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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: VillaAlways on July 24, 2015, 09:46:25 AM
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12 million bid accepted according to SSN breaking news. Medical in next 24 hours
Hope not too previous but seems pretty definite
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His song has got to be "Ooh Ayew..? Ooh ooh.. ooh ooh."
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A-Yew!
Don't tell me there's no hope at all
Together we stand, divided we fall.
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Ayew kidding me? Great signing if true.
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Based on the usual You Tube clips he looks pretty decent....
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£12m? Fuck me that's 17m euros. Seems outrageously expensive. Surely can't be right
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12m euros just for context
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£12m? Fuck me that's 17m euros. Seems outrageously expensive. Surely can't be right
Earlier reports were quoting a possible fee of 8m Euros
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£12m? Fuck me that's 17m euros. Seems outrageously expensive. Surely can't be right
Have SSN ever been wrong? ;)
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Jor-dan Ayew
He's bigger than me and you
He's gonna score one or two
Jor-dan Ayew
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like this, young hungry players with something to prove.
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12 goals in 26 appearances for Lorient last season
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Don't know anything about him and I always worry when the youtube clips show the same goal 10 times from different angles
But lets hope he is the deal
welcome Jordan
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Seems a bit lumpy - the papers suggested he was available for £5m in June.
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I hope Uncle Fester's French is up to snuff on the training pitch
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like this, young hungry players with something to prove.
I thought we'd tried that one already?
Not a comment on Ayew, more on the young and hungry thing.
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Now compare that video to Rudy Gestede and its a world of difference - I like the look of him
Sherwood....A message needed
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Highlight reel and from what I've seen and heard of him he sounds like a decent acquisition. Not totally convinced he will ever score >15 goals a season though.
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A member of the Rocksteady Crew!
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Seems like a replacement for Gabby/Weimann at our inside forward/wide striking poistions.
Him and Sinclair, with Adebayor it would seem. Kozak and Gabby backing up, Grealish and Gil to complete the set.
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like this, young hungry players with something to prove.
I thought we'd tried that one already?
Not a comment on Ayew, more on the young and hungry thing.
Maybe we've adopted the third pillar of the approach, young, hungry and talented.
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I think that might be it in terms of a permanent deal for a striker - Adebayor will probably come in on loan. I have no idea what he's like, but then I didn't have a clue who Benteke was either. If he's anywhere near as effective, let alone prolific, then that'll be great.
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Jordan Ayew
Ca plain pour moi
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Only one chant.
She's even wearing the Lorient kit
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I think we should resist putting the weight of replacing Benteke on his shoulders. Most of us will admit that Benteke is one of the top five strikers at villa park over the last 40 years. We simply won't replace him with anyone of similar quality...it's just reality.
There were, however, plenty of teams that finished above us with strikers nowhere near as good as Benteke.
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Have to be honest don't know much about him. Not going to waste my time on the you tube as them video's can make anyone look world class.
if he is talented then hats off to Sherwood. Great to see bringing in young , hungry and talented players in at last.
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Wasn't his brother who went to Swansea supposed to be the better of the two?
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I think I've seen him playing in the African Cup of Nations and for Marseille, although trying to make sure I'm not confusing him with his brother Andre Ayew.
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Ayew, don't watch that, watch this.
This is the heavy, heavy monster sound.
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Wasn't his brother who went to Swansea supposed to be the better of the two?
The brother is older though.
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Ayew, don't watch that, watch this.
This is the heavy, heavy monster sound.
Like it. Could catch on....
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A member of the Rocksteady Crew!
Bah, beat me to it!
Ayew, the Rocksteady Crew, show them what to do make a break make a move.
Actually, rock steady would be an apt description of the lack of movement from our midfield, so that works.
It's hard to know if these are all genuinely very good young prospects, or if the new TV money has just doubled the amount they'd have cost last year and we're effectively just buying the next lot of Tonevs.
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'a-yew, get of my cloud'
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Apparently flying in for medical.
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Apparently flying in for medical.
Ayew, up in the sky?
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The fee could rise to €12m.
£5.5m rising to a possible £8.5m.
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A good, composed finisher with excellent movement in and around the box. Good leap on him too, could be a snip at the figures quoted.
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Wasn't his brother who went to Swansea supposed to be the better of the two?
The brother is older though.
Fair enough. All sounds good to me - a nice new striker, new central midfielder and I'll feel quite chipper about this season.
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Ayew, Bacuna, Gil and Gardner
Ayew, Bacuna, A-a-a-a-a-yew
Life in a Northern town
Ayew, Bacuna
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I think we should resist putting the weight of replacing Benteke on his shoulders. Most of us will admit that Benteke is one of the top five strikers at villa park over the last 40 years. We simply won't replace him with anyone of similar quality...it's just reality.
There were, however, plenty of teams that finished above us with strikers nowhere near as good as Benteke.
This.
It's amazing that we finished in 17th place yet it's our players in demand . I don't see the likes of Sunderland fending off interest for their players from the top 6
Lambert has a lot to answer for.
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Thank God for Tim Sherwood, for sticking two together coz we don't know how.....
A-yew
A- yeeeeewwww
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Wasn't his brother who went to Swansea supposed to be the better of the two?
The brother is older though.
I feel a passport/identity melee coming up
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12 goals (a couple of pens) and 5 assists, not bad.
Get in Destro or Rolan and we'll have two quality options up top - looks like Rolan played a few games out right as well last season.
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Birmingham, Ayew listening, to the song we are singing?
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Ayew Ayew is on Fire..
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The brother is older though.
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Fair enough. All sounds good to me - a nice new striker, new central midfielder and I'll feel quite chipper about this season.
Feeling the same Dave with the added extra of unmitigated excitement of seeing the newly jet washed North Stand as well. It doesn't get much better than this.
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40 goals in 200 games. He's had almost as many yellow cards. Not overly thrilling.
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40 goals in 200 games. He's had almost as many yellow cards. Not overly thrilling.
A lot of that has been in a wide position and he's still young so last season's performances would be more telling of his maturity.
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Nice. I still think we'll sign a striker, I reckon he'll be challenging Gabby for his role rather than Benteke's replacement.
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I think of him more as a wide player, rather than a striker.
Ayew lonesome tonight?....
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He's the Weimann replacement presumably.
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Our current front six would be something like:
Ayew - Kozak - Grealish
Gueye - Sanchez - Westwood
Probably still need a little more...
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Ayew Ayew is on Fire..
With the added bonus of being able to sing the rest of the first verse to Fibber Delph in November. ;D
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Our current front six would be something like:
Ayew - Kozak - Grealish
Gueye - Sanchez - Westwood
Probably still need a little more...
I think by September it will be;
Sinclair, Adebayor, Ayew up top, with one of Grealish or Gil in a midfield three.
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He has been playing as a forward for Lorient last season, earlier on in his career he was pushed wide.
He's being brought in a forward, not a winger.
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Our current front six would be something like:
Ayew - Kozak - Grealish
Gueye - Sanchez - Westwood
Probably still need a little more...
I think by September it will be;
Sinclair, Adebayor, Ayew up top, with one of Grealish or Gil in a midfield three.
I reckon Grealish will be the one who starts off in the three as the #10 on account of him having better workrate. I
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The fee could rise to €12m.
£5.5m rising to a possible £8.5m.
According to Sky Sports Transfer Centre, we have had a bid of £12m accepted
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Ay Yew glad he's signing for us
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I have serious reservations about going down the French route ala Newcastle. There were serious attitude problems at times . I appreciate Wenger has done well there in the past but he has the contacts .
I'll await to see these boys in claret and blue before I get over excited.
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I have serious reservations about going down the French route ala Newcastle. There were serious attitude problems at times
Like what?
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Ayew will be better as part of a front 3 than Gabby or Weimann were I think, so for £5.5m it's a decent deal.
I wouldn't want to see Gil or Grealish being in a midfield 3 next season though unless another more solid centre mid is bought in.
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I have serious reservations about going down the French route ala Newcastle. There were serious attitude problems at times
Like what?
The regular old stuff about cliques and "not understanding the club", IIRC. Not like we've gotten anywhere with our current crop anyway
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Talksport say £7m
Daily Mail say £8m
Skysports say £12m
What is skys obsession with over inflating all transfer fees? Is it so they can have that stupid totaliser saying Premier league clubs have spent £80b this summer?
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I have serious reservations about going down the French route ala Newcastle. There were serious attitude problems at times
Like what?
The regular old stuff about cliques and "not understanding the club", IIRC. Not like we've gotten anywhere with our current crop anyway
If we're in for making sweeping generalisations, here's one:
The thing I've noticed about French players is that they tend to be better than English ones.
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I like the idea that we'll still bring in another striker and he's more of a replacement for Gabby/Weimann. Guess we'll see, I'm naturally pessimistic as a Villa fan :D
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I think sky think we are in the euro, which we are not.
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I have serious reservations about going down the French route ala Newcastle. There were serious attitude problems at times
Like what?
The regular old stuff about cliques and "not understanding the club", IIRC. Not like we've gotten anywhere with our current crop anyway
So nothing more substantial than John Carver making excuses for being a shit manager? I don't think that a simpleton like him saying that these foreign types are wrong 'uns equates at all to "there were serious attitude problems at times"
I think from the positives and negatives of Newcastle as a team over the last few years then the likes of Remy, Cabaye, Ba and Sissoko are some of the very few good things that they've experienced.
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I have serious reservations about going down the French route ala Newcastle. There were serious attitude problems at times
Ayew - Ghanian
Gueye - Senegalese
Amavi - yes, he's French.
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I have serious reservations about going down the French route ala Newcastle. There were serious attitude problems at times
Like what?
The regular old stuff about cliques and "not understanding the club", IIRC. Not like we've gotten anywhere with our current crop anyway
So nothing more substantial than John Carver making excuses for being a shit manager? I don't think that a simpleton like him saying that these foreign types are wrong 'uns equates at all to "there were serious attitude problems at times"
I think from the positives and negatives of Newcastle as a team over the last few years then the likes of Remy, Cabaye, Ba and Sissoko are some of the very few good things that they've experienced.
I think it was while Pardew was still there, was thinking about this video in particular:
I generally like Neville but I think he's talking nonsense here.
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Africa Cup will hit us next season..
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Talksport say £7m
Daily Mail say £8m
Skysports say £12m
What is skys obsession with over inflating all transfer fees? Is it so they can have that stupid totaliser saying Premier league clubs have spent £80b this summer?
Talksport - "Debt-ridden Aston Villa spend little."
Daily Mail - "Cheap foreign imports flooding the market."
Sky - "Billions spent in best league in the world."
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I have serious reservations about going down the French route ala Newcastle. There were serious attitude problems at times
Ayew - Ghanian
Gueye - Senegalese
Amavi - yes, he's French.
The cliques complained of are Francophone rather than just French. However, like you say, Ayew is Ghanaian, so no worries about the language there.
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Sounds promising.
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Africa Cup will hit us next season..
Great point
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Africa Cup will hit us next season..
Great point
The next one isn't until 2017, so season after next.
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Jordan Ayew, Jordan Amavi, Jordan Rhodes next?? Anymore Jordans??
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Jordan Ayew, Jordan Amavi, Jordan Rhodes next?? Anymore Jordans??
Could do with a couple of big guns up front.
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Jordan Ayew, Jordan Amavi, Jordan Rhodes next?? Anymore Jordans??
Katie Price
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Jordan Ayew, Jordan Amavi, Jordan Rhodes next?? Anymore Jordans??
Katie Price
Been known to bring out the best of Dwight Yorke in the box .
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no she makes a complete tit of herself up front ; better suited to deeper position
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I have serious reservations about going down the French route ala Newcastle. There were serious attitude problems at times
Like what?
The regular old stuff about cliques and "not understanding the club", IIRC. Not like we've gotten anywhere with our current crop anyway
So nothing more substantial than John Carver making excuses for being a shit manager? I don't think that a simpleton like him saying that these foreign types are wrong 'uns equates at all to "there were serious attitude problems at times"
I think from the positives and negatives of Newcastle as a team over the last few years then the likes of Remy, Cabaye, Ba and Sissoko are some of the very few good things that they've experienced.
I do think Newcastle had problems as they hardly had any domestic players to balance things out, whereas we do. I think there might be a problem when players come to a club they view as a 'stepping stone' to a bigger club, really turn it on in the first season and the move doesn't happen. I think that has happened with the likes of Tiote and Cisse at Newcastle.
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like this, young hungry players with something to prove.
young, hungry, skillful players with something to prove for me
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40 goals in 200 games. He's had almost as many yellow cards. Not overly thrilling.
Yeah i'm not jumping up and down either.
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I have serious reservations about going down the French route ala Newcastle. There were serious attitude problems at times
Like what?
They 'ave no, 'ow you say, "bottle"?
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Ayew, don't make it bad
Take a sad song and make it better
Remember to let her into your heart
Then you can start to make it better
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Jordan's had a sex change. She's now known as Transjordan.
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Ayew, don't watch that, watch this.
This is the heavy, heavy monster sound.
Like it. Could catch on....
I can just see the Holte End breaking out the 'One Step Beyond' dance. I think it would look pretty impressive.
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Ayew, don't watch that, watch this.
This is the heavy, heavy monster sound.
Like it. Could catch on....
I can just see the Holte End breaking out the 'One Step Beyond' dance. I think it would look pretty impressive.
With or without the drum?
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I have serious reservations about going down the French route ala Newcastle. There were serious attitude problems at times
Ayew - Ghanian
Gueye - Senegalese
Amavi - yes, he's French.
The cliques complained of are Francophone rather than just French. However, like you say, Ayew is Ghanaian, so no worries about the language there.
Yes, I did get the tenor of it and wasn't being entirely serious. But I do appreciate your clarification :D
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So having looked on a few international forums, their fans are astonished that we have bought him for that much.
They bought him for 4m euro last year and by all accounts he has been shit. There isn't one positive comment from French fans.
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Ayew, don't watch that, watch this.
This is the heavy, heavy monster sound.
Like it. Could catch on....
I can just see the Holte End breaking out the 'One Step Beyond' dance. I think it would look pretty impressive.
With or without the drum?
Sod the drum.
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Interesting piece here http://www.myjoyonline.com/sports/2015/July-24th/al-smith-what-aston-villa-get-from-12m-jordan-ayew.php
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So having looked on a few international forums, their fans are astonished that we have bought him for that much.
They bought him for 4m euro last year and by all accounts he has been shit. There isn't one positive comment from French fans.
Sounds like that Belgian bloke we bought. He wasn't worth seven million.
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So having looked on a few international forums, their fans are astonished that we have bought him for that much.
They bought him for 4m euro last year and by all accounts he has been shit. There isn't one positive comment from French fans.
Sounds like that Belgian bloke we bought. He wasn't worth seven million.
Yeah or he could be shit - guess we'll find out
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Jordan Ayew, Jordan Amavi, Jordan Rhodes next?? Anymore Jordans??
I take this opportunity to be the first to welcome Jordan Bowery back to Villa Park
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Interesting piece here http://www.myjoyonline.com/sports/2015/July-24th/al-smith-what-aston-villa-get-from-12m-jordan-ayew.php
Looking forward to seeing him in the shirt...
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Interesting piece here http://www.myjoyonline.com/sports/2015/July-24th/al-smith-what-aston-villa-get-from-12m-jordan-ayew.php
Sounds full of promise to me
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I don't know a thing about him. I do hope we bring in another forward as well as though.
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Opposition fans:
Who the f★★★, who the f★★★?
Who the f★★★ing hell Ayew?
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I've only seen him play a couple of times but his paying style reminded me a lot of Salomon Kalou for better or worse.
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Interesting piece here http://www.myjoyonline.com/sports/2015/July-24th/al-smith-what-aston-villa-get-from-12m-jordan-ayew.php
Cheers - good read that.
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I've only seen him play a couple of times but his paying style reminded me a lot of Salomon Kalou for better or worse.
The version would be ideal as the current players and the ones we have been linked with are not blessed with an ability to dribble and move defenders about. I am not a fan of playing 2 up front, but if you do it is vital one of the players has the ability to work the wings and drop deep into midfield, from the article posted above this guy sounds like he can do that.
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His underpants are always on display, safe.
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Rather worryingly, no mention of a hat
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His underpants are always on display, safe.
It'll be drive by shootings next
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Rather worryingly, no mention of a hat
Has he landed yet?
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Whooo Ayew. A-yew, A-yew.
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Rather worryingly, no mention of a hat
this dude don't need no hat.......you seen his barnet ?
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The Doc
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Hope he scores tons like his father's namesake.
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Hope he scores tons like his father's namesake.
Or even like his father. His dad was a hell of a player.
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Has he officially signed ?
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Talksport say £7m
Daily Mail say £8m
Skysports say £12m
What is skys obsession with over inflating all transfer fees? Is it so they can have that stupid totaliser saying Premier league clubs have spent £80b this summer?
I had to interview Peter Reid last week about the Raheem Sterling transfer and he said iit was once routine to exaggerate the amount of money a player cost.
When he was City manager he signed Keith Curle for a million pounds but Peter Swales insisted on telling everyone it was £2.5 million, just to look important.
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So having looked on a few international forums, their fans are astonished that we have bought him for that much.
They bought him for 4m euro last year and by all accounts he has been shit. There isn't one positive comment from French fans.
Sounds like that Belgian bloke we bought. He wasn't worth seven million.
Yeah or he could be shit - guess we'll find out
He can't have been that bad if he scored double digits for a poor team
Happy with him as a replacement for weimann. Not for benteke though. Think we need proven calibre
Benteke wasn't proven but we didn't envisage being so reliant on him at the time. We had three other forwards we thought we could depend on
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He's not got Benteke's physicality, so we need another of that type. He's a replacement for Weimann.
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He's not got Benteke's physicality, so we need another of that type. He's a replacement for Weimann.
I wonder will Kozak be seen as the natural Benteke replacement ?
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Bid rejected, no fee agreed and the way it was constructed
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Bid rejected, no fee agreed and the way it was constructed
Eh?
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Bid rejected, no fee agreed and the way it was constructed
Eh?
Guy on talksport saying his sources in France saying the bid was never excepted, Lorient want more money, a bid of £8 million was made in staggered payments.
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His Youtube video is dire, aren't they supposed to make a player look good?
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Bid rejected, no fee agreed and the way it was constructed
Eh?
Guy on talksport saying his sources in France saying the bid was never excepted, Lorient want more money, a bid of £8 million was made in staggered payments.
You mean all these puns and songs were for nothing?
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So having looked on a few international forums, their fans are astonished that we have bought him for that much.
They bought him for 4m euro last year and by all accounts he has been shit. There isn't one positive comment from French fans.
Sounds like that Belgian bloke we bought. He wasn't worth seven million.
Yeah or he could be shit - guess we'll find out
Yes but surely that's always the case. Also there are no positive comments at all even with his record last year?
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His Youtube video is dire, aren't they supposed to make a player look good?
No reflection on the player, but at least two of the goals in the video were penalties. If I was a scout, that shows me he's capable of taking a penalty, and since we rarely get them...
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If we do sign him, I hope he will be more successful than our last Ghananian signing.
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Ghananiaaa!
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Ayyy-ew, Ayyyyyyyyy-ew
Ayew scores and we want some more
Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4
Ayew scores and we want some more
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His Youtube video is dire, aren't they supposed to make a player look good?
I'm hoping it's like the Top Gear lap, i.e. the ones that look crap are good and the ones that look good are crap. I've seen enough of the second category to know this must be at least half true.
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Ghananian
It was a mistake, but I'm quite proud of that!
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So having looked on a few international forums, their fans are astonished that we have bought him for that much.
They bought him for 4m euro last year and by all accounts he has been shit. There isn't one positive comment from French fans.
Sounds like that Belgian bloke we bought. He wasn't worth seven million.
Yeah or he could be shit - guess we'll find out
Yes but surely that's always the case. Also there are no positive comments at all even with his record last year?
Yeah some, certainly not the consensus though - although many of the comments were based on the initial sky report of £12m GBP.
I cant for one minute believe he can be worse than Weimann, NZog etc in the wide/inside forward role
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We really are immersed in the French market this season. We have been saying. For a while how well Newcastle have done there in recent years. These lads might only consider us a stepping stone but we need to do well with them to keep them as long as possible and push us forward. Encouraged by this. Him and Adebayor on loan wouldn't be bad at all.
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Perhaps we are looking for the next Thierry Henry?. Perhaps he doesn't exist! We could try scouting the German leagues where I am sure there is talent aplenty.
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Ghananian
It was a mistake, but I'm quite proud of that!
Its like Canadians being from Canadia
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His Youtube video is dire, aren't they supposed to make a player look good?
I remember you said that about Benteke. The reason I remember was because I agreed with you!
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We could try scouting the German leagues where I am sure there is talent aplenty.
Getting German players to leave Germany is hard judging by the amount that play in other countries.
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Sorry if this has already been said - but Ayew, Gueye, and Adebayor (if we signed him) will all presumably be missing for the African Cup of Nations.
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His Youtube video is dire, aren't they supposed to make a player look good?
No reflection on the player, but at least two of the goals in the video were penalties. If I was a scout, that shows me he's capable of taking a penalty, and since we rarely get them...
For half of last year we barely got out of our own half. By being more attacking and having some tricky players, that should hopefully change.
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Sorry if this has already been said - but Ayew, Gueye, and Adebayor (if we signed him) will all presumably be missing for the African Cup of Nations.
If their respective nations qualify - and not this season, as the next one isn't until 2017
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Sorry if this has already been said - but Ayew, Gueye, and Adebayor (if we signed him) will all presumably be missing for the African Cup of Nations.
Somebody did say that Adebayor may no longer be playing for Togo. I do seem to remember he quit for a bit after the coach shooting (in which Salifou was involved too). Also, there's no guarantee that Togo will qualify, I would imagine Ghana and Senegal will though.
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Sorry if this has already been said - but Ayew, Gueye, and Adebayor (if we signed him) will all presumably be missing for the African Cup of Nations.
Somebody did say that Adebayor may no longer be playing for Togo. I do seem to remember he quite for a bit after the coach shooting (in which Salifou was involved too). Also, there's no guarantee that Togo will qualify, I would imagine Ghana and Senegal will though.
I was stupidly thinking it was every year - which obviously, now I think about it, it isn't!
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Sorry if this has already been said - but Ayew, Gueye, and Adebayor (if we signed him) will all presumably be missing for the African Cup of Nations.
The next one's not until 2017.
I think it was 'Stingray' where the Voiceover exclaimed, 'Anything can happen in the next half hour!'
We might have a completely different line up by then. :)
Last in, but the first with a Gerry Anderson reference.
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I just hope the club shop has stocked up on As and Ys.
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Sorry if this has already been said - but Ayew, Gueye, and Adebayor (if we signed him) will all presumably be missing for the African Cup of Nations.
The next one's not until 2017.
I think it was 'Stingray' where the Voiceover exclaimed, 'Anything can happen in the next half hour!'
We might have a completely different line up by then. :)
Last in, but the first with a Gerry Anderson reference.
now you have done it...I now have that theme tune running around in my head :)
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The Doc
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I just hope the club shop has stocked up on As and Ys.
Ashley Young coming to B6 :)
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The Doc
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Brill, thanks Doc! :)
( for Stingray)
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Sorry if this has already been said - but Ayew, Gueye, and Adebayor (if we signed him) will all presumably be missing for the African Cup of Nations.
The next one's not until 2017.
I think it was 'Stingray' where the Voiceover exclaimed, 'Anything can happen in the next half hour!'
We might have a completely different line up by then. :)
Last in, but the first with a Gerry Anderson reference.
now you have done it...I now have that theme tune running around in my head :)
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The Doc
I have a thing for Marina, a woman who can hold her breath forever and never speaks. What more could you ask for?
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talkshite saying bid rejected
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Sorry if this has already been said - but Ayew, Gueye, and Adebayor (if we signed him) will all presumably be missing for the African Cup of Nations.
The next one's not until 2017.
I think it was 'Stingray' where the Voiceover exclaimed, 'Anything can happen in the next half hour!'
We might have a completely different line up by then. :)
Last in, but the first with a Gerry Anderson reference.
now you have done it...I now have that theme tune running around in my head :)
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The Doc
I have a thing for Marina, a woman who can hold her breath forever and never speaks. What more could you ask for?
Holidays starting today... :)
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Thanks Doc, for the stingray intro.
GOD, I BLOODY LOVED STINGRAY!!!
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talkshite saying bid rejected
Clubs will try and bleed us now they know we have the benteke money.
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I have just been swapping messages with a French mate about our new signings.
He reckons Ayew (if he signs) is quite good, but selfish. He didn't have strong opinions on Gueye and Amavi because they played for "dull" mid-table teams who he would rarely watch for more than 20 minutes. He did point out that Nice's defence was poor last season though so he said to "beware of the left back"!
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Talk sport
Contrary to reports, Warren reveals Aston Villa’s bid for Ghana international Jordan Ayew has been rejected by Lorient.
The west Midlands club are thought to have bid in the region of £8m, but the Ligue 1 side want around £11m. He also suggests Lorient are unhappy with Villa’s terms of payment, calling them ‘completely unacceptable’.
I know its not my money and all that, but he doesn't look like an 11mil player.
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I would be happy to move on to other targets. It's been common knowledge Benteke wouldn't be here next season so I'm sure the club have a list of strikers targeted and won't be knee jerking any last minute signings.....
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We've apparently offered them roughly double what they paid for him last season and he had a promising but hardly spectacular season. Fuck 'em if they're trying to leach the Benteke funds from us.
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We've apparently offered them roughly double what they paid for him last season and he had a promising but hardly spectacular season. Fuck 'em if they're trying to leach the Benteke funds from us.
that will be a common theme for all our negotiations. loathe to pay over the top, but doubt we have a choice, and we need some bodies in
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Benteke was a gamble and that paid off, lets hope he will be the same.
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Aren't we getting a bit ahead of ourselves? Has there been any solid confirmation that a bid has been made/accepted?
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Just got home and my neighbour came down the drive tutting and taking sharp intakes of breath: he informs me that Gueye and Amavi are good buys but Ayew is "a dickhead and a waste of money".
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It's amazing how knowledgeable people are about players they've either never heard of or have seen on FIFA
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How can Barry Hearn afford to turn down £12m, they're not exactly awash with cash are they.....
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It's amazing how knowledgeable people are about players they've either never heard of or have seen on FIFA
Theree a chance BE's neighbour has seen him at close quarters.
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Well at least we seem to be going for it for a change...
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Kind of be glad we miss out here based on the mixed feedback.
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talkshite saying bid rejected
Or, conversely, there is this . IMO, the Talkshite ITK ( Lóriente mouthpiece ) is being fed BS to pass on to us, in order to get a few Euros more for his paymaster ...........Godzvilla!
Agent: 'Jordan Ayew to discuss Aston Villa personal terms after bid is accepted'
Lorient's Ghanaian forward Jordan Ayew celebrates with teammates after scoring a goal during the French L1 football match between Paris Saint-Germain (PSG) and FC Lorient on March 20, 2015© Getty Images
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By Tom Nightingale, Reporter
Filed: Friday, July 24, 2015 at 18:55 UK
Last Updated: Friday, July 24, 2015 at 18:55 UK
Jordan Ayew's agent has confirmed that Aston Villa have made an offer for the Lorient striker, and says he is hopeful that the player will be allowed to travel to Birmingham tonight to discuss personal terms.
Earlier today it was reported that Villa had had a £12m bid accepted for the 23-year-old Ghana international.
Ayew's representative Mark McKay has now confirmed the bid and says that the deal to bring his client to England is progressing quickly.
"Villa have made an offer for Jordan Ayew to Alex Hayes vice-president of Lorient," McKay told the Birmingham Mail. Things are moving quickly. We are hoping Jordan will be allowed to travel from Lorient to Birmingham tonight to discuss personal terms.
"Tim Sherwood is an admirer of Jordan and feels he could be a big success in the Premier League."
Ayew scored 15 goals for Lorient last season playing in a variety of roles in attack, and would reinforce Villa's frontline following the sale of Christian Benteke to Liverpool.
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Kind of be glad we miss out here based on the mixed feedback.
Bloke on Talk Sport just now ,pretty confident deal will be struck
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Just got home and my neighbour came down the drive tutting and taking sharp intakes of breath: he informs me that Gueye and Amavi are good buys but Ayew is "a dickhead and a waste of money".
How do you say that in French ?
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Kind of be glad we miss out here based on the mixed feedback.
Bloke on Talk Sport just now ,pretty confident deal will be struck
Bloke. Talk Sport. Gospel!
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Just got home and my neighbour came down the drive tutting and taking sharp intakes of breath: he informs me that Gueye and Amavi are good buys but Ayew is "a dickhead and a waste of money".
How do you say that in French ?
Ayew est un connard et un gaspillage d'argent.
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Ayew, Ayew it's up The Holte we go, Ayew, Ayew, it's up the Holte we go...
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Kind of be glad we miss out here based on the mixed feedback.
Aar, Jim lad!
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Kind of be glad we miss out here based on the mixed feedback.
Bloke on Talk Sport just now ,pretty confident deal will be struck
Bloke. Talk Sport. Gospel!
I started the thread, I'm grasping at straws!
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kin ell,
the king is dead, long live the king, er well who is this guy
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Jordan Ayew would be the type of player who Barry Fry would have signed a few years ago. Some talent, a little bit of a problem off the pitch,
and moved on at a loss as quietly as possible within a year. If Arry had still been at QPR he would also have taken a chance. I don't want him at Villa Park but Sherwood thinks he may have something. As usual,we shall see.
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At the end of the day it's up to the manager and staff to manage him. If he signs give him a chance......give him the luuuuuvvvv. Remember John Carew he was supposed
to be a problem child.
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I think we knew this ride might not be dull. I say bring it on - if he can score goals and contribute so that we aren't scraping around the bottom for another season then I say bring it on big time
Sherwood said the club needed shaking up and he wasn't wrong so why knock it
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I remember him in world cup 2014 vs states looking lively but raw.
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It's amazing how knowledgeable people are about players they've either never heard of or have seen on FIFA
Theree a chance BE's neighbour has seen him at close quarters.
Ha! He's in his late thirties and may well play FIFA on his PS3. He is a subscriber to Canal+ and watches lots of football. Ligue 1 football.
So he's a French version of many on here.
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Here we go.....
Aston Villa:
Last night, RMC journalist Mohamed Bouhafsi reported Aston Villa had made a £7m offer for FC Lorient's Jordan Ayew, new Swansea signing André's brother.
The striker has a bit of a bad reputation in France but is still an incredibly talented player.
The sum offered by Aston Villa means Lorient will seriously consider this bid, but some might think it's a big risk for someone the French press have compared to Mario Balotelli on more than one occasion (in terms of behaviour).
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Just got home and my neighbour came down the drive tutting and taking sharp intakes of breath: he informs me that Gueye and Amavi are good buys but Ayew is "a dickhead and a waste of money".
How do you say that in French ?
Ayew est un connard et un gaspillage d'argent.
"Ayew ? Non, non non. Tête de noeud. De l'argent gaspillé."
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Here we go.....
Aston Villa:
Last night, RMC journalist Mohamed Bouhafsi reported Aston Villa had made a £7m offer for FC Lorient's Jordan Ayew, new Swansea signing André's brother.
The striker has a bit of a bad reputation in France but is still an incredibly talented player.
The sum offered by Aston Villa means Lorient will seriously consider this bid, but some might think it's a big risk for someone the French press have compared to Mario Balotelli on more than one occasion (in terms of behaviour).
Might make things interesting
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The striker has a bit of a bad reputation in France but is still an incredibly talented player.
The sum offered by Aston Villa means Lorient will seriously consider this bid, but some might think it's a big risk for someone the French press have compared to Mario Balotelli on more than one occasion (in terms of behaviour).
Not getting a good vibe about this one
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Ayew...with the stars in your eyes...
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No idea whether he has talent but it sounds like it could be fun, after all it is meant to be entertainment.
The underpants thing could get annoying though.
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The striker has a bit of a bad reputation in France but is still an incredibly talented player.
The sum offered by Aston Villa means Lorient will seriously consider this bid, but some might think it's a big risk for someone the French press have compared to Mario Balotelli on more than one occasion (in terms of behaviour).
Not getting a good vibe about this one
I've read he's more like Ronaldo, not in his play, but he winds people up with his arrogance.
No bad thing. He appears to be very talented but not a real goalscorer.
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The striker has a bit of a bad reputation in France but is still an incredibly talented player.
The sum offered by Aston Villa means Lorient will seriously consider this bid, but some might think it's a big risk for someone the French press have compared to Mario Balotelli on more than one occasion (in terms of behaviour).
Not getting a good vibe about this one
You wouldn't get a good vibe if you had a winning lottery ticket in your possession.
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So he's a French version of many on here.
That bad eh?
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Ayew...with the stars in your eyes...
I would fly Ayew to the moon and back
If you'd be, if you'd be (my baby)
Got a ticket to a world where I don't belong (Bournemouth )
If Ayew'd be my baby.
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The striker has a bit of a bad reputation in France but is still an incredibly talented player.
The sum offered by Aston Villa means Lorient will seriously consider this bid, but some might think it's a big risk for someone the French press have compared to Mario Balotelli on more than one occasion (in terms of behaviour).
Not getting a good vibe about this one
You wouldn't get a good vibe if you had a winning lottery ticket in your possession.
And Brian Wilson singing in the background.
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Ayew lonseome tonight,
do you miss delph tonight
are you sorry benteke depart?
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Sky Sports on their Transfer Centre Live at 22-02 saying he has arrived in the UK ahead of a medical tomorrow. Also quote him as speaking to Sky Sports News HQ.
How reliable is this? Any one know?
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Ayew arrives in England
Jordan Ayew has arrived in England ahead of his £12m move to Aston Villa.
He is expected to have his medical on Sunday.
“I’m delighted to have arrived in the UK and to have the opportunity to join a club the size of Aston Villa,” Ayew told Sky Sports News.
“I’m looking forward to meeting the manager and I am very excited about the prospect of playing in the best league in the world.
“I’m sure with the new players that Aston Villa are bringing in that we can all work together to make it a great season for a great football club.”
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Here we go.....
Aston Villa:
Last night, RMC journalist Mohamed Bouhafsi reported Aston Villa had made a £7m offer for FC Lorient's Jordan Ayew, new Swansea signing André's brother.
The striker has a bit of a bad reputation in France but is still an incredibly talented player.
The sum offered by Aston Villa means Lorient will seriously consider this bid, but some might think it's a big risk for someone the French press have compared to Mario Balotelli on more than one occasion (in terms of behaviour).
So are we getting Balotelli in too so they can play (up) together?
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He's saying the right things so far. Let's hope he can deliver on the pitch. Got to say it will be refreshing to see something different than we have suffered in the last 4-5 years anyway
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Ayew, Gueye,
Ade, Amavi, that's the way it should be...
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A-Yew ready to ruuuuuummmmmbbblllleeeee?
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so were at the medical stage, and to be honest nobody here knows anything about him.
how is he in the multi million pound bracket???
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Record sales?
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I'm liking the sound of this player. Attitude, skill, bit of a maverick, controversial etc.
at least he'll liven things up and give us something to shout about. Sign him up!
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so Louizie, where do you pitch him somewhere between direction 1 and darts ????
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A'Yew Tree Cottage, good little curry house
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so Louizie, where do you pitch him somewhere between direction 1 and darts ????
Not Ayew 2 ;)
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I'm liking the sound of this player. Attitude, skill, bit of a maverick, controversial etc.
at least he'll liven things up and give us something to shout about. Sign him up!
Which is something we do agree on. Who was the last genuine head the ball player we had - Bosnich?
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A'Yew Tree Cottage, good little curry house
I wondered about that, so you reckon its alright??
can you take your own beer???
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I'm liking the sound of this player. Attitude, skill, bit of a maverick, controversial etc.
at least he'll liven things up and give us something to shout about. Sign him up!
Me too SH. He's very quick and while at Marseille considered a very talented prospect. He was more a wide player than an out and out striker there and he's moved to a more central role at Lorient. We are signing far more interesting and exciting players than in recent seasons and from a league that has produced a number of very fine technical and skilful players.
Speaking of Marseille, check out these two beauties from earlier this year by Jordan vs his former club (0:38 and 2:07).
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I'm liking the sound of this player. Attitude, skill, bit of a maverick, controversial etc.
at least he'll liven things up and give us something to shout about. Sign him up!
Which is something we do agree on. Who was the last genuine head the ball player we had - Bosnich?
Probably. I was gutted when he left.
The fans need a lift. Spend this money wisely and we could be a completely different outfit next season.
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A'Yew Tree Cottage, good little curry house
I wondered about that, so you reckon its alright??
can you take your own beer???
Good curry house Tony, been there at least 25 years which says it all. Licensed though so keep the cans in the car.
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???Ayew okay I say he's like mane for pace and talent ! Also as a striker like diouf at stoke but not as good in air but more skillz. He could play up top or either side of front three think rahem sterling . I remember him from world cup but was raw.
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Alpay?
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I'm liking the sound of this player. Attitude, skill, bit of a maverick, controversial etc.
at least he'll liven things up and give us something to shout about. Sign him up!
Which is something we do agree on. Who was the last genuine head the ball player we had - Bosnich?
I still almost have some lustful thoughts when I watch his penalty save and subsequent reaction at the Sty in 1993.
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I'm liking the sound of this player. Attitude, skill, bit of a maverick, controversial etc.
at least he'll liven things up and give us something to shout about. Sign him up!
Which is something we do agree on. Who was the last genuine head the ball player we had - Bosnich?
Herd ?
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Losing Benteke will change how we play. Having these quicker more skilful players will hopefully see a more technical style. We still have Kozak to mix it up but I'm looking forward to us playing a better style of football.
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Ayew, Bacuna, Gil and Gardner
Ayew, Bacuna, A-a-a-a-a-yew
Life in a Northern town
Ayew, Bacuna
Surely Life in A Midlands Town?
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Ayew...with the stars in your eyes...
I would fly Ayew to the moon and back
If you'd be, if you'd be (my baby)
Got a ticket to a world where I don't belong (Bournemouth )
If Ayew'd be my baby.
Ayew-ooooo, Werewolves of Witton...................I´ll get me coat...Godzvilla!
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It'd be such an anticlimax if he didn't sign, now.
The pre-match music for his home debut is all planned, if a bit eclectic.
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He sounds like a character, looks a talent. I hope this one gets wrapped up over the weekend, then Adebayor, then a couple of midfielders.
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I don't really know much about him, but reading up on him today, it seems he's a bit of a headcase.
With Sherwood running things and players like that, at least next season will be entertaining. It certainly won't be like this:
(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4293471.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Premiership-3pm-Kick-offs.jpg)
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Saw a tweet from WM saying that he's arrived in Birmingham.
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A'Yew Tree Cottage, good little curry house
I wondered about that, so you reckon its alright??
can you take your own beer???
Good curry house Tony, been there at least 25 years which says it all. Licensed though so keep the cans in the car.
It's pretty good there. Must be if you're not moaning about it! ;-)
Don't think this means you get to join The Yardley Massive though.
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Get French Football @GFN_France 2h2 hours ago
Jordan Ayew to Sky Sports: “I’m delighted to have arrived in the UK and to have the opportunity to join a club the size of Aston Villa."
Get French Football @GFN_France
Jordan Ayew to Sky Sports: "I’m looking forward to meeting the manager & I'm very excited about playing in the best league in the world."
10:07 PM - 24 Jul 2015
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Sounds pretty much done and dusted to me.
Ayew all excited?
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He's got a grandmother from Yorkshire. Ayewp.
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If we sign Darder too, we could sing:
All we hear is
Okore to Darder
Darder to Ayew
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I don't really know much about him, but reading up on him today, it seems he's a bit of a headcase.
With Sherwood running things and players like that, at least next season will be entertaining. It certainly won't be like this:
(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4293471.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Premiership-3pm-Kick-offs.jpg)
They look like they're both shitting, which is appropriate really.
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His dad was a sailor.
Pop-ayew.
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If we sign Darder too, we could sing:
All we hear is
Okore to Darder
Darder to Ayew
I like this. Thumbs up sir!!
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By having a number of quick, skilful players I suspect we'll be a very good counter attacking team and have a decent away record.
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Ayew selling the matchday programme there?
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Is that Mark Bunn in your pocket, or Ayew just happy to see me.
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Ayew experienced?
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Get off my cloud.
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Ayew, don't make it bad
Take a sad club and make it better
Remember to take Villa into your heart
Then you can start to make it better
nah nah nah nah nah na nah AYEW
The Scousers stole our best player we'll steal their music 😃
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You mean like the positive comments our departing captain received!? 😂
Haha! Sorry Guys! That was a response to a comment at the bottom of page 6, which I thought I'd quoted. I'll do better next time.
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http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2015/jordan-ayew-goes-rogue-lorient-have-not-accepted-offer-from-aston-villa/? (http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2015/jordan-ayew-goes-rogue-lorient-have-not-accepted-offer-from-aston-villa/?)
Interesting developments here
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We're obviously getting a bit of a rep as moneybags villa in France
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Ayew...with the stars in your eyes...
I would fly Ayew to the moon and back
If you'd be, if you'd be (my baby)
Got a ticket to a world where I don't belong (Bournemouth )
If Ayew'd be my baby.
Ayew-ooooo, Werewolves of Witton...................I´ll get me coat...Godzvilla!
The winner
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http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2015/jordan-ayew-goes-rogue-lorient-have-not-accepted-offer-from-aston-villa/? (http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2015/jordan-ayew-goes-rogue-lorient-have-not-accepted-offer-from-aston-villa/?)
Interesting developments here
Blimey are we signing the whole family?!?
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This blokes going to be fun I'm liking it.
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Seems like he has a bit of an attitude and might well do the same to us if he turns out to be any good here.
Looks like the bid may not have been accepted after all and he's just trying to force a move, nice guy ::)
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Well he's very positive about coming here, and that statement leaves me with no Delph like illusions about how it will end if he turns out to be any good!
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Sounds like he's holed up in Brum somewhere then .
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Benteke threatened to go on strike didn't he? He turned out to be okay.
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so am I reading this right. He is in Brum. The Club want more coin. and he's threatening to do a Benbteke?
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so am I reading this right. He is in Brum. The Club want more coin. and he's threatening to do a Benbteke?
Yarp
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he'll do nicely.
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Get in. Onto the next one ASAP.
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Sounds like he's holed up in Brum somewhere then .
Legs XI?
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Seems like he has a bit of an attitude and might well do the same to us if he turns out to be any good here.
Looks like the bid may not have been accepted after all and he's just trying to force a move, nice guy ::)
OR, he was told he could leave for a certain amount, we agreed to pay it only for Lorient to increase the fee. He feels like he's been lied to. A situation easily avoided by having his buyout conditions in black and white on a contract that all parties have agreed on.
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Get in. Onto the next one ASAP.
I thought you said you were glad we could be missing out on him?
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Why did I just read Ayew's comments in a Joey Bartonesqe French accent?
I like this lad. He says it like it is. Get it done, move on to the next one!
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Get in. Onto the next one ASAP.
I thought you said you were glad we could be missing out on him?
With just 2 weeks to season start we are now in a "beggars can't be choosers" situation . We need at least 3 more in after this guy.
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This is where we, as football fans, show our double standards (and I include myself in that). If one of our players did this we would be calling him all sorts of bastards but as we are the ones looking to benefit we don't give a toss.
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Get in. Onto the next one ASAP.
I thought you said you were glad we could be missing out on him?
With just 2 weeks to season start we are now in a "beggars can't be choosers" situation . We need at least 3 more in after this guy.
The transfer window is open until the end of August. We've got plenty of time.
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Get in. Onto the next one ASAP.
I thought you said you were glad we could be missing out on him?
With just 2 weeks to season start we are now in a "beggars can't be choosers" situation . We need at least 3 more in after this guy.
The transfer window is open until the end of August. We've got plenty of time.
I made the point before , we have 3 winnable games in August , we could do with getting off on the front foot .
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Get in. Onto the next one ASAP.
I thought you said you were glad we could be missing out on him?
With just 2 weeks to season start we are now in a "beggars can't be choosers" situation . We need at least 3 more in after this guy.
The transfer window is open until the end of August. We've got plenty of time.
I made the point before , we have 3 winnable games in August , we could do with getting off on the front foot .
I agree, but we're hardly in a 'beggars can't be chooser's' situation really.
