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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 06:09:17 PM
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Liverpool defender deal agreed. Loan with view to permanent deal.
We have until eight to wrap up the deal so I expect it will go through.
Like the sound of a view to a permanent deal. If he's brilliant we can sign him, if not, he hasn't cost us much.
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Yep, just seen this announced on SSN. Like quite a few of our signings this summer, I know absolutely zip about him!!
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Another CB when we need a proven Striker?? Hmmm
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I wonder what the "significant" loan fee is?
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£1m loan fee, according to various Twitter sources.
He cost Liverpool £7m.
EDIT: Also, it's Ilori!
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EDIT: Also, it's Ilori!
I know. Not sure what you're getting at.
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I wasn't expecting this but ok.
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Had a scout on the Liverpool boards and they'd rather it was just a loan with no offer to buy at the end, think he has potential.
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Is he good?
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Well if he ends up playing for England, another player who will sod off .
Lets hope he does.
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Centre-back ?
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with this final piece of the jigsaw I think we will probably win the league now
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He is Portuguese and should be playing for Portugal. Maybe he will put a good word with Ronaldo ;) for Aston Villa.
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So we have Okore, Clark, Richards, Lescott, Ilori and Baker.
If this is indeed a loan with an option to buy then I think it is a good deal, as I can't imagine him playing that many games for us. If it is just a way of one of pour competitors players getting some PL exposure then not so happy.
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Is he confirmed?
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So we have Okore, Clark, Richards, Lescott, Ilori and Baker.
If this is indeed a loan with an option to buy then I think it is a good deal, as I can't imagine him playing that many games for us. If it is just a way of one of pour competitors players getting some PL exposure then not so happy.
Baker has gone to Bristol City for the season.
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all well and good but he is tainted goods,
I don't like anything that is Liverpool,never have ,never will
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Is he confirmed?
We've got Untill 8 to do the deal before the door slams shut (again)
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Is he confirmed?
We've got Untill 8 to do the deal before the door slams shut (again)
Thanks for the clarification.
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all well and good but he is tainted goods,
I don't like anything that is Liverpool,never have ,never will
So you never liked Peter Withe or Dennis Mortimer?
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all well and good but he is tainted goods,
I don't like anything that is Liverpool,never have ,never will
So you never liked Peter Withe or Dennis Mortimer?
Or Cilla (rip)
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Is he confirmed?
I'd imagine so. Portuguese so he's bound to be Catholic.
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Liverpool today.the football team,not our legends.that don't count
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Dean Saunders or Steve Staunton
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We gonna play 3 at the back this season then perhaps?
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Can he play centre forward?
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the whole Liverpool thing
top four club sponsored by sky.sponsored by aunty fkn beeb
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We gonna play 3 at the back this season then perhaps?
I hope not. I hate three at the back.
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Is he confirmed?
Just seen footage of him rocking up at Bodymoor Heath in a black cab.
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We gonna play 3 at the back this season then perhaps?
I hope not. I hate three at the back.
Maybe we can just have an extra defender as a favour, like?
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all well and good but he is tainted goods,
I don't like anything that is Liverpool,never have ,never will
So you never liked Peter Withe or Dennis Mortimer?
Tony Morely.
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3 at the back didn't do us bad with sir Brian at the helm
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Dean Saunders.
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just wondering how long weve actually been watching this fella?
why didn't we get him as part of the benteke deal?
im sure they would have chucked him in..
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why no mention of svc
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£7m he cost Liverpool, and he hasn't made a single appearance for them. I'm hoping he's not another Brendan Rogers masterstroke, at 22 he should have more experience than he's got, which amounts to about 20 loan appearances in two years.
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the whole Liverpool thing
top four club sponsored by sky.sponsored by aunty fkn beeb
They weren't a top four club last time I looked.
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just wondering how long weve actually been watching this fella?
why didn't we get him as part of the benteke deal?
im sure they would have chucked him in..
Cos we wanted cash baby.
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Hmmm ok so it's essentially a try before you buy deal?
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So we have Okore, Clark, Richards, Lescott, Ilori and Baker.
Crespo and Senderos too
I know we have had injuries worries in that position in the past but our summer recruitment in the centre half position has been bizarre
maybe three at the back is being considered again
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why no mention of svc
Ah, I see.
I smell a small heathen/stripey.
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I don't get it I have to say. Five centre backs plus senderos. I wonder if he can play full back.
I can't see crespo getting much game time
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never
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Hard to comment too much because I know next to nothing about him. Does seem a strange one though.
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exiled middle aged villa stuck up north surrounded by the fkrs
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Where does this fella play? Another one I know absolutely zilch about.
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I'd say TS is obviously not convinced by Okore or his fitness and is covering the bases at CB. I'm sure he would have tried to offload Senderos.
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if hes been taught locally,
his team mates lockers
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Don't think we'll see Senderos again. He's probably a buster flush now.
Richards can play RB if needs be. We've got plenty of options in the middle now. Hopefully they will be more reliable in terms of fitness and injuries. I'm still not entirely convinced on Okore (as yet). He's still very raw. So I'd imagine Okore and Ilori will fight for 4th choice.
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Well if he ends up playing for England, another player who will sod off .
Lets hope he does.
If Wikipedia can be believed he was born in Hampstead, London. Parents are an English father of Nigerian descent and a Portugese mother.
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I'd say TS is obviously not convinced by Okore or his fitness and is covering the bases at CB. I'm sure he would have tried to offload Senderos.
But he didn't shift Senderos and bought Lescott in, a strange move to get in a loaner.
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ffs he refused sunderland saying it would be too cold
that would be about reason 33 not to go there
I
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Or how about give him a chance. Maybe he didn't want to go to Sunderland because they're shit.
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Okore will be fine - he's the future. Last season he needed a rest towards the end - got injured and played on due to lack of numbers at CB. Less pressure now.
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Yeah but if he's fifth choice centre back he's unlikely to get much game time, okore
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Turn the sound down/off:
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Looks like he can pick a pass out. Strange signing though, surely better to keep Baker and give him the game time? Unless Tim really doesn't rate him and expects him to go once he returns from his loan. Either way if he's confirmed welcome and all the best Tiago.
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We've certainly got options in defence now; guessing we've found a loan spot for Senderos too if we've gone ahead with this one.
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We've certainly got options in defence now; guessing we've found a loan spot for Senderos too if we've gone ahead with this one.
Possibly Wolves seeing as they've sold that Richard Stearman which their lot are none too happy about.
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I just always assume Senderos is injured, so he won't be going anywhere.
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We've certainly got options in defence now; guessing we've found a loan spot for Senderos too if we've gone ahead with this one.
Possibly Wolves seeing as they've sold that Richard Stearman which their lot are none too happy about.
Yes all my mates were moaning about that, he's always seemed a bit of a meat and two veg, ten a penny stopper to me.
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all well and good but he is tainted goods,
I don't like anything that is Liverpool,never have ,never will
So you never liked Peter Withe or Dennis Mortimer?
Tony Morely.
Tony Morley. Born in Ormskirk. Never played for Liverpool.
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all well and good but he is tainted goods,
I don't like anything that is Liverpool,never have ,never will
So you never liked Peter Withe or Dennis Mortimer?
Tony Morely.
Tony Morley. Born in Ormskirk. Never played for Liverpool.
Neither did Dennis or Peter W
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Sky Sports Deadline rolling news saying season long loan with £1mil loan fee. Option to buy next summer at a fee between £6 to £9 million.
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Signed on season-long loan.
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Sky Sports Deadline rolling news saying season long loan with £1mil loan fee. Option to buy next summer at a fee between £6 to £9 million.
How do they decide how much?
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And Dean Saunders came from Liverpool.
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Sky Sports Deadline rolling news saying season long loan with £1mil loan fee. Option to buy next summer at a fee between £6 to £9 million.
How do they decide how much?
Depends on number of appearances and quote "other clauses"
BBC also reporting it as a Done Deal.
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They made a point of saying he can play anywhere along the backline on the official site, so I expect to see him filling in at full back and centreback this season.
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And Dean Saunders came from Liverpool.
And the mighty John Gidman
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Is he right-footed?
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Well if he ends up playing for England, another player who will sod off .
Lets hope he does.
If Wikipedia can be believed he was born in Hampstead, London. Parents are an English father of Nigerian descent and a Portugese mother.
Exactly nelson. That's why I'm saying :)
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Is he right-footed?
Yup.
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And Dean Saunders came from Liverpool.
And the mighty John Gidman
Ray Houghton
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Also of note:
At Sporting CP’s academy, the club staff conduct speed tests on players and Tiago Ilori currently holds the academy record beating the pace set by the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo & Nani before him
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Could this be our right-sided Amavi? Looking at how quick he is and how he looks with the ball at his feet he looks like a full back to me.
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Could end up being a master stroke to turn him into a right back.
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Steve Staunton
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Welcome Tiago.
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Ian Ross and Alun Evans are another two I can think of.
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Who?
Why don't Liverpool want him?
And, welcome, hopefully you're great!
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Would our head of recruitment been working at Liverpool when the signed him? If so he probably knew a fair bit about him in Portugal and whilst at Liverpool. It that is correct then its a pretty solid recommendation.
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I'm considering this a good move because what I believe is Rodgers wouldn't know a good central defender if it smashed him in the face. This kid might be great whereas he spent 20m on Lovren.
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Ian Ross and Alun Evans are another two I can think of.
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/21/16/0,,10265~9704993,00.jpg)
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Well I don't know what he's like but the accusers are going mad on their forums.
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Would our head of recruitment been working at Liverpool when the signed him? If so he probably knew a fair bit about him in Portugal and whilst at Liverpool. It that is correct then its a pretty solid recommendation.
Fair enough - that makes sense.
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Master stroke by TS if he turns out to be a great RB.
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Well I don't know what he's like but the accusers are going mad on their forums.
Accusers is about right. Some of their online support could have an argument with their own arse.
