this country stands.
It is very easy to spend somebody else's money on a very worthy cause and, comparing with football, is similar in a way to how much a club should spend on transfers.
That's very true. But it doesn't mean we should be not bothered with attempting to make things better now. I too sympathise with politicians on this because there is no 'right' answer that will appease everyone - if emphasis is placed on trying to improve conditions in the affected countries rather than the immediate migrant concern, then they are labelled as cold hearted. Yet doing the opposite and fixing the short term problem does not prevent it from continuing to happen in the future. Because unless the problem is solved at the source, people will continue to flee and moral questions will continue to be asked of us all here.
I also don't buy the idea that only now has the government realised that there is a lot of refugees on our doorstep. I interned in Parliament back in January and it was still one of the main topics of conversation then for all parties. The situation is such a difficult one to get any meaningful change done in my opinion without, alas, boots on the ground (some at least) in the middle east and FORCING a change in the conflict, which no one definitely wants either - because sadly it doesn't look that neighbouring countries and the Assad regime in particular is capable of fixing it on their own, even with help from the West.
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A top UN official has called the crisis a “human atrocity” - and come up with a more subtle, and worrying, explanation for the cause.
Philippe Douste-Blazy, who advises the UN secretary general on innovative financing for development, told the Guardian’s global development correspondent Sam Jones that it all goes back to poverty.
“The wave was 10cm high two years ago. Now it’s about 40cm high. But for your children, it will be 30 metres high. Why? Because 2 billion people in the world earn less than $1.25 a day.
The difference between now and 20 years ago is that everybody looks at everybody now – it’s the globalisation of the economy and the globalisation of communications: internet, TV, radio. It’s very new.”
This is from the Guardian.
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In contrast, the Telegraph says that increased migration is due to the poor not being as poor as they used to be
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11842760/Prepare-yourselves-The-Great-Migration-will-be-with-us-for-decades.html
Never has there been less hardship; since Clinton’s day, the share of the population in extreme poverty (surviving on less than $1.25 a day) has halved. Never has there been less violence: the Syrian conflict is an exception in a period of history where war has waned. It might not feel like it, but the world is more prosperous and peaceful than at any time in human history – yet the number of emigrants stands at a record high. But there is no paradox. As more people have the money to move, more are doing so – and at extraordinary personal risk.
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The interesting thing for me is how everything has become globalized, and instantly accessible.
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Ding - Dong .
Door opens .
"Heroes and villains , villa fanzine , latest issue " ;D
Yes, you've already said that and it wasn't funny then.
It was a tiny bit funny. I at least smiled.
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In contrast, the Telegraph says that increased migration is due to the poor not being as poor as they used to be
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11842760/Prepare-yourselves-The-Great-Migration-will-be-with-us-for-decades.html
Never has there been less hardship; since Clinton’s day, the share of the population in extreme poverty (surviving on less than $1.25 a day) has halved. Never has there been less violence: the Syrian conflict is an exception in a period of history where war has waned. It might not feel like it, but the world is more prosperous and peaceful than at any time in human history – yet the number of emigrants stands at a record high. But there is no paradox. As more people have the money to move, more are doing so – and at extraordinary personal risk.
There's truth to that. The world is a much better, safer place than it ever has been. We just have 24hr news access to all be bad stuff. Hear or see it enough times on TV and radio, across the Internet and in the paper and it will always feel more than it is. This isn't downplaying the difficulties of each individual situation because they absolutely are. And those stories will always remain hard to digest and deal with. They all have their complexities. But hardships have always existed and conditions today for most people and much of the world are better and getting better.
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Even if the case for the world generally becoming a better place, and there are arguments for and against that theory, is true, the real unchallengeable truth is that the betterment is not being shared equally. While holiday homes and cosmetic surgery and cars for teenage children become the norm for the rich minority, the poor majority still die from preventable disease, famine, war and terrorism.
When the State of Israel was created in 1947 their founding mothers and father's decreed that poverty would never take root in the country. Their logic holds good to this day that people who have built something be it an orange grove or a brick factory are much less likely to want to fight than those with nothing who have nothing to lose. When the oil starts to run out, these days in the middle East will be regarded as relatively peaceful.