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The other thing to consider is that there will be good players to be had as the window closes. Its perfectly good business in the market place to buy at the last minute. I cannot be critical of Villa for not being panicked into acquisitions. Austin is a typical case in point.
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The other thing to consider is that there will be good players to be had as the window closes. Its perfectly good business in the market place to buy at the last minute. I cannot be critical of Villa for not being panicked into acquisitions. Austin is a typical case in point.
That can go either way though, say a club makes a poor start to the season doesn't score a goal in their opening games then come deadline day that striker they need becomes an even more pressing requirement .
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We need players in now. Our forward line is threadbare. Players, especially from abroad need time to bed in. Leaving it to the end of August is far too risky with a small squad lacking quality.
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Benteke threatened to go on strike didn't he? He turned out to be okay.
Benteke turned out to be looking to leave almost from the time he arrived, but, yes, he did do more than OK for us both in terms of the goals scored and the profit made. I'll be happy enough if he turns out the same, just saying you can see what you're getting.
His statement of really wanting to be here doesn't actually mean anything different to Gueye's of wanting to go 'bigger' - it shows when they want a move they will go after it. Being where we are at the moment, this is OK. Players who will do well enough for us to help us step up whether they stay or go is what we want, and hopefully what we are getting.
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What has to be remembered is that new players are not like new cars. They don't simply start when you press the button. The Beast attracted quite a lot of criticism in his first few games while other players, Didier Six for example go like shit off a shovel in their first games then become invisible. August is always a phoney war with freak results and in my opinion it is not worth skewing your whole team building strategy to be second in the table after three games and the worst team in the Premiership by a country mile in February.
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Granted, but equally if we hadn't gotten off to a good start last season in August we'd have finished bottom of the league and would be looking forward to the championship now .
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Yes, August is a strange month, but I'd rather we take the wins than draws or losses.
We are in no position to throw any points away, we have a new backbone to the team, and they need to gel damn quick.
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Spot on, we are a fickle bunch*
*No more fickle than any other set of fans
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What has to be remembered is that new players are not like new cars. They don't simply start when you press the button. The Beast attracted quite a lot of criticism in his first few games while other players, Didier Six for example go like shit off a shovel in their first games then become invisible. August is always a phoney war with freak results and in my opinion it is not worth skewing your whole team building strategy to be second in the table after three games and the worst team in the Premiership by a country mile in February.
I agree, Brian. The majority of business usually gets done in August, with players and agents taking their time to assess options. We are looking for players for 3 years, not 3 games.
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Granted, but equally if we hadn't gotten off to a good start last season in August we'd have finished bottom of the league and would be looking forward to the championship now .
As someone posted previously, the team we played versus Stoke was one of the worst we used all season.
I'd prefer we made the right signings rather than worry too much about the timing. After all they are typically on three/four year deals so it is daft to focus too much on the first six or so games of that potential period.
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Personally, I think Liverpool will come in with a late bid and he will be referred to by the locals as "Ayews"
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This is where we, as football fans, show our double standards (and I include myself in that). If one of our players did this we would be calling him all sorts of bastards but as we are the ones looking to benefit we don't give a toss.
'Some of us'
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Sil, I hear and respect what you are saying about those early points last year but my view is that they only became absolutely essential for our survival because we left it too long to dispense with the services of Paul Lambert. Nothing remotely like that is going to happen next season, or hopefully ever again now that we have woken up to the necessity of having structure and order and forward planning at the club.
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Granted, but equally if we hadn't gotten off to a good start last season in August we'd have finished bottom of the league and would be looking forward to the championship now .
Being absolutely shocking until we decided to get rid of Lambert played it's part in that.
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Get in. Onto the next one ASAP.
I thought you said you were glad we could be missing out on him?
With just 2 weeks to season start we are now in a "beggars can't be choosers" situation . We need at least 3 more in after this guy.
The transfer window is open until the end of August. We've got plenty of time.
I made the point before , we have 3 winnable games in August , we could do with getting off on the front foot .
We have 4 games in August. They are all winnable or have you given up on one of them already before the season has even started?
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We have 38 winnable games infront of us at the moment.
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40, including the first game in each cup.
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Looking at the Lorient forum, it seems opinion is divided. Some wouldn't be fussed if he left, while others quite like him. Apparently he was shite to begin with, but then went on to have a good season and scored some important goals, despite playing in the CAN.
Although they all agree that if we're bidding anything over 12 million euros, Féry should bite our hands off.
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Is he still in B'ham? If so, will they still press ahead with a medical? To me, this will probably still go through as players tend to get their way...
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Looking at the Lorient forum, it seems opinion is divided. Some wouldn't be fussed if he left, while others quite like him. Apparently he was shite to begin with, but then went on to have a good season and scored some important goals, despite playing in the CAN.
Although they all agree that if we're bidding anything over 12 million euros, Féry should bite our hands off.
That article a few pages back suggests he joined them without having a preseason and was not initially a starter but played his way into the team. Which stacks up with he comments above. It sounds like he is an improving player but it is largely potential at the moment rather than the finished article.
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This is where we, as football fans, show our double standards (and I include myself in that). If one of our players did this we would be calling him all sorts of bastards but as we are the ones looking to benefit we don't give a toss.
Exactly what I was thinking, the hypocrisy.
I wouldn't say I don't give a toss, mind, it makes me feel uneasy, but we'll all forget this, like we did with Benteke when he did similar.
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what division are this orient in? is the equivalent of the championship? I don't want another baloban bostic on our hans
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I don't want another baloban bostic on our hans
Fritz ok, they're a top flight side.
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what division are this orient in? is the equivalent of the championship? I don't want another baloban bostic on our hans
what division are this orient in? is the equivalent of the championship? I don't want another baloban bostic on our hans
at least Barry Hearn sold them, he's a horrible man to do business with
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I don't want another baloban bostic on our hans
Fritz ok, they're a top flight side.
hey!!!
I dare say Galway are a top flight side , but!!
Have they won the European cup??
could they beat small heath??
what does the Birmingham mail say about them??
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Is he still in B'ham? If so, will they still press ahead with a medical? To me, this will probably still go through as players tend to get their way...
Hmmm, I'm not sure we could press ahead with a medical if there is no club agreement. At the moment all he's done is an Odemwingie job and pitched up in Aston.
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And you know that for certain ?
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And you know that for certain ?
No, that's based on the reports that say they have rejected our bid ? Have you heard differently ?
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Lorient are in Ligue 1, but they're a mid to low end of the table side. Definitely not a big or sexy club. Sort of like a Breton version of Norwich.
It's funny. We're all quite bitter about lottery-winning clubs like Man City exerting such stupendous financial dominance over the rest of us. But from the point of view of a Ligue 1 side like Lorient, Villa are also a moneybags outfit taking the piss.
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They finished 7th last season.
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SKY sources reporting we have agreed a fee now....
UTV
The Doc
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His quotes in the Mirror kind of emulate an attitude I'm not exactly fond of, but I understand his frustration. England isn't the country to voice your anger publicly to the press, it never turns out well. Hope we can just get it done and dusted.
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This is where we, as football fans, show our double standards (and I include myself in that). If one of our players did this we would be calling him all sorts of bastards but as we are the ones looking to benefit we don't give a toss.
yep, got to agree, and like you I include myself
most things in football are looked at from a very one eyed point of view
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SKY sources reporting we have agreed a fee now....
UTV
The Doc
They said that yesterday.
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This is where we, as football fans, show our double standards (and I include myself in that). If one of our players did this we would be calling him all sorts of bastards but as we are the ones looking to benefit we don't give a toss.
yep, got to agree, and like you I include myself
most things in football are looked at from a very one eyed point of view
Whilst I agree, it's difficult to know exactly what's going on at the moment. Ayew's last interview suggested that L'Orient had changed the asking price because it was a Premiership Club involved. That said, if there's no agreement between the clubs, Ayew really shouldn't have flown over.
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Sil, I hear and respect what you are saying about those early points last year but my view is that they only became absolutely essential for our survival because we left it too long to dispense with the services of Paul Lambert. Nothing remotely like that is going to happen next season, or hopefully ever again now that we have woken up to the necessity of having structure and order and forward planning at the club.
I have to disagree with you Brian, the season is 38 games long and a professionally run club should be prepared for the season when it starts in order to maximise our chances in all games. It makes sense to get signings in early to get them as much of a pre-season and settling in period as possible. There was plenty of time to set up deals before the window opened, before pre-season, and there still is before the season starts. Liverpool are a good example of a club that almost always look to do the bulk of their business early on, and they've made a fair few solid signing well before the season starts. The latter part of the window should be for adding the final touches not for doing the bulk of your business while early points are being chucked away. A bad start can be very hard to recover from, and I'm a great believer in the phrase ""fail to prepare, prepare to fail".
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They finished 7th last season.
Nah, they finished 16th.
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Oh yeah, that was 2009!!
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They finished 7th last season.
Nah, they finished 16th.
I suppose it isn't fair to say , but fuck it.
As "a top flight side" laughs up sleeve, there pretty much on a par with the lower leagues of England, ie York City. So on that basis, wtf are we doing offering a boat load of money for a player from York, we aint no big time charlies , ask Fabian, so renegotiate , half the offering price and threaten the town of orient with the guillotine, or we'll Taunt them some more.
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They finished 7th last season.
Nah, they finished 16th.
I suppose it isn't fair to say , but fuck it.
As "a top flight side" laughs up sleeve, there pretty much on a par with the lower leagues of England, ie York City. So on that basis, wtf are we doing offering a boat load of money for a player from York, we aint no big time charlies , ask Fabian, so renegotiate , half the offering price and threaten the town of orient with the guillotine, or we'll Taunt them some more.
How do you figure that the lower half of the French top flight is the same level as the English fourth division? That's utter bollocks.
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They finished 7th last season.
Nah, they finished 16th.
I suppose it isn't fair to say , but fuck it.
As "a top flight side" laughs up sleeve, there pretty much on a par with the lower leagues of England, ie York City. So on that basis, wtf are we doing offering a boat load of money for a player from York, we aint no big time charlies , ask Fabian, so renegotiate , half the offering price and threaten the town of orient with the guillotine, or we'll Taunt them some more.
How do you figure that the lower half of the French top flight is the same level as the English fourth division? That's utter bollocks.
that's exactly my point the lower half of the French league is utter bolox.
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Sil, I hear and respect what you are saying about those early points last year but my view is that they only became absolutely essential for our survival because we left it too long to dispense with the services of Paul Lambert. Nothing remotely like that is going to happen next season, or hopefully ever again now that we have woken up to the necessity of having structure and order and forward planning at the club.
I have to disagree with you Brian, the season is 38 games long and a professionally run club should be prepared for the season when it starts in order to maximise our chances in all games. It makes sense to get signings in early to get them as much of a pre-season and settling in period as possible. There was plenty of time to set up deals before the window opened, before pre-season, and there still is before the season starts. Liverpool are a good example of a club that almost always look to do the bulk of their business early on, and they've made a fair few solid signing well before the season starts. The latter part of the window should be for adding the final touches not for doing the bulk of your business while early points are being chucked away. A bad start can be very hard to recover from, and I'm a great believer in the phrase ""fail to prepare, prepare to fail".
Ideally yes, but in practice it rarely works like that. The majority of clubs will be doing business in August because so many deals are interdependent and because players, clubs and agents are still weighing up their options. You cite Liverpool but things are far more straightforward for them as they are seen as a much more attractive option than most other clubs.
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Sil, I hear and respect what you are saying about those early points last year but my view is that they only became absolutely essential for our survival because we left it too long to dispense with the services of Paul Lambert. Nothing remotely like that is going to happen next season, or hopefully ever again now that we have woken up to the necessity of having structure and order and forward planning at the club.
I have to disagree with you Brian, the season is 38 games long and a professionally run club should be prepared for the season when it starts in order to maximise our chances in all games. It makes sense to get signings in early to get them as much of a pre-season and settling in period as possible. There was plenty of time to set up deals before the window opened, before pre-season, and there still is before the season starts. Liverpool are a good example of a club that almost always look to do the bulk of their business early on, and they've made a fair few solid signing well before the season starts. The latter part of the window should be for adding the final touches not for doing the bulk of your business while early points are being chucked away. A bad start can be very hard to recover from, and I'm a great believer in the phrase ""fail to prepare, prepare to fail".
Ideally yes, but in practice it rarely works like that. The majority of clubs will be doing business in August because so many deals are interdependent and because players, clubs and agents are still weighing up their options. You cite Liverpool but things are far more straightforward for them as they are seen as a much more attractive option than most other clubs.
Was just about to post the same comment. Also have to bear in mind not all leagues finish at the same time and international competitions that have a knock on effect across European football.
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Sil, I hear and respect what you are saying about those early points last year but my view is that they only became absolutely essential for our survival because we left it too long to dispense with the services of Paul Lambert. Nothing remotely like that is going to happen next season, or hopefully ever again now that we have woken up to the necessity of having structure and order and forward planning at the club.
I have to disagree with you Brian, the season is 38 games long and a professionally run club should be prepared for the season when it starts in order to maximise our chances in all games. It makes sense to get signings in early to get them as much of a pre-season and settling in period as possible. There was plenty of time to set up deals before the window opened, before pre-season, and there still is before the season starts. Liverpool are a good example of a club that almost always look to do the bulk of their business early on, and they've made a fair few solid signing well before the season starts. The latter part of the window should be for adding the final touches not for doing the bulk of your business while early points are being chucked away. A bad start can be very hard to recover from, and I'm a great believer in the phrase ""fail to prepare, prepare to fail".
Spot on KT. The 6 P's
Early Preparation and planning prevents piss poor performance .
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From French Sports paper ´Le Telegramme´. read into it what you will.........Godzvilla!
Lorient vice-president: Aston Villa 'in talks' over Jordan Ayew, no deal agreed yet.
Lorient claim that whilst no deal has been agreed for Aston Villa to sign striker Jordan Ayew, talks are underway.
Lorient vice-president Alex Hayes has told Le Telegramme that Aston Villa have yet to reach an agreement for Jordan Ayew - but talks have been held.
However, Lorient vice-president Hayes has told Le Telegramme that whilst the two clubs are in 'deep talks' over the striker, there has been no agreement yet - and the player is expected to play in tonight's friendly against Caen.
"Jordan is under contract. He must be present this evening. We are deep in talks with Aston Villa," said Hayes. "For a deal to be done, both clubs need to agree. If the deal is done, it will be very good for him. If not, he is obliged to return. We hope in any case for a positive outcome," he added.
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From that, reading between the lines it appears we are in discussions to sign him with his current club.
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On this matter of when to buy, the transfer window is in effect an auction. In my own line of business I attend anything between two and eight auctions a week across East Anglia. Like all sales, the seller wants to get the most money he can, the buyer wants to pay the least. From a lifetime of experience you learn that the dynamic of a sale is a price peak between a third and a half way through a sale, but then as buyers spend their money the prices begin to fall and are at their lowest just before the end of a sale but the last few transactions the prices rise very sharply as panic buys kick in. It's not rocket science. You survey the entire range of what is on offer, whatever it might be, horses, properties, potatoes, cars and you don't dive in and chase the market if there are alternatives later in the day that are as good but cheaper. The richest men at the car auctions are those who buy in the last hour of a sale, leave their purchases overnight and put them in the first hour of the following day's sale. It is not failing to prepare it is using your money to best advantage. In horse dealing the practice has the great name of "pinhooking".
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Sage words Brian, my only comment is I think footballers as a commodity are a bit different to cars or fresh produce maybe ?
Also we have a season starting in 2 weeks .
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From that, reading between the lines it appears we are in discussions to sign him with his current club.
That's true, although it does seem to be inferring that perhaps the two clubs are yet to reach agreement. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
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From that, reading between the lines it appears we are in discussions to sign him with his current club.
That's true, although it does seem to be inferring that perhaps the two clubs are yet to reach agreement. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
The tone of their chairman suggests they're hopeful of a positive outcome, but that's just a hunch really.
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If they try to get more money than he's worth on the basis that we have recent sales and are a PL club, then I hope the club have the balls to move to other targets rather than pay over the odds.
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On this matter of when to buy, the transfer window is in effect an auction. In my own line of business I attend anything between two and eight auctions a week across East Anglia. Like all sales, the seller wants to get the most money he can, the buyer wants to pay the least. From a lifetime of experience you learn that the dynamic of a sale is a price peak between a third and a half way through a sale, but then as buyers spend their money the prices begin to fall and are at their lowest just before the end of a sale but the last few transactions the prices rise very sharply as panic buys kick in. It's not rocket science. You survey the entire range of what is on offer, whatever it might be, horses, properties, potatoes, cars and you don't dive in and chase the market if there are alternatives later in the day that are as good but cheaper. The richest men at the car auctions are those who buy in the last hour of a sale, leave their purchases overnight and put them in the first hour of the following day's sale. It is not failing to prepare it is using your money to best advantage. In horse dealing the practice has the great name of "pinhooking".
I don't think your analogy quite fits Brian. If you're still hanging around at the car or horse auction when the race has already started, you might get a good deal, but you aint going to win the race.
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On this matter of when to buy, the transfer window is in effect an auction. In my own line of business I attend anything between two and eight auctions a week across East Anglia. Like all sales, the seller wants to get the most money he can, the buyer wants to pay the least. From a lifetime of experience you learn that the dynamic of a sale is a price peak between a third and a half way through a sale, but then as buyers spend their money the prices begin to fall and are at their lowest just before the end of a sale but the last few transactions the prices rise very sharply as panic buys kick in. It's not rocket science. You survey the entire range of what is on offer, whatever it might be, horses, properties, potatoes, cars and you don't dive in and chase the market if there are alternatives later in the day that are as good but cheaper. The richest men at the car auctions are those who buy in the last hour of a sale, leave their purchases overnight and put them in the first hour of the following day's sale. It is not failing to prepare it is using your money to best advantage. In horse dealing the practice has the great name of "pinhooking".
I don't think your analogy quite fits Brian. If you're still hanging around at the car or horse auction when the race has already started, you might get a good deal, but you aint going to win the race.
Not this year but you will be better placed the year after and those following
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Our current squad is bereft of quality and goals. It's all well and good sitting tight at an auction but we are not in a position to do this and we aren't at an auction.
Our targets should have been identified weeks if not months ago. Why it's taking so long to sort is a very risky policy .
Am I concerned ? Yes, I am.
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On this matter of when to buy, the transfer window is in effect an auction. In my own line of business I attend anything between two and eight auctions a week across East Anglia. Like all sales, the seller wants to get the most money he can, the buyer wants to pay the least. From a lifetime of experience you learn that the dynamic of a sale is a price peak between a third and a half way through a sale, but then as buyers spend their money the prices begin to fall and are at their lowest just before the end of a sale but the last few transactions the prices rise very sharply as panic buys kick in. It's not rocket science. You survey the entire range of what is on offer, whatever it might be, horses, properties, potatoes, cars and you don't dive in and chase the market if there are alternatives later in the day that are as good but cheaper. The richest men at the car auctions are those who buy in the last hour of a sale, leave their purchases overnight and put them in the first hour of the following day's sale. It is not failing to prepare it is using your money to best advantage. In horse dealing the practice has the great name of "pinhooking".
I don't think your analogy quite fits Brian. If you're still hanging around at the car or horse auction when the race has already started, you might get a good deal, but you aint going to win the race.
Depends, the horse/car you're buying will be racing for 3 or 4 more years, so that has to be a consideration.
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Our current squad is bereft of quality and goals. It's all well and good sitting tight at an auction but we are not in a position to do this and we aren't at an auction.
Our targets should have been identified weeks if not months ago. Why it's taking so long to sort is a very risky policy .
Am I concerned ? Yes, I am.
Do you really think that we get to the first of July and then whoever the manager is sits down to start watching YouTube compilations, picks out 5 or 6 and says, "They'll do. Fuck it's only a couple of weeks until pre-season, we're bollocksed."
What we see of transfer deals is probably about 5% of interminable back and forth.
Sometimes you'll never find agreement, either on transfer fee, or you're so far apart on (what an agent has indicated) personal terms that it's not worth continuing.
We have no idea how much of this goes on, or how long this process has been going on with Ayew. I doubt that the first time Sherwood looked at him was the day before our interest was leaked.
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Our current squad is bereft of quality and goals. It's all well and good sitting tight at an auction but we are not in a position to do this and we aren't at an auction.
Our targets should have been identified weeks if not months ago. Why it's taking so long to sort is a very risky policy .
Am I concerned ? Yes, I am.
If we're buying from the market that Lambert shopped in things can be done a lot quicker. With the calibre of player we're looking to buy now, there's more to it because:-
a) their clubs want to keep them
b) you have to actually persuade them to come
c) there's more money involved
You can have a ham sandwich more or less whenever you want, but a Sunday roast takes more prep time.
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Our current squad is bereft of quality and goals. It's all well and good sitting tight at an auction but we are not in a position to do this and we aren't at an auction.
Our targets should have been identified weeks if not months ago. Why it's taking so long to sort is a very risky policy .
Am I concerned ? Yes, I am.
You concerned. Do you have any other settings? We could sign Messi and you'd be shitting it he might trip on the way out to the pitch.
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The good managers identify players and then have them watched for a considerable amount of time. That's the way I hope Sherwood is operating.
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It appears to me as if we have spent a decent amount of time in France doing just that.
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On this matter of when to buy, the transfer window is in effect an auction. In my own line of business I attend anything between two and eight auctions a week across East Anglia. Like all sales, the seller wants to get the most money he can, the buyer wants to pay the least. From a lifetime of experience you learn that the dynamic of a sale is a price peak between a third and a half way through a sale, but then as buyers spend their money the prices begin to fall and are at their lowest just before the end of a sale but the last few transactions the prices rise very sharply as panic buys kick in. It's not rocket science. You survey the entire range of what is on offer, whatever it might be, horses, properties, potatoes, cars and you don't dive in and chase the market if there are alternatives later in the day that are as good but cheaper. The richest men at the car auctions are those who buy in the last hour of a sale, leave their purchases overnight and put them in the first hour of the following day's sale. It is not failing to prepare it is using your money to best advantage. In horse dealing the practice has the great name of "pinhooking".
I don't think your analogy quite fits Brian. If you're still hanging around at the car or horse auction when the race has already started, you might get a good deal, but you aint going to win the race.
The analogy is fine if you recognise that both horse racing and motor racing are also run over seasons.
If you're a jockey lacking a ride with the choice of jumping on the first nag that goes past just to make sure you're in the first race, you're doomed to fail in that race and all those that follow. Wait a bit longer and the owner of a half decent horse with a bit of potential walks past looking worried because he can't find a jockey, we'll happy days, everyones a winner.
Or you've just turned up in F1 and you need an engine supplier.
Take the overpriced package from Renault (shit for those that don't follow F1), knowing that you're going to be at the back of the field all season, or wait to tie up a deal with Mercedes (currently supplying engines to 4 of the top 6) after a couple of races knowing that you'll at worst be competitive in the middle the field for the rest of the season.
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... Our targets should have been identified weeks if not months ago. Why it's taking so long to sort is a very risky policy ...
I do think you're being slightly naive.
I do think TS and O'Reilly have got a plan, and they are playing it out. It may be 'squeaky botty' time - but I think we need to go with it for the next couple of weeks.
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Our current squad is bereft of quality and goals. It's all well and good sitting tight at an auction but we are not in a position to do this and we aren't at an auction.
Our targets should have been identified weeks if not months ago. Why it's taking so long to sort is a very risky policy .
Am I concerned ? Yes, I am.
You concerned. Do you have any other settings? We could sign Messi and you'd be shitting it he might trip on the way out to the pitch.
The last 4 years has been one concern ride. We should have a ride at Alton Towers called "Aston Villa", a montage of close up facial pics adorning the carriages - DOL, GED, ECK, MON, GMAC, Kiraly, Agathe, Berger, Bakke, Pires, Holt, Cole, Jenas, Senderos .
People get off the ride looking pale, shaken and confused with a sense of no direction.
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Watching the game today I left with the conclusion that we see desperate for at least 3 new quality signings,striker ,attacking mid and a right back.Amavi and Geye looked good and they and Richards were the only Sherwood signings,but se looks absolutely toothless up front.
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I am sure Sherwood would have identified players he wanted months ago. Whether they become available or whether they want to move is a different story. I am sure we have probably enquired about a number of players but for one reason or another we realise that there is no point in pursuing them at this moment in time.
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Watching the game today I left with the conclusion that we see desperate for at least 3 new quality signings,striker ,attacking mid and a right back.Amavi and Geye looked good and they and Richards were the only Sherwood signings,but se looks absolutely toothless up front.
I'd agree with that, but we do have Grealish and Gil to do the creative midfielding.
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Watching the game today I left with the conclusion that we see desperate for at least 3 new quality signings,striker ,attacking mid and a right back.Amavi and Geye looked good and they and Richards were the only Sherwood signings,but se looks absolutely toothless up front.
I'd also agree with that. I think another box to box midfielder to replace Delph too.
I'd agree with that, but we do have Grealish and Gil to do the creative midfielding.
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Watching the game today I left with the conclusion that we see desperate for at least 3 new quality signings,striker ,attacking mid and a right back.Amavi and Geye looked good and they and Richards were the only Sherwood signings,but se looks absolutely toothless up front.
I'd agree with that, but we do have Grealish and Gil to do the creative midfielding.
I'm a big fan of them both. But they've no premier league goals and two assists between them. Plus they're both injured at the moment which doesn't help.
Bacuna would be far down my list of options for one of those attacking roles
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Delph wasn't really a box to box midfielder. He started deep and supported the attack but he never took enough shots to be a real factor at the other end of the pitch. If anything Gueye looks that player and we need a deeper player that did what Delph did so well. Sanchez might be able to do that or Westwood but I think we need another Gueye level signing for that role in my opinion.
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Put it this way. If we play 433, you've got Westwood or Sanchez holding. Gueye plays one side. Who plays the other? Gardner or bacuna? That's a big step backwards from last season unless Gardner really does come storming through
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Put it this way. If we play 433, you've got Westwood or Sanchez holding. Gueye plays one side. Who plays the other? Gardner or bacuna? That's a big step backwards from last season unless Gardner really does come storming through
My thoughts exactly.
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Put it this way. If we play 433, you've got Westwood or Sanchez holding. Gueye plays one side. Who plays the other? Gardner or bacuna? That's a big step backwards from last season unless Gardner really does come storming through
The latest injury for Gardner is going to hold him back from doing so, again.
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I note the match between Caen and Lorient this evening has finished 0 - 0.
I wonder if Ayew made it back or if he's still in Birmingham?
He seems pretty determined to join the Villa.
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For me Gueye is the Cleverley replacement and I'm expecting a Delph replacement before the window closes.
There has been talk about Cambiasso but I see him as an alternative to Sanchez or Westwood. However, we could play with 2 defensive midfielders and then 4 attacking players ahead of them in a 4231 formation.
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Ayew seems determined to come to Villa, hopefully that will improve things. We still need a few players though and the manager will know that. Hopefully Gil is not too badly injured and will be fit for next week to enhance his claims. As for Gardner, not seen the tackle but judging from his comments he was not a happy bunny. Not his fault if he is caught by a bad challenge
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I wonder if Tom Carroll may well be bought as the other side of the midfield 3. Cheap, young and Sherwood knows him well, and could well be a gamble that if his promise is reached worth taking on. The other option of course is that say we sign Ayew and Gestede up front as a pairing and Cambiasso in midfield this week, we could well then take the first 2-3 games to assess before going back into the market, with our 2 premier league loans still up our sleeves. Players on the periphery of their squads will get itchy feet come September with the euros next summer.
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For me Gueye is the Cleverley replacement and I'm expecting a Delph replacement before the window closes.
There has been talk about Cambiasso but I see him as an alternative to Sanchez or Westwood. However, we could play with 2 defensive midfielders and then 4 attacking players ahead of them in a 4231 formation.
That's what I think will happen. Cambiasso has enough experience and quality to really help the squad (and hopefully the legs). Gueye will be in the middle with Grealish/Gil and Ayew either side of... my guess Adebeyor.
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It seems that he wants the choice of a couple of traditional #10's to play off a forward in the 4231 formation or a couple of pacy players that can dribble and offer a goal threat in a 433 formation. That could work well, interchange when needed i.e. pacy players in away games and clever players who can find gaps when teams come to us and park the bus.
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Ozzjim, you may be right re Carroll. Have to say on the few occasions I have seen him not been massively impressed, but apparently Tim rates him, will accept that even though I know more :-) . Not seen this Blackburn striker at all, another French bloke isn't he?
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Seems they have agreed a fee re Ayew
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They'll be selling claret and blue beret's at the club shop soon. Zut Alore
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They'll be selling claret and blue beret's at the club shop soon. Zut Alore
Rather that than the white handkerchiefs :)
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Our current squad is bereft of quality and goals. It's all well and good sitting tight at an auction but we are not in a position to do this and we aren't at an auction.
Our targets should have been identified weeks if not months ago. Why it's taking so long to sort is a very risky policy .
Am I concerned ? Yes, I am.
You concerned. Do you have any other settings? We could sign Messi and you'd be shitting it he might trip on the way out to the pitch.
The last 4 years has been one concern ride. We should have a ride at Alton Towers called "Aston Villa", a montage of close up facial pics adorning the carriages - DOL, GED, ECK, MON, GMAC, Kiraly, Agathe, Berger, Bakke, Pires, Holt, Cole, Jenas, Senderos .
People get off the ride looking pale, shaken and confused with a sense of no direction.
Do you not see though that in part that's down to everything being a bit of a panic rather than us following a thought-out measured plan? Your personal brand of arm-waving panicked posting generally calls for us to just do whatever deals we can to make the squad as strong as possible for the first match rather than doing what right for the club for the season, or even the next 2-3 seasons. Just because Benteke left a few days ago and we haven't replaced him yet it doesn't mean that we're not going to or that we hadn't already done a lot of work identifying options to replace him.
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Our current squad is bereft of quality and goals. It's all well and good sitting tight at an auction but we are not in a position to do this and we aren't at an auction.
Our targets should have been identified weeks if not months ago. Why it's taking so long to sort is a very risky policy .
Am I concerned ? Yes, I am.
You concerned. Do you have any other settings? We could sign Messi and you'd be shitting it he might trip on the way out to the pitch.
The last 4 years has been one concern ride. We should have a ride at Alton Towers called "Aston Villa", a montage of close up facial pics adorning the carriages - DOL, GED, ECK, MON, GMAC, Kiraly, Agathe, Berger, Bakke, Pires, Holt, Cole, Jenas, Senderos .
People get off the ride looking pale, shaken and confused with a sense of no direction.
Do you not see though that in part that's down to everything being a bit of a panic rather than us following a thought-out measured plan? Your personal brand of arm-waving panicked posting generally calls for us to just do whatever deals we can to make the squad as strong as possible for the first match rather than doing what right for the club for the season, or even the next 2-3 seasons. Just because Benteke left a few days ago and we haven't replaced him yet it doesn't mean that we're not going to or that we hadn't already done a lot of work identifying options to replace him.
Paul, hate to break this to you but you've just completely wasted a few moments of your valuable life trying to explain that to him.
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Didn't Christian Benteke threaten to go on strike as Jordon Ayeye is reported to be considering?His club are trying to rip us off and Tom Fox has to stay firm .We have quite a few options so Ayeye is not the only target worth chasing. We need to get a move on with the new season looming.
Plenty of other fish in the footballing sea.
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deal done according to French media. £8.5 million, five year contract.
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Claret and blue berets is actually a really good idea! Where's the General when you need him?
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For those on Twitter Sam Tighe has posted three pretty sexy Ayew goals, about 1 day ago. None on that YouTube reel for whatever reason
Consensus seems to be that he's best playing with a bigger striker, and presumably that would be double true in the more physical English league. Not sure what that means formation wise. Possibly right of a three?
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Him Gestede and Ntep up front would be pretty tasty
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I think he'd work well with Adebayor. Tim should be able to get Adebayor firing again - he's a real handful and a proven PL goalscorer.
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Our current squad is bereft of quality and goals. It's all well and good sitting tight at an auction but we are not in a position to do this and we aren't at an auction.
Our targets should have been identified weeks if not months ago. Why it's taking so long to sort is a very risky policy .
Am I concerned ? Yes, I am.
You concerned. Do you have any other settings? We could sign Messi and you'd be shitting it he might trip on the way out to the pitch.
The last 4 years has been one concern ride. We should have a ride at Alton Towers called "Aston Villa", a montage of close up facial pics adorning the carriages - DOL, GED, ECK, MON, GMAC, Kiraly, Agathe, Berger, Bakke, Pires, Holt, Cole, Jenas, Senderos .
People get off the ride looking pale, shaken and confused with a sense of no direction.
Do you not see though that in part that's down to everything being a bit of a panic rather than us following a thought-out measured plan? Your personal brand of arm-waving panicked posting generally calls for us to just do whatever deals we can to make the squad as strong as possible for the first match rather than doing what right for the club for the season, or even the next 2-3 seasons. Just because Benteke left a few days ago and we haven't replaced him yet it doesn't mean that we're not going to or that we hadn't already done a lot of work identifying options to replace him.
Paul, hate to break this to you but you've just completely wasted a few moments of your valuable life trying to explain that to him.
It was worth it for the very slight chance he may read it
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I was discussing some of these players with colleagues in France this week. Ayew is now well rated after being a prominent scorer last season for Lorient. The general feeling was that we are paying too much if anything above 8 million euros! However these are French Lige rates PL brings in it's own inflation factor. Based on that 8M pounds would be more than enough so I hope we will/have not paid more than that.
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Lorient: J. Ayew vers Aston Villa (http://www.beinsports.fr/football/title/lorient-j-ayew-vers-aston-villa/article/zbg88s31ito21oso34wib3xoh)
Which basically means :
J. Ayew to Aston Villa
Jordan Ayew's sulking tactics have paid off. French sports daily L'équipe say the player will be transferred this Sunday, after agreement reached between clubs.
After refusing to train in order to force his club to consent to the move, the Ghana international will be leaving Brittany for a fee which the French paper estimates to be €12M (plus bonuses).
He came to Lorient from Marseilles in summer 2014 for €5M. The younger of the Ayew brothers scored 16 goals last season, and the goals he scored against the club that brought him through and PSG brought him to the attention of foreign scouts.
If the transfer goes through, the Birmingham club, 17th in the PL last season, will have three recruits from the French League (Ayew, Amavi, Gueye).
So, first l'équipe says it's a deal, then at 8am BeinSports read l'équipe and say it's a deal and SkySports read them too and at 9am they say that "Sky Sources" say it's a deal. So it's a deal, yes?
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Interesting if this goes through all 3 (Ayew, Amavi, Gueye) are with the same agent . Trying to establish if N'Tep is too
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And Villa's French Revolution continues...
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Three French players isn't much of a revolution. In 1984 we had Six.
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Three French players isn't much of a revolution. In 1984 we had Six.
Very good
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Mat Kendrick reporting that the fee has been agreed. Although he quotes the French Press....
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On this matter of when to buy, the transfer window is in effect an auction. In my own line of business I attend anything between two and eight auctions a week across East Anglia. Like all sales, the seller wants to get the most money he can, the buyer wants to pay the least. From a lifetime of experience you learn that the dynamic of a sale is a price peak between a third and a half way through a sale, but then as buyers spend their money the prices begin to fall and are at their lowest just before the end of a sale but the last few transactions the prices rise very sharply as panic buys kick in. It's not rocket science. You survey the entire range of what is on offer, whatever it might be, horses, properties, potatoes, cars and you don't dive in and chase the market if there are alternatives later in the day that are as good but cheaper. The richest men at the car auctions are those who buy in the last hour of a sale, leave their purchases overnight and put them in the first hour of the following day's sale. It is not failing to prepare it is using your money to best advantage. In horse dealing the practice has the great name of "pinhooking".
I don't think your analogy quite fits Brian. If you're still hanging around at the car or horse auction when the race has already started, you might get a good deal, but you aint going to win the race.
The analogy is fine if you recognise that both horse racing and motor racing are also run over seasons.
If you're a jockey lacking a ride with the choice of jumping on the first nag that goes past just to make sure you're in the first race, you're doomed to fail in that race and all those that follow. Wait a bit longer and the owner of a half decent horse with a bit of potential walks past looking worried because he can't find a jockey, we'll happy days, everyones a winner.
Or you've just turned up in F1 and you need an engine supplier.
Take the overpriced package from Renault (shit for those that don't follow F1), knowing that you're going to be at the back of the field all season, or wait to tie up a deal with Mercedes (currently supplying engines to 4 of the top 6) after a couple of races knowing that you'll at worst be competitive in the middle the field for the rest of the season.
Except you, and others, are missing a rather important point that in football, if you fail to compete in the current race, you may not even be "at the races" the following season. Or at least not at the same level. And as a result you may not be bidding at the same auctions for quite a while.
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Interesting.
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On this matter of when to buy, the transfer window is in effect an auction. In my own line of business I attend anything between two and eight auctions a week across East Anglia. Like all sales, the seller wants to get the most money he can, the buyer wants to pay the least. From a lifetime of experience you learn that the dynamic of a sale is a price peak between a third and a half way through a sale, but then as buyers spend their money the prices begin to fall and are at their lowest just before the end of a sale but the last few transactions the prices rise very sharply as panic buys kick in. It's not rocket science. You survey the entire range of what is on offer, whatever it might be, horses, properties, potatoes, cars and you don't dive in and chase the market if there are alternatives later in the day that are as good but cheaper. The richest men at the car auctions are those who buy in the last hour of a sale, leave their purchases overnight and put them in the first hour of the following day's sale. It is not failing to prepare it is using your money to best advantage. In horse dealing the practice has the great name of "pinhooking".
I don't think your analogy quite fits Brian. If you're still hanging around at the car or horse auction when the race has already started, you might get a good deal, but you aint going to win the race.
The analogy is fine if you recognise that both horse racing and motor racing are also run over seasons.
If you're a jockey lacking a ride with the choice of jumping on the first nag that goes past just to make sure you're in the first race, you're doomed to fail in that race and all those that follow. Wait a bit longer and the owner of a half decent horse with a bit of potential walks past looking worried because he can't find a jockey, we'll happy days, everyones a winner.
Or you've just turned up in F1 and you need an engine supplier.
Take the overpriced package from Renault (shit for those that don't follow F1), knowing that you're going to be at the back of the field all season, or wait to tie up a deal with Mercedes (currently supplying engines to 4 of the top 6) after a couple of races knowing that you'll at worst be competitive in the middle the field for the rest of the season.
Except you, and others, are missing a rather important point that in football, if you fail to compete in the current race, you may not even be "at the races" the following season. Or at least not at the same level. And as a result you may not be bidding at the same auctions for quite a while.
Stop confusing race with season. If you miss the start of a race you're out of it and can't enter, if you miss the first race of a 38 race season you're just reducing your potential winnings a little.
Put it this way would you rather spend £10m on a striker today who gets 10-12 in 38 or wait a few weeks and get one who scores 15-18 in 35 (like Benteke did for us in his first season) and which of those scenarios will result in a higher league position?
It's a gamble either way but I don't want the manager to settle for what he can get rather than wait for what he wants, settling for lesser quality isn't an option this year, quality is much more important than numbers for us, we have abig squad, it's just not got the proven top half quality we want in it.
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Interesting if this goes through all 3 (Ayew, Amavi, Gueye) are with the same agent . Trying to establish if N'Tep is too
Its not Eric Hall I hope!
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it's actually the two RAF geezers from 'Allo, 'Allo.
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Don't suppose we still have any contact with Houlier with all these French based players, but someone's got some knowledge of football over there, of course it's probably the scouting team,
But we do seem to be fishing a lot in France
Which I have no problem with as I haven't generally heard of most of the players we are linked with no matter where in the world they are
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Interesting if this goes through all 3 (Ayew, Amavi, Gueye) are with the same agent . Trying to establish if N'Tep is too
Its not Eric Hall I hope!
Mark McKay of excelfoot , trying to find out if he manages N'Tep, I don't think he does though.
Euro rate is helping aswell with these deals .
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Don't suppose we still have any contact with Houlier with all these French based players, but someone's got some knowledge of football over there, of course it's probably the scouting team,
But we do seem to be fishing a lot in France
Which I have no problem with as I haven't generally heard of most of the players we are linked with no matter where in the world they are
I wonder if it is a former Arsenal link/connection through Fox?
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Interesting if this goes through all 3 (Ayew, Amavi, Gueye) are with the same agent . Trying to establish if N'Tep is too
Its not Eric Hall I hope!
Mark McKay of excelfoot , trying to find out if he manages N'Tep, I don't think he does though.
Euro rate is helping aswell with these deals .
But are you working tirelessly for us?
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This coming season we will be known as .........L`aston Villair
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This coming season we will be known as .........L`aston Villair
As long as it leads to Villa being on the French Riviera by the start of April.
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The reason we're signing all of these French players could be down to them mistakenly thinking they're going to join this well known French rock band.
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Stop confusing race with season. If you miss the start of a race you're out of it and can't enter, if you miss the first race of a 38 race season you're just reducing your potential winnings a little.
Put it this way would you rather spend £10m on a striker today who gets 10-12 in 38 or wait a few weeks and get one who scores 15-18 in 35 (like Benteke did for us in his first season) and which of those scenarios will result in a higher league position?
It's a gamble either way but I don't want the manager to settle for what he can get rather than wait for what he wants, settling for lesser quality isn't an option this year, quality is much more important than numbers for us, we have abig squad, it's just not got the proven top half quality we want in it.
Race or season, if you get left in the blocks it's a harder job to catch up. You're not just risking reducing your winnings, you're risking relegation, and losing a huge amount. Getting your business done early does not necessarily entail buying an inferior product, and doing it later doesn't mean you'll get a superior product. It might work that way, conversely it might be that the longer it goes on the more a selling club can hold you ransom knowing how desperate you are for a new player. There is a time constraint that does not apply to most buyers at auctions, and in any case I don't think the transfer window is really like an auction. A lot of transfers do not involve bidding wars, simply negotiations in the background that might break down, drag on or get concluded. For example I didn't notice many rival bidders for Benteke, Delph, Milner, Clyne and a few others that have moved. If you do your preparation and spadework early, I don't see why you can't sign the bulk of the quality you want and need early in the window. I would have thought that when you have just finished 17th and then lost your best 2 players, hanging about to potentially save a few bob whilst putting the massive TV income at greater risk makes little sense. We still have time before the season starts, so no major panic, but I'd rather new signings were able to do a full pre-season with us.
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Not to save a few bob, to get the right player.
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might be off again, apparently due to us baulking at huge agent/signing on fees
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he'll sign.
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might be off again, apparently due to us baulking at huge agent/signing on fees
Odd as we've already got 2 deals over the line with this agent .
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Stop confusing race with season. If you miss the start of a race you're out of it and can't enter, if you miss the first race of a 38 race season you're just reducing your potential winnings a little.
Put it this way would you rather spend £10m on a striker today who gets 10-12 in 38 or wait a few weeks and get one who scores 15-18 in 35 (like Benteke did for us in his first season) and which of those scenarios will result in a higher league position?
It's a gamble either way but I don't want the manager to settle for what he can get rather than wait for what he wants, settling for lesser quality isn't an option this year, quality is much more important than numbers for us, we have abig squad, it's just not got the proven top half quality we want in it.
Race or season, if you get left in the blocks it's a harder job to catch up. You're not just risking reducing your winnings, you're risking relegation, and losing a huge amount. Getting your business done early does not necessarily entail buying an inferior product, and doing it later doesn't mean you'll get a superior product. It might work that way, conversely it might be that the longer it goes on the more a selling club can hold you ransom knowing how desperate you are for a new player. There is a time constraint that does not apply to most buyers at auctions, and in any case I don't think the transfer window is really like an auction. A lot of transfers do not involve bidding wars, simply negotiations in the background that might break down, drag on or get concluded. For example I didn't notice many rival bidders for Benteke, Delph, Milner, Clyne and a few others that have moved. If you do your preparation and spadework early, I don't see why you can't sign the bulk of the quality you want and need early in the window. I would have thought that when you have just finished 17th and then lost your best 2 players, hanging about to potentially save a few bob whilst putting the massive TV income at greater risk makes little sense. We still have time before the season starts, so no major panic, but I'd rather new signings were able to do a full pre-season with us.
And how many times does it happen that a club has got all their signings In for the start of a season, let alone pre-season?
Everything that is happening suggests that Sherwood has a plan and is working to get the players he wants in.
And it's not about saving a few bob, it's about not overpaying for tat, if you think you can pick up someone better, within your budget, a bit further down the line.