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Well I don't know what he's like but the accusers are going mad on their forums.
Accusers is about right. Some of their online support could have an argument with their own arse.
"WE'RE DYING DOWN HERE LA!"
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He's meant to be agile and skilful but not the strongest
He's not really reported to be a right back but if he can be a better middle ground between hutton's reliability and bacuna's better quality in some attacking positions (by no means all) it could be a good signing
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Predictive text fail.
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Predictive text fail.
I think it kind of works.
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Not the catchiest of nicknames for a player, but we can make it work.
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Shit I thought I spotted an anagram of rolling gait.
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Another young player with potential. Good signing!
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Given that he could not force his way into a piss poor Liverpool defence I will wait to see him in action before I start singing his praises.
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Given that he could not force his way into a piss poor Liverpool defence I will wait to see him in action before I start singing his praises.
He didn't get a chance there.
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ilori-loan-how-liverpool-fc-9972270
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The scousers really don't like Rodgers do they.
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ilori-loan-how-liverpool-fc-9972270
They're a happy bunch!
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I'm glad they're pissed off.
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Good move.
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this kid looks pretty decent (YouTube I know) and a very good age. And as for Liverpool selling him, maybe this lad can be their Cahill moment while they stick with Lovren
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Welcome Tiago, do well for us please.
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this kid looks pretty decent (YouTube I know) and a very good age. And as for Liverpool selling him, maybe this lad can be their Cahill moment while they stick with Lovren
I agree, the option to buy is a little strange though. He looks sharp but a little lightweight.
Hopefully he will get to see some first team action here.
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This lad is a footballer ... watch the youtube clips and see why we have swapped Baker for a more cultured centre back. Keeps the ball well and good distribution even can thread a through ball.
He will be one to keep an eye on if he gets "game time" a real prospect.
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This lad is a footballer ... watch the youtube clips and see why we have swapped Baker for a more cultured centre back. Keeps the ball well and good distribution even can thread a through ball.
He will be one to keep an eye on if he gets "game time" a real prospect.
Yeh, I didn't see any 60 yard cannons up the pitch. There is a time and place for that off course but its nice to see a defender passing it as his first choice.
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He did well on Bordeaux last season as I saw a few games.
No idea where he plays here as I assume the first choice Cbs will be Richards and Lescott.
Even when we do have 5 cbs we also seem to have 2 out injured. End of last season we were down to Vlaar and Okore and Okore was playing on one leg.
Don't quite understand why we signed Crespo if we were making a move for this one all along.
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Crespo's full back cover this guy is centre-half, I think.
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I think Crespo was brought in as RB cover more than CB. That he also offers more versatility across the back four. So instead of Hutton on the bench you'd have him or Bacuna. Watching Hutton the other night vs Notts County you can see he no longer has it.
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Hutton was fine v Sunderland although an easy game given their non existant left side of midfield.
And Bacuna showed if he's starting games it can't be in midfield, has to be RB or bench.
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Great signing with potential and if developed right another gem !! Liverpool really wasted his talents or at least didn't enhance them much and will undoubtedly be given opportunity at villa . played in the euro under 21 finals so many may remember him v England for example and he's also able to play left back . Basically he's an attacking and playmaking centre half something villa don't have . if I could compare him to a defender I would say David luiz but with a bit less razz ma taz . He likes to be forward and set up play and will join in attacks but probably not as flamboyant as David luiz. He's a solid defender who probably needs to be a bit more ready for the physicality side of the things but ball playing and football he's very good !!
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Great signing with potential and if developed right another gem !! Liverpool really wasted his talents or at least didn't enhance them much and will undoubtedly be given opportunity at villa . played in the euro under 21 finals so many may remember him v England for example and he's also able to play left back . Basically he's an attacking and playmaking centre half something villa don't have . if I could compare him to a defender I would say David luiz but with a bit less razz ma taz . He likes to be forward and set up play and will join in attacks but probably not as flamboyant as David luiz. He's a solid defender who probably needs to be a bit more ready for the physicality side of the things but ball playing and football he's very good !!
David Luiz with less razz ma taz. You do have a way of describing players!
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This lad is a footballer ... watch the youtube clips and see why we have swapped Baker for a more cultured centre back. Keeps the ball well and good distribution even can thread a through ball.
He will be one to keep an eye on if he gets "game time" a real prospect.
Yeh, I didn't see any 60 yard cannons up the pitch. There is a time and place for that off course but its nice to see a defender passing it as his first choice.
If you were referring to Baker, surely you meant "60 yard cannons in to the Trinity Road & Witton Lane stands"?
By the sounds of it, Ilori might also be able to move into a defensive midfield position.
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If we play him and Richards together will there be times they both join the attack?
I really really like okore so I hope this doesn't spell the beginning of the end for him
Would be happy for any of them to play right back, but despite initial reservations I think Richards has been great at centre half. Really impressed
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If we play him and Richards together will there be times they both join the attack?
I really really like okore so I hope this doesn't spell the beginning of the end for him
Would be happy for any of them to play right back, but despite initial reservations I think Richards has been great at centre half. Really impressed
I hope not, too.
I do think Sherwood likes Okore, though, so I can't see him going anywhere.
Maybe Tim sees a future partnership of Okore and Ilori
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Okore has only just turned 23, still plenty of time on his side. Sherwood praised him last season for playing through injury, I think he's a fan.
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Great signing with potential and if developed right another gem !! Liverpool really wasted his talents or at least didn't enhance them much and will undoubtedly be given opportunity at villa . played in the euro under 21 finals so many may remember him v England for example and he's also able to play left back . Basically he's an attacking and playmaking centre half something villa don't have . if I could compare him to a defender I would say David luiz but with a bit less razz ma taz . He likes to be forward and set up play and will join in attacks but probably not as flamboyant as David luiz. He's a solid defender who probably needs to be a bit more ready for the physicality side of the things but ball playing and football he's very good !!
You do make me smile footy with your way of describing things and eternal optimism. And suggestions for whom we should buy, 90% of which are barking mad. Meant affectionately! Keep it up...
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agreed I love his posts, barking mad but with plenty of energy, compassion and eccentricity.
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Makes me smile anyway, and that can't be a bad thing can it?
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If we play him and Richards together will there be times they both join the attack?
I really really like okore so I hope this doesn't spell the beginning of the end for him
Would be happy for any of them to play right back, but despite initial reservations I think Richards has been great at centre half. Really impressed
I hope not, too.
I do think Sherwood likes Okore, though, so I can't see him going anywhere.
Maybe Tim sees a future partnership of Okore and Ilori
it won't spell the end for okore- he's the future. Given his injuries, I think this is a smart move, excellent cover for Okore when he's out and competition for him when they're all fit. First choice for me would be okore and Richards. You want a situation though where if we get injuries, any of the others are comfortable filling in.
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I wonder if Tim has signed him to play at right back? Heard he can play anywhere across the back line, so he may be our right back version of Amavi.
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he must have promised him first team action otherwise I don't think he would have joined ; one of the reasons he didn't go to Sunderland was a fear of lack of sufficient opportunity.
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Great signing with potential and if developed right another gem !! Liverpool really wasted his talents or at least didn't enhance them much and will undoubtedly be given opportunity at villa . played in the euro under 21 finals so many may remember him v England for example and he's also able to play left back . Basically he's an attacking and playmaking centre half something villa don't have . if I could compare him to a defender I would say David luiz but with a bit less razz ma taz . He likes to be forward and set up play and will join in attacks but probably not as flamboyant as David luiz. He's a solid defender who probably needs to be a bit more ready for the physicality side of the things but ball playing and football he's very good !!
David Luiz with less razz ma taz. You do have a way of describing players!
when we signed Okore, Pat Nevin described him as making David Luiz look like an old fashioned centre half :-) not sure he has lived up to that billing, but I do rate him
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A cheap, promising young player, who probably won't play much - but if he does and impresses then we have an option to sign. While our promising young player, who's under a long-contract goes out and gets games and hopefully either earns a move away for a profit, or proves his worth and comes back to cement a place.
Good move all round.
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Hmmm, I wonder what Tim's plan is for Crespo?
I like the idea of Ilori lining up with Lescott and having Richards and Amavi as marauding full backs. Maybe Tim wants to go three at the back to push Amavi further up the pitch? Who knows!
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Hmmm, I wonder what Tim's plan is for Crespo?
I like the idea of Ilori lining up with Lescott and having Richards and Amavi as marauding full backs. Maybe Tim wants to go three at the back to push Amavi further up the pitch? Who knows!
How about having Sanchez in there as the libero , sweeper or even his beloved westwoood!!
But in all seriousness I believe bringing llori in means there's adaptable and flexible ways villa can set up and play which develops the players and team we have. We obvs have the old guard Richards , senderos,lescott and Hutton - old as in prem experienced . we have Clark to add in there. Then we have crespo - the versatile squad member . now with llori, and okore have to ball playing forward thinking defenders. I think we have seen both Richards and Clark bring the ball out and carry move further forward. For sure I seen Clark do that several times after his error against Sunderland he wanted to make up and foray forwarded several times but the ball was played back to him. I was pleasantly surprised he being encouraged to do that.
So my thoughts are that against certain opposition , or at home certain defenders will be used or brought in. Depeden ing on system certainly that's my dream. I also feel llori will be used frequently as long as he does well due to fact he's being offered for 6-9 mil depending on appearances so lets say a min of 20 appperances including cup starts the fee at 6 hopefully see the boy fufil his potential.
I just don't want either a Toby ableiweilder situation if ,I expect, llori shows the prem league what he's about. Sherwood is familiar with his play from his own overseeing of youth development at Spurs and was keen to bring him in .
Definitely anothe player we can be excited about I just hope Sherwood is my running it like a youth development squad so the additions of players like lescott and Richards along with Cole being at club give the winning nous in squad needed.
Raz ma tazz indeed he will venture forward but also a calm head on young shoulders is another way to see things. Varane , Ferdinand , carvalho and Lucio for those who know him can be as good as them!
