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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 11:26:21 PM
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Just wondering, as Adebayor hasn't happened yet, it is starting to look like it might not happen at all.
If that is the case - and, to be honest, to a lesser degree even if he does come - should we be a bit worried about where the goals are going to come from?
We've spent the Benteke money well, but we haven't replaced him, have we? Ayew to me looks like a Weimann replacement. Kozak I like a lot, but it's a big ask to expect him to provide the goals this soon - and to rely on him strikes me as asking for trouble.
Gestede looks like he could be a more than decent player, but he's come off the back of one really good season in the championship. Would it be fair on him (or sensible) to rely on him to provide them?
So, as per the poll, do we need another striker?
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It's alright. Tim has asked the midfield to chip in this season.
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We need another striker. If not Adebayor then someone similar... tall and powerful, with a good goalscoring record and a bit of skill. Not Berbatov though I just don't think he'd be mobile enough. I'd give him a chance.
The fact that I'm unable to think of anyone who we'd get who fits all my criteria is why I've been banging on that we should sign Adebayor for the last month or so! I'll be disappointed of he doesn't sign.
That said, we do have some strikers and, especially with Sinclair in goalscoring form, I wouldn't be in a rush to sign someone just for the sake of signing someone, anyone.
We need to identify the right player and get him, even if it doesn't happen until five to midnight on Eastie Day.
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It's alright. Tim has asked the midfield to chip in this season.
We'll certainly miss TClevz's goal contributions.
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I'm confident Kozak can go +10 given game time. Gabby will be about 6-8 goals . Gestede I've not seen much of but think he's more equipped than Ayew who for me looks lightweight.
I'm hoping Veretout and Gueye can add +10 between them.
Who's taking pens now ?
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I reckon Adebayor will sign eventually. I also reckon Gestede will be our signing of the summer. So goals wise, I am not too concerned, more in supply than the actual scoring. Last season we managed 31 goals in all competitions and Benteke got what, 13 or so of them?
This season I reckon we will score 45-50 goals (9-12th region). Gestede will get 10-12, Adebayor 10-12, Ayew 8 ish, Sinclair 8 ish, Kozak and Gabby 5 ish, Grealish 3, and a.n.other winger 3-4. Then the midfield will get 2-3 each and Richards will get 3. Amavi might get 1 too. So make that over 50. I genuinely think this team, more than last season, has goals in it.
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I reckon Adebayor will sign eventually. I also reckon Gestede will be our signing of the summer. So goals wise, I am not too concerned, more in supply than the actual scoring. Last season we managed 31 goals in all competitions and Benteke got what, 13 or so of them?
This season I reckon we will score 45-50 goals (9-12th region). Gestede will get 10-12, Adebayor 10-12, Ayew 8 ish, Sinclair 8 ish, Kozak and Gabby 5 ish, Grealish 3, and a.n.other winger 3-4. Then the midfield will get 2-3 each and Richards will get 3. Amavi might get 1 too. So make that over 50. I genuinely think this team, more than last season, has goals in it.
On your most pessimistic figures, that adds up to only about 10 short of Chelsea's goal tally last season!
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I'm confident Kozak can go +10 given game time. Gabby will be about 6-8 goals . Gestede I've not seen much of but think he's more equipped than Ayew who for me looks lightweight.
I'm hoping Veretout and Gueye can add +10 between them.
Who's taking pens now ?
Barry :-(
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Who's taking pens now ?
Barry, as ever.
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Ah, I was late!
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Silly question
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I reckon Adebayor will sign eventually. I also reckon Gestede will be our signing of the summer. So goals wise, I am not too concerned, more in supply than the actual scoring. Last season we managed 31 goals in all competitions and Benteke got what, 13 or so of them?
This season I reckon we will score 45-50 goals (9-12th region). Gestede will get 10-12, Adebayor 10-12, Ayew 8 ish, Sinclair 8 ish, Kozak and Gabby 5 ish, Grealish 3, and a.n.other winger 3-4. Then the midfield will get 2-3 each and Richards will get 3. Amavi might get 1 too. So make that over 50. I genuinely think this team, more than last season, has goals in it.
On your most pessimistic figures, that adds up to only about 10 short of Chelsea's goal tally last season!
Chelsea were rubbish though weren't they..... mmm
Maybe knock 3-4 off each!
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Not worried, plenty of forward thinking players in the squad now.
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The goals will come from lots of places which is exactly how it should be. The fact that Benteke scored 50% of our goals over the past three years would be a great stat if we scored 150-160 goals+ in that span of time. We relied too much on him and we need to get defenders, midfielders and the other attacking players to contribute. Also unlike life under Lambert we will attempt (sometimes to our detriment) to play the game in the opponents half and third this season. It will give us every chance to improve the GF column.
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Despite losing Benteke I think we should be stronger up front this year. We relied on him too much and there wasn't anybody else to shoulder the burden. I'm quite excited to see Gestede in action - I think he could be a great buy and I expect the forward line to be him plus one. Hopefully the midfield can chip in more than they have previously.
I'm more concerned about conceding goals - I hope we're still in the market for a centre half. If he's Scandinavian and has a beard, so much the better...
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This is one of the reasons I am quite keen on the Adebayor signing, he is capable of scoring 20 goals in a season, whereas none of the other signings appear to have that threat. Admittedly he is equally likely to get zero goals, but if we have mitigated that risk by it only being a loan signing then I am not too worried by this potential downside.