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might be off again, apparently due to us baulking at huge agent/signing on fees
Where has this information come from?
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might be off again, apparently due to us baulking at huge agent/signing on fees
Where has this information come from?
My money's on Silhilvilla.
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Fee is now agreed apparently - can't believe Ayew will allow his Agent's greed to now scupper the deal?
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It'll go through now I'm certain
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the 'story' was run by Quest France. TBH there's so much bullshit surrounding this one I'm taking everything with a pinch of salt. Most of these people don't know their onions from their shallots.
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the 'story' was run by Quest France. TBH there's so much bullshit surrounding this one I'm taking everything with a pinch of salt. Most of these people don't know their onions from their shallots.
Perhaps it was a leek :)
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It's happening. Deal agreed.
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According to VT's oracle "Nixon" deal is done!!
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Stop confusing race with season. If you miss the start of a race you're out of it and can't enter, if you miss the first race of a 38 race season you're just reducing your potential winnings a little.
Put it this way would you rather spend £10m on a striker today who gets 10-12 in 38 or wait a few weeks and get one who scores 15-18 in 35 (like Benteke did for us in his first season) and which of those scenarios will result in a higher league position?
It's a gamble either way but I don't want the manager to settle for what he can get rather than wait for what he wants, settling for lesser quality isn't an option this year, quality is much more important than numbers for us, we have abig squad, it's just not got the proven top half quality we want in it.
Race or season, if you get left in the blocks it's a harder job to catch up. You're not just risking reducing your winnings, you're risking relegation, and losing a huge amount. Getting your business done early does not necessarily entail buying an inferior product, and doing it later doesn't mean you'll get a superior product. It might work that way, conversely it might be that the longer it goes on the more a selling club can hold you ransom knowing how desperate you are for a new player. There is a time constraint that does not apply to most buyers at auctions, and in any case I don't think the transfer window is really like an auction. A lot of transfers do not involve bidding wars, simply negotiations in the background that might break down, drag on or get concluded. For example I didn't notice many rival bidders for Benteke, Delph, Milner, Clyne and a few others that have moved. If you do your preparation and spadework early, I don't see why you can't sign the bulk of the quality you want and need early in the window. I would have thought that when you have just finished 17th and then lost your best 2 players, hanging about to potentially save a few bob whilst putting the massive TV income at greater risk makes little sense. We still have time before the season starts, so no major panic, but I'd rather new signings were able to do a full pre-season with us.
And how many times does it happen that a club has got all their signings In for the start of a season, let alone pre-season?
Everything that is happening suggests that Sherwood has a plan and is working to get the players he wants in.
And it's not about saving a few bob, it's about not overpaying for tat, if you think you can pick up someone better, within your budget, a bit further down the line.
The last time we got our business tied up quite early on was when we bought the likes of Luna, Tonev and Helenius.
Would you rather have quality players signed up late in the window or dross signed up before pre-season starts? If you want both, remember where we finished last season - we won't always be the first choice of our preferred targets.
I suppose next people will be moaning about the lack of Premier League experience or not getting the best value for our money despite not having the club's management accounts to hand.
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From Sky
17:55
VILLA'S AYEW OFFER ACCEPTED
Lorient have accepted a bid of €14m from Aston Villa for striker Jordan Ayew, claim RMC.
And the French radio station also say that the Ghana international will undergo a medical with the west Midlands club on Sunday.
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From Sky
17:55
VILLA'S AYEW OFFER ACCEPTED
Lorient have accepted a bid of €14m from Aston Villa for striker Jordan Ayew, claim RMC.
And the French radio station also say that the Ghana international will undergo a medical with the west Midlands club on Sunday.
If that price is true he's a smidge under £10 million
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So was Juampi...mind you that was fourteen(!) years ago.
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Jesus if it's £10m that's a big fee for this player who just 12 months ago cost them circa £2.8m . That's a ROI on a par we got for Benteke .
Then again from what I understand is if we get him mentally in the right place he is going to be some asset
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so one of Gestede, Oulare or Adebayor next?
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I would imagine it would be Adebayor.
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Stop confusing race with season. If you miss the start of a race you're out of it and can't enter, if you miss the first race of a 38 race season you're just reducing your potential winnings a little.
Put it this way would you rather spend £10m on a striker today who gets 10-12 in 38 or wait a few weeks and get one who scores 15-18 in 35 (like Benteke did for us in his first season) and which of those scenarios will result in a higher league position?
It's a gamble either way but I don't want the manager to settle for what he can get rather than wait for what he wants, settling for lesser quality isn't an option this year, quality is much more important than numbers for us, we have abig squad, it's just not got the proven top half quality we want in it.
Race or season, if you get left in the blocks it's a harder job to catch up. You're not just risking reducing your winnings, you're risking relegation, and losing a huge amount. Getting your business done early does not necessarily entail buying an inferior product, and doing it later doesn't mean you'll get a superior product. It might work that way, conversely it might be that the longer it goes on the more a selling club can hold you ransom knowing how desperate you are for a new player. There is a time constraint that does not apply to most buyers at auctions, and in any case I don't think the transfer window is really like an auction. A lot of transfers do not involve bidding wars, simply negotiations in the background that might break down, drag on or get concluded. For example I didn't notice many rival bidders for Benteke, Delph, Milner, Clyne and a few others that have moved. If you do your preparation and spadework early, I don't see why you can't sign the bulk of the quality you want and need early in the window. I would have thought that when you have just finished 17th and then lost your best 2 players, hanging about to potentially save a few bob whilst putting the massive TV income at greater risk makes little sense. We still have time before the season starts, so no major panic, but I'd rather new signings were able to do a full pre-season with us.
And how many times does it happen that a club has got all their signings In for the start of a season, let alone pre-season?
Everything that is happening suggests that Sherwood has a plan and is working to get the players he wants in.
And it's not about saving a few bob, it's about not overpaying for tat, if you think you can pick up someone better, within your budget, a bit further down the line.
The last time we got our business tied up quite early on was when we bought the likes of Luna, Tonev and Helenius.
Would you rather have quality players signed up late in the window or dross signed up before pre-season starts? If you want both, remember where we finished last season - we won't always be the first choice of our preferred targets.
I suppose next people will be moaning about the lack of Premier League experience or not getting the best value for our money despite not having the club's management accounts to hand.
Such strange logic that buying early must equate to buying overpriced tat and bringing in any old player just for the sake of it. I'd say that's little to do with timing and more to do with the manager's judgement, or lack of it, and if that is off the mark he's just as likely to buy crap at any given time. In fact I'd guess that waste of money signings are just as likely, if not more so, to be made on or near deadline day as managers panic that they don't have enough numbers or enough time left to get the deals they really want. I seem to recall Simon Dawkins and Grant Holt joining us quite late in windows. They may have been cheap but they were hardly the kind of quality we needed.
As for not being the first choice of our preferred targets, are we likely to be more or less attractive if we are sitting 19th or 20th after 4 or 5 games? Are clubs likely to be more or less willing to sell when there is little time for them to reinvest the money received? There are lots of variables to consider in the transfer windows.
I'm not saying all business should be done before pre-season - that's a tall order. Nor am I having a dig at Sherwood, because he has done some early business and it looks as if he at least intends to do a fair bit more before the season starts. I just think as a general principle that it makes sense to aim to have a pretty full, strong and bedded in squad to choose from when the season starts, not a tenth of the way through it, when vital points may have already gone down the pan.
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I think one of the problems is that we would probably not be first choice for the players that we have been linked with and bought. We may have had to bide our time until nobody else bid for them at the start of the window. With the way clear, we have then been able to offer what we think is the right price.
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Spurs bought various players before selling bale. They still paid £28m for soldado and £17m for Paulinho.
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Spurs bought various players before selling bale. They still paid £28m for soldado and £17m for Paulinho.
£28m for soldado... hahahahahaha
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We should loan Soldado. He'd be better than Adebayor ;)
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Spurs bought various players before selling bale. They still paid £28m for soldado and £17m for Paulinho.
£28m for soldado... hahahahahaha
He was scoring a goal every 2 games for 5 years in Spain. Seemed to recall Spurs fans were pleased when they got him. It just shows how hard it is to predict the outcome when buying players in from other leagues.
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Sol dado reminds me of Angel, just not happening for him but a but of luck and he could start scoring. I would have him over Adebayor.
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Why? Adebayor has a 1 in 2 record in England, while Soldado is shite.
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1 in 3. Soldado career is higher. I wouldn't have either of them but just out the 2...
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http://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre/
22:05
AYEW UNDERGOES VILLA MEDICAL
More now on Jordan Ayew's expected move from Lorient to Aston Villa, with RMC claiming the Ghana international undertook part of his medical with the west Midlands club on Saturday.
And the French radio station are also reporting that the forward has agreed a provisional five-year contract at Villa Park.
17:55
VILLA'S AYEW OFFER ACCEPTED
Lorient have accepted a bid of €14m from Aston Villa for striker Jordan Ayew, claim RMC.
And the French radio station also say that the Ghana international will undergo a medical with the west Midlands club on Sunday.
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Spurs bought various players before selling bale. They still paid £28m for soldado and £17m for Paulinho.
£28m for soldado... hahahahahaha
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Spurs bought various players before selling bale. They still paid £28m for soldado and £17m for Paulinho.
£28m for soldado... hahahahahaha
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
It is incredible. When you think about some of the fees paid for players that have done very little or lost value. I mean, Di Maria is about to leave United for 46m, 13.7m loss in 12 months. If we wrote off Amavi on a free next summer for example, that would still be less of a loss that Di Maria has been at United, yet no one will bat much of an eyelid. That is the difference between our buys having to be right, and sides like United being able to swallow it. Spurs clearly can't because they have not bought a replacement, just struck gold with Kane.
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I did a lot of reading on all available sources on Ayew, as I had expected to be watching The Bears at Lords. It would seem that he is a very talented chappy, but very temperamental with it, and prone to going missing when he gets the hump. If Timah is going to hook him up with E.A. as seems increasingly likely, then we are going to very dependent on his motivational, therapeutic and possibly psychoanalytic skills.
In one sense, it has been the case for a log time that we are only able to sign players with significant flaws, but the loss of your 2 best players fairly late in the transfer window only exacerbates the problem.
At least it will not be boring.
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I do think Wilkins will help deal with the personalities of them though. The players at Chelsea all seemed to love working with him, and I would imagine he would have a pretty decent way of working with the egos that Ayew and Adebayor clearly have. The fun will be if the 2 of them click for an afternoon there will be fireworks, whoever we are playing.
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It is incredible. When you think about some of the fees paid for players that have done very little or lost value. I mean, Di Maria is about to leave United for 46m, 13.7m loss in 12 months. If we wrote off Amavi on a free next summer for example, that would still be less of a loss that Di Maria has been at United, yet no one will bat much of an eyelid. That is the difference between our buys having to be right, and sides like United being able to swallow it. Spurs clearly can't because they have not bought a replacement, just struck gold with Kane.
Hope Kane suffers 2nd season syndrome or an one season wonder. Bloody hate Spurs.
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I don't think there's a team as reliant on one player as they are on him. If he does really well, they could finish top four. If he fails, they could finish mid-table.
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so getting back to Ayew, when's he signing?
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http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/27/report-aston-villa-target-paul-georges-ntep-not-interested-in-po/?
Ntep apparently not interested in signing for a non champs leage team.
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http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/27/report-aston-villa-target-paul-georges-ntep-not-interested-in-po/?
Ntep apparently not interested in signing for a non champs leage team.
Send Tim to go and give him the "look into my eyes" treatment.
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Do you reckon that is Tim's secret player getting tactic? Serenading them with Brian Adams songs?
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Designer stubble, leather trousers and acoustic guitar. Who could deny it?
They probably offer him a gobble by the end of it.
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1 in 3. Soldado career is higher. I wouldn't have either of them but just out the 2...
You'd have the one that looks utter garbage in the Premier League?
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Designer stubble, leather trousers and acoustic guitar. Who could deny it?
They probably offer him a gobble by the end of it.
There's no love, like Sherwood's love!
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Designer stubble, leather trousers and acoustic guitar. Who could deny it?
They probably offer him a gobble by the end of it.
Mutually, to the "Summer of 69" ?
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Has he signed yet? Dragging on a bit now...
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Designer stubble, leather trousers and acoustic guitar. Who could deny it?
They probably offer him a gobble by the end of it.
Mutually, to the "Summer of 69" ?
An enduring image.
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due to be announced today apparently
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Good, but we still need at least another striker.
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I did a lot of reading on all available sources on Ayew, as I had expected to be watching The Bears at Lords. It would seem that he is a very talented chappy, but very temperamental with it, and prone to going missing when he gets the hump. If Timah is going to hook him up with E.A. as seems increasingly likely, then we are going to very dependent on his motivational, therapeutic and possibly psychoanalytic skills.
In one sense, it has been the case for a log time that we are only able to sign players with significant flaws, but the loss of your 2 best players fairly late in the transfer window only exacerbates the problem.
At least it will not be boring.
Were he and his brother involved in that world cup hoo-haa Ghana had over unpaid bonuses?
Seem to remember the Ghanain FA had to charter a plane to carry $3m over for them, or similar.
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Has he signed yet? Dragging on a bit now...
This isn't Football Manager. He only arrived in the country the back end of last week. How fast were you expecting this to come together? The whole dragging on will be less than a week.
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Has he signed yet? Dragging on a bit now...
This isn't Football Manager. He only arrived in the country the back end of last week. How fast were you expecting this to come together? The whole dragging on will be less than a week.
We are the kings of the long transfers though
Or maybe it just seems that way at times
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He's In. Done. NEXT!!
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it's official....
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4891745,00.html
UTV
The Doc
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Has he signed yet? Dragging on a bit now...
This isn't Football Manager. He only arrived in the country the back end of last week. How fast were you expecting this to come together? The whole dragging on will be less than a week.
We are the kings of the long transfers though
Or maybe it just seems that way at times
When in reality we do them quicker than most clubs.
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Has he signed yet? Dragging on a bit now...
This isn't Football Manager. He only arrived in the country the back end of last week. How fast were you expecting this to come together? The whole dragging on will be less than a week.
We are the kings of the long transfers though
Or maybe it just seems that way at times
I don't think that any of us are really paying as much attention to transfer that other teams are making are we?
So for all we know if could have taken let's say, Newcastle signing Mitrovic or Watford signing Capoue just as long but there's no reason we would bother knowing about it until it's announced as completed.
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Signed
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Here's hoping that ManU/Man City/Chelsea/Arsenal/Mardid/Barcelona all are in a bidding war for him three years from now.
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At last ;D
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Here's hoping that ManU/Man City/Chelsea/Arsenal/Mardid/Barcelona all are in a bidding war for him three years from now.
Does he have a release clause...
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now for Oulare!
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Welcome Jordan. Work hard, wear the shirt with pride and we will love you forever. You will never play for a better club.
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So another nail in the ' sherwood only signs British based players' coffin
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Welcome aboard Jordan. Hopefully he'll bang in plenty goals.
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Here's hoping that ManU/Man City/Chelsea/Arsenal/Mardid/Barcelona all are in a bidding war for him three years from now.
Does he have a release clause...
Buyout clause surely?
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Here's hoping that ManU/Man City/Chelsea/Arsenal/Mardid/Barcelona all are in a bidding war for him three years from now.
Does he have a release clause...
Yes, it comes into force 3 years from now and only allows CL teams to bid in excess of the GDP of a nominated African country.
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Good stuff. Anyone else getting a Summer of '95 vibe about our transfers this year? Maybe we'll even get in a balding midfielder from Leicester as well.
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Good stuff. Anyone else getting a Summer of '95 vibe about our transfers this year? Maybe we'll even get in a balding midfielder from Leicester as well.
Was thinking that yesterday funnily enough.
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Still don't like the shirt......... Sage4Ever
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Welcome Jordon . Start banging them goals in mate and the Holte End will love you. Good luck son.
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Momentum at last
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Good luck Jord.
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Ayew, Ayew, Ayew is on fire!!!
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So another nail in the ' sherwood only signs British based players' coffin
It wouldn't surprise me if we didn't sign a single Spurs/ex Spurs player. The rags just find the links too easy.
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It's more like the Big Ron shake up for me, that day at Sheff Wed away with all the new players and a cracking 3-2 win. Optimism hey, forgot what that feels like
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Ayew you realise you have signed for a great football club. Good luck.
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What sort of half arsed shirt stretching is that?!
Only joking, welcome Jordan!
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Welcome Jordan to the greatest football club wearing the greatest colours in the world. I wish you luck and, enjoy your time here.
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So another nail in the ' sherwood only signs British based players' coffin
Was thinking the same John. Surely he should just have been buying cast offs from relegated clubs and Spurs rejects?
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We can wheel out Big John Carew's old song now.
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Welcome Jordan, do well please.
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Ayew you're no John Carew, make a break make a move...
Fuck it, it's a shit song.
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One Jordan Ayew
There's only one Jordan Ayew
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This transfer window thus far has really nailed the Sherwood signing players he's worked with only myth.
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He's never going to score if we've turned the goals the wrong way round.
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He's never going to score if we've turned the goals the wrong way round.
So that's where we've been going wrong!
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Welcome, score a bucketload of goals for me will ya?
A lot of ~£10m signings.. weird :o
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Now get N'Tep
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That's 2 Jordan's (Ayew and Amavi) who else is there named Jordan to bring up the hat-trick? - Jordan Rhodes or Katie Jordan maybe ?
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Ayew, Ayew, Ayew is on fire!
In a good way.
Hopefully.
welcome Jordan!
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That's 2 Jordan's (Ayew and Amavi) who else is there named Jordan to bring up the hat-trick? - Jordan Rhodes or Katie Jordan maybe ?
Jordan Archer, the Millwall GK?
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Another coach - Joe Jordan
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Too many Jordans, I had to double take then because I thought there were 2 ayew threads
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Anyway, Welcome
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That's 2 Jordan's (Ayew and Amavi) who else is there named Jordan to bring up the hat-trick? - Jordan Rhodes or Katie Jordan maybe ?
We've already got the three - Jordan Lyden came on for us at Walsall the other day.
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To read his first interview and see the enthusiasm he has for coming is brilliant.
That should help endear him to the fans.
http://dlvr.it/BflXcs
Fair play to you Jordan, welcome and good luck.
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Could get Jordan Bowery back to replace Benteke...............
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Could get Jordan Bowery back to replace Benteke...............
Beat me to it....
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Apologies if this has been posted already, but I did not see it on the past few pages...
http://www.myjoyonline.com/sports/2015/July-24th/al-smith-what-aston-villa-get-from-12m-jordan-ayew.php
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Yippee Gueye, Yippee Ayew....... You know the rest.
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things aint to bad, were going for players and getting them.
Bournemouth is going to be a real welcome to English football, their fans are going to be so up for it, please Tim and Festa have our boys ready.
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Yippee Gueye, Yippee Ayew....... You know the rest.
I like it.
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Who the fuck is Jordan Ayew? I used to know players - I need to play Champ Manager for many hours.
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Yippee Gueye, Yippee Ayew....... You know the rest.
At last, a suggested chant that's got some promise!
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Ayew seems more of an upgrade on Gabby than Benteke, capable of playing across the front three is great and hopefully has the potential to improve further. His goal scoring stats to date would indicate that he isnt really an option down the middle but Benteke's stats werent hectic either before he came to us if I recall correctly.
Still need to replace Benteke though, Gabby and Kozak are backup players at best for the central striker role.
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See I don't think we need to replace Benteke. We just need to find new ways of scoring goals, which very much includes the midfield chipping with their fair share. We could do with another quality forward but that's not the same as replacing one player. We have potentially loads of creativity in the side. We need to set up to get the most out of those players.
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Ayew seems more of an upgrade on Gabby than Benteke, capable of playing across the front three is great and hopefully has the potential to improve further. His goal scoring stats to date would indicate that he isnt really an option down the middle but Benteke's stats werent hectic either before he came to us if I recall correctly.
Still need to replace Benteke though, Gabby and Kozak are backup players at best for the central striker role.
Upgrade on Benteke, Good luck with that
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Ayew is our mane
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Ayew there with the sad face come up to villa park and live it up
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It's more like the Big Ron shake up for me, that day at Sheff Wed away with all the new players and a cracking 3-2 win. Optimism hey, forgot what that feels like
This! What a great day that was too!
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See I don't think we need to replace Benteke. We just need to find new ways of scoring goals, which very much includes the midfield chipping with their fair share.
I said exactly the same thing to a mate who text me earlier saying we should be replacing Benteke with a £20m striker. I'm glad we're going down this route. We'll hopefully be a better team for it. Relying on one player is not the way to do it.
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Just had a gander at his obligetory youtube video and the one thing that stands out is that, like Benteke, he has that modern day technique of waiting for the keeper too move on penalties and then gently rolling it into the other corner, looks great when it works.
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It's more like the Big Ron shake up for me, that day at Sheff Wed away with all the new players and a cracking 3-2 win. Optimism hey, forgot what that feels like
This! What a great day that was too!
Wasn`t it just - at 2-0 down I tried to leave the ground but the police and stewards wouldnt let me out - Mrs VCTM said - "we can win this "
Yeh whatever !!! --
Humble pie is very tough to eat when served up by your missus :)
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We must play post Benteke football. We were a one man team and everybody had us worked out. Hit the opposition from every position. That must be our aim.
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I thought I'd catch the news about Ayew on BBC Midlands Today.....you know, a fairly big deal at £9-10M. And.....not a single mention; obviously this is positive news for the club. Are they a clone of Radio WM?
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I thought I'd catch the news about Ayew on BBC Midlands Today.....you know, a fairly big deal at £9-10M. And.....not a single mention; obviously this is positive news for the club. Are they a clone of Radio WM?
Yes, it's the BBC.
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Bit of an epic performance against Marseille last season. Worth a quick butchers
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2nv8h9
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It's more like the Big Ron shake up for me, that day at Sheff Wed away with all the new players and a cracking 3-2 win. Optimism hey, forgot what that feels like
This! What a great day that was too!
Was that just after Big Ron said he couldn't leave Sheff Wed as it was the best job in the world only to turn face and move to Villa anyway? Quoting his emotions had got the better of him, loved the club etc etc before saying he couldn't miss the opportunity to move? Wonder where we've heard that before?
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That was a great day, weren't we 2-0 down at half time?
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One thing I would say about Ayew is that he doesn't seem to lack confidence in the slightest. If he proves to have the ability to back it up he'll be a star.
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See I don't think we need to replace Benteke. We just need to find new ways of scoring goals, which very much includes the midfield chipping with their fair share. We could do with another quality forward but that's not the same as replacing one player. We have potentially loads of creativity in the side. We need to set up to get the most out of those players.
Couldn't agree more TV!
We need to be open to changing ways of playing to suit the players we've got, not for the ones who have been and gone.
I think TS pretty much suggested as much at the end of the season.
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I'm glad we've got him now welcome to Villa Park Jordan.
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Three things on that game:
1. What a talent David Hirst was
2. McGrath was playing right back. Very odd.
3. We must have had 5 debutants in the starting line up. Will we beat that v Bournemouth?
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I thought I'd catch the news about Ayew on BBC Midlands Today.....you know, a fairly big deal at £9-10M. And.....not a single mention; obviously this is positive news for the club. Are they a clone of Radio WM?
On the plus side, there was a feature on new Northern Soul club The Night Owl, filmed on Friday night. I arrived too fashionably late to be filmed, which is a relief as I would have Britain's Got Talent hounding me by now if they'd seen me dancing.
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I thought I'd catch the news about Ayew on BBC Midlands Today.....you know, a fairly big deal at £9-10M. And.....not a single mention; obviously this is positive news for the club. Are they a clone of Radio WM?
On the plus side, there was a feature on new Northern Soul club The Night Owl, filmed on Friday night. I arrived too fashionably late to be filmed, which is a relief as I would have Britain's Got Talent hounding me by now if they'd seen me dancing.
What's it like? Worth a visit?
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I thought I'd catch the news about Ayew on BBC Midlands Today.....you know, a fairly big deal at £9-10M. And.....not a single mention; obviously this is positive news for the club. Are they a clone of Radio WM?
On the plus side, there was a feature on new Northern Soul club The Night Owl, filmed on Friday night. I arrived too fashionably late to be filmed, which is a relief as I would have Britain's Got Talent hounding me by now if they'd seen me dancing.
What's it like? Worth a visit?
It's not up to much but at his age you don't expect Travolta.
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Didnt Ugo play right back in that game?
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Three things on that game:
1. What a talent David Hirst was
2. McGrath was playing right back. Very odd.
3. We must have had 5 debutants in the starting line up. Will we beat that v Bournemouth?
2) No, he was playing the right hand side of three centre-backs.
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Didnt Ugo play right back in that game?
No
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I thought I'd catch the news about Ayew on BBC Midlands Today.....you know, a fairly big deal at £9-10M. And.....not a single mention; obviously this is positive news for the club. Are they a clone of Radio WM?
On the plus side, there was a feature on new Northern Soul club The Night Owl, filmed on Friday night. I arrived too fashionably late to be filmed, which is a relief as I would have Britain's Got Talent hounding me by now if they'd seen me dancing.
What's it like? Worth a visit?
It's not up to much but at his age you don't expect Travolta.
His costume got him some attention, though.
(http://www.barchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/party.gif)
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I thought I'd catch the news about Ayew on BBC Midlands Today.....you know, a fairly big deal at £9-10M. And.....not a single mention; obviously this is positive news for the club. Are they a clone of Radio WM?
On the plus side, there was a feature on new Northern Soul club The Night Owl, filmed on Friday night. I arrived too fashionably late to be filmed, which is a relief as I would have Britain's Got Talent hounding me by now if they'd seen me dancing.
What's it like? Worth a visit?
It's not up to much but at his age you don't expect Travolta.
His costume got him some attention, though.
(http://www.barchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/party.gif)
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I take that there are two brothers Ayew that play fotball.
One is good and he has been signed by Swansea, the other is Jordan.
These are the rumours in Italy, but I have never seen him playing, so I am not in the position to have a solid opinion.
My strong impression, however, is that we ar going to commit the same mistake of Spurs when spent the money received for Bale for a bunch of crap, overpaid, players.
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Has someone hacked your account Archie? I've never known you to be so negative.
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You are right mate, I am sorry to say that I have never been so depressed.
In few months we have terminated the umptheeth disapointing League, lost the FA Cup final as an amateur side (against the same opponents Hull, last season looked brilliant and went to the extratime), lost our captain few days after he had declared that he would stay, lost our best player, the only of international level, and bought a bunch of unknown players with the only exception of Gueye'.
Meantime, I see that clubs much smaller than Villa, clubs like Soton or Swansea, build solid entertaining teams without necessarily spending a lot of money.
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Have Southampton been purchasing world renowned replacements when they loose their best players, which seems to happen on a regular basis. Give our manager and new signings a chance.
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It might turn out that way Archie, but he scored more, and made more goals and chances than his brother last season, and seems to have a much more polarising opinion, from the ability to be sublime to the ability to be completely useless. I think he will become a bit of a cult hero that plays in patches, but we will see. If he bangs in 15 goals next season then I don't much care what he gets up to as he will have been pretty successful.
Amavi and Gueye seem to be pretty decent buys. Sinclair was a snip for a squad player at the money, and Adebayor is probably Sherwood gambling on his job next season.
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I thought I'd catch the news about Ayew on BBC Midlands Today.....you know, a fairly big deal at £9-10M. And.....not a single mention; obviously this is positive news for the club. Are they a clone of Radio WM?
On the plus side, there was a feature on new Northern Soul club The Night Owl, filmed on Friday night. I arrived too fashionably late to be filmed, which is a relief as I would have Britain's Got Talent hounding me by now if they'd seen me dancing.
What's it like? Worth a visit?
It's not up to much but at his age you don't expect Travolta.
His costume got him some attention, though.
(http://www.barchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/party.gif)
More modern than that. I sort of merge Flashdance with MC Hammer shit:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=06GoD-_NOWY
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Someone compared our business earlier to Big Ron's dealing in 1991.
I'm sorry, I don't see that at all.
Despite struggling under Dr Jo the year before, we went out and bought Staunton, Richardson and Dalian who were all big name players at the time. Regis was an established top flight player and even Mad Les had just won the Cup Winners Cup with Yanited.
There were a few punts in there, with Ehiogu, Teale and Paul Mortimer, but there was obvious quality too.
Aside from Gueye and Amavi (and they'll be adapting to a new league and could take a while to settle) I am non plussed about most of our business so far this summer.
We signed eight players under DOL in during the 2005/06 summer window, nine under Paul Lambert (including two Acadamy youths from Soton) as recently as 2013. So it isn't always about the volume of new faces coming in.
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In fairness though, Ayew is a regular international with a side who I thought looked pretty decent at the world cup last year, Gueye is a well thought of Senegal international and Amavi is on the fringes of the national set up too. Bunn is a simple reserve keeper, Crespo if he signs is a reserve utility player, Richards is clearly a good player and will provide leadership too on the pitch which could be the making of him and Sinclair was 2.5m and always gets into goalscoring positions, with confidence could be a real snip. We still need a forward and a midfielder, but I think we are trying to rebuild a side that was dreadfully short on quality with a small budget in real terms still. I am quite excited by next season. I actually think the Wilkins appointment was pretty spot on too.
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The good news to me is yes we've lost Benteke but we have now signed four first team players before August 1st with Adebayor seemingly imminent.
When was the last transfer window we did that, certainly never under MON when we always started seasons undercooked in terms of first 11 and last two seasons when we signed rubbish from lower leagues and Polish league dosen't count as those are easy signings as no one else wants them.
Yes Benteke will be a massive figure to replace so we'll have to see how that pans out but having seen Gueye on Saturday I'm quietly confident our friend from the Man. City bench will be quickly forgotten.
We are starting at a very low base, 17th. Let's hope it dosen't get worse as we are done for but equally it dosen't take that much for us to improve either.
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I thought I'd catch the news about Ayew on BBC Midlands Today.....you know, a fairly big deal at £9-10M. And.....not a single mention; obviously this is positive news for the club. Are they a clone of Radio WM?
On the plus side, there was a feature on new Northern Soul club The Night Owl, filmed on Friday night. I arrived too fashionably late to be filmed, which is a relief as I would have Britain's Got Talent hounding me by now if they'd seen me dancing.
What's it like? Worth a visit?
Yeah, it's cool. Take no notice of these divs on here. Eddie Norton was there on Friday. No idea if you know him, well-known bloke down the Villa.
http://livebrum.co.uk/venues/the-night-owl
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If someone had told me 12 months ago that by now our management duo would be Sherwood and 'Butch', we would have sold Benteke and Delph and gone on a spending spree purchasing unknowns and Richards with the possibility of Adebayor I think I would have asked whether they were winding me up?
I will wake up soon won't I?
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You know the Premier League better than me and obviously I hope that you are right mates.
On my side, I can not share your optimism at the moment, I am afraid.
When you see the ex mighty Villa to sign a player that was a reserve in your Serie B local team and that got relegated in Spain last season. . . well, that speaks volumes about our ambition and current position in English football.
And no, I am not excited for the new season. In my last twelve trips to England to see the Villa I have spent a lot of money and watched some really crap football with the only exceptions of Norwich away 2013 and Pool semi last season.
Compared to it, I can not but notice that my Italian team, Lazio, with a poor budget produces an entertaining, attacking football, won two Italian FA Cup in the last six season, lost one in final with Juventus, qualified for the Champions League play off and launched some skilfull players like Felipe Anderson, Candreva, Biglia, Cataldi and Parolo.
The Villa, viceversa, do not have a sole player that I could say is worth the price of the ticket by himself.
And please note that is not all question of money but of competence.
Lazio, infact, operate on sell-to-buy basis and with an average attendance at its old and decadent stadium lower than Villa's one.
This makes me think that Villa have an extraordinary fan-base but do not have, at the moment and since many years, a reliable director of football. And the worst is that nobody seems to understand and to be worried for that.
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How is Eddie . I was with loads of them at the Final . never made it to the Holiday inn though . good Lad Eddie
I thought I'd catch the news about Ayew on BBC Midlands Today.....you know, a fairly big deal at £9-10M. And.....not a single mention; obviously this is positive news for the club. Are they a clone of Radio WM?
On the plus side, there was a feature on new Northern Soul club The Night Owl, filmed on Friday night. I arrived too fashionably late to be filmed, which is a relief as I would have Britain's Got Talent hounding me by now if they'd seen me dancing.
What's it like? Worth a visit?
Yeah, it's cool. Take no notice of these divs on here. Eddie Norton was there on Friday. No idea if you know him, well-known bloke down the Villa.
http://livebrum.co.uk/venues/the-night-owl
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The Villa, viceversa, do not have a sole player that I could say is worth the price of the ticket by himself.
And please note that is not all question of money but of competence.
And that, Archie, is one of the things that makes you a Villa fan.
We should change our motto from "Prepared" to something more realistic and reflective of the truth.
I suggest "Oh, FFS" or simply "Jesus Fucking Christ!"
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Or Jordan Fucking Christ.
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'Valiant'
Some alliterative impact.
'Very Valiant', more alliterative impact.
'Very Very Valiant', even more etc.
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'Jewell Fucking That Woman on a Car Bonnet' would accurately describe how my eyes have reacted to seeing us in recent years . AND it'd look nice in yellow thread, comic sans.
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You know the Premier League better than me and obviously I hope that you are right mates.
On my side, I can not share your optimism at the moment, I am afraid.
When you see the ex mighty Villa to sign a player that was a reserve in your Serie B local team and that got relegated in Spain last season. . . well, that speaks volumes about our ambition and current position in English football.
And no, I am not excited for the new season. In my last twelve trips to England to see the Villa I have spent a lot of money and watched some really crap football with the only exceptions of Norwich away 2013 and Pool semi last season.
Compared to it, I can not but notice that my Italian team, Lazio, with a poor budget produces an entertaining, attacking football, won two Italian FA Cup in the last six season, lost one in final with Juventus, qualified for the Champions League play off and launched some skilfull players like Felipe Anderson, Candreva, Biglia, Cataldi and Parolo.
The Villa, viceversa, do not have a sole player that I could say is worth the price of the ticket by himself.
And please note that is not all question of money but of competence.
Lazio, infact, operate on sell-to-buy basis and with an average attendance at its old and decadent stadium lower than Villa's one.
This makes me think that Villa have an extraordinary fan-base but do not have, at the moment and since many years, a reliable director of football. And the worst is that nobody seems to understand and to be worried for that.
Well that sobered me up. Good points, sadly.
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It's a process, and we seem to at least finally be taking steps in the right direction, even if it's just at the start. Yes, Benteke and Delph are gone, but their departures were inevitable. I prefer to look at the fact that we've managed to escape austerity with our PL status intact, are finally looking in the right places in terms of player recruitment (geographically and financially), and building what seems to be a sensible management structure (manager, coaching staff, head of recruitment, sporting director, CEO). Early days I know, and I guess we could've viewed the start of Lambert's tenure (young manager with reputation for progressive football, "young and hungry", Faulkner seemingly finally starting to show some sense) with the same claret-and-blue tinted glasses, but really, I'm happy to dream on it a little. Maybe Lazio, Swansea, Southampton are all streets ahead of us, but they're much further along that upward path, so I think we should use them as examples of the good outcomes if we get it right, rather than despairing at how shit we currently are compared to them.
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You know the Premier League better than me and obviously I hope that you are right mates.
On my side, I can not share your optimism at the moment, I am afraid.
When you see the ex mighty Villa to sign a player that was a reserve in your Serie B local team and that got relegated in Spain last season. . . well, that speaks volumes about our ambition and current position in English football.
And no, I am not excited for the new season. In my last twelve trips to England to see the Villa I have spent a lot of money and watched some really crap football with the only exceptions of Norwich away 2013 and Pool semi last season.
Compared to it, I can not but notice that my Italian team, Lazio, with a poor budget produces an entertaining, attacking football, won two Italian FA Cup in the last six season, lost one in final with Juventus, qualified for the Champions League play off and launched some skilfull players like Felipe Anderson, Candreva, Biglia, Cataldi and Parolo.
The Villa, viceversa, do not have a sole player that I could say is worth the price of the ticket by himself.
And please note that is not all question of money but of competence.
Lazio, infact, operate on sell-to-buy basis and with an average attendance at its old and decadent stadium lower than Villa's one.
This makes me think that Villa have an extraordinary fan-base but do not have, at the moment and since many years, a reliable director of football. And the worst is that nobody seems to understand and to be worried for that.
Well that sobered me up. Good points, sadly.
So of the players we have signed, that one player isn't going to set the world alight isn't going to deflect from the fact that we have spent some decent money and brought in what appears to be a number of good players. While we still clearly need improvement in a few areas, I'm not going to dive into depression just because we signed a versatile squad player.
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Thats true TV. I waver. Its kind of odd, have we had a good window or not? Arguments both ways I suppose.
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are you nuts? A window that yields much coveted players like Amavi and Gueye with more to come or a window that yielded Grant Holt? I rest my case M'lud.
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Or Jordan Fucking Christ.
Is that one of her lesser known videos?
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Thats true TV. I waver. Its kind of odd, have we had a good window or not? Arguments both ways I suppose.
It depends who else we sign.
We've picked up some decent players, but we've also started the window needing lots of upgrades AND lost our two best players.
So far, so good, but we can't really judge it until we see the rest of the business, and there is plenty more to do.
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It's a process, and we seem to at least finally be taking steps in the right direction, even if it's just at the start. Yes, Benteke and Delph are gone, but their departures were inevitable. I prefer to look at the fact that we've managed to escape austerity with our PL status intact, are finally looking in the right places in terms of player recruitment (geographically and financially), and building what seems to be a sensible management structure (manager, coaching staff, head of recruitment, sporting director, CEO). Early days I know, and I guess we could've viewed the start of Lambert's tenure (young manager with reputation for progressive football, "young and hungry", Faulkner seemingly finally starting to show some sense) with the same claret-and-blue tinted glasses, but really, I'm happy to dream on it a little. Maybe Lazio, Swansea, Southampton are all streets ahead of us, but they're much further along that upward path, so I think we should use them as examples of the good outcomes if we get it right, rather than despairing at how shit we currently are compared to them.
Everybody seems to be assuming Southampton will do well this season in the same way they assumed they'd do badly last season. I'm not so sure. They were strongest defensively last season and have lost 2 of their back 4 and their defensive midfielder. At least we were crap everywhere so a total rebuilding was essential!
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Or Jordan Fucking Christ.
Is that one of her lesser known videos?
Made me laugh.
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You know the Premier League better than me and obviously I hope that you are right mates.
On my side, I can not share your optimism at the moment, I am afraid.
When you see the ex mighty Villa to sign a player that was a reserve in your Serie B local team and that got relegated in Spain last season. . . well, that speaks volumes about our ambition and current position in English football.
And no, I am not excited for the new season. In my last twelve trips to England to see the Villa I have spent a lot of money and watched some really crap football with the only exceptions of Norwich away 2013 and Pool semi last season.
Compared to it, I can not but notice that my Italian team, Lazio, with a poor budget produces an entertaining, attacking football, won two Italian FA Cup in the last six season, lost one in final with Juventus, qualified for the Champions League play off and launched some skilfull players like Felipe Anderson, Candreva, Biglia, Cataldi and Parolo.
The Villa, viceversa, do not have a sole player that I could say is worth the price of the ticket by himself.
And please note that is not all question of money but of competence.
Lazio, infact, operate on sell-to-buy basis and with an average attendance at its old and decadent stadium lower than Villa's one.
This makes me think that Villa have an extraordinary fan-base but do not have, at the moment and since many years, a reliable director of football. And the worst is that nobody seems to understand and to be worried for that.
Most perceptive post I have seen on here for some time.
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Why does signing a player to cover the back line show our ambition, but signing Amavi, Ayew, Gueye et al not?
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The beauty of signing all these players in one window, is that there will not be any significant pressure on any individual to carry the team.
Hopefully they can all raise the standard and share some goals between them as well.
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You know the Premier League better than me and obviously I hope that you are right mates.
On my side, I can not share your optimism at the moment, I am afraid.
When you see the ex mighty Villa to sign a player that was a reserve in your Serie B local team and that got relegated in Spain last season. . . well, that speaks volumes about our ambition and current position in English football.
And no, I am not excited for the new season. In my last twelve trips to England to see the Villa I have spent a lot of money and watched some really crap football with the only exceptions of Norwich away 2013 and Pool semi last season.
Compared to it, I can not but notice that my Italian team, Lazio, with a poor budget produces an entertaining, attacking football, won two Italian FA Cup in the last six season, lost one in final with Juventus, qualified for the Champions League play off and launched some skilfull players like Felipe Anderson, Candreva, Biglia, Cataldi and Parolo.
The Villa, viceversa, do not have a sole player that I could say is worth the price of the ticket by himself.
And please note that is not all question of money but of competence.
Lazio, infact, operate on sell-to-buy basis and with an average attendance at its old and decadent stadium lower than Villa's one.
This makes me think that Villa have an extraordinary fan-base but do not have, at the moment and since many years, a reliable director of football. And the worst is that nobody seems to understand and to be worried for that.
Most perceptive post I have seen on here for some time.
Seconded.
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We do pretty much have a Director of Football, that chap from Arsenal.
Hopefully - and being an optimist - this chap has been sat at arsenal for the last few years accumulating knowledge/players which would have been perfect for us but not yet Arsenal quality. Therefore like when Wenger moved to Arsenal from Japan he had a list of players he knew he needed to sign. Petit, Viera and Anelka were largely unknown when signed but provided the catalyst for their growth. We also have Reilly and any scouting database he bought from Liverpool.
I'm not saying any of the opinions are wrong, but the negative outcome is not the only option, positive could also happen if the new people have done their jobs properly.
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Anyone know what Swansea paid to buy Ayew's big brother?
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Swansea got him on a free, but rumours down here that they gave him a £6m signing fee.
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Quite a lot of people I've listened to are really querying whether this guy will cut the mustard - bit small, but surly, etc
Overall there must be risks to the mentality of the group. V few experienced heads left. Risks of a French speaking clique.
Pleased with most of our transfer activity but we still look weak in some areas and there's an awful lot of question marks about us still
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Quite a lot of people I've listened to are really querying whether this guy will cut the mustard - bit small, but surly, etc
Overall there must be risks to the mentality of the group. V few experienced heads left. Risks of a French speaking clique.
Pleased with most of our transfer activity but we still look weak in some areas and there's an awful lot of question marks about us still
Funny, my French pal who follows Ligue 1 a lot said all our signings were good young players. He was concerned about what happened with Newcastle but he singled out Ayew as the one who could be very "dangerous" if he was pointed in the right direction and kept on track.
Whether or not that's because he's a striker and he doesn't know as much about the others I'm not sure but yes he's certainly seen as someone who can be very headstrong but has real dangerous ability.
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It's a bit like the eredivisie. Weak league with lots of good players sprinkled here and there. Makes it hard to tell how good they really are
What do I know? But my guess is gueye hits the ground running. Amavi does well but costs us a few goals to begin with. Veretout is possibly the most promising but may take longer than gueye to adapt. Ayew the wild card.
But I'm guessing a lot there
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It's a bit like the eredivisie. Weak league with lots of good players sprinkled here and there. Makes it hard to tell how good they really are
What do I know? But my guess is gueye hits the ground running. Amavi does well but costs us a few goals to begin with. Veretout is possibly the most promising but may take longer than gueye to adapt. Ayew the wild card.
But I'm guessing a lot there
That's my gut feeling too. I think Gueye looks the one most likely to hit the ground running, really looks like a cracking player for the league. A sort of Chelsea midfielder if that makes sense.
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It's a bit like the eredivisie. Weak league with lots of good players sprinkled here and there. Makes it hard to tell how good they really are
What do I know? But my guess is gueye hits the ground running. Amavi does well but costs us a few goals to begin with. Veretout is possibly the most promising but may take longer than gueye to adapt. Ayew the wild card.
But I'm guessing a lot there
That's my gut feeling too. I think Gueye looks the one most likely to hit the ground running, really looks like a cracking player for the league. A sort of Chelsea midfielder if that makes sense.
I agree on Ayew, I think Veretout will be superb though, he's got that direct, energetic style that has worked for people like Scholes and Hazard in this league, because it's quite late in the window he might need a month or 2 but I think by October he'll be a bit of a talisman for us, he's the sort of player I've wanted us to sign for ages but my knowledge of French football isn't good enough to have known who he was. All this is based on opinions of french people and youtube videos though so I might be sticking my neck out a touch, especially given he hasn't actually signed yet (I suspect we'll see some shirt stretching this afternoon though, maybe 2-3 players at once).