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There's a YouTube video of ilori v PSG
Didn't look brilliant I have to say. Quite weak looking.
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There's a YouTube video of ilori v PSG
Didn't look brilliant I have to say. Quite weak looking.
He's a bit slight which is why he could be an option against faster smaller forwards, or as others have said if he can play a bit then RB would be worth a try to balance us up a bit and keep teams pinned back a bit more. If he wants to ping it onto Traore as well I'm all for it!
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There's a YouTube video of ilori v PSG
Didn't look brilliant I have to say. Quite weak looking.
But there's also a number of other videos on YouTube that makes him look very competent and tidy. Depends which you choose to watch and how much based on just a couple of minutes you choose to believe.
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best way is to actually reserve judgement until people see him play for us
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It does make you wonder about Crespo. If Bacuna is ahead of him as a full back then can't see him getting much game time.
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There's a YouTube video of ilori v PSG
Didn't look brilliant I have to say. Quite weak looking.
But there's also a number of other videos on YouTube that makes him look very competent and tidy. Depends which you choose to watch and how much based on just a couple of minutes you choose to believe.
Fair enough. I just picked the first one I saw. Need to see him in the flesh as per above. But I like the increased muscularity and speed of lescott and Richards, plus amavi. He looks a v different player
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It does make you wonder about Crespo. If Bacuna is ahead of him as a full back then can't see him getting much game time.
Is Bacuna ahead of him? Perhaps as Crespo's injured Bacuna was in.
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I really think people need to chill about crespo. He cost half a million pounds, was relegated last year and the previous year couldn't get into a serie b team.
If he's better than that suggests then great. But I think he's squad filler
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Ilori had a very good Euro U21 in the summer where Portugal reached the final. He did pick up an injury that meant combined with his extended season, he only started training a couple of weeks ago, so he'll need to get up to speed before we see him near the squad. He's very fast, technically gifted and mobile but having played in France, where he had another injury and the Euros, he'll need some time too to adapt to the speed of the PL.
Apparently the price set to buy him should we choose is between £6m and £9m depending how many games he plays for us this season. He's no David Luiz, more Rio Ferdinand without the duckface.
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all well and good but he is tainted goods,
I don't like anything that is Liverpool,never have ,never will
Dean Saunders
Ray Houghton
Steve Staunton
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Just realised it's an I not an l. So I will change my comment to I'd rather we signed Ilori Clinton*
* I know nothing about this player
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From This is Anfield. He's going to fit right in here!
Joining as an inexperience 20-year-old, successive seasons on loan with Granada and Bordeaux were to be expected, but injury problems persisted in both 2013/14 and 2014/15, ensuring that Ilori made just 21 league appearances over the two campaigns.
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I'm really concerned how many non white players we're signing. Hitler and the EDL would be rightly appalled.
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Ilori had a very good Euro U21 in the summer where Portugal reached the final. He did pick up an injury that meant combined with his extended season, he only started training a couple of weeks ago, so he'll need to get up to speed before we see him near the squad. He's very fast, technically gifted and mobile[b/] but having played in France, where he had another injury and the Euros, he'll need some time too to adapt to the speed of the PL.
Apparently the price set to buy him should we choose is between £6m and £9m depending how many games he plays for us this season. He's no David Luiz, more Rio Ferdinand[b/] without the duckface.
Does not compute!
(Ho ho)
edit: crappy joke/formatting fail, sorry. It was the concept of the words: Rio, Ferdinand, very fast, technically gifted and mobile being used in context with each other that I was struggling with. The ho ho was real, though - not having a go.
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Attacking minded defender like David luiz as well as Rio, Lucio , carvalho, plays the ball and forays forward . if anything he's a cross between luiz and varane.
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At least we have another player who could play rb .
This is a great signing.
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He's quite quick isn't he? Does sound like he's worth trying at right back
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He's quite quick isn't he? Does sound like he's worth trying at right back
Fixed.
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He's quite quick isn't he? Does sound like he's worth trying at right back
Fixed.
Not really, he does look like he'd make a good full back, he's good with the ball at his feet, passes well, likes to step forward out of defence, is good at sweeping behind other defenders (which is the skill that a lot of fullbacks lack) and, as Matt said, he's really quick. Looking at him I think it's well worth a try, if he can cross a ball he could make a very good option at fullback for a year or two whilst he gets settled with the club and up to speed in the league.
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Yeah. So there!
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Don't know what you guys think but I wonder if it's worth playing him at right-back. Just a thought
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I watched another one of those vids on the way to work, think it was v St etienne
He was pretty poor again. Must be watching the wrong ones!
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This right back thing. I don't get it. Hutton/Bacuna may look weak compared with the rest of the defence at this point but doesn't strike me as a pressing concern. There are plenty of worse full backs in the league than both of them. Also, TS seems like the least likely manager in the world to play a converted centre back at full back even accounting for his unpredictability.
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If Sherwood wanted a right back, I wonder why he didn't sign, er, a right back?
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Don't know what you guys think but I wonder if it's worth playing him at right-back. Just a thought
Brilliant idea damon.
Surprised no-one else has mentioned it.
:D
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You are all barking up the wrong arbre. He has bought Matija Sarkic to play right back. Slightly smaller but a dead ringer for Alan Wright.
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Quite a few young ball-playing CBs get introduced into the team at FB where inexperience is not tested as much as at CB.
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This right back thing. I don't get it. Hutton/Bacuna may look weak compared with the rest of the defence at this point but doesn't strike me as a pressing concern. There are plenty of worse full backs in the league than both of them. Also, TS seems like the least likely manager in the world to play a converted centre back at full back even accounting for his unpredictability.
It's a concern for me as both of those two simply aren't very good. I'm not too fussed whether there are worse in the division it doesn't make them any better. That's just my opinion though, you probably rate them higher than I do.
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I wouldn't have a problem with Okore at Right full back- he is quick and can distribute the ball well. Haven't seen him beyond the halfway line much but if Richards wants to bomb forward centrally Okore could cover at the back. It would seem that we could be in a very comfortable position of having quality cover for each player, whatever their position.
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I wouldn't have a problem with Okore at Right full back- he is quick and can distribute the ball well. Haven't seen him beyond the halfway line much but if Richards wants to bomb forward centrally Okore could cover at the back. It would seem that we could be in a very comfortable position of having quality cover for each player, whatever their position.
Exactly, with Ilori we have another defender who looks like he can play anywhere along the back line.
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This Ilori bloke, does anyone think he is worth trialling at Right Back? And for old times sake, why did Ashley Young take....
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This Ilori bloke, does anyone think he is worth trialling at Right Back? And for old times sake, why did Ashley Young take....
right back you say!!!! hhmmmmm interesting thought
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I wouldn't have a problem with Okore at Right full back- he is quick and can distribute the ball well. Haven't seen him beyond the halfway line much but if Richards wants to bomb forward centrally Okore could cover at the back. It would seem that we could be in a very comfortable position of having quality cover for each player, whatever their position.
Playing with three at the back has always made me nervous but we have some decent combinations to try out, IMO.
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This Ilori bloke, does anyone think he is worth trialling at Right Back? And for old times sake, why did Ashley Young take....
right back you say!!!! hhmmmmm interesting thought
It's a crazy idea...but it just might work.
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I was thinking about our right-back dilemma when I think I planted the seed of this new H&V series by asking 'Is he right-footed?'
I'm deeply sorry.
Yours, Derren Brown.
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You put your foot right in it.
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You put your foot right in it.
Innit.
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From the OS:
Tim Sherwood believes Tiago Ilori could become a top-class holding midfielder for Villa - but stressed that versatility meant he was an asset in a variety of positions.
Ilori, a deadline-day season-long loan from Liverpool, has been seen in the past as a centre-half.
Sherwood accepts this notion but thinks there's much more to the Portugal international than that specific role.
He told AVTV: "Tiago is a player I have known since he's been at the academy at Sporting Lisbon. He's a player I have known for a long time.
"I wouldn't have taken him on loan if there wasn't an opportunity to buy him at the end of it. I am not interested in developing players for other clubs. I am interested in developing for ourselves.
"If he becomes what I think he can be, he's a good buy at the money we're talking about.
"He's quick and elegant. He's played in four different countries, when you include England. He's had a good rounded development.
"He's very composed on the ball and versatile.
"He can play right-back, centre-back and I see him playing holding midfield as well.
"He's a development project and someone I am very excited to work with."
Sherwood compared the 22-year-old with Liverpool's Emre Can, who has seen action in a series of different positions for the men from Anfield.
And the manager said that versatility is a help not a hindrance for a professional footballer.
He added: "I see him like an Emre Can. He's been successful playing in every position.
"A lot of people say that if you don't nail down one position, it's detrimental to your career. I don't believe that. I believe it gives you the chance to play more minutes.
"I think he could be an exceptional player. He's not there yet. But he's in the right place."
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Key statement, especially the bit at the end
"I wouldn't have taken him on loan if there wasn't an opportunity to buy him at the end of it. I am not interested in developing players for other clubs. I am interested in developing for ourselves.
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I like this manager more and more - now if he could win us 3 derbies in 10 days...........
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He certainly talks a great game. Compared to the last four or five managers, it's refreshing to actually think, yup, that makes sense.
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Reading that, I couldn't help but be transported to a parallel universe;
"A holding-midfield or -as I like to call it- a number 6".
Shudder.
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Yep, that stood out. Probably why we didn't bring players like James Wilson in on loan too.
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I don't have a clue why but I have a really good feeling about Ilori. He looks very composed for a young kid in the clips i've seen and wants to play the game the right way. Doesn't appear to panic as much as we have seen from Baker or Clark on occasion. Off course the PL is a step up so it will be interesting to see how this all pans out.
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Reading that, I couldn't help but be transported to a parallel universe;
"A holding-midfield or -as I like to call it- a number 6".
Shudder.
Lambolingo emptiness.