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I reckon Adebayor will sign eventually. I also reckon Gestede will be our signing of the summer. So goals wise, I am not too concerned, more in supply than the actual scoring. Last season we managed 31 goals in all competitions and Benteke got what, 13 or so of them?
This season I reckon we will score 45-50 goals (9-12th region). Gestede will get 10-12, Adebayor 10-12, Ayew 8 ish, Sinclair 8 ish, Kozak and Gabby 5 ish, Grealish 3, and a.n.other winger 3-4. Then the midfield will get 2-3 each and Richards will get 3. Amavi might get 1 too. So make that over 50. I genuinely think this team, more than last season, has goals in it.
On your most pessimistic figures, that adds up to only about 10 short of Chelsea's goal tally last season!
They're certainly optimistic.
I remember that Guardian preview pointed out that if you take out Benteke, Gabby and Weimann (the latter two hardly being prolific themselves), our next highest goalscorer over the last three seasons is Bacuna with five.
To reiterate - five goals in three seasons makes you our fourth highest goalscorer over that time.
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Having only seen them at Forest, I got the overwhelming impression that our side will be full of goals. Kozak had a very poor game at Forest but that may or may not be due to two games in quick succession after such a long lay off. For me the jury is still out on Libor. With what we have I would guess the goals will be spread Gestede 10, Sinclair 10, Ayew 7, Gabby 6, Vertoute 5, Gueye 4, Richards 3, Clark 2, Amavi 1, Barry 4(pens), Kozak 4 if he plays, ditto Bacuna. Adebeyor if he comes either 0 or 20.
Our defence is the problem, not the attack.
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I'm confident Kozak can go +10 given game time. Gabby will be about 6-8 goals . Gestede I've not seen much of but think he's more equipped than Ayew who for me looks lightweight.
I'm hoping Veretout and Gueye can add +10 between them.
Who's taking pens now ?
Veretout takes a good penalty
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I agree with Brian I'm more concerned about how many goals we will concede as I think the defence looks a bit on the weak side. Plenty of forward players but as to how many goals they will get is anyone's guess. I was trying to recall how our goals were distributed pre-Benteke. After a quick check on 2011-2012 it was Bent with 9, Gabby with 5, then only a few others sprinkled around the midfielders and defenders. It's a wonder we survived and hopefully it can't be any worse than that.
As for Kozak perhaps we could send him down to Barclays in the City for a quick fix.
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I think Tim has been watching the NBA over the summer and decided what we need is scorelines like that, so look out for 103-102 thrillers. It's not going to be the scoring of goals that is the problem but letting them in!
;)
(as pointed out by many other people had I bothered to read the replies)
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I think once Gestede is fit he will be our focal point and certainly looks like he has all the attributes to be a goal scorer. We also have a very good complement now of midfielders/inside forwards so there's definitely goals in the team, subject to playing the right way.
As others have said, more (very) concerned about the defence.
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I think Gestede might surprise us (in a good way).
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I'm expecting big things from veretout once settled in as a midfielder who will add goals. Traroe , Sinclair are two options and if we do add another striker then hopefully be a goalscoring one.
I'd like the system to change with the width coming from the two wide men supporting the main striker. Already there has been an over reliance in full back attacks. However I thats is the way Sherwood gonna play it I'd like to see amavi and Hutton or Bacuna in the box and getting involved like Joel ward and azpillecuta and Shaw have shown.
I think goals will be coming once veretoutbis established in side alongside either snachez or Westwood or ahead of . he's a defo contender for a number 10 role but then so is grealish and Gil . I would like grealish and traore to play on outside of man and not just be cutting in so will see how that develops.
Shall see too if Richards can head it in from set plays as he does like to attack the ball but so far no better than Baker at accuracy.
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We will see Kozak leave and last minute signing for Charlie Austin, TS has strong links with the guys from QPR.
I believe it's already a done deal.
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You probably need around 50 league goals to finish comfortably mid table - assuming a reasonable defence. Can we convincingly stack up where that might come from? Based on gut instinct:
Gestede - 8
Kozak - 4
Ayew - 5
Gabby - 3
Sinclair - 10
Grealish - 3
Adama - 4
Gil - 3
Veretout - 2
Gana - 2
Westwood - 1
Gardner - 2
Amavi - 2
Richards - 2
That makes 51 and doesn't feel heroic. But does rely on scoring a few from set pieces
Lescott - 2
Bacuna - 1
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It feels like a lifetime since our central defenders contributed goals on a regular basis. I would be delighted if Richards, Lescott et al could deliver a few from set-pieces this season.
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Gestede - 5
Kozak - 7
Ayew - 1
Gabby - 6
Sinclair - 11
Grealish - 1
Adama - 6
Gil - 0
Veretout - 0
Gana - 1
Westwood - 0
Gardner - 0
Amavi - 1
Richards - 1
Lescott 2
42 goals . Nowhere near enough.
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You surprise me
So you really think that for the rest of the season, Gestede and Ayew will get 5 goals between them?
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You surprise me
So you really think that for the rest of the season, Gestede and Ayew will get 5 goals between them?
In the PL around that figure . Possibly as high as 12 , it's all guesswork at this stage
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Just a minor nit pick 50 goals would have got you 8th last season. For teams wanting to be mid table then once you are in the 40ish range it starts to be more about how good your defence is. See QPR.
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The goals we've conceded have all been quite sloppy with some unlucky deflections too. Stamp that out and we can make strides up the league even without scoring bucketloads ourselves
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I can't see a Sherwood side ever being that right at the back
We're currently third or fourth favourites to go down, but I think that will change
Leicester at 9-1 might be worth a shout still