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It's a bit like the eredivisie. Weak league with lots of good players sprinkled here and there. Makes it hard to tell how good they really are
What do I know? But my guess is gueye hits the ground running. Amavi does well but costs us a few goals to begin with. Veretout is possibly the most promising but may take longer than gueye to adapt. Ayew the wild card.
But I'm guessing a lot there
That's my gut feeling too. I think Gueye looks the one most likely to hit the ground running, really looks like a cracking player for the league. A sort of Chelsea midfielder if that makes sense.
Ramires is the Chelsea player you have in mind. I like him.
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It's a bit like the eredivisie. Weak league with lots of good players sprinkled here and there. Makes it hard to tell how good they really are
What do I know? But my guess is gueye hits the ground running. Amavi does well but costs us a few goals to begin with. Veretout is possibly the most promising but may take longer than gueye to adapt. Ayew the wild card.
But I'm guessing a lot there
That's my gut feeling too. I think Gueye looks the one most likely to hit the ground running, really looks like a cracking player for the league. A sort of Chelsea midfielder if that makes sense.
Ramires is the Chelsea player you have in mind. I like him.
Yep a lot like Ramires but it's the sort of high energy, tidy-on-the-ball midfielders that they seem to like.
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It's a bit like the eredivisie. Weak league with lots of good players sprinkled here and there. Makes it hard to tell how good they really are
What do I know? But my guess is gueye hits the ground running. Amavi does well but costs us a few goals to begin with. Veretout is possibly the most promising but may take longer than gueye to adapt. Ayew the wild card.
But I'm guessing a lot there
That's my gut feeling too. I think Gueye looks the one most likely to hit the ground running, really looks like a cracking player for the league. A sort of Chelsea midfielder if that makes sense.
I agree on Ayew, I think Veretout will be superb though, he's got that direct, energetic style that has worked for people like Scholes and Hazard in this league, because it's quite late in the window he might need a month or 2 but I think by October he'll be a bit of a talisman for us, he's the sort of player I've wanted us to sign for ages but my knowledge of French football isn't good enough to have known who he was. All this is based on opinions of french people and youtube videos though so I might be sticking my neck out a touch, especially given he hasn't actually signed yet (I suspect we'll see some shirt stretching this afternoon though, maybe 2-3 players at once).
Am definitely excited about the prospect of Veretout as you say everyone seems to be raving about him. Hard to say from YouTube as it mainly shows penalties and the odd normal looking goal but he seems to drive forward with great energy.
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It's a bit like the eredivisie. Weak league with lots of good players sprinkled here and there. Makes it hard to tell how good they really are
What do I know? But my guess is gueye hits the ground running. Amavi does well but costs us a few goals to begin with. Veretout is possibly the most promising but may take longer than gueye to adapt. Ayew the wild card.
But I'm guessing a lot there
That's my gut feeling too. I think Gueye looks the one most likely to hit the ground running, really looks like a cracking player for the league. A sort of Chelsea midfielder if that makes sense.
Ramires is the Chelsea player you have in mind. I like him.
Yep a lot like Ramires but it's the sort of high energy, tidy-on-the-ball midfielders that they seem to like.
Hopefully not as a big a dirty cheating ****** as Ramires.
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Great.
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Ayew could be a Vasell. But maybe also a Lamptey.
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Interesting read (the latter part) from The Guardian today
Ghana, after their hugely impressive Cup of Nations and then World Cup in 2010, were many people’s favourites to win the tournament in Equatorial Guinea and Gabon in 2012, but they’d been restrained in the group stage, albeit qualifying with seven points. In the quarter-final in Franceville, they faced Tunisia. Ghana again disappointed, except for one player.
André Ayew was 22 at the time and had spent most of his career cursed by comparisons with his father, the great Abedi Pele. “What my father achieved in Ghana is huge,” he said. “He brought a lot to the country. I’m very proud of what he has done, but this doesn’t have any bearing on my game. Sometimes people may make useless comparisons. I suppose it’s normal, but I had to learn to live with that.” This was the day when he made the comparisons secondary, the day when he became a star in his own right.
John Mensah had headed Ghana into an early lead and Saber Kelifa had nodded an equaliser just before half-time. From then on, it was all about Ayew, surging forward, inspired by a sense of will and purpose his team-mates couldn’t match. Tunisia, never a side shy about the physical side of the game, kicked lumps out of him, again and again, but Ayew was implacable. Every time he was kicked he came back for more. His drive was relentless. The final minutes of normal time consisted almost entirely of him charging at the Tunisia backline, the ball being cleared and him going again. His reward came in extra time as the Tunisia goalkeeper Aymen Mathlouthi dropped a cross and he knocked the bouncing ball into an empty net; it was an ugly goal, but it was a gift Ayew thoroughly deserved.
In the semi-final, Ghana were lethargic and lost 1-0 to Zambia. That really has been the story of Ayew’s career throughout: moments of incandescence followed by patches of ordinariness. His talent has been evident for years. He is quick and direct, a threat in the air arriving late in the box and it seems he has begun to take on a leadership role. For Swansea to pick him up on a free transfer, even with a reported signing-on fee of £5.7m, is a remarkable coup, a sign both of the Premier League’s increasing financial domination of Europe and of Swansea’s growing reputation.
“He is not going to be a one-player saviour for the team or anything like that,” Garry Monk said after Ayew had scored a fine goal in the pre-season friendly against Nottingham Forest. “He is a team player and everyone has to be contribute. I do think he will bring quality and he has experience as well – I already hear him talking to the group within games and within training sessions. He brings that. But it’s not for him to go and score all the goals and create all the chances – everyone has to do that.”
That’s all sensible and true, but the exciting thing about Ayew is that he is capable of being a one-man saviour but has learned that most of the time he shouldn’t try to be; if he can find consistency he will be brilliant. He should fit in perfectly in Swansea – and not just because his second name is Morgan.
His younger brother, Jordan, who has just joined Aston Villa for £12m, is rather different. He plays higher up the pitch than André, and the fact he scored 12 goals and registered five assists for Lorient last season indicates he has talent. But he is a hugely frustrating player.
Filippo Inzaghi might have been born offside, but Jordan Ayew seems to have made it a favourite holiday destination and visits frequently (stats from whoscored.com show he goes 0.7 times a game, but it feels like more). At least with Inzaghi it could be argued that he was offside a lot because he lived always on the edge, forever trying to steal a couple of feet on a defender, pushing the line; with Ayew it often just seems like doziness.
That adds to a general sense that he lacks the game intelligence of his brother. Football is full of counter-factuals, but what if, with Ghana 2-1 up against Germany and playing superbly during the World Cup, Jordan Ayew had squared to leave Asamoah Gyan with a relatively simple finish, rather than vainly – in both senses of the word – attempting a shot? Miroslav Klose wouldn’t have come on to score an equaliser, Germany might not have rediscovered their shape and they might not be world champions.
Jordan Ayew chooses the wrong option a lot, which is one of the reasons his pass completion rate is under 80% despite him attempting only 0.6 long balls and 0.2 crosses per game last season. There was a match at this year’s Cup of Nations when yet another turn down a blind alley led to a great collective groan from the press box, not just from the Ghanaians but from everybody, aggrieved that another piece of coherent play had withered. Ayew was dispossessed 4.0 times per game last season, more often than anybody else in Ligue Un, while losing possession with bad first touches 3.8 times per game, 27 per cent more than anybody else in the league.
“He is a good player and he will do good things and it will be exciting for sure if we get to play against each other,” André said of his brother (Swansea face Villa on 24 October), which is all very proper and fraternal of him.
Realistically, though, there is a gulf between the pair.
Jordan plays as though he is far more than two years younger and unless he matures rapidly there’s a real possibility he’ll become one of those players who aggravate their own fans far more than they excite them.
André, though, could yet be very special indeed: what he did in Franceville against Tunisia spoke of an exceptional talent.
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Not exactly a confidence inspiring piece...its upto Ayew now to prove his doubters in the media wrong.
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I've only got the reports to go by, but his the one signing that I have doubts about. Hope to be proven wrong though.
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We need someone to run in behind and I'd play him next Saturday
But if he gave the ball away a lot more than anyone else in France you do wonder about how he'll cope with English football.
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Unless I am mistaken isn't Jordan Ayew our most expensive purchase in the summer window?. I would think Paddy Reilly and Tim Sherwood must have done their homework on him. Certain articles I have read suggest he might be a problem boy. Lets hope he keeps his head down and works for the team.
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He's definitely our riskiest signing, but he's got the potential to score a lot of goals and be a special player. He's the type of player who could get fans standing and cheering, if you know what I mean. That fast, skillful, dynamic player who can make things happen. We'll see. It could go the other way, and he could be a moody and lazy, but I'm gonna be hopeful.
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Good. I am delighted to have a striker who is "frustrating" on the pitch and always looking to break away or be selfish. We need a wild card up front.
It does bring up one point though which had not occurred to me before. We are going to be hit pretty hard by the African Cup of Nations.
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In 2017
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In 2017
Oh cheers! I forgot they have the two competition thing going. Bit of a relief.
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Good. I am delighted to have a striker who is "frustrating" on the pitch and always looking to break away or be selfish. We need a wild card up front.
It does bring up one point though which had not occurred to me before. We are going to be hit pretty hard by the African Cup of Nations.
It's not until 2017, and at present we'd have a maximum of three players missing. I'd suggest that Gestede has, at best, a 50% chance of qualifying with Benin. Gueye and Ayew probably have about 75% and 90% chances of qualifying with, respectively, Senegal and Ghana.
If a player was to go all the way to the final (or even the semis due to the ACN's ludicrous inclusion of a third-place play-off) he'd probably miss three games and (if we qualify) our FA Cup Fourth Round game.
Not exactly disastrous, especially as our opponents will likely be affected too. It might be worth applying for a Keane-style loan from MLS to see us through though, as if Gestede and Ayew did both make it, we could be lacking forwards.
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Is Ayew a traditional striker? From that report, it suggests that he is whereas I thought he was more versatile than that, an inside forward?
With Ayew (possibly), Gesede, Kozak (both definitely) and the potential signing of Berbatov and/or Adebayor then we will have little threat from the channels and our midfield could get swamped (assuming we have two upfront) as none of them are inclined to drop deep.
I'm a tad worried by this.
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Cheers! I feel better now :)
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I think he can play right across the front. But I don't think he'd be happy wide of a four man midfield
Agree about the flanks - especially as grealish and Gil are seen as no 10s and not wide players
I'm not really sure what he's got planned to be honest. We've been 442 or 4411 in all the friendlies but I don't think it suits our players very much.
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Hmmm. Interesting that Gueye was told he'd be playing on the right of a 433 yet we've hardly used it pre-season.
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Yeah I've thought that. I think we should.
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As for Ayew's tendency to be lazily caught offside, I would think that could have been said for Benteke, Savo and JPA - none of whom in the main didn't pay us back with other qualities instead
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I'm still not convinced Sherwood rates Sanchez. I'd like to see Gueye and Sanchez as defensive midfielders with Veretout playing attacking midfield, two wide men/inside-forwards and a centre-forward.
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I'm still not convinced Sherwood rates Sanchez. I'd like to see Gueye and Sanchez as defensive midfielders with Veretout playing attacking midfield, two wide men/inside-forwards and a centre-forward.
That is where I see us having most flexibility:
Gueye/Westwood Sanchez/(at a push) Richardson
Gil/Ayew Veretout/(at a push) Cole Grealish/Sinclair/Gabby
Gestede/Kozak/Adebayor
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I'm still not convinced Sherwood rates Sanchez. I'd like to see Gueye and Sanchez as defensive midfielders with Veretout playing attacking midfield, two wide men/inside-forwards and a centre-forward.
That is where I see us having most flexibility:
Gueye/Westwood Sanchez/(at a push) Richardson
Gil/Ayew Veretout/(at a push) Cole Grealish/Sinclair/Gabby
Gestede/Kozak/Adebayor
I'd hope that Gardner is the replacement in that formation rather than the 'at a push' Richardson.
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I'd like to see Richardson being "pushed" to another club.
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I'm still not convinced Sherwood rates Sanchez. I'd like to see Gueye and Sanchez as defensive midfielders with Veretout playing attacking midfield, two wide men/inside-forwards and a centre-forward.
That is where I see us having most flexibility:
Gueye/Westwood Sanchez/(at a push) Richardson
Gil/Ayew Veretout/(at a push) Cole Grealish/Sinclair/Gabby
Gestede/Kozak/Adebayor
You've got Grealish in the wrong place, I'm 100% certain he'll play in the veretout/cole position, that's where his future is, he's not quick enough to play wider but he's mentally sharp enough and has the range of skills to be fantastic in a more central role.
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Grealish combining with the likes of Gueye, Amavi, Veretout and Ayew is something to be genuinely excited about...all confident passing and receiving the ball in tight areas, skills on the ball, pace and vision. If the players gel, we tighten up at the back and TS gets the blend right going forward then we'll be in for some highly entertaining football this season.
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We're not exactly seeing ringing endorsements of Ayew are we? Gestede seems to have been the flat-track bully of the Championship last season. I hope that £15m combined for both doesn't come back to bite us.
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That £15m combined scored a combined 35 goals in a combined 72 appearances for their clubs last season so hopefully it wont bite us too hard. From what I've seen, both Ayew and Gestede can play a bit and they're obviously not donkeys so we'll start to see results from both once they've settled. They are both young so may need a bit of patience whilst they adapt to Premier League football, but I'd like to think that its been recognised that they must have the right temperament otherwise they wouldn't have been identified and signed in the first place.
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That £15m combined scored a combined 35 goals in a combined 72 appearances for their clubs last season so hopefully it wont bite us too hard. From what I've seen, both Ayew and Gestede can play a bit and they're obviously not donkeys so we'll start to see results from both once they've settled. They are both young so may need a bit of patience whilst they adapt to Premier League football, but I'd like to think that its been recognised that they must have the right temperament otherwise they wouldn't have been identified and signed in the first place.
Gestede is 27 in October. He should be in his prime, or at least about to enter it for the next few seasons. Ayew will certainly mature and come into his own as the season progresses. I think this squad will benefit from either Adebayor or Berbatov because both players, though at the back end of their careers are naturally incredibly talented. They have both played at top clubs, and won a number of honours in the process. That's what Sherwood is trying to bring to the club. Players who can positively influence and will help change the culture.
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Didn't realise Gestede was that old but you're right about the need to bring in quality experienced players, and I'd like to see those additions in key positions throughout the spine of the team. TS also alluded to the need for players with a winning mentality so hopefully he has recognised that hunger in the players that we've already signed and compliment that with any experienced players over the next few weeks.
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We're not exactly seeing ringing endorsements of Ayew are we? Gestede seems to have been the flat-track bully of the Championship last season. I hope that £15m combined for both doesn't come back to bite us.
Ayew doesn't like/want to play out wide, seeing himself more a a striker than wideman. I'd hope he saw and realises that Sinclair is also out wide but can get into goalscoring positions. I think ideally he'd like to be part of a front two as apparently he's more a poacher than leading the line type centre forward.
Very early days but let's hope it doesn't take too long for Sherwood to find a settled side with players playing in their best positions. The temptation to justify the investment by playing his signings where ever is something too many managers fall for.
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Maybe, maybe not. The fact we could finish between 7-20 based on how the new lads go, with a pile of cash in our pocket for January if we need help? That works for me.
It won't be boring. We will score goals. We will get stuffed sometimes.
I genuinely believe though that this season is the start of what we thought we were getting under Lambert.
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I think it feels very much Like lambert's first season. But our young and hungry approach is getting several players of the £7-10m category, and not getting the rest from division 1.
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Yep.
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shite at bournemouth, shite last night.
and a diver.
looks like a waste of money.
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Blimey, far too early to make that judgement. He has been crap for two games but so have plenty of other great players new to the English game.
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shite at bournemouth, shite last night.
and a diver.
looks like a waste of money.
It was hardly a dive. More akin to Grealish against the Baggies in the FA Cup. Momentum, getting out of the way of a tackle etc.
Be a bit more patient, please mate
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He has looked thoroughly useless in terms of no left foot , no control and no composure and he doesn't make intelligent runs, however it's going to take time for him to settle in so we can't expect too much for first 6 months
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He has looked thoroughly useless in terms of no left foot , no control and no composure and he doesn't make intelligent runs, however it's going to take time for him to settle in so we can't expect too much for first 6 months
The last part of your sentence, I agree with. It's the 'thoroughly useless' part which irks. I don't know why, I just feel Ayew up front, through the middle with Gestede might work better. He'll also do better surrounded by the Gil's and Grealish's of this world. And lets not forget Adama, too!
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totally agree didn't he play more centrally last year in France and it was his most successful season. plenty of time yet before writing the guy off
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He's looked miles off the pace, which you may be able to attribute to the fact he's miles off the pace. Take him out of the team until he gets up to speed.
No idea if he's going to be good enough or not, I had my doubts when we signed him but I'm not basing anything on those two games. He's got an OK pedigree, commanded a very decent transfer fee and he really wanted to join us. He deserves a lot more of a chance than this.
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totally agree didn't he play more centrally last year in France and it was his most successful season. plenty of time yet before writing the guy off
Of course we shouldn't write him off he's cost a significant amount of money and he clearly must have ability. I think we need to be patient and ease him into games maybe off the bench and buy an experienced proven goalscorer aswell.
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He's off the pace, big deal. Ronaldo, Evra, Vidic, De Gea, Silva etc etc all struggled when they first came to England. I'm confident he'll come good and needs some patience along with the other new players.
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totally agree didn't he play more centrally last year in France and it was his most successful season. plenty of time yet before writing the guy off
Of course we shouldn't write him off he's cost a significant amount of money and he clearly must have ability. I think we need to be patient and ease him into games maybe off the bench and buy an experienced proven goalscorer aswell.
But you said earlier he looked like a poor signing. Make your mind up.
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shite at bournemouth, shite last night.
and a diver.
looks like a waste of money.
After two games?
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Lots of players struggle at first at every club. Our European Cup winning captain Dennis Mortimer was very poor for a long time before coming through. Good job the internet was still a pipedream in those days,many players would have suffered vile abuse on a weekly basis. Footballers
pre 1990 had it easy it that respect.
Ayew has played two full games, it will be a month or two or longer before we see his true worth. It could be worth waiting for.
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well said Ron, and I don't want to diss placeforparks but wasn't he the guy that denigrated Benteke before he'd kicked a ball in anger for us?
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Surely stating the obvious but he needs just a bit of time to bed in, build a rapport, chemistry and understanding with the other players. That will come. Even if he isn't the world's best, he's probably equal to what we already have, with the potential to improve vastly. He's young, has his best days ahead of him. Please don't right him off. Remember how long Angel took to settle.
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The one thing i'm glad of is that we've learned from the likes of Benteke, Delph etc not to write a young player off straight away and give them over a period of time to show if they are good enough or not. It's one thing to say a player hasn't been impressive so far, to write them off after two games seems a bit daft to me.
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The one thing i'm glad of is that we've learned from the likes of Benteke, Delph etc not to write a young player off straight away and give them over a period of time to show if they are good enough or not. It's one thing to say a player hasn't been impressive so far, to write them off after two games seems a bit daft to me.
I agree with that, the conundrum is how long we persevere with him in the first team without his confidence and the team suffering too much. Equally TS needs to try and guess how he would react to effectively being dropped if we put him on the bench.
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On the other hand, his (free transfer) brother seems to have settled remarkably well.
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On the other hand, his (free transfer) brother seems to have settled remarkably well.
Andre, his older, more experienced brother who was free because his brother wanted to move from Marseille and ran down his contract.
Not saying Andre's not a good player, he looks quite impressive from the snippets I've seen, but the free transfer is not relevant in judging his ability relative to Jordan. Andre will almost certainly prove to be better value for money because of the free transfer, if he keeps up his form, unless Jordan turns into a bargain of Benteke proportions.
EDITED as when reading it back it was as clear as mud. Hopefully makes sense now.
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People very quick to judge based on their knowledge of the game. I think I will go with the judgement of the scouts and manager. Not many had heard about him a month ago, let alone seen him play and now they are an expert on him.
I will reserve judgement until the end of the season.
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He looks so off match fitness that he's making lots of mental errors. Veretout has made a number of mental errors too. Mainly in their control and distribution. Given that the PL is arguably the fastest paced league in the world they need to get used to that. All of this will come with experience, dedication and fitness. Some players just pick it up quicker and Gueye and Amavi by comparison look PL ready.
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People very quick to judge based on their knowledge of the game. I think I will go with the judgement of the scouts and manager.
Did you go with the judgement of the scouts and the manager when we signed the likes of Harewood, Bowery, Luna, Cole et al?
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People very quick to judge based on their knowledge of the game. I think I will go with the judgement of the scouts and manager. Not many had heard about him a month ago, let alone seen him play and now they are an expert on him.
I will reserve judgement until the end of the season.
I never subscribed to the belief that because fans aren't in the game they don't have a clue what they're talking about, it's nonsense. But it's true that we shouldn't judge any of our new players yet, just not for the reason you state.
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I guess the other thing to factor in is these young lads have been plucked out of a foreign country and rapidly deployed to the Midlands, are probably living in hotels etc so aswell as adjusting to the PL they have all the other domestic crap to deal with. It's going to take time.
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Swansea apparently paid the big brother a 5m signing on fee so the 'free' transfer tag needs to be qualified a tad.
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Swansea apparently paid the big brother a 5m signing on fee so the 'free' transfer tag needs to be qualified a tad.
I'm pretty sure that the younger brother didn't join us just because of a smile and a cheeky wink from the manager.
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He looks so off match fitness that he's making lots of mental errors. Veretout has made a number of mental errors too. Mainly in their control and distribution. Given that the PL is arguably the fastest paced league in the world they need to get used to that. All of this will come with experience, dedication and fitness. Some players just pick it up quicker and Gueye and Amavi by comparison look PL ready.
This is the key. I said a few years ago, when Delph was a walking yellow card, that the main problem was that he didn't have the awareness needed so his reactions and touch were slightly out and it meant he was always half a yard short of where he needed to be but that if he stayed fit and got a run of games he'd be a good player, I started to waver in the first season under Lambert but then in January it all suddenly clicked into place for him and he looked much better and from then on got far fewer bookings as well.
I think Ayew (and Veretout and Gueye this season and Sanchez last season) are all suffering with the same issue, things happen faster in the premier league, particularly in the middle of the pitch where players may have a yard more space in most other leagues. Getting fit and adapting to that pacing difference isn't easy and it's very easy to look at a player who's struggling with that and think they're shit (look at the early performances from Ronaldo, Bale and Hazard all 3 of them looked ropey at times in their first season or so, this is also why I think LVG is a fucking idiot for letting Di Maria go for so much less than they paid so quickly and it's why Mourinho has gambled on Falcao after a poor season with Man Utd).
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How old is he 23? Even if he scored 6-9 league goals this season and increased that year on year he will be worth what we paid for him in the current market. There was enough second half to suggest he has some fight, and he seemed to always be happy to take the ball. He also won a lot of flick ons first half, I think he has a decent leap which could be interesting in time.
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People very quick to judge based on their knowledge of the game. I think I will go with the judgement of the scouts and manager. Not many had heard about him a month ago, let alone seen him play and now they are an expert on him.
I will reserve judgement until the end of the season.
I never subscribed to the belief that because fans aren't in the game they don't have a clue what they're talking about, it's nonsense. But it's true that we shouldn't judge any of our new players yet, just not for the reason you state.
Indeed.
I agree with OMVF re giving Ayew time, but the suggestion it's because we need to trust in scouts, managers, other staff etc is nonsense, as you can look at any one of thousands of shit transfers anywhere you like, and they were all the result of the work of managers and scouts, too.
As well as which, it's not just about spotting the player, it is about knowing what to do with him when you get him.
We've got almost an entire new team. They will need time to gel and also to get used to this league.
I'd certainly think Ayew has far more time credit in the bank than, say, Gabby, who has played hundreds of games in the top flight and delivered next to fuck all for several seasons.
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This could just be me but am I right in thinking he looked very heavily right footed?
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I guess the other thing to factor in is these young lads have been plucked out of a foreign country and rapidly deployed to the Midlands, are probably living in hotels etc so aswell as adjusting to the PL they have all the other domestic crap to deal with. It's going to take time.
But you said that he looks a poor signing. Make your mind up.
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He needs a goal, like Gestede to get him going and put a bit of confidence into him
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He needs a goal, like Gestede to get him going and put a bit of confidence into him
I said that the other day. He'll be fine once he settles down and get's a goal under his belt.
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He needs a goal, like Gestede to get him going and put a bit of confidence into him
I said that the other day. He'll be fine once he settles down and get's a goal under his belt.
Agreed
The fans also need confidence in the strikers, look at how we all think about Gestede after scoring the winner last week,
if it had been Ayew we would probably all think the same about him instead,
a goal or two breeds confidence on and of the pitch
I'm sure it will come, Sherwood obviously fancies him as he's started him in both league games and we all know how important players look in training to Sherwood so he must be doing something to impress him
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The problem with Ayew jnr is that he looks like he's trying too hard and having to carve out chances for himself. Ayew snr has had 2 matches where chances have been almost put on a plate for him. With the likes of Traore, Gil and Grealish to come in, I believe that Ayew will get more chances to do things in the penalty area and not have to play so deep.
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Early days for the lad. Not sure what his best position is or is he's currently playing in it, but right now he reminds me of watching Weimann. Lots of movement with a good intentions, but control lets him down and and he seems anxious, trying a bit too hard and lacking in composure. I'd hoped Weimann would have that lack of composure coached out of him , but sadly it didn't happen. Hopefully with Ayew it's just a confidence and settling in thing.
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The problem with Ayew jnr is that he looks like he's trying too hard and having to carve out chances for himself. Ayew snr has had 2 matches where chances have been almost put on a plate for him. With the likes of Traore, Gil and Grealish to come in, I believe that Ayew will get more chances to do things in the penalty area and not have to play so deep.
Ayew Snr looks a far more polished player so far, touch, movement etc
The reports from France suggested that we have overpaid for Jordan based on his career to date.
Hopefully our scouts have spotted something else in him but he looks incredibly limited from the evidence of the first two games.
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I guess the other thing to factor in is these young lads have been plucked out of a foreign country and rapidly deployed to the Midlands, are probably living in hotels etc so aswell as adjusting to the PL they have all the other domestic crap to deal with. It's going to take time.
But you said that he looks a poor signing. Make your mind up.
Yes, make up your mind!!! haha
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Well given he's older he's likely to be more polished. I know there are some exceptions, but generally players get better the more experienced they become.
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If the Ayew brothers have a good relationship then I'd like to think that they will naturally encourage and compete against each other. Both are forwards and both will naturally have that hunger to score goals, so I'd be surprised if they didn't have that desire to be better than each other.
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I guess the other thing to factor in is these young lads have been plucked out of a foreign country and rapidly deployed to the Midlands, are probably living in hotels etc so aswell as adjusting to the PL they have all the other domestic crap to deal with. It's going to take time.
But you said that he looks a poor signing. Make your mind up.
Yes, make up your mind!!! haha
He looks a poor signing but should be given time to prove all doubters wrong.
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I guess the other thing to factor in is these young lads have been plucked out of a foreign country and rapidly deployed to the Midlands, are probably living in hotels etc so aswell as adjusting to the PL they have all the other domestic crap to deal with. It's going to take time.
But you said that he looks a poor signing. Make your mind up.
Yes, make up your mind!!! haha
He looks a poor signing but should be given time to prove all doubters wrong.
He looks a poor signing.
After two matches?
But should be given time to prove doubters wrong? Talk about hedging your bets.
Give him a chance FFS. And "he looks a poor signing" isn't giving him a chance even if you do try to shrug it off with "should be given time to prove doubters wrong".
How about just giving him the time now rather than judging him as a poor signing at all?
Why on earth do you dig yourself into these holes? It's like you just can't fully suppress the urge to be miserable about everything. Even when you're saying someone needs time, you have to get it out and splurge some nonsense about how he looks shit.
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Far too early to judge him. He came in so late with no real pre - season as such which goes for the others. He had a poor first season at Loriente but save them from the drop with his goals a year later. The guy has ability but could do with some decent service.
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I guess the other thing to factor in is these young lads have been plucked out of a foreign country and rapidly deployed to the Midlands, are probably living in hotels etc so aswell as adjusting to the PL they have all the other domestic crap to deal with. It's going to take time.
But you said that he looks a poor signing. Make your mind up.
Yes, make up your mind!!! haha
He looks a poor signing but should be given time to prove all doubters wrong.
He looks a poor signing.
After two matches?
But should be given time to prove doubters wrong? Talk about hedging your bets.
Give him a chance FFS. And "he looks a poor signing" isn't giving him a chance even if you do try to shrug it off with "should be given time to prove doubters wrong".
How about just giving him the time now rather than judging him as a poor signing at all?
Why on earth do you dig yourself into these holes? It's like you just can't fully suppress the urge to be miserable about everything. Even when you're saying someone needs time, you have to get it out and splurge some nonsense about how he looks shit.
It's like he has Tourette's where he sees something Villa related and blurts out "it's shit" without even knowing he did it.
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It's an opinion, in the same way Ive said I think Richards and Amavi look great signings. Think I've said the same about Gueye.
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It's an opinion, in the same way Ive said I think Richards and Amavi look great signings. Think I've said the same about Gueye.
But it's the way you phrase it that makes people laugh/pisses people off (delete as appropriate)
You said "he looks like a poor signing" which, regardless of how many caveats you apply afterwards about should be given time etc. comes across as unremittingly negative and dismissive.
If you'd said something along the lines of
"He hasn't shown too much from what I've seen but it's still early days so hopefully he'll come good", it's expressing pretty much the same sentiment, but without the overriding sense of "we're all doomed" you frequently convey and avoiding the apparent disconnect between your two statements.
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Ok ViD noted. I will try and use my words better.
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I can see where Shill is coming on this one...some players you see for the first time and instantly think they'll be good 'uns....Gueye at Walsall, Amavi and also Gestede.
Being honest there's something about Ayew that I just don't think he'll fit in this league.
It's like Tonev coming on v Liverpool for his debut and instantly shooting 40 yard free kicks into Row F of the Holte End...well he didn't improve with time.
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It's an opinion, in the same way Ive said I think Richards and Amavi look great signings. Think I've said the same about Gueye.
But it's the way you phrase it that makes people laugh/pisses people off (delete as appropriate)
You said "he looks like a poor signing" which, regardless of how many caveats you apply afterwards about should be given time etc. comes across as unremittingly negative and dismissive.
If you'd said something along the lines of
"He hasn't shown too much from what I've seen but it's still early days so hopefully he'll come good", it's expressing pretty much the same sentiment, but without the overriding sense of "we're all doomed" you frequently convey and avoiding the apparent disconnect between your two statements.
Totally agree. 2 games in is nothing. He needs to build an understanding with the others. A lack of a proper pre - season is the biggest factor. Steve Froggatt rates him and believes there is a lot more to come. I would take an ex pros opinion far more than any others.
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I would take an ex pros opinion far more than any others.
Really?
(http://images.football365.com/12/08/800x600/Robbie-Savage_2807922.jpg)
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I would take an ex pros opinion far more than any others.
Really?
(http://images.football365.com/12/08/800x600/Robbie-Savage_2807922.jpg)
Lightning from Gladiators has let herself go hasn't she?
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With 9 players coming in the odds are that at least 1 won't work out. All managers make bad signings.
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I would take an ex pros opinion far more than any others.
Really?
(http://images.football365.com/12/08/800x600/Robbie-Savage_2807922.jpg)
I think the majority of ex pros are prone to cliche and having an agenda based on loyalty to former clubs, team mates or managers. I find most of them have a surprising lack of knowledge of the game on the whole.
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I would take an ex pros opinion far more than any others.
Really?
(http://images.football365.com/12/08/800x600/Robbie-Savage_2807922.jpg)
Certainly Garry Neville and Jamie Carragher are loathe to say anything too bad about the clubs where they spent their best years. Either on screen or in print.
I think the majority of ex pros are prone to cliche and having an agenda based on loyalty to former clubs, team mates or managers. I find most of them have a surprising lack of knowledge of the game on the whole.
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Would you trust a horse to tell you how to be a good jockey?
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Mister Ed.
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With 9 players coming in the odds are that at least 1 won't work out. All managers make bad signings.
I think we can safely say already Amavi, Richards and Gueye will be very good signings
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Would you trust a horse to tell you how to be a good jockey?
Neigh.
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People very quick to judge based on their knowledge of the game. I think I will go with the judgement of the scouts and manager. Not many had heard about him a month ago, let alone seen him play and now they are an expert on him.
I will reserve judgement until the end of the season.
Blimey, do we now need to fully explain ourselves in our posts so that others do not take them out of context.
I would have thought my first sentence following on previous posts by others was a clue to my meaning 'after two games' and my references to the club was meant to say they have watched him more than this, talked to him and others and seen something in him to warrant buying him.
To then get sarcastic replies listing 'failures' as a reason not to go with scouts opinions and, also, 'fans deep knowledge of the game should not be dismissed as it may be a better judge of a player' may just be 'playing devil's advocate' by some or more blatant dissing by others.
I sometimes wonder whether some poster just want to sound 'clever' with their comments or are just arrogant with their put down of others. There seem to be very few that use sarcasm that can go the whole nine yards in an Oscar Wilde way.
Right, who is going to be the first to respond with "this is a fans forum and everybody is entitled to an opinion".
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this is a fans forum and everybody is entitled to an opinion
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What do I win?
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What do I win?
A signed Jordan Ayew jock strap
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What do I win?
Stating the blindingly obvious probably gets you 5 yards there.
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YAY! E-Bay awaits.
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What do I win?
A signed Jordan Ayew jock strap
Collect it from eastie, he has loads of them.
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What do I win?
Stating the blindingly obvious probably gets you 5 yards there.
Five yards of ale? Thank you, Sir!
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What do I win?
Stating the blindingly obvious probably gets you 5 yards there.
Five yards of ale? Thank you, Sir!
Still 3 yards off.
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What do I win?
Stating the blindingly obvious probably gets you 5 yards there.
Five yards of ale? Thank you, Sir!
Still 3 yards off.
Two will do for me. Result!
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It's an opinion, in the same way Ive said I think Richards and Amavi look great signings. Think I've said the same about Gueye.
But it's the way you phrase it that makes people laugh/pisses people off (delete as appropriate)
You said "he looks like a poor signing" which, regardless of how many caveats you apply afterwards about should be given time etc. comes across as unremittingly negative and dismissive.
If you'd said something along the lines of
"He hasn't shown too much from what I've seen but it's still early days so hopefully he'll come good", it's expressing pretty much the same sentiment, but without the overriding sense of "we're all doomed" you frequently convey and avoiding the apparent disconnect between your two statements.
Totally agree. 2 games in is nothing. He needs to build an understanding with the others. A lack of a proper pre - season is the biggest factor. Steve Froggatt rates him and believes there is a lot more to come. I would take an ex pros opinion far more than any others.
It isn't just the only two games at the club thing, either. Some of these players have never played outside France, either. It won't happen overnight, for lots of reasons.
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What do I win?
Stating the blindingly obvious probably gets you 5 yards there.
Five yards of ale? Thank you, Sir!
Still 3 yards off.
Two will do for me. Result!
So you are accepting less. Backing off, result!
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Either will do for me.
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I would have thought my first sentence following on previous posts by others was a clue to my meaning 'after two games' and my references to the club was meant to say they have watched him more than this, talked to him and others and seen something in him to warrant buying him.
That's fine, but that's still no different to them watching, talking to and seeing something in Tonev and Harewood to warrant buying them. Just because they are doing it doesn't make it right, just like it didn't when we bought failures before.
That doesn't mean that Ayew is going to be a failure, and it would be ridiculous to judge him as such after two matches - but nor are other peoples opinions rendered irrelevant just because they're not professional scouts or football managers.
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I would take an ex pros opinion far more than any others.
Really?
(http://images.football365.com/12/08/800x600/Robbie-Savage_2807922.jpg)
I think the majority of ex pros are prone to cliche and having an agenda based on loyalty to former clubs, team mates or managers. I find most of them have a surprising lack of knowledge of the game on the whole.
Savage is the worst of the lot with his gushing praise and man love for Mark Hughes. In staggered that Danny Mills is still used by 5 Live, isn't he supposed to be saving english football with Greg Dyke?
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Far too early to write him off. We've played 2 Games!
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Internet and Hyperbole: a marriage made in heaven.
2 games ...
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Has anyone said it's only been 2 games? We need to give him a chance!
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I would have thought my first sentence following on previous posts by others was a clue to my meaning 'after two games' and my references to the club was meant to say they have watched him more than this, talked to him and others and seen something in him to warrant buying him.
That's fine, but that's still no different to them watching, talking to and seeing something in Tonev and Harewood to warrant buying them. Just because they are doing it doesn't make it right, just like it didn't when we bought failures before.
That doesn't mean that Ayew is going to be a failure, and it would be ridiculous to judge him as such after two matches - but nor are other peoples opinions rendered irrelevant just because they're not professional scouts or football managers.
Every transfer is a gamble. Even the best players can fail if they do not fit in.
As they say, opinions are like a********, everybody has one. Go back and read my original post and the 2nd sentence "I think I will go with ..."
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I would take an ex pros opinion far more than any others.
Really?
(http://images.football365.com/12/08/800x600/Robbie-Savage_2807922.jpg)
I think the majority of ex pros are prone to cliche and having an agenda based on loyalty to former clubs, team mates or managers. I find most of them have a surprising lack of knowledge of the game on the whole.
Savage is the worst of the lot with his gushing praise and man love for Mark Hughes. In staggered that Danny Mills is still used by 5 Live, isn't he supposed to be saving english football with Greg Dyke?
I thought that was Tereasa May for a moment. There is something of the night about him/her.
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I would have thought my first sentence following on previous posts by others was a clue to my meaning 'after two games' and my references to the club was meant to say they have watched him more than this, talked to him and others and seen something in him to warrant buying him.
That's fine, but that's still no different to them watching, talking to and seeing something in Tonev and Harewood to warrant buying them. Just because they are doing it doesn't make it right, just like it didn't when we bought failures before.
That doesn't mean that Ayew is going to be a failure, and it would be ridiculous to judge him as such after two matches - but nor are other peoples opinions rendered irrelevant just because they're not professional scouts or football managers.
Every transfer is a gamble. Even the best players can fail if they do not fit in.
As they say, opinions are like a********, everybody has one. Go back and read my original post and the 2nd sentence "I think I will go with ..."
That's fine, you're welcome to hold that opinion. I don't see how reading it again is going to change that. I don't think that anything has been missed or overlooked.
But if other people want to hold an opinion that stretches beyond "the manager knows better than you lot", then that should be respected as well.
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I would have thought my first sentence following on previous posts by others was a clue to my meaning 'after two games' and my references to the club was meant to say they have watched him more than this, talked to him and others and seen something in him to warrant buying him.
That's fine, but that's still no different to them watching, talking to and seeing something in Tonev and Harewood to warrant buying them. Just because they are doing it doesn't make it right, just like it didn't when we bought failures before.
That doesn't mean that Ayew is going to be a failure, and it would be ridiculous to judge him as such after two matches - but nor are other peoples opinions rendered irrelevant just because they're not professional scouts or football managers.
Every transfer is a gamble. Even the best players can fail if they do not fit in.
As they say, opinions are like a********, everybody has one. Go back and read my original post and the 2nd sentence "I think I will go with ..."
That's fine, you're welcome to hold that opinion.
But if other people want to hold an opinion that stretches beyond "the manager knows better than you lot", then that's fine as well.
I am not the one arguing against/commenting about others opinions. My original post was to give my opinion relating to the player and the amount of time to make a judgement, with no comment about anybody else's opinion. My further comments have been about people taking my first post and commenting out of context (or so I thought).
I never said "the manager knows better than you lot" unless you want to spin my words to make it sound that way.
I suppose you will reply as you will want to get the last word on the matter. If you do, you will because this is the last I am going to say on this matter.
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What do I win?
A signed Jordan Ayew jock strap
He's only worn it twice and even that's shit.
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I am not the one arguing against/commenting about others opinions. My original post was to give my opinion relating to the player and the amount of time to make a judgement, with no comment about anybody else's opinion.
That's not the way it looked.
I sometimes wonder whether some poster just want to sound 'clever' with their comments or are just arrogant with their put down of others. There seem to be very few that use sarcasm that can go the whole nine yards in an Oscar Wilde way.
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I am not the one arguing against/commenting about others opinions. My original post was to give my opinion relating to the player and the amount of time to make a judgement, with no comment about anybody else's opinion. My further comments have been about people taking my first post and commenting out of context (or so I thought).
I never said "the manager knows better than you lot" unless you want to spin my words to make it sound that way.
I suppose you will reply as you will want to get the last word on the matter. If you do, you will because this is the last I am going to say on this matter.
I know, I'm such a terrible person replying to somebody's posts on a message board.
But whether you want to respond or not, I'm sure you can see that if you say:
I think I will go with the judgement of the scouts and manager. Not many had heard about him a month ago, let alone seen him play and now they are an expert on him.
Then you can probably see why people think you are suggesting that the manager should just be trusted over any opinions of the player on here.
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I've never really liked the argument "managers know best", which is often coupled with "you wouldn't know if you haven't played the game".
I never hear the same logic elsewhere, in all the rows we've ever had on here about politics I've yet to see anyone state "well, if you've not been a Cabinet Minister, you shouldn't really comment" or argue that "you can't say boy bands are shit unless you're Simon Cowell".
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I've never really liked the argument "managers know best", which is often coupled with "you wouldn't know if you haven't played the game".
I never hear the same logic elsewhere, in all the rows we've ever had on here about politics I've yet to see anyone state "well, if you've not been a Cabinet Minister, you shouldn't really comment" or argue that "you can't say boy bands are shit unless you're Simon Cowell".
"I think I'll take Bono's opinion of the latest U2 album rather than that of a load of know-nothing internet fantasists who have never even fronted a bombastic stadium rock four-some"
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I've never really liked the argument "managers know best", which is often coupled with "you wouldn't know if you haven't played the game".
I never hear the same logic elsewhere, in all the rows we've ever had on here about politics I've yet to see anyone state "well, if you've not been a Cabinet Minister, you shouldn't really comment" or argue that "you can't say boy bands are shit unless you're Simon Cowell".
"I think I'll take Bono's opinion of the latest U2 album rather than that of a load of know-nothing internet fantasists who have never even fronted a bombastic stadium rock four-some"
I may as well, I'm never going to fucking listen to it.
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Ha!
I wonder if we need to invent some form of Godwin's Law on the basis that any thread on H&V will, eventually, end up with us slagging off Bono (usually my fault).
We could call it Twatwearingsunglasseswhothinkshesgodwin's Law.
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Well you know that would work, as long as there was the opposite.
I.e. Bono is brill.
Sorry, just positing. Not believing.
Ever. Even just a little bit.
Gosh.
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What do I win?
A signed Jordan Ayew jock strap
He's only worn it twice and even that's shit.
Bloody hell, if he can't even get his jock strap on the right way round..........
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And in other important news
http://ghanasoccernet.com/scandal-acquahs-wife-describes-midfielder-monkey-claims-jordans-dick-bigger/
Jordan Ayew, Ayew
He's bigger than me or you
He's gonna shag one or two
Jordan Ayew, Ayew
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Oh Matron
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Despite his form being up and down, he'll come good.
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Despite his form being up and down, he'll come good.
I must have missed the up part so far, can you enlighten us ;)
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Hopefully he'll improve vastly, last night he was crap.
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I don't think she did
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He's here, he's there, he's generally offside, it's Ayew it's Ayew.
Ok so it needs a bit of work......
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If Ayew scores
We're on the pitch/piss (delete as appropriate )
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Sounds like he's been scoring for 4 years.
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With impressive regularity
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I'd be more reassured if most of the reports of him didn't describe exactly the player we're seeing! Obvious talent, but erratic, gives the ball away and probably doesn't have an outstanding attribute
Obviously he needs time. But as a team we need some instant form up front
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We were warned.
What makes it worse is he's brother actually looks PL ready and bloody good.