Reminds me of Butthead. "Number 1 go and do a Number 2".
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Key statement, especially the bit at the end
"I wouldn't have taken him on loan if there wasn't an opportunity to buy him at the end of it. I am not interested in developing players for other clubs. I am interested in developing for ourselves.
I really like that statement.
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Watching the interview on avtv, i was surprised to hear he's got a cockney accent. British dad. Ilori. Not Sherwood.
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He was born down in that there London.
Liverpoooool Echo
On-loan Liverpool defender Tiago Ilori says he was “relieved” to move Aston Villa on loan, and that he is happy he will finally get a chance to play in the Premier League.
Ilori was a £7m signing at Anfield in the summer of 2013, but is yet to make a competitive first-team appearance for the Reds.
The Portuguese Under-21 international moved to the Midlands on a season-long loan, with Villa having the option to buy the defender.
Liverpool banked a £1m fee from Ilori’s temporary switch to Villa Park with a future fee between £6m and £9m possible depending on the number of appearances he makes.
Ilori, who has been handed the no.2 shirt, has spoken of his relief at Tim Sherwood’s desire to bring him to Villa as he gets set to play in England’s top-flight.
He told AVTV: “It was all last-minute so I’m relieved that I had such a good option and I’m very happy to be here. I can’t say I know everything about Aston Villa’s history but I know that they’re a very stable team.
“It’s always been a dream of mine to play in the Premier League and that’s why I signed for Liverpool in the first place. I’m very happy that Aston Villa are hopefully going to give me that chance.”
The 22-year-old, who rejected the opportunity to move to Sunderland on loan before settling on Villa, was an unused substitute on three occasions for Liverpool.
The London-born defender, who was signed from Sporting Lisbon, was also sent on loan to Granada and Bordeaux over the past two years.
The centre back says he is looking forward to continuing his education under new boss Tim Sherwood.
“I know about Tim Sherwood especially,” he added.
“He has a reputation of grooming young players and that’s one of the main reasons why I’m excited to be working with him.”
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Watching the interview on avtv, i was surprised to hear he's got a cockney accent. British dad. Ilori. Not Sherwood.
that caught me off guard as well. I watched the YouTube clips, saw the country he played and the clubs prior to Liverpool. Expected some Johnny Foreigner accent and I ended up with some kid from south of Watford.
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He has a reputation of grooming young players
Operation Yewtree is on the phone as we speak...
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Watching the interview on avtv, i was surprised to hear he's got a cockney accent. British dad. Ilori. Not Sherwood.
that caught me off guard as well. I watched the YouTube clips, saw the country he played and the clubs prior to Liverpool. Expected some Johnny Foreigner accent and I ended up with some kid from south of Watford.
The one that caught me off guard years ago was an interview with Christian Vieri. I didn't know he was brought up in Australia so I was expecting to hear an Italian accent rather than the broad Aussie.
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Key statement, especially the bit at the end
"I wouldn't have taken him on loan if there wasn't an opportunity to buy him at the end of it. I am not interested in developing players for other clubs. I am interested in developing for ourselves.
I really like that statement.
I've been saying it for 5 years or more on here with most people disagreeing so it's music to my ears. No more Kyle Walker type signings whilst Timmos in charge.
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I haven't got a problem with it. There's a massive gap between us and the top teams, so whilst the opportunity exists we should take advantage.
Admittedly loaning from the top clubs abroad is the best solution however they don't seem to stock pile players in the same way.
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There's no point in developing a top club's young players for them if it gets you from 13th place to 9th place, I think. But if having one or two of them is the difference between 18th and 14th, and you can't afford to buy a player who gets you that jump, then swallow your pride and do it. I do like that we're backing ourselves to not be in that position, and therefore able to limit ourselves only to those loanees who we might be able to keep if they progress sufficiently.
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Key statement, especially the bit at the end
"I wouldn't have taken him on loan if there wasn't an opportunity to buy him at the end of it. I am not interested in developing players for other clubs. I am interested in developing for ourselves.
I really like that statement.
I've been saying it for 5 years or more on here with most people disagreeing so it's music to my ears. No more Kyle Walker type signings whilst Timmos in charge.
Really? Most people disagreed that it would be better for Villa to develop players for them to use rather than for other teams to use?
That doesn't sound too much like something you'd often see on a Villa forum to me.
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Never seen a post against bringing on and keeping our own. Bit of shadow boxing there I think.
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Key statement, especially the bit at the end
"I wouldn't have taken him on loan if there wasn't an opportunity to buy him at the end of it. I am not interested in developing players for other clubs. I am interested in developing for ourselves.
I really like that statement.
I've been saying it for 5 years or more on here with most people disagreeing so it's music to my ears. No more Kyle Walker type signings whilst Timmos in charge.
Really? Most people disagreed that it would be better for Villa to develop players for them to use rather than for other teams to use?
That doesn't sound too much like something you'd often see on a Villa forum to me.
In an ideal world then of course we wouldn't want to develop players for other clubs. That said, Kyle Walker was actually a pretty integral part of our rise to safety that season, so I'm glad that we did take him, even if it was on loan.
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I haven't got a problem with it. There's a massive gap between us and the top teams, so whilst the opportunity exists we should take advantage.
Admittedly loaning from the top clubs abroad is the best solution however they don't seem to stock pile players in the same way.
I don't have a problem with loans of reasonably established players who just aren't getting a game but loans of 18-22 year olds who've barely played a game at this level when we have kids of our own who need a chance just doesn't seem right to me, unless there's a fee agreed before hand (as is the case here).
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Personally, I think Premier League sides should be prevented from loaning players in.
The amount of money sloshing around in the league, there should be no need for it. Loaning players out to lower league sides is fine, but I'd like to see a stop to what Chelsea are doing, by limiting how many players you can loan out.
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This whole farce could be stopped overnight - loans can only be to clubs at a lower level, no player can be loaned in the window where he's bought, nor spend more than half the length of a contract on loan.
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Key statement, especially the bit at the end
"I wouldn't have taken him on loan if there wasn't an opportunity to buy him at the end of it. I am not interested in developing players for other clubs. I am interested in developing for ourselves.
I really like that statement.
I've been saying it for 5 years or more on here with most people disagreeing so it's music to my ears. No more Kyle Walker type signings whilst Timmos in charge.
Really? Most people disagreed that it would be better for Villa to develop players for them to use rather than for other teams to use?
That doesn't sound too much like something you'd often see on a Villa forum to me.
I specifically remember you championing the move for Walker, whilst I said he'd be here for 4 months training and then in the Spurs team, and yes that's what happened.
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Key statement, especially the bit at the end
"I wouldn't have taken him on loan if there wasn't an opportunity to buy him at the end of it. I am not interested in developing players for other clubs. I am interested in developing for ourselves.
I really like that statement.
I've been saying it for 5 years or more on here with most people disagreeing so it's music to my ears. No more Kyle Walker type signings whilst Timmos in charge.
Really? Most people disagreed that it would be better for Villa to develop players for them to use rather than for other teams to use?
That doesn't sound too much like something you'd often see on a Villa forum to me.
I specifically remember you championing the move for Walker, whilst I said he'd be here for 4 months training and then in the Spurs team, and yes that's what happened.
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That wasn't nailed on at all though.
He was third choice right back at the time at Tottingham, and Walker said himself a month into the loan deal that he'd be happy to stay at Villa if the clubs could sort out a fee.
He then got in the England team, and that was that.
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Key statement, especially the bit at the end
"I wouldn't have taken him on loan if there wasn't an opportunity to buy him at the end of it. I am not interested in developing players for other clubs. I am interested in developing for ourselves.
I really like that statement.
I've been saying it for 5 years or more on here with most people disagreeing so it's music to my ears. No more Kyle Walker type signings whilst Timmos in charge.
Really? Most people disagreed that it would be better for Villa to develop players for them to use rather than for other teams to use?
That doesn't sound too much like something you'd often see on a Villa forum to me.
I specifically remember you championing the move for Walker, whilst I said he'd be here for 4 months training and then in the Spurs team, and yes that's what happened.
That's a strangely specific memory that you have. I certainly wasn't 'championing' his signing, as I barely had the first idea of who Kyle Walker was in January 2011.
I did say this:
If he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first team or Barcelona want him to replace Dani Alves when he goes to Man City then he must have a brilliant job for us and we've stayed up with plenty to spare.
Which to me looks to be precisely what happened. Your main complaint on the same thread seems to be that "if the press are to be beleived most of the deals we are looking at are loans", which was a bit unfounded as the following week we doubled our record transfer fee ;)
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Well, whatever your take on the loan market it sounds like Timmo is not keen unless there is a deal set out for us at the end, which is good news as far as I'm concerned. We have a decent size squad now anyway with lots of potential so there shouldn't be the need anyway.
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Well, whatever your take on the loan market it sounds like Timmo is not keen unless there is a deal set out for us at the end, which is good news as far as I'm concerned. We have a decent size squad now anyway with lots of potential so there shouldn't be the need anyway.
Yup, agreed on all counts.
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The only standard loans we should consider are ones like the Keane loan which gave us a short term fix to a gap in the squad which should've given us time to scout a longer term solution, Adebayor would've been in that category so I'd have accepted it.
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I'm not saying we'd have gone down without walker or cleverley. But the margins were right in both years and the replacements were much worse
Nobody wants to develop a player for other teams. But I'd take it every time if it was the difference between relegation or not. Sturridge kept Bolton up.
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I know what you're saying but that's like choosing between being punched in the face or kicked in the balls. A hypothetical scenario where we stay up narrowly every season by relying on grudging loanees from teams I hate is my idea of football hell.
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Can he play left back?
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As he been injured?
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As he been injured?
Apparently, and he still is
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does he actually exist?
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No.
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He's just going to be one of those that plays a few games here and there and is continually injured isn't he?
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does he actually exist?
Not according to the OS player profile list.
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does he actually exist?
No, he's a Regen.