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Shouldn't these people be moved to Off Topic?
Bastard
Who... Me?
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A crowd funding page has been set up here, proceeds will be split between Asirt in Birmingham which is an independent refugee advocacy organisation and CalAid who supply clothing, tents and food to those in Calais. All donations no matter how small very welcome.
https://crowdfunding.justgiving.com/villanssupportrefugees (https://crowdfunding.justgiving.com/villanssupportrefugees)
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Brian - things have never been equal and never will be. Even the things you mentioned, the inequalities have always been there and will always be there. They just take a new form through the generations and in the next generation it will just be something else.
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Governments are the problem not the people, if the suburb i live in was asked to support twenty families of Syrian refugees i have no doubt that they would be welcomed with open arms, replicate that across developed countries and that would go a long way to solving the problem. With the prime minister we have there is no chance of this happening. Save the children.
Australia is a great example of how governments are often the problem.
i agree with you, but generally speaking, governments are reflective of the prevailing majority at any given point in time. Not saying all Aussies wouldn't welcome refugees, but probably the majority wouldn't, in my estimation. There does seem to be quite an undercurrent of selfishness. Hopefully the attention this issue is now receiving can help to change this. It's a huge country blessed with abundant resources. It could and should do more. It's a huge embarrassment to read read about the politicians claiming success in 'turning the boats back' and some of the horror stories emanating from Nauru detention centre where they basically imprison people who have entered the country illegally. It really is a shameful advert for Australia.
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Brian - things have never been equal and never will be. Even the things you mentioned, the inequalities have always been there and will always be there. They just take a new form through the generations and in the next generation it will just be something else.
And there have always been people who try to equalise and balance the inequalities of others to the best of their abilities and will continue so do so in the face of history, expectation and experience....
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Shouldn't these people be moved to Off Topic?
Bastard
Who... Me?
My original post said "shouldn't this be moved to off topic?" Shame on whoever altered it to make me look bad and themselves look clever...given the subject.
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In contrast, the Telegraph says that increased migration is due to the poor not being as poor as they used to be
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11842760/Prepare-yourselves-The-Great-Migration-will-be-with-us-for-decades.html
Never has there been less hardship; since Clinton’s day, the share of the population in extreme poverty (surviving on less than $1.25 a day) has halved. Never has there been less violence: the Syrian conflict is an exception in a period of history where war has waned. It might not feel like it, but the world is more prosperous and peaceful than at any time in human history – yet the number of emigrants stands at a record high. But there is no paradox. As more people have the money to move, more are doing so – and at extraordinary personal risk.
Yes finally some sensible journalism to balance the, they are all fleeing because they are in mortal danger, the situation in Syria has not just got a whole lot worse.
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I see Villa were mentioned on The Last Leg tonight as one of two "teams" planning banners.
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Sorry TV but we must agree to disagree. I think the human default position is one of generosity not selfishness. I believe people are fundamentally good. The curve of civilisation is not a constant upward parabola. There are massive downturns like the British putting Africans in chains and Germany's concentration camps. These downturns in civilisation just do not correct themselves they have to be fought and resisted. For me T'was Ever Thus is no answer.
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The interesting thing for me is how everything has become globalized, and instantly accessible.
Unless of course, you need to access it via Hungary, The Med, Calais.................
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I don't the local EDL morons agree with the banner.
https://twitter.com/EDLunitedmids/status/639939261064740864
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Sorry TV but we must agree to disagree. I think the human default position is one of generosity not selfishness. I believe people are fundamentally good. The curve of civilisation is not a constant upward parabola. There are massive downturns like the British putting Africans in chains and Germany's concentration camps. These downturns in civilisation just do not correct themselves they have to be fought and resisted. For me T'was Ever Thus is no answer.
We're saying the same thing though Brian. If you take the position that people are fundamentally good, which I agree with, then things will get better. Which I'm saying they have. Humans generally don't get away much of the atrocities of the past because of how much more quickly it gets exposed. But that's not to say some very evil ones won't try and get away with it for a short period of time. And there will always be those cases because those who are meant to help quicker are influenced by many things, sometimes unfortunately those reasons aren't good, and innocent people suffer.