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I'd be more reassured if most of the reports of him didn't describe exactly the player we're seeing! Obvious talent, but erratic, gives the ball away and probably doesn't have an outstanding attribute
Obviously he needs time. But as a team we need some instant form up front
On the contrary
Everything I read about him has panned out in his first three games. Always offside, erratic, wasteful in possession and not as good as his brother.
Very early days though
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I think we're agreeing aren't we?
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No wonder his movement looks a bit sluggish, it's the pendulum effect stopping any momentum or sudden changes in direction.
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No wonder his movement looks a bit sluggish, it's the pendulum effect stopping any momentum or sudden changes in direction.
Very good ViD
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Him, Gabby and Rudy out of form for too long is a grim thought.
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Him, Gabby and Rudy out of form for too long is a grim thought.
Sinclair, Kazak and Adama in form is like that first fix of heroin... (Allegedly..)
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Him, Gabby and Rudy out of form for too long is a grim thought.
Sinclair, Kazak and Adama in form is like that first fix of heroin... (Allegedly..)
Is nice.
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Him, Gabby and Rudy out of form for too long is a grim thought.
Sinclair, Kazak and Adama in form is like that first fix of heroin... (Allegedly..)
We've seen some odd formations suggested on here over the years, but I don't think we've ever tried playing a whole nation upfront. :)
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I think secretly you might have an inkling as to who I meant...
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Him, Gabby and Rudy out of form for too long is a grim thought.
Sinclair, Kazak and Adama in form is like that first fix of heroin... (Allegedly..)
We've seen some odd formations suggested on here over the years, but I don't think we've ever tried playing a whole nation upfront. :)
Kazak Stan Collymore?
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Him, Gabby and Rudy out of form for too long is a grim thought.
Sinclair, Kazak and Adama in form is like that first fix of heroin... (Allegedly..)
We've seen some odd formations suggested on here over the years, but I don't think we've ever tried playing a whole nation upfront. :)
Kazak Stan Collymore?
Quite brilliant!
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Him, Gabby and Rudy out of form for too long is a grim thought.
Sinclair, Kazak and Adama in form is like that first fix of heroin... (Allegedly..)
We've seen some odd formations suggested on here over the years, but I don't think we've ever tried playing a whole nation upfront. :)
Villa tried playing Ireland but that didn't work out too well
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Him, Gabby and Rudy out of form for too long is a grim thought.
Sinclair, Kazak and Adama in form is like that first fix of heroin... (Allegedly..)
We've seen some odd formations suggested on here over the years, but I don't think we've ever tried playing a whole nation upfront. :)
Villa tried playing Ireland but that didn't work out too well
Think we played Ireland because of Dublin.
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FFS - did we pay 8 millions for the younger brother, and Swansea got the other one for free? Not sure they are related football wise. 2 goals created by the older one...
Fingers crossed that I will be proven wrong by this statement
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The Swansea player was always the higher rated. That's why he was still at Marseille
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Before getting carried away with Andre Ayew it's worth remembering he has hardly been a prolific goalscorer in his career. He's broken double figures twice in the league, the highest in a season being 11. He's a decent striker with just better than a 1 in 4 career goalscoring record. There is no doubt he's had a brilliant start to his career in the PL, but let's not elevate him to something he isn't. He's very likely not going to keep this pace up. His younger brother has ground to make up but we have bought the younger one who has room to grow and improve which I am sure he will.
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Andre Ayew is a winger though so you wouldn't expect him to score bucket loads
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The fact that Andre Ayew is Jordan Ayew's brother isn't really of any relevance to us.
I am pretty sure, though, that if we'd signed him, and he'd done as he has for Swansea thus far, we'd be extremely impressed with him.
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but he hasn't come free - there was a hefty signing on fee plus substantial wages
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to be fair with the signing on fee and the higher wages Jordan won't work out that much more expensive than his' free' brother...
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I think our Ayew will be just fine.
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I do too. :)
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A reminder that he has undoubted talent
http://youtu.be/oRKUkvBcfgc
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A reminder that he has undoubted talent
http://youtu.be/oRKUkvBcfgc
Bloody hell. Look at the Marseille formation at the start of that. Is Andre Ayew playing LB?
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A reminder that he has undoubted talent
http://youtu.be/oRKUkvBcfgc
He just needs a bit of time and a goal. One off the arse. Something scrappy to get him started and settle his nerves.
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Scored a tidy winner in injury time for Ghana.
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I hope this gives him a bit of confidence which must be a bit shaky right now after his first few games with us. He's a good player and good prospect as shown with the winner for his country. He'll come good for us.
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He needs a break of some sort on the pitch, a rebound in off his arse or back of head just to straighten him out and relax him into PL.
I assume he has the same genes as Andre so it should be ok in the long term
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Cracking goal and not to dissimilar to a couple he scored on one of those compilations. Bare with him, let him find his feet, there's talent there.
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Cracking goal and not to dissimilar to a couple he scored on one of those compilations. Bare with him, let him find his feet, there's talent there.
Still not sure what is his best position. Wide forward cutting in like he did in the clip or a more central role?
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What a corker! Mind you that footage looks like it's from 1993.
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What a corker! Mind you that footage looks like it's from 1993.
Jordan Ayew - the Dennis Andries of Aston Villa.
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I think he's probably best as part of a pair, but drifting out wide. But for now Sinclair would get that gig.
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He has barely played 2 and half games not 10 or 15! Next time I see a post that says we bought the wrong Ayew I am going to get banned!
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He has barely played 2 and half games not 10 or 15! Next time I see a post that says we bought the wrong Ayew I am going to get banned!
Looks like we've bought the wrong Ayew really doesn't it? (sorry, couldn't resist! :p).
I actually think there's a decent player in there but am reserving judgement as to whether I think he will actually settle or not
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He has barely played 2 and half games not 10 or 15! Next time I see a post that says we bought the wrong Ayew I am going to get banned!
Agreed. There are countless players who start badly and come good like Evra and Ronaldo, and also others who start brilliantly and then go on to to be awful like Luna. So a bit of patience is needed.
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What a corker! Mind you that footage looks like it's from 1993.
Was his dad still playing then ? Maybe its him
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What a corker! Mind you that footage looks like it's from 1993.
Jordan Ayew - the Dennis Andries of Aston Villa.
Explain please. A boxer who was like Roger Milla in age?
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plays like he is wearing stilettos. fucking useless.
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Not a player.
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I see nothing in him. Waste of space.
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I see nothing in him. Waste of space.
Agree entirely
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He is so out of his depth,total waste of money
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You early to give a final judgement... but I can hear a fat lady gargling.
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Give the guy a chance to settle in.
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He doesn't look great does he?
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I must admit, I felt a bit perturbed when someone posted his Youtube vid and most of his goals were penalties.
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Give the guy a chance to settle in.
I'd give him bollocks so far.
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I'm all for giving a Villa player a chance, but what has he actually done? He hasn't scored, but what does he offer?
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Is he related to George Weah by any chance????
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I'm not going to judge him yet, but he is not a wide player.
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An absolutely stupid time to bring on a Striker who hasn't found his feet yet when you are under the cosh. It wasn't his fault he was part of a completely dim substitution.
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Did he actually touch the ball when he came on today?
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Terrible terrible player. Looks like a Sunday morning lad having a go.
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Oh come on, today is not his fault. He will take an incredible amount of flak for it (I have already received a text saying 'Ayew fucked us') but it is not his fault he was brought on in an entirely inappropriate situation. We were under the cosh before Gil scored, and that wasn't going to change after the 2nd goal. Sure, bring the guy one when we are chasing a game, but to protect a lead against an enthusiastic, partisan, desperate team? Ridiculous. His Villa career might not get over that, and it will be entirely Sherwood's fault.
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He's been shite in every minute of every game he's featured in . Sometimes you can just tell straight away when you've signed a dud.
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Did he actually touch the ball when he came on today?
Sort of and gave it straight away for another Leicester counter
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I don't blame him for the result personally at all. He is living up to the reports we had on him though. He gives the ball away a lot.
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We signed the wrong Ayew.
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Terrible terrible player. Looks like a Sunday morning lad having a go.
He had a shocking game, but calling him a terrible player after 5/6 games in a new league is ridiculous.
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It was just a bewildering decision to bring Ayew on. If it was 2-0 in the 83rd minute and we were controlling things with Leicester running out of puff, I could maybe see the point, but we were up against it and needed to retain the ball better. If Sherwood isn't going to bring Veretout on in those circumstances, then you start to wonder if he's another dud.
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Terrible terrible player. Looks like a Sunday morning lad having a go.
He had a shocking game, but calling him a terrible player after 5/6 games in a new league is ridiculous.
I called it after 2 games. I've seen enough to know he won't make it . Not even close.
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If anyone can speak French there's a long thread on him on a FC Lorient forum
http://www.fclorient.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=18190&start=650 (http://www.fclorient.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=18190&start=650)
There's a hell of a lot of smiley faces on it, so either they're really pleased for the boy or they think they got a cracking deal.
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They are loving the fee I think. But you can say the same for practically every player English clubs have bought from Ligue 1
There's no way all our signings are going to come off. It would be a problem if the two worst were the two strikers though!
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When you sign a new player from abroad, you do so with a pinch of salt knowing full well that it could take the player a while to settle in...but you also look for a glimmer of hope or a little something on the pitch to make you think that he'll come good. I hate to say it but Ayew has shown nothing and looks completely out of his depth.
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There's no way all our signings are going to come off. It would be a problem if the two worst were the two strikers though!
Unfortunately I think the worst 2 players we're signed are the 2 strikers...on the evidence so far, Ayew and Gestede aren't good enough. I'm not an Austin fan but he'd have been a better signing than this pair.
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I still have hopes for gestede if we can sort our crossing out.
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Terrible terrible player. Looks like a Sunday morning lad having a go.
He had a shocking game, but calling him a terrible player after 5/6 games in a new league is ridiculous.
I called it after 2 games. I've seen enough to know he won't make it . Not even close.
Well you can't have seen enough, because no one has. He might or might not make it, but no one can know after two or five games.
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Terrible terrible player. Looks like a Sunday morning lad having a go.
He had a shocking game, but calling him a terrible player after 5/6 games in a new league is ridiculous.
I called it after 2 games. I've seen enough to know he won't make it . Not even close.
Well you can't have seen enough, because no one has. He might or might not make it, but no one can know after two or five games.
Whilst you're correct to say that it's too early to say for definite, I'd have that that by now there would have been some glimpse of talent. I can't remember any positives from Ayew so far. His touch is woeful
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He has scored some class goals. That doesn't mean he'll make it but it does mean he's got more than what we've seen so far
I'd definitely have kozak ahead of him though
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Why isn't Kozak getting a look in ?
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He's been crap so far. He might not stay crap, but he shouldn't be in the squad at the moment.
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Terrible terrible player. Looks like a Sunday morning lad having a go.
He had a shocking game, but calling him a terrible player after 5/6 games in a new league is ridiculous.
I called it after 2 games. I've seen enough to know he won't make it . Not even close.
Well you can't have seen enough, because no one has. He might or might not make it, but no one can know after two or five games.
Whilst you're correct to say that it's too early to say for definite, I'd have that that by now there would have been some glimpse of talent. I can't remember any positives from Ayew so far. His touch is woeful
To be honest he started his first couple of games badly, which is hardly uncommon and he's thrown on today in a game which the tide had already turned. He's clearly trying to hard, but you don't get to play in any major European league, let alone score goals, without a better touch than he's displayed so far. He might not make it, but no one can know yet.
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Swansea certainly seem to have got the better end of the deal.
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Swansea certainly seem to have got the better end of the deal.
Free as well .
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Looking at his record, I'm struggling to see what made him worth £10m. 12 goals in 31 games for Lorient last season is decent but not spectacular, but before that he's done hardly anything.
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Probably wasn't anywhere near £10m , wasn't it "undisclosed" ?
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Terrible terrible player. Looks like a Sunday morning lad having a go.
He had a shocking game, but calling him a terrible player after 5/6 games in a new league is ridiculous.
I called it after 2 games. I've seen enough to know he won't make it . Not even close.
Well you can't have seen enough, because no one has. He might or might not make it, but no one can know after two or five games.
Whilst you're correct to say that it's too early to say for definite, I'd have that that by now there would have been some glimpse of talent. I can't remember any positives from Ayew so far. His touch is woeful
To be honest he started his first couple of games badly, which is hardly uncommon and he's thrown on today in a game which the tide had already turned. He's clearly trying to hard, but you don't get to play in any major European league, let alone score goals, without a better touch than he's displayed so far. He might not make it, but no one can know yet.
To be honest, it doesn't seem like he's trying at all.
For the fee we paid.. he really doesn't look up for it. I don't know if it's his mannerisms or general poor play but I don't see much promise with this purchase. I have a feeling he's going to work out similar to CNZ.
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I'd like to know what his key attributes are. So far all I know is he's rather partial to playing offside, and not on the pitch.
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I'd like to know what his key attributes are. So far all I know is he's rather partial to playing offside, and not on the pitch.
Des he doesn't even look like a footballer.
More like a boy band member playing in a charity match type player.
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I'd like to know what his key attributes are. So far all I know is he's rather partial to playing offside, and not on the pitch.
Des he doesn't even look like a footballer.
More like a boy band member playing in a charity match type player.
If he's not careful Gabby will clobber him.
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I'd like to know what his key attributes are. So far all I know is he's rather partial to playing offside, and not on the pitch.
Des he doesn't even look like a footballer.
More like a boy band member playing in a charity match type player.
If he's not careful Gabby will clobber him.
Well so far he's only going in One Direction.
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He's been crap so far. He might not stay crap, but he shouldn't be in the squad at the moment.
Hopeless so far. I cant recall one thing he has done well.
Early days, but....
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Inaugural member of Bomb Squad III which is shaping to be a big one
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Inaugural member of Bomb Squad III which is shaping to be a big one
You don't half spout some melodramatic nonsense.
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Inaugural member of Bomb Squad III which is shaping to be a big one
You don't half spout some melodramatic nonsense.
The truth hurts
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Inaugural member of Bomb Squad III which is shaping to be a big one
You don't half spout some melodramatic nonsense.
The truth hurts
Go on then, name Bomb Squad III.
This should be easier than the who should the manager be type questions, as it's a pretty limited pool to chose from.
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There's no way all our signings are going to come off. It would be a problem if the two worst were the two strikers though!
Unfortunately I think the worst 2 players we're signed are the 2 strikers...on the evidence so far, Ayew and Gestede aren't good enough. I'm not an Austin fan but he'd have been a better signing than this pair.
I'd agree with that, the important bit being based on the evidence so far.
Also not a fan of Austin, but starting wonder why we, or any other lower half / mid table team didn't try and get him.
With regards Ayew, whilst we're not quite at Tommy Docherty levels of assessment for a striker new to the league yet, it's starting to look like it might be appropriate. See how he does over the next couple of months. Hopefully he'll start to show something that looks like a glimmer of hope.
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Inaugural member of Bomb Squad III which is shaping to be a big one
You don't half spout some melodramatic nonsense.
The truth hurts
Not half as much as reading your posts Coopers Injury.
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Ayew needs until Christmas before an objective assessment can be made. If he is then as he is now, then loansville beckons to try and boost his playing opportunities/ confidence
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There's no way all our signings are going to come off. It would be a problem if the two worst were the two strikers though!
Unfortunately I think the worst 2 players we're signed are the 2 strikers...on the evidence so far, Ayew and Gestede aren't good enough. I'm not an Austin fan but he'd have been a better signing than this pair.
I'd agree with that, the important bit being based on the evidence so far.
Also not a fan of Austin, but starting wonder why we, or any other lower half / mid table team didn't try and get him.
With regards Ayew, whilst we're not quite at Tommy Docherty levels of assessment for a striker new to the league yet, it's starting to look like it might be appropriate. See how he does over the next couple of months. Hopefully he'll start to show something that looks like a glimmer of hope.
Austin was on SSN last week and mentioned that he was approached by 2 or 3 PL clubs but he declined as they weren't suitable for him or his family...which pretty much suggests he doesn't want to move out of London (if these approaches actually happened).
I would also agree with mr underhill that Ayew could do with a loan spell somewhere as we simply don't have and can't afford time for him to find his feet in PL games. He clearly must have something about him to be an international player, but he hasn't shown anything to suggest he is either settled or ready to make the step up to the first team yet.
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Ayew is so early on in his Villa career it is unfair to be so judgmental...and I would say that Ayew is an example of the rule rather than the exception. By that I mean it seems that many foreign imports take time to settle and contribute in a meaningful way, rather than the one or two exceptions who are instant successes. Just off the top of my head...Benteke, Petrov, Angel...examples of top foreign players for us who didn't settle quickly and there are many more.
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Has he played through the middle for us at all so far? Seems like that's where he's most comfortable but I guess it's understandable for Sherwood at this stage to be skeptical about his ability to lead the line for a PL side.
When we signed him, the major weakness which people seemed to highlight was his tendency to give the ball away a lot, regardless of how well he was playing otherwise; so it's no surprise that that's exactly what's been happening so far, as he's tried to fit in here and probably not very confident.
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He's also supposed to be pretty crap at staying onside according to reports before we signed him.
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It is early days and I want him to succeed. But I struggle to think of too many players who have looked as hopeless, even in their early games for us. Certainly not players who eventually turned it round for a modicum of success. He's honestly looked like a bad Ali Dia impersonator.
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We're due a Balaban (Bosko, not Bob) this decade. Ayew has potential for the role.
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let's not wish that sort of opprobrium on the poor lad just yet
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He's also supposed to be pretty crap at staying onside according to reports before we signed him.
So is he good at anything?
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Well recent reports in the media suggest he's pretty good at fucking someone else's wife or ex-wife...or so she claims.
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Ayew's strike rate at Lorient was 12 goals in 31 games and currently has 9 in 29 for Ghana. Hardly a bad strike rate? Also, he has played in the Champions League including a match at Old Trafford. Why can't he do it at Villa?? Perhaps confidence is the issue?
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He'll score against the rags tomorrow.
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Clearly he's a forward.
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So Sihil think you might have jumped the gun a bit?
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So Sihil think you might have jumped the gun a bit?
On this rare occasion he wouldn't be the only one. He's shown nothing like this before.
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No, but it was massively too soon for anyone to write him off completely.
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Don enough to start at Anfield.
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Should start at Anfield.
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Well done Jordan. Really excellent impact, albeit against Championship quality.
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Looked a player tonight. Hopefully he can get a run of decent performances under his belt now.
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Absolutely chuffed with Ayew. Looks a player. As the coach said to Bobby Bouche "can you do that for me every week".
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Absolutely chuffed with Ayew. Looks a player. As the coach said to Bobby Bouche "can you do that for me every week".
And he wanted the ball. A villa player wanting the ball. Yippee yay ya
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Yup the kid was quality
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Has to start against Liverpool. 4-3-3 with him, Jack and Gil in front of Veretout, Gana (if fit, if not, Westwood) and Sanchez.
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Much better from him. Works hard and is physically strong too. Far better option than Gab.
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He'll score against the rags tomorrow.
I was sort of right, i'm claiming it any way!
He was very good tonight.
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Thought he was class tonight.
Didn't think he had that in his locker.
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Showed great work-rate and a desire to track back too. Very pleasing.
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The most important thing for me tonight was that he wanted to be involved in the game and didn't hide, which would have been the easy thing for him to do. His performance was the exact opposite to Gabby.
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I've seen glimpses over his skills in his previous appearances but he hasn't looked confident, settled or simply good enough...tonight was the first time he's stepped up with skills and pace...theres clearly a player in there. Give him time. The lad will come good.
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Hopefully tonight we saw something approaching the real Ayew. Imagine being a defender facing him, Adama and Jack all in full flow.
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He showed some lovely touches tonight, and some real class against players who simply couldn't deal with his skills.
Incredibly impressed with his work rate as well - didn't think he had that in him from what I've seen so far.
Couldn't quite work out what position/role he was playing as one minute he was beating 4 players and nearly scoring, and the next he was tracking back and tackling on our own dead ball line.
He played as if the game meant something to him.
More of this please!
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Agree Frank. Loved his attitude. It's just a shame we can't play SMA every week. At least with the cheers from the Holte, he may start feeling he belongs and more importantly his confidence grows.
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Genuinely impressed today.
Nursey gave him a 6, wtf?
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He showed some lovely touches tonight, and some real class against players who simply couldn't deal with his skills.
Incredibly impressed with his work rate as well - didn't think he had that in him from what I've seen so far.
Couldn't quite work out what position/role he was playing as one minute he was beating 4 players and nearly scoring, and the next he was tracking back and tackling on our own dead ball line.
He played as if the game meant something to him.
More of this please!
Yes you have summed it up for me. They couldn't cope with his skill and guile that critics could easily put that down to playing a rubbish team however no one can knock his desire and work rate. Well done Jordon and now let's see that week in week out.
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Was really impressed with Ayew when he came on. The wide right role really suits him. There is a player in there somewhere.
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He'll score against the rags tomorrow.
I was sort of right, i'm claiming it any way!
He was very good tonight.
go on then, you were right,
I was impressed with him last night, and as said above the holts (i think) even started chanting his name, always a good sign.
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Ayew strikes me as a massive confidence player and also a bit of a nutter.
He really seemed to embrace the atmosphere yesterday and played very direct and with a good amount of aggression and swagger. As others have said, hopefully that is the springboard for him.
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he grew into the game and looked decent out wide. I said before that he could become a Vassell or even a Joachim type player for us. Not a conventional forward but one that does his work around the fringes of the last third and picks the ball up from anywhere across the pitch and has a run at defenders. Some games it won't come off, others it will.
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He really seemed to embrace the atmosphere yesterday and played very direct and with a good amount of aggression and swagger. As others have said, hopefully that is the springboard for him.
Thought the same, he even threw his shirt into the crowd at the end.
His close control impressed me, a marked contrast to any other forward we have.
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He really seemed to embrace the atmosphere yesterday and played very direct and with a good amount of aggression and swagger. As others have said, hopefully that is the springboard for him.
Thought the same, he even threw his shirt into the crowd at the end.
His close control impressed me, a marked contrast to any other forward we have.
The best bit for me was that he started trying tricks, there was one right on the line where he tried to flick it over the defender and it went dead but at least he was happy to give it a go, I like strikers who are willing to do something different to try to make a chance for themselves.
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First time I've seen him and was impressed
Quick and direct and willing to try something different
He also dropped deep to help the midfield out
For me he has to start above gabby any day of the week
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Made a big difference when he came on, had an excellent half. He seemed determined to take control of his own destiny as a footballer by dropping deep as soon as he came on and demanding the ball, as if trying to build his own confidence. With money being pretty tight, I'm delighted that he didn't look like the £10m dud he has up to last night. Also nice to see Rudy get the winner and show he can be useful too with the right service.
With those two and Veretout doing okay last night, I think we have now seen glimpses of ability from nearly all our signings that give us hope at least, with Gana, Richards and Amavi being especially good. Lescott was pants though.
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Looked much more comfortable on the right last night. Made a real difference when he came on.
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He really seemed to embrace the atmosphere yesterday and played very direct and with a good amount of aggression and swagger. As others have said, hopefully that is the springboard for him.
Thought the same, he even threw his shirt into the crowd at the end.
His close control impressed me, a marked contrast to any other forward we have.
The best bit for me was that he started trying tricks, there was one right on the line where he tried to flick it over the defender and it went dead but at least he was happy to give it a go, I like strikers who are willing to do something different to try to make a chance for themselves.
What makes it better as well is that he's still trying that sort of thing in spite of a bit of a ropey start to his Villa career - he'd be forgiven for just trying to play it simple and not try anything too fancy.
Good for him.
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Hopefully a massive confidence boost for him. Give him a start Saturday now if gabbys an injury doubt.
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Was really impressed with Ayew when he came on. The wide right role really suits him. There is a player in there somewhere.
Ditto. The fact that we also have Adama as a similar type of player (but very raw) means that they can fight it out for one position. Similarly I think Gil and Grealish (similar players) can duel for the other position. The problem is who you play in-between them...
Three solid midfielders behind them, one with license to push forward (Vertout?) and - I think - you have the basis of a good team with a good mix of pace/skill and bodies in the right places to stop us being over-run.
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Hopefully a massive confidence boost for him. Give him a start Saturday now if gabbys an injury doubt.
Give him a start even if Gabby not an injury doubt.
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What makes it better as well is that he's still trying that sort of thing in spite of a bit of a ropey start to his Villa career - he'd be forgiven for just trying to play it simple and not try anything too fancy.
Good for him.
Yeah that's what I was getting at, he certainly didn't play within himself which is what you often see from someone who's struggled to settle in and is what we're seeing from Gabby right now. If he'd got the goal he deserved when their keeper turned one away from the top corner I think he'd definitely be starting at the weekend.
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I thought Veretout looked much better with a couple of players like Ayew and Grealish willing to move for him.
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Much, much better. Hopefully he's finding his feet now.
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I was impressed with his work rate. Wasn't sure where he was playing at first as he was all over the pitch wanting the ball.
He really improved our shape I think. When he got the ball he went down the wing with it when we've been relying on the full backs for width a lot lately. With Rudy as our centre forward we really need crosses from the touchline coming in so it was good to see.
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Was very impressed. Thought some of the criticism of him has been grossly unfair. Gotta start on Saturday.
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Hopefully a massive confidence boost for him. Give him a start Saturday now if gabbys an injury doubt.
He's certainly done his chances no harm. He's a funny little player, doesn't seem to do the obvious thing, plays a completely different game to any other striker we have. He'll be raring to go after last night. Great that the fans got a real close up view of him in action and cheered him on. He absolutely thrived on it.
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Ayew, Grealish, Gil and Traore. I think there's a bit of magic to be had with those 4. It's finding the right combination to not leave the team too open.
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I've always rated him ;)
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Ayew, Grealish, Gil and Traore. I think there's a bit of magic to be had with those 4. It's finding the right combination to not leave the team too open.
Personally I think you play one of Grealish/Gil and one of Ayew/Adama. The competition between each pair should keen them all motivated, plus they're all young enough that they're likely to have dips in form and periods where they need a rest. The problem is identifying the lucky bugger that is to tap in all the chances they create.
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To be honest I was flabbergasted watching him last night. Like many I'd written him off but he's like a new signing for us now. Bung him on at Anfield to keep the momentum.
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Away from home, I think he could play up front on his own in a 4-2-3-1 formation when it would be better to leave Gestede on the bench. We play our better football when we try and keep the ball on the deck. From what I have seen of Ayew in clips from france, he seems to like the freedom to move all across the front line.
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Ayew, Grealish, Gil and Traore. I think there's a bit of magic to be had with those 4. It's finding the right combination to not leave the team too open.
Personally I think you play one of Grealish/Gil and one of Ayew/Adama. The competition between each pair should keen them all motivated, plus they're all young enough that they're likely to have dips in form and periods where they need a rest. The problem is identifying the lucky bugger that is to tap in all the chances they create.
I'm hoping that lucky bugger will be Ayew.
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Away from home, I think he could play up front on his own in a 4-2-3-1 formation when it would be better to leave Gestede on the bench. We play our better football when we try and keep the ball on the deck. From what I have seen of Ayew in clips from france, he seems to like the freedom to move all across the front line.
I can dig that. Mobility is key. I've seen giant redwoods more mobile than Gestede has been to date
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Everyone knows trees can move unless you live in middle earth and know a friendly Ent or two.
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Away from home, I think he could play up front on his own in a 4-2-3-1 formation when it would be better to leave Gestede on the bench. We play our better football when we try and keep the ball on the deck. From what I have seen of Ayew in clips from france, he seems to like the freedom to move all across the front line.
I can dig that. Mobility is key. I've seen giant redwoods more mobile than Gestede has been to date
Yet we've won two games inside 90 minutes and he's scored both winners.
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I like Rudy, admittedly I'd only seen him against Liverpool last season and his touch and movement didn't seem poor so I'm putting it down to he hasn't hit his stride just yet. Boy can he head a ball though, Gestede and Ayew still have the potential to be a decent forward pairing.
If Ayew's display Wednesday has taught us anything it's to give them a little more time, he's gone from being on of the so called worst Strikers we've ever bought to a game changer who can do something a bit different, overnight. There's players in both of these, I'm willing to give them time, especially when the other option is Gabby.
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Away from home, I think he could play up front on his own in a 4-2-3-1 formation when it would be better to leave Gestede on the bench. We play our better football when we try and keep the ball on the deck. From what I have seen of Ayew in clips from france, he seems to like the freedom to move all across the front line.
I can dig that. Mobility is key. I've seen giant redwoods more mobile than Gestede has been to date
Yet we've won two games inside 90 minutes and he's scored both winners.
Stop letting facts get in the way of peoples opinions :)
I think his overall game improved once Gabby went off - coincidence?
Also makes a difference if the ball is not rocketed at him at around 6ft high - when it was placed to his lower body he actually held it ok
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If Ayew's display Wednesday has taught us anything it's to give them a little more time, he's gone from being on of the so called worst Strikers we've ever bought to a game changer who can do something a bit different, overnight.
Everybody wants to give an opinion, straightaway. Too much FIFA ... / Football Manager or whatever those computer games are called. Football is a team game and unless you are world class, you need others to enable you to play.
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If Ayew's display Wednesday has taught us anything it's to give them a little more time, he's gone from being on of the so called worst Strikers we've ever bought to a game changer who can do something a bit different, overnight.
Everybody wants to give an opinion, straightaway. Too much FIFA ... / Football Manager or whatever those computer games are called.
Opinions like "Lescott cannot play week in week out" or "Gestede cannot play with his back to goal"?
Or are those sort of opinions okay?
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Can all of these threads be combined into one called:
"New Signing CONFIRMED - He's not quite match fit yet" ?
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Gestede is as good as Benteke when it comes to taking the ball on his chest.
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Gestede is as good as Benteke when it comes to taking the ball on his chest.
I'll look forward to one of these down the road then
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If Ayew's display Wednesday has taught us anything it's to give them a little more time, he's gone from being on of the so called worst Strikers we've ever bought to a game changer who can do something a bit different, overnight.
Everybody wants to give an opinion, straightaway. Too much FIFA ... / Football Manager or whatever those computer games are called.
Opinions like "Lescott cannot play week in week out" or "Gestede cannot play with his back to goal"?
Or are those sort of opinions okay?
Yes, they are. Without opinions this forum would be dead and you would be out of a job.
Picking and choosing small comments made before to counter a comment about major decision on writing off a player is a bit small-time nitpicking........... in my opinion.
By the way, are you stalking me?
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If Ayew's display Wednesday has taught us anything it's to give them a little more time, he's gone from being on of the so called worst Strikers we've ever bought to a game changer who can do something a bit different, overnight.
Everybody wants to give an opinion, straightaway. Too much FIFA ... / Football Manager or whatever those computer games are called.
Opinions like "Lescott cannot play week in week out" or "Gestede cannot play with his back to goal"?
Or are those sort of opinions okay?
Yes, they are. Without opinions this forum would be dead and you would be out of a job.
Picking and choosing small comments made before to counter a comment about major decision on writing off a player is a bit small-time nitpicking........... in my opinion.
By the way, are you stalking me?
It isn't a perfectly normal comment about not writing players off, though, it is this bit:
Too much FIFA ... / Football Manager or whatever those computer games are called.
There's no need, people are entitled to their opinions, as crazy as they may seem to you, and to write them off to being the result of playing too many computer games is pointlessly childish.
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You've been playing FIFA 16 all day haven't you? 😉
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You've been playing FIFA 16 all day haven't you? 😉
Ha ha, no, but I did have a few games last night. I like it.
I think OMVF has got his stuff a bit confused, though, it is Football Manager where you really get an idea of what players are like. On FIFA I manage to reduce any player to a Clayton Blackmore level of meh-ness.
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If Ayew's display Wednesday has taught us anything it's to give them a little more time, he's gone from being on of the so called worst Strikers we've ever bought to a game changer who can do something a bit different, overnight.
Everybody wants to give an opinion, straightaway. Too much FIFA ... / Football Manager or whatever those computer games are called.
Opinions like "Lescott cannot play week in week out" or "Gestede cannot play with his back to goal"?
Or are those sort of opinions okay?
Yes, they are. Without opinions this forum would be dead and you would be out of a job.
I quite agree. Which is why I think you complaining that "everybody wants to give an opinion, straightaway. Too much FIFA ... / Football Manager or whatever those computer games are called" is a bit rich given the context of where you are writing it.
By the way, are you stalking me?
What on earth are you talking about?
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Blimey, one hits you and the other kicks you when you are down.
Can't anybody take a joke any more. I should have put a ? after my comment.
Anyway, I haven't got a clue what these computer games do. It's not my scene, man.
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omvf looks to me as Dave is stalking you.
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You've been playing FIFA 16 all day haven't you? 😉
Ha ha, no, but I did have a few games last night. I like it.
I think OMVF has got his stuff a bit confused, though, it is Football Manager where you really get an idea of what players are like. On FIFA I manage to reduce any player to a Clayton Blackmore level of meh-ness.
Clayton had a great shot on him. Sure he scored a screamer at VP in the 80's
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You've been playing FIFA 16 all day haven't you? 😉
Ha ha, no, but I did have a few games last night. I like it.
I think OMVF has got his stuff a bit confused, though, it is Football Manager where you really get an idea of what players are like. On FIFA I manage to reduce any player to a Clayton Blackmore level of meh-ness.
Clayton had a great shot on him. Sure he scored a screamer at VP in the 80's
Didn't every ManU player
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You've been playing FIFA 16 all day haven't you? 😉
Ha ha, no, but I did have a few games last night. I like it.
I think OMVF has got his stuff a bit confused, though, it is Football Manager where you really get an idea of what players are like. On FIFA I manage to reduce any player to a Clayton Blackmore level of meh-ness.
Clayton had a great shot on him. Sure he scored a screamer at VP in the 80's
Was it a shot from out wide, maybe Butler was in goal for us that day?
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Been very impressed with Ayew since he came on against them lot down the road.
He's obviously growing in confidence. Hope he starts down the middle on Sunday
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Been very impressed with Ayew since he came on against them lot down the road.
He's obviously growing in confidence. Hope he starts down the middle on Sunday
he deserves to start based on his reaction at the end of the swansea game. compare that to gabby who has played 300 odd games and doesnt give a fuck
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I don't get it. All this endless running, making himself available for the ball and trying to effect the game in a way that might cause goal scoring opportunities. What's his problem? Obviously not been 'coached' long enough.
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You've been playing FIFA 16 all day haven't you? 😉
Ha ha, no, but I did have a few games last night. I like it.
I think OMVF has got his stuff a bit confused, though, it is Football Manager where you really get an idea of what players are like. On FIFA I manage to reduce any player to a Clayton Blackmore level of meh-ness.
Clayton had a great shot on him. Sure he scored a screamer at VP in the 80's
Didn't every ManU player
Mal Donaghy was pretty poor
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Yes, his decision making can be a bit iffy and loses the ball but he does something many of our strikers have forgotten to do - try a shot! He's the liveliest of the bunch we have so we have to play him. I'd rather have Weimann than Gabby.
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Slightly concerned about his ability with his back to goal as the central guy, however he's done enough - just - to get a run of games.
Vertout is next on the rank. We have to get more out of him.
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Just? Last 3 games he scored against Swansea, came off the bench and won the pen v Saints, and came off the bench and scored v Spurs.
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Slightly concerned about his ability with his back to goal as the central guy, however he's done enough - just - to get a run of games.
Vertout is next on the rank. We have to get more out of him.
Yeah, I think he looks better cutting in from the right or left, playing off someone if he is on his on he could get muscled out a bit.
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Just? Last 3 games he scored against Swansea, came off the bench and won the pen v Saints, and came off the bench and scored v Spurs.
Fair one. However for all the good stuff recently he's also been awful on other occasions.
My point was that the recent stuff justifies a series of games, back-to-back, where he should be beyond criticism and undroppable so he can justify his place.
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Slightly concerned about his ability with his back to goal as the central guy, however he's done enough - just - to get a run of games.
Vertout is next on the rank. We have to get more out of him.
Yeah, I think he looks better cutting in from the right or left, playing off someone if he is on his on he could get muscled out a bit.
Agree. I think if we can get the ball to him in wide areas, then he could cause problems.
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Another fanzine site reporting that Tom Ross has posted on Facebook that Ayew has injured a leg.
No confirmation yet so may be just a rumour..... Hopefully.
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What I could find on the web, it was posted yesterday.
He is currently on international duty with Ghana, who embarrassingly drew 0-0 with 177th ranked Comoros on Friday night.
But he pulled out of their training session today. GhanaWeb is reporting that he sat out the session, along with his brother, with a leg injury.
Luckily it appears as though the injury is not serious and Ayew is hopefully going to be in action this week.
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Well he must be fit as he played and scored today
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/round=276420/match=300338617/index.html
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He can do this 'til his heart's content in front of the Holte.
Touch, turn, twat! (https://vine.co/v/iuWAgxumbJL)
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He can do this 'til his heart's content in front of the Holte.
Touch, turn, twat! (https://vine.co/v/iuWAgxumbJL)
he's certainly growing in confidence.
Look at that pitch. Like 1970's England
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There is a player in Ayew. Positive, likes to have a go. He was never going to get much of a kick last week and maybe won't at the weekend, but against the sides that he can get at, he will be a great asset long term I reckon.
He also looks to me like the type that if we drop, will score a bucket load in the Championship.
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He also looks to me like the type that if we drop, will score a bucket load in the Championship.
He and Gestede would probably get forty goals between them.
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Can't wait!
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I agree, Villa strikers scoring loads of goals.
Sign me up.
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That's a lovely first touch, totally unexpected, I like that bit of brilliance he's shown in a few videos. I hope that becomes a big part of his game for us.
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There is a player in Ayew. Positive, likes to have a go. He was never going to get much of a kick last week and maybe won't at the weekend, but against the sides that he can get at, he will be a great asset long term I reckon.
Everton are a good side and it will be a difficult game but to suggest Ayew might not get much of a kick is going a little far.
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I agree, Villa strikers scoring loads of goals.
Sign me up.
I do think if Garde can settle in, even if he doesn't perform the miracle and keep us up (judging on other sides with 5 points after 11 lets face it, it would be a pretty stunning effort) we do have a squad we could keep together and walk promotion back up.
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Well he must be fit as he played and scored today
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/round=276420/match=300338617/index.html
Is Comoros a real country? Sounds like a holiday package tour company.
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The way he shaped that shot was very similar to his near miss against Spurs. Very good finish.
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Well he must be fit as he played and scored today
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/round=276420/match=300338617/index.html
Is Comoros a real country? Sounds like a holiday package tour company.
Islands in the Indian Ocean. About 20 years ago (maybe more) a plane crash was captured on film there. I think it was a 737 cart-wheeling in the ocean on the approach.
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Well he must be fit as he played and scored today
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/round=276420/match=300338617/index.html
Is Comoros a real country? Sounds like a holiday package tour company.
Islands in the Indian Ocean. About 20 years ago (maybe more) a plane crash was captured on film there. I think it was a 737 cart-wheeling in the ocean on the approach.
If it's islands in the Indian Ocean, in about another 20 years they probably won't exist.
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You mean Tsunami wise?
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Global warming?
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Global warming?
Yes, rising seal levels.
Most of those small island nations will be in deep shit with a 1m. rise and gone with 1.5-2.0m.
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Global warming?
Yes, rising seal levels.
Most of those small island nations will be in deep shit with a 1m. rise and gone with 1.5-2.0m.
Ah, I see. Sunk by Seal shit. Who'd have thought it?
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Sounds an ideal place to go out clubbing.
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There is a player in Ayew. Positive, likes to have a go. He was never going to get much of a kick last week and maybe won't at the weekend, but against the sides that he can get at, he will be a great asset long term I reckon.
He also looks to me like the type that if we drop, will score a bucket load in the Championship.
Agree, though I'm not sure he is suited to the central striker role. From the bits I have seen of him so far, he looks very much like a confidence player. His head seems to go down very quickly if things don't happen for him, but on the flip side, he seems to get a real lift when things come off.
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Global warming?
Yes, rising seal levels.
Most of those small island nations will be in deep shit with a 1m. rise and gone with 1.5-2.0m.
Ah, I see. Sunk by Seal shit. Who'd have thought it?
They're never gonna survive unless they get a little crazy.
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well a night in with Heidi Klum would certainly drive me a little crazy - in a good kind of way
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Global warming?
Yes, rising seal levels.
West Brom fans will be gutted to read that our crowds will be going up.
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Edvard can probably lure them to an early death if you ask nicely!
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Edvard can probably lure them to an early death if you ask nicely!
**snigger**
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Sounds an ideal place to go out clubbing.
Club 18-30.......seals a day in our seal clubbing package holiday.
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Barstewards >:(
I'll leave it at that before I flip(per) out
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In amongst all the misery I'd like to say that I'm really starting to rate Jordan. His goals to starts ratio is pretty good, he's got definite talent and he works bloody hard.
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Agreed. But what a miss! Then again what a goal!
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Good player, not a central striker though.
I was wrong about him early on. He has good dribbling and strength and a decent long range shot.
We lack a goal poacher though, couple of occasions the ball dribbled along the 6 yard box and nobody gambled.
If Benteke was still here we'd have won yesterday. Just think how many times Gomes dropped the ball in the 6 yard box.
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Benteke would have put Gomes and the ball in the back of the net.
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Good player, not a central striker though.
I was wrong about him early on. He has good dribbling and strength and a decent long range shot.
We lack a goal poacher though, couple of occasions the ball dribbled along the 6 yard box and nobody gambled.
If Benteke was still here we'd have won yesterday. Just think how many times Gomes dropped the ball in the 6 yard box.
Agree with that. I've said it before, play him in a slightly wider role and he'll be more effective.
I liked him when I first saw him though. Some players just need time to settle.
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A shining light at the moment, he has the right attitude as well doesn't he.
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A shining light at the moment, he has the right attitude as well doesn't he.
Agreed. Also when he came he arrived with a reputation for having a chip on his shoulder but I've seen no evidence of that so far.
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A shining light at the moment, he has the right attitude as well doesn't he.
Agreed. Also when he came he arrived with a reputation for having a chip on his shoulder but I've seen no evidence of that so far.
He looks like he's going to cry after we lose every week, contrast that to some of the losers we have that just slink off the pitch as part of their end of the week routine. He looks a winner to me. One to help us rebuild, should he stay.
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I like him. He's got ability and a little bit of flair. We just need a good CF for him to play off. And he does seem to care. It seems to matter to him. Compare him to Gabby who's been here since he was in nappies (18??) who looks like he's waiting for someone to drag a vibrating recliner onto the pitch for him.
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In amongst all the misery I'd like to say that I'm really starting to rate Jordan. His goals to starts ratio is pretty good, he's got definite talent and he works bloody hard.
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He doesn't stop running. Great attitude, loads of energy and plenty of ability. He is very direct and always looking to make something happen, and he isn't afraid to miss chances.
After a very dodgy start, he looks like a good player. Not that it matters much at the moment.
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He really pissed me off yesterday. Here's why:
1. Spent a lot of the time adjusting his shorts, why?
2. Took his gloves off to tie his laces near the end of the game. Fair enough, I thought, he won't bother putting them back on, instead he'll get back in position and win the ball back. What did he do? He took ages putting his gloves back on.
3. Started something with Capoue in injury time which knocked about a minute off the clock.
4. Missed an absolute sitter.
Still, great goal and all that ::)
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In amongst all the misery I'd like to say that I'm really starting to rate Jordan. His goals to starts ratio is pretty good, he's got definite talent and he works bloody hard.
Yes I would agree with that Paul. A shining light in the darkness along with Veretout. Both of them deserve better support.
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I like the way he set the ball up with his left foot before shooting well with his right. He did the same with his goal for Ghana.
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In amongst all the misery I'd like to say that I'm really starting to rate Jordan. His goals to starts ratio is pretty good, he's got definite talent and he works bloody hard.
Jury still out for me, but he has shown ability in flashes. I think he would be more suited on the left, as he seems to be at his best cutting in on his right foot.
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He really pissed me off yesterday. Here's why:
1. Spent a lot of the time adjusting his shorts, why?
2. Took his gloves off to tie his laces near the end of the game. Fair enough, I thought, he won't bother putting them back on, instead he'll get back in position and win the ball back. What did he do? He took ages putting his gloves back on.
3. Started something with Capoue in injury time which knocked about a minute off the clock.
4. Missed an absolute sitter.
Still, great goal and all that ::)
Lee Mason really p***** me off about that incident. He should have booked both players but as Capoue had already been booked, he would have had to send him off. Just after, two players (I forgot who) got involved in an incident and he booked one from each side.