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As he been injured?
Apparently, and he still is
He must be a good player then, shame
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He came, we didn't see him and now he's going apparently....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12076557/Aston-Villa-to-scrap-Tiago-Iloris-loan-deal-and-send-him-back-to-Liverpool.html
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does he actually exist?
Not according to the OS player profile list.
He's always been on there. (Not sure if you were joking)
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So close, but so far.....Would of loved to put one over the redscouse
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Sums up the season really.
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You just know wherever he ends up, he'll look like a world beater and we'll all be banging our heads off another wall.
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Lol euro 16 squad by seasons end after becoming a star performer under Klopp. You could predict it now
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Another good bit of business, well done Aston Villa! Only one million pounds wasted for zero return. You couldn't make it up.
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Our coaching staff failed to turn him into shit.
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only because he was always injured
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If he can't even get into the squad of this shit Villa team he must be bad.
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yet Liverpool invested £6m in him!
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I think we're doing this more with a view to some line signings coming in. Can only have so many in the Prem so whether he could become a good player has become a moot point at the moment.
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Worked out well.
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I think we're doing this more with a view to some line signings coming in. Can only have so many in the Prem so whether he could become a good player has become a moot point at the moment.
Agreed. Just two, isn't it? No point in tying up 50% of it with someone who may not be fit enough to contribute, irrespective of how good they might be. If Garde believes there's still hope, he should get every chance. Also, the manner in which we perform from now could influence who we can get in over the summer. Looking like we're heading in the right direction will make us a much more attractive proposition than looking like we're dead in the water with no way back.
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Yet another awful signing.
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File under Cooper, Staas
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You just know wherever he ends up, he'll look like a world beater and we'll all be banging our heads off another wall.
A bloke not good enough for a poor Liverpool team and the worst Villa team in my lifetime isn't likely to suddenly become a world beater.
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I wouldn't say he's been an awful signing, he didn't cost us millions. It just hasn't worked out and we can now send him back. Not sure what the problem is really.
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yet Liverpool invested £6m in him!
Who was in charge of Liverpool transfers when they did that?
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Well we signed a player on loan who hasn't even kicked a ball for us so we're sending him back. I'm pretty sure we paid him decent money to do absolutely nothing as well.
So yeah, another awful signing.
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Frees up the squad place for Sissokho.
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I wouldn't say he's been an awful signing, he didn't cost us millions. It just hasn't worked out and we can now send him back. Not sure what the problem is really.
It's an awful signing, unless you think basically setting fire to a million quid is a good deal.
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I wouldn't say he's been an awful signing, he didn't cost us millions. It just hasn't worked out and we can now send him back. Not sure what the problem is really.
It's an awful signing, unless you think basically setting fire to a million quid is a good deal.
Yes it is. Yet another example of penny-pinching and of how embarrassingly low we've sunk that we can't even afford a working crystal ball.
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I've seen him play in a couple of the reserves,
I like him, looks comfortable as a player certainly no worse them what we have at the back now.
That said a comfortable defender and a striker that can score.
It's obvious that we wouldn't try them. ;)
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Things can't be that bad. I haven't seen a reference to 'this once great club' in the last few posts.
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A loan signing that didn't work out. It's hardly the end of the world.
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A total head scratcher. We'd signed a whole new team already and then decided to loan in a kid from Liverpool. It's a bit bizarre but you'd expect nothing less from the Villa. We've done daft things as far as transfers go for years. Who hasn't of course, but we're up there.
Rank alongside Drobny, Bartelt, Ghrayib and many others I've probably repressed by now.
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A loan signing that didn't work out. It's hardly the end of the world.
Nobody claimed it was the end of the world just that it was yet again another shite signing by the Villa.
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A loan signing that didn't work out. It's hardly the end of the world.
Who said that? We set fire to another pile of money, bad move.
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A loan signing that didn't work out. It's hardly the end of the world.
Nobody claimed it was the end of the world just that it was yet again another shite signing by the Villa.
And people are going on about it like shite signings are somehow an Aston Villa thing, and that no other club does it. Which couldn't be further from the truth.
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A loan signing that didn't work out. It's hardly the end of the world.
Nobody claimed it was the end of the world just that it was yet again another shite signing by the Villa.
And people are going on about it like shite signings are somehow an Aston Villa thing, and that no other club does it. Which couldn't be further from the truth.
Oh of course not and you're absolutely right. It's just that other clubs aren't rock bottom of the PL and heading for relegation after making these type of shite signings for the best part of 5 years and more. It would be foolish to think it was just an Aston Villa thing.
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Very odd one. He clearly has potential yet two managers including the one who told us he signed him because it was a 'no-brainer', deemed him not good enough to make the match day squad.
Anyway, as others have mentioned the bigger immediate issue is it frees up another Premier League loan so we can partner Remy with Benteke.
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Unfortunately SH there are numerous other reasons why we are bottom of the PL. I certainly don't put it down to players alone and I actually think the players we signed this season are decent, and some very good. That I hope will prove itself over time even if in the short term we are relegated. They might need to start fresh and clear of the pressures of this season for them develop any kind of chemistry and confidence.
The incompetency shown in managerial appointments, and then compounded by the decisions made by those managers, compounded by some of the unnecessary long term contracts we have handed out have been far more punishing than the actual signings we have made over the years. In fact I would argue that the money Lerner has allowed to be spent since MON was sufficient if spent consistently with a plan to allow us never to be in the situation we have found ourselves over the last few years. Leicester have shown that you don't multi million pound signings and £100k per week wages to be effective in this league. We've bounced from one ill thought out strategy to the next. In fact calling them strategies at all is an insult to the word strategy.
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A loan signing that didn't work out. It's hardly the end of the world.
Nobody claimed it was the end of the world just that it was yet again another shite signing by the Villa.
And people are going on about it like shite signings are somehow an Aston Villa thing, and that no other club does it. Which couldn't be further from the truth.
I think this is one of the things we excell at. This is why we are bottom of the 92 team league.
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Unfortunately SH there are numerous other reasons why we are bottom of the PL. I certainly don't put it down to players alone and I actually think the players we signed this season are decent, and some very good. That I hope will prove itself over time even if in the short term we are relegated. They might need to start fresh and clear of the pressures of this season them develop any kind of chemistry and confidence.
The incompetency shown in managerial appointments, and then compounded by the decisions made by those managers, compounded by some of the unnecessary long term contracts we have handed out have been far more punishing than the actual signings we have made over the years. In fact I would argue that the money Lerner has allowed to be spent since MON was sufficient if spent consistently with a plan to allow us never to be in the situation we have found ourselves over the last few years. Leicester have shown that you don't multi million pound signings and £100k per week wages to be effective in this league. We've bounced from one I'll thought out strategy to the next. In fact calling them strategies at all is an insult to the word strategy.
Agree with all that. It's been a combination of things, not just poor signings. As for Illori, he just doesn't fit in with Garde's plans.
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A loan signing that didn't work out. It's hardly the end of the world.
Nobody claimed it was the end of the world just that it was yet again another shite signing by the Villa.
And people are going on about it like shite signings are somehow an Aston Villa thing, and that no other club does it. Which couldn't be further from the truth.
I think this is one of the things we excell at. This is why we are bottom of the 92 team league.
Bottom of what 92 team league?
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How any one can suggest that a huge part of the problem is not because of the players that have been playing for the first X1 is mind bogging lay crazy. Only Jack Grealish is a regular that did not get signed.
We have the worst them in the League made up of players we signed, it's that simple.
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How any one can suggest that a huge part of the problem is not because of the players that have been playing for the first X1 is mind bogging lay crazy. Only Jack Grealish is a regular that did not get signed.
We have the worst them in the League made up of players we signed, it's that simple.
Has anyone suggested that the players are not a part of the problem?
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It could be that he does not want to sign for us if we are relegated. If so, no point in continuing with the loan. Alternatively, we see £7m as being to high a price going into the Championship.
Clearly, injuries have had a big impact on this loan and he has not been able to get any continuity in playing.
The loan looked a good idea at the time but circumstances have changed and injuries couldn't have been predicted.
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Bottom of what 92 team league?
Haha...If you remove the divisions and make a table of 92 we are bottom because of only 8 points. However with 5 games in hand over Yeovil who only have 14 from 24 we are in with a shout of being the second worst!
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Bottom of what 92 team league?
Haha...If you remove the divisions and make a table of 92 we are bottom because of only 8 points. However with 5 games in hand over Yeovil who only have 14 from 24 we are in with a shout of being the second worst!
Bottom over 2015 across all 4 leagues and worst points toll in a year of any Villa team except a year when we only played 28 games.
These records just keep on comming, and we have another half season and a brand new year to set some more.Hip Hip
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Bottom of what 92 team league?
Haha...If you remove the divisions and make a table of 92 we are bottom because of only 8 points. However with 5 games in hand over Yeovil who only have 14 from 24 we are in with a shout of being the second worst!
Bottom over 2015 across all 4 leagues and worst points toll in a year of any Villa team except a year when we only played 28 games.
These records just keep on comming, and we have another half season and a brand new year to set some more.Hip Hip
Yes because it works like that, and we are in one league. You can literally make stats out of anything and any circumstance if you want to be miserable enough. I mean why limit it to the 92 clubs and go to Europe and include South Anerican clubs too. I bet we are super duper extra shit.
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Bottom of what 92 team league?
Haha...If you remove the divisions and make a table of 92 we are bottom because of only 8 points. However with 5 games in hand over Yeovil who only have 14 from 24 we are in with a shout of being the second worst!
Bottom over 2015 across all 4 leagues and worst points toll in a year of any Villa team except a year when we only played 28 games.
These records just keep on comming, and we have another half season and a brand new year to set some more.Hip Hip
Yes because it works like that, and we are in one league. You can literally make stats out of anything and any circumstance if you want to be miserable enough. I mean why limit it to the 92 clubs and go to Europe and include South Anerican clubs too. I bet we are super duper extra shit.