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You would think that countries like Saudi Arabia & Dubai would be able to take in a very large number of refugees/ economic migrants ?
After all they have the same stone-age religion as most of the people trying to emigrate..
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You think they are trying to 'emigrate'?
Fucking hell, why not suggest they are just looking to go on holiday.
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You think they are trying to 'emigrate'?
Fucking hell, why not suggest they are just looking to go on holiday.
Synonyms for emigrate
verb move to new country .
What the fuck do you think they are doing then you prick ?
When I go on holiday I don't tell people I am emigrating to Ibiza for a fortnight 8)
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You think they are trying to 'emigrate'?
Fucking hell, why not suggest they are just looking to go on holiday.
Synonyms for emigrate
verb move to new country .
What the fuck do you think they are doing then you prick ?
When I go on holiday I don't tell people I am emigrating to Ibiza for a fortnight 8)
You would think that countries like Saudi Arabia & Dubai would be able to take in a very large number of refugees/ economic migrants ?
After all they have the same stone-age religion as most of the people trying to emigrate..
Stone-age religion? Bit rich coming from a neanderthal.
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Neanderthal ? How did you deduce that ?
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Nose alert, nose alert
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Neanderthal ? How did you deduce that ?
Talking about stone age religions and a third world country perhaps? Calling someone a prick in your fifth post? Maybe he took a wild guess.
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Nose alert, nose alert
You don't have to be a nose to be a uneducated twat.
I suggest EDL before nose.
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Neanderthal ? How did you deduce that ?
I never thought you'd have been capable of disingenuous behaviour.
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Hate to break it to you but Neanderthals became extinct a long, long time ago...
I was merely responding to someone suggesting I did not know what " emigrate" means.
And no I am not a nose.
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Nose alert, nose alert
You don't have to be a nose to be a uneducated twat.
I suggest EDL before nose.
Go on be a big lad, and play your Ace card, call me a racist - you know you want to.
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It's not an Ace card. You are a racist. The world hasn't stopped turning. There are loads of racists like you. It's not interesting in any way.
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It's not an Ace card. You are a racist. The world hasn't stopped turning. There are loads of racists like you. It's not interesting in any way.
Islam isn't a race.....
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Thanks for pointing that out.
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It's not an Ace card. You are a racist. The world hasn't stopped turning. There are loads of racists like you. It's not interesting in any way.
Islam isn't a race.....
Well, no. But then there's no scientific consensus on whether race even exists. Islamophobes and racists in arguments like this tend to be interchangeable. Apologies to the Devonian bigot above if I've contravened any site rules.
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Xenophobe would be more appropriate... For what it's worth.
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And you can im
Thanks for pointing that out.
I thought I'd save you the trouble.
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Not at all - its a common mistake.
I don't see what is racist about suggesting that the refugees would be better settling in wealthy countries where the dominant religion ( albeit there are various sects ) is the same as the majority of those who are desperate to leave their own countries ?
Or do we want to see European countries become Islamic ? May not be a worry to you while you are knitting lentils whilst reading the Grauniad, but sure as hell our children & grandchildren wont forgive us.
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Not at all - its a common mistake.
I don't see what is racist about suggesting that the refugees would be better settling in wealthy countries where the dominant religion ( albeit there are various sects ) is the same as the majority of those who are desperate to leave their own countries ?
Or do we want to see European countries become Islamic ? May not be a worry to you while you are knitting lentils whilst reading the Grauniad, but sure as hell our children & grandchildren wont forgive us.
Are you sure you're not a racist?
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This thread isn't and shouldn't be about race.Its about people needing help.
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Not at all - its a common mistake.
I don't see what is racist about suggesting that the refugees would be better settling in wealthy countries where the dominant religion ( albeit there are various sects ) is the same as the majority of those who are desperate to leave their own countries ?
Or do we want to see European countries become Islamic ? May not be a worry to you while you are knitting lentils whilst reading the Grauniad, but sure as hell our children & grandchildren wont forgive us.