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But then Lee Mason is a shithouse ref.
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I like Ayew.
He's a better player than Weimann. He also looks like he cares and always puts a shift in.
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I like Ayew.
He's a better player than Weimann. He also looks like he cares and always puts a shift in.
Agree
Would like to see him and Adama in a front two, I like Sinclair but think he is wasted out wide
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Defence needs sorting badly, that really means putting Okore in till Jan along side who though? Richards we all know should be right back and who do we play at left back?
Demi's priority I guess.
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Oops wrong thread and a typo to, I can only blame this virus which caused me to miss the game on Saturday!
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Defence needs sorting badly, that really means putting Okore in till Jan along side who though? Richards we all know should be right back and who do we play at left back?
Demi's priority I guess.
I wonder if putting either Clark or Lescott and LB and bringing in another CH, Okore or someone else might stiffen us up?
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I think we need to take a look at Ilori in the defence. He seems to have a bit more maturity to his game than most of our other defenders, a bit of calmness in there would probably help us a lot. I think I'd leave Richards central with him for a bit of experience and then bring in Okore and Clark at fullbacks for now. It's not how I want to see us setup long term but we need to stop conceding soft goals from fullback and both Richardson and Hutton have been poor for that. Once Amavi is back if we can find a right sided player with similar drive we can build into the team I want but this season is all about survival and we're not going to score enough to counter conceding 2-3 every week so improving the defence is key right now.
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Defence needs sorting badly, that really means putting Okore in till Jan along side who though? Richards we all know should be right back and who do we play at left back?
Demi's priority I guess.
I wonder if putting either Clark or Lescott and LB and bringing in another CH, Okore or someone else might stiffen us up?
I think it would take a truck load of Viagra to stiffen us up at the moment.
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I think Lescott Okore Richards as a 3 needs to be tried.
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I think Lescott Okore Richards as a 3 needs to be tried.
...in a court of law for impersonating capable footballers, and fraud.
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Yes. Please!!
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I think Lescott Okore Richards as a 3 needs to be tried.
...in a court of law for impersonating capable footballers, and fraud.
i would play one of those shit light up reindeers before lescott
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I started to really like him when it clear to everyone how much losing hurt on the pitch after the Swansea game. He has steadily got better and better and today he was excellent. And what a stunning strike! A bit like Benteke vs Albion a few years back.
It's very possible that it has taken all of these French lads a few months to really understand the demands of the PL, but him Gana and Veretout are starting to look good. It's such a shame Amavi is injured as he would be very much a part of this conversation too.
Anyway, back to Ayew, he's clearly a wide player and if we had a proper goal scorer in the middle today we'd have won the game. He destroyed Collocini today.
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He is a shining light for me. That run he went on that got the corner that Gestede nearly scored from was brilliant. He works so hard for the team.
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I like him, too. His attitude is spot on.
If we get relegated, he's top of the list of players we need to keep.
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He's another example of being patient with new players, he was getting some right stick not too long ago. Sometimes players take time to settle so give them the chance.
And if you could bottle the attitude of Hutton and Ayew and give it every other player we'd have a much better chance of staying up.
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Hutton's crossing improved today.
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My new favourite player, magnificent second half even without the goal as he ran and ran and ran.
If more of our side had his spirit and quality we'd be out of the bottom 3 imo. He wouldn't have trouble finding another prem club next season. A shame we didn't sign him when Benteke was here as he does so much good work outside the box.
Today also showed he has to play as wide forward, central striker isn't his game and restricts him.
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Loved how he scored then just wanted to carry on to go for a win.
Doesn't stop running and was a constant menace in the second half just need more players around him.Gestede was good in the conditions today but I still feel he is too limited
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Has anyone heard the phrase "signed the wrong brother" lately?
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Has anyone heard the phrase "signed the wrong brother" lately?
Only from me as I have the Swansea one in my FL league team.
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Whatever happens we must keep him.
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My new favourite player, magnificent second half even without the goal as he ran and ran and ran.
If more of our side had his spirit and quality we'd be out of the bottom 3 imo. He wouldn't have trouble finding another prem club next season. A shame we didn't sign him when Benteke was here as he does so much good work outside the box.
Today also showed he has to play as wide forward, central striker isn't his game and restricts him.
this
him one side and traore the other, now what would make a back for work for their money
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If we had a decent forward with movement, he would get even better, tireless worker, deserves to be in a better team.
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I had an argument after Leicester away in the loo this guy said he was shit, I said he'd come good and he was excellent
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Top performance today. Funny how many people have been hitting out at our transfer policy in the summer and yet our best players this season have probably been the new recruits.
Even more so if you agree that it's fair to allow young players from overseas a couple of months to settle in.
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Top performance today. Funny how many people have been hitting out at our transfer policy in the summer and yet our best players this season have probably been the new recruits.
Even more so if you agree that it's fair to allow young players from overseas a couple of months to settle in.
If Sherwood hadn't chopped and changed the team every week, these players would have played themselves into form much more quickly. I am sick of the lazy punditry blaming our recruitment - Ayew and Veretout are by far and away our best players.
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Top performance today. Funny how many people have been hitting out at our transfer policy in the summer and yet our best players this season have probably been the new recruits.
Even more so if you agree that it's fair to allow young players from overseas a couple of months to settle in.
If Sherwood hadn't chopped and changed the team every week, these players would have played themselves into form much more quickly. I am sick of the lazy punditry blaming our recruitment - Ayew and Veretout are by far and away our best players.
Yeah I saw a comment the other day that said oh great more shit French players. I didn't even bother arguing. What can you say to stuff like that?
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Top performance today. Funny how many people have been hitting out at our transfer policy in the summer and yet our best players this season have probably been the new recruits.
Even more so if you agree that it's fair to allow young players from overseas a couple of months to settle in.
Yes and there are some who would prefer to pine for Gabby
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Top performance today. Funny how many people have been hitting out at our transfer policy in the summer and yet our best players this season have probably been the new recruits.
Even more so if you agree that it's fair to allow young players from overseas a couple of months to settle in.
If Sherwood hadn't chopped and changed the team every week, these players would have played themselves into form much more quickly. I am sick of the lazy punditry blaming our recruitment - Ayew and Veretout are by far and away our best players.
Yep and if he actually believed in the players that would have helped also. Given all that has been said and written you have to believe he didn't want any of them and all he wanted was bunch of his old Spurs mates and a few other English "lads". Cock.
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It is bloody annoying. Our best 3 players are Amavi, Veretout and Ayew, all three signed in the "disastrous summer". The summer was a disaster not because of who Reilly and Sherwood signed, but because of who they did not. The ones who have come have done well by and large. Richards, Veretout, Amavi, Ayew and Gana have all been decent. Even Lescott in the last couple of weeks has woken up. The issue is not convincing Adebayor and Cambiasso. Putting them into the side from day 1 we would have been very different in my opinion.
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Top performance today. Funny how many people have been hitting out at our transfer policy in the summer and yet our best players this season have probably been the new recruits.
Even more so if you agree that it's fair to allow young players from overseas a couple of months to settle in.
Yes and there are some who would prefer to pine for Gabby
If they do, I doubt it is in place of Ayew.
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I'm another big fan of Ayew. More than any other player, he looks fucking pissed off when we lose. Yesterday, he looked pissed off with a draw. He gives his all and he can play a bit too. Get some decent players around him, play him wide, and he'll get even better.
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Impressed with Ayew particularly because when he arrived I remember reading that he had an attitude problem. I've seen no evidence of that, and in fact he's one our most hardworking players.
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He does work hard and he looks like he cares. Shame the other players aren't on the same level.
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His passion was very clear after he had to be consoled by his brother post Swansea. The "problem" of our French, "Moneyball" summer signings was a premeditated and fabricated scenario by the media to spin Sherwood into another prominent post where they could keep wanking him.
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Top performance today. Funny how many people have been hitting out at our transfer policy in the summer and yet our best players this season have probably been the new recruits.
Even more so if you agree that it's fair to allow young players from overseas a couple of months to settle in.
Yes and there are some who would prefer to pine for Gabby
Those who pine for Gabby are not right mentally. Ayew is great-I've said it before, he reminds me of Savo a little bit. I haven't given up on this season yet, plenty of games to go. A win soon is crucial and I think we'll get it against West Ham.
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His passion was very clear after he had to be consoled by his brother post Swansea. The "problem" of our French, "Moneyball" summer signings was a premeditated and fabricated scenario by the media to spin Sherwood into another prominent post where they could keep wanking him.
Well put. And his comments suggested he didn't try to get to know them and work out a way to play with them, which says a lot about his character.
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He does work hard and he looks like he cares. Shame the other players aren't on the same level.
He chased back and harried their defenders throughout the game. Sinclair, by contrast, didn't.
And he was one of the few players who came over to us at the end of the game yesterday and showed his appreciation.
I reckon he's a bit of a gem.
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Did the players not applaud the away fans?
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Did the players not applaud the away fans?
On the TV ,I only saw Hutton walking over and clapping but someone said Ayew did too.
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Really like this guy. Some reports before signing him had him down as a kind of French Gabby, with a potential attitude problem. We've seen none of that so far and as for comparisons to Flabby, that is an injustice to Ayew's technical ability. He's got ability. He's not going to do it every game because if he did he'd be at a top side, but I have him down as a player like Carew, who will frustrate but create brilliant moments.
However, what Ayew also has in his locker is a bloody good work ethic and desire.
Frankly our Frenchies have been a rare bright spot. Veretout is coming along nicely. Gana is very industrious. We've not quite got the midfield balance right though, because I still think when you play a three of Sanchez, Gana and Veretout, you need Grealish or Gil playing at the top 3 to drift and try and pick through balls.
What's really letting us down though is the total lack of any inspirational premier league experienced players in our squad. There's no one who sets the bar and helps these lads settle in. We need someone reliable and solid who's been around the block. Someone who will help us gel and pick us up by the scruff of the neck when needs be. Richards is the closest to that, but until we play him at Right back, he's a defensive liability which supersedes any gumption he tends to show.
No one is inspired by Hutton, Lescott, Clark and most certainly not by a Westwood. As for Gabby, frankly he's been a disgrace in recent years.
What I wouldn't give for a Barry, or Taylor, or even a Southgate.
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I'm another big fan of Ayew. More than any other player, he looks fucking pissed off when we lose. Yesterday, he looked pissed off with a draw. He gives his all and he can play a bit too. Get some decent players around him, play him wide, and he'll get even better.
Look at his face after the game being interviewed by our Jack. Now part of it is because he's being interviewed by Jack, but he looks fucked off to be talking about his goal when we didn't win again. I love his attitude, and you can see that win, when it comes, will mean the world to him.
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He's also perfect for that wide forward role, and it's a shame he didn't arrive two years earlier when we were shoe horning Weimann and Agbonlahor into those positions every week. He will get 10 goals from out wide while still adding a lot to the team, if we had a central striker capable of scoring 15 then we would look pretty healthy up front.
Perhaps if we bring in a centre forward in January, stick Ayew on the left and the equally hard working Veretout to the right, we could afford to play either Gil or Grealish on the hole, particularly if we also managed to bring in a more mobile central midfield. We might be able to find the right balance of pace, guile and hard work finally.
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Really like this guy. Some reports before signing him had him down as a kind of French Gabby, with a potential attitude problem.
Funnily enough I saw my neighbour as I was dragging my hangover up our road. He asked me how Ayew was turning out. He was the one who told me Ayew was a bit of a character.
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He's also perfect for that wide forward role, and it's a shame he didn't arrive two years earlier when we were shoe horning Weimann and Agbonlahor into those positions every week. He will get 10 goals from out wide while still adding a lot to the team, if we had a central striker capable of scoring 15 then we would look pretty healthy up front.
Perhaps if we bring in a centre forward in January, stick Ayew on the left and the equally hard working Veretout to the right, we could afford to play either Gil or Grealish on the hole, particularly if we also managed to bring in a more mobile central midfield. We might be able to find the right balance of pace, guile and hard work finally.
Exactly, he's the type of forward we need to sign around that time rather thank Kozak even if the fees were a little different. It didn't take long that season for teams to start to work out how to play the quick front trio and predictably under Lambert there was no other forward with a different skill set.
Ayew and Benteke would've been excellent together.
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Go get the bugger back. The two of then together up top would keep us up.
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I hope he's an example for players like Grealish, Gil and Kozak who are struggling to get into the side. Garde has already challenged Grealish to work harder. There's no excuse for not putting in a shift and being fit enough for this league. Ayew is setting the bar as far as our attackers go. The others need to follow suit.
Too many of our players need to pull their fingers out.
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Will be gutting to see him in a Spurs shirt next season
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Why will he be in a Spurs shirt? Or anyone else's for that matter. How about ours? We really are a defeatist bunch sometimes. I suppose years of taking it in the rear can do that but it is very possible that they will all be back. QPR, Newcastle, Norwich, Hull etc. None of them encountered mass player departures and all of them have done well or come straight back up. There is no reason why we cannot do the same by holding on to our better players.
Relegation will be shit but we need to stay together as a club which I believe is part of the long term solution. Otherwise why would Garde have even joined? Would he have come if it was revealed to him he'd lose the core of his squad if we went down?
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Well said TV.
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I like his passion he played well yesterday you could see he cares for us by his reaction I think he will only get better.
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Go get the bugger back. The two of then together up top would keep us up.
I'm not beginning to entertain the implausibility of him returning, but why would Liverpool let him come back on loan. What would be in it for them? Sturridge is always injured so they're a striker light. Even if they bought someone in why release one of the main forwards and go back to being a striker light again because Sturridge breaks down after another 3 games?
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I think Ozz was just dreaming.
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Go get the bugger back. The two of then together up top would keep us up.
I'm not beginning to entertain the implausibility of him returning, by would Liverpool letting him come back on loan. What would be in it for them? Sturridge is always injured so they're a striker light. Even if they bought someone in why release one of the main forwards and go back to being a striker light again because Sturridge breaks down after another 3 games?
The only reason I can see it happening (and it almost certainly, definitely won't) is if Benteke really isn't getting a look in.
Let's say he barely plays in the next three or four games and we're into January - he's going to be pretty desperate to play (and play well) as he won't want to miss out on another tournament after being injured last time. If he asks to go out on loan, then if they're persisting with Firmino, Sturridge, Origi (and maybe somebody new) then they might be keen to not have him around the place.
There's probably no team Liverpool would feel less threatened by than us, so if he asks and they agree then we'd probably be high up the list of where they'd want him to go. The best form of his career was with us, so I don't think he'd be particularly desperate in going to somebody four or five places higher up the table.
Obviously it's not going happen though. Definitely.
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Go get the bugger back. The two of then together up top would keep us up.
I'm not beginning to entertain the implausibility of him returning ,but why would Liverpool let him come back on loan. What would be in it for them? Sturridge is always injured so they're a striker light. Even if they bought someone in why release one of the main forwards and go back to being a striker light again because Sturridge breaks down after another 3 games?
The only reason I can see it happening (and it almost certainly, definitely won't) is if Benteke really isn't getting a look in.
Let's say he barely plays in the next three or four games and we're into January - he's going to be pretty desperate to play (and play well) as he won't want to miss out on another tournament after being injured last time. If he asks to go out on loan, then if they're persisting with Firmino, Sturridge, Origi (and maybe somebody new) then they might be keen to not have him around the place.
There's probably no team Liverpool would feel less threatened by than us, so if he asks and they agree then we'd probably be high up the list of where they'd want him to go. The best form of his career was with us, so I don't think he'd be particularly desperate in going to somebody four or five places higher up the table.
Obviously it's not going happen though. Definitely.
You're right. Even the thought of it is definitely out.
But why would he even want to, should Liverpool think, 'Yeah, sod it, you can go if you want'? Going back to where you've had miserable faces and talk of relegation around the place. Or stay and fight for his place with a potentially top team (see what I did there?) and try and move his career on.
He's going to sign Jan 1st now, isn't he?
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But why would he even want to, should Liverpool think, 'Yeah, sod it, you can go if you want'? Going back to where you've had miserable faces and talk of relegation around the place. Or stay and fight for his place with a potentially top team (see what I did there?) and try and move his career on.
If it weren't the European Championships next summer then I'd definitely agree with you - but if he has the chance to go to a team that he knows and bang ten quick goals in, he's more likely to find himself in the starting line-up for Belgium, than if he's coming on for the last 15 minutes of every game for a bigger and better team.
But it definitely won't happen.
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But why would he even want to, should Liverpool think, 'Yeah, sod it, you can go if you want'? Going back to where you've had miserable faces and talk of relegation around the place. Or stay and fight for his place with a potentially top team (see what I did there?) and try and move his career on.
If it weren't the European Championships next summer then I'd definitely agree with you - but if he has the chance to go to a team that he knows and bang ten quick goals in, he's more likely to find himself in the starting line-up for Belgium, than if he's coming on for the last 15 minutes of every game for a bigger and better team.
But it definitely won't happen.
Well if it was to happen, but clearly won't, that is the question that Benteke will have to answer. Shall I go back to where I know and hopefully pop a few in and get some confidence, or stay with better players and hope I get the confidence and goals here?
Still, shame he won't be in that position to consider it any time soon. Definitely not January.
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But why would he even want to, should Liverpool think, 'Yeah, sod it, you can go if you want'? Going back to where you've had miserable faces and talk of relegation around the place. Or stay and fight for his place with a potentially top team (see what I did there?) and try and move his career on.
If it weren't the European Championships next summer then I'd definitely agree with you - but if he has the chance to go to a team that he knows and bang ten quick goals in, he's more likely to find himself in the starting line-up for Belgium, than if he's coming on for the last 15 minutes of every game for a bigger and better team.
But it definitely won't happen.
no it won't but he faces the real prospect of being a firm second choice to Lukaku right now at the Euros. This after having missed the last WC entirely. He didn't leave on bad terms (well nothing compares to how our former captain left that is), so if there is even a tiny opportunity we should blow the doors open to get him back.
But yes, in reality a complete pipe dream
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Definitely.
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Our favourite BBC local radio show have changed their tune about Ayew now I notice.....
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Our favourite BBC local radio show have changed their tune about Ayew now I notice.....
Let me guess: he's gone from being 'not good enough' to being 'too good for Villa'
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I like his passion he played well yesterday you could see he cares for us by his reaction I think he will only get better.
*ping*
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Our favourite BBC local radio show have changed their tune about Ayew now I notice.....
They aren't the only ones, read this thread for the first month or two of the season. My favourite is him being worse than Balaban.
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Our favourite BBC local radio show have changed their tune about Ayew now I notice.....
Would he get into the Walsall team?
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But is he as good as Rondon? Or Brown Ideye?
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Our favourite BBC local radio show have changed their tune about Ayew now I notice.....
Let me guess: he's gone from being 'not good enough' to being 'too good for Villa'
This
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He's pulling up his shorts much quicker for Franksy's liking now...
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He's done well but not really well enough yet. And I'm saying this as someone who was a supporter of Ayew from the time of his signing. We do tend to see some moments of very high quality from Ayew but then he rarely follows it up. Very much like a Vassell type player and he does need quality support next to him. But in our current predicament, and with the West ham game in mind, he has to follow up Newcastle with a 90 minute performance like that at Newcastle. And I'm saying this as a fan of his, I'm not sure that there's many of us who think he will do it.
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I think he's played pretty well over the last few weeks overall, so I'm fairly confident his level will be maintained.
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But is he as good as Rondon? Or Brown Ideye?
I've decided (it's taken me a while) that 'Franksey' doesn't really know a great deal about football. The majority of us on here would talk him under the table when it comes to the game itself.
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I wish he'd have a word in Scott Sinclair's ear about getting into a decent position to receive the ball, then doing something with it other than bumbling it to any member of the opposition who is nearby. And you are allowed to close opposition players down rather than just having a bit of a rest after you lost the ball...again!
Ayew worked his socks off on Saturday and fully deserves the plaudits he's getting for his goal and performance.
More please Jordan!
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Just seen the barcodes goal for the first time since the game and crikey it was well taken. For those saying he was young-gabby-esque when he came, that goal is irrefutable evidence to the contrary.
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Just seen the barcodes goal for the first time since the game and crikey it was well taken. For those saying he was young-gabby-esque when he came, that goal is irrefutable evidence to the contrary.
Not to mention he also scored a fine goal against Watford, not as good as the Newc one which will take some topping, but I don't think it got much mention because it was just a consolation goal.
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That's a bit special! The little fake he does to lose the man. I love it. More please!
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Who runs across the keeper in front of Gestede? Is it Westwood?
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I particularly like the Newcastle fan that misses the goal.
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I particularly like the Newcastle fan that misses the goal.
Yes, he's totally oblivious.
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I particularly like the Newcastle fan that misses the goal.
Yes, he's totally oblivious.
He still thinks tht they won 1-0.
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Who runs across the keeper in front of Gestede? Is it Westwood?
Lescott.
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It's the angle he takes the shot on, he's facing back up the pitch, ridiculous.
He has the ability to do some clever, unpredictable things. When that's coupled with the kind of workrate he's displayed, in a shit side, you start to think this kid could be a real star.
I read something his old man said when he was young, something about both him and his brother being good, but Jordan did things that really made him sit up.
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He had got some ability but his work rate is exceptional. I like how Garde had clearly fluffed him up confidence wise too.
Imagine him with better players around him.
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He had got some ability but his work rate is exceptional. I like how Garde had clearly fluffed him up confidence wise too.
Imagine him with better players around him.
Ironic that this is what Sherwood did last year with Cleverly/Delph and Benteke, yet seemingly had little appetite to do the same for Ayew/Vertout and Amavi this season as he had his own agenda.
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He had got some ability but his work rate is exceptional. I like how Garde had clearly fluffed him up confidence wise too.
Imagine him with better players around him.
you'll see that next season in the Premier League when he's playing for some other team
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Maybe so. I hope he gives us till January at least
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I think you will find that the Club brought people to the Club who undermined Sherwood, that is why his appetite waned.
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I really hope we keep all of those players we signed in the summer if we go down. They're young and one season, hopefully, in the Championship might not do them any harm.
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I think you will find that the Club brought people to the Club who undermined Sherwood, that is why his appetite waned.
Sherwood knew exactly what he was getting himself into, then when it materialised he started to flail and whinge.
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Monty. You hated him before he was even appointed.
Something changed at the Club.
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Which he signed up to. It's no good just saying I hated him when we appointed him (I did) - there's no evidence that Sherwood didn't have a veto on who we signed, that he was unhappy with signing them, that the new structure was a surprise to him, any of it. Only when it started to go south did he start casting about him for excuses, because it can never be the fault of Timmy Sherwood.
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Monty was one of the very few on here myself included who called Sherwood for the chancer he was. The dissing of the French players is one thing but Sherwood not only dissed them but presented his own alternative to them in the form of Spurs rejects.
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Sherwood at the time could easily through his contacts in media have let slip how he wasn't approving these transfers. He didn't and he even went as far as to say they were his signings.
From Aug 13, 2015
“It’s good that the club have backed me,” Sherwood said, reflecting on the club’s transfer business. “Change is what was needed. We’ve sold a lot of players, so we needed to replenish. And we brought in a lot of money, so the owner has not put that back into his pocket, he’s invested into the squad, which we’re all very excited about"
In many respects Villa feel like something of an unknown quantity this season. Micah Richards and Scott Sinclair, both of whom have joined from Manchester City, are well known to English football fans, but the same cannot be said for several others, including Idrissa Gueye (£9m, Lille), Jordan Veretout (£8m, Nantes), Jordan Ayew (£10m, Lorient) and Jordan Amavi (£7.7m, Nice), all of whom were playing in Ligue 1 in France
“Some of these foreign boys we’ve gone for are better than the English ones, they’ve played a lot more games at a very young age,” Sherwood said. “You look at the English boys, they’ve played five games and they cost the same amount as a guy who has played 200 games in Ligue 1. It doesn’t add up.”
When he was being found out as a manager that's when he claimed he didn't approve them, the lying fucking weasel.
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Look. You can't have it both ways. One minute he ostracized the French lads, the next he wanted them.
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I think you will find that the Club brought people to the Club who undermined Sherwood, that is why his appetite waned.
How much appetite he has doesn't change the fact that he is a hopeless mountebank who should never have had the chance to ruin the first third of this season.
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Why is it the same cronies get involved in here? Do you message each other?
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Why is it the same cronies get involved in here? Do you message each other?
I know, astonishing that lots of posters think he was shit.
It's almost as if he er.... was.
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Why is it the same cronies get involved in here? Do you message each other?
yes we are all in a clique
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Look. You can't have it both ways. One minute he ostracized the French lads, the next he wanted them.
He can have agreed to their signing and then handled them rubbishly. That's only happened, I don't know, thousands of times in football history.
Why is it the same cronies get involved in here? Do you message each other?
We have a network of hilltop beacons.
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Look. You can't have it both ways. One minute he ostracized the French lads, the next he wanted them.
Tell that to tactics Tim the thick bastard. He wanted them when they were signed and hadn't kicked a ball and then threw them under the bus when we were floundering because he was a shit chancer.
It's not rocket science with Dimbo, he tells everyone what he thinks they want to hear, always looking out for number 1.
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Why is it the same cronies get involved in here? Do you message each other?
yes we are all in a clique
We are the Borg, resistance is futile.
You can call me 9 of 11.
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Look. You can't have it both ways. One minute he ostracized the French lads, the next he wanted them.
Alternatively, if you look at it chronological order.
Players get signed. Nice but Tim senses a chance to look like some Wenger mk.II pulling all these unknown foreign players in. Makes a big scene as mentioned in Toronto's post to make sure everyone knows he's the brains behind it all.
Fast forward 2 months. It's all going down the shitter quicker than you can say narcissist. Cue all the shit about having players that he never wanted and who aren't good enough anyway.
All conveniently ignoring that the individual fuck-ups that were costing us were almost exclusively coming from existing players. The lie being further exposed by the fact that our better performers of late have been 2 of the 3 he was first to bin, the other being Amavi who no one on the planet could understand how he was dropped for Richardson.
EDIT:
There were plenty of us on here who called Sherwood the second he was rumoured to be Lambert's replacement.
Would get the players wound up enough to survive but at some point in the autumn we'd be talking about how long he'd got left.
That he exceeded even the most pessimistic predictions of how long he'd last and how much shit he'd leave us in says more than any diatribe could.
He deserved our thanks for keeping us up last year, although I'll remain convinced that any half competent relatively up beat manager could have done that.
The shit sandwich he's left us eating this season removes any goodwill.
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Look. You can't have it both ways. One minute he ostracized the French lads, the next he wanted them.
You can if you accept that Sherwood speaks bollocks most of the time.
His actions suggested that he did not rate the players or maybe was trying to prove a point by not playing them. The reason he heralded them when sign just demonstrates that the bloke is a chameleon more interested in himself and raising his own profile.
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Or as O'Neill put it "his brand".
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I think you will find that the Club brought people to the Club who undermined Sherwood, that is why his appetite waned.
Appetite waned! He was a manager of a football club, paid to manage the team, not dictate the future of the club. He put himself first and the club second which is unacceptable to me as a long term Villa fan.
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interestingly, Benteke has only scored one more goal in total this season than Ayew.
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Benteke and Ayew would have been a cracking forward line for us, I could see them linking up well.
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When we signed him it was reported that he was lazy with a bad attitude, granted it took him a couple of months to settle but I h aven't seen a player with a better work rate and attitude at Villa for a long time, I don't know what he was like in France to get the reputation but he has been the mirror opposite of what we were told, alot of natural ability too..... Very likeable and I hope we can hold onto him whatever division were in next season.
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Benteke and Ayew would have been a cracking forward line for us, I could see them linking up well.
Kozak and Ayew can be this.
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I wonder if someone still thinks he's worse than Balaban?
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That would have been done goal if Ayew could have finished off his run
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Look. You can't have it both ways. One minute he ostracized the French lads, the next he wanted them.
Alternatively, if you look at it chronological order.
Players get signed. Nice but Tim senses a chance to look like some Wenger mk.II pulling all these unknown foreign players in. Makes a big scene as mentioned in Toronto's post to make sure everyone knows he's the brains behind it all.
Fast forward 2 months. It's all going down the shitter quicker than you can say narcissist. Cue all the shit about having players that he never wanted and who aren't good enough anyway.
All conveniently ignoring that the individual fuck-ups that were costing us were almost exclusively coming from existing players. The lie being further exposed by the fact that our better performers of late have been 2 of the 3 he was first to bin, the other being Amavi who no one on the planet could understand how he was dropped for Richardson.
EDIT:
There were plenty of us on here who called Sherwood the second he was rumoured to be Lambert's replacement.
Would get the players wound up enough to survive but at some point in the autumn we'd be talking about how long he'd got left.
That he exceeded even the most pessimistic predictions of how long he'd last and how much shit he'd leave us in says more than any diatribe could.
He deserved our thanks for keeping us up last year, although I'll remain convinced that any half competent relatively up beat manager could have done that.
The shit sandwich he's left us eating this season removes any goodwill.
I could understand why Amavi was dropped. He was playing like a wuss, jumping out of challenges that cost us points against Palace, Baggies and I think one more. Young players can go through major form blips, it happens. Veretout was totally unfit at the start of the season and it took him some months to settle. Ditto Ayew, his Leicester appearance was so bad that he has shown serious character to come back from it. Traore has flopped so far, two assists but nothing to back up our investment in him so far. The failure of Richards, Lescott and Gestede is totally down to Timmy.
I was totally against Sherwood, the warning signs were there in the Southampton game where he sat in the dug out hardly making a change leaving the players to rot in front of him. A more wised up chairman would have got rid of him after he threw the players under the proverbial bus minutes after the Cup final. Tactics, man-management, coaching - he was appalling at all. Evidently our pre season camp must have been nothing short of calamitous considering the fitness levels of the players for most of the season.
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Someone mentioned on here recently that he's more a replacement for Weimann than Benteke, and if you look at it that way, he is definitely an upgrade.
It also makes a mockery of the assertion that it is these pesky Johnny Foreigner-types that are letting the side down.
Gabby and Lescott are local lads, but they have been atrocious for large chunks of the season.
Ayew plays like he actually cares, even if it is only for personal pride. If a 4/5 more of our lot had his drive and determination, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in.
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It's amazing how hard he works for the team and how seriously he takes it. Love him
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Ayew is the diamond on the cowpat of our season. I like him immensely. It has always been true of Villa fans, you don't have to be a world beater, but if you try your heart out for this club you'll be adored.
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He should have buried that 2nd half Chance he made for himself mind.
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He is ace, I love the way he plays the game.
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Would have loved to see Benteke and him up front, kind of Dalien and Deano reborn...:-)
He'll get better as well, as will Gana, Amavi and Veretout. I remain convinced that they are going to be very very good players....hopefully for Villa.
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He comes across as someone who really wants to do well for the team. I love his enthusiasm. He and Veretout are looking better with each game.
I don't want to get carried away but with a few more performances like last night we'll at least put up a fight for the rest of the season rather than the sorry excuse we have been.
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Perhaps we did get the right brother after all, last night he was superb.
Also, I love how genuinely devastated he looks every time he misses a chance.
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I thought all he needed was time when he signed and he's showing it now, he has real quality.
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He reminds me of Dwight Yorke, the way he glides past players, if the miracle is to happen though we need him to score a fair few goals between now and the end of the season.
For me he is looking a quality player.
Also loved it when he twisted and turned their left back so much that he fell over.
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He reminds me of Dwight Yorke, the way he glides past players, if the miracle is to happen though we need him to score a fair few goals between now and the end of the season.
For me he is looking a quality player.
Also loved it when he twisted and turned their left back so much that he fell over.
He was running their back line ragged all game. He's very good at getting himself a yard or two of space, even when surrounded by players, and firing away a shot.
The fact he was still able to go on that marauding run through their defence on 85 minutes, having ran all game, was astonishing.
There was also one moment he chased one of the Palace attacking players 50 yards when they were countering, and stole the ball off his toes and then set us on a counter. I just love the guy. He's easily my favourite player right now.
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the one highlight of this dreadful season. We need to keep hold of him.
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the one highlight of this dreadful season. We need to keep hold of him.
Sadly, we won't.
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He's got that lovely ability to beat a man, make space and leave defenders on their arse. If we can sign a decent goal scorer to help him it will make a big difference.
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the one highlight of this dreadful season. We need to keep hold of him.
Sadly, we won't.
Probably not if he keeps up his current form.
But if he keeps up his current form, in a world where Lewis Grabban costs £7m and Steven Naismith costs £8m we should be looking at a pretty massive profit.
Obviously I'd rather keep him than have the massive profit, but it's preferable to another Bent / N'Zogbia situation.
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Exactly. If Ayew goes we will be making decent money. Probably enough if spent wisely to build a promotion side.
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Or how about he is convinced to stay? Not every player wants to bail. And it's not like his international career is threatened by relegation. He's a very passionate player, you can see that in his face and this run has hurt him. I get the impression he might want to be a part of Garde's revival. If it doesn't go well we could sell him in January 2017.
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Ayew is the diamond on the cowpat of our season. I like him immensely. It has always been true of Villa fans, you don't have to be a world beater, but if you try your heart out for this club you'll be adored.
True. Remember Tommy Johnson ran so much he was sick! We loved him.
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Tommy Johnson's vomitting was nerves not through working hard. Not saying he didn't work hard.
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Tommy Johnson's vomitting was nerves not through working hard. Not saying he didn't work hard.
You're quite right. I do remember him working so hard he sometimes had to have a breather bending over with his hands on his knees though. Never seen another player do that
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Ayew is the diamond on the cowpat of our season. I like him immensely. It has always been true of Villa fans, you don't have to be a world beater, but if you try your heart out for this club you'll be adored.
Couldn't agree more with this post. Excellent effort again last night hard work combined with decent amount of talent. It's a shame he didn't keep his head down for that shot.
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Ayew is the diamond on the cowpat of our season. I like him immensely. It has always been true of Villa fans, you don't have to be a world beater, but if you try your heart out for this club you'll be adored.
Couldn't agree more with this post. Excellent effort again last night hard work combined with decent amount of talent. It's a shame he didn't keep his head down for that shot.
That would have been better than his goal against Newcastle had that gone in.
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Nice one Jordan.
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I won't crucify the bloke for it, because he'll have his manager and team-mates to do that for him. The worst possible moment to do what he did.
This is unrelated to tonight's antics, but if we get good money for him, I'd rather he went. I'm perversely looking forward to starting again and I don't rate him that highly.
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Stupid mistake, but I still like him.
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Immensely fucked off with him right now.
Once he's served his three match ban, he owes us, bigtime.
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Cracking elbow, thought he connected really well. Highlight of the game.
Bloody idiot. Why don't they just REALLY shoot each other in the foot beforehand.
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It was very very stupid but I think it's all down to frustration. It's not just us fans that get that way.
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For me, it makes no difference what Ayew has done or not done before tonight.
His fucking idiocy cost us any chance we had, just at a time when we were doing well. It wasn't a mistimed tackle or something done in the heat of battle. It was pathetic, absolutely fucking cowardly.
If Richards had done it, H&V would possibly have melted.
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What a brain dead twat, if this is his attitude when we are battling against all the odds, he can fuck off.
Cowardly in the extreme.
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Would you have told Benteke to "fuck off" after his sendings off too?
Ayew fucked up tonight but he's still easily our best attacker and anyone wanting him to fuck off is a maniac.
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Would you have told Benteke to "fuck off" after his sendings off too?
Ayew fucked up tonight but he's still easily our best attacker and anyone wanting him to fuck off is a maniac.
I agree. It was a moment of stupidity, but he's been a bright light in the most abysmal of seasons.
I personally think he'll be feeling awful about it-as he should. But after his ban, if he scores, what supporter wouldn't cheer his goals?
I'm emotionally drained due to another loss, have to go and teach at University now. Today's class will be especially difficult for the mocking Chelsea fans in it.....
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He was stupid, but our relegation is nothing to do with him.
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He was stupid, but our relegation is nothing to do with him.
1/38th of it is.
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Would you have told Benteke to "fuck off" after his sendings off too?
Ayew fucked up tonight but he's still easily our best attacker and anyone wanting him to fuck off is a maniac.
No comparison.
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You're right. Benteke did it twice to cost us games we were winning. Ayew has only done it once in a game we were drawing.
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It was very very stupid but I think it's all down to frustration.
Having watched it several times I'm convinced Cresswell gave him a girly skin pinch Italian style and he understandably got pissed off. He's been an accident waiting to happen all season. I'm just surprised it's taken until February for him to get a red card.
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You're right. Benteke did it twice to cost us games we were winning. Ayew has only done it once in a game we were drawing.
How many game winning performances has Ayew put in?
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Daily Heil is apparently claiming he told Garde he 'doesn't care' about the red card and that 'Aston Villa are finished.'
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It was very very stupid but I think it's all down to frustration.
Having watched it several times I'm convinced Cresswell gave him a girly skin pinch Italian style and he understandably got pissed off. He's been an accident waiting to happen all season. I'm just surprised it's taken until February for him to get a red card.
I made myself a drink and came back to hear the commentator talking about a senseless red card. Without finding out who it was my money was on either Ayew or Richards.
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It is not just tonight. Even somebody as thick as a professional footballer must know the importance of not copping bans at such a crucial time? If he gets a five match ban that will be a third of the games we have left or put another way Traore could easily be back before him. I really hope Remi Garde ripped into him big time. He deserves the mother of all bollockings.
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You're right. Benteke did it twice to cost us games we were winning. Ayew has only done it once in a game we were drawing.
How many game winning performances has Ayew put in?
None. Because we haven't had a good enough team around him to win many games.
Who do you think is more likely to produce a game winning performance... Ayew or our second best attacking player, ermmm... whoever that may be?
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Daily Heil is apparently claiming he told Garde he 'doesn't care' about the red card and that 'Aston Villa are finished.'
I would be wildly surprised if that was the case. But if anybody saw him boarding the coach cradling a broken nose, I'm willing to have an open mind.
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Daily Heil is apparently claiming he told Garde he 'doesn't care' about the red card and that 'Aston Villa are finished.'
Where? I just looked I can't see it?
If true I'd dock him 2 weeks wages
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You're right. Benteke did it twice to cost us games we were winning. Ayew has only done it once in a game we were drawing.
How many game winning performances has Ayew put in?
None. Because we haven't had a good enough team around him to win many games.
Who do you think is more likely to produce a game winning performance... Ayew or our second best attacking player, ermmm... whoever that may be?
Well he won't be putting in any game winning performances for a while will he?
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Daily Heil is apparently claiming he told Garde he 'doesn't care' about the red card and that 'Aston Villa are finished.'
I would be wildly surprised if that was the case. But if anybody saw him boarding the coach cradling a broken nose, I'm willing to have an open mind.
If there is a shred of truth in it, he can do one. Stick Traore up front when he is back. I hope it is not though.
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People say things in the heat of the moment, especially hot heads.
I often say I wish the Villa wold go bust, I still care though.
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You're right. Benteke did it twice to cost us games we were winning. Ayew has only done it once in a game we were drawing.
How many game winning performances has Ayew put in?
None. Because we haven't had a good enough team around him to win many games.
Who do you think is more likely to produce a game winning performance... Ayew or our second best attacking player, ermmm... whoever that may be?
Well he won't be putting in any game winning performances for a while will he?
It doesn't really matter as this season is as good as over. If he doesn't "fuck off" though, he'll probably provide our best chance of coming back up next year.
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Sorry, looks like it's a parody account. Doh!
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It was bloody stupid and really no excuse, however this season has hit rock bottom and after the events this week frustrations have crept through with Ayew I reckon.
Maybe he hoped for a decent partner up front? Maybe he feels the club is letting him down too?
I'm not trying to make excuses but it was a bit random wasn't it?
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It was bloody stupid and really no excuse, however this season has hit rock bottom and after the events this week frustrations have crept through with Ayew I reckon.
Maybe he hoped for a decent partner up front? Maybe he feels the club is letting him down too?
I'm not trying to make excuses but it was a bit random wasn't it?
He was fucked off with penalty decision and Billic had obviously told Cresswell to get close and needle him which he did with the old pro's trick of pinching his skin. This is quite common and the classic example is when you offer to help an opponent up and tweek their armpits.
If we had a striker coach with any nouse, Ayew would have been shown how to use the proximity of the defender to grind his heal into his toes or rake his shins with his studs accidentally on purpose while trying to spin off.
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Apparently Ayew told Garde that he doesn't care about the red card and that Villa are finished.
Classy guy, eh.
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Apparently Ayew told Garde that he doesn't care about the red card and that Villa are finished.
Classy guy, eh.
Where is that from?
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Apparently Ayew told Garde that he doesn't care about the red card and that Villa are finished.
Classy guy, eh.
That was a spoof Twitter account, SH.
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Apparently Ayew told Garde that he doesn't care about the red card and that Villa are finished.
Classy guy, eh.
Where is that from?
Daily Mail are tweeting it.
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Apparently Ayew told Garde that he doesn't care about the red card and that Villa are finished.
Classy guy, eh.
Where is that from?
Daily Mail are tweeting it.
Where?
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Apparently Ayew told Garde that he doesn't care about the red card and that Villa are finished.
Classy guy, eh.
Where is that from?
Daily Mail are tweeting it.
Where?
Here, this parody account:
https://twitter.com/MaiIFootball
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Apparently Ayew told Garde that he doesn't care about the red card and that Villa are finished.
Classy guy, eh.
That was a spoof Twitter account, SH.
Yes, you're right. Sorry!
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If there is one player that has given a shit all season it is Jordan Ayew. He let himself down tonight and given his effort over the season he could be excused for being massively fucked off with how everything has turned out.
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Ayew has been on the edge for weeks. He has been putting so much into the games and getting nothing out of them. Frustration got the better of him after yet another penalty decision goes against us. Players shouldn't lose their rag but it happens at times. He is a young player in a new league and he will learn from it, hopefully with Villa.
The sending off made the game far harder for us but nobody can say that we would have won if he had stayed on the pitch, just like if we had been awarded the penalty. He let his team mates, the manager and the supporters down and I am sure he knows that.
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He's young, he's frustrated and he wants to win and he made a momentary lapse of judgement in the face of provocation. I'll forgive him this.
Once.
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He's young, he's frustrated and he wants to win and he made a momentary lapse of judgement in the face of provocation. I'll forgive him this.
Once.
Quite. Naive and rash, yes. He'll learn.
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Stupid : YES
Coincidence that it happens the day after we get no reinforcements in to fight for our PL status : NO - clearly majorly frustrated and playing with the weight of expectation on his young, inexperienced shoulders (he is the only hope we have of scoring goals)
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Shit happens. He has looked frustrated for weeks and just lost it tonight. He will learn from it as he will know he has let the club down. I'm happy to forgive him if he comes back a bit wiser.
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It's a stupid mistake, but I'm sure he's aware of that. I'm happy to forgive and forget.
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He has made a pretty good apology on Twitter today. Fair play to him for fronting up and taking responsibility.
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He has made a pretty good apology on Twitter today. Fair play to him for fronting up and taking responsibility.
somebody tell him we will only forgive if he's here next season
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I will wait until I see how he and his agent behave in the summer before deciding whether to forgive ;-)
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He has made a pretty good apology on Twitter today. Fair play to him for fronting up and taking responsibility.
Annoying thing is he can't get out there on Saturday and make amends.
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Looking back at my impulsive actions last night I sincerely apologise to the supporters of Aston Villa, my teammates, AVFC staff and my coach.
I take full responsibility for my actions and I don't wish to dwell on my mistake but rather look forward to playing again to prove myself to be true to claret and blue as I have done from the moment I joined AVFC and I do not intend to slow down now.
To my fans and everyone I offended, I ask that you join me in moving on from this unfortunate situation as I continue to focus on my career and the success of the team. We fight till the end. Up The Villa!
Jordan
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He has made a pretty good apology on Twitter today. Fair play to him for fronting up and taking responsibility.
Annoying thing is he can't get out there on Saturday and make amends.
Indeed any attempt to even think about appealing it would be deemed frivolous!
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To be honest if I was out on the pitch for the Villa right now I'd be getting very frustrated and probably be pelting out some Dion Dublin specials. It was stupid from Ayew but I'm not gonna hold it against him too long, particularly given that since Garde took over, no one has worked harder than Ayew and he's one of the few players that seems to take these defeats to heart. It clearly matters to him. His reaction yesterday was foolish, no question, but you can't really fault his passion.