That would mean research, I got all these stats off this site.
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Bottom of what 92 team league?
Haha...If you remove the divisions and make a table of 92 we are bottom because of only 8 points. However with 5 games in hand over Yeovil who only have 14 from 24 we are in with a shout of being the second worst!
Bottom over 2015 across all 4 leagues and worst points toll in a year of any Villa team except a year when we only played 28 games.
These records just keep on comming, and we have another half season and a brand new year to set some more.Hip Hip
Yes because it works like that, and we are in one league. You can literally make stats out of anything and any circumstance if you want to be miserable enough. I mean why limit it to the 92 clubs and go to Europe and include South Anerican clubs too. I bet we are super duper extra shit.
I wouldn't say making a league out of all the English sides is stretching it that much. And managing to finish bottom of that league is a special kind of shit. 2015 is arguably the worst year in the history of Aston Villa.
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It's a nonsense statistic.
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Of course it isn't. A league of leagues is pretty straightforward and if Blues or Albion were at the bottom we'd all be having a good laugh at their expense.
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Of course it isn't. A league of leagues is pretty straightforward and if Blues or Albion were at the bottom we'd all be having a good laugh at their expense.
it's nonsense because not every club plays each other. Or are you saying that if we did play every club in this hypothetical 92 team league we'd be bottom? Because, and just my opinion, that would be the most nonsensical thing ever considered on here and we've had some doozies.
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It highlights how relentlessly shit our results have been. Someone pin it to Tom Fox's forehead.
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Of course it isn't. A league of leagues is pretty straightforward and if Blues or Albion were at the bottom we'd all be having a good laugh at their expense.
it's nonsense because not every club plays each other. Or are you saying that if we did play every club in this hypothetical 92 team league we'd be bottom? Because, and just my opinion, that would be the most nonsensical thing ever considered on here and we've had some doozies.
It's not nonsense at all to have a list of wins, draws and losses of all the teams in the English league and assemble them into a "league" so you can look at comparative performance. Of course it is only symbolic, of course it doesn't mean we're a weaker team than someone like Aldershot, the combined squad value of whom would probably be less than one of Villa's ball boys. It's a symbolic league but it effectively illustrates how literally shit we are.
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Of course it isn't. A league of leagues is pretty straightforward and if Blues or Albion were at the bottom we'd all be having a good laugh at their expense.
it's nonsense because not every club plays each other. Or are you saying that if we did play every club in this hypothetical 92 team league we'd be bottom? Because, and just my opinion, that would be the most nonsensical thing ever considered on here and we've had some doozies.
It's not nonsense at all to have a list of wins, draws and losses of all the teams in the English league and assemble them into a "league" so you can look at comparative performance. Of course it is only symbolic, of course it doesn't mean we're a weaker team than someone like Aldershot, the combined squad value of whom would probably be less than one of Villa's ball boys. It's a symbolic league but it effectively illustrates how literally shit we are.
You think we could beat Aldershot? Steady on now. ;)
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It's a nonsense statistic.
It's a statistic therefore it is!
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It highlights how relentlessly shit our results have been. Someone pin it to Tom Fox's forehead.
How about we staple it?
Maybe use an AK47 just to make sure he gets the message?
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A loan signing that didn't work out. It's hardly the end of the world.
Who said that? We set fire to another pile of money, bad move.
We took a low risk punt that was weighted in our favour and has cost us an amount, that whilst eye watering for I'll guess all of us, is loose change in the context of football finances.
If we'd paid the £7M up front and got stuck with £20-40K per week over 4 years, then it would have been a bad move.
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Current circumstances mean no point using a loan space on an untried CB
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A loan signing that didn't work out. It's hardly the end of the world.
Who said that? We set fire to another pile of money, bad move.
We took a low risk punt that was weighted in our favour and has cost us an amount, that whilst eye watering for I'll guess all of us, is loose change in the context of football finances.
If we'd paid the £7M up front and got stuck with £20-40K per week over 4 years, then it would have been a bad move.
Yep. If ever there was a moan for the sake of it, it was this one.
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Current circumstances mean no point using a loan space on an untried CB
Precisely. It's quite conceivable that if we didn't have pressing needs elsewhere and if making permanent moves wasn't going to be such a challenge given our predicament we'd have kept Ilori.
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Of course it isn't. A league of leagues is pretty straightforward and if Blues or Albion were at the bottom we'd all be having a good laugh at their expense.
it's nonsense because not every club plays each other. Or are you saying that if we did play every club in this hypothetical 92 team league we'd be bottom? Because, and just my opinion, that would be the most nonsensical thing ever considered on here and we've had some doozies.
It's not nonsense at all to have a list of wins, draws and losses of all the teams in the English league and assemble them into a "league" so you can look at comparative performance. Of course it is only symbolic, of course it doesn't mean we're a weaker team than someone like Aldershot, the combined squad value of whom would probably be less than one of Villa's ball boys. It's a symbolic league but it effectively illustrates how literally shit we are.
It's not symbolic of anything. Unless all sides are able to play all of the other sides it just becomes a list of teams and points and has little value beyond that. You might as well throw in the conference, sides in Greece, Faroes, Ireland into it while your at it. We would still be near the bottom because of our points total which wouldn't change. The only league table of any value is the one we are in as it shows clearly how poor we have been against competition who are playing the same sides as we are.
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A loan signing that didn't work out. It's hardly the end of the world.
Who said that? We set fire to another pile of money, bad move.
We took a low risk punt that was weighted in our favour and has cost us an amount, that whilst eye watering for I'll guess all of us, is loose change in the context of football finances.
If we'd paid the £7M up front and got stuck with £20-40K per week over 4 years, then it would have been a bad move.
That wouldn't be a bad move, that would be a bloody terrible one. Spending a million or two is a bad move in anyones book, apart from maybe Lerners, where it qualifies as an ok move.
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Circumstances in the summer were different to what they are now, so we need a different type of player. In the normal course of events you'd go for Ilori over, say, Senderos or Cissokho every time but these are not normal times. We haven't got five months to see whether a promising youngster might be worth buying in the summer, we need someone right now.
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A loan signing that didn't work out. It's hardly the end of the world.
Who said that? We set fire to another pile of money, bad move.
We took a low risk punt that was weighted in our favour and has cost us an amount, that whilst eye watering for I'll guess all of us, is loose change in the context of football finances.
If we'd paid the £7M up front and got stuck with £20-40K per week over 4 years, then it would have been a bad move.
That wouldn't be a bad move, that would be a bloody terrible one. Spending a million or two is a bad move in anyones book, apart from maybe Lerners, where it qualifies as an ok move.
The blue bit is real life and the red bit is the world of football that you have to hold this up against. Unless you genuinely believe that any transfer policy should deliver a 100% success rate.
Would it have been better not to sign him? Well in hindsight Sherwood describing his signing as a no brainer should have set the alarm bells ringing, but to attempt to be serious for 30 seconds, maybe he could have been the utility player we needed and injuries have scuppered that, so we now can't afford to have another player with a huge question mark over them.
By the way "Spending a million or two is a bad move in anyones book, apart from maybe Lerners, where it qualifies as an ok move."
can get you on saunders_heroes hit list you know. You need to spend much more than that.
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I think your missing the point, it isn't the fact it has cost a million or hasn't worked out, its the fact he has never been fit that is shameful.
Questions need to be asked was he unfit when he was brought into the Club?
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I think your missing the point, it isn't the fact it has cost a million or hasn't worked out, its the fact he has never been fit that is shameful.
Questions need to be asked was he unfit when he was brought into the Club?
That wasn't the point made. The point made was exclusively about the money.
From recollection he was one of a number that "picked up a niggle" during pre season and was never seen again. Regardless he passed a medical, which I'm guessing are fairly standard exercises as big part of the reason for the medical is insurance coverage.
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Of course it isn't. A league of leagues is pretty straightforward and if Blues or Albion were at the bottom we'd all be having a good laugh at their expense.
it's nonsense because not every club plays each other. Or are you saying that if we did play every club in this hypothetical 92 team league we'd be bottom? Because, and just my opinion, that would be the most nonsensical thing ever considered on here and we've had some doozies.
No, what that statistic (and table) shows is that of the 94 clubs considered, we had the lowest points per match return over a period of one calendar year of all of them.
If you approach it as some sort of proof that Aldershot or Small Heath are miles better than us because theirs is higher, then no, of course it doesn't have any value, but that's really not the point, is it? The point is that it is really pretty fucking shocking, as it shows just how abysmal we have been.
I think a lot of us are at risk of entering a new stage of denial at the moment, trying to convince ourselves that actually, getting relegated isn't horrible, or that children dying of cancer is "awful", relegation isn't (as if people aren't actually just talking in the context of football in the first place), or having less than 10 points at Christmas isn't humiliatingly embarrassing - I reckon we are going to see plenty of that in the approaching weeks and months.
The fact is, though - and it is a fact - our performance has been statistically horrific for a long time now. You just can not escape some of the statistics that follow us around.
In fact, if I had to think of one really impressive thing about this whole club over the last five years, it would be that somehow - and honestly, fuck knows how we have managed this - we haven't actually already been relegated.
if I didn't support this club, I'd look at us and think, fuck me, what do they offer to the league? I'd be dying for us to go down, just like I would Newcastle and Sunderland, two other clubs which - coincidentally sharing remote, disinterested owners - look like they need condemning.
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Of course it isn't. A league of leagues is pretty straightforward and if Blues or Albion were at the bottom we'd all be having a good laugh at their expense.
it's nonsense because not every club plays each other. Or are you saying that if we did play every club in this hypothetical 92 team league we'd be bottom? Because, and just my opinion, that would be the most nonsensical thing ever considered on here and we've had some doozies.
No, what that statistic (and table) shows is that of the 94 clubs considered, we had the lowest points per match return over a period of one calendar year of all of them.