Evening Nigel
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Thanks for pointing that out.
Ha! And so the great tactician allows us a glimpse of his strategy. Lots of people have genuine concerns/a massive fucking problem about/with the damage religion does. When they let that intellectual anxiety spill over into indifference about the plight of human beings in desperate situations then you can be pretty sure that the person concerned has a problem with the people, not their religion.
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Who said I was indifferent ? Saudi/Dubai helping out would be good all round, No ?
Good standard of debate on here though, surprised nobody has called me Himmler yet ? Oh hang on, the Germans are the good guys now, so I cant be him..
No, not EDL either, we have no need for them here in England.
Nigel ? Do you mean that Farage chap - actually he was the first politician who said we should take in Syrian refugees ( he was bluffing though as he's a racist aint he ) - yes I have voted for his mob, as well as Labour & Tories at different times. Never cast my "X" for the Greens though so I will never be popular on here :'(
Heres a bit of bedtime reading for you all - although its at times laugh out funny, and other times its your worst nightmare - America Alone by Mark Steyn ( albeit a few years out of date now ).
Ok what are you gonna call me now ? I can take it, sticks and stones and all that.
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Man reads book. Assumes that confers status of unimpeachable genius. Wins argument. Remains a racist.
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Man reads things in others post that aren't there, remains away with the fairys.
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This thread isn't and shouldn't be about race.Its about people needing help.
Exactly this.
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It's 'faries'. You ought to try reading books more often, it's even better the second time.
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Note: I did not mean "fairys" as inferring you are someone who bats for the other team....
But I suppose if you are deemed by the H&V kangaroo court to be a racist, you are automatically a homophobe as well..
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Actually, it's fairies, but, y'know.
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No worries, I am not one to crucify myself or anyone else about spelling mistakes.
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What if one of these people that you take in and give your spare room to turn out to be like him out of 'The Hitcher'?
Just a thought like.
We'd send him to Yorkshire he'd fit in there.
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Not at all - its a common mistake.
I don't see what is racist about suggesting that the refugees would be better settling in wealthy countries where the dominant religion ( albeit there are various sects ) is the same as the majority of those who are desperate to leave their own countries ?
Or do we want to see European countries become Islamic ? May not be a worry to you while you are knitting lentils whilst reading the Grauniad, but sure as hell our children & grandchildren wont forgive us.
SID do you think we could become friends? On facebook or something?
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No thanks, don't get involved in social media.
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No worries, I am not one to crucify myself or anyone else about spelling mistakes.
Can you actually crucify yourself?
Sorry that's not a suggestion, just a thought on the physics it.
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No worries, I am not one to crucify myself or anyone else about spelling mistakes.
Can you actually crucify yourself?
Sorry that's not a suggestion, just a thought on the physics it.
You can with a nail gun.
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Not at all - its a common mistake.
I don't see what is racist about suggesting that the refugees would be better settling in wealthy countries where the dominant religion ( albeit there are various sects ) is the same as the majority of those who are desperate to leave their own countries ?
Or do we want to see European countries become Islamic ? May not be a worry to you while you are knitting lentils whilst reading the Grauniad, but sure as hell our children & grandchildren wont forgive us.
What fucking rubbish. Why define people by their religion? Yes, they're muslims. And so are the people dropping mustard gas on them. And so are the ISIS animals. And so are most of the people killed by ISIS.
What sort of reception do you think these people would get in Saudi Arabia?
As for "European countries becoming islamic", you might want to think about the maths and timeframe involved in that, seeing as 6% of the EU population is muslim. If that's a decent reason for letting people carry on getting gassed and murdered, then you're a colder hearted person than most.
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No worries, I am not one to crucify myself or anyone else about spelling mistakes.
Can you actually crucify yourself?
Sorry that's not a suggestion, just a thought on the physics it.
You can with a nail gun.
How would you do the final hand?
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No worries, I am not one to crucify myself or anyone else about spelling mistakes.
Can you actually crucify yourself?
Sorry that's not a suggestion, just a thought on the physics it.
You can with a nail gun.
How would you do the final hand?