He's got to come back and produce the goods though. We need goals and he's not scored enough.
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Can you imagine being a very talented young professional footballer, and facing the prospect of 15+ games in front of hacked off fans, with relegation a certainty. And you're playing next to Agbonlahor. Not surprised cracks are showing.
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Maybe he fancied the rest of February off.
He has got some previous in France, including this:
http://www.espnfc.com/blog/the-toe-poke/65/post/1850510/111-seconds-of-doom-marseilles-jordan-ayew-subbed-on-in-73rd-min-booked-in-74th-min-sent-off-in-75th-min! (http://www.espnfc.com/blog/the-toe-poke/65/post/1850510/111-seconds-of-doom-marseilles-jordan-ayew-subbed-on-in-73rd-min-booked-in-74th-min-sent-off-in-75th-min!)
A shame as he's been about the only signing who's provided some positivity
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He's been the best of a bad lot, but that isn't saying much.
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He has been one of the few to show any emotion - remember him having to be consoled after the Swansea match? Looks like he is bothered. If someone pinched my neck I'd smack 'em ;-)
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To my fans...focus on my career...
Wanker.
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To my fans...focus on my career...
Wanker.
What's wrong with that statement (other than the way you have edited it)?
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twas only a bit of a bitch slap. Really don't know what all the fuss is about.
lerner on the other hand is a complete cock.
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There has been some criticism recently focusing on his lack of passing and not celebrating a goal. I thought yesterday that he was easily Man of the Match and his work rate, skill, willingness to take players on, goal assists, goal attempts, tackling back and winning the ball showed why he is going to be an integral part of any success we have in the future. I hope he now believes that he has players around him who will stick the ball in the back of the net and be happier for it. For sure, he doesn't 'do' celebrating- personally I couldn't care less- he is committed to the cause and a very good footballer.
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He is a sulky looking fucker but a good player and we have to stop slagging him off
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It's a bit odd he doesn't celebrate but it was good to see the other players going to him to congratulate him for his efforts.
I think he just doesn't like losing, which isn't a bad thing.
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the player cares , he does not want to lose . About time we had players like that .
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It's a bit odd he doesn't celebrate but it was good to see the other players going to him to congratulate him for his efforts.
I think he just doesn't like losing, which isn't a bad thing.
And for someone who doesn't like celebrating, it was a pretty massive hug and high-five with McCormack after his goal yesterday.
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Brilliant player, was the only positive thing from last season and continues to impress.
There is noway we gonna keep him if dont go up this season.
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Finishing aside he was brilliant yesterday. When he starts scoring he will be devastating.
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The ayew not smiling thing is the domestic equivalent to the 'England players not singing the national anthem'
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I get the feeling he's a goal away from destroying this league. He's just quality.
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I get the feeling he's a goal away from destroying this league. He's just quality.
He's far and away our best player. It doesn't always come off for him and he's probably trying a bit too hard to pull the team along single handed but I think you're right. He just needs a couple of goals at the moment and he'll be finding things less of a trial by fire.
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That effort that hit the post today was just class.
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Ayew is by far the best player in the division. When he plays well ,like in the later stages in todays game, we are unplayable however....
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That effort that hit the post today was just class.
At that point we were huffing and puffing and looking a little clueless (as per normal to be fair). He regularly this season has looked like the only player with any invention and drive. And whilst he's incredibly frustrating sometimes, in others he's brilliant. If we give him something to smile about he'll start playing even better. I'd love to see Ayew playing in a side that's winning because I think there's gonna be another level to him (and a few others to be fair) that we just haven't seen.
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Ayew is by far the best player in the division. When he plays well ,like in the later stages in todays game, we are unplayable however....
fine second half today but needs his consistency of performance needs to improve
also a goal or two would help matters, none in 10 league games
his best position is wide though, left or right. no more up top
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This was pointed out when he joined. Can be brilliant in phases but is prone to petulance, surliness and indiscipline i.e. moody. He reminds me of Savo.
Benitez said something about the transformation in the game along the lines of "they started dribbling", which Ayew, Kodija and Amavi, not to mention the absent Grealish, all have in their locker.
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On the way back to the car we got chatting to two Newcastle fans who asked us if he'd come on as a sub at halftime. Thought they were taking the piss at first but it was genuine. Both said they'd love him in their side.
If only he could do it for 90 minutes he'd be some player.
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To be honest if the rest of the team can turn up for 90 mins 45 mins of quality from Ayew will do.
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20 minutes of Ayew at his best would be enough to nobble the vast majority of teams in this division (and a fair few in the top flight).
He just needs a solid support cast behind him to ensure those blinding spells actually make a difference.
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If we want some consistency from him we really should put him on the left of a front 3 with a solid 3 in midfield behind him and let him do his thing. that's the point where he's hurt teams but too often we're putting him on the other side or asking him to come deeper and defend or generally getting him to do stuff which means he isn't in the spaces where he hurts teams. I get that players defending back and helping out is useful but when you're stymieing your best attacking threat by getting him to do donkey work it really doesn't help.
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If he could do it for 90 minutes most games he wouldn't be a Villa player.
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To be honest if the rest of the team can turn up for 90 mins 45 mins of quality from Ayew will do.
I'd settle for 15 minutes from some of them at the moment.
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If he could do it for 90 minutes most games he wouldn't be a Villa player.
Precisely.
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If we want some consistency from him we really should put him on the left of a front 3 with a solid 3 in midfield behind him and let him do his thing. that's the point where he's hurt teams but too often we're putting him on the other side or asking him to come deeper and defend or generally getting him to do stuff which means he isn't in the spaces where he hurts teams. I get that players defending back and helping out is useful but when you're stymieing your best attacking threat by getting him to do donkey work it really doesn't help.
Agree Paul. That seems to be the position where he is most effective.
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He's one of those players who needs winding up a bit - he was one of the main catalysts for revival today; he grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck and others followed.
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Had a great second half but anonymous in the first. What really hacked me off was seeing Kodjia on the right
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Had a great second half but anonymous in the first. What really hacked me off was seeing Kodjia on the right
That was when he did all of his best work so I'm not sure why people are so upset about this
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Had a great second half but anonymous in the first. What really hacked me off was seeing Kodjia on the right
That was when he did all of his best work so I'm not sure why people are so upset about this
I was going to mention that. He looks more effective out wide and I know we didn't buy him to play there but every now and again he'll do a job there like he did yesterday. I don't see the problem either.
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Yeah, the switch in formation mean that he and ayew were really exploiting pockets of space and putting their full backs on the back foot rather than given them all the time in the world
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He almost single handedly dragged us back into the game. Yes, his face looks like he's moaning and fans think we should sell him but I think he actually hates us being shit and has exactly the right attitude moving forward.
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There's no science behind this, but after playing well for a number of games and conceding late on, it felt part of the narrative that we'd go on to get results due to late exploits
Similarly, I reckon ayew will shortly go on a goal scoring glut
He's the most talented player in this division I think
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Fans think we should sell him? I don't think that's the consensus.
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Had the misfortune to be in the Dough Ellis for the Brentford game.
Quite a few of the Moaning Minnies around me said they would get rid.
Must be all this attacking flair we have bee blessed with these past five years, we can afford to give someone like that up.
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The mail have given him the same rating as Jedinak and Westwood for the game on Saturday
I honestly think I'm watching a different sport from some people sometimes
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Easily our most gifted player. I like him very much and I really hope he and Kodja hit it off as a pair. He just needs to be a bit more of a team player and curb the "I'm too good for this league" attitude....which he actually is.
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In full flow Jordan Ayew is a fantastic player to watch.
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Don't know if anyone else has mentioned it but he was the one who was telling Elphick, Jedinak et al to gtf in the box and cause some mayhem before he took the free kick...and they all responded and did exactly that. He's a special talent and like so many players that are so gifted we won't be seeing it for 90 minutes...but a few moments of brilliance can turn games.
He had the Newcastle defence cacking its pants for the last 15 minutes.
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For a variety of reasons, I didn't make it to the game yesterday. But listening on the wireless, it sounded like he was waging a one-man war against them for the last twenty minutes.
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Jordan Ayew is superb. To think of selling him madness. He can beat players at will and the goals will start to flow soon. He's closely followed by Kodjia - perhaps the same people will to be rid of him soon? Bizarre.....
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Good good player when he gets going , its getting him going that appears to at issue.
He has bags of skill if a bit selfish and by far our most skillful player in the squad.
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He is an excellent player. Pretty unlucky not to have scored a few goals this season but I'm sure it will come. And yes, there were a fair few people suggesting we sell him earlier in this thread (or the transfer thread I can't recall).
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Good good player when he gets going , its getting him going that appears to at issue.
He has bags of skill if a bit selfish and by far our most skillful player in the squad.
My old man can't stand him, he thinks he's a sulker and plays for himself not the team. I have tried to convince him how good he is and that his body language is frustration but at nearly 80 his opinions are pretty firmly entrenched. It might be that he doesn't go to games anymore so is only seeing him on the box that gives him that opinion.
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I love him, I love the fact he sulks and throws tantrums and is never happy either with himself or the inadequacies of his team mates. He's a superb dribbler and inside forward and too good for this league. He's going to bend one in the top corner from 30 yards in the last minute at an away game soon, I can't wait.
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Good good player when he gets going , its getting him going that appears to at issue.
He has bags of skill if a bit selfish and by far our most skillful player in the squad.
My old man can't stand him, he thinks he's a sulker and plays for himself not the team. I have tried to convince him how good he is and that his body language is frustration but at nearly 80 his opinions are pretty firmly entrenched. It might be that he doesn't go to games anymore so is only seeing him on the box that gives him that opinion.
In the first half he was awful, petulant and sulking, not wanting the ball and Amavi was totally confused with him in front of him as Ayew just kept on getting in the way!
However in the last 30 minutes of the second half he came to life and proved what an important player he could be to Villa, as he was superb.
In a decent PL side he would have been substituted way before he decided to actually start to play, he has to learn to play for 90 minutes and for the team!
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It is a fact that when Ayew is focussed and not being silly we dominate other teams. When he is behaving badly we struggle. So either he needs to apply himself better for longer periods or we do without him.
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Trouble is I don't think he's capable of applying himself for more than a percentage of any particular game ; if he were, he would be playing for a top six club.
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It is a fact that when Ayew is focussed and not being silly we dominate other teams. When he is behaving badly we struggle. So either he needs to apply himself better for longer periods or we do without him.
Just because he can't carry the team for a whole 90 minutes doesn't mean we should do without him. It is for the other 10 players to contribute too is it not?
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The way he's started the season if he starts chipping in with a few goals you could see a Premier League side coming in for him in January. He shines like a lighthouse in this division.
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Jordan Ayew is the best player in this league,
I think a lot of his frustration comes from playing alongside numpties
I don't want him to leave but he really could be playing at a higher level
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It is a fact that when Ayew is focussed and not being silly we dominate other teams. When he is behaving badly we struggle. So either he needs to apply himself better for longer periods or we do without him.
Just because he can't carry the team for a whole 90 minutes doesn't mean we should do without him. It is for the other 10 players to contribute too is it not?
I agree with Chris. The one thing I would like Ayew to do more of is to look to play the killer ball when he's on one of his runs. It's the final ball that is so often lacking when Villa are looking dangerous.
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Jordan Ayew is the best player in this league,
I think a lot of his frustration comes from playing alongside numpties
I don't want him to leave but he really could be playing at a higher level
I have a horrible, nagging feeling he will be away in Jan.
Ably abetted by numpties spamming Dr Tone about how he doesn't look happy enough playing for the club.
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Admittedly I've only seen him at home, but in those 5 games he's put together 2 halves of good performance. Ok he's hit the woodwork but hasn't scored in 10.
That sort of form doesn't even make him the best player in the Villa team let alone this 'best player in the division' stuff.
If anyone wants to buy him January I'd happily cash in as it might at least allow us to balance the midfield.
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Admittedly I've only seen him at home, but in those 5 games he's put together 2 halves of good performance. Ok he's hit the woodwork but hasn't scored in 10.
That sort of form doesn't even make him the best player in the Villa team let alone this 'best player in the division' stuff.
If anyone wants to buy him January I'd happily cash in as it might at least allow us to balance the midfield.
You don't balance your midfield or indeed progress generally by selling your best player.
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Like I said, he's not our best player.
Yet, even if he was, there's nothing to say you couldn't improve your overall team by selling him.
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If anyone wants to buy him January I'd happily cash in as it might at least allow us to balance the midfield.
Absolutely. We should make it a policy to always get rid of our skillful or unpredictable players. This isn't some sort of entertainment business.
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Like I said, he's not our best player.
Yet, even if he was, there's nothing to say you couldn't improve your overall team by selling him.
Well it has worked for us in the past, so why not.
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You're right.
All the excitement we've had in recent times got me confused.
Maybe now's a good time to make it a results business.
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I think I fell in love with Ayew away at the geordies last Christmas, when he scored a belter and put in an incredible shift in exactly the sort of conditions (driving rain, freezing cold) that a player like him is supposed to shirk away from.
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Not only that, but I am sure at one point in that game he was physically dragging Sanchez into position to defend a corner and dishing out the bollockings to the rest of his teammates who were half asleep.
The closest thing we had to an actual captain last year.
He'll do for me. Don't care how miserable he looks.
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Ayew is the heartbeat of the dressing room. The one who actually took last season personally and dragged out slightly better performances from others to ensure we didn't go down on single figures points.
Wishing him away? You would have to be crackers. He might look sulky, he might be pissed off with his team mates, he might have a complex about his big brothers achievements. But don't ever confuse the moody face for a lack of interest in being here or putting a shift in.
With all the talk of the "captains" we signed this summer, he is still revered in the dressing room to the point all those senior pro captains will follow his lead.
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Ayew is the heartbeat of the dressing room. The one who actually took last season personally and dragged out slightly better performances from others to ensure we didn't go down on single figures points.
Wishing him away? You would have to be crackers. He might look sulky, he might be pissed off with his team mates, he might have a complex about his big brothers achievements. But don't ever confuse the moody face for a lack of interest in being here or putting a shift in.
With all the talk of the "captains" we signed this summer, he is still revered in the dressing room to the point all those senior pro captains will follow his lead.
Two points.
I don't think anyone is wishing him away, just pointing out that he's not the Messiah (and not just a naughty boy either) and if good offers came in then it would be option to cash in.
Secondly, how do we actually know the bits in bold?
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Ayew is the heartbeat of the dressing room. The one who actually took last season personally and dragged out slightly better performances from others to ensure we didn't go down on single figures points.
Wishing him away? You would have to be crackers. He might look sulky, he might be pissed off with his team mates, he might have a complex about his big brothers achievements. But don't ever confuse the moody face for a lack of interest in being here or putting a shift in.
With all the talk of the "captains" we signed this summer, he is still revered in the dressing room to the point all those senior pro captains will follow his lead.
I went to quite a few matches the second half of the season where I came away thinking there was only one player actually trying,
If every player had put a shift in the same as Ayew last season we might have stayed up
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Tom Fox told me shortly before his demise if you will accept the name dropping!
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I think Ayew is our most talented player and he is one who's attitude I wish most of the squad would adopt. You don't go mental for scoring a goal, you celebrate when you actually win games. He is great.
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He might look sulky, he might be pissed off with his team mates, he might have a complex about his big brothers achievements.
Not sure it's that. But having two other brothers playing professional football and having Abedi Pele for a dad is probably equally cursed and blessed.
Unlike a lot of young footballers, he probably didn't want for much growing up. So the next big contract isn't likely to kill his motivation.
But footballers always talk and compare, and his dad probably knows a shambles of a club when he sees one, so there is a degree of pressure that other players might not get.
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Ayew is the heartbeat of the dressing room. The one who actually took last season personally and dragged out slightly better performances from others to ensure we didn't go down on single figures points.
Wishing him away? You would have to be crackers. He might look sulky, he might be pissed off with his team mates, he might have a complex about his big brothers achievements. But don't ever confuse the moody face for a lack of interest in being here or putting a shift in.
With all the talk of the "captains" we signed this summer, he is still revered in the dressing room to the point all those senior pro captains will follow his lead.
It is for those reasons that I think he might be tempted away in January.
Like Delph (even gueye) - I know they're not popular but - if you're better than the players around you AND you're putting in more effort it is not unreasonable to think you career would be better served away from that club.
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If there's little or no chance of promotion by the end of January, it wouldn't surprise if he asks for a move.
Why does that twat Gregg Evans in the mail keeping making wise cracks about Ayews face/expression, fuck me he's a fine one to talk about that has he looked in the mirror lately.
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Frankly Ayew's facial expression is probably in line with what most of us look like when Villa are playing.
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Frankly Ayew's facial expression is probably in line with what most of us look like when Villa are playing.
It is amazing how people judge others on their expressions - maybe he takes his profession seriously and doesn't feel the need to go around with a vapid grin plastered on his fizzog! Remember when everyone berated Flabby for laughing whenever he cocked up a scoring chance? I won't even start with what Bacuna went through because of his smiley demeanour. Sir Brian used to be quite restrained in his goal celebrations at times I seem to recall...
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Tom Fox told me shortly before his demise if you will accept the name dropping!
The name dropping is fine it's the source of the info that's the problem. If Tom Fox told me today was Friday I'd check the calendar!
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Ayew is excellent. Total top boi, as the youngsters say. (I think?)
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Frankly Ayew's facial expression is probably in line with what most of us look like when Villa are playing.
I've said the same many a time. If I was black I'd look like his twin brother about 10 minutes after kick off.
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It's only as far back as the forest and Bristol games that quite a few people were saying he contributes nothing and should be dropped
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Quote from: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 28, 2016, 01:45:03 PM
Ayew scores and again we don't win!! Thats 13+ months I've been waiting for him to have a positive impact on games with goals. The guy's a jinx (unless we're losing a game and he comes on as a sub, scores and manages to earn us a draw I personally can't see his worth). I was expecting an equaliser from Barnsley after Ayew scored because that is what I've come to expect.
Wow. Still coming in fact. I've not seen a better payer in this league personally. I think he's going to go on a bit of a scoring run now
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Ayew is excellent. Total top boi, as the youngsters say. (I think?)
Bwai.
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He'll be gone in January if we aren't contending for at minimum a playoff spot.
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Agree with that, especially if he's scored a few more in the process. Too good for this league.
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Wouldn't be ideal, of course, but if we do have to sell him in January, spending the money we get for him on a proper midfielder, in terms of marginal benefit, would be absolutely massive for us.
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Think he was one of the better players today which isn't saying much. But he just wasn't getting any support, and the movement around him was terrible. We did well to hold onto him in the summer but I do wonder how much longer he will stay.
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He is actually a very very decent player. And knows it. His play isn't cut out for championship and would thrive in the more free flowing attacking teams higher up in prem. It's a case of playing him or McCormack in my view as way he drifts in will and has taken up Ross space. I have to say his corner delivery very decent as is his skills. Where he falls down is his lack of vision and inability to score - unlike his brother. I think McCormack and him aren't suited and can't play together it's one or other. McCormack is a captain whilst ayew is an enigma . The guy is fantastic but I think he's not right. He's also has interesting attitude and petulant however has shown fight continuously for the cause with some pride and stood out last season and even this. It's a real dilemma and only a good one to have if sitting pretty polly at top of top 4 prem or top 6championship. The reason it not good as there is no way- ayew McCormack kodja adomah and grealish can all play at same time .
Rdm needs to also play him up top or off the front man not on the wings same with kodja or McCormack . He's a number 10 as is grealish and McCormack. Herein problem lies
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I can see how his style is a bit out of sorts for this league. Then again I think if you get the right system and tactics to work to his strengths then I still think he would be a very effective player for us. But that just isn't happening right now.
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I can see how his style is a bit out of sorts for this league. Then again I think if you get the right system and tactics to work to his strengths then I still think he would be a very effective player for us. But that just isn't happening right now.
And still fit in McCormack ?? It's one or the other for me
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I can see how his style is a bit out of sorts for this league. Then again I think if you get the right system and tactics to work to his strengths then I still think he would be a very effective player for us. But that just isn't happening right now.
And still fit in McCormack ?? It's one or the other for me
i agree footy, I think we have some good players but not the right mix.
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No I think we can play Ayew just off the strikers or maybe out wide sometimes. Think its workable myself. I see him and McCormack as different sorts of players.
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Like others have said, really good proven Championship players have come to us and look like they have never seen a football in their lives. That has to be down to the way they are being 'managed'.
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Wow. Still coming in fact. I've not seen a better payer in this league personally. I think he's going to go on a bit of a scoring run now
I saw 11 players better than him yesterday playing for lowly Preston. One or two flashes a game hidden in 80 minutes of meh doesn't make him good.
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We certainly don't have a manager clever enough to fit him in to the team. Doesn't work hard enough of be involved enough in general. 3-4 dribbles per game of which none normally lead to a goal. January get shot, take the £10m+ and use to buy a player that we can fit in to the team shape (when we decide whether or not we have one).
Don't get me wrong, I quite like his skills, but as a team player in this division it's a no from me.
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The usual: picked an injury playing for Ghana and a doubt for the Wolves game....there's a surprise.
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The usual: picked an injury playing for Ghana and a doubt for the Wolves game....there's a surprise.
I think it'll be interesting to see how we get on without him to be honest.
Could well be a blessing in disguise
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The usual: picked an injury playing for Ghana and a doubt for the Wolves game....there's a surprise.
I think it'll be interesting to see how we get on without him to be honest.
Could well be a blessing in disguise
I think this is it . He will be behind in selection process to McCormack for the number 10 role now . i feel he is a luxry player and McCormack and grealish are too so his injury means can put out a team without him and see where the land lies
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Yep, fucking great news our best player is injured.
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You couldn't make it up could you? We lose a player that can turn a game and people see it as a good thing. It's right up there with 'where do we go when Bruce gets us promoted?'
Bonkers.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting it's a good thing, more like an enforced change might work out better and click.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting it's a good thing, more like an enforced change might work out better and click.
That.
Stops us trying to fit too many strikers in the team, often out of position. We have an embarrassment of riches there, but picking too many leaves us short everywhere else. Plus I don't think he anything near the best player, all fart no shit. Would have him below Kodjia, McCormack and Gestede for a place up front, and behind Adomah and Grealish as wide midfielders.
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The usual: picked an injury playing for Ghana and a doubt for the Wolves game....there's a surprise.
I think it'll be interesting to see how we get on without him to be honest.
Could well be a blessing in disguise
I think this is it . He will be behind in selection process to McCormack for the number 10 role now . i feel he is a luxry player and McCormack and grealish are too so his injury means can put out a team without him and see where the land lies
Yes I thought exactly the same the other day about Barca playing Neymar, Messi and Suarez upfront. I thought why play so many luxury players it's just not right.
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Sorry- haven't read all the posts but I thought Ayew was suspended for the Wolves game after picking up 5 bookings. Highly likely I am wrong I hasten to add
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The usual: picked an injury playing for Ghana and a doubt for the Wolves game....there's a surprise.
I think it'll be interesting to see how we get on without him to be honest.
Could well be a blessing in disguise
I think this is it . He will be behind in selection process to McCormack for the number 10 role now . i feel he is a luxry player and McCormack and grealish are too so his injury means can put out a team without him and see where the land lies
Yes I thought exactly the same the other day about Barca playing Neymar, Messi and Suarez upfront. I thought why play so many luxury players it's just not right.
So you're watching Barcelona now eh? Turncoat.
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So you're watching Barcelona now eh? Turncoat.
I was just doing a study of their style as someone said Bruce doesn't exactly play Barcelona type football.
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Sorry- haven't read all the posts but I thought Ayew was suspended for the Wolves game after picking up 5 bookings. Highly likely I am wrong I hasten to add
Tish is suspended v Wolves.
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So you're watching Barcelona now eh? Turncoat.
I was just doing a study of their style as someone said Bruce doesn't exactly play Barcelona type football.
The way we have been going I'd be happy with 1983 Barcelona type football. Nobody would roll us over without consequences.
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I think Ayew is on 4 yellows. Quite a few are on 3 or 4.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting it's a good thing, more like an enforced change might work out better and click.
That.
Stops us trying to fit too many strikers in the team, often out of position. We have an embarrassment of riches there, but picking too many leaves us short everywhere else. Plus I don't think he anything near the best player, all fart no shit. Would have him below Kodjia, McCormack and Gestede for a place up front, and behind Adomah and Grealish as wide midfielders.
He's not a striker who plays through the middle, he's a wide forward. Jack, the way he's played, is basically a shittier version of him because he's slower and somehow manages to take an even longer amount of time to make a decision as to what to do with the ball. Adomah's still just settling in.
Ayew is way down the list of reasons why we're shit.
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Ayew being out is not good news
Did anyone watch the Newcastle and forest games?
Jesus
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Ayew being out is not good news
Did anyone watch the Newcastle and forest games?
Jesus
Were they the ones when he played in the 2nd half?
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Ayew being out is not good news
Did anyone watch the Newcastle and forest games?
Jesus
Were they the ones when he played in the 2nd half?
... for 20 minutes!
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I'm pretty sure I read that Ayew was player of the month for the whole league in September, based on the Opta stats thing. Top for assists and creating chances (I think the call them 'key passes'). I appreciate that he's very frustrating to watch at times, and seems incredibly petulant, but I'd build the team around him every week. The last year and a bit have been so difficult to watch, but he's the only player that has tried to make things happen every week, despite the crap players and tactics he's had to work around. And he looks like he cares as much as I do. Play him and Ross or Jack behind Kodjia, with a proper 3 man midfield behind them and we'll be fine. RDM's failure to do so is what cost him his job, in my opinion.
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Yep. Unbelievable how opinions are so polarised on this. I love him and he would be first name on my team sheet.
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Ayew out? Tish out? oh good...the hits just keep on rolling...
How come Westwood never gets crocked?..Answer on a postcard please....
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Ayew out? Tish out? oh good...the hits just keep on rolling...
How come Westwood never gets crocked?..Answer on a postcard please....
Because he does fuck all, how are you going to get injured in your mid twenties jogging around rolling 10 yard passes about?
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Ayew out? Tish out? oh good...the hits just keep on rolling...
How come Westwood never gets crocked?..Answer on a postcard please....
If there was a brick wall built in the middle of the pitch Westwood could get a wrist sprain if he was standing too close whilst pointing ...so it could happen.
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Ayew being out is not good news
Did anyone watch the Newcastle and forest games?
Jesus
Were they the ones when he played in the 2nd half?
... for 20 minutes!
Yeah, cos all our other attacking options have been ripping it up.
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Ayew is comfortably our best player. Getting rid of him would be like the Jimi Hendrix Experience thinking they'd do better without Jimi Hendrix.
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Where is everyone on Ayew now? I don't think I've been as frustrated by a player, sometimes I think he is the best player in this squad / division but he never seems to be able to put 2 good games together - in the summer I would have taken any good offer for him & for what he has contributed thus far to this season I still would take cash & run.
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I'd sell him in January.
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Ayew is comfortably our best player. Getting rid of him would be like the Jimi Hendrix Experience thinking they'd do better without Jimi Hendrix.
I'd say Kodjia is better than Ayew.
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Ayew is comfortably our best player. Getting rid of him would be like the Jimi Hendrix Experience thinking they'd do better without Jimi Hendrix.
I'd say Kodjia is better than Ayew.
That's a little unfair. At the time that was written we'd not seen much from Kodjia and Ayew had been the player who was looking to make tings happen for us.
I still think both of them play as more inside forwards than out and out strikers is the way to go.
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Ayew is comfortably our best player. Getting rid of him would be like the Jimi Hendrix Experience thinking they'd do better without Jimi Hendrix.
I'd say Kodjia is better than Ayew.
That's a little unfair. At the time that was written we'd not seen much from Kodjia and Ayew had been the player who was looking to make tings happen for us.
I still think both of them play as more inside forwards than out and out strikers is the way to go.
To be honest, I didn't notice the date the original post was written, so fair enough.
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Ayew should be one of the best players in this division, he should be dominating games. However considering the standard of opposition he's playing against I think he's been crap.
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One of the few that you look at in our squad who -if we make it back to the top flight- wouldn't require an instant upgrade.
But there is more going on to this one than meets the eye. Marseille came in with a late bid in August and he was apparently close to going. I wonder if that is still affecting him. Not saying he isn't trying, but he seems distracted or not fully with it.
Being benched whilst Gabby or Gestede start can't have helped his self respect either. I'd be happy to see him stay at least until the end of the season. But if by the end of the next window he has gone and we have signed a central midfielder worthy of the name, I won't be heartbroken.
I can see Benitez going in for him. It's the type of shitbag move he would try to pull to well and truly knobble us. Topflight club or French club comes in for him = OK. Treble chinned Fact Controller = NO K
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Ayew should be one of the best players in this division, he should be dominating games. However considering the standard of opposition he's playing against I think he's been crap.
Have to agree, he's been disappointing.
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he'll end up at west ham.
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he'll end up at west ham.
Why, what's he done wrong?
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I like Ayew but I wish he'd find a pass sooner. I think he tries to do too much, but considering the vacancies in our midfield, I can't blame him for that. He's still one of the few players we have that gets me excited for what will happen when he has it.
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What is Ayews best position? I don't think it's any role he's played this season and certainly doesn't seem to be as a wide player. He can't play right up top. It's difficult and he is our best player, and he should be pissing this league, but I just don't think he fits into our style or system. He didn't last season really. He hasn't under 5 managers. Occasional moments of individual brilliance are exciting but he's got to show more consistency. That is difficult when he's not playing in position. But that's the disadvantage of a player like Jordan who seems the sort a system needs to be built around, whereas I don't think he can easily fit into a system that's more about the unit than an individual.
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What is Ayews best position? I don't think it's any role he's played this season and certainly doesn't seem to be as a wide player. He can't play right up top. It's difficult and he is our best player, and he should be pissing this league, but I just don't think he fits into our style or system. He didn't last season really. He hasn't under 5 managers. Occasional moments of individual brilliance are exciting but he's got to show more consistency. That is difficult when he's not playing in position. But that's the disadvantage of a player like Jordan who seems the sort a system needs to be built around, whereas I don't think he can easily fit into a system that's more about the unit than an individual.
We have a few of them. Along with Ayew, I'd add McCormack, Grealish, even Kodiga to the list of players that do not easily fit into a system, unless we're ambitiously planning on employing a fluid arsenal style game-plan.
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Moody
Piss poor decision making
Selfish
Neither goal maker or taker
The fact no one knows what is his best position (several managers not just Bruce) to my mind means he does not excel anywhere on the pitch - and that is evident other than 5 minute cameos occasionally when he feels like it
Lots of potential but would rip off anyone's hands if we could get what we paid for him - but I doubt it as he has not done anything to warrant it
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What is Ayews best position? I don't think it's any role he's played this season and certainly doesn't seem to be as a wide player. He can't play right up top. It's difficult and he is our best player, and he should be pissing this league, but I just don't think he fits into our style or system. He didn't last season really. He hasn't under 5 managers. Occasional moments of individual brilliance are exciting but he's got to show more consistency. That is difficult when he's not playing in position. But that's the disadvantage of a player like Jordan who seems the sort a system needs to be built around, whereas I don't think he can easily fit into a system that's more about the unit than an individual.
His best position, like a lot of forwards from the french leagues, is an inside forward/wing forward. They're positions that don't exist in a 442 so you don't get many British players who are suited to but Martial is the same, Henry was the same, Kodjia is the same. In English football they get pigeon holed into a striker or a winger but the best position is actually in between those 2, playing in the channel between full back and central defender. Done well it's really effective, Messi, Ronaldo, Bale and Naymar all play in the same area although clearly at a higher level.
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What is Ayews best position? I don't think it's any role he's played this season and certainly doesn't seem to be as a wide player. He can't play right up top. It's difficult and he is our best player, and he should be pissing this league, but I just don't think he fits into our style or system. He didn't last season really. He hasn't under 5 managers. Occasional moments of individual brilliance are exciting but he's got to show more consistency. That is difficult when he's not playing in position. But that's the disadvantage of a player like Jordan who seems the sort a system needs to be built around, whereas I don't think he can easily fit into a system that's more about the unit than an individual.
His best position, like a lot of forwards from the french leagues, is an inside forward/wing forward. They're positions that don't exist in a 442 so you don't get many British players who are suited to but Martial is the same, Henry was the same, Kodjia is the same. In English football they get pigeon holed into a striker or a winger but the best position is actually in between those 2, playing in the channel between full back and central defender. Done well it's really effective, Messi, Ronaldo, Bale and Naymar all play in the same area although clearly at a higher level.
agree, its also easier to play this typeof player in leagues where they get some protection from ref.
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Crap output from him this season, 4 or 5 sparks but all in all not enough contribution in a shite league.
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Ayew should be one of the best players in this division, he should be dominating games. However considering the standard of opposition he's playing against I think he's been crap.
You can't argue with that, hugely disappointing to me, seems to be not totally focused or disinterested, take your pick!
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He should be ripping this shit league a new one but hasnt
moody and greedy on the ball id fuck him off in jan while we can still get some half decent money
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What is Ayews best position? I don't think it's any role he's played this season and certainly doesn't seem to be as a wide player. He can't play right up top. It's difficult and he is our best player, and he should be pissing this league, but I just don't think he fits into our style or system. He didn't last season really. He hasn't under 5 managers. Occasional moments of individual brilliance are exciting but he's got to show more consistency. That is difficult when he's not playing in position. But that's the disadvantage of a player like Jordan who seems the sort a system needs to be built around, whereas I don't think he can easily fit into a system that's more about the unit than an individual.
His best position, like a lot of forwards from the french leagues, is an inside forward/wing forward. They're positions that don't exist in a 442 so you don't get many British players who are suited to but Martial is the same, Henry was the same, Kodjia is the same. In English football they get pigeon holed into a striker or a winger but the best position is actually in between those 2, playing in the channel between full back and central defender. Done well it's really effective, Messi, Ronaldo, Bale and Naymar all play in the same area although clearly at a higher level.
He would be helped a great deal by the ball being played through the midfield quicker and more central. Our build up play is too pedestrian.
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He's the one player we have I feel confident can do anything when he has the ball. But it can be exasperating how he'll often take the wrong option. I still think he should be a starter as there's a lot of talent there but as has been said, his end product needs to be better and more consistent.
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He should be ripping this shit league a new one but hasnt
moody and greedy on the ball id fuck him off in jan while we can still get some half decent money
Agree. If a decent offer came in, I would sell as well and bring in a wide left option.
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Perhaps a tad harsh but what I've seen this season he's reminded me of N'Zogbia.
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He needs a few good games. I thought he was awful v Cardiff, his attitude was all wrong and unless he was carrying a knock I can see why he was dropped.
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He's not as much of a blind alley merchant as Zog and is also more of a goal threat. Can't imagine Charlie scoring that goal at Barnsley or breaking the crossbar in half against Forest.
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Perhaps a tad harsh but what I've seen this season he's reminded me of N'Zogbia.
yes I agree, Zog on a good day. He is frustrating but still one of our most dangerous players and I would have him in the team
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Our midfield doesn't create enough of anything and I think Ayew often drops deeper than he should to try and enginner something. That probably compromises him in terms of being around the box to score. It's often Ayew who injects some zip into our play and grabs the game with his runs.
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Our midfield doesn't create enough of anything and I think Ayew often drops deeper than he should to try and enginner something. That probably compromises him in terms of being around the box to score. It's often Ayew who injects some zip into our play and grabs the game with his runs.
Yep, he suffers from doing the right things in the wrong areas of the pitch. When he came on against leeds there were a couple of times that he picked the ball up near the edge of our box 2 yards in front of the defence with Jedinak offering him a forward pass. Ayew has no place being in those areas of the pitch but if we insist on playing him as a wide midfielder with a need to track back he'll end up there far more often than he should.
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Agree with this. When him and Grealish came on against Brighton, they looked like they'd tear their defence apart every time.
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As I Mom used to say "he's got a face like a smacked arse"
Allegedly
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For me He Starts
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I think we are better without him
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He's simply not very good.
End of.
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End of.
Except it's not, is it?
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People who finish statements with 'end of' are annoying as shit.
End of.
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Fact!!
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I don't think that anybody doubts that Ayew has ability but it is all about his demeanour!
To me he just doesn't look happy, never seems to actually enjoy playing (except perhaps in very, very short bursts).
We need players who actually want to be here and play for the jersey, if he doesn't just get rid, I certainly won't lose any sleep!
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I don't think that anybody doubts that Ayew has ability but it is all about his demeanour!
To me he just doesn't look happy, never seems to actually enjoy playing (except perhaps in very, very short bursts).
We need players who actually want to be here and play for the jersey, if he doesn't just get rid, I certainly won't lose any sleep!
I bet Ashley Westwood wants to be here.
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I don't think that anybody doubts that Ayew has ability but it is all about his demeanour!
To me he just doesn't look happy, never seems to actually enjoy playing (except perhaps in very, very short bursts).
We need players who actually want to be here and play for the jersey, if he doesn't just get rid, I certainly won't lose any sleep!
I do.
Start of.
Middle of.
End of.
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People who finish statements with 'end of' are annoying as shit.
End of.
What's annoying about shit?
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People who finish statements with 'end of' are annoying as shit.
End of.
What's annoying about shit?
Very annoying if you do it in your trousers whilst on the bus going to work.
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People who finish statements with 'end of' are annoying as shit.
End of.
What's annoying about shit?
It stinks, for a start. And that statement is one of the few worthy of being closed with an 'end of'.
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It needs to be a tate mentioned we can all get behind, such as Villa wins are brilliant. End of. Or, blow jobs are ace. End of.
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It needs to be a tate mentioned we can all get behind, such as Villa wins are brilliant. End of. Or, blow jobs are ace. End of.
The last statement has grey areas, depending on which party you are. Or if it's Esther Rantzen offering.
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People who finish statements with 'end of' are annoying as shit.
End of.
What's annoying about shit?
Very annoying if you do it in your trousers whilst on the bus going to work.
Not again Dave...
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Unfortunately yes Peter, All our insurance renewals arrive at this time of year.
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Unfortunately yes Peter, All our insurance renewals arrive at this time of year.
Are your trousers covered outside of the house Dave?
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New for old. 😊
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Unfortunately yes Peter, All our insurance renewals arrive at this time of year.
Are your trousers covered outside of the house Dave?
Sounds like they're covered wherever he happens to be at the time.
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I don't think that anybody doubts that Ayew has ability but it is all about his demeanour!
To me he just doesn't look happy, never seems to actually enjoy playing (except perhaps in very, very short bursts).
We need players who actually want to be here and play for the jersey, if he doesn't just get rid, I certainly won't lose any sleep!
That's one of the reasons I quite like him, being a bit stroppy and mardy arsed!
However your error there is thinking that equates to not caring....look at his performances last year for us over xmas-January when plenty had already given up.
Even this season for the majority of games I think his effort has been fine. My disappointed is how few goals he's scored. For someone who scored 7 in one of the worst ever top flight teams in memory he really should be capable of 15 goals at this level and he's way short of that.
As to his role in the team...I do think SB has a valid belief that him and Grealish in the same starting 11 is a bit unbalanced. I thought that when watching both at Preston so can understand why he rotates and tends to leave one out for the other.
Where I don't agree is leaving them both out for more workmanlike players. That was an error at Leeds where we created little.
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Sounds like they're covered wherever he happens to be at the time.
But only because he has turd party, fire and theft :o
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I think chap is not being totally professional. He thinks he can stroll through the games and he will be better than anyone else. He has bad attitude and is letting us down at the moment and not doing himself any favours.
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I think chap is not being totally professional. He thinks he can stroll through the games and he will be better than anyone else. He has bad attitude and is letting us down at the moment and not doing himself any favours.
If we can get a decent offer in January, I would take it and look to bring in a natural wide left player.
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Ayew will be no great loss whether he just off to the ACN or sold.
He should be dominating games in this league but he just holds onto the ball. When he does pass, it's just as likely to be to an opponent.
Bags of talent but it just doesn't work
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Ayew should be one of the best players in this division, he should be dominating games. However considering the standard of opposition he's playing against I think he's been crap.
Nothing today changed the above imo. If we get a decent offer in Jan i'd get rid.
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One nil up , three minutes to go , see the game out ? Ayew casually gave the ball away to Wigan 3 times I think.A very talented player but really feckin annoying with it
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Ayew should be one of the best players in this division, he should be dominating games. However considering the standard of opposition he's playing against I think he's been crap.
Nothing today changed the above imo. If we get a decent offer in Jan i'd get rid.
Agreed.
His face and his shorts are growing longer as the days grow shorter.
As some wit bellowed out in P6 today: "Am them lung shorts or short lungs?".
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Ayew should be one of the best players in this division, he should be dominating games. However considering the standard of opposition he's playing against I think he's been crap.
Nothing today changed the above imo. If we get a decent offer in Jan i'd get rid.
I agree. As hard as he sometimes works, he just gives the ball away far too much and doesn't really have much affect at the other end of the pitch. I'm actually surprised he stayed on for the whole game.
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Ayew should be one of the best players in this division, he should be dominating games. However considering the standard of opposition he's playing against I think he's been crap.
Nothing today changed the above imo. If we get a decent offer in Jan i'd get rid.
I agree. As hard as he sometimes works, he just gives the ball away far too much and doesn't really have much affect at the other end of the pitch. I'm actually surprised he stayed for the whole game.
Agree with the above posts.
Let him go in January
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In my view he contributes little to the team and it's the team that's all important. Heard someone say yesterday, he's not being played in his best position. What is his best position? Yesterday he played in 3 different forward positions and was poor in all 3. I would prefer a fit McCormack all day long to Ayew. The best I've seen Ayew play was as a sub against scum. One good performance in 16 months is not good enough and especially now we're supposed to be at a level beneath his so-called ability.
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Personally, I'd persevere with him until the end of the season and give the management time to get his head right to their way of thinking. If there's no improvement in his perceived lack of attitude then, move him on. He's not a bad player.
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The best I've seen Ayew play was as a sub against scum. One good performance in 16 months is not good enough and especially now we're supposed to be at a level beneath his so-called ability.
He was really good against Forest, which I would say is our best performance of the season.
It depends what's on offer in January. If somebody comes along with a bid of £10m (which I wouldn't expect anyone to), then I'd not really have an issue with cutting our losses. But getting rid of him for the sake of getting rid of him doesn't really seem necessary to me.
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In my view he contributes little to the team and it's the team that's all important. Heard someone say yesterday, he's not being played in his best position. What is his best position? Yesterday he played in 3 different forward positions and was poor in all 3. I would prefer a fit McCormack all day long to Ayew. The best I've seen Ayew play was as a sub against scum. One good performance in 16 months is not good enough and especially now we're supposed to be at a level beneath his so-called ability.
He had loads of great games during the middle part of last season, he was out best hope during that period. I remember really good performances at home to West Ham and Palace for starters. He also scored some fantastic goals that show he has a lot of ability (Newcastle and Watford away for example).
That said, I am really disappointed in him this season, I'm not sure what the problem is. I don't think he sulks, that's just his demeanour, but I really expected him to score 12-15 goals from the wide forward position today and look a cut above but he hasn't come close. Very disappointing and he's rapidly running out of credit in the bank.
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To be fair his best position is just off the front man or leading the line himself but running the channels. I'm not sure he's played in his favourde position all season as RDM seemed to keep buying players for the same role leaving Ayew isolated. I think he could be half decent but only if we give him a role up top. I think him playing there with Kodjia wide would give him the best chance of showing more. Running the channels and opening up space for the liks of Adomah, Jack, Kodjia - and more importantly for his Villa career, mcCormack. He'd thrive in that set-up.
It would mean a Delph like midfielder though to compliment jedinak.
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He clearly has talent, and was easily our best forward last season, although that's not saying much. He doesn't quite fit into our current forward line, but who does? We still haven't found a system that really works yet, and I think Ayew is one of the more frustrated ones. He needs managing, not turfing out at a knockdown price.
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I agree. The reaction nowadays is always "get rid".
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I don't think anyone is suggesting selling him for a couple of million just to be rid of him.
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He clearly has talent, and was easily our best forward last season, although that's not saying much. He doesn't quite fit into our current forward line, but who does? We still haven't found a system that really works yet, and I think Ayew is one of the more frustrated ones. He needs managing, not turfing out at a knockdown price.
Agree. Selling one of your more talented players is bonkers imho.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting selling him for a couple of million just to be rid of him.