If you approach it as some sort of proof that Aldershot or Small Heath are miles better than us because theirs is higher, then no, of course it doesn't have any value, but that's really not the point, is it? The point is that it is really pretty fucking shocking.
I think a lot of us are at risk of entering a new stage of denial at the moment, trying to convince ourselves that actually, getting relegated isn't horrible, or having less than 10 points at Christmas isn't humiliatingly embarassing - I reckon we are going to see plenty of that in the approaching weeks and months.
The fact is, though - and it is a fact - our performance has been statistically horrific for a long time now.
In fact, if I had to think of one really impressive thing about this whole club over the last five years, it would be that somehow - and honestly, fuck knows how we have managed this - we haven't actually already been relegated.
The table is utterly irrelevant as a statical measure of anything. The only table that matters in the PL table. Showing that we 8 points versus Yeovil who have 14 is completely meaningless unless Yeovil have either played the same teams as us, or are playing in the PL. If you are trying to make the point that we are shit, save your breath and fingers because we all know. You don't need a made up table to prove that.
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Of course it isn't. A league of leagues is pretty straightforward and if Blues or Albion were at the bottom we'd all be having a good laugh at their expense.
it's nonsense because not every club plays each other. Or are you saying that if we did play every club in this hypothetical 92 team league we'd be bottom? Because, and just my opinion, that would be the most nonsensical thing ever considered on here and we've had some doozies.
No, what that statistic (and table) shows is that of the 94 clubs considered, we had the lowest points per match return over a period of one calendar year of all of them.
If you approach it as some sort of proof that Aldershot or Small Heath are miles better than us because theirs is higher, then no, of course it doesn't have any value, but that's really not the point, is it? The point is that it is really pretty fucking shocking.
I think a lot of us are at risk of entering a new stage of denial at the moment, trying to convince ourselves that actually, getting relegated isn't horrible, or having less than 10 points at Christmas isn't humiliatingly embarassing - I reckon we are going to see plenty of that in the approaching weeks and months.
The fact is, though - and it is a fact - our performance has been statistically horrific for a long time now.
In fact, if I had to think of one really impressive thing about this whole club over the last five years, it would be that somehow - and honestly, fuck knows how we have managed this - we haven't actually already been relegated.
The table is utterly irrelevant as a statical measure of anything. The only table that matters in the PL table. Showing that we 8 points versus Yeovil who have 14 is completely meaningless unless Yeovil have either played the same teams as us, or are playing in the PL. If you are trying to make the point that we are shit, save your breath and fingers because we all know. You don't need a made up table to prove that.
No it isn't.
It shows the points gained per match for each club across all divisions, and we're at the bottom of it.
It is not possible to support a professional team in this country who have won fewer points per game this year than we have - that tells a fucking awful story.
Try telling the poor fuckers stood at Norwich the other day, or the poor bastards that follow us all around the country that it doesn't mean anything, for example.
Try telling them that the fact their club has - statistically - provided a lower return to them for their support than any other club in the four divisions has, and see if they think it's irrelevant.
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Well said Paulie.
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I wonder how many divisions below you would have to dive before we were not bottom.
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I wonder how many divisions below you would have to dive before we were not bottom.
I don't know but I'd expect there'd be someone around pretty soon after to tell us all shortly after how it wasn't that bad.
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I wonder how many divisions below you would have to dive before we were not bottom.
Or leagues around Europe or the rest of the world.
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Of course it isn't. A league of leagues is pretty straightforward and if Blues or Albion were at the bottom we'd all be having a good laugh at their expense.
it's nonsense because not every club plays each other. Or are you saying that if we did play every club in this hypothetical 92 team league we'd be bottom? Because, and just my opinion, that would be the most nonsensical thing ever considered on here and we've had some doozies.
No, what that statistic (and table) shows is that of the 94 clubs considered, we had the lowest points per match return over a period of one calendar year of all of them.
If you approach it as some sort of proof that Aldershot or Small Heath are miles better than us because theirs is higher, then no, of course it doesn't have any value, but that's really not the point, is it? The point is that it is really pretty fucking shocking.
I think a lot of us are at risk of entering a new stage of denial at the moment, trying to convince ourselves that actually, getting relegated isn't horrible, or having less than 10 points at Christmas isn't humiliatingly embarassing - I reckon we are going to see plenty of that in the approaching weeks and months.
The fact is, though - and it is a fact - our performance has been statistically horrific for a long time now.
In fact, if I had to think of one really impressive thing about this whole club over the last five years, it would be that somehow - and honestly, fuck knows how we have managed this - we haven't actually already been relegated.
The table is utterly irrelevant as a statical measure of anything. The only table that matters in the PL table. Showing that we 8 points versus Yeovil who have 14 is completely meaningless unless Yeovil have either played the same teams as us, or are playing in the PL. If you are trying to make the point that we are shit, save your breath and fingers because we all know. You don't need a made up table to prove that.
No it isn't.
It shows the points gained per match for each club across all divisions, and we're at the bottom of it.
It is not possible to support a professional team in this country who have won fewer points per game this year than we have - that tells a fucking awful story.
Try telling the poor fuckers stood at Norwich the other day, or the poor bastards that follow us all around the country that it doesn't mean anything, for example.
Try telling them that the fact their club has - statistically - provided a lower return to them for their support than any other club in the four divisions has, and see if they think it's irrelevant.
It tells the story that we have utterly shit against opponents at our level. Nothing else. That we have scored less points than a team in league 2 is meaningless. Are we any worse off than Yeovil Town who are sat bottom of league 2, on 6 more points having played 5 more games? Just because statistically they have more points per game. How about their fans? You're coming across as massively angry over this. I really don't see what the point is in creating a new table just make your blood boil. Isn't the obvious enough for you?
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I wonder how many divisions below you would have to dive before we were not bottom.
I don't know but I'd expect there'd be someone around pretty soon after to tell us all shortly after how it wasn't that bad.
who on here has said things aren't that bad? Because I would bet nobody is claiming that.
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I wonder how many divisions below you would have to dive before we were not bottom.
I don't know but I'd expect there'd be someone around pretty soon after to tell us all shortly after how it wasn't that bad.
who on here has said things aren't that bad? Because I would bet nobody is claiming that.
Bingo
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Of course it isn't. A league of leagues is pretty straightforward and if Blues or Albion were at the bottom we'd all be having a good laugh at their expense.
it's nonsense because not every club plays each other. Or are you saying that if we did play every club in this hypothetical 92 team league we'd be bottom? Because, and just my opinion, that would be the most nonsensical thing ever considered on here and we've had some doozies.
No, what that statistic (and table) shows is that of the 94 clubs considered, we had the lowest points per match return over a period of one calendar year of all of them.
If you approach it as some sort of proof that Aldershot or Small Heath are miles better than us because theirs is higher, then no, of course it doesn't have any value, but that's really not the point, is it? The point is that it is really pretty fucking shocking.
I think a lot of us are at risk of entering a new stage of denial at the moment, trying to convince ourselves that actually, getting relegated isn't horrible, or having less than 10 points at Christmas isn't humiliatingly embarassing - I reckon we are going to see plenty of that in the approaching weeks and months.
The fact is, though - and it is a fact - our performance has been statistically horrific for a long time now.
In fact, if I had to think of one really impressive thing about this whole club over the last five years, it would be that somehow - and honestly, fuck knows how we have managed this - we haven't actually already been relegated.
The table is utterly irrelevant as a statical measure of anything. The only table that matters in the PL table. Showing that we 8 points versus Yeovil who have 14 is completely meaningless unless Yeovil have either played the same teams as us, or are playing in the PL. If you are trying to make the point that we are shit, save your breath and fingers because we all know. You don't need a made up table to prove that.
No it isn't.
It shows the points gained per match for each club across all divisions, and we're at the bottom of it.
It is not possible to support a professional team in this country who have won fewer points per game this year than we have - that tells a fucking awful story.
Try telling the poor fuckers stood at Norwich the other day, or the poor bastards that follow us all around the country that it doesn't mean anything, for example.
Try telling them that the fact their club has - statistically - provided a lower return to them for their support than any other club in the four divisions has, and see if they think it's irrelevant.
It tells the story that we have utterly shit against opponents at our level. Nothing else. That we have scored less points than a team in league 2 is meaningless. Are we any worse off than Yeovil Town who are sat on 6 more points having played 5 more games? How about their fans? You're coming across as massively angry over this. I really don't see what the point is in creating a new table just make your blood boil. Isn't the obvious enough for you?
That's absolute nonsense.
It shows that - relative to the league we play in - we have delivered fewer points per game than any other club. We have performed worse than anyone else.
It is also ranked as "points per game" so your example of another team having played more or fewer games is utterly irrelevant.
I don't really know how much clearer than that I can make it.
And no, I'm not trying to make myself angry, I am just pointing out that when you say that table means nothing, you're actually wrong.
Once again - those fans who follow us everywhere, are you going to tell them that statistically that table is meaningless?
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I wonder how many divisions below you would have to dive before we were not bottom.
I don't know but I'd expect there'd be someone around pretty soon after to tell us all shortly after how it wasn't that bad.
who on here has said things aren't that bad? Because I would bet nobody is claiming that.
Well I saw you having a go at someone about it in GM the other day, so there's you for starters.
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I wonder how many divisions below you would have to dive before we were not bottom.
I don't know but I'd expect there'd be someone around pretty soon after to tell us all shortly after how it wasn't that bad.
Must Dildo and Eminem haunt us forever?
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Have we entered the twilight zone where Villa haven't been complete shite and Ilori who has played 0 minutes and cost us over a million wasn't a waste of time and money?
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Have we entered the twilight zone where Villa haven't been complete shite and Ilori who has played 0 minutes and cost us over a million wasn't a waste of time and money?
Of course it was a waste of time and money.
There are bigger wastes of time and money around, even in our squad, but it is another example of the nonchalant pissing away of cash going on. It all adds up.