A flexible drainpipe and a quick hand.
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Not at all - its a common mistake.
I don't see what is racist about suggesting that the refugees would be better settling in wealthy countries where the dominant religion ( albeit there are various sects ) is the same as the majority of those who are desperate to leave their own countries ?
Or do we want to see European countries become Islamic ? May not be a worry to you while you are knitting lentils whilst reading the Grauniad, but sure as hell our children & grandchildren wont forgive us.
What fucking rubbish. Why define people by their religion? Yes, they're muslims. And so are the people dropping mustard gas on them. And so are the ISIS animals. And so are most of the people killed by ISIS.
What sort of reception do you think these people would get in Saudi Arabia?
As for "European countries becoming islamic", you might want to think about the maths and timeframe involved in that, seeing as 6% of the EU population is muslim. If that's a decent reason for letting people carry on getting gassed and murdered, then you're a colder hearted person than most.
What sort of reception do you think they would get in SA ?
Are you inferring they would not get a good reception ? Whyever not ?
Maths + Timeframe ? Probably 40/50 years - Demographics, demographics, demographics.
Its you who is spouting utter utter fucking rubbish, you need to wake up and smell the coffee.
I am positive the refugees will be grateful to the host countries they settle in - for a time - then they will start demanding Mosques be built, practice FGM, casually abuse a few thousand young white girls, while the powers-that-be look the other way in the name of good community relations...
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Maths + Timeframe? 100,000 years before your knuckles leave the tarmac.
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Good one, like it :) You are wasted on here.
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Just remember, regardless of the manipulation of the MSM, the silent majority thinks like me - but they wont always be silent...
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Just remember, regardless of the manipulation of the MSM, the silent majority thinks like me - but they wont always be silent...
How do you know they think like you?
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They told him. Oh....
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They told him. Oh....
Ah, the gobby silent type.
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How do you think the Tories got elected ?
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Just remember, regardless of the manipulation of the MSM, the silent majority thinks like me - but they wont always be silent...
An anagram of your username is A Savvied Onion. I now agree with everything you say and believe you to be the racist incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. What should I think about crown green bowls and its Islamist factions to the south of Devon? Is Padstow about to start burning books? Sorry, book?
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How do you think the Tories got elected ?
By winning 37% of the vote in a weird electoral system. Now, about this majority you speak of...
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Oh she's back...
Padstow is in Cornwall actually - Rick Stein has a nice chippy there, have a break from the lentilburger mate, live life a bit.
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It may be off topic, but I love the candle in the wind song
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How do you think the Tories got elected ?
Fear
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This bloke is better than a Bloser
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"They'll take your jobs! They'll rape your women!" How depressing to see the old NF arguments from the 70s being dragged out of the closet. Again.
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Heres a bit of bedtime reading for you all - although its at times laugh out funny, and other times its your worst nightmare - America Alone by Mark Steyn
No thanks. Neo con down to his boot straps who proved too right wing for that bastion of fair and balanced journalism at Fox News.
Educated at King Edwards in Brum too embarressingly.
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Heres a bit of bedtime reading for you all - although its at times laugh out funny, and other times its your worst nightmare - America Alone by Mark Steyn
No thanks. Neo con down to his boot straps who proved too right wing for that bastion of fair and balanced journalism at Fox News.
Educated at King Edwards in Brum too embarressingly.
How embarrassing that you spell embarrassingly embarresingly.
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Not at all - its a common mistake.
I don't see what is racist about suggesting that the refugees would be better settling in wealthy countries where the dominant religion ( albeit there are various sects ) is the same as the majority of those who are desperate to leave their own countries ?
Or do we want to see European countries become Islamic ? May not be a worry to you while you are knitting lentils whilst reading the Grauniad, but sure as hell our children & grandchildren wont forgive us.
What fucking rubbish. Why define people by their religion? Yes, they're muslims. And so are the people dropping mustard gas on them. And so are the ISIS animals. And so are most of the people killed by ISIS.
What sort of reception do you think these people would get in Saudi Arabia?