He's not firing on all cylinders, and he's going to be away in Africa, so if we do 'get rid' who will come in for him and how much would they be prepared to pay? It won't be anywhere near the £8m we paid for him, so it would most likely be a knockdown price. I'd suggest we see how his confidence improves after the ACN, meanwhile shape our midfield and attack properly, and keep working with him. There's a player in there.
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You need players who can do something out of nothing. Like Grealish yesterday, Ayew has that capability. You need that quality as an advantage over the rest in this league.
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Sometimes players don't work out. I would sell.
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One of our better and more skilful players. Just needs a word in his ear about his decision making and he'd be something special.
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Sometimes players don't work out. I would sell.
Ayew was our best player last season. Madness to sell him now.
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Judge how much (if any) we miss him when he goes to the ANC!
I very much we will miss him at all and I think we will improve for the fact but we shall see.
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I do think that our build up play is too slow for Ayew.
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We should try him in central midfield. He works hard and knows how to beat people. It could be the most inspired move since Milner switched to the centre. Or it might be shite! But as we have loads of forwards, and the only downside would be having to go without the talents of Gardner or Westwood while we tried it out, I'd be willing to risk it.
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We should try him in central midfield. He works hard and knows how to beat people. It could be the most inspired move since Milner switched to the centre. Or it might be shite! But as we have loads of forwards, and the only downside would be having to go without the talents of Gardner or Westwood while we tried it out, I'd be willing to risk it.
it's not a bad idea actually, I always thought J P A would have made a great midfield playmaker
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We should try him in central midfield. He works hard and knows how to beat people. It could be the most inspired move since Milner switched to the centre. Or it might be shite! But as we have loads of forwards, and the only downside would be having to go without the talents of Gardner or Westwood while we tried it out, I'd be willing to risk it.
it's not a bad idea actually, I always thought J P A would have made a great midfield playmaker
Cant imagine Ayew would like it, I imagine he would take it like a a kick in the teeth.
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I can't help but think if he doesn't like it if Bruce wanted to try that then he should have scored more than 3 goals in 30+ league in games in 2016.
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Awful again.
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I'm not a big fan but I thought he worked really hard tonight and you can kind of see why Bruce picks him. He's not doing what we brought him for though.
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I like him but he needs dropping for a bit. He's clearly extremely low on confidence and whilst dropping him isn't going to solve that we can't carry a totally ineffective player.
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9 goals in 50 odd appearances for the club and throw in a diabolical attitude to boot
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Not this "diabolical attitude" rubbish again. He might not have played brilliantly but he never hides from the ball or doesn't try. I see nothing wrong with his attitude. His form is worrying though.
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I think his attitude is part of his problem. Whilst I don't think he lacks effort he clearly thinks he's something he's not. He gives me the impression that he thinks he's so much better than everyone else and shows a clear reluctance to pass and involve other players.
It's either that or he is just a really shit footballer
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Jordan Ayew...fuck him off
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What benefit is he to the team?
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Himself, Grealish and Amavi frustrate me the most because they're all technically gifted yet their decision-making and final ball let's them down so often after they've done the hard work of evading challenges and creating space for themselves.
I guess some of that can be levelled at the lack of options when they do have the ball but at times, when an easy outlet is available, like Grealish for Amavi early on last night, it goes behind the player or to an opponent. You just think, ''Fuck sake, you have the talent but are you screwing-up on purpose or just brainless?''
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I don't know what he adds to the team. Striker? winger? number 10 in the hole? No one seems to know. He's a luxury we can't afford in this league. Sell in Jan and replace.
I don't recall a good game he's had.
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I don't know what he adds to the team. Striker? winger? number 10 in the hole? No one seems to know. He's a luxury we can't afford in this league. Sell in Jan and replace.
I don't recall a good game he's had.
Seriously? Our best player last year and for much of the start of this season too and you don't recall one good game?
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You'll need to remind me of one this season
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You'll need to remind me of one this season
Derby and Forest, motm in both those games on the right wing
no form to speak of in ages though, run with the ball until he loses it despite better options being available to pass to in many cases
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He also turned the game against Newcastle. Clark and co. were shitting it as soon as he started driving at them in the last 20 minutes.
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I don't think he was that good against Derby or Forest but would have to agree he was excellent in the 20 minute spell against Newcastle.
The biggest problem with him as far as I'm concerned is that I see a performance like that against Newcastle and think that he should be able to turn in performances far better than he has this season and more consistently, the fact that he doesn't leads me to believe that it was a one off and he isn't that good or he has an attitude problem. Personally I don't think he's a any good
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Last night he looked like a kid who's just been told that Christmas has been cancelled. I fully expect him to be gone as soon as January rolls around.
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He should be the stand out player every game.
The fact that he is not tells you everything about his attitude.
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We probably have about half a dozen players who are capable of pissing over this league, none are doing so on a regular basis (Kodjia is the closest candidate). Only Ayew seems to get this "bad attitude" nonsense. Is it really because he doesn't go round grinning from ear to ear like an imbecile all the time? I can't get it.
If he had a bad attitude, he'd have stamped his feet and forced a move in the Summer.
I'd say his biggest problem at the moment is that he's trying too hard, constantly trying to beat three or four players when a more straightforward pass is available. If we had a surrounding midfield with any ability whatsoever, it may help him immensely.
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Ayew sums up the problem at Villa, for some reason we have players who are not playing to their ability if they were we would not be losing games. This is not a recent problem this has been going on for years, players come to Villa after success at their previous club only to deteriorate shortly afterwards, have not got a clue why but their does seem to be a pattern. Kodjia has lost some of his sparkle the last few games Ayew was our only ray of hope last season, he is a shadow of that player this season, Gestede scored bucket loads in the championship before and he didn't do that by being a statue.
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If he has got attitude problems, then I suggest it's a result of him being frustrated that he's not doing as well as he expected in a lower league.
This season he (and we) are finding out that possibly being the best of a very bad lot last season doesn't equate to being a good player.
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Only Ayew seems to get this "bad attitude" nonsense. Is it really because he doesn't go round grinning from ear to ear like an imbecile all the time? I can't get it.
Don't forget though, that's also the sign of a terrible attitude (see Bacuna, L).
We should probably issue a standardised guide so that players know exactly what facial expressions are allowed.
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Only Ayew seems to get this "bad attitude" nonsense. Is it really because he doesn't go round grinning from ear to ear like an imbecile all the time? I can't get it.
Don't forget though, that's also the sign of a terrible attitude (see Bacuna, L).
We should probably issue a standardised guide so that players know exactly what facial expressions are allowed.
Could I please request "quietly determined" interspersed with exactly 30 seconds of delight upon scoring a goal?
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I don't know what he adds to the team. Striker? winger? number 10 in the hole? No one seems to know. He's a luxury we can't afford in this league. Sell in Jan and replace.
I don't recall a good game he's had.
Seriously? Our best player last year and for much of the start of this season too and you don't recall one good game?
When does 20 minutes count as a good game. Played well for 20 against Newcastle and we got a draw, but not a 90 minute player for us. Too selfish and loses the ball too often. He has skill and talent but not showing with u s consistently enough and he'd be the player I'd drop in order to solidify the midfield. Just my opinion!
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Black Stars striker Jordan Ayew is being courted by French Ligue 1 side Saint Etienne over a potential transfer but talks between the two parties have been hampered by the player’s unwillingness to miss-out on AFCON 2017 in January.
La Gazette des Transferts have published an article in their monthly newspaper claiming AS Saint-Etienne are interested in signing the Aston Villa forward in January when AFCON 2017 will be taking place in Gabon.
They state the player, the Villains and Saint-Etienne are already in discussions over a potential move, but that one specific demand from the Ligue 1 side is slowing down any transfer away from Villa Park.
Ayew, who is allegedly keen to leave the Midlands in order to bounce back at a higher level, is unwilling to agree with ASSE’s request of him missing the African Cup of Nations in January, with Ghana likely to call him up to their squad for the competition.
The forward, who prefers to play through the middle, has been used mostly on the wings by Aston Villa this season, which has led to the player’s goalscoring output to drop, scoring only two goals in 17 appearances so far this season. The 25-year-old has scored 10 goals in 54 appearances for the club since his £10m move from Lorient during the summer of 2015.
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Regardless of his ability (when he actually shows it) I think the balance of the team goes to complete shit when he's in the team. We can't carry him. We're better off putting a carthorse who'll work hard out on the left instead. That said we need to sign the fucker first.
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From InsideFutbol.
Amavi appeared to have batted away talk of a move to France last month, but it seems the Frenchman has not closed the door on a transfer to Marseille in the winter window.
According to French sports daily Equipe, Marseille sporting director, Andoni Zubizarreta, met the player's representatives twice in recent days to discuss a proposed move away from Villa Park.
"Amavi is believed to be eyeing a winter move and it has been suggested that even two Premier League clubs are in the chase for his signature in January despite him saying that he wants to stay at Villa last month.
Marseille are set to meet the player'rsquo;s representatives again in the next few days to discuss the figures of a deal that could take Amavi back to France in the winter transfer window.
Amavi joined Aston Villa from Nice in 2015 and was part of the team that finished bottom of the Premier League last season.
He has emerged as a key player in their quest to return to the top tier this term and has a contract until 2020 with the Villans.
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Can these clubs fcuk right off and put in acceptable bids before unsettling our players?
Dolly telling the press that Beattie wanted to join us aside, we've been good as gold in our transfer deals over the centuries. Leeds even gave us a gold star for how we behaved in negotiating the Delph deal.
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Much more like it yesterday. Made a big contribution for the goal. Made one cock-up, giving a free-kick away, but more than made up for it with a last-ditch goal-saving tackle.
Hope he can continue to make an impact for us (regardless of facial expressions 😉).
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I've see enough of Ayew now to say quite categorically he's fucking bobbins.
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I've see enough of Ayew now to say quite categorically he's fucking bobbins.
Needs to play through the middle or not at all
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I've see enough of Ayew now to say quite categorically he's fucking bobbins.
I said this after his pitiful "effort" at Bristol City. He's a really decent player who should be streets ahead of the opposition in this league. He isn't.
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Ayew should be one of the best players in this division, he should be dominating games. However considering the standard of opposition he's playing against I think he's been crap.
Still seen nothing to change my mind. No idea what's up with him as he has the talent to be shredding this league but is doing very little.
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He's only really looked good when he's came on as a sub for the last 20 minutes, flatters to decieve whenever he has started in this division.
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Ayew should be one of the best players in this division, he should be dominating games. However considering the standard of opposition he's playing against I think he's been crap.
Still seen nothing to change my mind. No idea what's up with him as he has the talent to be shredding this league but is doing very little.
This, all day long. I don't know what the guy offers. Player swap if possible with a willing buyer. Won't be missed when he goes to the AFCON tourny.
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Another to cash in on, just isn't a team player.
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Another to cash in on, just isn't a team player.
I wouldn't sell him. We've got strength in depth up front and late substitutions have got us out of a pickle on more than one occasion this season. Sell that strength in depth and we'll be weaker.
We need a midfield of this club, and that should be our number one priority in January.
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Obviously this goes completely against what most people see, but I thought he was one of our better players today. Which admittedly isn't saying much. I really don't understand why he's played as a left-sided midfielder though; as far as I'm aware he's never played there before in his career. It'd be interesting to see how he'd do up front with Rudy or Kodjia but he never seems to get a look in there. I suppose when you only start one player who's job it is to score, chances in that position are pretty limited and with such fine margins in all of our games, Bruce doesn't feel comfortable experimenting. Hard to argue with while results are improving and maybe when we get a more solid midfield we can push Ayew up top and let him cause more havoc. He played a big part in winning us the match the other day, and I'm sure he'll win us more before the season is over.
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Another to cash in on, just isn't a team player.
I tend to agree - however, I don't think Bruce is getting the best out of him. He's not a midfield player - he's a forward. He needs games up front, as does McCormack... with Kodjia in good form that's hardly going to happen. Maybe best all round if someone tempts us with a decent bid?
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Poor yesterday, but not helped by the fact that he always seemed to be forty yards from the nearest Villa player whenever he got possession.
The game proved beyond doubt that Jedinak cannot play two games in quick succession. The bloke looked knackered halfway through the warmup.
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Ayew needs to be played in his best position and the one he is most comfortable with - through the centre.
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Poor yesterday, but not helped by the fact that he always seemed to be forty yards from the nearest Villa player whenever he got possession.
The game proved beyond doubt that Jedinak cannot play two games in quick succession. The bloke looked knackered halfway through the warmup.
Exactly the problem, him and Kodjia were like that from about 10 minutes until Ayew went off and we started getting a few more people up the pitch, it's the same problem every game, we spend an hour leaving the 1-2 players with a licence to get forward completely isolated and then the fans get pissed at those players for either giving the ball away or not being involved in the game. This is how Bruce has us set up, it gets results and that's what's important right now but it's doing it at the expense of some of our more talented players.
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I think that (if he is still here) you'll find that the performances of Ayew improve miraculously as soon as we sign a midfield worthy of the name.
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I think that (if he is still here) you'll find that the performances of Ayew improve miraculously as soon as we sign a midfield worthy of the name.
That's 1 solution and is the way I think we'll go. I really hope Bruce finds a couple of central midfielders who are too good for this league in this window.
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It's all very well saying he need to play upfront but so do McCormack and kodjia
If we think we need three in midfield only one of them can
Unless we play a diamond which I'm still keen on seeing us try
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I think that (if he is still here) you'll find that the performances of Ayew improve miraculously as soon as we sign a midfield worthy of the name.
Agree
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I think that (if he is still here) you'll find that the performances of Ayew improve miraculously as soon as we sign a midfield worthy of the name.
Agree
McCormack too. I think they're both hindered by our painfully slow approach play.
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This move to swansea seems unlikely .Ayew and Ghana still in African nations and have a match tomorrow. He'd only arrive back or be free from international duty Monday or Tuesday but only if Ghana lose. Otherwise he's there til after close of transfer window. I'd rather have him stay and not swapped with barrow of Swansea.
On barrow- Adamo Traore is far better than him and he was sold I wouldn't like barrow though he's pacey and would do a job.
There been talking of China and that could be more suited in both price and that their window remains open longer.
Personally I like him to stay as he's naturally talented and skilful and most skillz player at the club if not the league.
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Sadly Skillz, his silky skills have been all too fleeting this season.
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... he's naturally talented and skilful and most skillz player at the club if not the league.
I think you're seeing something here, Footy, that many don't.
He's a decent player but has failed - both in the PL and more recently in the C'ship - to prove his qualities. I'd be happy to see a good fee for him; or a sensible swap deal.
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I like Ayew and thought he was one of a few who gave a fuck last season. However for one reason or another it's not working out for him here and if he left good luck to him and I'm sure we'll do well out the deal too.
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I like Ayew and thought he was one of a few who gave a fuck last season. However for one reason or another it's not working out for him here and if he left good luck to him and I'm sure we'll do well out the deal too.
yep that's where I am too. He'll have my gratitude for going down fighting last season, one of the few that gave a shit. But if he moves to a better situation good for him. I happen to think he'd be better suited to a playing in France or Spain than England.
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Now we have a midfield, I do wonder what effect Ayew might have if he was played in an attacking position.
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Now we have a midfield, I do wonder what effect Ayew might have if he was played in an attacking position.
where though? Maybe just off Kodjia in a shadow striker capacity. But he's not a natural striker and he's not a natural midfielder, nor is he a winger.
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I think we should keep him.
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I think we should keep him.
I'm loathe to let him go, especially in exchange for this full back that nobody seems to rate.
I have to say though, that he has largely disappointed this season.
I can't help but think that there's a good player in there, if used in the right position. The problem for me is that I don't know what that position is.
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I'm loathe to let him go, especially in exchange for this full back that nobody seems to rate.
Eh?
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I'm loathe to let him go, especially in exchange for this full back that nobody seems to rate.
Eh?
Taylor from Swansea. Let's not get our pants pulled down if a club wants him. We don't have to sell so I hope Wyness is good at "doing a Levy". The Gestede sale suggests he may be.
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He's gone from being a focal point for the team and our biggest attacking threat earlier in the campaign to a bit part player under Bruce.
Think it was Bruce's second game where he benched him (only for JA to come on and score the winner against Reading). I like him, and he is better than a squad player in the Championship. If he wants to stay, then great. But if he wants away, that's perfectly understandable.
He didn't cut and run at the first opportunity like Veretout, Gana and co in the summer, so those questioning his application and commitment (not so much on this site, tbf) are way off beam.
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With a good midfield, and if we fail to buy another striker, Ayew needs to stay and be played as front man. Either on the left, or center of a front three (the latter position if Kodjia isn't playing). He's wound me up no end this season, because whilst I appreciate, he's not a left sided midfielder, he's not done enough. But if he stays, I'd like to see him fulfil his potential finally.
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He should playing through the middle as a lone striker but that won't happen.
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With a good midfield, and if we fail to buy another striker, Ayew needs to stay and be played as front man. Either on the left, or center of a front three (the latter position if Kodjia isn't playing). He's wound me up no end this season, because whilst I appreciate, he's not a left sided midfielder, he's not done enough. But if he stays, I'd like to see him fulfil his potential finally.
It depends how you view him as a player.
Looking at his goals return last season, I would have been hoping for 10-15 this. But his game is about more than that.
He draws players to him and creates the space that smarter players could capitalise on, be that late runners from midfield or penalty box forwards. Part of our issue is that our midfield up until now is populated with one paced plodders who like to hold, and our best forward (Kodija) does his best work cutting in from wide.
He's accused of holding onto the ball too long and guilty as charged on that one. But when you know Jedinak is likely to shank a simple pass out of play or to the opposition, you'd probably think twice before releasing it an'all.
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As well as he did at times last season I always thought his best position was as a wide forward in a 4-3-3.
We've been playing that for most of this season so I really am bemused why he hasn't scored more goals or looked a class above at this level, he did that in a terrible team last season.
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His only real success in France was when he was played centrally but he's never been a prolific goal scorer. Based on performances this season he wouldn't be missed.
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His only real success in France was when he was played centrally but he's never been a prolific goal scorer. Based on performances this season he wouldn't be missed.
Whilst I would reluctantly agree with you, I'm concerned that we may be loosing our options from the bench. Despite what has been said about him, Rudy was an option from the bench, as demonstrated against Leeds. Ayew is a great option from the bench and also good cover. Currently, RM cannot be relied upon so we are all of a sudden finding ourselves quite light on attacking options, barring the saving grace that is Gabby.
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I have posted a couple of times reports in the French media that Jordan Ayew had the highest percentage of shots off target in Ligue Un. Perhaps he is just a very bad finisher.
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He should playing through the middle as a lone striker but that won't happen.
I agree.
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We need a target man or two and Ayew is not a goal scorer. We all know he is talented but he has done jack shit this season. Not quite sure what he brings to the team at the moment. Sell him? Perhaps if we can bring the right option in.
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He should playing through the middle as a lone striker but that won't happen.
I agree.
Me too
playing him wide is bollocks
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We need a target man or two and Ayew is not a goal scorer. We all know he is talented but he has done jack shit this season. Not quite sure what he brings to the team at the moment. Sell him? Perhaps if we can bring the right option in.
For every one thing that Ayew does well, he manages to mess up at least five things. Undoubtedly talented, yet utterly frustrating to watch him play.
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He'll always be extremely frustrating, but I think we at least have to take a look at what he can do now that he doesn't (or at least shouldn't, in theory) have to pick up so far away from goal because of a midfield that can't get the ball to him in threatening positions.
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I don't agree he should play lone striker. He's not tall, strong or fast enough
Probably best in a two I think
I wonder if Bruce is heading toward a 442 with recent signings but he very rarely played that at hull
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If he can't fit in following the introduction of the new signings he will be gone in the summer. He's one of a number in the last chance saloon in my opinion.
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We need a target man or two and Ayew is not a goal scorer. We all know he is talented but he has done jack shit this season. Not quite sure what he brings to the team at the moment. Sell him? Perhaps if we can bring the right option in.
For every one thing that Ayew does well, he manages to mess up at least five things. Undoubtedly talented, yet utterly frustrating to watch him play.
As do most attacking players. But the minority of things they do right should end up making a difference at the moment Ayew's 1 in 5 is only a nice turn but rubbish end product.
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He's just scored, decent finish too. Looks like he's staying out there a bit longer.
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Nice goal. Why wouldn't Swansea want him after that. (Until they realise that's probably as good as it gets).
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He has talent but I warm to him less the more he plays. Weird. Oh well, if he goes I hope we get (good) players rather than money.
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Even if he had a pre-emptive medical before the window, surely a current one would be needed prior to a club splashing out millions on him?
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I hope SB has at least 2 forwards lined up if Ayew moves. We look very thin up front. McCormack playing the idiot. Gestede gone. Only Kodjia and Gabby? Even RHM not in contention and Davis has a lot to learn.
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I still reckon Rhodes is nailed on. We're haggling over money and they now have more forwards than they want. We'll settle on a smaller up front but with add ons that will take it somewhere close to what they want. Its how we work out the add ons. No point putting it into promotion as the likelihood is that we'll give them 10m anyway. So, as we don't seemingly want to pay 10 mil then we'll be offering sell on clauses or promotion + caps+ sell on clauses. Boro will no doubt so balls to that and say what they want. Either way he'll come if Bruce wants him enough.
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I still reckon Rhodes is nailed on. We're haggling over money and they now have more forwards than they want. We'll settle on a smaller up front but with add ons that will take it somewhere close to what they want. Its how we work out the add ons. No point putting it into promotion as the likelihood is that we'll give them 10m anyway. So, as we don't seemingly want to pay 10 mil then we'll be offering sell on clauses or promotion + caps+ sell on clauses. Boro will no doubt so balls to that and say what they want. Either way he'll come if Bruce wants him enough.
I hope you're right. We need two strikers in if Ayew leaves. Rhodes and Akpom would be great...
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I haven't been paying attention, is Akpom the one who was on loan at Hull from Arsenal? Are we signing him? Has he ever scored a goal?
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I think Chuba Akpom would be as useful as Bamford..........i.e. not at all useful to our quest.
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that's the happiest he has ever looked !
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I think we can cope with Ayew leaving although I'd have liked to have seen him given a run of games in a position up front. However, talk of straight swap with Taylor sound ridiculous.
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that's the happiest he has ever looked !
He smiled with a grimace.
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I think we can cope with Ayew leaving although I'd have liked to have seen him given a run of games in a position up front. However, talk of straight swap with Taylor sound ridiculous.
Cope with Kodjia and Gabby for the rest of the season? I'd like to see Ayew play centrally with a creative midfield for once supporting him. We'll probably never know...
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I think we can cope with Ayew leaving although I'd have liked to have seen him given a run of games in a position up front. However, talk of straight swap with Taylor sound ridiculous.
Cope with Kodjia and Gabby for the rest of the season? I'd like to see Ayew play centrally with a creative midfield for once supporting him. We'll probably never know...
I can't and won't cope. Its disastrous. He's the best skills player in this squad if not the league . James Chester said without hesitation ayew most skillfull. He comes from a footballing family . My brother arsenal fan would have him in his club as he am an arsenal type player.
And to swap him for Neil Taylor left back is scandal.
I'll tell you now if ayew goes he 'll score at least 7 goals by may.
I 100% say he should stay and would have him as support striker.
There's a great chance with these new creative midfielders for Jordan ayew to be with quality players.
I never forget that he tried so hard last season and was proud player . He never gave up and was unfairly having to defend and things where attacking is his forte.
This season he's been unlucky and like how under Sherwood was nt fancied he's not seemingly under Bruce.
Good luck to him and I think he's ace! A premier league player and hopefully a afcon winner.
Not happy with situation-fuming !
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Meh.
Would rather have one goal in two no skill Jordan Rhodes than skillful creates nothing doesn't score mardy boots Ayew.
Taylor is a better defender than Amavi, and will improve the team. Amavi might make a decent winger, and this allows us to try him there.
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I think we can cope with Ayew leaving although I'd have liked to have seen him given a run of games in a position up front. However, talk of straight swap with Taylor sound ridiculous.
I agree .
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Do not swap this guy for a donkey full back.
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Crazy to offload Ayew! He's got MOTM for Ghana and scored. He'll comeback match fit - then sold to Swansea. Much rather he partnered Kodjia with the new midfield behind them. Leaves the forward options down to the bare bones.
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I think we can cope with Ayew leaving although I'd have liked to have seen him given a run of games in a position up front. However, talk of straight swap with Taylor sound ridiculous.
I agree .
Totally agree as well, forwards are always more expensive than defenders anyway!
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Apparently its not a straight swap deal so plenty of cash coming our way towards a striker that actually scores goals would be a good bit of business hopefully.
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There's little wonder that Ayew hasn't been performing at the world's most dysfunctional football club. Fix it and keep him.
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If we kept all the players that aren't performing because of someone elses lack of quality rather than their own ineffectiveness we'd be relegated again come May
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There's little wonder that Ayew hasn't been performing at the world's most dysfunctional football club. Fix it and keep him.
Agree. We should only contemplate letting him go IF there's a replacement already signed up. We made the same mistake letting Gestede go at the start of January and still haven't replaced him. Even Barnsley made sure a replacement was brought in before releasing Hourihane. All this going at the same time as McCormack's antics! The midfield finally looks strong, but the forward options look weak with no real strength in depth if Ayew goes.
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There's little wonder that Ayew hasn't been performing at the world's most dysfunctional football club. Fix it and keep him.
Agree. We should only contemplate letting him go IF there's a replacement already signed up. We made the same mistake letting Gestede go at the start of January and still haven't replaced him. Even Barnsley made sure a replacement was brought in before releasing Hourihane. All this going at the same time as McCormack's antics! The midfield finally looks strong, but the forward options look weak with no real strength in depth if Ayew goes.
Spot on.
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There's little wonder that Ayew hasn't been performing at the world's most dysfunctional football club. Fix it and keep him.
Agree. We should only contemplate letting him go IF there's a replacement already signed up. We made the same mistake letting Gestede go at the start of January and still haven't replaced him. Even Barnsley made sure a replacement was brought in before releasing Hourihane. All this going at the same time as McCormack's antics! The midfield finally looks strong, but the forward options look weak with no real strength in depth if Ayew goes.
Spot on.
Agreed also. Our best and second best strikers are Kodjia and Ayew. If we sell Ayew and don't replace him, then Kodjia being out with an injury would leave us choosing between Agbonlahor and McCormack which see us finishing the season much closer to the bottom than the top. I wouldn't be totally averse to getting Rhodes now that we've sorted the midfield, because he looks like the sort of flat track bully who scores a fair few in the Championship, but who you then sell on if and when you get up.
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I had high hopes for Ayew this season but ultimately he's an attacker that scored 4 league goals in 2016. We do need another attacker though if he goes.
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I had high hopes for Ayew this season but ultimately he's an attacker that scored 4 league goals in 2016. We do need another attacker though if he goes.
He's suffered partly due to the poor midfield. Now we've got a decent midfield at last it appears he's moving! We need two strikers as McCormack doesn't look an option. Worrying that we've got to this point in January with no striker signed.
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It' s looking like Ayew is gone. Xia posting it's 95% done.
I have mixed feelings. Ayew is gifted and hard working-Someone (I think it was Gestede) stated recently that Ayew was the most skillful player at the club.
It hasn't worked for him this season and his decision making has been poor.
I do worry, as others have alluded to-To lose Ayew and also McCormack suddenly sees us having a fantastic choice up front, to having very little.
Perhaps this is a pointer towards a 5 man midfield? I hope not bu currently, it stands a chance. Another 36 hours or so and we'll have a better idea.
I'm overall happy with this window, although slightly disappointed with this deal.
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It' s looking like Ayew is gone. Xia posting it's 95% done.
I have mixed feelings. Ayew is gifted and hard working-Someone (I think it was Gestede) stated recently that Ayew was the most skillful player at the club.
It hasn't worked for him this season and his decision making has been poor.
I do worry, as others have alluded to-To lose Ayew and also McCormack suddenly sees us having a fantastic choice up front, to having very little.
Perhaps this is a pointer towards a 5 man midfield? I hope not bu currently, it stands a chance. Another 36 hours or so and we'll have a better idea.
I'm overall happy with this window, although slightly disappointed with this deal.
The forward options are likely to be Gabby and Kodjia??
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I like him but there has been a few whispers of him not being totally committed. If that's the case and we're going to get Taylor and Rhodes instead I'd be happy enough with that.
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It would be pretty galling to go from having loads of strikers but no midfielders to supply them to having loads of midfielders with no strikers to supply. But I have a lot more faith these days that the people in charge know what they're doing.
I like Ayew, lots of skill, but ultimately we've only seen the odd glimpse of what he's capable of.
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Ayew seems to be very much like Gestede and Amavi in that they are much better players when not in the team. We are talking about Ayew being our saviour for the rest of the season when he has done little to suggest that would be the case all season.
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Let him go, totally overrated. His sending off at West Ham, the whole manner of it, when we were so desperate for a result, was a disgrace,
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You can say that about any player who are not in the team, suddenly they are described as the players that should be playing (for instance any sub on a match day after we have lost)
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He never looked happy here, mind you, he probably never looked happy in his own house....ever.
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I'm mixed about this. I think he's got a lot of ability, but I'm disappointed he hasn't come close to showing it.
Two league goals is very poor and its not a case of he saying he could have had more if... as I struggle to recall him being involved in much else.
I'm not keen on their full back at all. Would prefer straight cash.
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Let him go, totally overrated. His sending off at West Ham, the whole manner of it, when we were so desperate for a result, was a disgrace,
he was the only one who played like he gave a fuck in our relegation season
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Let him go, totally overrated. His sending off at West Ham, the whole manner of it, when we were so desperate for a result, was a disgrace,
he was the only one who played like he gave a fuck in our relegation season
True. I quite like Ayew, but have no idea where his best position is. And he never seems to be in any sort of form...
I'm not sure what we should do with him to be honest.
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I like him but there has been a few whispers of him not being totally committed. If that's the case and we're going to get Taylor and Rhodes instead I'd be happy enough with that.
Me too. SB has to make the tough decisions if he is to build a team that has the required ingredients to push-on. If Ayew's departure means that the manager believes he will have different - and hopefully better - options available to him, then so be it. History will decree whether he chose wisely or otherwise.
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Let him go, totally overrated. His sending off at West Ham, the whole manner of it, when we were so desperate for a result, was a disgrace,
he was the only one who played like he gave a fuck in our relegation season
I wouldn't really disagree with that.
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Swansea's kit man better have some massively oversized shorts waiting for him.
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I don't mind Ayew going - AS LONG AS ANOTHER PLAYER IS SIGNED FIRST! We've gone from six options to two!
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I like Ayew, but if we think we can strengthen while replacing him I'll trust in the Board to deliver. They haven't let us down so far. I never gave a shit about his alleged "sulky" demeanour so will wish him well if he leaves. At least until he signs for some horrible club. As others have said, he was one of very few who gave his all last season.
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I don't mind Ayew going - AS LONG AS ANOTHER PLAYER IS SIGNED FIRST! We've gone from six options to two!
What four have ''gone''? Gestede/RHM/BigMac/Ayew?
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I had high hopes for Ayew this season but ultimately he's an attacker that scored 4 league goals in 2016. We do need another attacker though if he goes.
The real problem is that we still need a proper striker even if he stays - that's why he's surplus to requirements.
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There is a player there but he's largely flattered to deceive. I'm not too concerned about him going, although I would like another option up front. My concern is Neil Taylor. I don't rate him at all. Are we buying him as second choice or are we letting Amavi go? Either way, I'd rather the cash if Swansea want him.
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Bruce wasn't going to get a tune out of him. At this stage, with all of these signings being the team Bruce built, I'll shrug my shoulders and say best of luck to him. If he turns out to be amazing at a club like Swansea then I'd be surprised.
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Bruce didn't fancy Ayew at all so not surprised he is going.
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I had high hopes for Ayew this season but ultimately he's an attacker that scored 4 league goals in 2016. We do need another attacker though if he goes.
Agreed he should be owning this division really. Threatens to be a good player from time to time but it was apparent early on that Bruce wasn't a fan.
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Another one who flatters to deceive, can't say as I'll miss him, remembered more for West Ham sending off than any particular goal or game.
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He scored a few goals. I can't really see why you'd choose to remember the sending off more than any of them, but each to their own.
He's goal on a minging day at Newcastle was probably his best.
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I think he could be a great player, just needs a manager that can get the best out of him and play him in within a team set up, obviously Bruce isn't that man
I wouldn't be surprised if he goes to Swansea and goes straight into the first 11 and stays there looking a good premiership player, that's where I see him in the Prem doing well
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Another one who flatters to deceive, can't say as I'll miss him, remembered more for West Ham sending off than any particular goal or game.
Spot on Jon,
It's all water under the bridge now, but that sending off did come at a key time a year or so.
Just not enough of a team player for me - just hope SB can spend the cash wisely. UTV
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Another one who flatters to deceive, can't say as I'll miss him, remembered more for West Ham sending off than any particular goal or game.
Spot on Jon,
It's all water under the bridge now, but that sending off did come at a key time a year or so.
Just not enough of a team player for me - just hope SB can spend the cash wisely. UTV
Agree, how many matches did we win when he started. He never seemed to fit in imo
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seen him play a lot this season and he's contributed very little
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I've not been around much last few days, is this confirmed?
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Not on the official site but the swapsie fir cash and Taylor is done.
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Aston Villa Football Club is delighted to announce the signing of Neil Taylor from Swansea City.
The 27-year-old Wales international has signed a four-and-a-half-year contract and arrives at Villa Park for an undisclosed fee and as part of a deal that sees Jordan Ayew move in the opposite direction.
Taylor spent time in the academy at Manchester City and moved to Wrexham before joining Swansea in 2010.
At international level, Taylor was part of the Wales side that reached the semi-final of Euro 2016 in the summer and netted his first goal for his country against Russia during the group stage.
He said: “I loved my time at Swansea but I'm looking forward to this new challenge in my career.
"You only have to look at the facilities, the stadium and the fanbase to know that this is a huge club that deserves to be in the Premier League.
"I spoke to James Chester before the move and he had nothing but good things to say about the club so I'm looking forward to getting started."
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A shame, I expected far more from him this season.
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Big shorts, miserable face, always tried to beat another player when a simple pass was on, looked like he cared a bit last season amongst lots who didn't. Ultimately never for filled his obvious talent with us. Can't say I blame him for going but file under meh!
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Maybe its my mood but I have the feeling he will do well there.
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Sulky, flattered to decieve. Maybe a better coach will get the best out of him.
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That's our problem. The only good coach we seem to have is the one that takes the team to games.
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Wanted him to do well, but he was consistently shite, greedy, not many assists and hardly any goals. Best of luck living in your brothers shadow at Swansea.
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Wanted him to do well, but he was consistently shite, greedy, not many assists and hardly any goals. Best of luck living in your brothers shadow at Swansea.
How is the shadow of Andre going to cover him from east london?
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You know exactly what I meant...no need to get pedantic.
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Really had high hopes for him when he came in. Other than rare flashes of brilliance, he's been a complete let down. I couldn't give less of a f*ck whether he smiles or not, he just didn't do the job we bought him for. Waste of money - Bye.
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Not a team player, won't miss him.......never saw him.......
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He can play, but he'll very rarely play in a winning team.
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Not a team player. Not upset he's gone. We only won 1 game in which he scored (Reading away). Even Gabby has managed that over the same period (Norwich home). His time with us just fizzled out, just like his general play.
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Is it my inability to find it, or is there actually nothing on the official site about this transfer of Ayew ( except the Taylor part|)
If so, I find that not only strange but a bit "off ", even though I didn't like him. He scored some important points for us.
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Is it my inability to find it, or is there actually nothing on the official site about this transfer of Ayew ( except the Taylor part|)
If so, I find that not only strange but a bit "off ", even though I didn't like him. He scored some important points for us.
Here[/ur] you go Bob. Scroll down a bit. (https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial?lang=en)
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Thanks Dave. I don't do Twitter, but at least he's been noted absent on that platform. A little appreciation was due, though, as I say, I won't miss him but like all others who go away, I will be watching their progress in another squad.
Still fairly sure there's nothing like that on the PC website.
Ta again for your response.
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Thanks Dave. I don't do Twitter, but at least he's been noted absent on that platform. A little appreciation was due, though, as I say, I won't miss him but like all others who go away, I will be watching their progress in another squad.
Still fairly sure there's nothing like that on the PC website.
Ta again for your response.
Appreciating Ayew? You reckon. Moody face, dribbling down dark alleys, pub player in my view. He will be playing in some Belgian or Dutch league within 2 years
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I always got the impression he was living on his brothers reputation. Tarrahhhhh.
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That's our problem. The only good coach we seem to have is the one that takes the team to games.
And I wish that one was just as incompetent as the others. We'd have been better stuck in a service station tuesday. Gabby would have loved that.
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I always got the impression he was living on his brothers reputation. Tarrahhhhh.
I'd say that if he's living on the reputation of a family member then it's more likely to be his father's.
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He did a lot of work off the ball that went un-noticed. As a forward player though, he was very frustrating to watch.
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All fart.
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He obviously has a lot of ability but never seemed able to channel it to the best effect for the team. A bit like Savo when he first arrived, a bit head down and unaware of the bigger picture around him, so didn't make the right decisions very often. A good coach might change that.
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Ayew, 26, will depart alongside brother Andre Ayew, who completed a loan to Fenerbahce last week.
Sources close to Ayew are saying he will leave the Liberty Stadium by the close of the transfer window on 9 August.
Put a bet on Palace going down if that’s where he ends up as rumoured. Got a very high opinion of himself has our Jordan.
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Palace? Can you imagine a grumpier, moodier bench than him and Benteke..ugh. I'd rather sit with Xia.
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Gone but never forg... oh, no. Just forgotten.
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Put a bet on Palace going down if that’s where he ends up as rumoured. Got a very high opinion of himself has our Jordan.
I reckon if I were a professional footballer thrown into that Sherwood/ Lescott / Richards shambles I'd probably think that these twats were beneath me as well.
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Gone but never forg... oh, no. Just forgotten.
The only thing I can will remember is that he had a marginally sulkier face than me 13 yr old grandson 😁
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Palace? Can you imagine a grumpier, moodier bench than him and Benteke..ugh. I'd rather sit with Xia.
Ironically I think those two would've worked very well as a combination if he'd turned up here when Benteke was at the club. We needed a number 10 around 2013 but instead we stuck with Gabby and Wiemann alongside him and that got found out in time.
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I'd like to bring him back. If only to annoy the idiots who judge footballers' ability based on their facial expressions.
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I wouldn't. He was disappointing in the Championship. I thought he'd show a great deal down here but alas, he was actually worse.
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He was disappointing but he was also got chucked out onto the wing because we tried to play McCormack, Kodjia and Gestede, sometimes all at once.
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I'd like to bring him back. If only to annoy the idiots who judge footballers' ability based on their facial expressions.
I loved Savo's facial expression every time he missed an open goal.
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I didn't see him in the PL but thought he looked awful in the Championship. Petulant doesn't come close.
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He was one of the few that came out of the season when we were relegated with any credit. His frustrations came to a head though in that match at West Ham.
I think in the Championship he reacted badly to Gueye and Veretout moving on and the handling of Amavi by Bruce.
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Well he scored a few in the PL I'd admit but after agitating for a move here to the point of threatening to go on strike, he generally acted in a very surly, petulant way once relegated. And he seems to be doing the same to Swansea..
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Relegation specialist. If the teams you play for keep ending up in the Championship, maybe that's your level.
Nowhere near as good as he seems to think he is.
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A player that flatters to deceive, looks good in patches but after 3 years in England and approx 100 league games he's only scored 17 league goals.
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He was one of the few that came out of the season when we were relegated with any credit. His frustrations came to a head though in that match at West Ham.
I think in the Championship he reacted badly to Gueye and Veretout moving on and the handling of Amavi by Bruce.
he was the only player who could be arsed in many games in that period
he let his temperament get the better of him that night at West Ham i was 5 ft away in with the WH fans no one else gave a toss at least he tried
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Tosser (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45102447)
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Tosser (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45102447)
He did the same to force his move to us if I recall....
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Tosser (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45102447)
Seems to be a regular occurrence nowadays, I wonder if he'll be seen in a car park at a club on deadline day.
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Presumably he's not being paid?
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Ayew has done this refusing to train to engineer a move thing before, has he not?
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Complete and utter wanker. I hope his career falls in.
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I'd love it, love it, if the clubs supposedly interested in him contacted his agent and said "we'll pass thanks, we are no longer interested in a player that behaves so unprofessionally."
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Never liked him, wanker.
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Where do the club stand legally with regards to stopping his wages or even suspending him? Surely he's not fulfilling his contract.
Also, never understood why the buying club would continue their interest in a player who can behave like that. Wouldn't want him anywhere near my club however good he is.
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Where do the club stand legally with regards to stopping his wages or even suspending him? Surely he's not fulfilling his contract.
Also, never understood why the buying club would continue their interest in a player who can behave like that. Wouldn't want him anywhere near my club however good he is.
I don't disagree with you but, this is professional football we're talking about, lots of players/agents with low standards and a serious ignorance of ethics.
Then, we see the occasional opposite as displayed in our own club by both Alan Hutton and James Chester. Both could have moved, on I would imagine improved terms, but chose to stay.
I like to believe that there are other players at other clubs that show the same level of loyalty it's just that we don't always get to hear about them, not newsworthy enough.
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Ayew's a hubristic nutsack and I hope Courtois gets shafted for going on strike too.
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I agree, certainly did not pull up any trees at Swansea and is now too good for them.
I also have to smile at Pogba wanting out from the theatre of dreams, not going on strike but telling his team mates he wants out. It is the imagined reaction from their fans that has me smiling.
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He was shit for us and his CV now has two relegations on it. Utter tosser.
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Don't know why people are acting high and mighty here, shit behaviour but he did it to get his move to us from Lorient and nobody here gave much of a toss about it back then.
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Ayew's a hubristic nutsack and I hope Courtois gets shafted for going on strike too.
“Hubristic nutsack” 10/10
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For me he was decent and clearly talented and scored goals despite struggles.
And watching him Swansea last season he did the same.
Twice in failing teams he's performed and has shown some desire.
Yes he's also shown attitude but I think boths he's shown some fight so I tend to stick up for him as he did constantly give something for opposition's to think about despite being in poor teams at villa and Swansea.
Good luck to him I say and hope he finds a club where he isn't struggling . It's a shame he has the attitude to do these strike things but for people to call him names (like anyone and everyone does in football?!) Just seems crazy and that's what i don't get a bout football followers
The insistence of being rude about individuals as some may be like this generally but majority would not find it acceptable to be called or call people that in day to day life
I get we are in a society and not just football where we amplifier how we judge both negatively and positively about situations and people.
Comments passed are figurative but upon reading about Ayew how would we if in situation do things . Maybe he's been forced into it as he's such a good player and wants to move on.
Grealish would be called the same if he did strike which he so won't but it's obviously a reflection on his attitude of advisers . I think calling him a tosser though is silly.
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He was shit for us and his CV now has two relegations on it. Utter tosser.
Harsh. I thought he was one of very few who came out of that disastrous season with any credit.
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He was shit for us and his CV now has two relegations on it. Utter tosser.
Harsh. I thought he was one of very few who came out of that disastrous season with any credit.
Exactly if he was so poo he would have never had any moves. His brother is a footballer as was his dad. He has pedigree and actually in right team and squad he do well.
Leeds bielsa would with him well. As would Guardiola or Mark Hughes - shaquri or David moyes arnautovic. Zaha palace and Hodgson.
Needs a right fit. I imagine Potter wouldn't know how to deal with someone like him so easier to move on .
I would put him below these but a very capable footballer who would be very good in a team challenging for Europe not relegation.
Paul Clement would have him at Reading I'm sure but ayew needs to go to a different direction.
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And if those who seemed to think ayew was no good ( which in my opinion he did okay and welll enough considering situation apart from creswell incident) then I can't think what they make of traore!
I also feel and having heard conditions sherwood mentioned and situation Traore will be a better is actually an outstanding talent which needs fine tuning .
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they both need fine tuning to turn them into footballers
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He was shit for us and his CV now has two relegations on it. Utter tosser.
Harsh. I thought he was one of very few who came out of that disastrous season with any credit.
Yep, agree with that. At least he seemed to give a fuck when he played for us and actually played quite well for the most part.
I don't like his methods for forcing moves though, shows a lack of class and a very selfish attitude.
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He looked like a pig with a smacked arse every time I saw him when we first dropped down