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I'm being perfectly clear too. There is no relevance comparing our situation to any of the clubs outside of the league we play in because the circumstances are completely different between the leagues. For example when we have played teams in divisions lower than us we beat both of them despite in the league we are playing we are shit. How would that translate if we were able to play teams lower down? Would we maintain the same points per game or would it go up relative to the 91 clubs? Like I said, and again I am making this as clear as possible the only table worth anything at all is the one we play in, and the situation is clear as day.
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Have we entered the twilight zone where Villa haven't been complete shite and Ilori who has played 0 minutes and cost us over a million wasn't a waste of time and money?
Apparently he's just a loan deal that didn't work out. Nothing to see here, and nothing to complain about either. After all a million or so quid is loose change in our deep pockets.
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I wonder how many divisions below you would have to dive before we were not bottom.
I don't know but I'd expect there'd be someone around pretty soon after to tell us all shortly after how it wasn't that bad.
who on here has said things aren't that bad? Because I would bet nobody is claiming that.
Well I saw you having a go at someone about it in GM the other day, so there's you for starters.
What are you on about? Where have I ever said things were just fine? That really is utter bollocks. And if I did say something in GM why are you bringing it up here, or have the rules changed?
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We're the least effective football team in all four divisions on a points per game basis. It really can't get any simpler than that.
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We're the least effective football team in all four divisions on a points per game basis. It really can't get any simpler than that.
That's it in a nutshell. Some people are convinced we're not as bad as we clearly are.
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Have we entered the twilight zone where Villa haven't been complete shite and Ilori who has played 0 minutes and cost us over a million wasn't a waste of time and money?
Apparently he's just a loan deal that didn't work out. Nothing to see here, and nothing to complain about either. After all a million or so quid is loose change in our deep pockets.
The actual phrase was in the context of football finances.
Haven't you got enough things to stick your head in the oven about without inventing shit.
And yes he was a loan deal.
No he didn't work out.
It happens.
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I'm being perfectly clear too. There is no relevance comparing our situation to any of the clubs outside of the league we play in because the circumstances are completely different between the leagues. For example when we have played teams in divisions lower than us we beat both of them despite in the league we are playing we are shit. How would that translate if we were able to play teams lower down? Would we maintain the same points per game or would it go up relative to the 91 clubs? Like I said, and again I am making this as clear as possible the only table worth anything at all is the one we play in, and the situation is clear as day.
The table shows performance of all clubs against their peers, it ranks them on points per game.
It isn't purporting to show that we would struggle to beat Aldershot or Small Heath, I'd have thought that would be glaringly obvious from a quick glance.
To deduce from that that it is irrelevant or meaningless is totally wrong.
FWIW, I can think of lots of other statistics or tables which aren't the current PL table which also matter - like the array of utterly abysmal ones we've collected the last few years, for example, which we all thought were a pretty big problem at the time.
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We're the least effective football team in all four divisions on a points per game basis. It really can't get any simpler than that.
Thank you.
That's precisely what I was trying to say.
No, it's not the Premier League table, either, but even that comes into it, as the fact we are the least statistically effective team in all four divisions means we are also the least effective in our division, and that is precisely why we are going to be relegated.
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We're the least effective football team in all four divisions on a points per game basis. It really can't get any simpler than that.
That's it in a nutshell. Some people are convinced we're not as bad as we clearly are.
Perhaps you can point out where that's being said.
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We're the least effective football team in all four divisions on a points per game basis. It really can't get any simpler than that.
That's it in a nutshell. Some people are convinced we're not as bad as we clearly are.
The evidence is there for all to see. I don't see anyone denying it.
What some people get a bit fed up with is either a.) Aren't I f¤¤king clever for saying it was shit about 500 years before football had been invented or b.) finding examples of stuff that under normal circumstances no one would give a shit about then blowing them up out of all proportion. c.) both of the above in one hit. d.) and this one's personal I'll admit - not answering a perfectly simple question when challenged on an assertion you've made. I think you called it pathetic without realising the irony.
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Good job there isn't a league table of clubs who break their shittiest records else we'd be rock bottom of that one as well.
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Good job there isn't a league table of clubs who break their shittiest records else we'd be rock bottom of that one as well.
Sorry, you're wrong.
We'd be top of that one by a country mile. No one else can have claimed as many records as us lately.
You're so eager to paint everything black, you have to write "bottom" or "negative" even when it's not what you mean.
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We're really bad. Not sure it matters how bad we are, but y'know until May there's not much else to talk about
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If there was a league table of average IQ, then our squad would be rock bottom...of the whole fucking world probably. And that takes into account a team where the players didn't show up so the manager put 11 potatoes out on the pitch. Still brainier than our bunch of feck brained eedjits.
To be fair though, Gabby brings the average right down. But there's a few others in the squad who aren't the brightest sparks. To be honest there were times against Norwich our lot looked like 11 toddlers high on sugar. They were running around aimlessly in circles all over the bloody place. Remi looked like a beleaguered Nursery assistant on his first day.
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If there was a league table of average IQ, then our squad would be rock bottom...of the whole fucking world probably. And that takes into account a team where the players didn't show up so the manager put 11 potatoes out on the pitch. Still brainier than our bunch of feck brained eedjits.
We can't compete with the potatoes and cabbages of this world.
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If there was a league table of average IQ, then our squad would be rock bottom...of the whole fucking world probably. And that takes into account a team where the players didn't show up so the manager put 11 potatoes out on the pitch. Still brainier than our bunch of feck brained eedjits.
We can't compete with the potatoes and cabbages of this world.
*Applause*
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Fickle bastards.
In fairness we don't know if there was a break clause to allow Ilori to go back without the full payment. It is little different to Jenas costing us 3m in wages for a year while injured. If we have to swallow the money to get the squad place for someone actually fit, so be it. Had he ever been fit it might have been different.
And the debate above seems futile. Jimbo has made it very clear. We are woeful, there is no debate in that surely. I would love to see every team given an IQ test to see where they ranked. I reckon we would be bottom, but close with Sunderland.
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maybe we should change our identity to Aston Bungalow. After all we only have one level.
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or Aston Christmas Lights, down by the 6th of jan
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Playing for Liverpool tonight
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Bloody weird that he was never given a chance.
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Bloody weird that he was never given a chance.
we will see tonight why two Villa managers and one Liverpool manager didn't pick him or if all three were nuts.
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He looks decent enough for someone that has not played for a long time
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Apart from Benteke it looks like a side full of players he's having a look at.
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He looks decent enough for someone that has not played for a long time
isn't playing a team like Exeter the perfect time to blood him though , for some managers everything falls into place , I dont think remi dare play him
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He looks easily decent enough - what was the problem given some of the pathetic displays by some of our defenders? You can add Gardner, Kozak, Adama etc not really given a chance. Useless management which is par for course.
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He looks easily decent enough - what was the problem given some of the pathetic displays by some of our defenders? You can add Gardner, Kozak, Adama etc not really given a chance. Useless management which is par for course.
although Exeter are doing ok hes not exactly getting worked very hard is he
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He looks easily decent enough - what was the problem given some of the pathetic displays by some of our defenders? You can add Gardner, Kozak, Adama etc not really given a chance. Useless management which is par for course.
although Exeter are doing ok hes not exactly getting worked very hard is he
That's it support our Management who've amassed the grand total of 8 points - why is it people have to support shit Management? ?
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Don't forget he was injured for a long amount of the time he was with us
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He looks easily decent enough - what was the problem given some of the pathetic displays by some of our defenders? You can add Gardner, Kozak, Adama etc not really given a chance. Useless management which is par for course.
although Exeter are doing ok hes not exactly getting worked very hard is he
That's it support our Management who've amassed the grand total of 8 points - why is it people have to support shit Management? ?
ive already said I don't think remi dared play him , so is it he that is shit or those above that are making him shit
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Don't forget he was injured for a long amount of the time he was with us
I don't always believe this injured business
every week on os gabby is suffering with something or other!
strikes me sometimes as a bit of a smokescreen
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hes on his knees absolutely fucked!
lightweight
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That's it support our Management who've amassed the grand total of 8 points - why is it people have to support shit Management? ?
He looks world class and I can't understand how somebody playing in a defence that has managed to keep Exeter City down to two goals before being subbed because he's knackered after 70 minutes wasn't given a chance at Villa.
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Don't forget he was injured for a long amount of the time he was with us
I don't always believe this injured business
every week on os gabby is suffering with something or other!
strikes me sometimes as a bit of a smokescreen
I thought he came to us injured
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Clearly his fitness is the issue then. Looked like he has potential but you can see why he was not played if he struggles to make 75 minutes.
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That's it support our Management who've amassed the grand total of 8 points - why is it people have to support shit Management? ?
He looks world class and I can't understand how somebody playing in a defence that has managed to keep Exeter City down to two goals before being subbed because he's knackered after 70 minutes wasn't given a chance at Villa.
This.
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It's quite clear that Ilori was simply filling a shirt last night. I can't see him ever figuring in a league fixture for 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
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According to the Beeb, he has signed for Reading, after never making a first team appearance for Liverpool. So it looks like we will be seeing him at VP, but not in a Villa shirt.
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According to the Beeb, he has signed for Reading, after never making a first team appearance for Liverpool. So it looks like we will be seeing him at VP, but not in a Villa shirt.
Sure he played in the cup for Liverpool last season after we sent him back. Waste of time though, he was.
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I wonder how much money he has made of the game by not actually playing in it?
I bet there are loads like him also - the game is mental
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Thought we'd re-signed him when I saw the thread.
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Me too.
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Hang on I think I started this thread so should be able to change it.
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My fault didn't change the heading, sorry about the confusion.
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Who?
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For me, this fella some up football; totally financially driven.
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For me, this fella some up football; totally financially driven.
Err, how have you come to that conclusion?
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He's gone on loan 3 times and now looks like signing for a Division 2 club. Doesn't strike me as someone that just wants to sit around picking up the cash, more like someone that hasn't been good enough to play much.