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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Cleybrooke on August 04, 2015, 02:37:51 PM

Title: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: Cleybrooke on August 04, 2015, 02:37:51 PM
So with 9+ players joining the the team the biggest challenge is getting them to play as team rather than group of individuals.

All new teams go four distinct phases, Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing. These phases are all necessary and inevitable in order for the team to grow, to face up to challenges, to tackle problems, to find solutions, to plan work, and to deliver results. (as it says in wiki)

So when the stories come out of this player has fallen out with that player or he's fallen out with the manager or is just not happy and blames everyone for another poor result (and I guess we should expect one or two poor results as the team forms) we will know where they have got. Get passed this, which can take time, we start performing.

Question is, how long should we expect this to take? Whats your expectation of how long it will take the team to settle down and start delivering?

Not all teams get past Storming. Will we do a Southampton and over perform with the new players or bomb like Spurs did when they spent all the Bale cash, or Newcastle last year.

Worst case -  we end the season with a squad of individuals, in wrong division and needing to rebuild. Again.

Best case - and given the talent and trust in Tim's ability - we could in for a cracking season that really pushes on from say Christmas.
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2015, 03:19:57 PM
for a moment I thought I was back in a corporate 80s/90s training seminar being force fed 'The Pursuit of Excellence'.  My old Marketing Director ended every conversation with 'have fun'. to which I always replied 'How can I Alan, working for you!' Happy days, I think
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: Cleybrooke on August 04, 2015, 03:38:18 PM
That Tom Peters knew nothing.
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: Risso on August 04, 2015, 04:08:21 PM
I think we should run the 4-3-3 formation up the flagpole and see who salutes.
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 04, 2015, 04:10:39 PM
I think we should run the 4-3-3 formation up the flagpole and see who salutes.

I reckon we should try 4-3-4 and see how long it takes the ref to notice we've got 12 players on the pitch. Worth a try.
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: E I Adio on August 04, 2015, 04:23:26 PM
That Tom Peters knew nothing.

Or Kotler.
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: Gaz Jones on August 04, 2015, 04:30:39 PM
We need to start thinking outside the box here guys
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2015, 04:34:58 PM
How about we just let Tim, Ray and the boys get on with what they do.
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 04:36:35 PM
I'm glad we reached out to Nantes for Veretout, looks a good player.
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: Risso on August 04, 2015, 04:39:39 PM
I'm glad we reached out to Nantes for Veretout, looks a good player.

*shudder*
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: AV82EC on August 04, 2015, 05:00:25 PM
Maybe they should analyse all their MBTI profiles as well.

FFS.
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2015, 05:03:46 PM
we're pushing the envelope, kicking negativity into the long grass and indulging in blue sky thinking for the first time, in a long time
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: CJ on August 04, 2015, 06:27:01 PM
I think we should put a record on and see who dances up the strategic staircase going forward, then maybe touch base off line and get together in an idea shower
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 04, 2015, 06:56:21 PM
I think we should put a record on and see who dances up the strategic staircase going forward, then maybe touch base off line and get together in an idea shower
You dirty ba**ard!!!
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 04, 2015, 07:14:27 PM
We could get Coventry in the early round of the League Cup.  A chance for some Sky Blue thinking.
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: ktvillan on August 04, 2015, 08:23:10 PM
I'm imagineering that Baker will still be practising his just in time defending techniques, hopefully outside the box and without too much horizontal integration
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2015, 08:33:46 PM
When synergy is achieved through optimal strategic planning and operation we will reach out true potential and maximise out output on the field.
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: old man villa fan on August 04, 2015, 08:34:09 PM
Last season we had too much thinking outside of the box with nobody in it.  We also had plenty of blue sky thinking as we hoisted the ball in the air.
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: paulcomben on August 04, 2015, 08:41:15 PM
So that's all good.
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: Drummond on August 04, 2015, 08:53:33 PM
That's claret and blue sky thinking for you.
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: Risso on August 04, 2015, 09:06:28 PM
Makes a change from the Paul Lambert version I suppose:

Mumbling - bumbling - crumbling - humbling
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: oldham_villa on August 04, 2015, 10:03:22 PM
Haha brilliant Risso
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: chrisw1 on August 04, 2015, 10:57:15 PM
Reminds me how much I hated management training courses and all the ridiculous models and theories which to most people are just common sense.  I hated those.

Except for the 'Hot Crazy Matrix'. That's a good one.

In football terms I think Adebeyor would be high up the 'crazy' axis. 

And Gary Shaw would have been a Unicorn.
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2015, 11:22:14 PM
Are we dogs, stars, cash cows or question marks?
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 05:35:45 AM
Who cares?. What's important, is the strategic staircase that our new management team are putting in place. They are creating the bandwidth necessary for success; it's only by developing core competencies that we will be able to action the key deliverables. I've been hugely impressed with this sea change this summer. It's high altitude flying .
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on August 05, 2015, 09:00:28 AM
I see what all of you are saying but with all due respect  we need to address the issue on whether or not to move the goalposts. The fact of the matter is it's not rocket science as long as we are all singing from the same hymn sheet, if not we'll find ourselves between a rock and a hard place.
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 09:13:39 AM
not a problem as long as we bore down and discover the right outcome - provided, of course, that  our stakeholders, colleagues and supply chain share our vision and narrative
Title: Re: Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 06, 2015, 07:42:05 PM
Are we dogs, stars, cash cows or question marks?

michael porter lol takes me back
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