As for "European countries becoming islamic", you might want to think about the maths and timeframe involved in that, seeing as 6% of the EU population is muslim. If that's a decent reason for letting people carry on getting gassed and murdered, then you're a colder hearted person than most.
What sort of reception do you think they would get in SA ?
Are you inferring they would not get a good reception ? Whyever not ?
Maths + Timeframe ? Probably 40/50 years - Demographics, demographics, demographics.
Its you who is spouting utter utter fucking rubbish, you need to wake up and smell the coffee.
I am positive the refugees will be grateful to the host countries they settle in - for a time - then they will start demanding Mosques be built, practice FGM, casually abuse a few thousand young white girls, while the powers-that-be look the other way in the name of good community relations...
I'd like to take this wonderful opportunity to abuse the site rules and proclaim loudly that you sir, are an absolute fuckwit.
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I can't believe he's lasted this long, not even for entertainment value.
I genuinely hope you never have to deal with a personal crisis of this magnitude in your life sunshine, you could be dancing to a different tune.
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I'd like to think we've just been visited by mad old John Mooney.
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Ding - Dong .
Door opens .
"Heroes and villains , villa fanzine , latest issue " ;D
Yes, you've already said that and it wasn't funny then.
Perhaps we should have a poll on that Dave!
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Have a look at the bbc article where Germans gathered and applauded and handed out gifts to the refugess as they arrived.
But is there a cunning plan here? Germany, like the UK, has an aging population. Yet they have been welcoming refugees for many years. So whilst gaining the moral high ground, the Germans's are also creating a pool of labour for their future economic growth and health care needs! Works for me!
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'Never Mind The ISIS, Here's the Syrian Refugees.'
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Just remember, regardless of the manipulation of the MSM, the silent majority thinks like me - but they wont always be silent...
Only if the "silent majority" are utter utter ******
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I'd like to think we've just been visited by mad old John Mooney.
My thoughts too, hope it is him as I'd hate to think there were more than of him.
Drip, drip, drip...
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No thanks, don't get involved in social media.
I understand as that's a very healthy approach. So how about exchanging phone numbers and may be swapping pictures?
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Mooney was polite and not sweary. Bitta respect please.
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Mooney was polite and not sweary. Bitta respect please.
That was then, before the Gay mafia got to him.
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Has he gone or is at church?
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Ok what are you gonna call me now ? I can take it, sticks and stones and all that.
Can I have a go, and is there a prize if we guess correctly?
I'll go with
Psuedo-interllectual, xenophobically paranoid, empathy lacking cock socket.
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Thankfully there aren't many people who are actually so oblivious to how their views are perceived that they actually enjoy them being criticized. The bloke from Devon wears it like a badge of honour.
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I will go with.
When the Syrians were mapping the heavens and mastering algebra our ancestors were painting their arses with woad. Most of us have become civilized. You seem to have rejected the process.
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Thankfully there aren't many people who are actually so oblivious to how their views are perceived that they actually enjoy them being criticized. The bloke from Devon wears it like a badge of honour.
He's the voice of the Silent Majority you know - he knows what people want - can he read my mind and then act on it do you think?
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Has he gone or is at church?
Bloody iPad, stealing words
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Does my head in aswell. Is there any way to turn it off?
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Has he gone or is at church?
Bloody iPad, stealing words
Coming over here, stealing our words...
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Apologies if already posted elsewhere:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COOLm3DWoAAOsXw.jpg:small)
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Well, that was a mind bending page of unfiltered xenophobia.
Read an interesting article earlier about how extremists in European mosques would likely be weeded out by the coming Muslim refugees who are sick of their shizzle.
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I will go with.
When the Syrians were mapping the heavens and mastering algebra our ancestors were painting their arses with woad. Most of us have become civilized. You seem to have rejected the process.
Are you not coming to my woad arse painting weekend then Brian?
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I will go with.
When the Syrians were mapping the heavens and mastering algebra our ancestors were painting their arses with woad. Most of us have become civilized. You seem to have rejected the process.
Are you not coming to my woad arse painting weekend then Brian?
I planted some woad last year, no plans to paint my arse with it yet.
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I will go anywhere for a woad in. Problem is my arse is so scrawny by the time I have got the Polyfilla on all the best woadsters are spoken for and I get a novice who thinks she is creosoting a shed. Never grow old lads. Old age is pants.
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I will go anywhere for a woad in. Problem is my arse is so scrawny by the time I have got the Polyfilla on all the best woadsters are spoken for and I get a novice who thinks she is creosoting a shed. Never grow old lads. Old age is pants.
It's funny how your mind works on these things, but I always had you down as a gentleman with a large derriere.
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That's my wallet Lee.
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I picture Brian as a bit like Richard Briers in The Good Life. Corduroys slightly worn from years of growing stuff in the garden, and a cravat.
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I picture Brian as a bit like Richard Briers in The Good Life. Corduroys slightly worn from years of growing stuff in the garden, and a cravat.
I think my image is more Marlon Brando, when he cops it playing with his grandson in the Godfather.
(sorry Bri, not wanting to tempt fate with that)
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Keep wight on to the end of the woad.
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I'm more of a 4x4 off-woader
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Of all the posters on here Archie will have the best. He's got Woman woad (which sounds better than it reads).
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Victor Meldrew with hair is the closest I can guide you. If you want to know what I used to look like fifty years ago watch ITV news. Dead spit.
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Victor Meldrew with hair is the closest I can guide you. If you want to know what I used to look like fifty years ago watch ITV news. Dead spit.
(http://tvnewsroom.org/images/thumbnails/mary-nightingale.jpg)
Fairplay Brian, I wouldn't have kicked you out of bed.
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Victor Meldrew with hair is the closest I can guide you. If you want to know what I used to look like fifty years ago watch ITV news. Dead spit.
(http://tvnewsroom.org/images/thumbnails/mary-nightingale.jpg)
Fairplay Brian, I wouldn't have kicked you out of bed.
Aye, I'll daub your behind with woad
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And with that another thread goes off an an anarchic tangent.
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"Oh woadn't it be nice if we were older..."
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Facebook warning from UN this morning. "Syrian refugee crisis deepens, Bono about to release one off charity single to raise funds for refugees".
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They could make more money from people donating to stop him singing.
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And with that another thread goes off an an anarchic tangent.
Yup, first time that I've checked this thread for a few days and I'm met by posts about Brian's arse, woad and polyfilla
H&V goes a bit weird at times.
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Was the banner on display? Didn't see any pictures on TV.
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(http://i60.tinypic.com/2d2ccw6.jpg" alt="http://i60.tinypic.com/2d2ccw6.jpg)
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Good work.
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Good work.
Seconded.
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Well done to all concerned.
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Cheers everyone. It was a proper last minute job that banner, painted on Saturday evening!
We've still got some time left on the crowd funding page. The money raised will be split between Asirt who are based in Birmingham and CalAid who provide support to refugees in Calais. Any dontions gratefully received.
https://crowdfunding.justgiving.com/#/villanssupportrefugees (https://crowdfunding.justgiving.com/#/villanssupportrefugees)
Further details of both charities here;
http://www.calaid.co.uk/ (http://www.calaid.co.uk/)
http://www.asirt.org.uk/ (http://www.asirt.org.uk/)
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What was the reaction to the banner?
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What was the reaction to the banner?
I wasn't there but apparently there wasn't any major reaction either way. I've heard that someone with a peice of card saying "Refugees Welcome" was confronted by a bloke in a Stone Island top who told him to take it down but he ignored him.
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Turns out "doing the poznan" now means "being a complete bastard" (http://www.ultras-tifo.net/news/3760-lech-poznan-supporters-boycott-europa-league-match.html)
(I wouldn't read the comments section of that article, it's dispiriting in the extreme)
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Ultras Tifo has some decent posts on the forums, it's good for following the displays of various ultra groups, but the politics section leaves a lot to be desired, it basically revolves around reductive ideas about race and nation that sound like they could've been part of a Goebbels press release
Just to give this one last bump, the page expires in the next couple of days https://crowdfunding.justgiving.com/#/villanssupportrefugees (https://crowdfunding.justgiving.com/#/villanssupportrefugees)